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I'm posting this prematurely, because I want to leave EgyptSearch and move on......


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Sudan's Blood Memory
The Legacy of War, Ethnicity, and Slavery in South Sudan
Stephanie Beswick

Many societies worldwide possess oral histories and long memories, reaching back many centuries, particularly of wars and events of great trauma. Labeling them "blood memories" in this book, Stephanie Beswick presents a pre-colonial history of Southern Sudan, a region that, according to some, "has no history." Beginning in the fourteenth century, the book follows the region's largest ethnic group today, the Dinka, from their original homelands in the central Sudanese Gezira between the Blue and White Niles, into their more recently adopted homelands in Southern Sudan. Beswick demonstrates how early pre-colonial stresses play a critical role in modern-day South Sudan, in what has since become the world's longest civil war, fought externally against the fundamentalist Islamic Northern Sudanese government as well as internally within the South itself.
Stephanie Beswick is professor of history at Ball State University in Muncie, Indiana. She was born in Khartoum, Sudan.

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The first part of this book details how the Dinka and other Nilotic tribes came from central Sudan about 500 years ago. There is a 25 -27% linguistic relationship between the Dinka language which is Nilo-Saharan and the Ancient Nubian language. The modern so-called "Nubians" are aslo physically related to the "Nubians" of the north.

Dinka scholars and other Sudanese scholars have seen that the Dinka bow and arrows is identical to the Ancient Egpytian bow and arrows. There are many other identical tools used by both AEs and Dinka.

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Moreover, the Dinka are jet Black and look like the Nubians depicted in Egyptian drawings.

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[ing]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JF8UtJK3aog/Reo7UgfWXRI/AAAAAAAAAak/ioLHYTb0GDg/s400/dinka%2B3.jpg[/ing]


This one is covered with a red powder which is like in the pics above.

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They are cattle pastoralists like those in Nabta Playa and many customs are similar to the AEs.

Their Y chromosomes are 60% A M13 which is the world's oldest. and B M60 and E M78


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The AfroAsiatic speakers including the Beja northern "Nubians" are mixed with J1 and R1b. They cannot be the real Nubians

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Dinks aren't related to the Nubians you idiot. Dinkas are related to groups like the shilluk, Masaai, Luo, and other "nilotic" groups.
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quote:
Originally posted by Bettyboo:
Dinks aren't related to the Nubians you idiot. Dinkas are related to groups like the shilluk, Masaai, Luo, and other "nilotic" groups.


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On October 31, 2007 Djehuti said in arguing with Maahes
in Topic: Motion Picture: Goddess of the Sun :

".....You make the claim that the label 'black' as
applied to people is not indigenous to Africa but was
something created by Europeans. We not only have evidence
of indigenous Africans using black as a name for themselves
but even the Egyptians themselves since the
true name they called themselves was Kememu!" and

"....Again, you associate 'black' with only the
darkest Africans like Nilotic peoples such as the
Dinkas or Nuers. 'Black' in reference to people does not
mean the actual color 'black' (which no humans have,
but the darkest like southern Sudanese only come close to having). '
Black' simply means having very dark skin, which
most indigenous Africans do have." and later


".....They called their nation Kemet NOT as a
reference to the river valley silt but to their
actual country. While they called lighter-skinned
Asian and Libyan foes desretyw.

Of course, the Egyptians themselves were not
literally 'black' in color and no human being is!
(not even Sudanese like Dinka, but they are close)
They called themselves 'black' as a reference to
their dark skin and because they saw the color
as divine.
Hence their ancestral god Ausar (Osiris) is known
as Kem-Wer literally 'Great Black'."

Maahes said:

"....Black is a sacred colour. The peoples that were/are
truly black as obsidian or onyx were also sacred in
ancient times- so much so that we took to describing the
peoples as the peoples of the black rock- literally the
Egyptian term for the Men of Onyx. Nowhere in Tut's
iconography does he describe himself as descendant of
anyplace but Egypt.
One of the issues here is transliteration.
There are probably seventeen different words for
Black in old Egyptian. In English we have but one
word and it is used ad hoc as a one size fits all
definition of Eurocentrics of old."

".... Iman is clearly of the Oryx lineage- the Ta-Seti
and Thomosides are of this stock as is Anwar Sadat.
Alex Wek is of the Black Rock."


