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There is a band in balkans/serbia they are gypsies and call themselfes black panthers! Black Culture is admired by Gypsy Activists and they try to immitade the succes of blacks civil rights movement in the US!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV7v_Zo20SE

What do you think?

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What should one think? Does it make you feel happy some group looks up to the black struggle? Dude, the days of the civil rights movement is long gone. You no longer find that quality of character in Blacks.
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quote:
Originally posted by BlackTiger:
There is a band in balkans/serbia they are gypsies and call themselfes black panthers! Black Culture is admired by Gypsy Activists and they try to immitade the succes of blacks civil rights movement in the US!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV7v_Zo20SE

What do you think?

As I stated before regarding African American assimilation and black resistance to same, the entire world has been influenced not so much by White American culture, but by the real America, Black American culture.

The (legitimate) middle eastern uprisings are all based on American civil rights protests. Contrary to White propaganda meant to smear the Black Panthers as (reverse) racists and militants, the real facts are the Black Panthers on average were 2x more intelligent then your average American Albino.

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Im a Gypsy and I like Rap Music and Hip Hop. There are these guys who call themselfes Gypsy Mafia you can search them on youtube, they make Rap.
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^^You are insane! The uprising in the Arab street is not based on American civil rights protests (LOL)!! Document for us a call to arms by the protestors during the American civil rights movement. Are you aware, the uprising in the Middle-East is violent in nature? And don't let me get started on how the civil rights movement was patterned after Ghandi's non-violent protest.
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Blacks made many efforts, from slaves to President of United States i hope gypsies can make similar efforts. Do black nationalists support gypsies?
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^Specificity my friend, specificity... It was Caribbean blacks (Haitians) who made a serious effort at revolt. The Afro-American chose flight over fight and waited to be given freedom (doctrine of emancipation) by his master.
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My take as far as us (blacks) go is that to half the people that would be cool and to the other half of people not expecting something like this they would not know what to make of it.

Like "ALE" above said though the picture over here as developed and times have changed since the Civil Rights era.

Also, it's the internet and there are all kinds of stooges so you never know who you could be talkin to. You could be talking to someone who knows their facts or you could be talking to a jive-turkey.

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It was Caribbean blacks (Haitians) who made a serious effort at revolt.
It wasn't just an effort, it was a successful revolt.

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BlackTiger, you want to know what Afrocentrists think about Gypsies, view this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLdHyfXRC2Q

This dude has a strong voice in the Afrocentric community and he advocates pure pan-Africanism with NO ALLIANCE to any non-black people. Choose your friends wisely, BlackTiger, and don't fall for the okiedoke.

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You are right! I should have qualified that with "and was successful."


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It was Caribbean blacks (Haitians) who made a serious effort at revolt.
It wasn't just an effort, it was a successful revolt.

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The Afro-American chose flight over fight and waited to be given freedom (doctrine of emancipation) by his master.
AAs were out-manned while Haitians were not. Also many who fled indeed kept up the 'fight' through the abolitionist movements. Circumstances were different in any case.
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Black Gypsy

What do you know about the Vlachi of Central Europe?

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Vlachs are Romannians (ethnic Romanians not gypsies)
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The so-called ethnic Romanians of today are immigrant Slavs and Serbs arrivng in Central Europe between the 5th AD and 9th century AD.

Do you know that the Vlach and the Nigri-Latinis were one people, the original indigenes of Central Europe, speaking the original Roma language?

Do you know about the Nigri-Latinis?

Do you recall Mont-Negro?

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By and large actually blacks could not opt for flight; or we could but once numbers of folks escaping progressed so far slave hunting and even free people abducting began happening. Ultimate flight would've been back to Africa.

Also a number of data (history, heights, diet, census) say that treatment may have differed drastically between Haitian and N. American African slaves. One particular study i came across made note of the small stature and high mortality rate of Haitian slaves attesting to brutal conditions. This same study contrasted them to the fertility and tall average height of N. American slaves and even compared them to "contemporary" (i think) Africans, though this part i didn't like. Didn't feel like checking and so am not sure whether they refer to records of the slavers' human cargo they sold or somehow they were randomly measuring the people from there. There are always limits to what people can / will do and however the N. American slaves were treated many of these people apparently grew to be VERY huge. I would image the biggest people were the most attractive slaves any way so take from all that what one will ..

