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The Pope, the Euro world's biggest witch doctor and master of white magic just descended on Africa, first in Cameroon then now in Angola. This witch doctor named Bendict and also known as Pope wafted into Cameroon to prattle on stupidly about AIDS and condoms. He then flew on to Angola, perhaps the most corrupt country in Africa, now under the corrupt aegis of the MPLA--whom misguided and ignorant leftists believed to be the salvation for Angola--to prattle on about coruption. This silly man--all decked out with a faux Egyptian crown--lives in Italy and doesn't know that Italy is more corrupt than any African government will ever be.
The whole thing is a big farce but many Africans are naive about this--so they rush out to see the pale-faced white man, who claims to be "the vicar of Christ".
Just so dissapointing that the black man's spiritual life has been hijacked by 2 aliens--Christ and Mohammmed--who dictate to the black man's very core being--even to the point of warfare and death. Sadly, the same applies to the material life of the African/blackman: his material life has laready been prescribed my Adam Smith, Karl Marx and arch capitalist Milton Friedman.
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quote:The Pope, the Euro world's biggest witch doctor and master of white magic just descended on Africa, first in Cameroon then now in Angola. This witch doctor named Bendict and also known as Pope wafted into Cameroon to prattle on stupidly about AIDS and condoms. He then flew on to Angola, perhaps the most corrupt country in Africa, now under the corrupt aegis of the MPLA--whom misguided and ignorant leftists believed to be the salvation for Angola--to prattle on about coruption. This silly man--all decked out with a faux Egyptian crown--lives in Italy and doesn't know that Italy is more corrupt than any African government will ever be.
The whole thing is a big farce but many Africans are naive about this--so they rush out to see the pale-faced white man, who claims to be "the vicar of Christ".
Just so dissapointing that the black man's spiritual life has been hijacked by 2 aliens--Christ and Mohammmed--who dictate to the black man's very core being--even to the point of warfare and death. Sadly, the same applies to the material life of the African/blackman: his material life has laready been prescribed my Adam Smith, Karl Marx and arch capitalist Milton Friedman.
I'm no fan of the pope either but how does this lead to criticism of leftist support for the MPLA. I haven't followed Angolan politics in a while and wouldn't be surprised if there's widespread corruption as you maintain. The MPLA however was at the time of independence the best alternative: Savimbi the butcher and Holden Roberto, with the support of Mubutu Sese Seko, being the other alternatives. Dr. Neto stood head and shoulders above them.
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He thinks the Pope has his foot on the necks of poor oppresed black men. It is just as silly as it gets. Black africans are born with the same right to liberty that every other person has, it is up to THEM to insist on it.
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The solution at the time would have been to avoid the destructive fighting that lasted for decades in Angola. Thus, the 3 nationalist movements should have coalesced to form a government of national unity--with a president and 2 prime ministers or something of that nature.
If thay had done that, instead of being foolishly manipulated by the U.S., the Soviet Union, China, Cuba and South Africa, I don't see how they could have done worse that the very corrupt--"we just don't open our books to anybody"-- and callous MPLA--an oil bonanza darling of the U.S. Plus, they would have avoided the massive destruction of the Angolan civil war.
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No, the Pope does not have his foot on the necks of Africans, rather he has has opened their skulls and is pouring in destructive white magic. As a result, they become possessed and walk around zombie-like bewitched and believing that their salvation lay chanting inane "hail Marys" at home and in expensive buildings called churches that could have used for something more useful, like schools and libaries.
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The Catholic church (Vatican) reaps it's largest financial contributions from the world's poorest nations in Africa, Mexico, South American, and India. They are solely responsible for white American's passing the separation of church and state laws due to the Vatican owning 1/3 of US properties and holdings throughout the 1900s. The Pope is the Devil's middle man. Anyone who looks to this demon for redemption is surely damned. Jesus appropriately labeled these demons, Followers Of The Spouter Of Lies.
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so lamin, you are saying these black people are ignorant and should not be able to choose their own faith? Last time I looked people from all races belonged to the Catholic church. In fact, the runner up for Pope when benedict was chosen was a Nigerian Bishop. Sounds like more victimization on your part.
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The faith they chose was rammed down their minds. It would be an enormous tragedy if some negro bishop from Africa were ever to become Pope--a a white magic sorcerer of the highest order. As with the case of Obama becoming U.S. president you will see naive negroes singing and feeling happy as if the world went through some kind of sea change.
