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Obviously the Mayans didn't know their ass from their elbow until Egyptians in a row boatand gave them the blueprints from kemet.
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Actually not so new news to me anyways saw a documentary on it some yrs ago when they were just speculating and the Mayans diden't need Negroes form Africa as they had their own Posts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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^Brada, cut it out. We went over this already. The Mayan priests painted themselves black in color during the religious rites. Cut it out son! It seems the Japanese radiation is fvcking with your memory, son!
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quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: ^Brada, cut it out. We went over this already. The Mayan priests painted themselves black in color during the religious rites. Cut it out son! It seems the Japanese radiation is fvcking with your memory, son!
Confirming Truth - When you're right, you're right!
quote:Originally posted by Gigantic: ^Come on clown, that right there is a far cry from what Brada posted up. You got brown people up in there. Cut it out, Mike.
The issue is What color were the Maya.
I can't help it if Brada-Anansi posts crappy pictures.
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Ekchuah Also spelled Ek Chuah, the "black war chief" was the patron god of warriors and merchants, depicted carrying a bag over his shoulder. In art, he was a dark-skinned man with circles around his eyes, a scorpion tail and dangling lower lip. In early modern studies of Maya art and iconography, he was sometimes referred to as God M before his identity was firmly established. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Maya_gods_and_supernatural_beings Ek Chuah is the sixth most commonly depicted deity in the codices, and is portrayed 40 times. He has a thick, pendulous lower lip and is generally painted in black, in the Tro-Cortesian codex, or partially black, in the Dresden codex. In the former, his mouth is always surrounded by a dull red circle which makes his thick lips stand out. The hieroglyph of his name is an eye with a black ring. He was beneficial god for traveling merchants. As a beneficent god, he appears carrying a bundle of goods on his back, like a traveling merchant, and in some places he is shown with the head of Xamán Ek, god of the North Star, who, as we will see, is said to have been "The Merchants' Guide"
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Brada, cut it out son. It is black painting. Do you see his real flesh tone? I took the liberty of blowing up your picture so you can see that, since it is obvious the radiation really fvcked you over.
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: Brada, cut it out son. It is black painting. Do you see his real flesh tone? I took the liberty of blowing up your picture so you can see that, since it is obvious the radiation really fvcked you over.
Brown skinned Negroid peoples as far as I can tell. Significant prognathism, etc.
They are still Negroid people in that part of the world today.
Not socially Black but far more Negroid in appearance than Amazigh Black people.
Just darken her up a bit and she would fit in quite well with Bantu people except for her straight hair.
Not a Black person but definitely tropical features which we call Negroid.
There's plenty of Black people that are Caucasoid as well. Of course you have to drop the concept of color and hair texture from these terms and just go by facial features.
Compare to a socially Black person of Amazigh heritage.
Basically just a description of how people look rather than of relatedness, etc.
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: ^ quite Negroid yes.
Prognathism, flat nose, receding chin.
Not a Black person but definitely tropical features which we call Negroid.
There's plenty of Black people that are Caucasoid as well. Of course you have to drop the concept of color and hair texture from these terms and just go by facial features.
Compare to a socially Black person of Amazigh heritage.
Basically just a description of how people look rather than of relatedness, etc.
^^^^she's cute,
so what's the difference between a Black person and a Negroid and who are the Black Caucasoids?
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Dunce He is being greeted by a king/chief or priest who paints himself black in his honer blowup the one with the beard.
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: ^ quite Negroid yes.
Prognathism, flat nose, receding chin.
Not a Black person but definitely tropical features which we call Negroid.
There's plenty of Black people that are Caucasoid as well. Of course you have to drop the concept of color and hair texture from these terms and just go by facial features.
Compare to a socially Black person of Amazigh heritage.
Basically just a description of how people look rather than of relatedness, etc.
^^^^she's cute,
so what's the difference between a Black person and a Negroid and who are the Black Caucasoids?
Black is a political group of people in the US. Has little to do with facial features such as nasal index, cheeks, etc. More to do with skin color, hair texture, and African origin.
For example, Qadafi can claim to be a Black person in America except we know his origins are North African. If he simple was of American heritage (slave) then he would easily be accepted as Black regardless of his hair and skin color.