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Then you do not know the history of Haitian psychology. The difference between the Haitians and AAs is the Haitians were willing to hold to their dignity to death while the AAs paid the price of compromise to survive. In other words, Haitians embraced the Hero's journey; that is, they would rather die than submit. AAs on the other hand were like the cowardly lion, willing to live in humiliation as oppose to dignity 'till death.

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The Afro-American chose flight over fight and waited to be given freedom (doctrine of emancipation) by his master.
AAs were out-manned while Haitians were not. Also many who fled indeed kept up the 'fight' through the abolitionist movements. Circumstances were different in any case.

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There are and were clear differences between the situation in Haiti and in America.

You say Haitians will never comprimise but where were the Haitians when America, Canada, and France came into your country and removed the person you all elected to lead your nation(Aristide)??

Haiti is still in the firm control of America and France. You revolution was for nothing, as whites Rule Haiti by Proxy and even Humiliate you all by every now and then Kidnapping and removing your Leaders.

We see the Mental capabilities and the spirit of Haitians everyday as they try to sneak and come illegally into the U.S to take advantage of the progress of American Blacks.

In the end Haitian;s such as your self reveal their mentality by coming to the U.S and assimilating because you all lack any real power or credibility in your own nation.

Nothing but some Piss Poor dirty savages, no blacks on Earth live in the conditions of Haiti. Probably the lowest of the low in terms of humanity and civility.
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Then you do not know the history of Haitian psychology. The difference between the Haitians and AAs is the Haitians were willing to hold to their dignity to death while the AAs paid the price of compromise to survive. In other words, Haitians embraced the Hero's journey; that is, they would rather die than submit. AAs on the other hand were like the cowardly lion, willing to live in humiliation as oppose to dignity 'till death.

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The Afro-American chose flight over fight and waited to be given freedom (doctrine of emancipation) by his master.
AAs were out-manned while Haitians were not. Also many who fled indeed kept up the 'fight' through the abolitionist movements. Circumstances were different in any case.


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JCJM, Haiti today is not what it once was. Oh yea, Haitians are taking advantage of what President Lyndon Johnson signed into law. But of course, I am not downplaying what MLK did.
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quote:
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^Specificity my friend, specificity... It was Caribbean blacks (Haitians) who made a serious effort at revolt. The Afro-American chose flight over fight and waited to be given freedom (doctrine of emancipation) by his master.

Factually, there were many thousands of armed slave revolts in the US.
The largest that you very likely are unaware of is the 30 year war between the USA military and the combined African/Native Americans forces who migrated and took over all of the State of Florida.

The US spent over $50M over a 20 year period attacking and retreating from the superior African led forces. The "Floridians" are responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of US marines sent to recover Florida.

In the meantime during this 30-40 year period, the African/Native American state built a virtual paradise in Florida where the land was cultivated to huge rice plantations, fruit orchids and Horse ranches.

One English writer commented that the resulting hybrid between Native American and Africa was what he considered, in his words;
"The Most Beautiful specimen of man that he has ever seen."

The Florida African/Native American collective failed only when internal elements sold out the larger community and the US recruited the Buffalo soldiers, participated in assisting the US in defeating the "Floridians" and who as you may or may not know following the war, marched the remaining native Americans out of Florida and into Oklahoma territory. No Africans were taken as prisoners and killed on the spot. Some did escape, and still exist today as the Seminoles.

http://www.semtribe.com/

The Native Americas still refer to this end as, The Trail Of Tears. Many of them died during the cruel multi-state march.

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^So now you are going to give Native American credit to Blacks?!?! Have you no shame?!?!

"Soldiers began rounding up Cherokees in Georgia on 26 May 1838; ten days later operations began in Tennessee, North Carolina, and Alabama. About 17,000 Cherokees - along with approximately 2,000 black slaves owned by wealthy Cherokees - were removed at gunpoint from their homes over three weeks and gathered together in camps, often with only the clothes on their backs."

2k does not constitute "many thousands." Also, they DID NOT fight as freemen! Stop with the revisionism bulljank!!

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Trail_of_Tears

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^Cherokees don't live in Florida dummy, he's obviously talking about the revolt of the Black Seminoles..
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^ White history slanted to impose a specific image.

