South Tunisian HLA gene profile has studied for the first time. HLA-A, -B, -DRB1 and -DQB1 allele frequencies of Ghannouch have been compared with those of neighboring populations, other Mediterraneans and Sub-Saharans. Their relatedness has been tested by genetic distances, Neighbor-Joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses. Our HLA data show that both southern from Ghannouch and northern Tunisians are of a Berber substratum in spite of the successive incursions (particularly, the 7th–8th century A.D. Arab invasion) occurred in Tunisia. It is also the case of other North Africans and Iberians. This present study confirms the relatedness of Greeks to Sub-Saharan populations. This suggests that there was an admixture between the Greeks and Sub-Saharans probably during Pharaonic period or after natural catastrophes (dryness) occurred in Sahara.Posts: 8804 | From: The fear of his majesty had entered their hearts, they were powerless | Registered: Nov 2007
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Carthage was a Multi-Ethnic and prosperous African Power House, they were derived from the Phonecians an Egyptianized Naval Entity. They dominated Southern Spain and Gave the White boy Romans a real threat of Defeat.
Egypt was her Sister, West Africa, North Africa and the Med. met and mingled in this African Center.
If the White Boy Romans had left her Alone, Carthage Culture would have spread deeped into Africa, producing Timbuctus thousands of years before Arab Invaders reaching Cultures like the Tilctt Walata..
If She had defeated Rome, Northern and Western Euros would be living in Grass Huts, while Africans would be mingling with the Knowledge of Ancient Greece and Egypt, Maybe the Mali or Egyptians would have set up colonies in America.
This Thread is a Tribute to Carthage over Rome, the Potting Soil of White European Imperealism..
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Phoenicia was an ancient civilization centered in the north of ancient Canaan, with its heartland along the coastal regions of modern day Lebanon, Syria, and the region once called Palestine now known as northern Israel. Phoenician civilization was an enterprising maritime trading culture that spread across the Mediterranean during the period 1550 BC to 300 BC. Carthage is said to have been founded in 814 BC by Phoenician emigrants from Tyre, led by Princess Dido. It developed an extensive commerce throughout the Mediterranean and traded with the Tin Islands, whose location is believed to have been either Cornwall, England, or southwestern Spain. After the capture of Tyre by the Babylonians in the 6th century BC, Carthage became the natural leader of the Phoenician colonies in North Africa and Spain
The religion was Phoenician, including the worship of the Moon goddess Tanit, the great Sun god Baal-Hammon, and the Tyrian Meklarth; human sacrifices were not unknown. The original strength of Carthage lay in its commerce and its powerful navy; its armies were for the most part mercenaries. After the Third Punic War, the city was destroyed by the Romans in 146 BCE. Romans settled in Carthage around 85 BC After its capture by the Vandals in AD 439 it was little more than a pirate stronghold. From 533 it formed part of the Byzantine Empire until its final destruction by Arabs in 698, during their conquest in the name of Islam.
Zitouna Mosque (Jemaa ez-Zitouna). The largest mosque in Tunisia and an important landmark, this Aghlabite mosque dates back to the 8th century CE, although the distinctive square minaret is a much later 19th century addition.
The Aghlabid emirate in Ifriqia (The Arab term for northern Africa, which today encompasses Tunisia, the eastern half of Algeria and Tripolitania) was born at the end of half a century of political and religious turmoil following the Berber revolt of 740.
The Great Berber Revolt of 739/740-743 AD (122-125 AH in the Muslim calendar) took place during the reign of the Umayyad Caliph Hisham ibn Abd al-Malik and marked the first successful secession from the Arab caliphate (ruled from Damascus). Fired up by Kharijite puritan preachers, the Berber revolt against their Umayyad Arab rulers began in Tangiers in 740, and was led initially by Maysara al-Matghari. The revolt soon spread through the rest of the Maghreb (North Africa) and across the straits to al-Andalus (Spain)
The Umayyads scrambled and managed to prevent the core of Ifriqiya (Tunisia) and al-Andalus from falling into rebel hands. But the rest of the Maghreb was never recovered. After failing to capture the Umayyad provincial capital of Kairouan, the Berber rebel armies dissolved, and the western Maghreb fragmented into a series of small Berber statelets, ruled by tribal chieftans and Kharijite imams.
The Berber revolt was probably the largest military setback in the reign of Caliph Hisham. From it, emerged some of the first Muslim states outside the Caliphate. It is sometimes also regarded as the beginning of Moroccan independence, as Morocco would never again come under the rule of an eastern Caliph or any other foreign power until the 20th C.
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Khart Haddast or Carthage was said to be founded at about 814 B.C by Phoenician colonizers..under a legendary Queen Dido who found other people on spot on arrival.
Dido and the founding of Carthage:
Very early in ancient history, Phoenician sailors had visited the far corners of the Mediterranean sea and established commercial relations with the local people. Sidonian Phoenicians had established trading posts in the 16th century B.C. at Utica which is relatively close to where Carthage was later to be established. Their main objective was commercial to compete with their Tyrinian Phoenician brothers who had a colony at Utica. Archaeological evidence of the early settlements have been found. The position of Utica towards Carthage was precisely that of Sidon towards Tyre. It was the more ancient city of the two, and it preserved a certain kind of position without actual power. Carthage and Utica competed, like Tyre and Sidon and they were at one time always spoken of together.
