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alTakruri
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Jaime Pretell
Paralegal at United States Army Reserve
Greater Atlanta Area


Current

* Paralegal at United States Army Reserve

Past

* Bilingual Credit Counselor at Consumer Credit Counseling Services of Atlanta
* Bilingual Paralegal and Marketing Specialist at Speaker Law Firm
* Paralegal at Law Offices of Albert Zafonte Jr.

* Writer & Assistant Editor at Nuestro Ohio
* Volunteer at The Work Place Project
* Intern at Hofstra Housing Rights Clinic
* Co-Founder at Ritmo Productions
* Bilingual Sales Rep at Impulsewear Inc
* Intern at Project Chile

Education

* Hofstra University School of Law
* Ecole de Droit de Nice
* The Ohio State University

* Universidad Andres Bello
* Ohio Wesleyan University


Jaime Pretell’s Experience

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Paralegal
United States Army Reserve

(Government Agency; Military industry)

October 2004 — Present (5 years 3 months)

27D Army Paralegal ~ Completed a year of training that included Basic Combat Training and Advanced Individual Training with a certification in JAG paralegal specialty in Ft. Jackson, SC. Assigned to the 213th LSO. Currently ranked as a Specialist. In process of submitting officer package for Army JAG.
*
Bilingual Credit Counselor
Consumer Credit Counseling Services of Atlanta

(Non-Profit; Financial Services industry)

February 2007 — June 2008 (1 year 5 months)

Work as a Bilingual Consumer Credit Counselor in Housing, Budget and Credit, and Bankruptcy issues.
*
Bilingual Paralegal and Marketing Specialist
Speaker Law Firm

(Law Practice industry)

July 2006 — November 2006 (5 months)

Bilingual Paralegal, Domestic Relations, Personal Injury
▪ Focused on promotion of law firm to the Hispanic community in a start up venture
▪ Assisted in representing clients involved in divorce, alimony, child paternity, post-decree modification, personal injury, and enforcement litigation.
▪ Worked closely with clients answering their questions about the divorce & personal injury lawsuit processes.
▪ Prepared mandated discovery responses, financial affidavits, and documents for review by opposing parties.
▪ Reviewed, analyzed and indexed documents produced by client, opposing party and non-parties.
▪ Drafted legal memoranda, correspondence, pleadings, and discovery requests, including deposition notices and subpoenas for documents to non-parties and deposition witnesses.
▪ Prepared trial notebooks, witness subpoenas, and trial exhibits.
▪ Left job when law firm decided it could not maintain new Spanish branch of the firm.
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Paralegal
Law Offices of Albert Zafonte Jr.

(Law Practice industry)

August 2002 — November 2002 (4 months)

Part time Paralegal
▪ Assisted in representing clients involved in personal injury, and enforcement litigation.
▪ Prepared mandated discovery responses and documents for review by opposing parties.
▪ Reviewed and indexed documents produced by client, opposing party and non-parties.
▪ Drafted legal memoranda, correspondence, pleadings, and discovery requests, including deposition notices and subpoenas for documents to non-parties and deposition witnesses.
*
Writer & Assistant Editor
Nuestro Ohio

(Newspapers industry)

May 2002 — August 2002 (4 months)

Wrote and edited articles in Spanish and English oriented for the Hispanic community in Ohio. Assisted in the web design of the newspaper homepage.
*
Volunteer
The Work Place Project

(Non-Profit Organization Management industry)

February 2002 — May 2002 (4 months)

Organized and taught immigrant workers their legal rights. Performed legal research on labor and employment issues. Prepared campaign strategies to promote legal rights of workers.
*
Intern
Hofstra Housing Rights Clinic

(Legal Services industry)

January 2002 — May 2002 (5 months)

§ Assisted non-native speakers and indigent tenants in cases of eviction, breach of warranty of habitability, and enforcement of prior court decisions against landlords.
§ Wrote appellate briefs
§ Conducted client intake.
§ Worked closely with clients of varied socio-economic backgrounds.
*
Co-Founder
Ritmo Productions