The Real Deal:

One of the major contentions whites had with Native Americans in treaty discussions was the manner in which Native Americans treated African run-aways and so-called, slaves when a part of the Native American village.
In Native American villages, escape slaves found naturally found themselves at the bottom of the Native American tribal rung. They had to earn their keep by performing the lowest level tasks, as expected. However, they were free to move on and find new homes and were not expected by Native American tribal leaders to be "English-like" slaves.

Many worked their way into tribal leadership positions and even tribal chiefs.
The English hated this and constantly attempted to insert their method of managing slaves into Native American-US treaties. For the most part, most Native American tribes rejected this language and expectation.

In these African/Native American alliances, dissimilar people forged a bond based on what they had in common; the desire to live free of White oppression.
They combined their talents, skills and bravery to create completely new social and cultural entities throughout the ENTIRE State Of Florida.

I think the English attempted to avoid exactly what occurred in Florida where the combined Africa/Native American forces proved superior to US military might.

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^Tha boi is a "Gigantic" jackass ass...

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^^^These are his own words, Turd, "The Native Americas still refer to this end as, The Trail Of Tears. Many of them died during the cruel multi-state march" (MelaninClown, 2010, post.XX). Next time, stay out of grown folk business, Sundjata.
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Date:
Sun, 1500-11-03

*From the beginning of U. S. history, American Native populations and Africans had a historical relationship of both cooperation and confrontation.

Europeans first enslaved Indians, introducing Africans to the Americas shortly after. Nicolas de Ovando, Governor of Hispaniola first mentioned African and Indian interaction in a report, circa 1503. Indians who escaped generally knew the surrounding areas, avoided capture, and returned to help free enslaved Africans. Europeans feared an Indian/African alliance. The first slave rebellion occurred in Hispaniola in 1522, while the first on future United States soil (North Carolina) occurred in 1526. Both rebellions were organized and executed by coalitions of Africans and Indians.

Europeans feared communities of escaped Africans, known as Maroons or quilombos in frontier areas. The largest of these communities, the "Republic of Palmores," originated in the 1600s, and at its peak had a population of approximately 11,000. This community composed primarily of Africans but including Indians, contained three villages, spiritual gather places, shops, and operated under its own legal system. Its army repelled European military attacks until 1694.

White reaction to such communities was extreme despite their limited numbers. Europeans sought to keep the two peoples separated and, if possible, mutually hostile. They taught Africans to fight Indians and bribed Indians to hunt escaped Africans, promising lucrative rewards. Indians who captured escaped Africans received 35 deerskins in Virginia or three blankets and a musket in the Carolinas. Further sowing division, Whites introduced African slavery into the Five Civilized Nations in the United States.

The U. S. government ended slavery among Indians by 1776. From pre-Revolutionary times to the Civil War, the government negotiated treaties with Indian tribes that included promises by the Indians to return escaped slaves. However, while harboring many slaves, they returned none. The most powerful African-Indian alliance linked escaped Africans who had settled in Florida, and Seminoles (a word that means "runaway"), who were fleeing the Creek federation. The Africans taught the Indians rice cultivation, and the groups formed an agricultural and military alliance.

In 1816, a U. S. soldier reported that prosperous plantations existed for fifty miles along the banks of the Apalachicola River. The African-Seminole forces repeatedly repelled U. S. slaveholders' posses and the U. S. Army. The Second Seminole War resulted in 1,600 dead and cost over $40 million. The purchase of Florida from Spain was the U. S. government's attempt to eliminate it as a refuge for runaways. Before the Civil War, many Native American nations on the eastern seaboard of the United States became biracial communities.

African-Americans were well represented in the Trail of Tears. By 1860, the Five Civilized Nations in the Indian Territory consisted of 18 percent African Americans. The Seminoles appointed six Black Seminoles members of its governing council. After the Civil War, the Buffalo Soldiers, six regiments of African American U. S. Army troops, helped to end Indian resistance to U. S. control after the Civil War. The most significant African-Native American was John Horse, a Black Seminole Chief who was a master marksman and diplomat in Florida and Oklahoma and by the time of the Civil War, the Black Seminole Chief in Mexico and Texas.

http://www.jstor.org/pss/30142151

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Spanish Slavery versus English Slavery

Their experiences fighting the Muslims in the 1400s shaped the Spanish view of slavery, which they viewed to be accidental and unnatural rather than a hereditary condition.
Following the Moorish Wars, the Spanish and Portuguese imported 100,000 slaves to the Iberian Peninsula. These African slaves assimilated into the Iberian population, and, consequently, the peninsulars (Spanish-born settlers) who colonized Florida typically had at least one African great-great grandparent.

