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It's well known Hitler assisted Ethiopia during Ethiopia's war with Italy in 1935. But this wasn't because Hitler was 'fond' of Ethiopia, it was purely political and in some cases, financial.

"The Italo-Ethiopian war made possible the Italy-German rapprochement because Hitler did not apply sanctions against Italy and made it available to Italy certain boycotted products, such as coal, allowing Mussolini to challenge the international community and with the war.However, in spite of the fact that Germany had adopted a neutral policy, Hitler secretly authorized a 3 billion mark credit to Ethiopia to buy arms.."

SOURCE http://tinyurl.com/ygu2nfg


"Germany became aware that its re-armament was worrying the European continent, and that it would become a target. When Pierre Laval signed the treaty with Italy, Germany became increasingly aware of the resistance presented by many European powers. In an internal document, a German representative in Ethiopia discussed with Emperor Haile Selassie the supply of modern arms and material for chemical warfare. If the Germans’ offer of arms was favorable, Ethiopia was to send a representative to Berlin to discuss the situation.10 Germany later said internally that it and Ethiopia had the same interests, and that a conflict with Italy over the Austrian question would be inevitable.11 Germany was aware that Mussolini, along with Britain and France, did not favor his involvement with Austria. Hitler felt that the only way to be able to take over Austria was to arm the Ethiopians as much as possible so that they would offer the greatest resistance toward the Italians. With the Italians distracted, Hitler would go into Austria. Hitler kept this plan secret, because he was aware of the complicated European political situation.12
German firms saw an interest in Ethiopia like the Italians did, but not for the same reasons. Companies such as Rheinmetall and Krupp Steel were aware that Ethiopia desperately needed supplies, and they could provide them.13 They helped supply the weapons to Ethiopia that were agreed to by Selassie and Hitler. The fact that Ethiopia was on the verge of entering war meant that they need to buy as many supplies as possible to prepare. German firms were prepared to offer Ethiopians what they needed in order to profit. Italy also saw an economic interest in Ethiopia because Mussolini was aware that Ethiopia had a large amount of natural resources, and Italy could improve its struggling economy. With an already struggling economy, Italy was desperate to look for solutions for this problem, and Ethiopia became a possible solution.

Emperor Haile Selassie would of course try and take the offer made by the Germans, and Ethiopia would receive some weapons from German firms.14 Emperor Selassie knew that Italy was a large military power, and it needed to arm immediately. Both Germany and Ethiopia felt they would win through this arms deal. With Mussolini sending troops into British Somaliland to prepare for the imminent invasion, Ethiopia had to speed up the process of the deal.15 Germany began to play a large role in the imminent war by causing panic in Europe while making deals with Ethiopia to stop Italy from conquest.
When the main invasion began in October of 1935, German officials discussed the situation. Communications showed that Germany wished to remain a “non-participant,” and with Italy diverted away from Europe and the League of Nations weakened, Germany focused on the Austrian question.16 It watched the Italian conflict, but Emperor Haile Selassie was aware that he was outnumbered, and Germany felt that Italy would likely succeed. Germany now knew that this was the time to take advantage of the European political situation, and it hoped that the Italo-Abyssinian conflict would continue for a long period of time so that it could begin its expansion plans.
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SOURCE: http://tinyurl.com/ylcdh9u


I'll respond to the other stuff when I have more time. Peace for now and let your sources do the talking.

There was even some theories that Ethiopians were a type of Aryan. One thing that lives in infamy is the fact that there were Ethiopian Nazis.

Believe it or not!

No other European country came to the aide of Ethiopia. They all refused to back a Black country against a White - this was specifically there statement. Only Hitler helped Ethiopia.

My point is that Race Cults are not based on anything rationale. Remember, Hitler himself was most likely part Jewish.

Arrant nonsense! Italy and Germany were members of the Axis power together with Japan on one side. They were supported by many European country, and (even the Arab mutif of Jerusalem) and preached an extreme form of racism.

How then would KKK German Hitler love the Ethiopians (Black men and women) so much more than his Aryan brothers of Italy that he would even arm them to kill Italians. Arrant nonsense.

It was the Eriterians, colonized in mind and body that provided aid and support to the invading Italians. Many Eriterians were regulars and porters for the Italian army, and when Italy was defeated and expelled from Ethiopia, most of the defeated soldiers straggled back to Eriteria to lick their wounds, and breed more bastards to make trouble for Africa another day!

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Huh what? I think you need to go back and read what betty wrote, see what i quoted, and read my reply. Reading and comprehension FTW.

Its all good though. [/QB]

my sincerest apologies to you bro. I had mistaken you for someone else. I had confused you for one of the rastafarian trolls.
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Now before I state what I am going to say, Let me say that Ethiopia and Eritrea should not be fighting against each other.

Ethiopia is addicted to three things: Wars, fictional history (they even claim they were the Ethiopians who ruled ancient Kemet, in addition to their King Solomon and queen of sheba fairytale) and western/eastern aid. 97% of Ethiopia's government budget comes from aid aka hand outs.

Eritreans just want to be left alone. We're proud of our African roots. We don't claim we come from a fake king that never existed called solomon. Nor are there 250,000 of our citizens who left our country for Israel, claiming they are a lost jewish tribe, when in reality, they are just Cushitic agaw Ethiopians who have no connection to the middle east as DNA has proven.


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These two countries will forever be linked because they are basically the same people. It really is sad that these countries people are still at each others throats after all these years, You would think that they would know that they are playing right into the hands of the elite and there divide and conquer tactics.

There are 13 ethnic groups in Eritrea and 82 ethnic groups in Ethiopia. Eritreans are as different from one another as they are to Ethiopians.

What similarities do you see with these Rashaida-Eritreans with Amhara/Oromo Ethiopians?


To read more about how these people below came to Eritrea, read this: http://www.madote.com/2010/02/eritrea-rashaida-people.html

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Now from what I have read about Eritrea They were colonized by Italy in the 1900's.

If you read the links I've provided, you'd know Eritrea was colonized by Italy from 1880-1941. While was an Italian protectorate between 1889 and 1896. Then later, Ethiopia lost its 40s years of independence when Italians conquered it and colonized it from 1936 to 1941. In just 6 years, Italians built more infustructure in Ethiopia then both Haile Selassie and Menelik combined. Till this day, the majority of the paved roads in Ethiopia were Italian built from that period.


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They did not fight for liberation from Italy, but they were ready to fight Ethiopia. Could the reason be that they were "Okay" with being colonized by Europeans but were fighting mad about Ethiopia colonizing them.

Eritreans did fight Italians but guess what, It was the Ethiopians who assisted the Italians in helping them quell the Eritrean uprising. But don't take my word for it, here are sources.

During this time, a few Eritrean chiefs did welcome the Italian occupation. The bitter wars with Tigray warlords who were armed and supplied by the British, and the savagery shown by Alula during his brief occupation of the Eritrean highlands was enough evidence for them to welcome the lessor of two evils. In addition to that, an epic famine of biblical proportion was going on. However, there were other leaders who demanded complete independence of Medri Bahri/Eritrea and to end the infant Italian occupation. Some of those Medri Bahri leaders was Lij Beyene and Bahta Hagos. They started a small uprising in the Eritrean highlands from Italian rule. Bahta Hagos and Lij Beyene had limited amount of weapons, so they put their bitter differences aside with the Tigrayan-Ethiopians and asked the Tigrayan leader of Alula and Yohannes' son of Mengesha for weapons and ammunition to sustain the uprising in Eritrea. However, instead of giving them some of their British supplied weapons, they used them as political tool to make a last ditch effort to win the hearts of the Italians. They incarcerated the Eritrean rebels and sent them to the Italians, hoping to be rewarded for their loyalty to Italy.


" the anti-Italian Lij Beyene for a meeting (Mr Hagai spelled it as Bayyana) and treacherously imprisoned him in the hope of getting a favor from General Baratieri who was then visiting Seraye at that time. Word got out to the castle of Ras Mengesha who was then in Mekele, and not to be outdone by Alula's contact to Baratieri, Mengesha and Ras Hagos came running to Adwa. Upon their arrival, Mengesha ordered Alula to hand over Lij Beyene to the Italians. Alula fearing that the Italians will give credit to Mengesha and not him, he refused the hand over. In response to Alula's refusal, Mengesha sent Ras Hagos with an armed escort to Alula's camp, where they took custody of the rebel and delivered him to the Italians."

See, Ethiopia and Eritrea During the Scramble for Africa By Ḥagai Erlikh, Page 180
SOURCE: http://tinyurl.com/q7nhbo


After the Eritrean rebel leaders were captured, thanks to their loyal Ethiopian puppets, they were able to control Eritrea. Mind you, the Italians had superior weapons and the Eritrean people were not unified. In addition to that, Eritrea's population at the time was only 300,000 and the Italians sent in 35,000 men with modern weapons.

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Part 2 ---this forum isn't allowing me to post my original post into one post, so i've decided to split it into two sections.

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Originally posted by KING:
Is it safe to say that self Hatred fueled their 30 year war against Ethiopia. I say this not to pick a fight or make people angry, but the TRUTH needs to be understood. This also may play into why "Some" Eritreans think they are not linked with other Africans.

It's safe to say Eritreans defeating Haile Selassie was an African triumph. It's also safe to say that you don't know what you're talking about.

Let me remind you who these Ethiopian leaders were. They worshiped the white man like no other uncle toms. Here are some quotes to remind you.

After allowing British troops to defeat the so-called emperor Tewodros, they rewarded Yohannes with training and modern weapons. So much is talked about the battle of adwa, but just 10 years before it, Abyssinia was crushed and defeated by the British and the one to allow this was the next so called leader named Yohannes, who worked hand in glove in the defeat of his county (not really a country, but various regions were one warlord defeats others and calls himself the descendant of solomon and dumb foreigners use Portugese terms of "abyssinia" for it, despite that area having different kingdoms who speak different languages).


Through out most of his reign, Yohannes stayed in close contact with the British. He wrote many letters to British leaders and often regarded the British has his 'protectors'.

