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This is especially for the Afronuts who when viewing ancient Persian artwork, seem to confuse Persians for African Negros because of the hair.

Here is an example of a Persian "AFRO..."



**Culture Vulture is not cool

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AAAAHHHHH You are so fvcking dumb! "AFRO" ROFL

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Brada-Anansi - Am I to take it that you have joined Afroidiot in the lunacy of depicting Parthians as Persians?


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Standing man, 1st–2nd century a.d.; Parthian period
Iran
Gray stone

H. 30 1/4 in. (76.8 cm)
Rogers Fund, 1951 (51.72.1)

This fragmentary stone relief of a standing man is a product of the resurgence of an Eastern aesthetic in Parthian art.

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You Stupid, Stupid, little Boy;
Parthia and Persia are NOT the same!!!


Parthia

The borders of Parthia were the Kopet Dag mountain range in the north (today the border between Iran and Turkmenistan) and the Dasht-e-Kavir desert in the south. In the west was Media, in the northwest Hyrcania, in the northeast Margiana, in the southeast Aria. (The road from Media through Parthia to Margiana is the famous Silk Road.) On the other side of the southern desert was Persia proper.

Assyrian texts mention a country named Partakka or Partukka in the seventh century B.C. at an unknown time, its inhabitants were subjugated by the Medes, who ruled until they were subdued by the Persian leader Cyrus the Great in 550 B.C. For the next two centuries, Parthia was part of the Achaemenid Persian Empire.

In 522/521 B.C, after the coup d' état of the Persian king Darius I, Parthia revolted against the Persians, joining the Median rebel king Phraortes. The Persian satrap of Parthia was Hystaspes, the father of the new Persian king Darius; he managed to stand his ground against the Parthian rebels in the city of Vishpauzâtish, where he repelled his enemies on March 8, 521 B.C. After his victory, Parthia was pacified again.


The Parni

In 245 B.C, a satrap named Andragoras, revolted from the young Seleucid king Seleucus II, who had just succeeded to the throne. In the confusion, Parthia was attacked by the Parni, a nomadic tribe from the Central-Asian steppe. By 238 B.C, the Parni occupied the district known as Astavene. Three years later, a Parnian leader named Tiridates ventured further south and seized the rest of Parthia. A counter-offensive by king SeleucusII ended in disaster, and Hyrcania was also subdued by the Parni. Their capital was Hecatompylus.

From now on, the Parni were known as Parthians. In the years that followed, their kings -Arsaces I, Arsaces II, Phriapathus, Phraates I- recognized the Seleucid king as their superiors, but under Mithradates I (171-138 B.C.) they conquered Media, Babylonia, and Elam. Thus creating the Parthian empire, which was to last until 224 A.D, when it was conquered by the Persian Sassanians.

Did you get this part from above idiot! the Parni, a nomadic tribe from the Central-Asian steppe morphed with the Parthians and became one people.

You Stupid, Stupid, little Boy

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The road from Media through Parthia to Margiana is the famous Silk Road. On the other side of the southern desert was Persia proper.


a nomadic tribe from the Central-Asian steppe morphed with the Parthians and became one people.


Afroidiot - Which part of the hi-lighted don't you understand??

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First you ignore the scholarly quotes I provided. Why did you do that Afro-fool? Second, you provide a map of modern Iran as though it reflects the persian empire of antiquity. Are you a fvcking moron?

Address the fvcking quotes I provided, otherwise this discussion is over.

YOU LOSE FOOL.

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The Persian Empire (Empire means countries that you have conquered and put them under your rule - in addition to your own country); was much greater than the original borders of Elam (The original country of Iran).

Since Egypt was also a part of the Persian Empire, were Egyptians also Persians???

Well then, how about the Greek Ionians??


From Darius the Great's, Behistun Inscription (Pss, He is the Black guy below).





6. (1.12-7.) Darius the King says: These are the countries which came to me; by the favor of Ahuramazda I was king of them: Persia, Elam, Babylonia, Assyria, Arabia, Egypt, (those) who are beside the sea, Sardis, Ionia, Media, Armenia, Cappadocia, Parthia, Drangiana, Aria, Chorasmia, Bactria, Sogdiana, Gandara, Scythia, Sattagydia, Arachosia, Maka: in all, 23 provinces.

