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Marc - I have no clue as to why some knuckle-heads STILL equate White skin with Europe or Cold weather, when the "WHITE" written history which disproves it, is readily available to all.

Scandinavian history (BLACKS)

The Scandinavian prehistory began when the area became free of ice, at the end of the last ice age, around 11000 BC, with the Ahrensburg culture and hunters living in near proximity to the ice. It took until the 7th millennium BC for forest, wildlife and Mesolithic hunter-gatherers to settle. In southern Scandinavia, a Maglemosian culture (ca 7500 BC–6000 BC) developed. The Maglemosian people lived in forest and wetland environments using fishing and hunting tools made from wood, bone and flint microliths. A characteristic of the culture are the sharply edged microliths of flintstone which were used for spear heads and arrow heads. Microliths finds are more sparse from ca 6000 BC and the period is said to transist into the Kongemose culture (ca 6000 BC–ca 5200 BC). The finds from this period are characterised by long flintstone flakes which were used for making the characteristic rhombic arrowheads, scrapers, drills, awls and toothed blades.

The Ertebølle culture (ca 5300 BC-3950 BC) is the name of a hunter-gatherer and fisher culture dating to the end of the Mesolithic period. It was followed by the Funnelbeaker culture (4000–2700 BC) a culture that originated in southern parts of Europe and slowly advanced up through today's Uppland. Tribes along the coasts of Svealand, Götaland, Åland, north-eastern Denmark and southern Norway learnt new technologies that became the Pitted Ware culture (3200 BC to 2300 BC).


Norsemen (WHITES)

Norsemen is used to refer to the group of people as a whole who speak one of the North Germanic languages as their native language. ("Norse", in particular, refers to the Old Norse language belonging to the North Germanic branch of Indo-European languages, especially Norwegian, Icelandic, Swedish and Danish in their earlier forms.)

The meaning of Norseman was "people from the North" and was applied primarily to Nordic people originating from southern and central Scandinavia. They established states and settlements in areas which today are part of the Faroe Islands, England, Scotland, Wales, Iceland, Finland, Ireland, Russia, Italy, Canada, Greenland, France, Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Germany.

Norse and Norsemen are applied to the Scandinavian population of the period from the late 8th century to the 11th century. The term "Normans" was later primarily associated with the people of Norse origin in Normandy, France, assimilated into French culture and language. The term Norse-Gaels (Gall Goidel, lit:foreign Gaelic) was used concerning the people of Norse descent in Ireland and Scotland, who assimilated into the Gaelic culture.

Vikings has been a common term for Norsemen in the early medieval period, especially in connection with raids and monastic plundering made by Norsemen in Great Britain and Ireland. Northmen was famously used in the prayer A furore normannorum libera nos domine ("From the fury of the Northmen deliver us, O Lord!"), doubtfully attributed to monks of the English monasteries plundered by Viking raids in the 8th and 9th centuries.

Viking Range - pay special attention to the DATES!!

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Mike. Nice piece above. To get an idea about just how recently whites are to many northern areas, look at the bottom picture on this page showing (by phenotype) African women kayakers and such who were the "tour guides" as it were for a white fellow described as the first European in Greenland and this was in the 1820s and 1830s!!!!!!!!

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http://www.beforebc.de/Related.Subjects/Ships.Sea-faring/02-17-800-36-01.html

And see picture 4. By phenotype, Africans still in Greenland in the 1900s!!!

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Hey guys!! the point is not weather those different genetic bar codes exist in any given population..because all humans are not sub-species of each-other and I am not trying to sound all kumbayaa or anything of the sort just stating a fact that we "modern" us are all one people,there are variations in genetic bar codes and phenotype both within and out side Africa..and there seems to be slight changes in bar codes ever so often and the further and longer one travels away from the original population the greater the change..but those who remain in their original locations under-goes changes also..Africans have the greatest variety them being the oldest but did contact happend after the 1st migration out of Africa? of course it did you guys posted as much so there is no rm for argument with that,did Africans pass on more recent genetic bar codes to those closest to them? of course they did see Benin Hbs in Europeans as an exmaple.