"I have now another mother and another protector among the European kings and people: Only believe England as my country: if my country is fair in the religion and love of our Lord Jesus Christ we are one and near. I cannot believe that your Majesty shall separate me from your children."

SOURCE: http://tinyurl.com/yj3krxy


Although Menelik is regarded as fighting colonialism by Ethiopian scholars and others alike, it was Menelik himself who worked alongside with Italians colonialist, going as far as stating that he himself felt "half Italian" and wished no greater desire then to visiting Italy. Menelik told then Italian representative to Abyssinia, Count Antonelli:

"that he loved Italy so much that he felt 'half Italian and no greater wish that to go there and see it'

Source: http://tinyurl.com/yfe7f7c


Menelik himself viewed the Italians as close allies and at times, his protectors. In a letter written to the then Italian King Umberto, Menelik begged the King of Italy to protect him from his enemies; namely Yohannes, and he reassured the Italian king that his region was theirs to share with.

"I beg Your Majesty to defend me against every one as I don't know what European kings will say about this let others know that this region is ours."

Souce: http://tinyurl.com/ygbkf7y


Just like the Tigrayan leaders of Alula and Mengesha, Menelik of showa had begged the Italians to occupy Medri-Bahri (Eritrean highlands) as well, despite the fact that he had no control over that region.


"Via Antonelli's courier, Menelik informed the King of Italy that he would like the Italian soldiers to occupy Asmara, in order to discourage the imperial pretensions of Mengesha Yohannes (the son of Emperor Yohannes)." "There after," added Menelik, "God will give me the throne that for many years I have had the right to have."

Source: http://tinyurl.com/ylkbywh


Then who can forget both Menelik and Selassie stating they were not Africans? Is there anything more than self-hate than what menelik and Selassie stated and did?

'I am not a Negro at all; I am a Caucasian' the Emperor Menelik told the West Indian pan-Africanist Benito Sylvian who had come to Addis Ababa to solicit the Emperor's leadership in a society for the 'Amelioration of the Negro race.' Haile Sellassie confirmed that view in a declaration to Chief H. O. Davis, a well known Nigerian nationalist, stating that the Ethiopians did not regard themselves as Africans, but as 'a mixed Hamito-Semitic people


SOUCE: http://tinyurl.com/ykzml4h


How can you justify this? Poor Marcus Gravey came to talk with Selassie and he snubbed the black nationalist Marcus Gravey because he was black.

When Haile Selassie fled to London, Gravey tried to contact him but was snubbed, and it was reported that "the emperor did not desire any contact with 'Negroes.'"

Sourece: http://tinyurl.com/yzabdxz


If that wasn't bad enough, when the Italians started the war with Selassie, this coward tried to sell Ethiopia to Italy for money and offered to be a vessel leader in the areas that he didn't sell, namely showa, where his Oromo self comes from. What a joke, this is the leader you call dignified? The Eritreans say, the fastest track star to ever live was Halie Selassie--he ran so fast to England when the Italians came in 1935 that some scholars argue his sprint record will never be broken...But lets get back to sources, read:


In his desperate act to hold power, Haile Selassie now made a secret peace overture to Mussolini, sending a former Ethiopian Minister in Rome to contact the Italian consul in Djibouti. He offered to sell a large part of Ethiopia to Italy for one and half milliard Lira and to appoint six Italian advisors to direct the policy of his government. Mussolini sent sourteous reply to the intermediary, expressing his pleasure that the Negus had at last decided to negotiate directly with him; but he said the offer was unacceptable."

SOURCE: http://tinyurl.com/yfjsukm
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Lastly here's marcus Gravey describing Halie Selassie in his final years. Mind you, this quote was written after Haile Sealssie fled for England and had refused to speak to him because he was black. If the great Marcus Gravey aka the Pophet of Rastafarians is telling you Haile Selassie was a black hating racist bigot who was a coward, then why on earth would you sit here trying to defend him? Read the great Marcus Gravey describing your track star hero selassie:

"Mussolini of Italy has conquered Haile Selassie of Abyssinia, but he has not conquered the Abyssinians nor Abyssinia. The Emperor of Abyssinia allowed himself to be conquered, by playing white, by trusting to white advisers and by relying white Governments, including the white League of Nations.We can remember in 1920 inviting the Government of Abyssinia to send representatives to the International Convention of the Negro Peoples of the world in common with other Negro Conventions, the Abyssinian Government returned the communication unopened. Its policy then, as during the Italo-Abyssinian war, was no doubt to rely completely on the advice and friendship of white people. They ignored Negro relationship[s] from without and throttled Negro aspirations from within. The result was that they dragged along without any racial policy, except that of the ruling classes, believing themselves white and better than the rest, with a right to suppress the darker elements which make up the tremendous population."

SOURCE: http://tinyurl.com/yl9xm4e


If you want to read more quotes of Ethiopian leaders worshiping whites or working with colonalist, I suggest you read up on this article that's sourced from head to toe: http://www.madote.com/2010/03/were-ethiopian-leaders-colonialist.html


That's Self-hate. In addition to all that you just read, Ethiopia is the only country in Africa where over 250,000 of their citizen were moved to white European infested Israel based on fictional history that DNA has proven is fake. Despite this, the Israeli government knowing the Ethiopian Faslsha had no genetic links with them, they still excepted them not out of good will but because they want to use these self-hating Africans as canoon fodders for their wars with the Arabs. Now that's self hate!

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quote:
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Originally posted by osirion:
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Originally posted by 85500:
It's well known Hitler assisted Ethiopia during Ethiopia's war with Italy in 1935. But this wasn't because Hitler was 'fond' of Ethiopia, it was purely political and in some cases, financial.

"The Italo-Ethiopian war made possible the Italy-German rapprochement because Hitler did not apply sanctions against Italy and made it available to Italy certain boycotted products, such as coal, allowing Mussolini to challenge the international community and with the war.However, in spite of the fact that Germany had adopted a neutral policy, Hitler secretly authorized a 3 billion mark credit to Ethiopia to buy arms.."

SOURCE http://tinyurl.com/ygu2nfg


"Germany became aware that its re-armament was worrying the European continent, and that it would become a target. When Pierre Laval signed the treaty with Italy, Germany became increasingly aware of the resistance presented by many European powers. In an internal document, a German representative in Ethiopia discussed with Emperor Haile Selassie the supply of modern arms and material for chemical warfare. If the Germans’ offer of arms was favorable, Ethiopia was to send a representative to Berlin to discuss the situation.10 Germany later said internally that it and Ethiopia had the same interests, and that a conflict with Italy over the Austrian question would be inevitable.11 Germany was aware that Mussolini, along with Britain and France, did not favor his involvement with Austria. Hitler felt that the only way to be able to take over Austria was to arm the Ethiopians as much as possible so that they would offer the greatest resistance toward the Italians. With the Italians distracted, Hitler would go into Austria. Hitler kept this plan secret, because he was aware of the complicated European political situation.12
German firms saw an interest in Ethiopia like the Italians did, but not for the same reasons. Companies such as Rheinmetall and Krupp Steel were aware that Ethiopia desperately needed supplies, and they could provide them.13 They helped supply the weapons to Ethiopia that were agreed to by Selassie and Hitler. The fact that Ethiopia was on the verge of entering war meant that they need to buy as many supplies as possible to prepare. German firms were prepared to offer Ethiopians what they needed in order to profit. Italy also saw an economic interest in Ethiopia because Mussolini was aware that Ethiopia had a large amount of natural resources, and Italy could improve its struggling economy. With an already struggling economy, Italy was desperate to look for solutions for this problem, and Ethiopia became a possible solution.

Emperor Haile Selassie would of course try and take the offer made by the Germans, and Ethiopia would receive some weapons from German firms.14 Emperor Selassie knew that Italy was a large military power, and it needed to arm immediately. Both Germany and Ethiopia felt they would win through this arms deal. With Mussolini sending troops into British Somaliland to prepare for the imminent invasion, Ethiopia had to speed up the process of the deal.15 Germany began to play a large role in the imminent war by causing panic in Europe while making deals with Ethiopia to stop Italy from conquest.
When the main invasion began in October of 1935, German officials discussed the situation. Communications showed that Germany wished to remain a “non-participant,” and with Italy diverted away from Europe and the League of Nations weakened, Germany focused on the Austrian question.16 It watched the Italian conflict, but Emperor Haile Selassie was aware that he was outnumbered, and Germany felt that Italy would likely succeed. Germany now knew that this was the time to take advantage of the European political situation, and it hoped that the Italo-Abyssinian conflict would continue for a long period of time so that it could begin its expansion plans.
"

SOURCE: http://tinyurl.com/ylcdh9u


I'll respond to the other stuff when I have more time. Peace for now and let your sources do the talking.

There was even some theories that Ethiopians were a type of Aryan. One thing that lives in infamy is the fact that there were Ethiopian Nazis.

Believe it or not!

No other European country came to the aide of Ethiopia. They all refused to back a Black country against a White - this was specifically there statement. Only Hitler helped Ethiopia.

My point is that Race Cults are not based on anything rationale. Remember, Hitler himself was most likely part Jewish.

Arrant nonsense! Italy and Germany were members of the Axis power together with Japan on one side. They were supported by many European country, and (even the Arab mutif of Jerusalem) and preached an extreme form of racism.

How then would KKK German Hitler love the Ethiopians (Black men and women) so much more than his Aryan brothers of Italy that he would even arm them to kill Italians. Arrant nonsense.

It was the Eriterians, colonized in mind and body that provided aid and support to the invading Italians. Many Eriterians were regulars and porters for the Italian army, and when Italy was defeated and expelled from Ethiopia, most of the defeated soldiers straggled back to Eriteria to lick their wounds, and breed more bastards to make trouble for Africa another day!

You seem to be arguing against the facts. There is clear evidence that Hitler gave weapons to Ethiopia.


Most people consider it a way of trying to draw Italy into an alliance with Germany.

???

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:
Originally posted by osirion:
quote:
Originally posted by 85500:
It's well known Hitler assisted Ethiopia during Ethiopia's war with Italy in 1935. But this wasn't because Hitler was 'fond' of Ethiopia, it was purely political and in some cases, financial.

