quote:Originally posted by the lioness: awlaadberry was Prophet Muhammad Negroid?
I find this definition:
Negroid [ˈniːgrɔɪd] adj (Social Science / Peoples) denoting, relating to, or belonging to one of the major racial groups of mankind, characterized by brown-black skin, tightly-curled hair, a short nose, and full lips. This group includes the indigenous peoples of Africa south of the Sahara, their descendants elsewhere, and some Melanesian peoples n (Social Science / Peoples) a member of this racial group
Is this what you mean?
It's an o.k. definition. Let's for the purposes of argument set aside the indigenous to Africa part. Was Prophet Muhammad characterized as having brown-black skin, tightly-curled hair of the afro type, a short nose and full lips?
His hair was described as not straight and not very tightly curled. And you should understand that tightly curled is not the same as afro type. This is tightly curled:
He is not described as having a short nose, but his cousin and uncle are. This man doesn't have a short nose either. Is he "Negroid":
This boy's hair isn't tightly curled and it isn't straight either. Is he "Negroid":
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: awlaadberry was Prophet Muhammad Negroid?
I find this definition:
Negroid [ˈniːgrɔɪd] adj (Social Science / Peoples) denoting, relating to, or belonging to one of the major racial groups of mankind, characterized by brown-black skin, tightly-curled hair, a short nose, and full lips. This group includes the indigenous peoples of Africa south of the Sahara, their descendants elsewhere, and some Melanesian peoples n (Social Science / Peoples) a member of this racial group
Is this what you mean?
It's an o.k. definition. Let's for the purposes of argument set aside the indigenous to Africa part. Was Prophet Muhammad characterized as having brown-black skin, tightly-curled hair of the afro type, a short nose and full lips?
Is this man "Negroid"? His nose isn't short and his lips aren't full:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: awlaadberry was Prophet Muhammad Negroid?
I find this definition:
Negroid [ˈniːgrɔɪd] adj (Social Science / Peoples) denoting, relating to, or belonging to one of the major racial groups of mankind, characterized by brown-black skin, tightly-curled hair, a short nose, and full lips. This group includes the indigenous peoples of Africa south of the Sahara, their descendants elsewhere, and some Melanesian peoples n (Social Science / Peoples) a member of this racial group
Is this what you mean?
It's an o.k. definition. Let's for the purposes of argument set aside the indigenous to Africa part. Was Prophet Muhammad characterized as having brown-black skin, tightly-curled hair of the afro type, a short nose and full lips?
His hair was described as not straight and not very tightly curled. And you should understand that tightly curled is not the same as afro type. This is tightly curled:
He is not described as having a short nose, but his cousin and uncle are. This man doesn't have a short nose either. Is he "Negroid":
This boy's hair isn't tightly curled and it isn't straight either. Is he "Negroid":
these are all Negroid. If Muhammad looked like them he's Negroid. The older man looks 75-80% Negroid, he has some Semitic aspects. It's hard to tell at that age. The boy at the bottom has combed out afro type hair. He's clearly "Negroid", The kids looks pure African. The older man looks mainly Negroid. His hair might be kinky it's hard to tell. That is a major factor.
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awlaadberry the man above has some Eurasian tendencies but equal amount of African in his features and skull but his skin is pretty dark. He's in between structurally. If his hair is kinky, tightly curled hair it's close enough to call him "black" or "negroid". If Prophet Muhammad looked like this and had such hair, that hair would tip him into the Negroid category. But if his hair was straight, really straight not a combed out afro then I would say he is not "black" not "negroid"
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: awlaadberry was Prophet Muhammad Negroid?
I find this definition:
Negroid [ˈniːgrɔɪd] adj (Social Science / Peoples) denoting, relating to, or belonging to one of the major racial groups of mankind, characterized by brown-black skin, tightly-curled hair, a short nose, and full lips. This group includes the indigenous peoples of Africa south of the Sahara, their descendants elsewhere, and some Melanesian peoples n (Social Science / Peoples) a member of this racial group
Is this what you mean?
It's an o.k. definition. Let's for the purposes of argument set aside the indigenous to Africa part. Was Prophet Muhammad characterized as having brown-black skin, tightly-curled hair of the afro type, a short nose and full lips?