The biological,cultural and the political need not be confused or mixed up with each-other.

I also realize that some of us don't trust the information at hand because of pass and in some cases recent corruption so arguing the point becomes..well pointless.

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Some people just feel the only way to defeat white gibberish is to promote their own gibberish. I guess that makes them feel "equal" to whites.

Marc goes to absurd lengths of defining what AFRICAN means in terms of phenotype, but then turns right around and starts contradicting himself with images that don't match his own nonsensical labels. All of which boils down to trying to uphold a concept of "races" when there is no such thing as race.

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quote:
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Hey guys!! the point is not weather those different genetic bar codes exist in any given population..because all humans are not sub-species of each-other and I am not trying to sound all kumbayaa or anything of the sort just stating a fact that we "modern" us are all one people,there are variations in genetic bar codes and phenotype both within and out side Africa..and there seems to be slight changes in bar codes ever so often and the further and longer one travels away from the original population the greater the change..but those who remain in their original locations under-goes changes also..Africans have the greatest variety them being the oldest but did contact happend after the 1st migration out of Africa? of course it did you guys posted as much so there is no rm for argument with that,did Africans pass on more recent genetic bar codes to those closest to them? of course they did see Benin Hbs in Europeans as an exmaple.

The biological,cultural and the political need not be confused or mixed up with each-other.

I also realize that some of us don't trust the information at hand because of pass and in some cases recent corruption so arguing the point becomes..well pointless.

Brada

We know all about genes and admixtures. But noone has yet been able to satisfactorily explain where those pinkish people come from.

Why do I say Pink? Because that is closer to their true pig-skin look than white, which is the colour that they have used to confuse the world and themselves.

Where are the so-called white people from? How did they originate? What is the "refugim" from the LGM that you guys talk about?

Codes, my brada, codes.

I know for a fact that the "refugim from LGM" simply means a cave out of the ground. In other words, these are a people that came out of the underworld!

Why did they come out of the under-world, in the North, to cause so much pain and misery just like prophesied in the book of Isias; Jeremias, Revelations, and the Book of Hermes Trismegistus?

They were created just for that! Chaos! That is why them differn than the global black aboriginal sky worshippers like InI.

You are dealing with a people like no other. Don't let their witch-doctor scientists hoodwink anyone. There might have been admixture but originally we were differn.

Black Humans evolved underneath the sky. Pale humans evolved underneath the ground!

They came out of the cave, pink like noone else. That is why they are different from the above the ground dwelling aboriginals.

That is why the sun burns them up with cancer. Cause they belong underground not above ground.

When we put them back under, there will be peace on earth, at last.

Lion!

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Absurd? Absurd, you write? Have you perchance looked in your mirror recently? You who say that even if someone looks Negroid they might well not be (by phenotype, I say) African? Looks like not only absurdity but a case of delusionality.

Delusion: Psychiatry. a belief held in the face of evidence to the contrary, that is resistant to all reason. See also illusion, hallucination.

Doug, you might as well have said that …

All scholars agree that there is no such thing as 'race'"

You’d agree that the University of Pennsylvania, one of the Ivy League schools, is full of scholars, right?


In their Museum Library, put in the word “race” and you get over 10,000 entries.

Now. You are presumably telling us that ALL SCHOLARS AGREE THAT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ‘RACE’’ and the Museum Library has over 10,000 books by scholars on race.

You are saying either these 10,000 sources don’t exist?

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This is a case of a belief held in the face of evidence to the contrary, that is resistant to all reason.

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http://www.beforebc.de/Made.by.Humankind/Real.People/02-17-00-22.html

No race?

Tell the KKK, the US Census, tell the Jews, the Italians, and the French there is no such thing as race. Tell that to the white supremaists, and to those who write of racial profiling.

No race? It is all in your head, all illusion, all hallucination. It is delusion in your own mind alone.

For the absurd, look no further than your mirror.