"The Italo-Ethiopian war made possible the Italy-German rapprochement because Hitler did not apply sanctions against Italy and made it available to Italy certain boycotted products, such as coal, allowing Mussolini to challenge the international community and with the war.However, in spite of the fact that Germany had adopted a neutral policy, Hitler secretly authorized a 3 billion mark credit to Ethiopia to buy arms.."

SOURCE http://tinyurl.com/ygu2nfg


"Germany became aware that its re-armament was worrying the European continent, and that it would become a target. When Pierre Laval signed the treaty with Italy, Germany became increasingly aware of the resistance presented by many European powers. In an internal document, a German representative in Ethiopia discussed with Emperor Haile Selassie the supply of modern arms and material for chemical warfare. If the Germans’ offer of arms was favorable, Ethiopia was to send a representative to Berlin to discuss the situation.10 Germany later said internally that it and Ethiopia had the same interests, and that a conflict with Italy over the Austrian question would be inevitable.11 Germany was aware that Mussolini, along with Britain and France, did not favor his involvement with Austria. Hitler felt that the only way to be able to take over Austria was to arm the Ethiopians as much as possible so that they would offer the greatest resistance toward the Italians. With the Italians distracted, Hitler would go into Austria. Hitler kept this plan secret, because he was aware of the complicated European political situation.12
German firms saw an interest in Ethiopia like the Italians did, but not for the same reasons. Companies such as Rheinmetall and Krupp Steel were aware that Ethiopia desperately needed supplies, and they could provide them.13 They helped supply the weapons to Ethiopia that were agreed to by Selassie and Hitler. The fact that Ethiopia was on the verge of entering war meant that they need to buy as many supplies as possible to prepare. German firms were prepared to offer Ethiopians what they needed in order to profit. Italy also saw an economic interest in Ethiopia because Mussolini was aware that Ethiopia had a large amount of natural resources, and Italy could improve its struggling economy. With an already struggling economy, Italy was desperate to look for solutions for this problem, and Ethiopia became a possible solution.

Emperor Haile Selassie would of course try and take the offer made by the Germans, and Ethiopia would receive some weapons from German firms.14 Emperor Selassie knew that Italy was a large military power, and it needed to arm immediately. Both Germany and Ethiopia felt they would win through this arms deal. With Mussolini sending troops into British Somaliland to prepare for the imminent invasion, Ethiopia had to speed up the process of the deal.15 Germany began to play a large role in the imminent war by causing panic in Europe while making deals with Ethiopia to stop Italy from conquest.
When the main invasion began in October of 1935, German officials discussed the situation. Communications showed that Germany wished to remain a “non-participant,” and with Italy diverted away from Europe and the League of Nations weakened, Germany focused on the Austrian question.16 It watched the Italian conflict, but Emperor Haile Selassie was aware that he was outnumbered, and Germany felt that Italy would likely succeed. Germany now knew that this was the time to take advantage of the European political situation, and it hoped that the Italo-Abyssinian conflict would continue for a long period of time so that it could begin its expansion plans.
"

SOURCE: http://tinyurl.com/ylcdh9u


I'll respond to the other stuff when I have more time. Peace for now and let your sources do the talking.

There was even some theories that Ethiopians were a type of Aryan. One thing that lives in infamy is the fact that there were Ethiopian Nazis.

Believe it or not!

No other European country came to the aide of Ethiopia. They all refused to back a Black country against a White - this was specifically there statement. Only Hitler helped Ethiopia.

My point is that Race Cults are not based on anything rationale. Remember, Hitler himself was most likely part Jewish.

Arrant nonsense! Italy and Germany were members of the Axis power together with Japan on one side. They were supported by many European country, and (even the Arab mutif of Jerusalem) and preached an extreme form of racism.

How then would KKK German Hitler love the Ethiopians (Black men and women) so much more than his Aryan brothers of Italy that he would even arm them to kill Italians. Arrant nonsense.

It was the Eriterians, colonized in mind and body that provided aid and support to the invading Italians. Many Eriterians were regulars and porters for the Italian army, and when Italy was defeated and expelled from Ethiopia, most of the defeated soldiers straggled back to Eriteria to lick their wounds, and breed more bastards to make trouble for Africa another day!

You seem to be arguing against the facts. There is clear evidence that Hitler gave weapons to Ethiopia.


Most people consider it a way of trying to draw Italy into an alliance with Germany.

???

Two sources from you including a speech or letter wherein HIM majesty acknowledge your "facts". If you cannot then you are talking nonsense...
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[QB] Part 2 ---this forum isn't allowing me to post my original post into one post, so i've decided to split it into two sections.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by KING:
Is it safe to say that self Hatred fueled their 30 year war against Ethiopia. I say this not to pick a fight or make people angry, but the TRUTH needs to be understood. This also may play into why "Some" Eritreans think they are not linked with other Africans.

ANSWER THE QUESTION YOU ARE DODGING ERITRIAN THIN LEGS....

HOW MANY ITALIANS DID YOUR GREAT REBEL MODEL SOLDIERS KILL BEFORE HAILE SELASSIE FREED YOUR THIN ARSES FROM ITALIAN SLAVERY???

HOW MANY ITALIAN COLONELS CAPTAINS, GENERALS OR FIELD MARSHALL DID YOUR ERITERIAN BRAVE MEN CAPTURE OR CONQUER?

HOW MANY ETHIOPIANS (YOUR LIBERATORS) DID YOU MURDER PURSUANT TO YOUR SO CALLED INDEPENDENCE AGITATION.

Provide an answer you little cowardly child!

Lion!

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In addition to annexing Eritrea and igniting the longest war in modern African history (30 years), Haile Selassie banned all Eritrean languages and threw anyone into jail if they spoke their mother tongue. He also moved all factories from Eritrea into his Shewa/Oromo region inside Ethiopia. He purposely made Eritrea's economy weak just so Eritreans would have to rely on Ethiopia. He placed certain quotas on Eritreans reaching the university level of education to keep Eritreans behind. Even in the 1962 African cup, where for the first time and last time in its history Ethiopia won the African cup. What Ethiopians will never till you is 9 out the 11 starting players were all Eritrean. The next tournament, Halie Selassie put a quota on Eritreans joining the soccer national team and as a result, Ethiopia never won anything afterwards. Halie Selassie not only suffered an identity issue, he also had an inferority complex towards Eritreans. He felt his Ethiopian people were less educated, less everything than Eritreans and as a result, he made Eritreans see economic setbacks, educational setbacks and infrustructure setbacks. He did this so "Ethiopians can catch up". He felt since Eritrea was ahead of Ethiopia that Eritreans would start a revolution to win their country back. Hoever, little did he realize that stealing a nation and banning their languages was more than enough for an ass whoppin' of biblical proportion.

Stealing a country and purposely turning the economy bad and to ban languages wasn't enough. Out of Eritrea's 3 million people, 250,000 were killed by Haile Selassie's war on Eritreans. Eritrea's population is now 5 million but had those 250,000 Eritreans lived, Eritrea's population would have been 7 million. Here's the genocide your white claiming god did to Eritreans

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He also starved off and neglected one of the largest famines in Africa, which took place in Wollo, Ethiopia. hundreds of thousands of Ethiopians died, while Halie Selassie lived a lavish lifestyle.

Oh and btw, in order to make Eritrea permanently part of Ethiopia, the great politician halie selassie allowed America to open one of the largest military bases in the capital of Asmara. The American base was used for spying on the soviets and as a result, during the Cuban missile crises, Eritrea was one of the targets for Soviet Nuclear annihilation thanks to Halie Selassie.

Is it any wonder he was buried under the toilet of Mengusitu Halimariam? Your god wasn't sh!t till Mengusitu Halimariam shited on him.


Haile Selassie ruled Ethiopia for 45 years before he was overthrown by the Marxist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam in 1974.

The 81-year-old emperor was detained in his palace by Mengistu's soldiers.

He died a year later, many believe murdered by his captors. His remains were found in 1992, buried under a toilet in the Imperial Palace.


SOURCE: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/1007736.stm

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If you read the links I've provided, you'd know Eritrea was colonized by Italy from 1880-1941....
AND WHO LIBERATED ERITERIA FROM THE ITALIANS IN 1941?

ANSWER: HAILE SELASSIE DURING OPERATION GIDEON WHEN HE CHASED THE ITALIANS OUT OF NORTH AFRICA.

But then the Italians began agitations through brain-washed Eriterians, by funding a separatist, racist group of Eriterian Italians and many muslims to begin an atrocious war of attrition against their own blood brothers.

Ungrateful ungrateful ungrateful wretches. No wonder no other country in Africa has any good diplomatic relation with Eriteria...

You Eriterians are the rejects of Africa, like Somalians...a shame!

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Originally posted by 85500:


Haile Selassie ruled Ethiopia for 45 years before he was overthrown by the Marxist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam in 1974.

The 81-year-old emperor was detained in his palace by Mengistu's soldiers.

He died a year later, many believe murdered by his captors. His remains were found in 1992, buried under a toilet in the Imperial Palace.


SOURCE: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/1007736.stm

But Haile Selassie freed your country Eriteria from Italian slavery in 1941? But Eriterians could not free themselves before that and they also were irregular troops for Italian soldiers during the war of independence?

He freed Eriterians because he considered them to be Ethiopians enslaved by the Italians. Yes.

Haile Selassie educated your country elites in that as early as 1941 he was building schools, hospitals and infrastructure... The first set of educated elites that bit the finger that fed them were Eriterian bastard ingrates, who chose to fight their liberator but who would not fight their enslaver...

Mengistu Haile Mariam was an Amhara goat who had been educated with Haile Selassie's personal money. With HIM private funds, Mengistu and a bunch of other youths were sent to Russia to be educated so that they could come back and build Ethiopia. They went there and sold out to Russian conspiracy theories, truned marxists, and ruined their entire country.

Yet, that in no way underlies the fact that His Imperial Majesty, Emperor Haile Selassie I freed you Eriterians from your Italian enslavers.

Now my thin legged rebel soldier, what have you done for Eriteria other than insult the memory of your liberator?

Remember there were no serious Eriterian rebellion during Haile Selassie's time except for a few muslim agitation edged on by Italian provocateurs.

