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It is incredibly easy to scan through ancient literature and myths and claim that indigenous WHITE people appear in all ancient civilizations and geographic places across the globe.
Basically this is all afrocentrics do, though instead of scanning for references to white, they do instead for black.
This thread which show how easy a white form of afrocentrism can be -
Let's start with New Zealand -
Maori myth makes note of an indigenous pre-Maori race called the Patupaiarehe, Turehu or Pake-pakeha meaning “moon-light people”. The Patupaiarehe were also red haired and pale white skinned. The folklorist James Cowan wrote:
“Patupaiarehe were a much lighter complexion than the Maori, their hair was of a dull golden or reddish colour.” (Fairy Folk Tales of the Maori, 1925, p.2-5).
From the Maori book THE LORE OF THE WHARE-WĀNANGA Written down by H. T. Whatahoro from the teachings of Te Matorohanga and Nepia Pohuhu, priests of the Whare-wānanga of the East Coast, New Zealand (Translation by Percy Smith,chapter VI):
''The Turehu—were of a more advanced civilization than the Maori people at the date of the visit, and these people are described as fair in complexion, with flaxen hair''
In Māori mythology, a race of pale spirit beings, the tūrehu, or pakepakehā live in the forests and mountain tops,[1] and are sometimes hostile to humans.
The Turehu, also referred to as Patupaiarehe, Ngati Hotu and the Urukehu (red heads), were resident in New Zealand when the Maori first landed.[2] These pre-Maori people, were sometimes described as fair complexioned, with red[3] or blond hair and blue eyes[citation needed] and pakepakehā is considered one of the possible sources[4] of the Māori word pākehā - used to refer to Europeans.
--- Therefore the white race is indigenous to New Zealand, the dark skinned maori are not native, whites were there before them.
Now on to Micronesia.
The Matang of Gilbert Islands
Micronesians across the Gilbert Islands in the Pacific Ocean, have a tradition of a reddish haired, blue eyed, pale white skinned race who once inhabited the region as natives. These traditions were reported by the British author Sir Arthur Francis Grimble (A Pattern of Islands, 1952):
"The loving kindness of the Baanaban islanders, in common with the whole Gilbertese race, towards Europeans sprang from no feeling of inferiority, but on the contrary, from a most gracious sense of kinship. Their chief ancestral heroes had been, according to tradition, fair-skinned like ourselves. Au of the Rising Sun with his sister-spouse Titua'abine of the Lightning; Tabuariki the Thunderer and his consort TEVENE'I of the Meteor; Ri'iki of the Milky Way, Taburima'i the White King, and the woman Nimananoa, the Navigatress - all of these heroic beings, sprung from the branches and roots of a single ancestral tree, were of the red-complexioned, blue-eyed strain called 'The Company of the Tree, the Breed of Matang', from which the race claimed decent in the male line.''
- Therefore the indigenous micronesians are infact white people.
etc etc
I could scan indigenous myths from across the globe which state that indigenous white people were there first. This is all afrocentrics do, but instead they look for the mention of a dark or black skinned people.
As can be seen above, it can easily be claimed that the indigenous new zealanders and indigenous micronesians were white people, just by looking at a few scant myths. This is all afrocentrism amounts to but with reference to dark people hence Ivan Sertima and other afrocentrics are claiming the black or 'dark dwarves' of Nordic mythology proves an ancient indigenous black pygmy presence in scandinavia. Now the same can be done in sub-saharan african myths but with a white presence -
In Central Africa, Boshongo Africans have an mythology which asserts a divine figure called “Bomazi” was the first native to the Congo River, he was not dark skinned but a “light white skinned man”. In Ghana, Ashanti Africans have a tradition of a native pale skinned divine child who was in their land first, according to the New Larousse Encyclopedia of Mythology a “white child with large ears…came down from heaven and first settled the territory”. Furthermore according to the Zulu Shaman Credo Mutwa, the author of several books on African myths and legends, there was once an indigenous pale skinned “golden haired race of blue eyed men” called the Mzungu who inhabited africa before the dark negros.
Using these myths anyone could easily say that white people are indigenous to sub-sahara africa.
This is all afrocentrics do, but reversing the skin colour.