His hair was described as not straight and not very tightly curled. And you should understand that tightly curled is not the same as afro type. This is tightly curled:
He is not described as having a short nose, but his cousin and uncle are. This man doesn't have a short nose either. Is he "Negroid":
This boy's hair isn't tightly curled and it isn't straight either. Is he "Negroid":
these are all Negroid. If Muhammad looked like them he's Negroid. The older man looks 75-80% Negroid, he has some Semitic aspects. It's hard to tell at that age. The boy at the bottom has combed out afro type hair. He's clearly "Negroid", The kids looks pure African. The older man looks mainly Negroid. His hair might be kinky it's hard to tell. That is a major factor.
What do you mean by Semitic aspects? What's un-Semitic about him and the others?
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: awlaadberry was Prophet Muhammad Negroid?
I find this definition:
Negroid [ˈniːgrɔɪd] adj (Social Science / Peoples) denoting, relating to, or belonging to one of the major racial groups of mankind, characterized by brown-black skin, tightly-curled hair, a short nose, and full lips. This group includes the indigenous peoples of Africa south of the Sahara, their descendants elsewhere, and some Melanesian peoples n (Social Science / Peoples) a member of this racial group
Is this what you mean?
It's an o.k. definition. Let's for the purposes of argument set aside the indigenous to Africa part. Was Prophet Muhammad characterized as having brown-black skin, tightly-curled hair of the afro type, a short nose and full lips?
His hair was described as not straight and not very tightly curled. And you should understand that tightly curled is not the same as afro type. This is tightly curled:
He is not described as having a short nose, but his cousin and uncle are. This man doesn't have a short nose either. Is he "Negroid":
This boy's hair isn't tightly curled and it isn't straight either. Is he "Negroid":
these are all Negroid. If Muhammad looked like them he's Negroid. The older man looks 75-80% Negroid, he has some Semitic aspects. It's hard to tell at that age. The boy at the bottom has combed out afro type hair. He's clearly "Negroid", The kids looks pure African. The older man looks mainly Negroid. His hair might be kinky it's hard to tell. That is a major factor.
What do you mean by Semitic aspects? What's un-Semitic about him and the others?
What makes them all "Negroid"? They don't have short noses, their lips aren't full, and their hair isn't tightly curled. So why do you say that they are "Negroid"?
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quote:Originally posted by awlaadberry: What makes them all "Negroid"? They don't have short noses, their lips aren't full, and their hair isn't tightly curled. So why do you say that they are "Negroid"? [/QB]
1) the kids and the boy most definitely have full lips. The old man is old and it's hard to tell because sometimes when you get old your lips thin out.
2) The kids have tightly curled kinky hair. The boy has a frizzy combed out afro. It's the same kinky hair grown out and combed
3) they all have dark skin
4) none of them has a nose that is both thin and sticks straight out far and pointy
5) none of them have hair that is naturally straight and completely not frizzy (although it's hard to see the old man's hair)
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quote:Originally posted by awlaadberry: What makes them all "Negroid"? They don't have short noses, their lips aren't full, and their hair isn't tightly curled. So why do you say that they are "Negroid"?
1) the kids and the boy most definitely have full lips. The old man is old and it's hard to tell because sometimes when you get old your lips thin out.
2) The kids have tightly curled kinky hair. The boy has a frizzy combed out afro. It's the same kinky hair grown out and combed
3) they all have dark skin
4) none of them has a nose that is both thin and sticks straight out far and pointy
5) none of them have hair that is naturally straight and completely not frizzy (although it's hard to see the old man's hair) [/QB]
I don't mean the little boys. And the boy's hair is not the same as the kids' hair. The kids could never grow an afro. Their hair will only curl up into tight curls like you see.
Sometimes when you get old your lips thin out??? : ))) I've never heard of that.
It seems that you are changing the definition of a "Negroid". Now you say he who doesn't have "a nose that is both thin and sticks straight out far and pointy". Before you said a short nose. Now you say he who doesn't have "hair that is naturally straight and completely not frizzy". Before you said tightly curled hair.
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quote:Originally posted by awlaadberry: What makes them all "Negroid"? They don't have short noses, their lips aren't full, and their hair isn't tightly curled. So why do you say that they are "Negroid"?
1) the kids and the boy most definitely have full lips. The old man is old and it's hard to tell because sometimes when you get old your lips thin out.
2) The kids have tightly curled kinky hair. The boy has a frizzy combed out afro. It's the same kinky hair grown out and combed
3) they all have dark skin
4) none of them has a nose that is both thin and sticks straight out far and pointy
5) none of them have hair that is naturally straight and completely not frizzy (although it's hard to see the old man's hair)
I don't mean the little boys. And the boy's hair is not the same as the kids' hair. The kids could never grow an afro. Their hair will only curl up into tight curls like you see.