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The above post dealing with absurdity, I meant to mention but left out, was directed to Mr. Doug who wrote:

Marc goes to absurd lengths of defining what AFRICAN means in terms of phenotype.

I am proud of the African phenotype and to restore it when, Doug, your ancestors were tickled to talk about old black Sambo with the big lips and wide nose.

You finally got the picture. African as I proudly use it is by physical appearance, phenotype and not as you use it referring to geography.

[Doug writes] but then turns right around and starts contradicting himself with images that don't match his own nonsensical labels.

[Marc writes] Oh really? Post some examples. I don't think you can.

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Black Humans evolved underneath the sky. Pale humans evolved underneath the ground!


So you are saying they are mole people
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Or Morlocks?

Lion !!they are just people..but great is their crimes against environment and people that is multiplied by the fact of technology..no need to make super villians or super-heroes out of them.

And I am saying this knowing full well that the technology that came into being for the last 300yrs is used for the greed of their elites in the most selfish and destructive manner. It is the greed of their elites and others and ooh yes ours that is the problem.

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Lion - Interesting take, never heard that one before.

The most vulnerable always put up the biggest defenses, and do the greatest evil in the name of their defense.

But we can not put them back in Asia or Underground. They are Humans, therefore they are part of us, and as such, they must be reabsorbed.

Tiger is doing the dirty work for us - and paying the price, He, he.


Except Afronut - maybe underground IS the best place for him.

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quote:
Originally posted by Marc Washington:
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The above post dealing with absurdity, I meant to mention but left out, was directed to Mr. Doug who wrote:

Marc goes to absurd lengths of defining what AFRICAN means in terms of phenotype.

I am proud of the African phenotype and to restore it when, Doug, your ancestors were tickled to talk about old black Sambo with the big lips and wide nose.

You finally got the picture. African as I proudly use it is by physical appearance, phenotype and not as you use it referring to geography.

[Doug writes] but then turns right around and starts contradicting himself with images that don't match his own nonsensical labels.

[Marc writes] Oh really? Post some examples. I don't think you can.

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Marc, simply put you are spewing the nonsense of the Europeans you are supposedly arguing against and mimicking their ideologies and tactics in reverse. That does nothing to further anything concerning the struggles of African and black people world wide. Calling white mole people does not change the fact that these "mole people", albinos or whatever other racial terms you and others can come up with are dominating and oppressing blacks world wide.

There is a difference between a race-man and a race loon. A race loon tries to copy and emulate the racist ideologies and typologies of white supremacy in reverse, creating a form of "black supremacy" by trying to compete with whites over who is better at creating pseudo scientific racialist dogma. The problem with this is that it doesn't reflect reality on the ground only creates a temporary sugar high over name calling. It does nothing to further the agenda of black liberation anywhere on the planet.

A race-man, as in the ideas of Marcus Garvey, is about pursuing the agendas of black liberation in all aspects of life: socially, economically and politically. Historical reference is used to support this effort and is not an effort in itself.

The goal and agenda of black liberation is not to mimic white racists and their thought processes.

But that is the problem, some people believe that calling white folks albino mutant cave monkeys actually changes the fact that those so-called albino cave monkeys currently run the world and have done so by killing off the so-called superior mighty Africans.

Obviously such a train of thought is what you would expect from 4 year old children, not serious students of African liberation and or history.

And seriously, anyone who claims Africans are a sub species of the human race has to be considered a race loon, especially if they think that somehow is an attack on white supremacy. The racists have been saying that all along and you agree with them, which means you are one confused puppy.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
Lion - Interesting take, never heard that one before.

The most vulnerable always put up the biggest defenses, and do the greatest evil in the name of their defense.

But we can not put them back in Asia or Underground. They are Humans, therefore they are part of us, and as such, they must be reabsorbed.

Tiger is doing the dirty work for us - and paying the price, He, he.


Except Afronut - maybe underground IS the best place for him.

I must agree wholly with you, Mike111 on your perspective.

Sometimes we agree sometimes we disagree, like brothers. Keep your fire burning!