(Marketing and Advertising industry)

October 1996 — June 2001 (4 years 9 months)

Organized/promoted Latin events throughout Ohio. Provided free Internet server for Hispanic oriented events. Extensive computer networking experience.
*
Bilingual Sales Rep
Impulsewear Inc

(Consumer Goods industry)

February 1998 — June 1999 (1 year 5 months)

Inbound/outbound call center, managed accounts in an 11-state territory and domestic Spanish speaking accounts. Provided sales and customer service support to all other accounts around the world. Worked as a tradeshow sales representative, specializing in domestic and international clients. Traveled to multiple countries in Europe and Latin America.
*
Intern
Project Chile

(International Trade and Development industry)

January 1996 — December 1996 (1 year )

· One of four students selected for a trade management program with Chilean companies.
· Developed a trade plan in the USA and implemented the plan with Muebles Temuco in Chile.

Jaime Pretell’s Education

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Hofstra University School of Law

Juris Doctorate , Law , 2000 — 2003

Activities and Societies:
Latin American Law Students’ Association-Vice President
Member of the Puerto Rican Legal Defense and Educational Fund, International Law Students' Association, Black Law Students' Association, Asian Pacific Law Students' Association, Hofstra Law Women, Phi Alpha Delta, Gaelic and Italian Law Students' Association

*
Ecole de Droit de Nice

N/A , International Law , 2001 — 2001

Activities and Societies:
International and comparative law study abroad program with Distinguished Professor, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg.

*
The Ohio State University

BA , International Relations , 1993 — 1997

Activities and Societies:
Concentration: Inter-Ethnic Relations, Social Psychology, Marketing, and International Business
Alpha Psi Lambda; Hispanic Interest Fraternity- Social Chair
Organization of Latinos in the Arts and Sciences- Founder
Member, Multi-Cultural Feasibility Task Force

*
Universidad Andres Bello

N/A , International Business , 1996 — 1996

Activities and Societies:
Took multiple courses in business and culture as a part of Project Chile

*
Ohio Wesleyan University

N/A , Pre Law , 1989 — 1991

Activities and Societies:
Horizons International
Amnesty International

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alTakruri
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Jaime

If you continue addressing me in abusive tones
your employer will receive a file detailing your
internet activities and your anti-black bias.

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And Salsassin will have a nice little law suit called Libel and Slander against you, since I am not even him. YOU HAVE SOME SERIOUS ISSUES FVCK FACE.

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alTakruri
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Alright Jaime, don't say you weren't foretold.
Anonymous mail cannot be traced to a pseudonym
thus you will never be able to file anything
against me. Libel and slander do not apply
in this instance anyway. That's why you're
just a paralegal and not a lawyer. Even the
basics escape you.

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quote:
Originally posted by Afronut Slayer:
And Salsassin will have a nice little law suit called Libel and Slander against you, since I am not even him. YOU HAVE SOME SERIOUS ISSUES FVCK FACE.

Whats the matter Jaime, feeling the heat? Your entire in the forum has been nothing but trolling and personal attacks, your hoe card has been pulled.
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This is hilarious! Go ahead, do what you want. I am going to quote every single post of this thread just incase you try to delete your post. That way we have documentation of what you said you would do; paper trail if you will.


quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Jaime

If you continue addressing me in abusive tones
your employer will receive a file detailing your
internet activities and your anti-black bias.


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documented...


quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Alright Jaime, don't say you weren't foretold.
Anonymous mail cannot be traced to a pseudonym
thus you will never be able to file anything
against me. Libel and slander do not apply
in this instance anyway. That's why you're
just a paralegal and not a lawyer. Even the
basics escape you.


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Some people are not worth a lawsuit.