Sometimes when you get old your lips thin out??? : ))) I've never heard of that.
It seems that you are changing the definition of a "Negroid". Now you say he who doesn't have "a nose that is both thin and sticks straight out far and pointy". Before you said a short nose. Now you say he who doesn't have "hair that is naturally straight and completely not frizzy". Before you said tightly curled hair. [/QB]
Awaldberry, Im sure you have seen Lyin'ass being called Spin-Zella...This is what she/He does..It starts with one position and when He-she gets debunked it spins or changes its position. Now you understand the mindset of Spin-zelli
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quote:Originally posted by awlaadberry: What makes them all "Negroid"? They don't have short noses, their lips aren't full, and their hair isn't tightly curled. So why do you say that they are "Negroid"?
1) the kids and the boy most definitely have full lips. The old man is old and it's hard to tell because sometimes when you get old your lips thin out.
2) The kids have tightly curled kinky hair. The boy has a frizzy combed out afro. It's the same kinky hair grown out and combed
3) they all have dark skin
4) none of them has a nose that is both thin and sticks straight out far and pointy
5) none of them have hair that is naturally straight and completely not frizzy (although it's hard to see the old man's hair)
I don't mean the little boys. And the boy's hair is not the same as the kids' hair. The kids could never grow an afro. Their hair will only curl up into tight curls like you see.
Sometimes when you get old your lips thin out??? : ))) I've never heard of that.
It seems that you are changing the definition of a "Negroid". Now you say he who doesn't have "a nose that is both thin and sticks straight out far and pointy". Before you said a short nose. Now you say he who doesn't have "hair that is naturally straight and completely not frizzy". Before you said tightly curled hair.
Awaldberry, Im sure you have seen Lyin'ass being called Spin-Zella...This is what she/He does..It starts with one position and when He-she gets debunked it spins or changes its position. Now you understand the mindset of Spin-zelli [/QB]
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awlaadberry the definition is not precise. The methodology is not precise. As asteb pointed out some factors can outweigh other factors and it's hard for everyone to agree an all these details. Let's not get caught up in it.
Question
1) How far back in time would you estimate that Prophets Muhammads's ancestors lived in Africa (if you believe they ever did)
2) given how people perceive Black people in America- a) someone can be perceived to be black but not be super dark they may be a shade of brown b) Americans perceive people who have true straight hair, hair that lies straight and is not at all frizzy or curly as people who are not "black" not "negroid" given this definition plus your general perception of what American people would call "black people" if Prophet Muhammad were to walk down a New York street in a T-shirt and Blue Jeans (my apologies) do you think the people would perceive him to be a black person?
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: awlaadberry the definition is not precise. The methodology is not precise. As asteb pointed out some factors can outweigh other factors and it's hard for everyone to agree an all these details. Let's not get caught up in it.
Question
1) How far back in time would you estimate that Prophets Muhammads's ancestors lived in Africa (if you believe they ever did)
2) given how people perceive Black people in America- a) someone can be perceived to be black but not be super dark they may be a shade of brown b) Americans perceive people who have true straight hair, hair that lies straight and is not at all frizzy or curly as people who are not "black" not "negroid" given this definition plus your general perception of what American people would call "black people" if Prophet Muhammad were to walk down a New York street in a T-shirt and Blue Jeans (my apologies) do you think the people would perceive him to be a black person?
I don't believe that the Prohet Mohamed's ancestors lived in "Africa". But of course the maternal ancestors of Adnani Arabs are from "Africa" through Hagar. And the Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) is from Ismail, the son of Hagar and Abraham. And concerning your last question, yes, I believe the people would perceive him to be a "black" person.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: awlaadberry was Prophet Muhammad Negroid?
What is a "Negroid" anyway and how is he/she a "Negroid" and who gave him/her the name "Negroid"?
LOL! Negroid is a fantasy Lyin has in her head that plays in Tarzan movies. Don't be taken in by her rather meaningless questions.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: awlaadberry the man above has some Eurasian tendencies but equal amount of African in his features and skull but his skin is pretty dark. He's in between structurally. If his hair is kinky, tightly curled hair it's close enough to call him "black" or "negroid". If Prophet Muhammad looked like this and had such hair, that hair would tip him into the Negroid category. But if his hair was straight, really straight not a combed out afro then I would say he is not "black" not "negroid"
This is just in your Lyin opinion from what I gather. But you are nevertheless correct that these Negroes did once occupy Eurasia in large numbers - especially until the end of the Neolithic. I am sure you witnessed them on the megaliths at Turkey (Anatolia) when u began researching that topic. Posts: 4226 | From: New Jersey, USA | Registered: Mar 2007
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dana marniche - You give lioness too much credit, he/she hasn't researched anything, that is why you get the endless stupid questions.
