The original Black Europeans might have survived the invasion of the Asian Whites, about 6000 years ago; still looking Black. This article mentions Meritaten and 1350BC.
Looking at this particular afrocentric version of Meritaten in the Louvre I wondered if Egypt was ruled by a Black elite of mostly Classical African types? Practicing extreme intermarriage?
Carla Nayland, on her fascinating literary blog, has a review of a book which sounds very intriguing. Kingdom of the Ark by Lorraine Evans is a work of narrative non-fiction, putting forward the theory that refugees from Ancient Egypt settled in Britain and/or Ireland in the middle of the Bronze Age, under the leadership of Meritaten, eldest daughter of the ‘Heretic Pharaoh’ Akhenaten. To quote:
A necklace of amber, jet and faience beads was found with a secondary Bronze Age burial of a young man in a Neolithic burial mound at Tara in Ireland, excavated in 1955 and carbon-dated to 1350 BC. The faience beads were similar to those in the tomb of Tutankhamun, which dates to about the same period. (Note: faience is a ceramic, often characterised by a glossy blue glaze resembling precious stones such as turquoise or lapis lazuli). A second, similar, necklace was found in a Bronze Age burial mound in Devon in 1889. As the faience beads are similar to those found in Egypt at the same period, the author suggests that the burials may have been high-ranking Egyptians. POSTED BY ELENA MARIA VIDAL
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A review by steerpyke on Kingdom of the Ark - Lorraine Evans August 3rd, 2004
Its amazing the amount of historical discoveries that, instead of setting the academic world on fire, are covered up because they dont fit into current thinking. Lorraine Evans begins here book with just two such incidences. Two apparently unrelated discoveries of the inter war period set Kingdom of the Ark off into uncharted territory and the conclusions will astound you. During the excavations at Tara, the burial place of ancient Irish kings, a bronze age burial was descovered in a tomb that was otherwise Neolithic, therefore much older. One of the most important finds was of a faience bead necklace. Faience is a type of fired sand paste, which when treated with certain glazes, creates a marvellous blue or green affect. The problem was these items are common to the mediterranean but unknown to the British Isles at that time. The design and materials pointed to a probably Egyptian origin around 1300BC. The conclusion at the time is that it was traded through Europe until it found its way to Ireland.
The second incident was on the banks of the Humber where two local brothers excavated planks of wood from what seemed to be Viking ships preserved in the mud. The design, size, techniques and even the carbon dating associated with the find again pointed to a much earlier date, and an Egyptain origin. This was clearly the wrong conclusion, and even those eminant professors who were currently embracing the new scientific tecniques coming into play, decided to sweep this one under the table, as it was too difficult a find to easily explain. One the back of these two events, Evans research uncovered the story of an Egyptians princess traveling to Britain, a story that was tracable through thousands of years of literature. Once you accept the fact the Egyptains could have made such a journey the only question is why would they. Contrary to most held opinions, Egyptain boats were a lot more seaworthy than boats that were to come later, and the only reason they didnt come this way was that there was nothing this far out that they needed. The story revolves around Scota, not a real name but one that associates the person with the Scotti tribe of Ireland who eventually invaded Scotland, named after them.
To say much more would be to give the game away, but those who know there ancient Egypt, may not be too surprised to find the mysterious and heretical Akhenaten is at the centre. The unweaving of the story relies on some unthinking on the part of the reader, in regard to accepted history, but the joy of any book of this nature is the challenge to the established ideas, boundaries are only there to be stepped over. The archaeological and historical detective work is easy to follow and is backed up by sources and stages of research used. Some of the conclusions require a leap of faith as it were but if you cant trust a career Egyptologist to take care of you through such a journey, who can you trust. One of the most amazing aspects of the story is the wall of dis-information and stonewalling that Evans was up against from those whose job it is to further knowledge, the libraries, museums and universities. Know one likes to see there Ivory Tower fall but surely the advancement of the facts is more important than the comfortable positions of the establishment Dons. Its almost as if they knew one day someone would try to find out this awkward little secret and they were just springing well thought out defense mechanisms.
Despite all of this Evans writes a compelling story,one that could push accepted history off the beaten track, but then isnt that how we advance our knowledge of the world we inhabit?
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Yep, there are European tales of Egyptians even in Scotland. Nothin new.
Ausar once even graciously linked us to a Yahoo group that had pictures of black Georgians (an alleged remnant from the legendary Senruset invasion of Asia and Europe).