Negroid is simply a poor way of labeling highly humid tropical features. Broad flat nose, prognathism, receding chin, fleshy lips. Unfortunately people try to attach dark skin and frizzy hair to the description which only makes the term useless. It should be limited to just facial features.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Dunce He is being greeted by a king/chief or priest who paints himself black in his honer blowup the one with the beard.
He has White feet.
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: ^ quite Negroid yes.
Prognathism, flat nose, receding chin.
Not a Black person but definitely tropical features which we call Negroid.
There's plenty of Black people that are Caucasoid as well. Of course you have to drop the concept of color and hair texture from these terms and just go by facial features.
Compare to a socially Black person of Amazigh heritage.
Basically just a description of how people look rather than of relatedness, etc.
^^^^she's cute,
so what's the difference between a Black person and a Negroid and who are the Black Caucasoids?
Black Caucasoids are simply Black people that have facial features that we normally think of as Caucasian. Common in the Sahel and East Africa but can be found pretty much throughout all of Africa. Not uncommon amongst African Americans for various reasons.
You know all of this intuitively I think.
As far as relatedness of any groups, it is all based on relative distance. For AE it was simply the Nile the united people together genetically.
Thats why Nubians are the closest to Egyptians of any people (now and in the past). This simple fact should end the debate but it still goes on.
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^ true the beard and the jaguar skin is very intriguing. But still doesn't mean cultural diffusion just perhaps contact.
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Never said they did Osirion,how ever I do believe that a better case for contact could be made in the medieval era if Ek chua was confused with Malian merchants as to be painted black with thick red lips then maybe,,, as we have two separate written documents to back that up which are.
Omari, in the tenth chapter of his Masalik al-absad, reproduces a story which suggests that Atlantic voyages were made by mariners of West Africa in the times of Emperor Kankan Musa of Mali; and which roundly states that the predecessors of Kankan Musa embarked on the Atlantic with “two thousand ships” and sailed westward and disappeared . . . yet Mali had outlets of the Atlantic seaboard, while North African mariners evidently knew of the Azores several centuries before the voyages of Columbus
Columbus
according to Columbus's own writings,
Some of these Africans must have made it to the Americas, because there were sightings that indicated their presence in the New World. Columbus himself reported that the American Indians of Hispaniola had told him that "there had come to Hispaniola people who have the tops of their spears made of a metal which they call quanin, of which he had sent samples to the Sovereigns to have them assayed, when it was found that of 32 parts, 18 were gold, six of silver and eight of copper." These samples were sent back to Spain on a mail boat, and the proportion was found to be identical to what was being forged in African Guinea. on his third voyage he journeyed A personal friend of Columbus, named Las Casa, who traveled with him later left the following message:
"Certain principal inhabitants of the island of Santiago came to see them and they say that to the southwest of the Island of Huego [Fogo, or Fuego] which is one of the Cape Verdes distance 12 leagues from this, may be seen an island, and that the King Don Juan [Dom Joao II of Portugal] was greatly inclined to send to make discoveries to the southwest, and that canoes had been found which start from the coast of Guinea and navigate to the west with merchandise
There were other sightings in the Americas that were reported. One sighting was by Peter Martyr who reported that Vasco Nunez de Balboa in September 1513 saw two black men in Panama. Native Americans reported to him that they were at war with a large settlement of these black men. It was believed these black men were ship wrecked. Another sighting was by Lopez de Gomara who described the people as identical to Africans seen in Guinea. The next sighting by Labbe' Brasseur de Bourbourg reported two indigenous peoples in Panama, the Mandinga (black skin) and the Tule (red skin). Also Fray Gregoria Garcia reports on blacks sighted in Cartagena, Columbia. Michael Coe even reported that Alonzo Ponce spoke of a boatload of "Moors" who landed off Campeche and terrorized the natives. http://faculty.mdc.edu/jmcnair/Joe26pages/Who%20Came%20Before%20Columbus.htm
for a translation of the Columbus original journal go here NARRATIVE OF THE THIRD VOYAGE OF COLUMBUS AS CONTAINED IN LAS CASAS’S HISTORY May 30-August 31, 1498 http://www.gutenberg.org/files/18571/18571-h/18571-h.htm#voyage It also deals with original translations of pre Columbian Europeans contacts such as the Vikings and follow up contacts at the time of Columbus with John Cabot.
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: Black Caucasoids are simply Black people that have facial features that we normally think of as Caucasian. Common in the Sahel and East Africa
You conclude that these facial features you deem as Caucasian are common in those regions based on what?