But you raise an interesting question, one which has befuddled me, That is the demographics of Asia.
We know that it had a large population of Blacks, most notable in the west, were the Huns who invaded Europe in about 370 A.D. and created an enormous empire; which reached as far west as Germany. They were possibly the descendants of the Xiongnu who had been northern neighbors of China three hundred years before.
(Example - Actual group or Tribe name unknown)
And in Mongolia, you can still find a FEW who still show obvious Black linage, but they seem to be very few.
Aside from that, the only surviving evidence of Asia's ancient Black people, is in the Brown complexions of SOME of the people living there now.
Kazakhs
Kyrgyzstan
Ladakhis (Afghanistan)
Nepalese farmer on farm outside of Kathmandu, Nepal
Portrait of a Tajik man from Pahtakor village, Panj District in southern Tajikistan.
Uyghur old man at the Kashgar market, Xinjiang, China
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: awlaadberry the definition is not precise. The methodology is not precise. As asteb pointed out some factors can outweigh other factors and it's hard for everyone to agree an all these details. Let's not get caught up in it.
What an apic fail What a birdbrained moron She keeps getting smacked across the head LOL LOL It's called being a tropical variant F***ing dummy. Having African heritage doesn't manifest itself in one way. Yet you're too stupid to realise that. Africa's diversity is too large to be encompassed in what simpletons call ''Negro''.
''The older man looks 75-80% Negroid'' ''he older man looks mainly Negroid'' ''he has some Semitic aspects''
When referring to the few fulani that genetically had Eurasian ancestry:
quote:According to our own anthropological examination (data not shown), the non-sub-Saharan haplogroups are not carried by “West Eurasian-like” individuals, as might be anticipated, but were rather detected in common “Fulani type” peoples.
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The fact about the Fulani can't be ignored but MUST be spoken of more. The Fulbe that had the eurasian genetics were the ones that look like MOST West Africans, NOT the ones that look like East Africans. Stop thinking you can understand Africans by looking at pics of them.
Look at the Dogon for example, They have way more socalled "Eurasian" genes then any Fula yet they look like most West Africans.
I would laugh at Lioness but this is really just pathetic and sad.
Peace
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: awlaadberry the definition is not precise. The methodology is not precise. As asteb pointed out some factors can outweigh other factors and it's hard for everyone to agree an all these details. Let's not get caught up in it.
quote:Originally posted by Kalonji:What an apic fail What a birdbrained moron She keeps getting smacked across the head LOL LOL It's called being a tropical variant F***ing dummy. Having African heritage doesn't manifest itself in one way. Yet you're too stupid to realise that. Africa's diversity is too large to be encompassed in what simpletons call ''Negro''.
ancestry is not observed from eyeballing you f*cking idiot [/qb]
quote:Originally posted by Kalonji: But when statues are inmistacably black (Tuts bust),
what a hypocrite
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^ And now it is reduced to seeing contradictions where there are none.
I don't know what is supposed to be contradictory, but black doesn't equal ''Negro''. ''Black'' is a range of skin colors, that is exhibited by several populations in and out of Africa, like ''white'' denotes a range of skin colors that is exhibited by people in and outside of Europe.
And yes, Tuts bust dispays a color that is unseen in these ''white'' Europeans/asiatics, and it is therefore a perfectly valid tool to exlude the latter from having played the significant role in the making of the culture of Egypt and her ancient population, that you credit them with.
''Negro'' is whatever someone wishes to associate with it, most often used by rascist to white-wash people in Africa who don't always look like the stereotypical Africans (Yes, the ancient Egyptians were ''Negroid'', but not ''Negro'' Robin and Shute et al. LOL).
Sometimes though, it is used by people who have good intentions, and who also include black asiatics like Elamites, Sumerians and other Africans like East Africans.
Other times it is used by people to denigrade certain Indians, and Arabs, but who see these same populations as ''Caucasian'' as soon as the topic changes to civilisation (We don't wanna associate high culture with ''Negro''. noooooooo)
Clearly, you are one of those who view ''Negro'' as one thing, hence why you were dealt with as easily as you were by Awlaad when he showed phenotypes that are impossible to classify without admixture if you think all Africans should look a certain way.