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Oh, it's coming. No career and no commission for
you Jaime Pretell. Hope acting the fool and bigot
has been worth ruining your livlihood. Employers
and perspective employers carefully scrutinize
a prospects internet activities nowadays. They
will always find your name associated with vulgar
speech and racial bigotry and won't want their
business or concern besmirched with your ilk.

Saved posts from this forum will show I pleaded
with you for courtesy and maturity to no use as
you increased your rudeness instead of calming
down.

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Here you go, document this.

quote:
Originally posted by Afronut Slayer:
Originally posted by alTakruri:

quote:
If you continue to use this type of language when
addressing me you will come to sorely regret it.
I warn you, for the sake of your livihood, don't
try me.

I would like to greet you with a warm FVCK OFF PIECE OF ****! Yea clown, you should have never came at me side ways when I first came to the board. Had you dealt with me with respect, it would have begotten respect. But since you wanted to jump on the bandwagon of pouncing on me, I shall do likewise and return the favor. FVCK YOU AFROSCUM. Anytime, anyplace.


quote:

I can appreciate your attempts in discussing the
subject matter. You should note that the roots
of שְׂעַר and שָּׂעִיר are not the same.

Watch you get schooled (again)...

The word for hair in hebrew is [se'r]. The word for goat is [sa'yr]. Both words share the three-stem prime root [shin, ain, resh]. Mt. Seir also shares the same three-stem prime root. At this point, I wont even provide the scholarship. I want you to continue making an Afro-a*s of yourself, so that I can then provide the scholarship and make you look the fool.


quote:
Also that Esau who was hairy like a goat and came to inhabit Mt Seir is the very antithesis of the Israelite.
You really DON'T know anything about hebrew history and culture. Esav was Ya'qov's TWIN. Uh oh! The only difference between the twins was Esav had MUCH MORE HAIR.

quote:

Bottonline: Assyrians depicted Judahites with lamb's wool not goat fur.

Bottom line my a*s. You provide a relief that depicts ysraelis with stylized hair. You have no proof the hair is kinky. That is you putting your Afronut case twist on the archeology. I can argue the hair is curled and what you are seeing are swirlings in the hair.

FVCK OFF WITH YOUR WEAK A*S FAKE KNOWLEDGE CLOWN.


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quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Oh, it's coming. No career and no commission for
you Jaime Pretell. Hope acting the fool and bigot
has been worth ruining your livlihood. Employers
and perspective employers carefully scrutinize
a prospects internet activities nowadays. They
will always find your name associated with vulgar
speech and racial bigotry and won't want their
business or concern besmirched with your ilk.

Saved posts from this forum will show I pleaded
with you for courtesy and maturity to no use as
you increased your rudeness instead of calming
down.

Yes...even you were once a but a BABY with stinking diapers so....

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quote:
Originally posted by Recovering Afrocentrist:
This is hilarious! Go ahead, do what you want. I am going to quote every single post of this thread just incase you try to delete your post. That way we have documentation of what you said you would do; paper trail if you will.


quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Jaime

If you continue addressing me in abusive tones
your employer will receive a file detailing your
internet activities and your anti-black bias.


Why the multiple identities Jaime? How many accounts will you use in your pathetic, sissified, punkdafied, homofied attempt to throw people off your trail?
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Hey Jaime Pretell!! seek help...son, ah mean really!! what's about your life that got you soo
Fuc!ked-up? why do you think black people are the bane of your existance?...I wouldn't go bothering you about your professional life..ah mean hell I ain't got no letters in front of or behind my name either but ah hold ma own..whatever it is let go of da hate son.

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quote:
Originally posted by Afronut Slayer:
And Salsassin will have a nice little law suit called Libel and Slander against you, since I am not even him. YOU HAVE SOME SERIOUS ISSUES FVCK FACE.

Salsassin would not have a lawsuit. His frequent postings on the Web makes him a Public figure.