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: Black Caucasoids are simply Black people that have facial features that we normally think of as Caucasian. Common in the Sahel and East Africa
You conclude that these facial features you deem as Caucasian are common in those regions based on what?
Empirical evidence - I have been to these places as the son of a missionary. I have seen most of Africa.
I believe many people would refer to these people as Hamitic but that is quite false. In terms of Hebrew definition of race, these people would be considered Amazigh. Hamitic people are all the African people plus Southern Indians, Polynesian, Melanesians, Australians, and some South East Asians. According to Hebrew legends, the Amazigh are a mixture of a Hamitic lineage with a Semitic one since the time of the Tower of Bable. There are many different Hamites with Canaanites representing the more Bantu like which is supported by Natufian finds which clearly indicate a Bantu phenotype present in SW Asia but more specifically at the site of Jericho itself.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Never said they did Osirion,how ever I do believe that a better case for contact could be made in the medieval era if Ek chua was confused with Malian merchants as to be painted black with thick red lips then maybe,,, as we have two separate written documents to back that up which are.
Omari, in the tenth chapter of his Masalik al-absad, reproduces a story which suggests that Atlantic voyages were made by mariners of West Africa in the times of Emperor Kankan Musa of Mali; and which roundly states that the predecessors of Kankan Musa embarked on the Atlantic with “two thousand ships” and sailed westward and disappeared . . . yet Mali had outlets of the Atlantic seaboard, while North African mariners evidently knew of the Azores several centuries before the voyages of Columbus
Columbus
according to Columbus's own writings,
Some of these Africans must have made it to the Americas, because there were sightings that indicated their presence in the New World. Columbus himself reported that the American Indians of Hispaniola had told him that "there had come to Hispaniola people who have the tops of their spears made of a metal which they call quanin, of which he had sent samples to the Sovereigns to have them assayed, when it was found that of 32 parts, 18 were gold, six of silver and eight of copper." These samples were sent back to Spain on a mail boat, and the proportion was found to be identical to what was being forged in African Guinea. on his third voyage he journeyed A personal friend of Columbus, named Las Casa, who traveled with him later left the following message:
"Certain principal inhabitants of the island of Santiago came to see them and they say that to the southwest of the Island of Huego [Fogo, or Fuego] which is one of the Cape Verdes distance 12 leagues from this, may be seen an island, and that the King Don Juan [Dom Joao II of Portugal] was greatly inclined to send to make discoveries to the southwest, and that canoes had been found which start from the coast of Guinea and navigate to the west with merchandise
There were other sightings in the Americas that were reported. One sighting was by Peter Martyr who reported that Vasco Nunez de Balboa in September 1513 saw two black men in Panama. Native Americans reported to him that they were at war with a large settlement of these black men. It was believed these black men were ship wrecked. Another sighting was by Lopez de Gomara who described the people as identical to Africans seen in Guinea. The next sighting by Labbe' Brasseur de Bourbourg reported two indigenous peoples in Panama, the Mandinga (black skin) and the Tule (red skin). Also Fray Gregoria Garcia reports on blacks sighted in Cartagena, Columbia. Michael Coe even reported that Alonzo Ponce spoke of a boatload of "Moors" who landed off Campeche and terrorized the natives. http://faculty.mdc.edu/jmcnair/Joe26pages/Who%20Came%20Before%20Columbus.htm
for a translation of the Columbus original journal go here NARRATIVE OF THE THIRD VOYAGE OF COLUMBUS AS CONTAINED IN LAS CASAS’S HISTORY May 30-August 31, 1498 http://www.gutenberg.org/files/18571/18571-h/18571-h.htm#voyage It also deals with original translations of pre Columbian Europeans contacts such as the Vikings and follow up contacts at the time of Columbus with John Cabot.
I agree with you; I believe there is significant evidence supporting West African contact but just not cultural diffusion. That's where I very much disagree with the Clyde's of the world. Black Africans would have been asimilated or annhiliated similar to the first Europeans that landed.
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: ^ quite Negroid yes.
Prognathism, flat nose, receding chin.
Not a Black person but definitely tropical features which we call Negroid.
There's plenty of Black people that are Caucasoid as well. Of course you have to drop the concept of color and hair texture from these terms and just go by facial features.
Compare to a socially Black person of Amazigh heritage.
Basically just a description of how people look rather than of relatedness, etc.