You CAN classify them a heck of a lot better if you understand that any given phenotype encountered in (Sub)Sahelian Africa is a tropical African variant, that more often than not, display itself (along with the other phenotypes present in a that same population), outside of European averages on a cranial map.
Yes, there ARE busts of king Tut that are painted with a color that is unseen in Europeans, in fact, all of them are.
And yes, the color (black) and the features on that bust are part of the variety Africa has to offer without having to resort to ''mullatto'' speculations.
And no, I did not say anything about his ancestry in percentages, like you did with that picture. (Still can't believe it was dumb enough to do that LOL)
And no, there is nothing contradictory about my two quotes in your posts.
You stay taking losses where ever you go.
What a ''insert any word to describe a character who is conspicuously unintelligent''
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quote:Originally posted by Kalonji: ^ And now it is reduced to seeing contradictions where there are none.
I don't know what is supposed to be contradictory, but black doesn't equal ''Negro''. ''Black'' is a range of skin colors, that is exhibited by several populations in and out of Africa, like ''white'' denotes a range of skin colors that is exhibited by people in and outside of Europe.
And yes, Tuts bust dispays a color that is unseen in these ''white'' Europeans/asiatics, and it is therefore a perfectly valid tool to exlude the latter from having played the significant role in the making of the culture of Egypt and her ancient population, that you credit them with.
''Negro'' is whatever someone wishes to associate with it, most often used by rascist to white-wash people in Africa who don't always look like the stereotypical Africans (Yes, the ancient Egyptians were ''Negroid'', but not ''Negro'' Robin and Shute et al. LOL).
Sometimes though, it is used by people who have good intentions, and who also include black asiatics like Elamites, Sumerians and other Africans like East Africans.
Other times it is used by people to denigrade certain Indians, and Arabs, but who see these same populations as ''Caucasian'' as soon as the topic changes to civilisation (We don't wanna associate high culture with ''Negro''. noooooooo)
Clearly, you are one of those who view ''Negro'' as one thing, hence why you were dealt with as easily as you were by Awlaad when he showed phenotypes that are impossible to classify without admixture if you think all Africans should look a certain way.
You CAN classify them a heck of a lot better if you understand that any given phenotype encountered in (Sub)Sahelian Africa is a tropical African variant, that more often than not, display itself (along with the other phenotypes present in a that same population), outside of European averages on a cranial map.
Yes, there ARE busts of king Tut that are painted with a color that is unseen in Europeans, in fact, all of them are.
And yes, the color (black) and the features on that bust are part of the variety Africa has to offer without having to resort to ''mullatto'' speculations.
And no, I did not say anything about his ancestry in percentages, like you did with that picture. (Still can't believe it was dumb enough to do that LOL)
And no, there is nothing contradictory about my two quotes in your posts.
You stay taking losses where ever you go.
What a ''insert any word to describe a character who is conspicuously unintelligent''
you're violating your non reply reule
Anyway I think it's dishonest to use the word "black" in regard to the Tut wood bust and only if questioned say that the word black" refers to dark skinned alone when so many black people in America of instance would not regard the below man a"black man"
These terms that get switched around at someone's convenience. You accuse other people of being unscientific and then you go around using the word"black" as if it is a scientifically defined category.
Tutankhamun
Even a child could interpret with scientific precision the color of the above persons: brown not "black"
quote:Originally posted by Kalonji:Tuts bust dispays a color that is unseen in these ''white'' Europeans/asiatics
Yes, in favor of my ''it's fun to verbally smack silly posters around'' rule.
And my: ''Can't let birdbrained ramblings go around without confronting it'' rule.
You produce tanned Europeans to compare to Tut's bust, EPIC FAIL.
As for your other bullcrap about ''what people in America consider dark'', what I said in my post, isn't based on what other people consider to be true. It is based on simple logic. If the Indian man finds himself inside the color range of pigmented people like African Americans, and he obviously does, then he is part of that ''black'' color range.
Just like his ancient and modern Brahmin brothers up north saw his ancesters, and named them ''Dalit''. If they consider themselves black? That is something that depends on their on connotation to the word, and willingness to accept those connotations. Certain ''dark'' South Africans have been known to react hostile to being called black. Yet you would have to be out of your mind to think their self concept has any bearing on their elevated melanin levels.
The lady with the green headdress either has some non African ancestry, Khoisan ancestry, or is just an outlier from two black parents.
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quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: Alwaadberry can you explain why Muhammed said those things about Kemet, was he sending Caliphs into Egypt??
Also what Hadith is it in?? Don't mean to be a Nusaince just curious..