Salsassin is an evil person. You would not believe how many publications he has writtten to try to "blacklist me" based on my writings. Luckily no one has fail for his rantings. And in fact several have made me a peer reviewer.

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This man hates Afrocentric scholars because the former dean at Hofstra, Dr, John DeWitt Gregory honored Malcolm X. Since Salsassin was born an albino he became alienated, to light to be recognized as a member of his own family--but not light enough to "totally" pass for white so he hates himself.And anyone Black who loves theselves he despises.

Jaime can not understand why men like Dr. Gregory can admire a KNOWN Black radical and still find success , while he has the light skin but can not be the professor he trained to become because he is too stupid to pass the bar examine. He especially hates me because my PhD is in Ed Psych, but I am an established author in linguistic and other circles with only a Masters Degree, and teach Linguistics at Saint Xavier University. Jaime fails to understand you achieve success based on hard work--not just color; and that you only need a Master's degree to teach at a University.


Salsassin needs psychiatric help. This obvious by the fact he returns to this forum to be beat down regularly.

I have five sons myslef. I can imagine how sad his father feels that his son has a PhD in Law, but can only be a go-fer for lawyers who lack his qualifications.

Can you imagine how much hate has built up in this man over the past 6 years--not being able to pass the bar. He is afraid to cry and get help so when Jaime read a few books about Afrocentrict scholars being incompentent he felt he could erase his life as a failure by attacking Afrocentric scholars-but he failed to recognize that most published Afrocentric scholars are good social scientist.

Jaime is really ill today. If you go to his Youtube site he has began to attack AAs who claim their Indian heritage. The man is mad. Mad I tell you.


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It will show you are deluded. The only person you supposedely pleaded with was me, not Salsassin. People will see you are paranoid. The IP addresses of Salsassin and myself do not matchup. We are different people. But hey! do you and watch what Salsassin will do to you legally.

quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Oh, it's coming. No career and no commission for
you Jaime Pretell. Hope acting the fool and bigot
has been worth ruining your livlihood. Employers
and perspective employers carefully scrutinize
a prospects internet activities nowadays. They
will always find your name associated with vulgar
speech and racial bigotry and won't want their
business or concern besmirched with your ilk.

Saved posts from this forum will show I pleaded
with you for courtesy and maturity to no use as
you increased your rudeness instead of calming
down.


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Bwagahagahgahgah

I thought Al Takruri was just bluffing when he said you'll be sorry.
He means business!!!

Kalonji

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kalonji,

for the record, I am not Salsassin. Al-Takruri's behavior should show you why I treat that pu*sy the way I do. Why would he threaten someone's livelihood over a post on a newsgroup? Like I said, this clown drew first blood, which can be seen in his behavior here. I won't cease kicking this fool's as*. And if he ever step to me in real time, I will bring the fire to his as*. I will definitely go gully on him.


quote:
Originally posted by Kalonji:
Bwagahagahgahgah

I thought Al Takruri was just bluffing when he said you'll be sorry.
He means business!!!

Kalonji


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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
quote:
Originally posted by Afronut Slayer:
And Salsassin will have a nice little law suit called Libel and Slander against you, since I am not even him. YOU HAVE SOME SERIOUS ISSUES FVCK FACE.

Salsassin would not have a lawsuit. His frequent postings on the Web makes him a Public figure.

Salsassin is an evil person. You would not believe how many publications he has writtten to try to "blacklist me" based on my writings. Luckily no one has fail for his rantings. And in fact several have made me a peer reviewer.

 -

This man hates Afrocentric scholars because the former dean at Hofstra, Dr, John DeWitt Gregory honored Malcolm X. Since Salsassin was born an albino he became alienated, to light to be recognized as a member of his own family--but not light enough to "totally" pass for white so he hates himself.And anyone Black who loves theselves he despises.