On November 2, Maahes said:

"My family originally came from Somerkot valley
between Dahklha and Khargha. About four thousand years ago,
a good percentage of our peoples migrated to Upper Egypt
proper. We are a matrilinear tribal clan. Land and water
are passed down through women only. During the 13th century B.C.
our ethnic minority was pushed by military force out of
Upper Egypt for a time. Half of us returned
to Dahkla and the others migrated south to the strong
holds of the Inyotef Ta-Seti who in reaction to
Hyksos/ Kushite collusion in the 13th Dynasty-17 dynasty-
had taken up permanent residence in a kingdom somewhere
in the highlands of Ethiopia probably
somewhere near present day Eritrea. "


"...Naturally, the Abysinnian branch of our family
remained in fairly close contact with the Western Desert
branch from dynastic days through to the Christian era.

One branch of our tribal clan migrated to Siwa.
These were largely men only and of the Ma'ahes caste.
Anyone familar with Hadendoa tribal clan is
looking at the easternmost branch of our people."

Doug M said:

"Maahes Hadendoa is another name for Beja groups
along the Nile Valley. Beja, Bisharin, Hadendoa
are all names for the same peoples."


On November 3, 2007 Maahes said:

"...It is clear that Queen Tiye should be respected
as co-regent and acting sovereign as her husband
Amenhotep lies on his deathbed. The fact that Tiye is
of Nilotic descent is never a topic in
the story- and why should it?"


On November 6, Maahes wrote:

"....Nomadic Peoples of the Black Rock were
simply not interested in political machinations
of the Egyptians. This doesn't mean there weren't any
dark skinned African hereditary chiefs mind you-
just no Fur, or Nyala kings in Egypt. The term
Pharaoh is a misnomer and is used incorrectly in
most instances. The Governmental Body is the Per Aa.
There may have been any number of individuals,
be they viziers, hereditary princes, royal wives,
priestesses or administrators whose ethnic origins would
have been referred to as stemming from the black rock."

and later

"...The peoples of the Black Rock are the true blacks.
They own the term. Everyone else should just be happy
that they have permanent tans if they have them that is.
We can't all be as beautiful as the Black Rock.

Khnum made them better than the rest of us.
I've gotten over it. Maybe you should too?
I'm stuck being whatever my ancestors called themselves.
In America i can be Black but i know its like speaking two
languages. It can mean one thing in one language and
something entirely different in another.

I could never be Black in the definition of the peoples
who share the same ancestral wadis and sebkhets and have forever.
They don't hate me for it. They have their own incredible
history and culture. I can't claim it for my own. No one in
my genetic history can claim to have walked back and forth
between Chad and Libya since the Holocene. The Peoples of
the Black Rock can trace their ancestors footsteps for millenia."


What does the DNA Analysis tell us?

From:
Y Chromosome Variation Among the Sudanese 2008,

The Nilotic groups possess the most ancient lineages of
A M13, B M60 and also E M78. While the Beja and Copts
and other AfroAsiatic Speakers have many lineages
including J1 and R1b! Small amounts of A and B
Y chromosomes exist with AfroAsiatic
speaking Sudanese groups.

BTW, African Men according to a Hammer 2005 .pdf
possess A M13 and B M60 at 1.1% and 0.8%
respectively.


The people who are the so-called "Nubians"
carry 8 different Y chromosome lineages
including I, J1. J2 and R1b!
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The Ancient Nubians in AE paintings are usually
jet Black in color with Negroid features.
The modern "Nubians" are mixed.

A and B are the oldest lineages for living men
period. The earliest inhabitants of the Nile
were the ancestors of the Nilotics.
The earliest Egyptians were Nilotic.
The Ancient Egyptians called themselves
Kememu because they were jet Black in color.
The gods of Kemet were deified individuals
who actual lived in the remote past.
Ausar was a jet Black Nilotic man.

The original old Kingdom pharaohs were
very Black with Negroid features.
I've seen it in books that I
could not scan at the time.

The people of the Oryx,
the followers of Set were
reddish brown like the modern
Somalians and Beja. They made war against
the original jet Black Egyptians
who followed Ausar. That's what
the Ausar/Set story was probably really
about. The war is between men over the
patrilineages even today. The women
were spared. The women were native
Africans as well. Auset, Neith and
Hetheru lived on.

Consequently, the followers of Set won.
The People of the Black Rock - the
Nilotic MEN are being hunted and killed
even as I write in South Sudan and Darfur.
The women are captured for the other side.
Even New Kingdom TaSeti pharaohs had
jet Black wives. Nothing has changed.

Not only have paintings and statues been
altered, but the true physical legacy
of the first Kememu is being wiped out
without a true understanding of how
they fit into the AE framework.

THE NILOTICS ARE THE REAL NUBIANS
AND FIRST ANCIENT EGYPTIANS.