Also I found this..
Caliph Walid 1
caliph Walid built a Desert palace where aparantly there is an image of the king as well as his enemies..(Im still looking for the Walid's Image).
Seems you and Dana might be onto something..some of those figures look black. That wall fresco is apparently people that helped build the palace.
However this same figure is on the cover of this book..
Now I don't know if its Walid himself(The Fact that he is on the cover must mean something). But if it is then its proof that you and Dana are right that the first Caliphs were black, I mean the man looks black with an Afro. Personally I wish I had the book because its Images of Islamic figures 600-1000 A.D...which is very up my alley. However its 100 bucks and Im tight for cash, Im a student you know how that is.
Anyway Im gonna search the net to see if I can find the Image of the Caliph.
Thank you Jari - I just noticed this posting and book. I spent about 100 to get the book Bible Came from Arabia. Looks like I will have to now spend another hundred for a book. Posts: 4226 | From: New Jersey, USA | Registered: Mar 2007
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: dana marniche - You give lioness too much credit, he/she hasn't researched anything, that is why you get the endless stupid questions.
But you raise an interesting question, one which has befuddled me, That is the demographics of Asia.
We know that it had a large population of Blacks, most notable in the west, were the Huns who invaded Europe in about 370 A.D. and created an enormous empire; which reached as far west as Germany. They were possibly the descendants of the Xiongnu who had been northern neighbors of China three hundred years before.
(Example - Actual group or Tribe name unknown)
yes ur right mike i should have said when Lyin' began "looking into" the topic. She probably just looked at the pictures in fact. LOL!
However- the people you have posted are only moderately brown and typically of most Asiaitics. There are much darker skinned nomadic people however still living in Central Asia that look much closer to the man in this painting above. They are dark brown and with almost no "Asian" features who must be descendants of these original black Huns. I just know this from seeing them on a few news speicals in the US on what is happening on Afghanistan. I am looking for their photographs now.
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quote:Originally posted by Kalonji: If the Indian man finds himself inside the color range of pigmented people like African Americans, and he obviously does, then he is part of that ''black'' color range.
there is no "black color range" all people who are not albinos are pigmented. You're getting deeper into nonsensical vague, could mean anything language. When I use the word black I use it with the connotations. You pretend that you are using without connotations yet you don't indicate that. If you use it just to mean a color than most or all people who other people call black are not black.
When looking at the color "brown" it does not fall in a "black color range".
It's a common word in everyday use in case you didn't know. For example milk chocolate is brown. Whole wheat bread is brown.
There is a word for brown, it's brown.
If you look at the wood bust of King Tut for example and use a word indicating color with no "connotations" he is brown. You want to cut out the bullsyt and be objective, well practice what you preach and name the color range accurately. It's easy the color range is brown.
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quote:Originally posted by dana marniche: However- the people you have posted are only moderately brown and typically of most Asiaitics. There are much darker skinned nomadic people however still living in Central Asia that look much closer to the man in this painting above. They are dark brown and with almost no "Asian" features who must be descendants of these original black Huns. I just know this from seeing them on a few news speicals in the US on what is happening on Afghanistan. I am looking for their photographs now.
That is music to my ears dana marniche, it's been a long time since someone brought something to improve my knowledge - I had never heard of those people.
As you can see from my new thread, the Asiatics have me completely confused. I am not even close to being able to piece together a cohesive history for those people.
BTW - often times those stations will post web videos on past shows. It would be great if you could find some of those.
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quote: Originally posted by the lioness: there is no "black color range"
There IS a black color range. If I can come out lighter skinned than my brother without having any differing ancestry, then we are both in terms of skin color, positioned along a spectrum. Note that brown skin vs black skin is NOT a result of a different type of Melanin, but that it’s the result of less melanin. Hence, the range of melanin levels that can express itself in two or more individuals who may or may not differ in ancestry.
^ Dim witted people like you need to pay attention to my last sentence. ** THE RANGE OF MELANIN LEVELS THAT CAN EXPRESS ITSELF IN TWO OR MORE INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY OR MAY NOT DIFFER IN ANCESTRY **.
DEFINITION Range The area or sphere in which an activity takes place.
This same range I referred to above, is present among southern Indians, Aboriginals, Elamites, Sumerians, certain Arabs etc. Whether you or others agree with it or not, has no bearing on their potential to express elevated levels of Melanin comparable to people from Sub Saharan Africa.
quote: Originally posted by the lioness: When I use the word black I use it with the connotations.