The full rebellion was against Mengistu. Your war was against Mengistu's Ethiopia and not HIM Emperor Selassie I.

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The Eritrean revolution in pictures. Led by the great Hamid Idris Awate (he's the guy on the horse below). Hamid Idris Awate killed 50 British colonial soldiers before he declared the Eritrean revolution to free Eritrea. The British feared this man like no other --they offered him money and peace treaty to make peace. He was a trained sniper who fought in the Libya wars as a conscript in WW2. Hamid Idris Awate had class above all - he told his men to say ”Af feni” which means "forgive me" in the Eritrean Tigre language - before squeezing their trigger to take out occupying forces inside Eritrea. He believed all soldiers were tools of governments, so he felt he was killing innocent men, regardless how many times they tried to kill him.

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The Eritrean revolution in pictures.

I am happy you are now reduced to photo-spamming!

But those are pictures of Highway bandits posing in soldier's uniforms.

Now show me some real Eriterian rebels fighting Italian soldiers?

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by 85500:
[QB] The Eritrean revolution in pictures. Led by the great Hamid Idris Awate (he's the guy on the horse below). Hamid Idris Awate killed 50 British colonial soldiers before he declared the Eritrean revolution to free Eritrea.
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LION ROARS: Muslim psuedo Arabs! Now you confess thin legs..now you begin your confessions...

Awate or whatever you call him did not kill any ITALIANS SOLIDERS, who had enslaved his mothers and sisters and fucked them over between 1881 and 1941...

Awate supposedly killed 5 British soldier. But Britain had no issues with Eriteria. ITALY was your master. How many ITALIANS sis Awate the infidel kill?

How come no other African country knows the name of this son of a bitch muslim- wannabe-Arab destroyer of African unity and peoples?

Soon after Ethiopia defeated the Italians, Italy and some Arabs muslims countries began formenting the trouble in Ethiopian Eriteria. Their desire was to weaken Ethiopia and deny it its natural access to the sea and to divide and weaken it.

Pakistan, was the country to promote your secessionist agenda at the United Nations. Now ask yourself how Pakistan could love the people of Eriteria more than the liberator of Africa, the Ethiopians with Emperor Haile Selassie?

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ERITERIA VICTIMS LOVE ITALIAN PAEDOPHILES:

One of the reasons for Eriteria's so called revolution:

Abstract:
The trade ties between Italy and Eritrea is important for both countries. This paper analyzes the extents and characteristics of regional trade relationship between Eritrea and Italy. Attention is given to the regions and products where there is high potential for export and import. Other socioeconomic opportunities, which may give rise to the trade link between the two countries, are also mentioned briefly. The main aim is Eritrea a former Italian colony can be a springboard for Italy to expand its commercial activities to other Italian colony in the horn of Africa. It can be an opener of the market in Italy with all Italian and non-Italian colonies in the horn of Africa. [Mad]
Indian Journal of Millennium Development Studies-An International Journal, Vol. 2, No. 1, pp. 97-111, March 2007

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1290405

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ERITRIAN OPPOSITION DIVULGES GOVERNMENT SECRETS:
"It has been quite a while since Eritrean President Isaias Afwerki moved his office from Asmara to the Red Sea Port of Massawa. Reason? To supervise a lucrative business in blackmarket arms sales to Somali insurgents and other customers like the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka....

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Transporting the weapons to Somalia was Evgueny Zakharov, owner of Aerolift, an airline with a fleet of ageing Antonov and llyushin transport aircraft (based in Johannesburg but registered with the British Virgin Islands).

Zakharov's partner from the Eritrean side was Brigadier General Ta'ame (aka Mekelle). Brig.-General Ta'ame was one of the guys who was arrested in Zimbabwe in 1995 following a failed assassination attempt on the life of former Ethiopian dictator Col. Mengitu Hailemariam). General Ta'ame carries various passports, including Ethiopian, Saudi, Kuwaiti documents on top of his Eritrean diplomatic passport. He is Eritrea's chief of arms traficking with clients such as the Islamist insurgents in Somalia and rebels in Sri Lanka.

Zakharov has been ferrying weapons from Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Iran and Libya to Eritrea. So far, the pilot has wrapped up 76 flights. On July 12, 2008, for instance, Gen. Ta'ame paid Zakharov a blackmarket value of $1.5 million dollars for the arms consignment aboard flight no. 76496. Altogether, Asmara has paid Zakharov a total of US $114 million.

See: http://www.ethiomedia.com/aurora/9222.html

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ITALY'S BERLUSSCONI AND ERITRIA'S AFRWEKIS SIGN EXTENDED TOXIC DUMPING AGREEMENT:

Italy & Iran vie for industrial waste dumping sites
Italy has before 2005 been looking for a site to dump its toxic industrial waste. In 1988, Rome had reached agreement with the military regime in Addis Ababa about a dumping site along the coast of the Red Sea. At that time, the Eritrean rebel group EPLF of Isaias Afwerki had condemned the agreement. But years later on March 14, 2005 President Isaias met with Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, and their talks were about a site for dumping Italy's industrial waste. The agreement was signed under the cover of promoting bilateral agreements.

Accordingly, 136 tons of toxic industrial waste was dumped in Massawa, near the site called Edaga, and another near Tiwalet, a secluded military zone.

The person who knew and denounced the crime of dumping toxic waste in Eritrea was Andemichael Kahsai, who was Eritrea's ambassador to Italy, and who was always accompanying Isaias to Italy. The criticism cost the ambassador his life, as his body was later discovered near the Ministry of Labor (Taba).

The Eritrean government has received US $21 million from the toxic waste disposal deal.

http://www.ethiomedia.com/aurora/9222.html

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ERITREAN PRESIDENT THREATENS THE REST OF AFRICA: INTERVIEW WITH AL-JAZEERA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0uQwODNkTA&feature=player_embedded#

This man hates Africa definitely. He is an Italian agent of war and instability...in Africa.

Judge your self...

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quote:
8666 says: There are 13 ethnic groups in Eritrea and 82 ethnic groups in Ethiopia. Eritreans are as different from one another as they are to Ethiopians...?

How then are you a distict nation?
How then can you be one people
if you are so different?
How then can you claim one Eritrea
when even you see so much divergences.
Why dthen did you fight Emperor Selassie?

May your words judge you!

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U think Eritrean tigrians were the only ones fighting Haile Selassie here is a little secret no one wants u to know.

During Selassie there was 3 uprisings against him one in the south amongst Oromo, IN the North of Ethiopia Amongs the Tigaru who are the Brothers and Helpers of Eritrean Tigaraly and amongst the Socalled Eritreans. 85000 why dont u tell all these people the truth about your real relationship with Tigray.

What he doesnt want to tell u is that Both Tigray and ERitrea fought Side by Side even mixing it up sometimes fighting for 30 years against a common enemy selassie and especiallly the Derge. How about both the leaders of the revolution against the Derge and Ethiopia Mr. Isaias Afwerqi and Mr. Meles Zenawi are both students in Addis Ababa Univeristy until they finally were like enough is enough lets go help our people.

How about How EPLF killed ELF leaders and even fought against there own eritrean brothers killing eritreans in eritrea while fighting the Derg(ethiopians) non Tigray. Eritreans 30 years struggle was not was not i repeat was not against Tigaru/Tigray. ERitreans fought for independance Not Against Tigray Ethiopians Tigray was Fighting alonside Eritreans at many points Even Eritrean fighters went into the Tigray Regions to fight with them as well this is well docomented by eritrean forces as well as TPLF. Tigray Ethiopians Died and help fight Ethiopia with the eritreans well documented even by ELF the movement of Awate that was ranout by EPLF Issias Afeworki and his Tigrinia compadres.

Tigaru fought for the indepedence of Eritrea just as much as So called ERitreans ahhahahhahaahahhah. Here is a good example Tigaru singed songs about Eritrean Fighters and the SAme of ERitrean Fighters singing for Tigaru.


First EDU started it Off in Tigray then came TPLF Woyane who came along and took over the revolution from EDU even killed EDU leaders to take the torch of revolution. So while TPLF was fighting in Tigray against Ethiopians/Derge all of a sudden ELF which was prodominatly Muslims was replaced by EPLF with the help of TPLF.

850000 did u know that Tigaru TPLF Woyane Doctrine was the complete Independance of ERitrea from Ethiopia.

I have eritrean friends who are Hadandewa,Tigre,Saho, and they even claim that while in eritrea they fought alongside Tigaru in Nakfa.

Eritrea is a country with 9 tribes of those 9 tribes Saho,AFar,Tigrinia,and Kunama are in Ethiopia Tigray as well even there are a Tigray people irob who speak a dialect of Saho but have Tigaru culuture.

I have spoken to many eritreans but i do not hang out with many Tigrinia speaking Eritreans but the ones that i do are Jeberti Muslim Eritreans and those Jeberti Muslim claim they come from Tigray worku and belong to the family of Najashi. NOne of my Jeberti Muslim speaking friends see any different with Tigray Jeberti and ERitrean Jeberti even claim Tigray is the Home of Jeberti.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlwqADg4jhc

This is Beja ata arkay look how they are dancing gwala tigrinia and dont forget that while TPLF and EPLF fighters were fighting Derge these Beja were the helpers of the Habashi coming into EAstern Sudan hiding amongst them were the revolution fighters of Tigray and Eritrea.

WE in Sudan and those of the Might Beja have always laughed at Eritreans and Tigray brothers fighting over nothing ya hada Esra

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All these wars seem very fishy.

It would seem that you claim That the leaders of these civil wars trained at the same university.
Why all the zenophobic hate? I will continue to say that it was hatred of being under Black rule that sparked the conflict. Now we hear that Tigrays in Ethiopia were on Eritrean side, and that just muddies the waters even more. Even through this Eritreans and Ethiopians must let love reign if they are going to really benefit there people. Their is no excuse that Ethiopia suffers from famine and starvation when the Nile runs through there land. I don't laugh at Eritreans and Tigray I feel sad that they could not solve there problems, fighting and losing the life of soldiers in senseless wars is shameful.


