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what was the skin color of Neanderthals and why was it that way?
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Edit: I am retracting my statement.

I will revisit this thread with a definite position on the skin color of the Neandertal.

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I'm not aware of any skin pigmentation analysis of the Neanderthals, although, judging from the environment and the biological response of modern humans in the same environment [like say, shortened limb proportions, although in Neanderthals this was more extreme], my guess is that Neanderthals would have been light toned to some degree. These guys were primarily hunter-gatherers, and so, I wouldn't be so quick to assume that they were necessarily as light as northern European folks, who had lightened further as a result of moving away from a primarily meat and fish rich diet to a relatively lower vitamin D grain-rich agricultural diet. Of course, with time, many European nations adopted fortified milk.

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Merriam-Webster
Definition of EXPLORER
1
: one that explores; especially : a person who travels in search of geographical or scientific information.

One who ingests spoon-fed nonsense, dressed as science: and than regurgitates it, is not an EXPLORER.

Merriam-Webster doesn't seem to have a word for it, but it's definitely not EXPLORER!

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^^^^^
Mike111 has not figured out yet that he and M.K and IronLiar are the only members of his Pseudo-Scholar world...

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Mike what is your answer to what was the skin color of Neanderthals and why was it that way?

please, a direct non sarcastic answer and no pictures

thank you,

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quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
I'm not aware of any skin pigmentation analysis of the Neanderthals, although, judging from the environment and the biological response of modern humans in the same environment [like say, shortened limb proportions, although in Neanderthals this was more extreme], my guess is that Neanderthals would have been light toned to some degree. These guys were primarily hunter-gatherers, and so, I wouldn't be so quick to assume that they were necessarily as light as northern European folks, who had lightened further as a result of moving away from a primarily meat and fish rich diet to a relatively lower vitamin D grain-rich agricultural diet. Of course, with time, many European nations adopted fortified milk.

research in support
Carles Lalueza-Fox, et al., 2007 “A Melanocortin 1 Receptor Allele Suggests Varying Pigmentation Among Neanderthals,” www.sciencexpress.org / 25 October 2007 / Page 1 / 10.1126/science.1147417

quote:
The melanocortin 1 receptor (MC1R) regulates
pigmentation in humans and other vertebrates. Variants
of MC1R with reduced function are associated with pale
skin color and red hair in humans primarily of European
origin. We amplified and sequenced a fragment of the
MC1R gene (mc1r) from two Neanderthal remains. Both
specimens have a mutation not found in ~3700 modern
humans. Functional analyses show that this variant
reduces MC1R activity to a level that alters hair and/or
skin pigmentation in humans. The impaired activity of
this variant suggests that Neanderthals varied in
pigmentation levels, potentially to the scale observed in
modern humans. Our data suggest that inactive MC1R
variants evolved independently in both modern humans
and Neanderthals.


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^I was just about to post that..

Forensic/artistic reconstruction on what they may have looked like.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
Merriam-Webster
Definition of EXPLORER
1
: one that explores; especially : a person who travels in search of geographical or scientific information.

One who ingests spoon-fed nonsense, dressed as science: and than regurgitates it, is not an EXPLORER.

Merriam-Webster doesn't seem to have a word for it, but it's definitely not EXPLORER!

Turdhead, do you ever focus on the topic but queer after me all day long?
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quote:
Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl:

research in support
Carles Lalueza-Fox, et al., 2007 “A Melanocortin 1 Receptor Allele Suggests Varying Pigmentation Among Neanderthals,” www.sciencexpress.org / 25 October 2007 / Page 1 / 10.1126/science.1147417

quote:
The melanocortin 1 receptor (MC1R) regulates
pigmentation in humans and other vertebrates. Variants
of MC1R with reduced function are associated with pale
skin color and red hair in humans primarily of European
origin. We amplified and sequenced a fragment of the
MC1R gene (mc1r) from two Neanderthal remains. Both
specimens have a mutation not found in ~3700 modern
humans. Functional analyses show that this variant
reduces MC1R activity to a level that alters hair and/or
skin pigmentation in humans. The impaired activity of
this variant suggests that Neanderthals varied in
pigmentation levels, potentially to the scale observed in
modern humans. Our data suggest that inactive MC1R
variants evolved independently in both modern humans
and Neanderthals.


Were the two test subjects European Neanderthal specimens or did it include specimen from some other territory? If the MC1R allele was highly variable in the test subjects from the same geographical region, which would be better demonstrated by tests on more than two subjects, then perhaps this may serve as yet another indication that the allele is not under any particular selective pressure in said group.
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quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
quote:
Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl:

research in support
Carles Lalueza-Fox, et al., 2007 “A Melanocortin 1 Receptor Allele Suggests Varying Pigmentation Among Neanderthals,” www.sciencexpress.org / 25 October 2007 / Page 1 / 10.1126/science.1147417

quote:
The melanocortin 1 receptor (MC1R) regulates
pigmentation in humans and other vertebrates. Variants
of MC1R with reduced function are associated with pale
skin color and red hair in humans primarily of European
origin. We amplified and sequenced a fragment of the
MC1R gene (mc1r) from two Neanderthal remains. Both
specimens have a mutation not found in ~3700 modern
humans. Functional analyses show that this variant
reduces MC1R activity to a level that alters hair and/or
skin pigmentation in humans. The impaired activity of
this variant suggests that Neanderthals varied in
pigmentation levels, potentially to the scale observed in
modern humans. Our data suggest that inactive MC1R
variants evolved independently in both modern humans
and Neanderthals.


Were the two test subjects European Neanderthal specimens or did it include specimen from some other territory? If the MC1R allele was highly variable in the test subjects from the same geographical region, which would be better demonstrated by tests on more than two subjects, then perhaps this may serve as yet another indication that the allele is not under any particular selective pressure in said group.
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Lioness

The first Albinos in this world came from Tajikistan and Turkemenistan. They mutated that way less than 6,000 years ago.

Before that, there were no albinos race.

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[Eek!] [Roll Eyes] You must be kidding me...you all are actually debating about and/or care about the skin color of NEANDERTHALS???

WTF.....I don't know whether to SMFH and KMRT or laugh....

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What does kmrt stand for?

I care.

Is it kick my right testicl or Kmart or what? Kull my red thong?

Anyway who knows. They probably didn't have skin complection like blue monkeys or anything too extreme or far off from our own.

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quote:
Originally posted by Whatbox:
What does kmrt stand for?

I care.

Is it kick my right testicl or Kmart or what? Kull my red thong?

Anyway who knows. They probably didn't have skin complection like blue monkeys or anything too extreme or far off from our own.

KMRT = KISS MI RASS TEETH
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