You sure do, and that’s where you start seeing through your pre conceived notions, instead of seeing with your eyes. Since the melanin level of the Indian man you’ve posted is indeed dark enough to be within the range of what is possible for an African to express.
quote: Originally posted by the lioness: When looking at the color "brown" it does not fall in a "black color range".
It's a common word in everyday use in case you didn't know. For example milk chocolate is brown. Whole wheat bread is brown.
There is a word for brown, it's brown.
Exactly, and when we return reality and realise that the topic is about skincolor, we come to the conclusion that brown vs black is a difference not in type of melanin, but in intensity of Melanin. Hence ''black'' is more than just a subjective epithet, as is an extreme along a spectrum of what Africans can exhibit. And ''brown'' is just a less intense state of that extreme.
But don't take all of this into account. Go ahead and call it brown. Nothing stops you from doing so. But don’t say using the epithet ‘’black’’ is tantamount to speculating about ancestry. Like you did here:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness ''The older man looks 75-80% Negroid''
And then you felt the need to force a contradiction by juxtaposing two quotes of mine to hide the fact that you exposed yourself again by saying someone is 85% negroid based on facial features:
quote: originally posted by lioness
Originally posted by Kalonji: ancestry is not observed from eyeballing you f*cking idiot
Originally posted by Kalonji: But when statues are inmistacably black (Tuts bust),
The first one confronts you for speculating about percentages of ancestry based on someones facial features
And the second refers to where I commented on the skin tone of King Tuts bust.
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^Yes, MOM vs Lion all over again Repeating a quote that has been shown to have zero relevance repeatedly when your chances of winning an argument are out of the window.
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quote:Originally posted by the lyingass: awlaadberry the man above has some Eurasian tendencies but equal amount of African in his features and skull but his skin is pretty dark. He's in between structurally...
The dummy above does not realize that Africans come in many features and so do Eurasians.
What are we to make of these Eurasians below who look for all intensive purposes "negroid"??
[QUOTE you sank yourself with that one [/QUOTE] Not really but you sink yourself and shoot yourself in the face all the time. Which is why you are great entertainment. Posts: 26286 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted 12 April, 2007 09:05 PM by abdulkarem3: i looked up the dictionary the meaning of the word badada by ibn sina. He said "that the people of the slavs can reach a whiteness to were their skin is like badada" it means no skin literally but the the context is just talking about the blue veins and pinkinsh undertones like in the famous euro term sangre bleau(blue blood) in reference to royalty skin color contrast outdoor workers.
in the Seerat of ibn hisham vol.1 he brings a statement attributed to the prophet muhammad saying "الله الله في أهل الذمة، أهل المدرة السوداء السحم الجعاد ، فإن لهم نسبا وصهرا "
quote:Originally posted by awlaadberry: When I read comments like this:
"I hate Islam personally, After studying Islam no Africancentric or any black person in his right mind should convert into that religion."
I wonder if people who say things like this realize that it is reported that the Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) said this:
"Fear Allah - Fear Allah concerning the black-skinned, kinky-haired People of the Black Soil (People of Kemet) who are under your protection! Verily they are your relatives."
الله الله في أهل الذمة ، أهل المدرة السوداء السحم الجعاد فإن لهم نسبا وصهرا
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Comparative translations
quote:Originally posted 12 April, 2007 09:05 PM by abdulkarem3: i looked up the dictionary the meaning of the word badada by ibn sina. He said "that the people of the slavs can reach a whiteness to were their skin is like badada" it means no skin literally but the the context is just talking about the blue veins and pinkinsh undertones like in the famous euro term sangre bleau(blue blood) in reference to royalty skin color contrast outdoor workers.
in the Seerat of ibn hisham vol.1 he brings a statement attributed to the prophet muhammad saying "الله الله في أهل الذمة، أهل المدرة السوداء السحم الجعاد ، فإن لهم نسبا وصهرا "
quote:Originally posted by awlaadberry: When I read comments like this:
"I hate Islam personally, After studying Islam no Africancentric or any black person in his right mind should convert into that religion."
I wonder if people who say things like this realize that it is reported that the Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) said this:
"Fear Allah - Fear Allah concerning the black-skinned, kinky-haired People of the Black Soil (People of Kemet) who are under your protection! Verily they are your relatives."
الله الله في أهل الذمة ، أهل المدرة السوداء السحم الجعاد فإن لهم نسبا وصهرا
Mine is more accurate - if I might say so. ji'aad means kinky-haired and sihaam means very black-skinned.