Jaime can not understand why men like Dr. Gregory can admire a KNOWN Black radical and still find success , while he has the light skin but can not be the professor he trained to become because he is too stupid to pass the bar examine. He especially hates me because my PhD is in Ed Psych, but I am an established author in linguistic and other circles with only a Masters Degree, and teach Linguistics at Saint Xavier University. Jaime fails to understand you achieve success based on hard work--not just color; and that you only need a Master's degree to teach at a University.


Salsassin needs psychiatric help. This obvious by the fact he returns to this forum to be beat down regularly.

I have five sons myslef. I can imagine how sad his father feels that his son has a PhD in Law, but can only be a go-fer for lawyers who lack his qualifications.

Can you imagine how much hate has built up in this man over the past 6 years--not being able to pass the bar. He is afraid to cry and get help so when Jaime read a few books about Afrocentrict scholars being incompentent he felt he could erase his life as a failure by attacking Afrocentric scholars-but he failed to recognize that most published Afrocentric scholars are good social scientist.

Jaime is really ill today. If you go to his Youtube site he has began to attack AAs who claim their Indian heritage. The man is mad. Mad I tell you.


.


.

A Juris Doctor (JD) certification is not the equivalent of a PH.D in law. That would be a Juris Doctor Science (JDS). A JD is just a Bachelor's Degree in law.

Jamie Pretell is a double liard! A Lizarda!

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quote:
Originally posted by Recovering Afrocentrist:
kalonji,

for the record, I am not Salsassin. Al-Takruri's behavior should show you why I treat that pu*sy the way I do. Why would he threaten someone's livelihood over a post on a newsgroup? Like I said, this clown drew first blood, which can be seen in his behavior here. I won't cease kicking this fool's as*. And if he ever step to me in real time, I will bring the fire to his as*. I will definitely go gully on him.


There is nothing wrong in threatening your livelihood you hsve done the same thing to other people Salsassin so turn about is fair play.

Now that I know who your employer is and I have copied your statements where you declare you are Salsassin, Jaime I may expose you myself if I hear of you contacting anyone else trying to ruin my reputation. As you found out when contacted IJHG, the editors are going to allow me to respond to your statements.

In your letter to IJHG you climed you were a lawyer. I sent them a copy of your resume and they saw you are just a liar.

I will be watching you Jaime.

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Are you guys serious?! Where have I declared that I am salsassin? Am I dealing with certified nutjobs on this newsgroup or something? This is totally bizzare. Please Clyde, post up the link to the thread where I admit to being Salsassin.

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quote:
Originally posted by Recovering Afrocentrist:
Are you guys serious?! Where have I declared that I am salsassin? Am I dealing with certified nutjobs on this newsgroup or something? This is totally bizzare. Please Clyde, post up the link to the thread where I admit to being Salsassin.

Here:


quote:
Originally posted by Recovering Afrocentrist:
This is hilarious! Go ahead, do what you want. I am going to quote every single post of this thread just incase you try to delete your post. That way we have documentation of what you said you would do; paper trail if you will.


Why do this if you are not Salsassin

During discovery I will request a list of all your email addresses and even request Youtube,MySpace etc. to send me all the information they have on you.

I don't have a law degree but when I sued ISU I was able to get my case almost to the Supreme court. So it will be no problem writing the necessary motions for discovery.


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^LOL, good question.

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RFLOL!! Yo Clyde Winters, you sir are a nutjob.


quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
quote:
Originally posted by Recovering Afrocentrist:
Are you guys serious?! Where have I declared that I am salsassin? Am I dealing with certified nutjobs on this newsgroup or something? This is totally bizzare. Please Clyde, post up the link to the thread where I admit to being Salsassin.

Here:


quote:
Originally posted by Recovering Afrocentrist:
This is hilarious! Go ahead, do what you want. I am going to quote every single post of this thread just incase you try to delete your post. That way we have documentation of what you said you would do; paper trail if you will.