What I also see is people desperate to slander the name of Selassie. Be easy on these things, at least show some respect to the person who Rastas highly regard.

Peace

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I don't laugh at Eritreans and Tigray I feel sad that they could not solve there problems, fighting and losing the life of soldiers in senseless wars is shameful.

Senseless war?
How is fighting for the freedom of your people and children a senseless war? These soldiers reached their objectives eventually, so how was it senseless?

Btw AswaniAswad it's obvious that you are an Amhara so stop acting as if you were a Sudani or Egyptian.

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Is it a possible analogy then to state the relation between Eritrea and Ethiopia to that of Tibet and China then?
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Yonis dont worry about my origins btw im not Amhara,Tigrian,Oromo,Somali,Afar,Ethiopian,or Eritrean. I am of Beja Origin and claim those in Eritrea,Sudan,and Egypt to be my brothers.

U yonis Wariya must be smart enough to understand that even during the war between Derge and Somalia in 1977-78 was a big mess u hade Tigrinian Woyane TPLF soldiers all in Somalia getting help from the Somalians. U think the fight in 1977 with somalia and Ethiopia fought had to do with eritrea and Tigray no those two were both helping fight the same person the somali were fighting.

Yonis the war between Ethiopia and Eritrea in 1998 was Senseless War U know this dont play with me.

The 30year struggle that Eritreans and Tigaru fought against Derge and Selassie were Legit WArs for Freedom and Peace and stop oppression.

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U think the fight in 1977 with somalia and Ethiopia fought had to do with eritrea and Tigray no those two were both helping fight the same person the somali were fighting.

Yes i know that, and i also know that bejas were fighting on the EPLF side against the Derg, unlike TPLF, EPLF consisted of all Eritreans including your beja not just Tigrinya, why don't you tell us more about the anti-Derg Bejas of Eritrea?
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quote:
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Is it a possible analogy then to state the relation between Eritrea and Ethiopia to that of Tibet and China then?

No because Eritrea predates Ethiopia both as a nation-state and in civilization. There are more historical ancient sites in Eritrea than Ethiopia and Sudan combined.

Ethiopia is only 120 years old and was built by colonizers and peace treaties with European nations. Ethiopia also gained their independence from the British in 1942.


Don't let these rastafarian troll fool you, Marcus Gravey made it clear that Halie Selassie was a racist bigot how hated blacks and regarded himself a white man. These are historical facts backed by sources, no amount of rastafarian ganja will change history just so their god that was buried under a toilet can have a good name. According to Rastafarians, Halie Selassie is still alive. Yes, you would need more than weed to believe in their smokescreen of fictional historical accounts.

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quote:
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How is fighting for the freedom of your people and children a senseless war? These soldiers reached their objectives eventually, so how was it senseless?

Btw AswaniAswad it's obvious that you are an Amhara so stop acting as if you were a Sudani or Egyptian. [/QB]

Lool AswaniAswad is Ethiopian of the Tigray ethnic group.

Since when have Beja speakers in Egypt claimed they were Bejas? Who does this tigrayan Ethiopian rat think he's fooling? My Uncle in law is a to-badawie (beja) speaker, and he never met no Bisharan Beja speaker claim they are Bejas. Like I told this Ethiopian loser, he should avoid claiming the Beja identity, as he will get dicked down with facts. Tigrayans are known to pretend to be Oromos, Somalis, Amharas and Eritreans. They feel that a genocide is going to happen on their people, hence their all over forums boasting how good it is in Ethiopia since their ethnic minority is in power. They make up 5% of Ethiopia, yet control 97% of Ethiopia's military, economics and government.


Believe me my darood Somali friend, Eritreans know when they see Tigrayans. Since when have Bejas from Egypt been so politically invested in Eritrean and Ethiopian affairs? This guy is Ethiopian from the Tigray ethnic group. I'm Tigre-Eritrean, I can smell an Tigrayan rat anywhere. These people are claiming Bejas now on forums is not astonishing to say the least.

Bottom line fact: EPLF and ELF were the largest rebel groups in the horn of Africa. Both of them were Eritreans. The Eritrean revolution freed Ethiopians from dictators, as it was Eritrean tanks and troops that marched into Addis Ababa. The TPLF was created in 1974, for Tigray independence. They were trained and hand-held into power by the bigger EPLF.

EPLF in 1991 had 125,000 Eritrean rebels
TPLF in 1991 had 25,000 and 15,000 off and on.


TPLF was just Tigrayans. Tigray people's population was 5 million

EPLF was comprised of Biher-Tigrinya, Tigre and every Eritrean ethnic group. At that time, Eritrea's population was just 3 million. So out of 3 million people, the Eritreans had the highest concentration of troops than any rebel movement in the horn, they started the revolution and they marched into Addis Ababa for a regime change and put the smaller TPLF into power. These ungrateful tigrayans bit the hand that created them and invaded Eritrea in 1998.


Aswani = Tigrayan Ethiopian. No ifs or ands about it. We know your type, loud as a moterbike but wouldn't bust a grape if a fruit fight. You can fool these people on here, but you'll never fool Eritreans.

I challenge you to speak Beja to me....What am I saying, tifa rus aldbahan delamey af hentis.


Now please translate that for me our Tigraya-Ethiopian friend pretending to be a Beja from Egypt of all places. What a joke you are.

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NO Yonis Beja were fighting first with the ELF its founder Ahmed Mohammed Nasser,Hiruy Tadla Bayru) and the new leaders (Siyoum Ogbamichael, Hussein Kelifah and Weldeyesus Ammar).

The Beja got invoved threw ELF which opened a Office in Egypt CAiro, My father was a Student in Egypt at the time and meet with Idris Muhammad Adam who opened the ELF office in Egypt.

The Beja of eritrea who are called Hedareb fought alongside and in the same unit as the other eritrean tribes everyone fought together as brothers. My father told me that there was a fully armed Beja Unit in Nakfa which sparked the fight and became the ralling call.

My father told me that Idris Awate started a military wing of the ELF and that consisted of Armed horsemen from the Beja as well as Habab and Beni Amir Tribes of Tigre of which Idris Awate is from and my father told me that the Habab side of Tigre are really of Beja origin left overs of Shukriya.

Anti-Derg Bejas of ERitrea and Sudan started when the Derg went straight to the Beni amir Tribe and Arrested there chief as well as the chief of the Habab which was the wrong thing to do. DErg Knew that if they captured and forced the Chief of Habab and Chief of Beni Amir into submission that they would control the Sahel but what Derg didnt know is that the Beni Amir and Habab are many in Sudan and Strong so the Beni Amir called on there other fellow tribes men and combined with the ELF forces Sudan was the most important area for the fighters of Tigray,Eritrea

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quote:
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No because Eritrea predates Ethiopia both as a nation-state and in civilization. There are more historical ancient sites in Eritrea than Ethiopia and Sudan combined.


I question the part about Eritrea beating Sudan out in ancient sites -- home to ancient Kush and Meroe.
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No because Eritrea predates Ethiopia both as a nation-state and in civilization. There are more historical ancient sites in Eritrea than Ethiopia and Sudan combined.


I question the part about Eritrea beating Sudan out in ancient sites -- home to ancient Kush and Meroe.
Selam brother Explorer. I must thank you for taking the time out of your day to hand that troll his ass in the first page of this thread.

In regards to my claim, I am speaking of archeological sites and historical places, not grand kingdoms such as the power house Kush or Meroe. In this regard, Eritrea has 80,000 and this number is expected to grow, because outside of Somalia, Eritrea is the least archeological excavated nation in the horn.


Here's the article http://www.madote.com/2009/10/eritrea-has-second-highest.html

Asmara, 20 December 2008 - The number of archeological sites in the country which was 45,000 previously has now increased to 80,000 thanks to the continued excavation activities undertaken to identify the nation rich relics, according to Dr. Yosief Libsekal, head of the Eritrean National Museum.


Noting that archeological sites and historical places in the country had not been properly explored due to successive colonial rule and wars, he indicated that additional new sites have been discovered in Buya, Northern Red Sea region. Dr. Yoseif further stated that the nation’s archeological sites and historical places are being excavated by nationals in the first place so as to avoid the mistake witnessed in excavation activities of African artifacts by foreigners.

He pointed out that Eritrea ranks second after Egypt in Africa for its rich archeological sites and historical places. Moreover, he explained that there are plans to undertake rehabilitation tasks in a number of archeological sites in the country, including the Metera Statue, the Kidane-Mihret Church in Senafe which was built in the Middle Ages and the Derbush Cemetery in Massawa.

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Hey i need not explain nothing to u i can tell u are Tigrinia Highlander u are not Tigre Eritrean because Tigre do not speak Beja and Tigre do not Need to Show the World How they are not Ethiopian and they have a different history from Tigray Only Tigrinia speaking Asmara Highlanders think like that.

Never have i ever meet a Tigre,Nara,Raishada,Hedareb,Bilen,AFar,SAho,and KUnama who Is Obsessed with Not Being Ethiopian and Goes around telling the World How He is Not From Tigray,Ethiopia come on be realistic only U Highlanders think like that.

U are Tigre and u want to tell me about Beja do u know what Tigre means in TeBadawiya hahahhahahhaha.

Gasit Bedawiye is what u speak if u are a Beja from eritrea my dialect is Mimhit Bedawiye which is very similar except like for example Hoos in the third person according to Halenga tribe its Hoosna. The Northern Beja like Bishariyin and Halenga are known by all Beja speakers to be particular entities.

I always get U are Agame or Tigray or Amhara or Tigrinia eritrean just because i understand the situatio going on there they are my brothers and sisters.

U ask why would a Beja be worried about ERitrea Ethiopia the same reason why would eritrea want to Help the Beja Congress in there fight against Khartoum.

850000 i have no problem with u and dont have nothing more to say really about this eritrean vs Ethiopia u are the one who posts political **** this is abot history of africans and egyptology not about Jebha vs Shaebia ahhahahhahah Jebina Hilwa Ya Habashiya.

tak fadigtamun hawla takat dir aab ikte-yeet door-han firi-it.