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First you ignore the scholarly quotes I provided. Why did you do that Afro-fool? Second, you provide a map of modern Iran as though it reflects the persian empire of antiquity. Are you a fvcking moron?

Address the fvcking quotes I provided, otherwise this discussion is over.

YOU LOSE FOOL.

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The Persian Empire (Empire means countries that you have conquered and put them under your rule - in addition to your own country); was much greater than the original borders of Elam (The original country of Iran).

Since Egypt was also a part of the Persian Empire, were Egyptians also Persians???

Well then, how about the Greek Ionians??


From Darius the Great's, Behistun Inscription (Pss, He is the Black guy below).





6. (1.12-7.) Darius the King says: These are the countries which came to me; by the favor of Ahuramazda I was king of them: Persia, Elam, Babylonia, Assyria, Arabia, Egypt, (those) who are beside the sea, Sardis, Ionia, Media, Armenia, Cappadocia, Parthia, Drangiana, Aria, Chorasmia, Bactria, Sogdiana, Gandara, Scythia, Sattagydia, Arachosia, Maka: in all, 23 provinces.

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Well I didn't check his sources his.. thread his pic..anyways my point was whomever he was his hair didn't match the Iranian dude,so weather it was his natural hair,a wig or his barber hooked him-up the hair looks like the pics that I posted.

Now according to the mythological origins of the Persians by the Greeks.

Marriage with Andromeda

Perseus rescuing Andromeda from Cetus, depicted on an amphora in the Altes Museum, Berlin
Perseus and Andromeda.On the way back to Seriphos, Perseus stopped in the Phoenician kingdom Ethiopia, ruled by King Cepheus and Queen Cassiopeia. Cassiopeia, having boasted herself equal in beauty to the Nereids, drew down the vengeance of Poseidon, who sent an inundation on the land and a whale, Cetus, which destroyed man and beast. The oracle of Ammon announced that no relief would be found until the king exposed his daughter Andromeda to the monster, and so she was fastened to a rock on the shore. Perseus slew the monster and, setting her free, claimed her in marriage.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So on the level of myth Persians are atleast part Ethiopians

But then how did the persians wish to view themselves.

Xenophanes in a similar contrast recounts that
the Ethiopians represent their gods as black-faced
and flat-nosed, while the Thracians show their
gods to be blue-eyed and red-haired. And,
finally, Sextus Empiricus writes that beauty is
relative, the Ethiopians preferring the blackest and
the most flat-nosed and the Persians approving
the whitest and the most hook-nosed.
Well there you go for atleast the time of the greeks that's how they view beauty..
Taken from Frank Snowden.

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alTakruri - I always thought that you were a person of color - I guess not.

Upon second look, you might notice that the hair of all the ancients in that area was BRUSHED FLAT!! It was NOT an Afro.

When Black people with curly hair, brush it flat, the ends ALWAYS CURL UP!!!!

That is what is depicted!

I thought everybody knew that.

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alTakruri - You really need to stop.

Once again, you are making an ass of yourself.

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Originally posted by Afronut Slayer:
This is especially for the Afronuts who when viewing ancient Persian artwork, seem to confuse Persians for African Negros because of the hair.

Here is an example of a Persian "AFRO..."



**Culture Vulture is not cool

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This is not an Afro. This hair style represents the traditional hair style of Indo-Europeans.




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A careful look at the image below reveals that the
bushy hair is so by artifice since immediately below
the crown one can see the the natural wavy nature
of the hair. This is true of nearly all the Persian art
(Elamites excluded for one). One need examine many
art pieces to notice these characteristics of their hair.





At one time I subscribed t the belief that nappy hair
was depicted. Then I saw many and larger art pieces
where I noticed the hair is wavy at the root and is
only bushy at the ends. This led me to believe the
bushiness was due to the knack of hairdressers.

The Persian 'du is elaborate in design. Their natural
hair was loosely wavy, as you can see at the edge of
the king's crown, then the ends were tightly curled. All
in all it produces the effect of wooly hair like the curly
Afro some Ladinos, Iranians, and Arabs used to wear
back in the 1970's. You know, the "Jewfro"

Back in the 70's many wavy haired folk sported Afros.
It wasn't because they were black or had nappy hair.
It was because they admired the long nappy hair many
blacks were wearing then.