In a normal African world that silly man swinging his stenchy incense would not be allowed to land in any African country. Can you imagine the Pope being allowed to land in China or Arabia?
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The Church is dying in Europe and the Pope wants numbers to fill up the pews. So more negroes would be OK so long as they stay docile and kiss the Pope's ring.
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The church cares more for cash donations then ring kissing. Most Pimps feel this way.
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Lamin, The Pope could go to China, probably not to the Islamic nations. You are nothing more than a bitter bitter victim. You see a evil white man or institution under every rock and around every corner. Nobody has religion rammed doen their throats.
The irony of all this is that you spend all of your time worrying about white people and they do not think about you at all. One seldom if ever hears a conversation about race within groups of white people. Many have a few black friends but for the most part you are out of sight, out of mind.
They assume, rightly, that you are out there taking care of your own business and living your life. They do not read your wild theories on Egypt and Greece nor do they care to even hear about them. They do not even want to hear your arguments.
As you go through life obsessed by race you need to think about these things.
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The solution at the time would have been to avoid the destructive fighting that lasted for decades in Angola. Thus, the 3 nationalist movements should have coalesced to form a government of national unity--with a president and 2 prime ministers or something of that nature.
If thay had done that, instead of being foolishly manipulated by the U.S., the Soviet Union, China, Cuba and South Africa, I don't see how they could have done worse that the very corrupt--"we just don't open our books to anybody"-- and callous MPLA--an oil bonanza darling of the U.S. Plus, they would have avoided the massive destruction of the Angolan civil war. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lamin, we could extend the same wish (a unity government) for the entire continent today - that would really be something. But that's not going to happen for Africa anytime soon and it didn't happen in Angola. However, I find it incredible, that you believe that a government which included Savimbi would have served the needs of the Angolan people. This man with the aid of South Africa and the USA caused the death of hundreds of thousands of Angolans. You also equate Cuba's role with others. Recall that Cuba went to Angola in response to the invasion by South Africa (assisted by the United States). Recall also that the Cuban and MPLA victory at Cuito Cuanavale contributed enormously to the demise of the apartheid regime.
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quote:Originally posted by TheAmericanPatriot: You see a evil white man or institution under every rock and around every corner. Nobody has religion rammed doen their throats.
There is an evil white man under every rock, and every dung pile also. Watch your back homie!
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Wow, lots of Marxist propaganda being thrown about here. Sounds like commie Jew boy Ausarianstein under another name.
It is useful to note that before "great anti-imperialist" third world leader "Dr. Neto" discovered communism he went to USA first to help him against the Portuguese. Note too that Marxist/Mestizo MPLA was not representative of the Angolan people. Today it is still elitist and corrupt. Independence was a sham, the Portuguese were not driven out of Angola but simply passed on the state apparatus to MPLA, relations with western oil and diamond companies (a consortium that included South Africa) continued under the so-called "anti imperialist" government. MPLA dictatorship was kept in power by Cuba and Russia. In terms of brutality MPLA did not stand out compared to UNITA. After brutally driving UNITA supporters from the capital with newly acquired state from the Portuguese there were many raids and killings of UNITA supporters in their strong holds, recall too the party purge (with Cuban help) of the black power fraction in the MPLA led by Nito Alves a popular critic of the corrupt mestizo elite.
And of course Castro-loving Marxist always point to Cuba as the deciding factor in "ending" South African apartheid. This is yet anther play on the white abolitionist theme where whites, this time Castro, are seen as the source of black emancipation/liberation. Fact is, the anti-apartheid movement both in and outside South Africa, plus Western sanctions at end of cold war, forced the hand of Botha and CO. and this led to "talks" between ANC sell outs and west. This led to the modification of the apartheid regime, not its destruction.
Useful readings
Angola: The Hidden History of Washington's War (Harsch & Thomas)
Castro the Blacks and Africa by Carlos Moore
See too New African (November 2008) for an objective analysis on the post "independence" history of Angola that mentioned a MPLA's massacre of UNITA supporters after the 1990 elections.
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quote:It is useful to note that before "great anti-imperialist" third world leader "Dr. Neto" discovered communism he went to USA first to help him against the Portuguese
So what? Ho Chi Minh also sought the help of Americans against the French. People and movements evolve.
quote:Note too that Marxist/Mestizo MPLA was not representative of the Angolan people
Then how did they win elections in 1992 that was certified fair by international observers?
quote:Independence was a sham, the Portuguese were not driven out of Angola but simply passed on the state apparatus to MPLA, relations with western oil and diamond companies (a consortium that included South Africa) continued under the so-called "anti imperialist" government.