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http://afraf.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/pdf_extract/XII/XLVI/165

http://www.flipkart.com/nilotic-negroes-totemic-group-albert/1425306365-jox3fcp0fd

He figured it out before me.


our prez is 1/2 Luo and a real Kushite King

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The Shilluk/Chollo had a central gov't and the Luo branched off from them.

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The Dinka have many names that are identical to the ancient Kememu of Kemet. The Nilotes are the original inhabitants of the Nile Valley.
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Good information, keep it up! I always wondered if the Nubian people of Sudan/Egypt were related to the Dinka...now I know. What about the Nuba people? Are the Nuba and Nubian people one in the same?
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quote:
Originally posted by Bettyboo:

Dinks aren't related to the Nubians you idiot. Dinkas are related to groups like the shilluk, Masaai, Luo, and other "nilotic" groups.

First of all, the 'Nubians' were diverse and consisted of various groups of people.

Second of all, even though we don't know exactly what language the most prominent group from Middle Kingdom times onward-- the Kushites-- spoke, is it not possible they were Nilo-Saharan speakers as well and therefore 'Nilotic'?!! Even today, in northern Sudan the so-called Nubian languages are classified as Nilo-Saharan!

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quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:
Originally posted by Bettyboo:

Dinks aren't related to the Nubians you idiot. Dinkas are related to groups like the shilluk, Masaai, Luo, and other "nilotic" groups.

First of all, the 'Nubians' were diverse and consisted of various groups of people.

Second of all, even though we don't know exactly what language the most prominent group from Middle Kingdom times onward-- the Kushites-- spoke, is it not possible they were Nilo-Saharan speakers as well and therefore 'Nilotic'?!! Even today, in northern Sudan the so-called Nubian languages are classified as Nilo-Saharan!

The Dinkas are not related to the real nubians of Sudan. The have a different way of life, different language, and they look differently. Nubian language is 'classied' as Nilo-Saharan which the Dinka languages are not. The Dinka is related to the Shilluk, Luo, and Masaai.
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^ Yes, Dinka ARE related to the ancient Nubians. The Dinka originated in Central Sudan which was part of the Kushite Empire. Exactly what is so different about their way of life?? Dinka are semi-agricultural pastoralists. So were the Kushites. Dinka revered their cattle. So did the Kushites. Yes, the languages of the Dinka and Kushites may be different but they are still closely related! I won't even get into your claim that they "look different" since many Western scholars in the past say that because the Egyptians did not look like Sudanese groups like the Dinka but Kushites did, then Kushites are black but Egyptians are not!

As for the languages of the Dinka, Shilluk, Luo, and Masai not being Nilo-Saharan. I suggest you look here, here, here, and here.

Again, the problem as usual is you have no clue as to what you're talking about. [Roll Eyes]

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quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ Yes, Dinka ARE related to the ancient Nubians. The Dinka originated in Central Sudan which was part of the Kushite Empire. Exactly what is so different about their way of life?? Dinka are semi-agricultural pastoralists. So were the Kushites. Dinka revered their cattle. So did the Kushites. Yes, the languages of the Dinka and Kushites may be different but they are still closely related! I won't even get into your claim that they "look different" since many Western scholars in the past say that because the Egyptians did not look like Sudanese groups like the Dinka but Kushites did, then Kushites are black but Egyptians are not!

As for the languages of the Dinka, Shilluk, Luo, and Masai not being Nilo-Saharan. I suggest you look here, here, here, and here.

Again, the problem as usual is you have no clue as to what you're talking about. [Roll Eyes]

Dinkas aren't related to the real Nubians. The dinka language and that of the Luo, Shilluk, and Masaai are not Nilo-Saharan languages. The Dinka people were actually captives and slaves in AE. The same way the Dinka people live today is the same way they always lived.
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^ Hey Betty-boot, I just provided you links showing that the languages of the Dinka as well as Luo, Shilluk, and Masaai ARE Nilo-Saharan!! So why not admit you're wrong unless you can provide linguistic evidence to the contrary! Also, what evidence do you have of ancient Egyptians enslaving Dinka??! Sounds like another empty claim you pulled out of your toosh. Ironically, the Egyptians did make slaves out of some of their Nubian enemies so perhaps there is some truth to your claim, but obviously a contradiction if you say the Dinka are not even related to Nubians when they obviously are! Also, how exactly did the Dinka live 'black then' as opposed to now?? Archaeology shows the cattle culture of the Dinka stretches back to Neolithic times so what is your claim??