Lion! [Smile]

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Doug. Absurd? you write? Have you perchance looked in your mirror recently? You who say that even if someone looks Negroid they might well not be (by phenotype, I say) African? Looks like not only absurdity but a case of delusionality.

Delusion: Psychiatry. a belief held in the face of evidence to the contrary, that is resistant to all reason. See also illusion, hallucination.

Doug, you might as well have said that …

All scholars agree that there is no such thing as 'race'"

You’d agree that the University of Pennsylvania, one of the Ivy League schools, is full of scholars, right?

In their Museum Library, put in the word “race” and you get over 10,000 entries.

Now. You are tell us that ALL SCHOLARS AGREE THAT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ‘RACE’’ and the Museum Library has over 10,000 books by scholars on race.

You are saying either these 10,000 sources don’t exist?

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This is a case of a belief held in the face of evidence to the contrary, that is resistant to all reason.

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http://www.beforebc.de/Made.by.Humankind/Real.People/02-17-00-22.html

No race? It is all in your head, all illusion, all hallucination. It is delusion you carry.

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quote:
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Iron Lion
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Black Humans evolved underneath the sky. Pale humans evolved underneath the ground!


So you are saying they are mole people
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Or Morlocks?

Lion !!they are just people..but great is their crimes against environment and people that is multiplied by the fact of technology..no need to make super villians or super-heroes out of them.

And I am saying this knowing full well that the technology that came into being for the last 300yrs is used for the greed of their elites in the most selfish and destructive manner. It is the greed of their elites and others and ooh yes ours that is the problem.

Brada

I once heard the south African ambassador to Canada once say, that in south Africa there is a wisdom which goes thus:

"Blacks were created underneath sunshine, so there were baked brown upon creation.

So-called whites were created at night (I say underground) so they remained pale."

Go back and read the LGM refugium theory again.

Read the caveman theory again.

Check out the neaderthals of neaderlands (aka neanderthals).

They told you their stories not I, the Lion! You may choose to believe them or disbelieve them.

My job is to undo the code. The I's job is to judge with sincerity.

Lion!

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Doug M - Intelligent people do not disparage people with congenital defects - and that is what Albinism is - a congenital defect.

However, they also do not allow those same people to claim that the congenital defect somehow makes them special or superior - that's just common sense.

Since the previously naive (in thinking that they were harmless), and now "Beaten-Down" Black man; has many in his numbers who have accepted the defective Humans as being special or superior.

For Re-balancing to take place, it only makes sense to first try to lift the cloud of ignorance that this "weak-minded" portion of the Black population finds itself under. In order to do that, a accurate history is essential.

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Tiger . . . . and Marc. LOL Sorry Marc couldn't resist, if what the say is true.
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Lion - I. . .
Tiger is doing the dirty work for us - and paying the price, He, he.


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Guys, it is very simple.
Look at the world haplogroup:
http://www.scs.uiuc.edu/~mcdonald/WorldHaplogroupsMaps.pdf

What does it tell you? HG-I is comparatively genetically very different to R1b/a the main southern European lineages. The immediate pre-cursor to hg-R1a/b is.. . .black African R-underived.
The data shows that hg-I was isolated for a long time.
The epicenter of hg-I1 is. . . Scandinavia area. . above the 45th parallel where most scientist agree that the white skin evolved. Scientist say it was a combination of diet and lack of sun that caused the Leucoderm mutation. But the Inuts don’t have the mutation because they ate . . .,fish. So what about Southern coastal Europeans. They should be eating a LOT more fish than Inuts. So we know the reported” trigger is . . .BS.
The only reasonable explanation is the hg-I were isolated and had very little variety of food for a long time, this occurred where there is very little sunlight. We now know the mutation had selective sweep about 2000ya.
Therefore mutation occurred in dark (sun deprived locations) ie Caves during the LGM. My guess is HG-I led to the demise of Neanderthals. They went extinct at and during the LGM . The Neanderthals were probably food for HG-I, after-all, the latest reports states both man and Neanderthals occupied these caves. Plus there is evidence that the Neanderthals were slaughtered and eaten. When HG-I emerged from the caves and started to spread they finished up the Neanderthals since they acquired a taste for them.
According to some studies, per Dr. Nordvet, the HG-I spread mimic the spread of Germanic peoples after the fall of the Roman Empire. A reasonable explanation is the R1(Cameroonian) decedents(R1b) basically mixed with the southward migrating Hg-I peoples. Selective sweep for the skin occurred around 2000ya.
As Meninarmer pointed out many times how can it be “natural” for a people to be allergic to the SUN. But I don’t agree with the Albino nonsense
That is why a red-headed fair skin Ramses is hilarious. A bigots wet dream. Imagine a red-headed Nordic European running around in the deserts of Africa without sunblock and his shirt off(see wall pics). He will be red and blistered as a cherry. LOL. GTFOH.
He wlll probably stick out like a sore thumb even in southern Europe.