Who said that the MPLA (or any other Angolan group) drove out the Portuguese? The Portuguese had a Soclialist government which relinquished their African colonies in the most genuine attempt at decolonization by any European power. By the way is Jamaican independence not a sham? Because I don't quite recall the battle in which they chased out the British!
quote:And of course Castro-loving Marxist always point to Cuba as the deciding factor in "ending" South African apartheid. This is yet anther play on the white abolitionist theme where whites, this time Castro, are seen as the source of black emancipation/liberation.
Castro is heroic! Your emotional appeal to "racial" pride should be preached to your fellow Jamaicans. They've had nominal independence since 1962 and didn't elect a black man until the 1990's. Even an Arab came first.
quote:Fact is, the anti-apartheid movement both in and outside South Africa, plus Western sanctions at end of cold war, forced the hand of Botha and CO. and this led to "talks" between ANC sell outs and west. This led to the modification of the apartheid regime, not its destruction.
I'm sure sanctions may indeed have played a role in ending apartheid.
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@ troll Whisperer,not really true,while they for the most part belong to the lite skinned elite,there was Hugh Sherer,before Manley and Seaga.Seaga being of Syrian decent.now true the Manleys have alot of Euro mix not unlike George.W.Garden,a post slavery agitator for economic and human rights,who got strung up by the neck along with Paul Bogle.btw you would'nt turn Adam Clayton out in the cold because his shade wasn't chocolety enough would you?and yes Jamaicans did suffer the negative side effects of slavery,we never lost our manhood,eg:having the most slave rebellions on record,not to mention the Maroon wars.the back to africa movement and Africa for Africans at home and abroad,the largest black organization up to this point,started by a proud dark skinned black man Marcus.M.Garvey.when everyone out side Africa was into good hair/bad hair stuff,we went dread locks natural.and yes we are semi independent like most of the so called developing world,but the struggle continue. Posts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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ackee thanks. I have no problem with Manley's skin color. In fact he truly had the well being of the Jamaican people at heart and was a very inspirational leader. I consider Manley and Castro two of the greatest caribbean leaders. My intention was to highlight how absurd akoben's attack on Castro as a "white liberator" is.
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quote: yes Jamaicans did suffer the negative side effects of slavery,we never lost our manhood,eg:having the most slave rebellions on record,not to mention the Maroon wars.the back to africa movement and Africa for Africans at home and abroad,the largest black organization up to this point,started by a proud dark skinned black man Marcus.M.Garvey.when everyone out side Africa was into good hair/bad hair stuff,we went dread locks natural.and yes we are semi independent like most of the so called developing world,but the struggle continue.
Very good! I agree. My point regarding how Jamaica achieved independence is simply that most developing countries did not achieve independence by military means: although the Angolans did wage armed struggle against the Portuguese before independence. The semi independence gained under neo-colonial arrangements is still better than outright colonial status.
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Well finding solutions and getting from under the thumb of the major powers,requires alotta experimentations sometimes you will have things go wrong.btw when you have a chance check out and leave your opinion in the Return Of The Kings thread this thread is somewhat related.
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Correct ackee. There are no blueprints for liberation. Mistakes were, are, and will be made. But a phenomenon like Jonas Savimbi is something that anyone who abhors the savagery visited upon Africa by Europeans would condemn. This man was sponsored by the arpartheid regime of South Africa!!!
No black man with any balls or intelligence - this is aimed at you akoben -will come on the internet and support him.
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quote:Originally posted by lamin: The Pope, the Euro world's biggest witch doctor and master of white magic just descended on Africa, first in Cameroon then now in Angola. This witch doctor named Bendict and also known as Pope wafted into Cameroon to prattle on stupidly about AIDS and condoms. He then flew on to Angola, perhaps the most corrupt country in Africa, now under the corrupt aegis of the MPLA--whom misguided and ignorant leftists believed to be the salvation for Angola--to prattle on about coruption. This silly man--all decked out with a faux Egyptian crown--lives in Italy and doesn't know that Italy is more corrupt than any African government will ever be.