If u are Tigre Abshiru ya ikwan

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NO Yonis Beja were fighting first with the ELF its founder Ahmed Mohammed Nasser,Hiruy Tadla Bayru) and the new leaders (Siyoum Ogbamichael, Hussein Kelifah and Weldeyesus Ammar).

The Beja got invoved threw ELF which opened a Office in Egypt CAiro, My father was a Student in Egypt at the time and meet with Idris Muhammad Adam who opened the ELF office in Egypt.

The Beja of eritrea who are called Hedareb fought alongside and in the same unit as the other eritrean tribes everyone fought together as brothers. My father told me that there was a fully armed Beja Unit in Nakfa which sparked the fight and became the ralling call.

My father told me that Idris Awate started a military wing of the ELF and that consisted of Armed horsemen from the Beja as well as Habab and Beni Amir Tribes of Tigre of which Idris Awate is from and my father told me that the Habab side of Tigre are really of Beja origin left overs of Shukriya.

Anti-Derg Bejas of ERitrea and Sudan started when the Derg went straight to the Beni amir Tribe and Arrested there chief as well as the chief of the Habab which was the wrong thing to do. DErg Knew that if they captured and forced the Chief of Habab and Chief of Beni Amir into submission that they would control the Sahel but what Derg didnt know is that the Beni Amir and Habab are many in Sudan and Strong so the Beni Amir called on there other fellow tribes men and combined with the ELF forces Sudan was the most important area for the fighters of Tigray,Eritrea

Dude, you're a liar and making up lots of what you're stating. You're not Beja. Lets make this fact clear. You don't act, talk or understand beja. Please refrain from turning the Beja name for your political tool.

In regards to your fairytale story, it's complete trash. You're taking smokescreen claims right from the Ethiopian government.

Habab are not Bejas. Hababs are Tigre people. Habab is a CHRISTIAN name. It comes from Ad Habetes, who was the founder of that clan. Ad-Habetes is one of the three sons of Maflas, who himself was the first son of Beit Asagade. The Beit Asgade people are the ancestors of the Habab and they come from Christian Biher-Tigrinya people of the highlands. Today, all Hababs are Muslims and speak Tigre.

The Beni Amer are not a Beja tribe. Stop lying you loser. All Bejas regard the Beni Amer as a Habesha tribe from the Eritrean highlands. The ad Hamasien, ad Bidel and many other tribes inside the Beni-Amer all came from the Biher-Tigrinya ethnic group of Eritrea. Many other sub-clans of the Beni-Amer came from Tigre ethnic groups and a small minority came from the ballaw people, who were people of half-Beja and Half-Bediouin arab ancestory. The Beni-Amer are a confederation of sub-clans with different origins. No Beni-Amer claims to be Beja. They just regard themselves as Beni-Amer and speak Tigre as a first language. In fact, the name Beni Amer means "sons of Amer". Amir was a Balaw king that ruled most of Eritrea during the Balaw kingdom (12 -16 century AD)

Now, kindly tell me what I wrote in my previous post mr. Tigrayan-Ethiopian pretending to be a beja from Egypt.

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I would doubt eritrea being greater than Sudan in archeological sites What Meroe Kush
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Hey i need not explain nothing to u i can tell u are Tigrinia Highlander u are not Tigre Eritrean because Tigre do not speak Beja and Tigre do not Need to Show the World How they are not Ethiopian and they have a different history from Tigray Only Tigrinia speaking Asmara Highlanders think like that.

Never have i ever meet a Tigre,Nara,Raishada,Hedareb,Bilen,AFar,SAho,and KUnama who Is Obsessed with Not Being Ethiopian and Goes around telling the World How He is Not From Tigray,Ethiopia come on be realistic only U Highlanders think like that.

U are Tigre and u want to tell me about Beja do u know what Tigre means in TeBadawiya hahahhahahhaha.

Gasit Bedawiye is what u speak if u are a Beja from eritrea my dialect is Mimhit Bedawiye which is very similar except like for example Hoos in the third person according to Halenga tribe its Hoosna. The Northern Beja like Bishariyin and Halenga are known by all Beja speakers to be particular entities.

I always get U are Agame or Tigray or Amhara or Tigrinia eritrean just because i understand the situatio going on there they are my brothers and sisters.

U ask why would a Beja be worried about ERitrea Ethiopia the same reason why would eritrea want to Help the Beja Congress in there fight against Khartoum.

850000 i have no problem with u and dont have nothing more to say really about this eritrean vs Ethiopia u are the one who posts political **** this is abot history of africans and egyptology not about Jebha vs Shaebia ahhahahhahah Jebina Hilwa Ya Habashiya.

tak fadigtamun hawla takat dir aab ikte-yeet door-han firi-it.

If u are Tigre Abshiru ya ikwan

So let me get this straight, you can't speak To-badawi to save your life and now you're trying to question if I can speak Tigrayit? Tigray Ethiopian please, keep your complexes for Ethiopian website, stop wasting bandwidth.
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quote:
Originally posted by AswaniAswad:


Never have i ever meet a Tigre,Nara,Raishada,Hedareb,Bilen,AFar,SAho,and KUnama who Is Obsessed with Not Being Ethiopian and Goes around telling the World How He is Not From Tigray,Ethiopia come on be realistic only U Highlanders think like that.

You mean all those Eritrean ethnic groups you named that gave up their lives to free Eritrea didn't prove it to you they were obessesed in freeing Eritrea with their lives? If dying can't prove it, then what will mr Tigray Ethiopian? Of course you've never seen them because you're Ethiopian, what are you supposed to do?


BTW< it's not Bilen, it's Blin. The only people who call Bilen as Bilen are people from the highlands. If you're going to play the part of a Beja, please follow the rules.


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U are Tigre and u want to tell me about Beja do u know what Tigre means in TeBadawiya hahahhahahhaha.

Is that why all Beja people regard Tigre as their second language? Keep laughing boy, no amount of tribal hate is going to make me change my view of Bejas.


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Gasit Bedawiye is what u speak if u are a Beja from eritrea my dialect is Mimhit Bedawiye which is very similar except like for example Hoos in the third person according to Halenga tribe its Hoosna. The Northern Beja like Bishariyin and Halenga are known by all Beja speakers to be particular entities.

Do you know who the Helenga people are? Do you know their history? Did you know the Halenga Bejas were Christian Biher-Tigrinya people just a few centuries ago? Did you know that? Did you know that the Halenga migrated from Sareye province of the Eritrean highlands 500 years ago? Did you know they moved to the barka and adopted Tigre, then they migrated to the Kassala region and now speak Beja. Of course you didn't, because all Bejas know that.

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I always get U are Agame or Tigray or Amhara or Tigrinia eritrean just because i understand the situatio going on there they are my brothers and sisters.

No beja regards one another as brother and sisters, so save us your rasfarian Tigray talk. For example, the Hadendowa clan of Bejas regard themselves as true Bejas and are known to start war with any other so-called Beja speakers on site. Beja is an identity that most Bejas do not except. Outside of speaking a common language and following a common religion, the Bejas are not an ethnic group. The Hedareb hate to be called Bejas, even though much of their ancestors are Hadendowa people. Call a Hedareb a Beja and watch him bring out his sef to cut your neck.


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U ask why would a Beja be worried about ERitrea Ethiopia the same reason why would eritrea want to Help the Beja Congress in there fight against Khartoum.

The Beja congress and Beja people have always helped Eritreans. In fact, both the Tigre and Biher-Tigrinya ethnic groups of Eritrea are thought to be the descendants of Beja people who may have been called the Medjays of antiquity. In fact, many places in the Eritrean highlands and lowlands are named after Beja words. So when the Bejas need our help, we will give to them no questions asked.
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Beni Amir are not Habashi u are the one who is a liar and Habab are not christians u crazy.

U see u forget the real identity of Habab u all think they are habashi this is your identity crisis there is no Beni Amir Habab Habashi anything.

U need a little history lesson On beja my friend i cant believe u are Tigre and u dont know nothing about your own Beja brothers.

U said the Beni Amir are not a Beja Tribe U ARE COMPLETELY WRONG MY FRIEND U NEED A HISTORY LESSON BRO WAKE UP

Do u understand why Beja speak Tigre and why Tigre culture dress is similar to Beja u dont get it because Tigre speak a language similar to Tigrinia u think they are more related to Habashi.

do u even know anything about the people of the sahel and the left overs of the Najran. During the Axum kingdom King Kaleb brought alot of Najran christians from Yemen to SAhel who lived amongs the Beja.

The Beja, or Bedawiye, people speaking the Northern Cushitic language called “Bedawiet”, have literally since “time immemorial” occupied the Eastern deserts of Sudan, Egypt and possibly Eritrea. They today consist of the subgroups Ababda, Bishariin, Atmaan/Amar´ar, Hadendowa and sections of the Beni Amer. These subgroups are relatively loosely integrated confederations of endogamous lineages based on assumptions of shared descent and cohabitation in an ancestral territory.

U SPEAK ABOUT THE BALAWI KINGDOM ARE U SERIOUS ARE U SERIOUS OR ARE U STUPID U THINK TIGRE HAD A KINGDOM IN ERITREA OR SUDAN ARE U CRAZY THE BALAW KINGDOM MEANS BEJA KINGDOM NERD.


More evidence showing Crawford (1951: 107–108) identifies his “Sitrab” with the inhabitants of the mountains and canyons of Sitrab, 20 to 30 miles west of Tokar, and links the H.nd.yba with Khor Handuba west of Suakin. More debatable is the claim that the Rigbat, presently part of Beni Amer, were a Beja group. They might not have spoken TuBedawiye, neither then nor later, and certainly do not do so now. Hawqal also mentions the Khasa, who are bi- or trilingual nowadays, with Tigre as their dominant language. According to Zaborski, it is still a puzzle whether this group were originally Tigre or Beja (1965: 301)9 The Khasa at Hawqal´s time was living in the hills and coastal plains around the mouth of Khor Baraka, and the Rigbat stayed close to Suakin. Ibn Hawqal further names some four as yet unidentified groups.

The above shows u more evidence on why the Khasa who are the real Tigre have always been confused of being Beja in old times.