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Eridu is an ancient city in what is now Tell Abu Shahrain, in Iraq. Eridu was the earliest city in southern Mesopotamia, founded c. 5400 BCE. Located 12 km southwest of Ur, Eridu was the southernmost of a conglomeration of Sumerian cities that grew about temples, almost in sight of one another. In Sumerian mythology, Eridu was founded by the Sumerian deity Enki, later known by the Akkadians as Ea.

In the Sumerian king list, Eridu is named as the city of the first kings. The kinglist continues:

In Eridu, Alulim became king; he ruled for 28800 years. Alalngar ruled for 36000 years. 2 kings; they ruled for 64800 years. Then Eridu fell and the kingship was taken to Bad-tibira.

The king list gave particularly long rules to the kings who ruled before a great flood occurred, and shows how the center of power progressively moved from the south to the north of the country.

Adapa U-an, elsewhere called the first man, was a half-god, half-man culture hero, called by the title Abgallu (ab=water, gal=big, lu=man) of Eridu. He was considered to have brought civilization to the city from Dilmun (probably Bahrain), and he served Alulim.

In Sumerian mythology, Eridu was the home of the Abzu temple of the god Enki, the Sumerian counterpart of the Akkadian water-god Ea. Like all the Sumerian and Babylonian gods, Enki/Ea began as a local god, who came to share, according to the later cosmology, with Anu and Enlil, the rule of the cosmos. His kingdom was the waters that surrounded the world and lay below it (Sumerian ab=water; zu=far).

The stories of Inanna, goddess of Uruk, describe how she had to go to Eridu in order to receive the gifts of civilization. At first Enki, the god of Eridu attempted to retrieve these sources of his power, but later willingly accepted that Uruk now was the centre of the land. This seems to be a mythical reference to the transfer of power northward, mentioned above.

Babylonian texts also talk of the creation of Eridu by the god Marduk as the first city, "the holy city, the dwelling of their [the other gods] delight".

It can very well be that Eridu is linked to the Annunaki. In the court of Assyria, special physicians trained in the ancient lore of Eridu, far to the south, foretold the course of sickness from signs and portents on the patient's body, and offered the appropriate incantations and magical resources as cures.

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A Neo-Assyrian text from the seventh century BC purporting to be Sargon's autobiography asserts that the great king was the illegitimate son of a priestess. In the Neo-Assyrian account Sargon's birth and his early childhood are described thus:
“ My mother was a high priestess, my father I knew not. The brothers of my father loved the hills. My city is Azupiranu, which is situated on the banks of the Euphrates. My high priestess mother conceived me, in secret she bore me. She set me in a basket of rushes, with bitumen she sealed my lid. She cast me into the river which rose over me. The river bore me up and carried me to Akki, the drawer of water. Akki, the drawer of water, took me as his son and reared me. Akki, the drawer of water, appointed me as his gardener. While I was a gardener, Ishtar granted me her love, and for four and […] years I exercised kingship.[15] ”

The image of Sargon as a castaway set adrift on a river resembles the better-known birth narrative of Moses. Scholars such as Joseph Campbell and Otto Rank have compared the 7th century BC Sargon account with the obscure births of other heroic figures from history and mythology, including Karna, Oedipus, Paris, Telephus, Semiramis, Perseus, Romulus, Gilgamesh, Cyrus, Jesus, and others.

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Sargon died, according to the short chronology, around 2215 BC. His empire immediately revolted upon hearing of the king's death. Most of the revolts were put down by his son and successor Rimush, who reigned for nine years and was followed by another of Sargon's sons, Manishtushu (who reigned for 15 years).[34] Sargon was regarded as a model by Mesopotamian kings for some two millennia after his death. The Assyrian and Babylonian kings who based their empires in Mesopotamia saw themselves as the heirs of Sargon's empire. Kings such as Nabonidus (r. 556–539 BC) showed great interest in the history of the Sargonid dynasty, and even conducted excavations of Sargon's palaces and those of his successors.[35] Indeed, such later rulers may have been inspired by the king's conquests to embark on their own campaigns throughout the Middle East. The Neo-Assyrian Sargon text challenges his successors thus:
The black-headed peoples [Sumerians] I ruled, I governed; mighty mountains with axes of bronze I destroyed. I ascended the upper mountains; I burst through the lower mountains. The country of the sea I besieged three times; Dilmun I captured. Unto the great Dur-ilu I went up, I ... I altered ... Whatsoever king shall be exalted after me, ... Let him rule, let him govern the black-headed peoples; mighty mountains with axes of bronze let him destroy; let him ascend the upper mountains, let him break through the lower mountains; the country of the sea let him besiege three times; Dilmun let him capture; To great Dur-ilu let him go up.[36]

Another source attributed to Sargon the challenge "now, any king who wants to call himself my equal, wherever I went [conquered], let him go.