Why do this if you are not Salsassin

During discovery I will request a list of all you email addresses and even request Youtube,MySpace etc. to send me all the information they have on you.

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quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Jaime

If you continue addressing me in abusive tones
your employer will receive a file detailing your
internet activities and your anti-black bias.

LOL. I'm real scared. One, there is nothing here that my unit wouldn't know about as I debate my afrocentric fellow soldiers all the time. Furthermore, most of my friends agree with me.

But write away. Anonymous accusations are usually ignored, and if you present a formal accusation, well, the law requires that I confront my accuser, bye bye anonymity. So dream on about your delusions of affecting my life in any way.
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Alright Jaime, don't say you weren't foretold.
Anonymous mail cannot be traced to a pseudonym
thus you will never be able to file anything
against me. Libel and slander do not apply
in this instance anyway. That's why you're
just a paralegal and not a lawyer. Even the
basics escape you.

Keep showing you are just a moron who thinks anyone that debates you is me. LOL. Shows how much I got under your skin. I would never wast my time with slander charges for an internet debate. I don't have the thin skin you obviously do. SO do you dream about me a break into cold sweats? LMAO!!

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A Juris Doctor (JD) certification is not the equivalent of a PH.D in law. That would be a Juris Doctor Science (JDS). A JD is just a Bachelor's Degree in law.

Jamie Pretell is a double liard! A Lizarda!

What a moron. there is no such thing as a JDS.
There is a Juris Doctorate which is a doctorate. Period.
then you have an LLM. I'm always entertained when GED morons try to talk about other people's education.

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Originally posted by Recovering Afrocentrist:
Are you guys serious?! Where have I declared that I am salsassin? Am I dealing with certified nutjobs on this newsgroup or something? This is totally bizzare. Please Clyde, post up the link to the thread where I admit to being Salsassin.

Here:


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Originally posted by Recovering Afrocentrist:
This is hilarious! Go ahead, do what you want. I am going to quote every single post of this thread just incase you try to delete your post. That way we have documentation of what you said you would do; paper trail if you will.


Why do this if you are not Salsassin

During discovery I will request a list of all your email addresses and even request Youtube,MySpace etc. to send me all the information they have on you.

I don't have a law degree but when I sued ISU I was able to get my case almost to the Supreme court. So it will be no problem writing the necessary motions for discovery.


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You mean when they filed a motion to dismiss and your case got dismissed? Oh please. You lost like a fool. For trying to pretend you had knowledge in yet another field. And your investigative skills are amusing. No wonder the police rejected you. So Clyde, are you going to get depressed, I don't want to be blamed for a suicide. Breathe deeply.
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quote:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
A Juris Doctor (JD) certification is not the equivalent of a PH.D in law. That would be a Juris Doctor Science (JDS). A JD is just a Bachelor's Degree in law.

Jamie Pretell is a double liard! A Lizarda!

What a moron. there is no such thing as a JDS.
There is a Juris Doctorate which is a doctorate. Period.
then you have an LLM. I'm always entertained when GED morons try to talk about other people's education.

The JD is not a doctoral degree, but a professional degree. It does not grant one the ability to use the Doctor title. On the other hand, a Doctorate in Judicial Science (or SJD) involves such privileges.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juris_Doctor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Juridical_Science

PS: I don't study law. Hell, I'm far away from the arts, but I even knew this.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bob_01:
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
A Juris Doctor (JD) certification is not the equivalent of a PH.D in law. That would be a Juris Doctor Science (JDS). A JD is just a Bachelor's Degree in law.

Jamie Pretell is a double liard! A Lizarda!

What a moron. there is no such thing as a JDS.
There is a Juris Doctorate which is a doctorate. Period.
then you have an LLM. I'm always entertained when GED morons try to talk about other people's education.

The JD is not a doctoral degree, but a professional degree. It does not grant one the ability to use the Doctor title. On the other hand, a Doctorate in Judicial Science (or SJD) involves such privileges.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juris_Doctor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Juridical_Science

PS: I don't study law. Hell, I'm far away from the arts, but I even knew this.