Elissar and her Tyrinian entourage, including her priests and temple maidens of Ashtarte, crossed the length of the Mediterranean in several ships and settled the shores of what's today modern Tunisia. Her expedition came and negotiated with the local inhabitants on purchasing a piece of land. Sailing into the Gulf of Tunis she spied a headland that would be the perfect spot for a city and chose the very site called Cambe or Caccabe which was an ancient Sidonian Phoenician trading post. However, some records indicate that the goddess Tanit (Juno in Latin) indicated the spot were to found the city. The natives there weren't too happy about the newcomers, but Elissar was able to make a deal with their king Japon: she promised him a fair amount of money and rent for many years for as much land as she could mark out with a bull's skin.
The king thought he was getting the better end of the deal, but he soon noticed that the woman he was dealing with was smarter than he had expected. This purchase contained some intrigue while the size of the land was thought not to exceed a "Bull's Hide," it actually was a lot larger then ever thought. The trick she and her expedition employed was that they cutup a bull's hide into very thin which they sewed together into one long string. Then they took the seashore as one edge for the piece of land and laid the skin into a half-circle. Consequently, Elissar and her company got a much bigger piece of land than the king had thought possible. The Carthaginians continued to pay rent for the land until the 6th century BC. That hilltop today is called the "Byrsa." Byrsa means "ox hide." However, there is some confusion over the word; some believe that it refers to the Phoenician word borsa which means citadel or fortress. phoenicia.org/elissardidobio.html
So has one can see there was no plundering or forcing of the natives off their lands..but what of the natvies themselves?...well they are non other than the so-called Berbers an African people carrying East African male dna and significant Eurisian mtdna..maybe the experts on this board can explain it better than I. so quite possibily they looked like both AlT's creamy colored libyans and the much darker types such as the Taurages and others..so in that sense they would look very similar to the incomming Pheonicians and coin and sculpture beres this out. As to when these Africans pick-up EurAsian mtdna is still being debated.(Originally By Brada Asani..
The Phoenicians were the direct descendents of the Canaanites of the south Syrian and Lebanese coast who, at the end of the second millennium BC, became isolated by population and political changes in the regions surrounding them. The name derives from the Greek, Phoinikes, referring to the purple coloured dye which the Phoenicians extracted from the murex shell, and with which they produced highly prized textiles.
The major Phoenician cities were Tyre, Sidon, Byblos and Arwad. These cities represented a confederation of fiercely independent maritime traders. By the late eighth century BC, the Phoenicians had founded trading posts and colonies around the entire Mediterranean, the greatest of which was Carthage on the north coast of Africa (present day Tunisia). Explorers and traders from Carthage even ventured beyond the Straits of Gibraltar as far as Britain in search of tin.
Phoenician craftsmen and artists perpetuated the purest ideals of their Canaanite ancestors into the first millennium and transmitted them throughout the Mediterranean world. They were extremely skilled in metalworking, ivory carving, jewellery manufacture and glass-making. One of the most significant contributions of the Phoenicians was in developing the alphabet invented by the Canaanites and passing it to the Greeks: it is the same alphabet we use today.
The Phoenicians for some centuries confined their navigation within the limits of the Mediterranean, the Propontis, and the Euxine, land- locked seas, which are tideless and far less rough than the open ocean. But before the time of Solomon they had passed the Pillars of Hercules, and affronted the dangers of the Atlantic.22 Their frail and small vessels, scarcely bigger than modern fishing-smacks, proceeded southwards along the West African coast, as far as the tract watered by the Gambia and Senegal, while northwards they coasted along Spain, braved the heavy seas of the Bay of Biscay, and passing Cape Finisterre, ventured across the mouth of the English Channel to the Cassiterides. Similarly, from the West African shore, they boldly steered for the Fortunate Islands (the Canaries), visible from certain elevated points of the coast, though at 170 miles distance. Whether they proceeded further, in the south to the Azores, Madeira, and the Cape de Verde Islands, in the north to the coast of Holland, and across the German Ocean to the Baltic, we regard as uncertain. It is possible that from time to time some of the more adventurous of their traders may have reached thus far; but their regular, settled, and established navigation did not, we believe, extend beyond the Scilly Islands and coast of Cornwall to the north-west, and to the south-west Cape Non and the Canaries. Some theories suggest that the Phoenicians reached the Americas (including Brazil).
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Trade with the West Coast of Africa and the Canaries
The trade of the Phoenicians with the west coast of Africa had for its principal objects the procuring of ivory, of elephant, lion, leopard, and deer-skins, and probably of gold. Scylax relates that there was an established trade in his day (about B.C. 350) between Phoenicia and an island which he calls Cerne, probably Arguin, off the West African coast. "The merchants," he says, "who are Phoenicians, when they have arrived at Cerne, anchor their vessels there, and after having pitched their tents upon the shore, proceed to unload their cargo, and to convey it in smaller boats to the mainland. The dealers with whom they trade are Ethiopians; and these dealers sell to the Phoenicians skins of deer, lions, panthers, and domestic animals--elephants' skins also, and their teeth. The Ethiopians wear embroidered garments, and use ivory cups as drinking vessels; their women adorn themselves with ivory bracelets; and their horses also are adorned with ivory. The Phoenicians convey to them eointment, elaborate vessels from Egypt, castrated swine(?), and Attic pottery and cups. These last they commonly purchase [in Athens] at the Feast of Cups. These Ethiopians are eaters of flesh and drinkers of milk; they make also much wine from the vine; and the Phoenicians, too, supply some wine to them. They have a considerable city, to which the Phoenicians sail up." The river on which the city stood was probably the Senegal.