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Thank you!! There are at least some Afronuts who are honest when the OBVIOUS is staring them right in their face!

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Originally posted by alTakruri:
A careful look at the image below reveals that the
bushy hair is so by artifice since immediately below
the crown one can see the the natural wavy nature
of the hair. This is true of nearly all the Persian art
(Elamites excluded for one). One need examine many
art pieces to notice these characteristics of their hair.





At one time I subscribed t the belief that nappy hair
was depicted. Then I saw many and larger art pieces
where I noticed the hair is wavy at the root and is
only bushy at the ends. This led me to believe the
bushiness was due to the knack of hairdressers.

The Persian 'du is elaborate in design. Their natural
hair was loosely wavy, as you can see at the edge of
the king's crown, then the ends were tightly curled. All
in all it produces the effect of wooly hair like the curly
Afro some Ladinos, Iranians, and Arabs used to wear
back in the 1970's. You know, the "Jewfro"

Back in the 70's many wavy haired folk sported Afros.
It wasn't because they were black or had nappy hair.
It was because they admired the long nappy hair many
blacks were wearing then.

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Thank you!! There are at least some Afronuts who are honest when the OBVIOUS is staring them right in their face!

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Originally posted by alTakruri:
A careful look at the image below reveals that the
bushy hair is so by artifice since immediately below
the crown one can see the the natural wavy nature
of the hair. This is true of nearly all the Persian art
(Elamites excluded for one). One need examine many
art pieces to notice these characteristics of their hair.





At one time I subscribed t the belief that nappy hair
was depicted. Then I saw many and larger art pieces
where I noticed the hair is wavy at the root and is
only bushy at the ends. This led me to believe the
bushiness was due to the knack of hairdressers.

The Persian 'du is elaborate in design. Their natural
hair was loosely wavy, as you can see at the edge of
the king's crown, then the ends were tightly curled. All
in all it produces the effect of wooly hair like the curly
Afro some Ladinos, Iranians, and Arabs used to wear
back in the 1970's. You know, the "Jewfro"

Back in the 70's many wavy haired folk sported Afros.
It wasn't because they were black or had nappy hair.
It was because they admired the long nappy hair many
blacks were wearing then.

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Sorry, but having a father with the kind of hair that can be straight and curly-kinky at the same time, I couldn't resist addressing this issue.


First, is the bushy hair on the beard on Darius also artifice?. LOL!

Lets be for real. Ancient Ethiopic people in the Persian Gulf didn't have to admire "nappy" hair to have hair that was very curly.

Dark brown people of the Persian Gulf and Arabian Sea didn't have to use gerri-curl to make their hair curly or kinky. In fact its the opposite, they use camel butter and other forms of grease to make it straighter or more manageable.

If you put the same hat on the man's head below (who is from the Mash'ai group of the Mahra of Oman and Hadramaut) it would no doubt come out the same way as the hair on Darius.

Mash'ai Arabian

If anything it shows they probably the ancients used the same grease the "near black" Kaab or Rabi'ah Arabs of the Shott al Arab were said to have used on their hair until the 19th century.


Yemenite Sabaean official or ruler


The paintings of these Persians (Farsi) at the Louvre show dark brown soldiers and thus they were a dark brown population likely related to peoples of the same name in Arabia and Africa -Faras, Farasan of the Banu Taghlib (Dawasir) and Dahlak Islands. Even the modern Afariyyeh or Afars of Arabia and Oman often such hair.


Fars tribesman


Afar tribesman

As mentioned by Herodotus, the Achaemenids and earliest Persians claimed descent from the Daae And as mentioned in Persian mythos they were connected with the Arabian heros like Dzhahak. The latter is considered in Arab genealogy either the brother of "Akk" or son of Alwan or Alawam. The name Fairuz is supposed to be related to that of Persia and in fact the south Arabian ancestor and tribal name Faras or Pharis.