Met her and her brother. SHe is a musician, heard her live....good stuff.
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^^^^^ LMAO, as if your Corner Store, Rinky Dinky ashen black ass could get someone as beautiful as that, stick to ghetto povety sticken white women, thats all you can get my nigga.
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quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: someone u cannot have
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Who is she??
Malika Zarra, Moroccan singer/composer/producer
born in Southern Morocco, in a little village called Ouled Teima. Her father's family was originally from Tata, a city on the Sahara plain, while her mother was a Berber from the High Atlas. During her early childhood, there was always music and dancing in the house. After her family emigrated to a suburb of Paris, she found herself straddling two very different societies. I had to be French at school yet retain my Moroccan cultural heritage at home, she recalls, Like many immigrant children, I learned to switch quickly between the two. It was hard but brought me a lot of good things too.
In the beginning, she interpreted classic material strictly in the original languages -- then a breakthrough occurred. When I started to sing in Arabic, writing new lyrics for jazz standards, I found that people reacted really strongly. There is always more emotion when you sing in your own language because your feelings are more intense. As a composer, the process was similar ; asked why and when she began writing her own songs, she says impishly, After getting tired of forgetting English lyrics. Having crafted a repertoire that incorporated her native Berber, Gnawa (a percussive form of religious trance music) and Chaabi (Arabic working class blues) heritages, the intellectual elegance of French pop, plus freewheeling jazz rhythms and techniques, her reputation as a solo act began to grow.
I haven't watched yet She has a group called Jihad Muhammad,not sure what that's all about
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Astenb says she is a musician thats ma interest and not fer nuthffin I gotz mad female gitten skillz without even trying alwayz have but I juz chill with one don't need the many.
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I agree with you; I believe there is significant evidence supporting West African contact but just not cultural diffusion. That's where I very much disagree with the Clyde's of the world. Black Africans would have been asimilated or annhiliated similar to the first Europeans that landed.
Your logic is as faulty as your history.
Last time I checked, Mesoamerica was culturally European!
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: Black Caucasoids are simply Black people that have facial features that we normally think of as Caucasian. Common in the Sahel and East Africa
You conclude that these facial features you deem as Caucasian are common in those regions based on what?
Empirical evidence - I have been to these places as the son of a missionary. I have seen most of Africa.
I believe many people would refer to these people as Hamitic but that is quite false. In terms of Hebrew definition of race, these people would be considered Amazigh. Hamitic people are all the African people plus Southern Indians, Polynesian, Melanesians, Australians, and some South East Asians. According to Hebrew legends, the Amazigh are a mixture of a Hamitic lineage with a Semitic one since the time of the Tower of Bable. There are many different Hamites with Canaanites representing the more Bantu like which is supported by Natufian finds which clearly indicate a Bantu phenotype present in SW Asia but more specifically at the site of Jericho itself.
I could also say i've had my share of considerable empirical evidence as well. Which begs the question of what you mean by Caucasian features?
I'm aware of the Negroid attribution given to describe pre-existing Levantine populations and their clear link to Sub Sahara Africa as noted by Brace et al. Wouldn't East Africans be Cushitic as opposed to Amazigh being descendants of Phut according to the Hebrew definition?
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Astenb says she is a musician thats ma interest and not fer nuthffin I gotz mad female gitten skillz without even trying alwayz have but I juz chill with one don't need the many.
how do you like Japanese women?
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: ^ quite Negroid yes.
Prognathism, flat nose, receding chin.
Not a Black person but definitely tropical features which we call Negroid.
There's plenty of Black people that are Caucasoid as well. Of course you have to drop the concept of color and hair texture from these terms and just go by facial features.
Compare to a socially Black person of Amazigh heritage.
Basically just a description of how people look rather than of relatedness, etc.
^^^^she's cute,
Blah..blah..blah..
Hammer (aka Lionese)
You are a fuching lesbian!
Lion!
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LOL!! if only you knew my dude, if only you knew.
quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: ^^^^^ LMAO, as if your Corner Store, Rinky Dinky ashen black ass could get someone as beautiful as that, stick to ghetto povety sticken white women, thats all you can get my nigga.
I agree with you; I believe there is significant evidence supporting West African contact but just not cultural diffusion. That's where I very much disagree with the Clyde's of the world. Black Africans would have been asimilated or annhiliated similar to the first Europeans that landed.
Your logic is as faulty as your history.