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quote:Originally posted by Anglophile_Pyramidiot: It is incredibly easy to scan through ancient literature and myths and claim that indigenous WHITE people appear **in all ancient civilizations and geographic places across the globe.**
Really??!
Is this why you believe Egyptians of northeast Africa were not black either even though they were indigenous Africans??
What about the Asiatic Mesopotamians?
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quote:Originally posted by adrianne: any one thats goes on about afrocentrism but says nothing about eurocentrism is a biased fool
In the case of the Anglophile_Pyramidiot he is not only a fool but INSANE if he actually believes the outdated, debunked, garbage he cites!!
Yeah as if whites are indigenous to Polynesia and Micronesia! These whites somehow mysteriously vanished and were replaced by people of color!! LMAO
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Ancient Egyptians were mainly brown Caucasoids. They were genetically closer to Europeans than to pure breed Negroids.
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quote:Originally posted by Perahu: Ancient Egyptians were mainly brown Caucasoids. They were genetically closer to Europeans than to pure breed Negroids.
ROFLMFAO!!!!
Everybody look, it's Perahu the clown, it's ok to laugh!!
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quote:Originally posted by Perahu: Ancient Egyptians were mainly brown Caucasoids. They were genetically closer to Europeans than to pure breed Negroids.
More of a Reddish Mahogany Brown and their facial features varied quite a bit. They were genetically closest to the Nubians more so than any other group of people. In terms of looks, modern day Nubians are today the best representation of what AE people looked like.
I would say their features on a the average were intermediate. Having fleshy lips, dark skin, low nasal root, moderate prognathous.
Sanee is rather a good example of these intermediate features but she is rather light skinned.
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: It is incredibly easy to scan through ancient literature and myths and claim that indigenous WHITE people appear in all ancient civilizations and geographic places across the globe.
Basically this is all afrocentrics do, though instead of scanning for references to white, they do instead for black.
This thread which show how easy a white form of afrocentrism can be -
Let's start with New Zealand -
Maori myth makes note of an indigenous pre-Maori race called the Patupaiarehe, Turehu or Pake-pakeha meaning “moon-light people”. The Patupaiarehe were also red haired and pale white skinned. The folklorist James Cowan wrote:
“Patupaiarehe were a much lighter complexion than the Maori, their hair was of a dull golden or reddish colour.” (Fairy Folk Tales of the Maori, 1925, p.2-5).
From the Maori book THE LORE OF THE WHARE-WĀNANGA Written down by H. T. Whatahoro from the teachings of Te Matorohanga and Nepia Pohuhu, priests of the Whare-wānanga of the East Coast, New Zealand (Translation by Percy Smith,chapter VI):
''The Turehu—were of a more advanced civilization than the Maori people at the date of the visit, and these people are described as fair in complexion, with flaxen hair''
In Māori mythology, a race of pale spirit beings, the tūrehu, or pakepakehā live in the forests and mountain tops,[1] and are sometimes hostile to humans.
The Turehu, also referred to as Patupaiarehe, Ngati Hotu and the Urukehu (red heads), were resident in New Zealand when the Maori first landed.[2] These pre-Maori people, were sometimes described as fair complexioned, with red[3] or blond hair and blue eyes[citation needed] and pakepakehā is considered one of the possible sources[4] of the Māori word pākehā - used to refer to Europeans.
--- Therefore the white race is indigenous to New Zealand, the dark skinned maori are not native, whites were there before them.
Now on to Micronesia.
The Matang of Gilbert Islands
Micronesians across the Gilbert Islands in the Pacific Ocean, have a tradition of a reddish haired, blue eyed, pale white skinned race who once inhabited the region as natives. These traditions were reported by the British author Sir Arthur Francis Grimble (A Pattern of Islands, 1952):
"The loving kindness of the Baanaban islanders, in common with the whole Gilbertese race, towards Europeans sprang from no feeling of inferiority, but on the contrary, from a most gracious sense of kinship. Their chief ancestral heroes had been, according to tradition, fair-skinned like ourselves. Au of the Rising Sun with his sister-spouse Titua'abine of the Lightning; Tabuariki the Thunderer and his consort TEVENE'I of the Meteor; Ri'iki of the Milky Way, Taburima'i the White King, and the woman Nimananoa, the Navigatress - all of these heroic beings, sprung from the branches and roots of a single ancestral tree, were of the red-complexioned, blue-eyed strain called 'The Company of the Tree, the Breed of Matang', from which the race claimed decent in the male line.''