It seems to me, the Dinka are just another African people that is the focus of your anti-African ignorance and hatred. [Embarrassed]

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The Dinkas aren't related to the real nubians and the Dinka has nothing to do with AE unless they were slaves. The Nubians are so beautiful with nice soft hair and smooth soft skin and the Dinkas look like monsters with rugged thick skin and short nappy hair and they wear no clothes.
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^ Wow I am right then! It is your insecure hatred of blacks and not logic that drives you! Which is why you are unable to refute a word I said! Keep dreaming Bettyboob.
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quote:
Originally posted by Bettyboo:
The Dinkas aren't related to the real nubians and the Dinka has nothing to do with AE unless they were slaves. The Nubians are so beautiful with nice soft hair and smooth soft skin and the Dinkas look like monsters with rugged thick skin and short nappy hair and they wear no clothes.

Many Nubians today have hair like that and light skin due to Arabic admixture. The original Nubians before the 1400s were 100% black and looked just like the Dinka. If you look at the paintings the Egyptians made of the original pure blooded Nubians you would see that they are depicted as being pitch black in complexion as shown below. Dumb bitch.


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quote:
Originally posted by Ebony Allen:
quote:
Originally posted by Bettyboo:
The Dinkas aren't related to the real nubians and the Dinka has nothing to do with AE unless they were slaves. The Nubians are so beautiful with nice soft hair and smooth soft skin and the Dinkas look like monsters with rugged thick skin and short nappy hair and they wear no clothes.

Many Nubians today have hair like that and light skin due to Arabic admixture. The original Nubians before the 1400s were 100% black and looked just like the Dinka. If you look at the paintings the Egyptians made of the original pure blooded Nubians you would see that they are depicted as being pitch black in complexion as shown below. Dumb bitch.


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Those are pictures of real NUBIANS they are not Dinkas. Just because the DINKAS are pure black doesn't mean they are the people depicted in the ancient Egyptian drawings. The dinka lived the same exact way they live today during the ancient egyptian and nubian era. They didn't wear clothes then and they don't wear clothes now. You should know that those people aren't Dinkas because Dinkas don't wear the feature in their hair.
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Where did I say the Dinka are/were Nubians? I said the Nubians looked like the Dinka in the pre-1400s years. Can't you comprehend, twerp?
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I am black, you fucking idiot. You're the only crazy troll here on this forum.
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quote:
Originally posted by Ebony Allen:
Where did I say the Dinka are/were Nubians? I said the Nubians looked like the Dinka in the pre-1400s years. Can't you comprehend, twerp?

I told you just because the Dinkas are pitch black and the Nubians are pitch black doesn't mean they look alike. They look nothing alike. I'm not talking about mixed nubians. I'm talking about pure pitch black nubians of today look nothing like Dinkas. Their skin is different; their features are different; their body type is different their way of life is different; and I made an error in my last post to you. I meant to say that the drawings show 'FEATHERS' in their hair which is more common amongst Cushitic groups.
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....please go here....

http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=006406

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Dinka are not ugly at all either. This model has beautiful features and great skin.


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The Dinka do not have "rugged thick skin", they actually have the smoothest skin in Sudan. The Dinka speak a Nilo-Saharan language, albeit it's more closely related to the Luo/Shilluck, Nuer and Masai languages.

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Thread cleaned up a little. Argumentative idiots, take Wally's advice.

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....please go here....

http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=006406


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Henu wrote:
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Thread cleaned up a little.
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Henu if you are so intent on cleaning up this thread how come you kept the below from Bettyboo in this thread?


Bettyboo wrote:
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The Dinkas aren't related to the real nubians and the Dinka has nothing to do with AE unless they were slaves. The Nubians are so beautiful with nice soft hair and smooth soft skin and the Dinkas look like monsters with rugged thick skin and short nappy hair and they wear no clothes.
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If you really wanted to clean up the thread you would have removed Bettyboo's post.


Why is it still there Henu?

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I do not know why a foreigner would so strenuously deny the connection between Sudanese populations?

The Dinka speak a Nilo-Saharan language, they're our brothers.

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quote:
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Dinka are not ugly at all either. This model has beautiful features and great skin.


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That's ONE photo and it's airbrushed. That girl doesn't even look Dinka since the dinkas have jet black skin. The dinkas are the ugliest people on the planet.
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Well, she is Dinka. Her name is Clara Aker Benjamin. Dinka have brownish-black skin, dummy. They can appear to have a very deep dark brown skin. And when they're far away they look jet black. Alek Wek, the supermodel is definitely Dinka. No one can say she isn't because everyone knows it's a fact. Take a look at her skin and you can clearly see that it is a very deep dark brown hue. I guess you think these pics are airbrushed.