It will be observed that Scylax says nothing in this passage of any traffic for gold. We can scarcely suppose, however, that the Phoenicians, if they penetrated so far south as this, could remain ignorant of the fact that West Africa was a gold-producing country, much less that, being aware of the fact, they would fail to utilise it. Probably they were the first to establish that "dumb commerce" which was afterwards carried on with so much advantage to themselves by the Carthaginians, and whereof Herodotus gives so graphic an account. "There is a country," he says, "in Libya, and a nation, beyond the Pillars of Hercules, which the Carthaginians are wont to visit, where they no sooner arrive than forthwith they unlade their wares, and having disposed them after an orderly fashion along the beach, there leave them, and returning aboard their ships, raise a great smoke. The natives, when they see the sample, come down to the shore, and laying out to view so much gold as they think the wares are worth, withdraw to a distance. The Carthaginians upon this come ashore again and look. If they think the gold to be enough, they take it and go their way; but if it does not seem to them sufficient, they go aboard ship once more, and wait patiently. Then the others approach and add to their gold, till the Carthaginians are satisfied. Neither party deals unfairly by the other: for they themselves never touch the gold till it comes up to the worth of their goods, nor do the natives ever carry off the goods until the gold has been taken away."
The nature of the Phoenician trade with the Canaries, or Fortunate Islands, is not stated by any ancient author, and can only be conjectured. It would scarcely have been worth the Phoenicians' while to convey timber to Syria from such a distance, or we might imagine the virgin forests of the islands attracting them. The large breed of dogs from which the Canaries derived their later name may perhaps have constituted an article of export even in Phoenician times, as we know they did later, when we hear of their being conveyed to King Juba; but there is an entire lack of evidence on the subject. Perhaps the Phoenicians frequented the islands less for the sake of commerce than for that of watering and refitting the ships engaged in the African trade, since the natives were less formidable than those who inhabited the mainland.
Information supplied by: "http://phoenicia.org
llustration of angus mcbride showing Phoenicians traders trading with Mandé merchants of the Pre-Imperial Mali of the Tichitt-Walata cliffs of Southern Mauritania in The 10th or 8th century BC.
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Carthage was not an "African Rome," so get lost with that patronizing ignorance.
Carthage was the Mistress that built Rome. She gave her life, gave her structure government, laws and religion. The reason why the Romans have any alphabet is the Phoenican/African/Carthagenians.
Carthage was a great power by 1200 B.C. At that time, Rome was not yet built. All that would come 600 years later.
The Romans were subjects and slaves of the Carthegians. Rome fought and won a war of independence, otherwise known as the Punic wars.
Hannibals father Baraka, was a great landowner, plantation lord, and Governor in Italy. That was the war Hannibal fought, to reclaim his fathers property.
He lost. To another black man, who was of black Nigri-Latini origin called Scipio Africanus.
From then Carthage died. And Rome grew.
But then dont forget that there were contemporary Black Empires like Ethiopia, and in Libya- the Sefewas of Siwa;
Thanks for your interest in black history.
Lion!
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to what extent Carthaginians employed Negro slaves is doubtful. Punic cemeteries have yielded numerous skulls of a negroid character, and there were some very dark-skinned Africans, perhaps negroes, in the Carthaginian army which invaded Sicily early in the fifth century B.C.
As We can See Carthage Empoyed Freemen Blacks and Berbers to Destroy White Boy Rome..
Frontinus tells us that as prisoners they were paraded naked before the Greeks soldiery in order to bring the Carthaginians into contempt. On the other hand, as the Carthaginians customarily enslved prisoners of war and the victims of their piracy, two sources of supply which they must have found very fruiful, they were far from being dependent on Africa for slave labour. It is unlikely that they hesitated to enslaved as many Berbers as they required, nor were so brutal a people likely to have drawn the line at doing the same to their own peasantry. The evidence of negro blood, is, however, significant and it seems probable that they imported slaves from the Fezzan. It was a likely source, for the Garamantes cannot have hunted the Troglodyte Ethiopians except to enslave them. The slave trade with the Fezzan may have been important tot he Carthaginians, but there are no grounds for assuming that it was.
The golden trade of the Moors: West African kingdoms in the fourteenth century By E. W. Bovill, Robin Hallet pp. 21-22
In the Punic burial grounds, negroid remains were not rare and there were black auxiliaries in the Carthaginian army who were certainly not Nilotics.
Once again Black West Africans from the Great Kingdom of Tilctt Walata and other places were very profound in Carthage and in Destroying the White Empire of Rome..
Furthermore, if we are to believe Diodorus(XX, 57.5), a lieutenant of Agathocles in northern Tuninisa at the close of the fourth century before our era overcame a people who skin was similar to the Ethiopian'. There is much evidence of the presence of 'Ethiopians' on the southern borders of Africa Minor. Throughout the classical period, mention is also made of peoples belonging to intermediate races, the Melano-Getules, or Leuco-Ethiopians in particular in Ptolemy.