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quote:
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Doug M - Intelligent people do not disparage people with congenital defects - and that is what Albinism is - a congenital defect.

However, they also do not allow those same people to claim that the congenital defect somehow makes them special or superior - that's just common sense.

Since the previously naive (in thinking that they were harmless), and now "Beaten-Down" Black man; has many in his numbers who have accepted the defective Humans as being special or superior.

For Re-balancing to take place, it only makes sense to first try to lift the cloud of ignorance that this "weak-minded" portion of the Black population finds itself under. In order to do that, a accurate history is essential.

Are your sly but constant insults towards Black people just your own pathetic way of dealing with the fact that you're an ugly ass, relatively dull and boring crackkka ass who does not like his white skin.... ? [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
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^Dirkie - is that you?
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^ Naw, it's me mate Dave [Big Grin]

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@ Mike

Probably Clint Eastwood the hindu swami. A mixed up dude. He needs help.

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quote:
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Doug. Absurd? you write? Have you perchance looked in your mirror recently? You who say that even if someone looks Negroid they might well not be (by phenotype, I say) African? Looks like not only absurdity but a case of delusionality.

Delusion: Psychiatry. a belief held in the face of evidence to the contrary, that is resistant to all reason. See also illusion, hallucination.

Doug, you might as well have said that …

All scholars agree that there is no such thing as 'race'"

You’d agree that the University of Pennsylvania, one of the Ivy League schools, is full of scholars, right?

In their Museum Library, put in the word “race” and you get over 10,000 entries.

Now. You are tell us that ALL SCHOLARS AGREE THAT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ‘RACE’’ and the Museum Library has over 10,000 books by scholars on race.

You are saying either these 10,000 sources don’t exist?

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This is a case of a belief held in the face of evidence to the contrary, that is resistant to all reason.

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http://www.beforebc.de/Made.by.Humankind/Real.People/02-17-00-22.html

No race? It is all in your head, all illusion, all hallucination. It is delusion you carry.

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Bottom line Marc what I am saying is that you constantly regurgitate the absurd racists views of whites but claim it is somehow uplifting for blacks.

And for that matter your 4th grade chart doesn't even make any sense or reflect any views of the so-called scholars you believe in.

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Hi Everybody,

I am new to this forum, and I wanted to say something about the picture of the First European. From what I understand of Forensics, everyone should be putting the emphasis on the actual remains of the skull itself. Has anyone ever put the cranial remains of Pestera cu Oase next to a Negro and Caucasian cranium to compare them, or the measurements. I have read in other forums that Richard Neave is either a fraud or is working faithfully as a true scientist. That isn't the issue at all. I compared the pictures of all four major races and took into account the measurements and I came to the conclusion that there is nothing greatly different between the Pestera cu Oase remains and the average European. The nasal width is 25 mm. perfectly within the specifications of Caucasians of any subtype. There is no prognathism and the chin is prominent. The nasal bones are narrow, but between flat and prominent (from what remains of the nasal bones). The nasal aperature is tear drop shaped, which is a Caucasian trait. The ramus is pinched, not straight, another Caucasian trait. The only trait of the skull that would not be defined as Caucasian is the shape of the orbits. They aren't as sloping as with Caucasians, but even a minority of Caucasians would have only slightly sloping orbits. I don't know why Neave rebuilt the face as the above picture, but that doesn't matter because the picture doesn't matter the actual remains do. The soft parts of the face are usually improvised, for example, the skin, the nostrals, the nose from the middle down is cartilage, which would lead to improvisation. The real Pestera cu Oase was a good 27,000 years separated from the African ancestors and his skin color would no doubt be the same as Caucasians from the Middle East.