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Folks that bug eyed, fly infested Henu deleted a response I made earlier in this thread.


Henu likes to hang around all of those pitiful race loon forums where white racists like to fantasize they are Ancient Egyptians.


Henu actually believes in their mythology.


This is why he allows posts that are meant to denigrate African Americans and other Africans to stay while posts "he" deems as not uplifting to whites and other groups are to be deleted.


Just look at this thread and you can see for yourself.

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Hey Bettyboo/Ebony Allen aka white boy who has an erection that has pink blisters on it,


Why is it by the time white women are in their early to mid 20s they have that heavy thick baggy ass skin that looks like an old man's scrotum?


HAHAHAHAHAHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

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I'd kill to have skin like Alek and Clara.
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Ebony Allen,


You would also like to have a penis free of pink blisters and wrinkly white skin.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAAHA!!!!

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quote:
Originally posted by Ebony Allen:
Well, she is Dinka. Her name is Clara Aker Benjamin. Dinka have brownish-black skin, dummy. They can appear to have a very deep dark brown skin. And when they're far away they look jet black. Alek Wek, the supermodel is definitely Dinka. No one can say she isn't because everyone knows it's a fact. Take a look at her skin and you can clearly see that it is a very deep dark brown hue. I guess you think these pics are airbrushed.


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I'm familiar with this ugly model and she is so ugly. Those dinka people are jet black and those photos are all airbrushed and photoshop. They do a lot to photos after developing them. They can even make you appear lighter than what you actually are. They do it to black women all the time even with the blackest ones like those two black models you posted. That girl skin is the color of coal like all the dinka people.
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quote:
Originally posted by Ebony Allen:
I'd kill to have skin like Alek and Clara.

If you are an African then you probably already have their skin. That's probably why you are being so defensive of it.
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I'm African American for your fucking information. And jet black skin is gorgeous.
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Whole entire thread of pics of Clara.


http://forums.thefashionspot.com/f52/clara-aker-benjamin-57953.html

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Ebony Allen

Man Ebony that Clara really has some sweet lips. Thanks for posting such a beautiful woman.

Peace

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Betty Boo, said:I'm familiar with this ugly model and she is so ugly. Those dinka people are jet black and those photos are all airbrushed...

AS Argyle would say,look here people here is another example of a mentally beat down AA. repeating what your white masters thought you...brawaaaahhhh....something like that.

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Bettyboo:

You seem to embody a level of hatred toward the Dinka people, why?

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If she is indeed black or AA...she has a bad case of selfloathing...It's not just Dinka she hates is all or most things African..esp. Dark-skinned types..with tightly curled hair and ohh those West Africans...special hate goes out to Nigerians.

She beleives Africans are berift of what she calles "noble" civilizations..exception being Kemet,Kush,Axum.

Dispite being shown numorus other African acheivements...she readely dismissed them out of hand...and go on to spew racist nonsense...can you say........ TROLL!!!

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quote:
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Ebony Allen

Man Ebony that Clara really has some sweet lips. Thanks for posting such a beautiful woman.

Peace

You're welcome.
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quote:
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Don't mean to piss anyone off or burst anyone's bubble... but... what exactly is hot about her (besides the tropical limb props and her glowing colour) [Confused]

Please don't attack me like a pack of dogs [Big Grin] as I am only stating my opinion. I'd have to agree with Bettyboo in this instance that she's not hot. Not saying she's ugly, but I don't find her appealing, anymore than say a lanky flat-chested flat-ass white chick. [Razz]

There a particular pic of an African lady who blogs... her profile pic for the blog...crickey, now that's a hot sexy sweaty Afro thick-mama [Cool]

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Yeeeeeeees! [Big Grin]

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I'll do anything for this lady...

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^^ You can just imagine how much fun that would be can't you. Don't lie. [Smile]

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Wow. And the first thing you do is come and here and post pics of a high yella "black" Melyssa Ford who's clearly mixed. Sorry. Mixed race chicks aren't black.
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Bettyboo/Ebony Allen why do white women set the all time purchases of wrinkle removal creams to an all time high?


And they do it by the age of 25 no less.

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaahaha : )

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You'll have to ask a white woman that. I'm not white.
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quote:
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Wow. And the first thing you do is come and here and post pics of a high yella "black" Melyssa Ford who's clearly mixed. Sorry. Mixed race chicks aren't black.

[Big Grin]
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