General History of Africa: Ancient civilizations of Africa By G. Mokhtar, Unesco. International Scientific Committee for the Drafting of a General History of Africa p. 427
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quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: to what extent Carthaginians employed Negro slaves is doubtful. Punic cemeteries have yielded numerous skulls of a negroid character, and there were some very dark-skinned Africans, perhaps negroes, in the Carthaginian army which invaded Sicily early in the fifth century B.C.
As We can See Carthage Empoyed Freemen Blacks and Berbers to Destroy White Boy Rome..
Frontinus tells us that as prisoners they were paraded naked before the Greeks soldiery in order to bring the Carthaginians into contempt. On the other hand, as the Carthaginians customarily enslved prisoners of war and the victims of their piracy, two sources of supply which they must have found very fruiful, they were far from being dependent on Africa for slave labour. It is unlikely that they hesitated to enslaved as many Berbers as they required, nor were so brutal a people likely to have drawn the line at doing the same to their own peasantry. The evidence of negro blood, is, however, significant and it seems probable that they imported slaves from the Fezzan. It was a likely source, for the Garamantes cannot have hunted the Troglodyte Ethiopians except to enslave them. The slave trade with the Fezzan may have been important tot he Carthaginians, but there are no grounds for assuming that it was.
The golden trade of the Moors: West African kingdoms in the fourteenth century By E. W. Bovill, Robin Hallet pp. 21-22
In the Punic burial grounds, negroid remains were not rare and there were black auxiliaries in the Carthaginian army who were certainly not Nilotics.
Once again Black West Africans from the Great Kingdom of Tilctt Walata and other places were very profound in Carthage and in Destroying the White Empire of Rome..
Furthermore, if we are to believe Diodorus(XX, 57.5), a lieutenant of Agathocles in northern Tuninisa at the close of the fourth century before our era overcame a people who skin was similar to the Ethiopian'. There is much evidence of the presence of 'Ethiopians' on the southern borders of Africa Minor. Throughout the classical period, mention is also made of peoples belonging to intermediate races, the Melano-Getules, or Leuco-Ethiopians in particular in Ptolemy.
General History of Africa: Ancient civilizations of Africa By G. Mokhtar, Unesco. International Scientific Committee for the Drafting of a General History of Africa p. 427
Pink boy masturbations.
You are one sick SOB.
You want to set up a fake racist Aryanist theory about how black people lived in Carthage but were ruled by "medits of Aryas"
Nooooo!
Carthage was a black country.
The Canaanites are a semitic speaking black African family.
They established ancient Greece and Rome, because like today's sailing Somalis, they were a sea faring people and very successful colonist.
Black African Carthage set up the cities of Ibiza, Barcelona, Marseille, and so many other too, including settlements in Ireland.
But it was always a black African power, operating out of black Africa!
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The African City Of Carthage — Nelson Mandela
In the distant days of antiquity, a Roman sentenced this African city to death: “Carthage must be destroyed (Carthago delenda est)”.
And Carthage was destroyed. Today we wander among its ruins, only our imagination and historical records enable us to experience its magnificence. Only our African being makes it possible for us to hear the piteous cries of the victims of the vengeance of the Roman Empire.
And yet we can say this, that all human civilisation rests on foundations such as the ruins of the African city of Carthage. These architectural remains, like the pyramids of Egypt, the sculptures of the ancients kingdoms of Ghana and Mali and Benin, like the temples of Ethiopia, the Zimbabwe ruins and the rock paintings of the Kgalagadi and Namib deserts, all speak of Africa’s contribution to the formation of the condition of civilisation.
But in the end, Carthage was destroyed. During the long interregnum, the children of Africa were carted away as slaves. Our lands became the property of other nations, our resources a source of enrichment for other peoples and our kings and queens mere servants of foreign powers.
In the end, we were held out as the outstanding example of the beneficiaries of charity, because we became the permanent victims of famine, of destructive conflicts and of the pestilence of the natural world. On our knees because history, society and nature had defeated us, we could be nothing but beggars. What the Romans had sought with the destruction of Carthage, had been achieved.
But the ancient pride of the peoples of our continent asserted itself and gave us hope in the form of giants such as Queen Regent Labotsibeni of Swaziland, Mohammed V of Morocco, Abdul Gamal Nasser of Egypt, Kwame Nkrumah of Ghana, Murtala Mohammed of Nigeria, Patrice Lumumba of Zaire, Amilcar Cabral of Guinea Bissau, Aghostino Neto of Angola, Eduardo Mondlane and Samora Machel of Mozambique, Seretse Khama of Botswana, WEB Du Bois and Martin Luther king of America, Marcus Garvey of Jamaica, Albert Luthuli and Oliver Thambo of South Africa.
By their deeds, by the struggles they led, these and many other patriots said to us that neither Carthage nor Africa had been destroyed. They conveyed the message that the long interregnum of humiliation was over. It is in their honour that we stand here today. It is a tribute to their heroism that, today, we are able to address this august gathering.
The titanic effort that has brought liberation to South Africa, and ensured the total liberation of Africa, constitutes an act of redemption for the black people of the world. It is a gift of emancipation also to those who, because they were white, imposed on themselves the heavy burden of assuming the mantle of rulers of all humanity. It says to all who will listen and understand that, by ending the apartheid barbarity that was the offspring of European colonisation, Africa has, once more, contributed to the advance of human civilisation and further expanded the frontiers of liberty everywhere.