Last time I checked, Mesoamerica was culturally European!
Respectfully, and of course I could be wrong, but maybe you should check again...
quote: Located on the Middle American isthmus joining North and South America between ca. 10° and 22° northern latitude...
re; the above quote I've posted... it's culturally European in that region?....
quote: The term Meso-America denotes the part of Mexico and Central America that was civilized in pre-Spanish times. In many respects, the American Indians who inhabited Meso-America were the most advanced native peoples in the Western Hemisphere. The northern border of Meso-America runs west from a point on the Gulf coast of Mexico above the modern port of Tampico, then dips south to exclude much of the central desert of highland Mexico, meeting the Pacific coast opposite the tip of Baja (Lower) California. On the southeast, the boundary extends from northwestern Honduras on the Caribbean across to the ...
quote:Mesoamerica includes the ancient Aztec, Maya, Toltec, and Olmec civilizations of the Central American continent. These advanced civilizations Mesoamerica culture a rich and fascinating study, including the countries of Mexico, Belize, Colombia, Venezuela, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Costa Rica and the Caribbean Islands.
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Tell your rubbish and hate speeches to the Spanish conquistadors and Yankees. You lying thief. And return the Native America their land.
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: Black Caucasoids are simply Black people that have facial features that we normally think of as Caucasian. Common in the Sahel and East Africa
You conclude that these facial features you deem as Caucasian are common in those regions based on what?
Empirical evidence - I have been to these places as the son of a missionary. I have seen most of Africa.
I believe many people would refer to these people as Hamitic but that is quite false. In terms of Hebrew definition of race, these people would be considered Amazigh. Hamitic people are all the African people plus Southern Indians, Polynesian, Melanesians, Australians, and some South East Asians. According to Hebrew legends, the Amazigh are a mixture of a Hamitic lineage with a Semitic one since the time of the Tower of Bable. There are many different Hamites with Canaanites representing the more Bantu like which is supported by Natufian finds which clearly indicate a Bantu phenotype present in SW Asia but more specifically at the site of Jericho itself.
I could also say i've had my share of considerable empirical evidence as well. Which begs the question of what you mean by Caucasian features?
I'm aware of the Negroid attribution given to describe pre-existing Levantine populations and their clear link to Sub Sahara Africa as noted by Brace et al. Wouldn't East Africans be Cushitic as opposed to Amazigh being descendants of Phut according to the Hebrew definition?
Genetics seems to argue differently; but that is the mainstream position - East Africans are Cushitic. But I tend to think that there was significant migration from Southern Egypt into the Horn and thus these people are significantly more Amazigh than Cushitic.
Caucasian features are normally just narrow nasal features, thin lips, high nasal root, non-prognathism. Just a misnomer but it is a socially accepted description. You will find many Masai, Fulani, Igbo, etc, that have such features yet they are considered Black socially in our society.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^I always suspected that you guys were delusional.
Earth to TruthAndRights and osirion:
Mesoamerica 2011
Religion - Roman Catholic
Language - Spanish
I think I get where you a going. I was actually referring to the first Europeans that landed such as the Vikings and Roanoke Island. These settlements were all wiped out and there was no cultural diffusion as a result. I would think West Africans would have faced a similar fate. If not then metallurgy should have been assimilated by the Mesoamericans.
Interestingly the Black person depicted in this picture seems to have a copper head spear? But I found the beard to be the most tell tale sign of West African contact with these Mesoamericans pre-Columbus. Just don't buy that they brought civilization to the Olmecs. No that is not likely besides the Olmecs were an indigenous Negroid people.
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Osirion I will post this again in case you missed it or skimmed over it. Columbus
according to Columbus's own writings,
Some of these Africans must have made it to the Americas, because there were sightings that indicated their presence in the New World. Columbus himself reported that the American Indians of Hispaniola had told him that "there had come to Hispaniola people who have the tops of their spears made of a metal which they call quanin, of which he had sent samples to the Sovereigns to have them assayed, when it was found that of 32 parts, 18 were gold, six of silver and eight of copper." These samples were sent back to Spain on a mail boat, and the proportion was found to be identical to what was being forged in African Guinea
Osirion
quote:Interestingly the Black person depicted in this picture seems to have a copper head spear? But I found the beard to be the most tell tale sign of West African contact with these Mesoamericans pre-Columbus.
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it's culturally European in that region?.... 
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