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Gigantic
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What is your opinion and please explain.
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No, because as an Education major I.Q or the standard I.Q only tests math and Linguistic skills, and truthfully despite the nay sayers and racialists I.Q is not the Say all End All qualifier of intelligence. I.Q is vital in measuring a child's grasp of the material.

1) What are you gonna do with Students who for ecample have lets say a 105 I.Q but preform at an 85 I.Q and a Student who has a 87% and preforms at an 85 I.Q...What about Gifted students in areas such as Spatial and Musical/Art skill who have an average IQ of say 95 but are gifted at Speatial cognition, are you gonna segregate them with a child who has the same I.Q but is not gifted??

However I do advocate schools not "segregated" but schools based on Multiple I.Q that gears students toward their strengths..

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^I am sure we can attach aptitude tests to the I.Q. ones. For instance, grouping students with low a I.Q. but whose score shows an aptitude for vocational disciplines. Would you agree with this?
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Gigantic,
The most successful societies these days are those of Scandinavia. The people there are highly educated, live in egalitarian humanistic societies and the productivity of their workers is higher than societies such as the U.S., China, Brazil, etc.

I know people who have lived there and as far as I know the school children don't even have to take aptitude tests to enter a class The education in Norway, for example, is very egalitarian.

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@ Gigantic..

^I am sure we can attach aptitude tests to the I.Q. ones. For instance, grouping students with low a I.Q. but whose score shows an aptitude for vocational disciplines. Would you agree with this?

Like I said I think you are putting too much emphasis on Math and Linguistic IQ, Don't get me wrong its important and yes I advocate students that excell in those eras should be taught an advanced course but you can't segragate students. You can't segregate disabled or special students, Schools are trying to put more S.E students in the typical classroom, unless their disabilty interferes with learning of other students.

Like I said on another thread and conversation with Hammer, Im all for Votech and STEM as Secondary options for students, so I guess we agree on this but not segregating students based on I.Q in our Current system.

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The most successful societies these days are those of Scandinavia. The people there are highly educated, live in egalitarian humanistic societies and the productivity of their workers is higher than societies such as the U.S., China, Brazil, etc.

I know people who have lived there and as far as I know the school children don't even have to take aptitude tests to enter a class The education in Norway, for example, is very egalitarian.


I agree that Scandanavia is advanced when it comes to Social programs, and its Education is top notch but are you aware of their system, do they offer Votech or Vocational oppurtunities for secondary education like places like Germany do...??

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There are certainly different types of minds out there.

Some people are able to think more abstractly and can cope with more advanced and deeper theoretical courses.

Some people lack depth but can be very effective in specific tasks if properly trained. These people are better off in vocational courses I think.

Sometimes you get people who are averse to both depth education (i.e. university level education in general) and vocational education and this is where I see problems.

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That region of Europe is fairly homogenous, would you not say?


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Gigantic,
The most successful societies these days are those of Scandinavia. The people there are highly educated, live in egalitarian humanistic societies and the productivity of their workers is higher than societies such as the U.S., China, Brazil, etc.

I know people who have lived there and as far as I know the school children don't even have to take aptitude tests to enter a class The education in Norway, for example, is very egalitarian.


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CT,
Northern Europeans are different from Southern Europeans in culture, language, diet and physical structure. There is some overlap but in general you don't find blue eyes and blond hair in Portugal, Greece and Southern Italy.You easily spot Scandinavian tourists in Rome and Athens.

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^He is probably referring to a lower frequency of non-western immigrants to scandinavia.

If so, can you back that up Gigantic?
Ie, a lower frequency of non-western immigrants compared to say, Holland or Belgium?

And if so, how different.

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quote:
That region of Europe is fairly homogenous, would you not say?


OK, misconstrued your point. But the normal Bell curve in terms of aptitudes and dispositions will still hold.

Yet all students are treated alike despite there being migrants from Southern and Eastern Europe, West Asia(Iraq) and East Africa(Somalia) living there for the past 50 years in increased numbers.

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quote:
Originally posted by Confirming Truth:
[QB] That region of Europe is fairly homogenous, would you not say?

yes, Scandinavia is filled with homos.
Apparently homos, on average, have a higher IQ.

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Thank you for answering my question. It is fairly homogenous. I have nothing further ;-)


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Originally posted by lamin:

OK, misconstrued your point. But the normal Bell curve in terms of aptitudes and dispositions will still hold.

Yet all students are treated alike despite there being migrants from Southern and Eastern Europe, West Asia(Iraq) and East Africa(Somalia) living there for the past 50 years in increased numbers. [/QB]


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I was going to answer "yes" for my own reasons, but i guess i would have been made to look foolish by lamin's Scandinavia observations.

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