The whole thing is a big farce but many Africans are naive about this--so they rush out to see the pale-faced white man, who claims to be "the vicar of Christ".
Just so dissapointing that the black man's spiritual life has been hijacked by 2 aliens--Christ and Mohammmed--who dictate to the black man's very core being--even to the point of warfare and death. Sadly, the same applies to the material life of the African/blackman: his material life has laready been prescribed my Adam Smith, Karl Marx and arch capitalist Milton Friedman.
The economies of the world might be retreating and slowing down, but it hasn't stopped the catholic church from expanding in Africa and other poor areas of the world. I hear a new one is built every 20 seconds. Posts: 455 | From: Tharsis Montes | Registered: Jan 2009
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quote:Originally posted by TheAmericanPatriot: Lamin, The Pope could go to China, probably not to the Islamic nations. You are nothing more than a bitter bitter victim. You see a evil white man or institution under every rock and around every corner. Nobody has religion rammed doen their throats.
The irony of all this is that you spend all of your time worrying about white people and they do not think about you at all. One seldom if ever hears a conversation about race within groups of white people. Many have a few black friends but for the most part you are out of sight, out of mind.
They assume, rightly, that you are out there taking care of your own business and living your life. They do not read your wild theories on Egypt and Greece nor do they care to even hear about them. They do not even want to hear your arguments.
As you go through life obsessed by race you need to think about these things.
This has to be the most backward and assanine statement ever made. "They" are not concerned? LOL! You then proceed to post a book from another "non-concerned" whitey (Mary Leftkowitz), the entire book to the contrary of what you just said.
Another prime example to the contrary out of millions...your constant agitating presence on this board, amongst people you have absolutely NOTHING in common with. Posts: 455 | From: Tharsis Montes | Registered: Jan 2009
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Yea i remember seeing him on A.B.C's nite line with some far,vary far rightwhing,Reaganite trickle your piss down on us enconomics,just say no,no sex,but guns of whatever caliber is ok Asshole.he made me ill. Posts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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The major world powers are not the problem, the people of Angola are the problem. These armed bands running around the country causing havoc acomplish nothing unless they love Angola. Even the desire for power has to be instilled with a national vision. There has to be 'freedom' for each person in Angola that no armed band can interfere with to allow them to pursue happiness and be all that they wish.
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quote:Originally posted by TheAmericanPatriot: The major world powers are not the problem, the people of Angola are the problem. These armed bands running around the country causing havoc acomplish nothing unless they love Angola. Even the desire for power has to be instilled with a national vision. There has to be 'freedom' for each person in Angola that no armed band can interfere with to allow them to pursue happiness and be all that they wish.
Of course world powers are not concerned with oil, diamonds, gold, coltan, uranium, iron ore, copper, petroluem, bauxite, and cheap/slave labor. They never have and never will. It's just those stupid Angolans causing ALL their problems ALL by themselves.
The saga in Congo of Patrice Lumumba, the Belgians, the CIA, and 30 years of Mobutu Sese Seko is a prime example right?
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quote:Of course world powers are not concerned with oil, diamonds, gold, coltan, uranium, iron ore, copper, petroluem, bauxite, and cheap/slave labor. They never have and never will. It's just those stupid Angolans causing ALL their problems ALL by themselves.
The saga in Congo of Patrice Lumumba, the Belgians, the CIA, and 30 years of Mobutu Sese Seko is a prime example right?
Well said!
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Sounds like commie Jew boy Ausarianstein under another name.
And the undercover craka slave-poodle, you sound like Clyde Winters under another name, in that you are adept at fabricating claims just to feel that you have won an argument or accomplished something for a change. No, then point out what claim here is mine?
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quote:Originally posted by TheAmericanPatriot: The point just flew right over your head thegaul.
Dear one-liner. What you basically said is the same as saying it's not the rapist fault. The woman needs to stop him from raping her. She is the sole reason for her own misery, and to blame the rapist is just wrong.
Of course the woman being raped needs to do something about it, but to solely blame her and absolve the one causing the problem in the first place is COMPLETELY assanine.
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That is not what I said at all gaul. In the end the character of a people has much to do with what happens to them. The United States defeated the most powerful nation in the world in 1783 because, as a society, we believed in something. Many of these third world nations simply lack leadership. There has to be a valid set of national values that people see as bigger than themselves. What is my choice in some of these areas, which band of thugs I want to support? There has to be a national narrative that includes a moral system and a desire for individual freedom.