There is no reason to deny that people that were probably originally of South Arabian ancestry had less than straight hair.


Afar man of Eritrea

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Simply amazing.....grown-azz people ADULTS who can't reason/debate/etc., without consistently resorting to childish name-calling and belittling others who don't agree with them....there is this thing called "respectfully agreeing to disagree" either in whole or in part...

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Simply amazing.....grown-azz people ADULTS who can't reason/debate/etc., without consistently resorting to childish name-calling and belittling others who don't agree with them....there is this thing called "respectfully agreeing to disagree" either in whole or in part...

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Simply amazing.....grown-azz people ADULTS who can't reason/debate/etc., without consistently resorting to childish name-calling and belittling others who don't agree with them....there is this thing called "respectfully agreeing to disagree" either in whole or in part...

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TruthAndRights - After you have been here for a while, you will begin to understand the dynamics of the board.

Take this thread for example, would a sensible person seriously suggest that the people now in Iran are Persians?

Of course not; a cursory read of history, and a fleeting look at the artifacts would deter even the stupidest racist from making such a claim.

But yet, as you can clearly see, an Afroidiot has made such a claim, and this is not unusual, as a matter of fact, it has become the norm. There is no way to take these people seriously, so the only way to keep things moving is to trade insults. In time, you will be forced to do the same. Hope you are up to it.

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Respect and thanks to you and Bob01 (is it?) both. I am never, online, forced to do anything that I do not wish to do....the 'bigger' person walks away and leaves one to talk ish to one's Self....I am very good at ignoring and overlooking ones when I feel to, and entertain ish only when in the mood to do so...I really do not have, and will not make, the time for going back and forth round and round over and over again with someone about the same thing- it's pointless and wasted energy that could be better spent elsewhere....I do not feed Trolls, lol ...I have more Truths to learn here as well as further information to Truths I know already, which is why I am here; and to share here and there (I doubt there is much I know that ones here do not know already) with ones as well...



htp.

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You'll have to do better than bait and switch.
That only works on those inattentive to detail
and particulars. Masha'i aren't Persians. Sabaeans
aren't Persians. Afars aren't Persians. Elamites
aren't Persians.

Presenting images of Elamites doesn't magically
turn Persian Darius into one. Same for the other
example of Medes I gave. In fact it just lends
support to my imitation-in-admiration speculation.

I personally know a few straight to very slightly
wavy haired individuals who got 'Fros in the 70s.

One was my Saudi roommate who came to me asking,
"How do I get my hair like yours?" Now this was
a far cry from the usual Saudi who'll taunt with,
"You can't change your hair." By change they mean
to part the hair with a comb.

I had my roommate shampoo with beer and eggs, real
cans of beer and real cartons of eggs. Within a
month he was sporting a bushy Afro. After attaining
to his degree and before returning to Riyadh he let
his hair go back to its original and natural straight
texture.

Now how in hell can you tell me what I witnessed
couldn't have happened without applying a perm.
But that's beside the point because curling irons
and thus "permanent waves/curls" are nothing new
in history.


Hair texture is determined by shape in cross section
of a hair. Helix hair is compressed oval and grows
up and out in defiance of gravity. Straight hair is
round and flops down weighted by gravity.

I can tell similar stories for Latinos, Germans, Iranis,
etc.

I have nothing at stake in the "Persian Afro." I
couldn't give a damn if their hair was nappier than
a racoon's ass or straighter than a sow's pussy.

Like I said I used to think they had natural naps but
after the experience of viewing busts from the perspective
of directly
above the crowned head I now stand by the ends of the
hair being curled by artifice.



I don't need to make every people in the East into
a black people. There are plenty of indigenous black
Easterners with and without bushy hair. I don't have
to invent them where they don't exist.

Persians curled their hair in imitation and admiration
of the Elamites perfectly as possible copying the
style
from the Immortals in their employ. That's my opinion
which I can present without the need to ridicule those
who don't share my opinion.

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The below photo is of an Elamite who are the pre-Persian inhabitants of Susiana in Iran. Just as the Achamenid Daae, Derbikes are the pre-Scythian inhabitants of Susiana Iran and Central Asia.


Elamite of Susa

Below - Modern man still living on ancient Elamite site


Hair not by Artifice


People that wore their hair in Afros back in the '70s wore it because they could. The blowdryer can do wonders for European people with frizzy hair. No amount teasing is going to turn a regular European hairdo into an AFro unless it is permed. Most people Jewish, Spanish, Italian who had afros in the 70s whether we like it or not didn't need to perm their hair!