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tolls on the imports to Abyssinia and tribute from the surrounding nomads. When the Turkish administration moved to Suakin, the Balaw also sent representatives there (Crawford 1951: 131). Lobo (writing c.a. 1624) considered Suakin to be part of the Balaw kingdom. Around 1700 the relations between the Naib and the Turks were severed and the Naib instead divided the profits with the Abyssinian king.
The influence of the Balaw Naib of Arkiko on Suakin and the Sudanese coast was probably an “on-and-off” affair. The inland Beni Amer were Funj vassals from around 1600, the Abdallab “viceroy” Agib making claims on the whole area between Korosko, Massawa and Suakin (Paul 1954: 93, 1950: 224, Penn 1934: 63 f). The inland routes from Suakin at any rate were controlled by the Abdallab and the Hadariba
More specifically, these “Hadariba” of Suakin appear to have been the Arteiga, nowadays considered to be a Beja group. Oral traditions, quoted by Jackson (1926: 56) claim that “towards the close of the 15th century”, the Funj had already defeated the Arteiga as leaders of Suakin and made them their vassal rulers. This appears unlikely however, unless “Funj” is read “Abdallab” as a direct involvement by the Funj themselves in Suakin is not probable. In the 1980´s, not even the most knowledgeable of Arteiga elders in Suakin claimed any knowledge of the Funj except for what they had learnt in history books, so the Funj do not appear to have left any strong impression. The Arteiga continued to be influential in Suakin (Paul 1954: 140). They had trading contacts with the slave markets at Shendi and Mesellemia in the Gezira. The head of the Arteiga was the Emir of Hadarba, who lived on the mainland part of Suakin.

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i apologize ya ikwan this is wrong i should not be talking 2 u like this but i understand your point and i respect your culture and people so lets just leave it at that i can see its getting a little emotional but thanks for the reasoning.

I promised myself i would not speak about this anymore but try to show those in the horn of africa our similarities instead of showing our differences.

Allah Maaak

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quote:
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Selam brother Explorer. I must thank you for taking the time out of your day to hand that troll his ass in the first page of this thread.

In regards to my claim, I am speaking of archeological sites and historical places, not grand kingdoms such as the power house Kush or Meroe. In this regard, Eritrea has 80,000 and this number is expected to grow, because outside of Somalia, Eritrea is the least archeological excavated nation in the horn.


Here's the article http://www.madote.com/2009/10/eritrea-has-second-highest.html

Asmara, 20 December 2008 - The number of archeological sites in the country which was 45,000 previously has now increased to 80,000 thanks to the continued excavation activities undertaken to identify the nation rich relics, according to Dr. Yosief Libsekal, head of the Eritrean National Museum.


Noting that archeological sites and historical places in the country had not been properly explored due to successive colonial rule and wars, he indicated that additional new sites have been discovered in Buya, Northern Red Sea region. Dr. Yoseif further stated that the nation’s archeological sites and historical places are being excavated by nationals in the first place so as to avoid the mistake witnessed in excavation activities of African artifacts by foreigners.

He pointed out that Eritrea ranks second after Egypt in Africa for its rich archeological sites and historical places. Moreover, he explained that there are plans to undertake rehabilitation tasks in a number of archeological sites in the country, including the Metera Statue, the Kidane-Mihret Church in Senafe which was built in the Middle Ages and the Derbush Cemetery in Massawa.

I don't doubt that Eritrea is potentially replete with "archaeological sites and historical sites", which could just as well be said about a number of other under-excavated African regions, but even with Kush and Meroe put aside [and who can forget the Pre-Neolithic and Neolithic sites around Kerma], Sudan is host to some pretty extensive mine for archaeological fieldwork. Why, it wasn't until a couple of years ago that a inscription linked to a "sub-Saharan" language was found in the Meroitic region.
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Fighting to free your people from slavery, colonization etc is a Must. I will never disrespect freedom fighters.

The thing is that there is also oher ways to fight against hate, As Martin Luther King showed us.

All I am saying is why did the Eritreans were quick to fight the Ethiopians and not the Italians?

Anyways I see things getting heated in this thread so I will just say that the main posters have to remember they are all BROTHERS and should not look to see what divides them, but what unites them. It's this disunity that allows the west to come into these countries and try to force them to believe in the ideals of the west.

As for Archeological sites, it's a good thing eritrea has that many, but it also shows that ignorance is why they have not been excavated. I have to thank God that the Sudan government did not go along with the plan of building a dam over the land of the Nubians. There is plenty of stories to be told in Africa and we are just beginning to see these stories being told.

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Yonis

Fighting to free your people from slavery, colonization etc is a Must. I will never disrespect freedom fighters.

The thing is that there is also oher ways to fight against hate, As Martin Luther King showed us.

All I am saying is why did the Eritreans were quick to fight the Ethiopians and not the Italians?

Anyways I see things getting heated in this thread so I will just say that the main posters have to remember they are all BROTHERS and should not look to see what divides them, but what unites them. It's this disunity that allows the west to come into these countries and try to force them to believe in the ideals of the west.

As for Archeological sites, it's a good thing eritrea has that many, but it also shows that ignorance is why they have not been excavated. I have to thank God that the Sudan government did not go along with the plan of building a dam over the land of the Nubians. There is plenty of stories to be told in Africa and we are just beginning to see these stories being told.

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King, you are a true Candu! This is just the simplest truth I have been tryng to get those muslim boys to understand...

Eriteria was colonized by Italy in 1881...no resistance, no war of independence, nor riots, no rebellions....

Eriteria was fucked over by Italy for 60 years until Haile Selassie fought a war against the Italians in East Africa and drove them out of Eriteria. This was 1941, recorded history.

Eriteria then turned against Emperor Haile Selassie, their Lord and Saviour, who freed them from the hands of their Roman oppressors.

And truly like Judas did with Jesus, they claimed to have killed and crucified the body of the Lion of Judah....because he was their "oppressor"... (What a farce???)

But just like they could not kill Christ even though they thought they did, they could not kill the Lion of Judah, because he is King of Kings of Earth!

But still those Eriterians could not/did not kill even one Italian devil in the times they constantly raped their mothers and sodomized their fathers...

Their harlot mothers bared their privates and their fathers their arses to be fucked by Italian devils. So they bred up half-bred "Somalids" like Yonis, and "thin legged-Eritrians ingrates" like 8666.

Now both nations are lost in complete confusion. They are at war, in stress and tension. They burst at their seams...

They have become the laughing stock of the earth. They have become the most ignoble of nations. A nation of ingrates, sell-outs, perpetual slaves of the Italians, Africa's reject...Somalia, Eritria...

Look at both nations today. 86660 from Eriteria is probably an exile in the west fleeing the hunger and oppression in his so-called home land.

Yonis from Somalia we all know is a war refugee in Sweden.

And so they will continue to suffer and perish, till they bow down before the saving grace of their rejected Lord and Saviour, His Imperial Majesty Emperor Haile Selassie I..

Because as a Black man, if you diss Selassie, you will die!

Selassie I is InI (Africa's) eternal protector, liberator and saviour! You fight Selassie, you fight yourself!

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"In the days when supremacy of arms decided victory, it was through Eritrea that the enemy successively carried out acts of aggression on us;today, our enemies are trying to conduct propaganda campaigns against us through this same part. If Eritrea, as Ethiopia's outlet, now becomes the scene of a propaganda campaign as it was the entrance of the enemy to the country, who is to lose and who is to gain? The people of Eritrea have felt what it means to live under foreign rule during 60 years of subjugation. The other parts of Ethiopia have also experienced alien domination during five years of tribulation...."

Emperor Haile Selassie I

Visit to Eritrea
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See Selected Speeches of Haile Selasie
1967

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quote:
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No because Eritrea predates Ethiopia both as a nation-state and in civilization. There are more historical ancient sites in Eritrea than Ethiopia and Sudan combined.

I'm not talking about history of civilizations but the actual political situation. Modern China is an empire which conquered and annexed Tibet. Is not the same true with modern Ethiopia being an empire that annexed Eritrea? By the way, I'm sure there are plenty of Tibetans that would argue the same about their history and culture being older than the Chinese. Some of the earliest Han Chinese records make references to a people to their west (in Tibet) called the 'Jie' and some aspects of Chinese culture and religion can be traced to the Jie, unfortunately archaeology has so far only scratched the surface of Tibet due to the difficulty of the mountainous terrain as well as the ensuing political conflicts.

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Ethiopia is only 120 years old and was built by colonizers and peace treaties with European nations. Ethiopia also gained their independence from the British in 1942.
The same can be said about many modern African nations and even nations in Southwest and Southern Asia.

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Don't let these rastafarian troll fool you, Marcus Gravey made it clear that Halie Selassie was a racist bigot how hated blacks and regarded himself a white man. These are historical facts backed by sources, no amount of rastafarian ganja will change history just so their god that was buried under a toilet can have a good name. According to Rastafarians, Halie Selassie is still alive. Yes, you would need more than weed to believe in their smokescreen of fictional historical accounts.
Well not to bash Rastafarians, I tend to receive my info from scholarly sources first and foremost anyway. And again, I'm not surprised about Menelik or Selassie's beliefs. We are talking about men who have been under the influence of the West for decades. I'm not surprised they too have fallen for the 'Hamitic' or 'Hamito-Semtic' nonsense.
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Originally posted by 85500:

No because Eritrea predates Ethiopia both as a nation-state and in civilization. There are more historical ancient sites in Eritrea than Ethiopia and Sudan combined.

I'm not talking about history of civilizations but the actual political situation. Modern China is an empire which conquered and annexed Tibet. Is not the same true with modern Ethiopia being an empire that annexed Eritrea? By the way, I'm sure there are plenty of Tibetans that would argue the same about their history and culture being older than the Chinese. Some of the earliest Han Chinese records make references to a people to their west (in Tibet) called the 'Jie' and some aspects of Chinese culture and religion can be traced to the Jie, unfortunately archaeology has so far only scratched the surface of Tibet due to the difficulty of the mountainous terrain as well as the ensuing political conflicts.

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Ethiopia is only 120 years old and was built by colonizers and peace treaties with European nations. Ethiopia also gained their independence from the British in 1942.
The same can be said about many modern African nations and even nations in Southwest and Southern Asia.