Both the law of the Catholic Church and the Spanish legal code, the 13th century Siete Partidas of King Alfonso X, regarded slaves as humans rather than property. Although Spanish officials assessed slaves on inventories (compiled for wills, lawsuits, and estate settlements) and priced them for sale, they still viewed slaves as moral and legal entities rather than mere commodities (or, as the Dred Scott case would define them, property). The Partidas protected slaves from abusive masters or freeman, and even provided for the removal of slaves from heinous masters. It also allowed slaves to testify in court against their masters.

Because marriage is a holy sacrament of the Catholic Church, it conferred sanctity upon the family unit and prevented the breakup of families. A study of 150 slave sales in West Florida between 1785 and 1800 revealed no instance of a mother being separated from children under the age of 12. However, slave children did cross a legal threshold around age six when assessors assigned them monetary value independent of their mothers.

The cedula (royal proclamation) of 1526 provided that any slave could purchase his or her freedom or coartación. Because church law required that slaves be given holy days off, and there were many such days on the Catholic Church’s calendar, slaves had the opportunity to earn money during this free time. Since the average freedom price was around 400 pesos and daily wage rates were between one-two pesos, it took a long time for slaves to purchase their freedom. Although rare, manumission occurred more frequently under Spanish law than British law.

In contrast British, and subsequently U.S., law viewed slavery as a permanent, hereditary, and eventually race-defined condition. Enforcement of slavery and slave codes largely rested with each slave’s owner. There were no laws comparable to those of the Spanish Crown or Catholic Church that encouraged lenient treatment of slaves or discouraged brutal or arbitrary treatment of slaves. Much like their approach to their colonial economies, the British-American approach to slavery was far more laissez-faire or autonomous than that of Spain. While the colonial government would intervene in cases of crime, accused slaves did not have the same rights as white defendants. For instance, slaves’ testimony was not admissible in court. In the case of slave rebellion, colonial assemblies responded with "Negro Acts," prohibiting slaves from growing food, assembling, earning money, or being educated. Because slavery was race-linked, English colonies passed additional laws punishing interracial marriages (miscegenation) and relegating all persons of mixed blood to second-class status, even if they were free.

Spanish law defined slavery as form of labor in the colonial economy rather than in racial or ethnic terms. Unlike the English, the Spanish used white European slaves and imposed slavery as a sentence for crimes committed by whites. Notwithstanding this distinction, Spanish administrators were not entirely color-blind. They endeavored to separate Native Americans from African slaves; divided militia units based on racial mixture; and tended to punish petty criminals of African background more severely than those of Spanish heritage. While the life of a slave in colonial Florida was not necessarily better than the life of a British slave in Virginia, the institutions of government and church offered them better legal protection and far greater opportunity for freedom.

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^Flooding your false claim, ain't gonna make it go away, MelaninClown(LOL)! I got yo ass in quotes HAHA!

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The Vlachs are normally considered descendants of Romanised peoples such as the Thracians (incl. Dacians) and Illyrians [1].

...

Over the centuries, the Vlachs split into various Vlach groups (see Romania in the Dark Ages) and mixed with neighbouring populations: South Slavs, Greeks, Albanians, Bulgars, and others .

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In other countries, the native Vlach population have been completely assimilated by the Slavic population and therefore ceased to exist...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlachs


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Vlachs are Romannians (ethnic Romanians not gypsies)

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The so-called ethnic Romanians of today are immigrant Slavs and Serbs arrivng in Central Europe between the 5th AD and 9th century AD.

Do you know that the Vlach and the Nigri-Latinis were one people, the original indigenes of Central Europe, speaking the original Roma language?

Do you know about the Nigri-Latinis?

Do you recall Mont-Negro?


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quote:
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^Flooding your false claim, ain't gonna make it go away, MelaninClown(LOL)! I got yo ass in quotes HAHA!

If only you could read, you could read the instructions on how to open that package of toilet tissue.
For most, that would be incentive enough.

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