Posted By: Jerod <Send E-Mail> Date: Wednesday, 16 October 2002, at 2:24 p.m.
I've been reading Exiled Egyptians by Moustafa Gadalla. In it, he suggests that many ancient Egyptians fled into different regions of Africa after the countless invasions, and brought their traditions to these places. He cites explosions in foreign populations in many of these areas (like the Sudan and West Africa), followed by many great technological advances around the time many Egyptians fled Egypt. He noted that the academic community does not accept that these foreigners were Egyptians, even though there are strong similarities with our ancient friends, such as a matrilinial society, agricultural advances, extreme wealth and the technology to support large populations. It is a very interesting read.
One thing that I'm particularly curious about right now is Gadalla's claim that Ancient Egyptian culture is still alive today in Egypt. He cites historic evidence that the Egyptians did not willingly accept the ways of their foreign invaders (Greek, Roman, Muslim etc) and revolted on a regular basis. These revolts were only successfully suppressed by the Muslims. As a result, many Egyptians basically pretended to adopt Islamic ways and, through secret societies, retained their ancient culture. He says that we need only too look at the people in remote areas of Egypt where Muslim influence wasn't as strong to find traces of the ancient language, culture, etc.
I've been trying to find groups of people claiming to be descended from Pharaonic Egpyt. So far I've found only one group in Europe claiming to be descended from ancient Egypt. They claim to be the descendants of Egyptians sent on a mining mission of a few thousand people from Egypt to Europe over 3000 years ago.
I wonder if anyone has ever done any research on modern Egyptian (or anywhere else for that matter) people that may have retained traces of the Pharaonic past. Does anyone have any more info on this topic?
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quote:Originally posted by Alive-(What Box): Yep, there are European tales of Egyptians even in Scotland. Nothin new.
Ausar once even graciously linked us to a Yahoo group that had pictures of black Georgians (an alleged remnant from the legendary Senruset invasion of Asia and Europe).
oh, and notice no Blogs to discrdit this non sense...no anti Irishcentric books...lol. Oh an I heard of the Scots claiming origin from an egyptian princess lol...Please the Egyptians were civilized people..lol.
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This must be Hore's site which make claims to everyone from Queen Hatshepsut to Maat (Ma'at) - Mother of Thoth.
Ahmose Nefertari - the wife of Ahmose I. She is shown with black skin for symbolic reasons and not because she was naturally black. The color was the symbol of Egypt or Khem the "black land." The color symbolized the fertility and antiquity of the land. Black was also the color associated with Amen, the chief god worshipped by the pharaohs of this era. Amun or Amen was the hidden or invisible one. Nefertari was entitled "Second Prophet of Amen." The idea of blackness was adopted by the Masons. One of the pillars of the temple of Solomon (Sol Amen) was black in color. Nefertari's name contains the term tari, which is distinctly Irish.Posts: 3595 | From: Moved To Mars. Waiting with shotgun | Registered: Dec 2006
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quote:Originally posted by Alive-(What Box): Yep, there are European tales of Egyptians even in Scotland. Nothin new.
Ausar once even graciously linked us to a Yahoo group that had pictures of black Georgians (an alleged remnant from the legendary Senruset invasion of Asia and Europe).
oh, and notice no Blogs to discrdit this non sense...no anti Irishcentric books...lol. Oh an I heard of the Scots claiming origin from an egyptian princess lol...Please the Egyptians were civilized people..lol.
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Quote: One of the most amazing aspects of the story is the wall of dis-information and stonewalling that Evans was up against from those whose job it is to further knowledge, the libraries, museums and universities. Know one likes to see there Ivory Tower fall but surely the advancement of the facts is more important than the comfortable positions of the establishment Dons. Its almost as if they knew one day someone would try to find out this awkward little secret and they were just springing well thought out defense mechanisms.
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Quote: Contrary to most held opinions, Egyptain boats were a lot more seaworthy than boats that were to come later, and the only reason they didnt come this way was that there was nothing this far out that they needed.
True about Egyptian Ship technology, false about nothing there that Egyptians wanted. Egyptians, like the Minoans and probably others, wanted British TIN for making Bronze.
Note; the Minoan TIN trade with Britain is well known, I do not know of a similar Egyptian tin trade. But logically, after the White Invasion destroyed the Minoan trade, even if Egypt didn't already have a tin trade with Britain, it would have had to start one.
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Van Sertima writes in the African Journal about Egyptian tin-colonies in Spain.