We are here today not to thank you, dear brothers and sisters, because such thanks would be misplaced among fellow-combatants – we are here to salute and congratulate you for a most magnificent and historical victory over an inhuman system whose very name was tyranny, injustice and bigotry.
When the history of our struggle is written, it will tell a glorious tale of African solidarity, of African’s adherence to principles. It will tell a moving story of the sacrifices that the peoples of our continent made, to ensure that that intolerable insult to human dignity, the apartheid crime against humanity, became a thing of the past. It will speak of the contributions of freedom – whose value is as measureless as the gold beneath the soil of our country – the contribution which all of Africa made, from the shores of the Mediterranean Sea in the north, to the confluence of the Indian and Atlantic Oceans in the north.
Africa shed her blood and surrendered the lives of her children so that all her children could be free. She gave of her limited wealth and resources so that all of Africa should be liberated. She opened heart of hospitality and her head so full of wise counsel, so that we should emerge victorious. A million times, she put her hand to the plough that has now dug up the encrusted burden of oppression accumulated for centuries.
The total liberation of Africa from foreign and white minority rule has now been achieved. Our colleagues who have served with distinction on the OAU liberation committee have already carried out the historical task of winding up this institution, which we shall always remember as a frontline fighter for the emancipation of the people of our continent.
Finally, at this summit meeting in Tunis, we shall remove from our agenda the consideration of the question of Apartheid South Africa.
Where South Africa appears on the agenda again, let it be because we want to discuss what its contribution shall be to the making of the new African renaissance. Let it be because we want to discuss what materials it will supply for the rebuilding of the African city of Carthage.
One epoch with its historic tasks has come to an end. Surely, another must commence with its own challenges. Africa cries out for a new birth, Carthage awaits the restoration of its glory.
STATEMENT OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA, NELSON MANDELA, AT THE OAU MEETING OF HEADS OF STATE AND GOVERNMENT
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quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: ^^^^^ Scipio Africanus the White European who destoyed Carthage..
^^^^ Hannibal the Canaanite/African..
Long Live Carthage..
Your photo-spams are fake modern reconstructions.
The real Scipio Africanus as depicted by his coin minted in his life-time...see the wooly hair...no animal neaderthal hair
Indeed, long live Ethiopia,Carthage, Sudan, Ghana, Mali, Zanzibar, Azania, Nigeria, and Jamaica...
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Shomarka Keita, a biological anthropologist from Howard University, has claimed that populations in Carthage circa 200 BC and northern Algeria 1500 BC were very diverse. As a group, they plotted closest to the populations of Northern Egypt and intermediate to Northern Europeans and tropical Africans. Keita claimed that "the data supported the comments from ancient authors observed by classicists:everything from fair-skinned blonds to peoples who were dark-skinned 'Ethiopian' or part Ethiopian in appearance.
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quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: Shomarka Keita, a biological anthropologist from Howard University, has claimed that populations in Carthage circa 200 BC and northern Algeria 1500 BC were very diverse. As a group, they plotted closest to the populations of Northern Egypt and intermediate to Northern Europeans and tropical Africans. Keita claimed that "the data supported the comments from ancient authors observed by classicists:everything from fair-skinned blonds to peoples who were dark-skinned 'Ethiopian' or part Ethiopian in appearance.
Jari
You are a fake ass. This girl you posted is not from North Africa. She is from Pakistan. Here is the link where you got it...
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Iron are you serious, as if this proves something? You can barely make it out
I am serious sweetie. The power is the locks!
Does it look like a Cagot to you?
THE HAIR!
The Science of Trichology (the scientific analysis of hair)
Many Black scholars try skillfully to avoid the hair problem. This is a mistake! In 1914, a white doctor in Detroit initiated divorce proceeding against his wife whom he suspected of being a “closet Negro”. At the trial, the Columbia University anthropologist, Professor Franz Boas (1858-1942), was called upon as a race expert. Boas declared: “If this woman has any of the characteristics of the Negro race it would be easy to find them . . . one characteristic that is regarded as reliable is the hair. You can tell by microscopic examination of a cross-section of hair to what race that person belongs.”
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quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: Shomarka Keita, a biological anthropologist from Howard University, has claimed that populations in Carthage circa 200 BC and northern Algeria 1500 BC were very diverse. As a group, they plotted closest to the populations of Northern Egypt and intermediate to Northern Europeans and tropical Africans. Keita claimed that "the data supported the comments from ancient authors observed by classicists:everything from fair-skinned blonds to peoples who were dark-skinned 'Ethiopian' or part Ethiopian in appearance.
Jari
You are a fake ass. This girl you posted is not from North Africa. She is from Pakistan. Here is the link where you got it...
I hope you're smart enough to realize that the illustration with regard to the Mande was created well after the fact and the scene probably is based on more fantasy than fact.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Jari - When I saw you post the picture below. I was thinking, damn; is he going to be in trouble with Mazigh for showing Blacks as Berbers.
And lo and behold, they too were INCLUDING Blacks as BERBERS - WOW! Of course, to them, this is a REAL Berber:
And the ONLY type of female that they will show.
When showing Black males; they are careful to identify them as Touaregs.
What silly, silly, people, these Sand Niggers are!
Mike its obvious that lighter Berbers are that way due to European Admixture esp. those in the Mts. and the Atlas like the Kabyle. The question is When did the Berbers become lighter, some say in the B.C and Prehistory Era. other more recent.