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Sassanid Iranians had longer curly hair.

Scythic non-Afro-Asiatic people helped found the Parthian and Sassanid empires which succeeded the Achaemenid one of Darius and their earlier cousins in Medea.

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dana marniche - You were just a little bit off on this one. The Parthians were really a blend of the nomadic Parnni (of the famous Parnni/Parting Shot| Turning around and firing an Arrow backward as you ride away) and the Parthians - I don't know of a Scythian element to them.

During the period of Parthian rule, each group remained semi-autonomous, sort of as vassal states. They were never unified into one kingdom, therefore there was not that much melding of the races.

Consequently the Sassanian Persians were "Pure-Blood" Persians. They just wore their hair longer.








BUT, THAT IS NOT TO SAY THAT THERE WAS NO MIXED MARRIAGES!!!!

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I invite critique and disagreement with my proposals
but ad homina like calling me personally full of ****
is unneccesary and will stop me from further discussing
this issue with you (of course you'd propbably prefer
that).

Thanks for the detail images that support hair
being straight at the root and artificially curled
at the ends. The "Greek" examples reveal this
better than the one of Darius or the Medes
because with their heads uncovered it's plain
to see that above the curled tips the hair is not
naturally curly from the mid-lengths to the root.

So we see Persian art can depict a hairstyle of
straight/slightly wavy hair curled at the tips
and that Persians weren't the only people sporting
such a hairstyle.

The quality of bushy hair is no argument in favor
of black identity. Blacks and non-blacks both have
sported long bushy hairstyles. But I don't think
non-blacks sport nappy (helixical growing) hair,
you know, the kind of hair you are so ashamed of.

As previously noted Elamites are blacks. Greeks
believed that Medes are partially black from
a Colchidian component. They believed Persians
to be partially black as per the myth of Perseus
and Andromeda. Apparently Persians recognized
some attachment to Aithiopians as evidenced by
their depositing their crown emblems under care
of Kush at a time they feared conquest in war.

Anyway, the point I'm making about the Persians
and the Medes is that their hair was naturally
straight and/or slightly wavy not naturally
helixical (nappy/coily/kinky/woolly). If that
disturbs the need to make them blacks by those
who can find nothing lauditory in the blacks of
continental Africa, well, too too bad.

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Originally posted by alTakruri:
I invite critique and disagreement with my proposals
but ad homina like calling me personally full of ****
is unneccesary and will stop me from further discussing
this issue with you (of course you'd propbably prefer
that).

Thanks for the detail images that support hair
being straight at the root and artificially curled
at the ends. The "Greek" examples reveal this
better than the one of Darius or the Medes
because with their heads uncovered it's plain
to see that above the curled tips the hair is not
naturally curly from the mid-lengths to the root.

So we see Persian art can depict a hairstyle of
straight/slightly wavy hair curled at the tips
and that Persians weren't the only people sporting
such a hairstyle.

The quality of bushy hair is no argument in favor
of black identity. Blacks and non-blacks both have
sported long bushy hairstyles. But I don't think
non-blacks sport nappy (helixical growing) hair,
you know, the kind of hair you are so ashamed of.

As previously noted Elamites are blacks. Greeks
believed that Medes are partially black from
a Colchidian component. They believed Persians
to be partially black as per the myth of Perseus
and Andromeda. Apparently Persians recognized
some attachment to Aithiopians as evidenced by
their depositing their crown emblems under care
of Kush at a time they feared conquest in war.

Anyway, the point I'm making about the Persians
and the Medes is that their hair was naturally
straight and/or slightly wavy not naturally
helixical (nappy/coily/kinky/woolly). If that
disturbs the need to make them blacks by those
who can find nothing lauditory in the blacks of
continental Africa, well, too too bad.

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Originally posted by alTakruri:
You'll have to do better than bait and switch.
That only works on those inattentive to detail
and particulars. Masha'i aren't Persians. Sabaeans
aren't Persians. Afars aren't Persians. Elamites
aren't Persians.

Presenting images of Elamites doesn't magically
turn Persian Darius into one. Same for the other
example of Medes I gave. In fact it just lends
support to my imitation-in-admiration speculation.

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