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Let somebody else brag on you Narcissus <smiles>. Me I'd like more independent translations in order to compare each one for likeness and difference and nuance of interpretation.
What I lkie most is the style one author used for translating and teaching the language simultaneous. He would make this allignment Line 1: the Arabic original Line 2: Arabic script transliterated by Latin characters Line 3: English translation of each transliterated word Line 4: proper English grammar translation using the transliterated words
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Let somebody else brag on you Narcissus <smiles>. Me I'd like more independent translations in order to compare each one for likeness and difference and nuance of interpretation.
What I lkie most is the style one author used for translating and teaching the language simultaneous. He would make this allignment Line 1: the Arabic original Line 2: Arabic script transliterated by Latin characters Line 3: English translation of each transliterated word Line 4: proper English grammar translation using the transliterated words
AlTakruri,
It's not about bragging. It's about spreading the truth and not hiding things from the masses. I was just telling you which is the correct translation - if you want the correct translation. The translation that you posted does not say what the Arabic says nor does it have any meaning in English. What does this mean:
"(oh)god (oh)god (there is) within a people of protection(dhimmies), people of black towns or communities (with) dark skin and curly hair"
As you can see, it means nothing whatsoever. And whoever translated the word سحام "sihaam" to mean just dark-skinned is not being very forthcoming because he/she knows or should know that the word means very black-skinned. The word المدرة "al-madra" means soil or mud and "al-madra as-sawdaa" means black soil. The word أهل "ahl" means "the People of" so أهل المدرة السوداء "ahl al-madra as-sawdaa" means "The People of the Black Soil".
The first part, which says: الله الله في "Allah, Allah fi..." is an expression meaning "Fear Allah concerning..." It doesn't mean "Oh God, Oh God there is within..."
This is a more accurate translation of the Arabic - if truth and accuracy is what you want. And I am not bragging. Posts: 895 | Registered: Feb 2010
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Im sick of you all trying to pass judgement, first off the Prophet and Son of God, when angered beat the hypocrites and scribes and over turned the money holders.
You think Y-shuah the Savior of Israel and the Most High jumped for Joy and smiled when the Arabs beheaded 600 Men of Israel(the so called Banu Qurayza)...for not accepting Muhammed's lies??
Im sick of you Arabs disrespecting, spitting on and insulting my blood forefather, savior, and Lord Y-shuah Christ. First you plagerized and twisted his words, then you lie and say he is "Just a Prophet" then you insult him by saying a Non Jew Trash Arab was the last prophet....Why don't you all go live amoung your own kind, why come to Judeo-Christian lands and nations..?? Why flock and live amoung us?? [/QB][/QUOTE]
Thats how you feel Jari? I don't even know if I should bother replying to your impudence. But I will.
First off, you do not understand Islam. I admit you put a little effort to studying the basic rudiments of the faith. But, you analyzed the info with the abhorrence you have for the Arabs. In no way or fashion will you ever understand a teaching if you carry hate in your heart.
When will you and others realize not to judge the teacher based off the immaturity of his students? This applies for followers of every prophet.
I have a question for you... Let just say you were a leader of a tribe. Right? And there happens to be a conflict between your tribe and neighboring tribes. One tribe(let call this tribe, tribe 21) decided to sign a peace treaty with you. However. tribe 21 was diabolically conspiring with your enemies to commit genocide amongst your people. You find this out. WHAT WOULD YOU DO?
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quote:Originally posted by awlaadberry: When I read comments like this:
"I hate Islam personally, After studying Islam no Africancentric or any black person in his right mind should convert into that religion."
I wonder if people who say things like this realize that it is reported that the Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) said this:
Where did Mohamed say this? "Fear Allah - Fear Allah concerning the black-skinned, kinky-haired People of the Black Soil (People of Kemet) who are under your protection! Verily they are your relatives."
الله الله في أهل الذمة ، أهل المدرة السوداء السحم الجعاد فإن لهم نسبا وصهرا
quote:Originally posted by awlaadberry: When I read comments like this:
"I hate Islam personally, After studying Islam no Africancentric or any black person in his right mind should convert into that religion."
I wonder if people who say things like this realize that it is reported that the Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) said this:
Where did Mohamed say this? "Fear Allah - Fear Allah concerning the black-skinned, kinky-haired People of the Black Soil (People of Kemet) who are under your protection! Verily they are your relatives."
الله الله في أهل الذمة ، أهل المدرة السوداء السحم الجعاد فإن لهم نسبا وصهرا
It is reported that he said this in a hadith. I believe the hadith is in Ibn Hisham's book.
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