I still don't understand why Berber is alays thought of as a non black entity, Berber is like saying "Asians"...there are light and Dark Asians.
Sadly for Mathilda the So called Berbers of the Canaries are mainly Spainaird.
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White admixture in North Africa began with the Dorian Greeks in Cyrene Libya circa 650 B.C. Then the Romans, Alans, Goths, and in modern times, French and Italians by the millions.
My problem with these ass-holes is that they want to claim pristine Berberhood, not only that, they want to REPRESENT Berbers - What NERVE! If they acknowledged their true mixed status - most times really not much actual Berber blood at all - I wouldn't have a problem with them.
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^^^ Yeah I do think its kinda obsurd for people to present the Lighter Berbers as "Pure" but the darker ones as mixed with "sub Saharans"..I still don't understand why people equate North Africa as non black..
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quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: ^^^^ Mosque in Tunis..
Carthage was a Multi-Ethnic and prosperous African Power House, they were derived from the Phonecians an Egyptianized Naval Entity. They dominated Southern Spain and Gave the White boy Romans a real threat of Defeat.
Egypt was her Sister, West Africa, North Africa and the Med. met and mingled in this African Center.
If the White Boy Romans had left her Alone, Carthage Culture would have spread deeped into Africa, producing Timbuctus thousands of years before Arab Invaders reaching Cultures like the Tilctt Walata..
If She had defeated Rome, Northern and Western Euros would be living in Grass Huts, while Africans would be mingling with the Knowledge of Ancient Greece and Egypt, Maybe the Mali or Egyptians would have set up colonies in America.
This Thread is a Tribute to Carthage over Rome, the Potting Soil of White European Imperealism..
Jari how does calling the Romans white boys impress anybody or make one think you are an objective observer. Secondly if Phoenician Carthage was multi-ethnic what is your proof of that. You really need to top saying things off the cuff of your head as if you some scholar had told you that. If it was multicultural than it was between Phoenicians and Moors i.e. two related AFrican "hamitic" peoples originally leaning toward blackness and Afro-Asiatic in culture. Only problem is the early Moors said they WERE the Canaanites. Posts: 4226 | From: New Jersey, USA | Registered: Mar 2007
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Jari - When I saw you post the picture below. I was thinking, damn; is he going to be in trouble with Mazigh for showing Blacks as Berbers.
And lo and behold, they too were INCLUDING Blacks as BERBERS - WOW! Of course, to them, this is a REAL Berber:
And the ONLY type of female that they will show.
When showing Black males; they are careful to identify them as Touaregs.
What silly, silly, people, these Sand Niggers are!
Mike its obvious that lighter Berbers are that way due to European Admixture esp. those in the Mts. and the Atlas like the Kabyle. The question is When did the Berbers become lighter, some say in the B.C and Prehistory Era. other more recent.
I still don't understand why Berber is alays thought of as a non black entity, Berber is like saying "Asians"...there are light and Dark Asians.
Sadly for Mathilda the So called Berbers of the Canaries are mainly Spainaird.
Jari just because a people dress Berber doesn't make them Berber. The fact is the top photo of women are likely Haratin or else Gnawa related people that therefore are probably not representative of the original Berbers. Also, the woman that is very fair skinned may be Berber by ethnicity but definitely not representative of early Berbers who are always documented as being "black" and "near black" up until the 15th century. If you don't believe me I can give you some proof - AGAIN. Berbers are a nationality today just like Arabs ARE.
By the way - I am still waiting for you to name the Arab tribe that was fair and now you or anyone else can name me the Berber tribe that was described as fair before the 15th century.
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quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: Shomarka Keita, a biological anthropologist from Howard University, has claimed that populations in Carthage circa 200 BC and northern Algeria 1500 BC were very diverse. As a group, they plotted closest to the populations of Northern Egypt and intermediate to Northern Europeans and tropical Africans. Keita claimed that "the data supported the comments from ancient authors observed by classicists:everything from fair-skinned blonds to peoples who were dark-skinned 'Ethiopian' or part Ethiopian in appearance.
jari - as Keita well knows Somali and many Cushitic people from Kenya to Tanzania also plot along the Northern European lines as far as noses go. That doesn't mean blonds were in ancient Carthage - unless you are of course talking about the Scythic Alans or the Vandals of Europe who I think came in a little later but in any case were unlikely to be amongst the founders of Carthage.
Central East African Cushites who fell into Coons Nordic category Iraqw.
Many El Moran of the Samburu and Maasaai representative of Carleton Coon's nonsensical Kurgan "Nordic" related related East AFrican.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Jari - When I saw you post the picture below. I was thinking, damn; is he going to be in trouble with Mazigh for showing Blacks as Berbers.
And lo and behold, they too were INCLUDING Blacks as BERBERS - WOW! Of course, to them, this is a REAL Berber:
And the ONLY type of female that they will show.
When showing Black males; they are careful to identify them as Touaregs.
What silly, silly, people, these Sand Niggers are!
I'm not sure what the term Sand Niggers means to u and Lion but what is certain is that a large part of the people of Sudan emerged and lived in the Sahara i.e. the Nilo Saharans the Soninke the Fulani, the Hausa and Tuareg, (and before that the the Badarians and Amratians) up until the period of great Tinmbuktu's greatness. I personally love the sands and assume many of my ancestors evolved there.
Sarah or Sahara is considered the mother of many African people barren though she may be.