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^^^You're wrong.

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This is a picture of the first European according to your scientist. As you can see he was highly pigmented.

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rainburnice:
Whether or not Africans were able to develop narrow noses is hypothetical (assumption) with as no examples proven in the real world.

^^COmplete and utter bullsh1tt. Plenty of "real world"
examples have already been given.


. Eurasians entered Africa they mixed with the native inhabitants there and that's why you find mixed race remains of those time periods.Do you think that throughout all history the races were segragated and refused to mix with each other?

^^ANother bullsh1tt red herring. You still have not
yet produced the credible scholarship that backs
your claim
of "mulatto" Africans, nor have you proved your
claim that "Caucasoids" were in the Palestine area
before tropical Africans. What's taking you so long?


Even if you are attempting to form a valid hypothesis the most parsimonious prevails. Your hypothesis attempts to disregard the fact that Africa was an open continent for bidirectional migration and that even though West Eurasian types were present at that time a completely independent evolution of a Caucasoid-like people occured in Africa. That isn't just a non-parsimonious hypothesis it is the most unlikely.

^^Your diversionary tactics won't work. We all know
that Eurasians entered Africa at different times, that
is not and never was at issue. You speak of
"parsimonious' hypotheses but then turn around
and spin a quite un-parsimonious "wandering Caucasoids"
hypothesis to explain things like narrow noses in
Africa when climate effects as well as Africa's
native genetic diversity is close at hand. Brace 1993
already quoted shows things like that. Since you
say that "most parsimonious prevails" then you
have ironically succeeded in debunking your own claims.

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The implication was that out of the two Haplogroups J and E, Haplogroup J was in the Levant first and Haplogroup E entered second.

^^Prove that tropical African people were not in
the Levant before your Caucasoids. We have already
asked you 3 or 4 times for credible scholarly proof.
What's taking you so long?


This quote is too vague, which serves your purpose. Ohalo is in no way sub-Saharan African. It makes sense that you wouldn't provide a picture of Ohalo to confirm your hypothesis

Let's not deal with your eyeball anthropology that
"expertly" can tell who is "mulatto" or not. Let's
deal with credible mainstream scholarship. What's taking you so long?

And as for Nazlet Khater, which is of mostly W. Eurasian descent with moderate admixture with sub-Saharans. If you look at the skull, that is the most parsimonious explanation for the features.

^you keep making these claims like an empty echo
chamber with little credible scholarship to
back them up. Show us the scholarship that calls
Nazlet Khater "Eurasian". What's taking you so long?
Could it be that your eyeball anthropology is utter
nonsense compared to the conclusions of credible
mainstream scholars?

While you keep desperately searching for yet another
"parsimonious" claims to dig you out of the hole,
let us instruct you re Nazlet Khater:

QUOTE:

Thoma concludes that the Nazlet Khater specimen is:

(a) indisputably anatomically modern with certain
archaic characteristics; (b) related to the
Nubian Epipaleolithic skeletal series from Wadi
Halfa and Jebel Sahaba; and (c) displays Negroid
characteristics such as alveolar prognathism and
sub-nasal fossa."

--P. Vermeersch 2002. Paleolithic quarrying sites
in Upper and Middle Egypt


Please quote credible scholarship to back up
your claim of how Nazlet Khater became "mostly Eurasian."
We'll wait...

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Note: I am not an "Egyptologist" as claimed by some still bitter, defeated, trolls creating fake profiles and posts elsewhere. Hapless losers, you still fail. My output of hard data debunking racist nonsense has actually INCREASED since you began..

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