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We frequently read how in west Europe ‘heathen’ images, places of worship and buildings were destroyed without actually knowing what images or religious believes they are talking about. Perhaps there is always a danger that good Christian people will take interest in ‘heathen’ ideas, which of course would be most dreadful. I was surprised to read that the inventions of Leonardo Da Vinci were only discovered/ appreciated in the late 1800’s. His portrait was suitably whitened. My take is that after the French Revolution anything which had to do with Renaissance, Enlightenment, Rationality and black Europeans came into disrepute. The Romantical Era was all about intuition, feelings, emotions and intangible things like race and whites being at the top of the evolutionary ladder.
So if the Irish or Scots did not show high culture in later times, it might be because they were Christianised and everything of worth was shattered to a million pieces.
The Buddhas of Bamiyan The two colossal statues of Buddha carved into the sandstone cliffs of Bamiyan, Afghanistan, were demolished by the Taleban on March 2001. The Taleban people was a fundamentalist Islamic militia that has governed most of Aghanistan from 1996 to December 2001. Against international protests and appeals, the supreme Taleban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar ordered their destruction as part of a campaign to rid the land of all un-Islamic graven images. The leader issued an edict declaring the statues (and therefore the ancient Buddhas) as insulting to Islam. This means that all idolatrous images of humans and animals and all those idols considered by them to be an insult to Islam had to be destroyed. Taleban leader rejected also a proposal to build a concrete wall in front of the two Buddhas statues instead of their destruction.
The explosion of one of the Buddha statue (Courtesy of CNN) By March 12, 2001, these giant Buddhas have been destroyed by the use of mortars, dynamite, tanks, anti-aircraft weapons and rockets. Now they are nothing but piles of sandstone rubble and clay plaster (see images below). The Taleban destroyed also other buddhist images in Afghanistan, such as ancient statues and relief carvings. The Buddhist, the world community and UNESCO, failed to convince the Talebans to leave such artifacts and everybody expressed horror at the Buddhas' destruction. And many Mullahs in Islamic countries condemned Taleban's operations as wrong-headed and damaging to the image of Islam.
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Quote: Ancient Egyptian culture still alive today?
Posted By: Jerod <Send E-Mail> Date: Wednesday, 16 October 2002, at 2:24 p.m.
I've been reading Exiled Egyptians by Moustafa Gadalla. In it, he suggests that many ancient Egyptians fled into different regions of Africa after the countless invasions, and brought their traditions to these places. He cites explosions in foreign populations in many of these areas (like the Sudan and West Africa), followed by many great technological advances around the time many Egyptians fled Egypt. He noted that the academic community does not accept that these foreigners were Egyptians, even though there are strong similarities with our ancient friends, such as a matrilineal society, agricultural advances, extreme wealth and the technology to support large populations. It is a very interesting read.
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I was interested in the quote above: similarities with our ancient friends, such as a matrilineal society. I don’t recall any evidence of AE being a matrilineal society, quite the contrary; it appears Patrilineal in every way, including using higher status females (including sisters) to gain creditability. From the fourth dynasty reign of Snefru we find Pharaohs marrying their sisters. And from the very first dynasty, we find Aha, the son of Narmer, entering into a dynastic marriage with a Queen or Princess from the north.
1st. Dynasty
To consolidate his reign over the kingdom of the North, Aha married Neithotep (Whose name means “lady who symbolizes the goddess Neith”).
4th. Dynasty
Snefru Snefru was almost certainly married to Hetepheres I, who would have been at least his half sister, probably by a more senior queen, in order to legitimize his rule. She was the mother of his son, Khufu who became Egypt's best-known pyramid builder, responsible for the Great Pyramid at Giza.
Djedefre We know of two of Djedefre's wives, who were apparently named Hetepheres II, (his sister), and Khentetenka. He was believed to have possibly usurped the throne by murdering his older half brother, Kauab. As the son of a more prominent Egyptian queen, Kauab (Kawab) would probably have had a better claim to the throne than Djedefre. Interestingly, Hetepheres II, Djedefre's queen, was apparently married to Kauab before his murder. In turn, it was believed that Khafre, Djedefre's younger half brother by Khufu and successor, may have murdered him, perhaps out of revenge.
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Welcome back. You usually loose interest in an old thread, but this time you revisited.
It’s really strange that with all this evidence around that these white supremacists still believe in what it is they believe. I believe these early blacks lived on till the 19th century.
Do you have some ideas about this new thread of mine?
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