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^Sand Niggers are the descendants of the Greeks, Romans, Alans, Vandals, Goths, Turks, French, and Italians, who inhabit: North Africa, the middle East, and Arabia. And who, because of a little color, as a result of admixture, have the audacity to call themselves Berbers, Egyptians, Arabs, Persians, etc.
All the while, exhibiting a dislike for BLACK people - what unmitigated gall these lying A-holes have!
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^Sand Niggers are the descendants of the Greeks, Romans, Alans, Vandals, Goths, Turks, French, and Italians, who inhabit: North Africa, the middle East, and Arabia. And who, because of a little color, as a result of admixture, have the audacity to call themselves Berbers, Egyptians, Arabs, Persians, etc.
All the while, exhibiting a dislike for BLACK people - what unmitigated gall these lying A-holes have!
Even in preserving your bone headed albino fantasies one can still come to the following scenario:
Black people have always produced albino children. According to your racial religion which rejects evolution some albino children black could have mated with normally pigmented producing a medium brown skinned people you would call half breed or mixed but not in your opinion "black". Such a population could have formed in the Middle East and Arabia before a separate part of that group of albinos even were formed and went into more Northern regions of Central Asia, Turkey and Europe. So these "mixed" "mutts" as you call them could have existed before more isolated and whiter people went into more Northerly regions. Your theory is Turkocentric. It assumes that there were no albinos prior to them that would account for the segment (not all) Levant, Mediterranean and Arabic people who have medium skin, straight hair but don't look "black". You assume that such a "mixed race" would not have existed before more lighter people formed in Europe.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Iron are you serious, as if this proves something? You can barely make it out
I am serious sweetie. The power is the locks!
Does it look like a Cagot to you?
THE HAIR!
The Science of Trichology (the scientific analysis of hair)
Many Black scholars try skillfully to avoid the hair problem. This is a mistake! In 1914, a white doctor in Detroit initiated divorce proceeding against his wife whom he suspected of being a “closet Negro”. At the trial, the Columbia University anthropologist, Professor Franz Boas (1858-1942), was called upon as a race expert. Boas declared: “If this woman has any of the characteristics of the Negro race it would be easy to find them . . . one characteristic that is regarded as reliable is the hair. You can tell by microscopic examination of a cross-section of hair to what race that person belongs.”
With this revelation, trichology (the scientific analysis of hair) reached the American public.
Maybe that coin can be examined under a microscope to determine whether the hair is negroid or caucasian.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Iron are you serious, as if this proves something? You can barely make it out
I am serious sweetie. The power is the locks!
Does it look like a Cagot to you?
THE HAIR!
The Science of Trichology (the scientific analysis of hair)
Many Black scholars try skillfully to avoid the hair problem. This is a mistake! In 1914, a white doctor in Detroit initiated divorce proceeding against his wife whom he suspected of being a “closet Negro”. At the trial, the Columbia University anthropologist, Professor Franz Boas (1858-1942), was called upon as a race expert. Boas declared: “If this woman has any of the characteristics of the Negro race it would be easy to find them . . . one characteristic that is regarded as reliable is the hair. You can tell by microscopic examination of a cross-section of hair to what race that person belongs.”
With this revelation, trichology (the scientific analysis of hair) reached the American public.
Maybe that coin can be examined under a microscope to determine whether the hair is negroid or caucasian.
Your mind is simpler than Lyinass girl's. You must be her property, her protege?
Why can you not realize that a pink-ass blue-eyed Goth with wooly hair was not yet born!
Nooo, that would be a chymera!
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South Tunisian HLA gene profile has studied for the first time. HLA-A, -B, -DRB1 and -DQB1 allele frequencies of Ghannouch have been compared with those of neighboring populations, other Mediterraneans and Sub-Saharans. Their relatedness has been tested by genetic distances, Neighbor-Joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses. Our HLA data show that both southern from Ghannouch and northern Tunisians are of a Berber substratum in spite of the successive incursions (particularly, the 7th–8th century A.D. Arab invasion) occurred in Tunisia. It is also the case of other North Africans and Iberians. This present study confirms the relatedness of Greeks to Sub-Saharan populations. This suggests that there was an admixture between the Greeks and Sub-Saharans probably during Pharaonic period or after natural catastrophes (dryness) occurred in Sahara.
Quote: This present study confirms the relatedness of Greeks to Sub-Saharan populations. This suggests that there was an admixture between the Greeks and Sub-Saharans probably during Pharaonic period or after natural catastrophes (dryness) occurred in Sahara.
zarahan, so you mean these "Pure" White people, he,he, are related to AFRICANS??? AMAZING!
Originally posted by the lioness: Iron are you serious, as if this proves something? You can barely make it out
quote:Originally posted by IronedLion:
I am serious sweetie. The power is the locks! Does it look like a Cagot to you? THE HAIR! The Science of Trichology (the scientific analysis of hair) Many Black scholars try skillfully to avoid the hair problem. This is a mistake! In 1914, a white doctor in Detroit initiated divorce proceeding against his wife whom he suspected of being a “closet Negro”. At the trial, the Columbia University anthropologist, Professor Franz Boas (1858-1942), was called upon as a race expert. Boas declared: “If this woman has any of the characteristics of the Negro race it would be easy to find them . . . one characteristic that is regarded as reliable is the hair. You can tell by microscopic examination of a cross-section of hair to what race that person belongs.” With this revelation, trichology (the scientific analysis of hair) reached the American public.