LOL. DJS, not JDS. Maybe if you state the claim correctly you would get the right response. There is no JDS. A Doctorate in Juridical Science is not a Juris Doctorate in Science. Try again.
As for wiki read more carefully:
"Juris Doctor is a professional doctorate."
Still a doctorate.
M.D. is also a professional doctorate. Please tell me an M.D. can not use the title doctor. So I can laugh my ass off at you once more.
The American Bar Association permits J.D. holders in the United States to use the title of "Doctor,"
What it isn't, is a academic doctorate, like a Ph.D. Still a doctorate, and still the valid title of Dr. But me, personally, I only call those in the scientific fields doctors.

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quote:
Originally posted by Chimu:
quote:
Originally posted by Bob_01:
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
A Juris Doctor (JD) certification is not the equivalent of a PH.D in law. That would be a Juris Doctor Science (JDS). A JD is just a Bachelor's Degree in law.

Jamie Pretell is a double liard! A Lizarda!

What a moron. there is no such thing as a JDS.
There is a Juris Doctorate which is a doctorate. Period.
then you have an LLM. I'm always entertained when GED morons try to talk about other people's education.

The JD is not a doctoral degree, but a professional degree. It does not grant one the ability to use the Doctor title. On the other hand, a Doctorate in Judicial Science (or SJD) involves such privileges.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juris_Doctor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Juridical_Science

PS: I don't study law. Hell, I'm far away from the arts, but I even knew this.

LOL. DJS, not JDS. Maybe if you state the claim correctly you would get the right response. There is no JDS. A Doctorate in Juridical Science is not a Juris Doctorate in Science. Try again.
As for wiki read more carefully:
"Juris Doctor is a professional doctorate."
Still a doctorate.
M.D. is also a professional doctorate. Please tell me an M.D. can not use the title doctor. So I can laugh my ass off at you once more.
The American Bar Association permits J.D. holders in the United States to use the title of "Doctor,"
What it isn't, is a academic doctorate, like a Ph.D. Still a doctorate, and still the valid title of Dr. But me, personally, I only call those in the scientific fields doctors.

It's an SJD. The wikipedia article even states that. The doctorate grants the use of the Doctor title. However its distinction with the PhD is that it's more geared to professional research. A true research-based degree at the highest level is the PhD or SJD.

On the other hand, MD is a professional doctorate that grants the use of the title, doctor. Not only that, but a MD can be considered equivalent to a PhD in clinical research.

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: the lowest degree conferred by a law school usually after three years of full-time study or its equivalent —compare MASTER OF LAWS, DOCTOR OF LAWS, DOCTOR OF THE SCIENCE OF LAW
NOTE: The juris doctor replaced the bachelor of laws as the first degree conferred by a law school in 1969. Not all states mention the J.D. or LL.B. specifically as a requirement for admission to the bar, but all states do require graduation from a law school Link

PS: I don't know how it is in the United States, but elsewhere that is the case.
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quote:
Originally posted by Bob_01:
It's an SJD. The wikipedia article even states that. The doctorate grants the use of the Doctor title. However its distinction with the PhD is that it's more geared to professional research. A true research-based degree at the highest level is the PhD or SJD.

I stand corrected as to the initials. Not the title. Not that I have any desire to be a research fellow in law. My interest was international law and its applicability to international affairs.

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On the other hand, MD is a professional doctorate that grants the use of the title, doctor.
So does the JD. Not that I consider them equivalent, but it is what it is. Real doctors have to do a lot more than lawyers.
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Not only that, but a MD can be considered equivalent to a PhD in clinical research.
Could be. Both my parents are doctors and I know they studied a lot more than I.

Either way, it is still a doctorate, even if it was lawyers being lawyers to get it to be so, and you can use the title doctor. I don't.