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quote:Originally posted by TheAmericanPatriot: That is not what I said at all gaul. In the end the character of a people has much to do with what happens to them. The United States defeated the most powerful nation in the world in 1783 because, as a society, we believed in something. Many of these third world nations simply lack leadership. There has to be a valid set of national values that people see as bigger than themselves. What is my choice in some of these areas, which band of thugs I want to support? There has to be a national narrative that includes a moral system and a desire for individual freedom.
Again, your simple mindedness does not allow you to see the big picture. Actuallu I think it's your ignorance, because you know very litte (pretty much NOTHING) about the history of any African people or place.
In order to compare what happened in the americas to recent Africa, 90% of the "founding fathers" of america would have either been killed, jailed, or exiled.
Why don't you actually learn about Africa before spouting off simplistic non-sense here? People of that continent are not so stupid and simple minded as you make them out to be.
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Oh really? Your typical commie Manichaean view of the Angolan civil war shows you don't seem to think so.
quote:Then how did they win elections in 1992 that was certified fair by international observers?
It was a close election and that's why they had to massacre UNITA supporters thus renewing hostilities. It wont be the first time "international observers" helped "their party" to "win" elections. By this time with end of cold war, the "international community" (white supremacy) no longer needed UNITA and decided to work with MPLA, who at this time gave up communism (like all good opportunists, e.g. Manely - "socialism is dead") and had joined forces with western Co. such as De Beers and mercenary outfits such as Executive Outcomes employed to hunt down UNITA supporters and Savimbi. Oh the ironies of history!
quote:Who said that the MPLA (or any other Angolan group) drove out the Portuguese? The Portuguese had a Soclialist government which relinquished their African colonies in the most genuine attempt at decolonization by any European power.
LOL Genuine attempt my a**. The socialist government in Portugal delegated "power" to their ideological brethrens the MPLA. The rest is history. Read the sources.
quote:By the way is Jamaican independence not a sham? Because I don't quite recall the battle in which they chased out the British!
Yes, so? How does this take away from the fact that MPLA was as much in the pay of white supremacy as UNITA?
quote: Castro is heroic! Your emotional appeal to "racial" pride should be preached to your fellow Jamaicans. They've had nominal independence since 1962 and didn't elect a black man until the 1990's. Even an Arab came first.
LOL Castro is a brilliant opportunist. Plus, your diversions to Jamaica's post colonial contradictions will not take away from the opportunism of Castro's African adventures. Deal with that!
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gaul, I always know I am talking to a loud, uneducated, shrill black man when they start screaming about how ignorant everyone is. The subject matter I dealt with was philosophical and it seems, over your head. The things I mentioned do not appy to any on place but rather to all people in all times.
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quote:Originally posted by TheAmericanPatriot: gaul, I always know I am talking to a loud, uneducated, shrill black man when they start screaming about how ignorant everyone is. The subject matter I dealt with was philosophical and it seems, over your head. The things I mentioned do not appy to any on place but rather to all people in all times.
Parrot, for you to assume I am screaming and uneducated because I called YOU (not everyone) ignorant only shows your own shallow and underdeveloped reasoning level. I even took the time to explain WHY you are ignorant.
Also, there is no one explanation for all people and most definetly not at all times. Thats also HIGHLY ignorant of you. No one place OR people have the same circumstances as the next...most especially in such a diverse place as Africa, the MOST diverse place on the planet.
It is that concept that keeps flying over your head, hence...ignorance.
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Look goofey. There is a reason why one nation prospers and anothr ends up picking cotton....it is the people in that nation. Do you think it is the damn trees or soil? What is wrong with your brain? Nations are composd of people and the choices those people make decide how those nations turn out.
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quote:Originally posted by TheAmericanPatriot: Look goofey. There is a reason why one nation prospers and anothr ends up picking cotton....it is the people in that nation. Do you think it is the damn trees or soil? What is wrong with your brain? Nations are composd of people and the choices those people make decide how those nations turn out.
Some nations also prosper or fail because of the greed of outside nations. Some nations do things beyond the barrier of human decency, i.e. rape. However, most often its not that obvious and the people of said nation are defenseless. Even blood-shed does nothing, which has happened over and over again.
You can get rid of the invaders and have a strong leader (i.e. Patrice Lumumba), but in this new world environment, outside investment will dry up unless you meet THEIR demands, not the will of the majority of the people. Strong leaders can simply be eliminated (Mandela, Lumumba, Toure, Nkrumah, Guevera, etc. etc.).