Originally posted by IronLion: ^^^^I grew up with cousins that looked exactly like that boy in the heart of tropical Nigeria. Their mothers were white but their fathers were black. I now that tribe so well know that you cannot pass one of them off to me as a "white" boy. No way. He is black to me. I say he probably got black genes, because I have blood cousins like that, who have more Nigerian culture than I do .
Jari how does calling the Romans white boys impress anybody or make one think you are an objective observer.
I don't care what people think Im posting this thread in response to the recent upsurge of lies saying that the Roman occupiers the Potting soil for European Colonialization, the Destroyers of Km.t and Carthage were Black People.
This thread is for folks like me that love Carthage and what Carthage stood for.
Secondly if Phoenician Carthage was multi-ethnic what is your proof of that.
The Remains found there as it makes sense that Carthage was the metling pot of the Ancient world as it encompassed, Black, White, and tawny Lands.
You really need to top saying things off the cuff of your head as if you some scholar had told you that. If it was multicultural than it was between Phoenicians and Moors i.e. two related AFrican "hamitic" peoples originally leaning toward blackness and Afro-Asiatic in culture.
No where did I say the Phonecians were not related to Africans or Hamites, they were clearly an Egyptianized entity.
Only problem is the early Moors said they WERE the Canaanites.
What your point here...
jari - as Keita well knows Somali and many Cushitic people from Kenya to Tanzania also plot along the Northern European lines as far as noses go.
What are you getting at??
That doesn't mean blonds were in ancient Carthage - unless you are of course talking about the Scythic Alans or the Vandals of Europe who I think came in a little later but in any case were unlikely to be amongst the founders of Carthage.
Well I don't think any Blonds made a serious impact on Carthage theough some light haired Greeks and Latins might have creeped in.
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Leo Minor - Without judging the coin at all.
The White man has created his own history with his own created facts. Thus his facts must ALWAYS be suspect.
Example:
Line 17 of your link.
AR Tetradrachm. Alexandria, in the name of Alexander III of Macedon, ca. 305-304/3 B.C. Diademed head of deified Alexander right, wearing elephant's skin headdress. Rv. Athena Alkidemos advancing right, raising javelin and holding shield; in inner left field, monogram; in inner right field,...
But the problem is that there is only ONE authentic image of Alexander the Great. It is THIS image, on THIS Coin! (source: British Museum)
While you are at it, please read this page which tells you that those images that you post, are the White mans White imagination - GREEKS DID NOT LOOK LIKE THAT!!
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Lioness - can't you think of ANYTHING sensible to say?
Nobody gives a sh1t what color Alexander was. The point is that Whites have created a false history for themselves, and supported it with fake artifacts.
This is what "REAL" Greeks looked like!
So where did THIS bullsh1t come from?
Alexander the Great - he,he.
I'll tell you where - 18, 19 century sculptors, that's where. It's total White man lies and bullsh1t!Posts: 22721 | Registered: Oct 2005
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Even the most famous Greek statue, The Venus de Milo, which was "Supposedly" discovered on the Aegean island of Milos in 1820. They say that it was Created at some time between 130 and 100 B.C, but they don't really know! Hell it could have been done by some crazy Ottoman Turk.
But even if it is legit, and was done in 100 B.C, Greece was Roman by then, so it doesn't even have to be Greek.
"For my own part, I agree with those who think that the tribes of Germany are .... unmixed race, like none but themselves.
Hence, too, the same physical peculiarities throughout so vast a population.
All have fierce blue eyes, red hair huge frames (obese), fit only for a sudden exertion. They are less able to bear laborious work. Heat and thirst they cannot in the least endure , ; to cold and hunger their climate and their soil inure them..."
Roman Historian Tacitus on the Gothas and Vandals
True Roman Blood: Emperor Valentin
True Gotha red hair, blue eyes: Justin Timberlakes
Any more qestions on Roman ethnicity?
Lion!
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Carthage was a Multi-Ethnic and prosperous African Power House, they were derived from the Phonecians an Egyptianized Naval Entity. They dominated Southern Spain and Gave the White boy Romans a real threat of Defeat.
Egypt was her Sister, West Africa, North Africa and the Med. met and mingled in this African Center.
If the White Boy Romans had left her Alone, Carthage Culture would have spread deeped into Africa, producing Timbuctus thousands of years before Arab Invaders reaching Cultures like the Tilctt Walata..
If She had defeated Rome, Northern and Western Euros would be living in Grass Huts, while Africans would be mingling with the Knowledge of Ancient Greece and Egypt, Maybe the Mali or Egyptians would have set up colonies in America.
This Thread is a Tribute to Carthage over Rome, the Potting Soil of White European Imperealism.
I don't see why you are projecting this pan African sentiment into Carthage. Things were rough in the African interior, with the Sahara being a bitch to traverse. Their focus had always been toward the Mediterrenan world. You say West Europeans would have been living in huts if they conquered Rome?? The Carthinigians had as you know already set up colonies in Western Europe, in Spain and the Phoencians had settlements all around the Mediterrean even in France. If they had defeated the Romans probably most of Mediterranean Europe would have ended up becoming an Afro-Asiatic speaking culture. Also by the time Carthage was at it's height, Egypt was under control of the ptolemies. If they won against Rome they probably would have set their sites toward the East first.
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