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Don't let these rastafarian troll fool you, Marcus Gravey made it clear that Halie Selassie was a racist bigot how hated blacks and regarded himself a white man. These are historical facts backed by sources, no amount of rastafarian ganja will change history just so their god that was buried under a toilet can have a good name. According to Rastafarians, Halie Selassie is still alive. Yes, you would need more than weed to believe in their smokescreen of fictional historical accounts.
Well not to bash Rastafarians, I tend to receive my info from scholarly sources first and foremost anyway. And again, I'm not surprised about Menelik or Selassie's beliefs. We are talking about men who have been under the influence of the West for decades. I'm not surprised they too have fallen for the 'Hamitic' or 'Hamito-Semtic' nonsense.

Djehuti 2 questions:

Who liberated Eriteria from the Italians in 1941?

Did China liberate Tibet from a foreign power?

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"...Man’s ingratitude to man is often manifested in willingness to relegate human beings to the scrapheaps of life when they enter the twilight of their careers and younger brains and stronger arms are found to replace them."

- H.I.M. Emperor Haile Selassie I


To me this typifies the eternal sins of the careless Abbyssinians and Eriterians who fought against the saviour of us all, the Ethiopians!

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85500,you armchair shabia, How is it possible that a 3000 year old culture began in a 30 year old, cultureless and useless place that was designed by Italians?

Your usless beles right ass belong to Shimbela camp. Tigrinyan habeshas all your mothers were the slave whores of Yemen Arabs who don't won't you mutts, which is why most of you suffer from identity crisis.

Got to Arabia, who are the main worthless cheap whores for the Arabs, Eritrean AIDS spreading sluts.

Your stupid to say Ethiopian think they are white and proud, you don't know your own disgusting ancestry.

Dude, lemme ask you; were you born a retard or is it the independence depression that makes you dumb enough to actually believe geez has anything to do with you guys? The arab-turko-roman losers who're synonymous with 30 history-less years for absolutely nothing!

You might deny it now, but soon enough you will kiss my Ethiopian feet's again, just as your folks used to do, and understand that Geez is 100% Ethiopian, and all other history that go with that writing.

Now go back and bow down to your Italian masters, you fu cking loser.

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All this talking about former Ethiopian good-willed leaders lets speak about the disgusting ungrateful dictator who rules Eritrea with an iron fist.

Who is the worst country in the entire world when it comes to freedom of speech and freedom of press? Eritrea--a totaliarian government, even North Korean rank higher than them in 2009.

http://en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2009,1001.html

Do eritrash have any freedom in their rubbished cesspool they call a country?

No,Afewerki treats them as government slaves for around $50/month and if they don't work, they go to prison. you wonder why all the refuge camps around the world is filled with this filth.

Afucki's prisoners do not get trials, many of the die in prison without ever getting their side heard, especially if they disagree with his dictatorship.

And when the Eritrash tried to run to Sudan to escape being slaves to his government, what did he do? His answer was to imprison their family members.

Do eritrean have freedom from relgion?
NO NO NO NO NO, hear it from their own mouth

"Like most Eritreans, I and my family had contributed to the liberation of Eritrea as freedom fighters for a number of years before the independence. After independence, I ( and one of my brothers) served in the police force. My religion is Orthodox Christian. But one of my sisters (who also was a freedom fighter for 12 years before indepenence) changed her religion to Jeohvah's Witnesses in 2001. The Government ordered us to convince her to get back to her 'normal' religon. She was beaten and tortured, but never changed her mind. My brother saw her determination and Faith and followed her footstep. My problem started then. All the three of us were put in jail and labelled 'A family of traitors'. I was interogated through torture to tell them 'for whom the family is working'. "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3663654.stm

So 85500 sh1t face, stop being the f ucking mouthpiece for the trashy dictator that has run your 30years into dirt. Why eritreans in diasporan collecting welfare benefits from all the European countries you criticize wont come back to their beloved slave quarters under the master Afucki? Answer it you piece of sh1t?

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I'm confused!

85500, are Tigray-Tigrinya people and Tigrinya Eritreans not in good relations, or am I just misinterpreting what your trying to say?

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I'm confused!

85500, are Tigray-Tigrinya people and Tigrinya Eritreans not in good relations, or am I just misinterpreting what your trying to say?

Yes you are a little bit confused. In Ethiopia, the people are Tigrayan, the Eritrean mutts are called Tigrinyan or Habesha, as we like to call them. They just speak the language, but they are not pure. They are mixed Beja and Arabic and have a confused identity. This is why their Tigrinian accent is so screwed up. All the mothers f ucked the the Arabs and screwed up their minds. LOL.

They are also mixed with Funge, Turks, Italian, truly f ucked up mix of mutts, no surprise they are confused, listen to how this retard speaks, he knows nothing about who he is.

The Tigrayan of Ethiopia always had different rulers and different politics from these mutts. Sometimes the government tried to accept them, but they are assholes, still confused to who they are.

Funny thing is, both wanted to be independent from Ethiopia or should I say Menelik, both they also wanted to be separate from eachother. It's not Menelik who offered their territory to Italians its their own traitor Ras Alula who offered their territory to the Italians.

This retard never tells you that the Eritrea mutts joined the Italian army to fight for control of Ethiopia. We will never consider them our brothers, they are the true friends of the enemy.

Ask this retard why did they fight with their colonial rulers instead of fighting against them, then you will see what kind of identity crisis we are dealing with.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ityop'iya4eva:
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Originally posted by Doctoris Scientia:
I'm confused!

85500, are Tigray-Tigrinya people and Tigrinya Eritreans not in good relations, or am I just misinterpreting what your trying to say?

Yes you are a little bit confused. In Ethiopia, the people are Tigrayan, the Eritrean mutts are called Tigrinyan or Habesha, as we like to call them. They just speak the language, but they are not pure. They are mixed Beja and Arabic and have a confused identity. This is why their Tigrinian accent is so screwed up. All the mothers f ucked the the Arabs and screwed up their minds. LOL.

They are also mixed with Funge, Turks, Italian, truly f ucked up mix of mutts, no surprise they are confused, listen to how this retard speaks, he knows nothing about who he is.

The Tigrayan of Ethiopia always had different rulers and different politics from these mutts. Sometimes the government tried to accept them, but they are assholes, still confused to who they are.

Funny thing is, both wanted to be independent from Ethiopia or should I say Menelik, both they also wanted to be separate from eachother. It's not Menelik who offered their territory to Italians its their own traitor Ras Alula who offered their territory to the Italians.

This retard never tells you that the Eritrea mutts joined the Italian army to fight for control of Ethiopia. We will never consider them our brothers, they are the true friends of the enemy.

Ask this retard why did they fight with their colonial rulers instead of fighting against them, then you will see what kind of identity crisis we are dealing with.

First of all I am of Beja and Eritrean blood. My father Beja, my mother Eritrean and we fight for the cause of the Black African, not against them!

I seem to notice how you lie and slander our people as if you know "anything" about "us" or our culture. How dare you say such idiotic things?
The SPLM, the Beja Congress, the Tiffa, what do you think that is all about?
We cannot help the fact that the racist arabs rape Eritrean women that live in places that are populated by arabs. Just as you cannot control the whiteman urge to rape your women in his country. I say this, as if I know that you are American, because I know you are! Real Africans in this country know what is really going on and "us" without any help from outside of "us" have begun to do something about it. What is the African-American doing for his own cause in America?

It is so amazing how so many people will lie just to get a point up on someone in a worthless conversation.

Grow up!

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quote:
Originally posted by DhulAlQarnain:
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Originally posted by Ityop'iya4eva:
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Originally posted by Doctoris Scientia:
I'm confused!

85500, are Tigray-Tigrinya people and Tigrinya Eritreans not in good relations, or am I just misinterpreting what your trying to say?

Yes you are a little bit confused. In Ethiopia, the people are Tigrayan, the Eritrean mutts are called Tigrinyan or Habesha, as we like to call them. They just speak the language, but they are not pure. They are mixed Beja and Arabic and have a confused identity. This is why their Tigrinian accent is so screwed up. All the mothers f ucked the the Arabs and screwed up their minds. LOL.

They are also mixed with Funge, Turks, Italian, truly f ucked up mix of mutts, no surprise they are confused, listen to how this retard speaks, he knows nothing about who he is.

The Tigrayan of Ethiopia always had different rulers and different politics from these mutts. Sometimes the government tried to accept them, but they are assholes, still confused to who they are.

Funny thing is, both wanted to be independent from Ethiopia or should I say Menelik, both they also wanted to be separate from eachother. It's not Menelik who offered their territory to Italians its their own traitor Ras Alula who offered their territory to the Italians.

This retard never tells you that the Eritrea mutts joined the Italian army to fight for control of Ethiopia. We will never consider them our brothers, they are the true friends of the enemy.

Ask this retard why did they fight with their colonial rulers instead of fighting against them, then you will see what kind of identity crisis we are dealing with.

First of all I am of Beja and Eritrean blood. My father Beja, my mother Eritrean and we fight for the cause of the Black African, not against them!

I seem to notice how you lie and slander our people as if you know "anything" about "us" or our culture. How dare you say such idiotic things?
The SPLM, the Beja Congress, the Tiffa, what do you think that is all about?
We cannot help the fact that the racist arabs rape Eritrean women that live in places that are populated by arabs. Just as you cannot control the whiteman urge to rape your women in his country. I say this, as if I know that you are American, because I know you are! Real Africans in this country know what is really going on and "us" without any help from outside of "us" have begun to do something about it. What is the African-American doing for his own cause in America?

It is so amazing how so many people will lie just to get a point up on someone in a worthless conversation.

Grow up!

How do you Eriterians fight for the cause of black Africa? Have you been involved with the unification agenda or are you working for the division and separation agenda?
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No matter what answer I give you, you will still(like most Americans) try and find another way to argue the same things in circles.

No more of that from me to the likes of you! Beleive what you want to beleive seeing that the Americans know everything about Africa, Europe, Asia, Ausralia,Anartica, South America, North America! You name it, yall got all the answer!

People like you will never learn a thing!

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