And the only claim I have ever made was that I was a law school graduate and I passed the bar, so all the semantics are entertaining but irrelevant. The only reason why they were brought up in the first place was because someone was claiming, 1. to have a degree they did not have. And the degree (an MA) they did have was not in the field they claimed expertise in.

Finally, my past resume is posted because a moron thought someone else was me. Bottom line.

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Just clarifying. I am studying medicine. while my girlfriend is studying law. From what I've seen, that's the difference between the two. An MD opens avenues to clinical research, while a JD on its own would be much more limited in the research arena.

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So does the JD. Not that I consider them equivalent, but it is what it is. Real doctors have to do a lot more than lawyers.
Seems like in the United States, the usage was allowed recently. It isn't in other common law nations, as far as I know.

PS: I don't understand the history behind this thread. However these tensions seems rather stupid.

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This thread is indicative of the OP suffering from Paranoia Schizophrenia. Many Afrocentrists have some form of mental illness - case in pt. Mr. Clyde Winters who speaks in the third person when referring to himself and his buddy, the dude who started this thread. I am happy Salsassin set the record straight.
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quote:
Originally posted by Bob_01:
Just clarifying. I am studying medicine. while my girlfriend is studying law. From what I've seen, that's the difference between the two. An MD opens avenues to clinical research, while a JD on its own would be much more limited in the research arena.

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So does the JD. Not that I consider them equivalent, but it is what it is. Real doctors have to do a lot more than lawyers.
Seems like in the United States, the usage was allowed recently. It isn't in other common law nations, as far as I know.

PS: I don't understand the history behind this thread. However these tensions seems rather stupid.

LOL. More humorous than anything. Clyde Winters lied about his credentials. I called him on it on youtube and pointed out that we both had degrees that did not make us experts in the subject discussed. Then Clyde went on this rampage with his buddies humorously trying to character assassinate me because I proved he had lied. Very amusing. Especially them thinking I was other people on this board. I haven't been on here for almost a year, if not more.
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quote:
Originally posted by Chimu:
quote:
Originally posted by Bob_01:
Just clarifying. I am studying medicine. while my girlfriend is studying law. From what I've seen, that's the difference between the two. An MD opens avenues to clinical research, while a JD on its own would be much more limited in the research arena.

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So does the JD. Not that I consider them equivalent, but it is what it is. Real doctors have to do a lot more than lawyers.
Seems like in the United States, the usage was allowed recently. It isn't in other common law nations, as far as I know.

PS: I don't understand the history behind this thread. However these tensions seems rather stupid.

LOL. More humorous than anything. Clyde Winters lied about his credentials. I called him on it on youtube and pointed out that we both had degrees that did not make us experts in the subject discussed. Then Clyde went on this rampage with his buddies humorously trying to character assassinate me because I proved he had lied. Very amusing. Especially them thinking I was other people on this board. I haven't been on here for almost a year, if not more.
I always thought Clyde specialized in education. Some here emphasized that right when I joined. He always seem to me as one who didn't necessarily conform to "mainstream" ideas.

That is, the paradigm that those with terminal qualifications with topic at hand would have greatest merit. The problem here is that if he were to receive a PhD in education, how could he earn an additional terminal degree outside of this area?

I would assume that some coursework and/or personal research in the area ought to be enough. I've seen a numbered failed receiving PhDs in both applied mathematics and physics. I doubt he'd be able to do that with a PhD in the field of linguistics.

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Some people take the internet way too seriously. [Roll Eyes]

Salsassin = Chimu

I highly doubt that Salsa is either Afronut Slaver or Recovering Afrocentrist. I suspect that those two are the same person given their verbiage and approach to debate but one thing is clear they are definitely racist trolls.

I may disagree with alot of things Salsa has said but I don't believe him to be a racist and doubt he is either of these trolls.

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This is some crazy shyte. Destruction comes from within. Not from outside.

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