This goes far beyond simply blaming the locals for being lazy and stupid. This is 400 years of various events culminating into what we have today and it isnt all the same.
Time and time again you post these simpleton, often one-line posts here with NO facts, NO details, NO NOTHING!
Pretty sad isnt it Americanparrot?
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If a people are not strong enough, or smart enough to deal with thir enemies then they will suffer. You just agreed with me. On every apple tree there are always a few rotten apples. The smart and strong survive, the weak and stupid die. That is the way humanity makes progress. There are no excuses.
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quote:Originally posted by TheAmericanPatriot: If a people are not strong enough, or smart enough to deal with thir enemies then they will suffer. You just agreed with me. On every apple tree there are always a few rotten apples. The smart and strong survive, the weak and stupid die. That is the way humanity makes progress. There are no excuses.
No simpleton, I DO NOT agree. You write an end to a story that has just begun. Africa has had thousands of years of upward progress from which the world has benefitted before the last few hundred ruined by a few "rotten apples".
With the last few hundred in mind, to which you ignorantly rant that the locals are too weak and too stupid to fight back is shallow, short-sighted, generalized and un-educated (ignorant). The rule of foreigners either directly or by way of local lackeys is but a tear drop in the ocean of time, to which adjustments and progress is being made according to the circumstances of that particular situation. Botswana is doing it their way according to what they went through, black americans doing it their way, Ghana and Ethiopia theirs, according to THIER situation. NONE of which can easlily be explained away at the present time by the local people being weak and stupid. If thats the case, were the southern europeans too weak and stupid at the time of Moorish occupancy? Germanic peoples during the time of Roman empire?
Stop trying to bring millions of people down to a level you can currently comprehend. You rather educate yourself and raise yours adn spare us such simple stupidity.
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quote:Originally posted by akoben: Mandela is a "strong leader"????????
Before being eliminated by being exiled on Robben island, yes he was. Along with countless other South African leaders who were elimnated, but has their dream of liberation currently manifesting today. Something americanparrot can't seem to comprehend because african blacks are relegated to being "weak and stupid", according to his retarded way of thinking, for eternity.
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Medici
Italian bourgeois family that ruled Florence and later Tuscany from c. 1430 to 1737. The family, noted for its often tyrannical rulers and its beneficent patrons of the arts, also provided the church with four popes (Leo X, Clement VII, Pius IV, and Leo XI) and married into the royal families of Europe, notably in France (Catherine de Médicis and Marie de Médicis). The effective founder of the family was Giovanni di Bicci de' Medici (1360 – 1429), a merchant who amassed great wealth in trade and was the virtual ruler of Florence from 1421 to 1429. From his two sons derived the major branches of the family. The so-called elder branch began with Cosimo de' Medici. His grandson, Lorenzo de' Medici, or Lorenzo the Magnificent, greatly expanded the family's power. His son Giuliano de' Medici became duke de Nemours. Another son, Giovanni, became Pope Leo X. Lorenzo's great-granddaughter was Catherine de Médicis. Another of Cosimo's grandsons, Giulio de' Medici (1478 – 1534) became pope as Clement VII. His probable illegitimate son, Alessandro de' Medici, a tyrant, was the last of the direct male line of the elder branch. The so-called younger branch of the family began with Giovanni's younger son Lorenzo de' Medici. His son Giovanni married Caterina Sforza of the powerful Sforza family, and their son Giovanni de' Medici became a noted general. His son Cosimo I became duke of Florence, and Cosimo's son Francesco de' Medici (1541 – 87) was the father of Marie de Médicis. Cosimo I's grandson Cosimo II (1590 – 1621) gave up the family practice of banking and commerce. Cosimo II's grandson Cosimo III (1642 – 1723) was a weak ruler, under whom Tuscany's power declined. His son Gian Gastone de' Medici (1671 – 1737), who died without issue, was the last grand duke of Tuscany. For more information on Medici
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Egmond, It is time for breakfast at the mental institution, go get yourself a pancake.
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This article talks about three African popes, but does not mention their looks. To me this also goes for the European popes. The fact that they were European does not say anything about their ethnicity. I consider the family De Medici a ‘black and coloured’ family, with some showing Classical African features and others not, but still being coloured, with dark skin. ============================================================
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