- Therefore the indigenous micronesians are infact white people.
etc etc
I could scan indigenous myths from across the globe which state that indigenous white people were there first. This is all afrocentrics do, but instead they look for the mention of a dark or black skinned people.
As can be seen above, it can easily be claimed that the indigenous new zealanders and indigenous micronesians were white people, just by looking at a few scant myths. This is all afrocentrism amounts to but with reference to dark people hence Ivan Sertima and other afrocentrics are claiming the black or 'dark dwarves' of Nordic mythology proves an ancient indigenous black pygmy presence in scandinavia. Now the same can be done in sub-saharan african myths but with a white presence -
In Central Africa, Boshongo Africans have an mythology which asserts a divine figure called “Bomazi” was the first native to the Congo River, he was not dark skinned but a “light white skinned man”. In Ghana, Ashanti Africans have a tradition of a native pale skinned divine child who was in their land first, according to the New Larousse Encyclopedia of Mythology a “white child with large ears…came down from heaven and first settled the territory”. Furthermore according to the Zulu Shaman Credo Mutwa, the author of several books on African myths and legends, there was once an indigenous pale skinned “golden haired race of blue eyed men” called the Mzungu who inhabited africa before the dark negros.
Using these myths anyone could easily say that white people are indigenous to sub-sahara africa.
This is all afrocentrics do, but reversing the skin colour.
No not all of us. Some are more radical than others. Afrocentrism is more about the study of African heritage. Egyptians were African regardless of your opinion about their looks. For centuries Europeans and Asiatics claimed Egypt as their own heritage. Now Africans are claiming it back. Now there are some that go too far with that and try to claim that Egyptians were no different than the Bantu. That is not Afrocentrism but rather Afro-Nutism. However, there is evidence supporting a connection between the Bantu and Ancient Egypt but is more likely a Cushitic connection or even a Canaanite one.
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osirion Quote: I would say their features on a the average were intermediate. Having fleshy lips, dark skin, low nasal root, moderate prognathous.
osirion - Please tell me what it is with ass-holes like you and prognathism?
I keep looking around for prognathic Blacks and I can't find any. So please help me out. There are millions of Egyptian statues and busts. Please post a few that are prognathic.
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quote:Originally posted by Perahu: Ancient Egyptians were mainly brown Caucasoids. They were genetically closer to Europeans than to pure breed Negroids.
More of a Reddish Mahogany Brown and their facial features varied quite a bit. They were genetically closest to the Nubians more so than any other group of people. In terms of looks, modern day Nubians are today the best representation of what AE people looked like.
I would say their features on a the average were intermediate. Having fleshy lips, dark skin, low nasal root, moderate prognathous.
Sanee is rather a good example of these intermediate features but she is rather light skinned.
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quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: It is incredibly easy to scan through ancient literature and myths and claim that indigenous WHITE people appear in all ancient civilizations and geographic places across the globe.
Basically this is all afrocentrics do, though instead of scanning for references to white, they do instead for black.
This thread which show how easy a white form of afrocentrism can be -
Let's start with New Zealand -
Maori myth makes note of an indigenous pre-Maori race called the Patupaiarehe, Turehu or Pake-pakeha meaning “moon-light people”. The Patupaiarehe were also red haired and pale white skinned. The folklorist James Cowan wrote:
“Patupaiarehe were a much lighter complexion than the Maori, their hair was of a dull golden or reddish colour.” (Fairy Folk Tales of the Maori, 1925, p.2-5).
From the Maori book THE LORE OF THE WHARE-WĀNANGA Written down by H. T. Whatahoro from the teachings of Te Matorohanga and Nepia Pohuhu, priests of the Whare-wānanga of the East Coast, New Zealand (Translation by Percy Smith,chapter VI):
''The Turehu—were of a more advanced civilization than the Maori people at the date of the visit, and these people are described as fair in complexion, with flaxen hair''
In Māori mythology, a race of pale spirit beings, the tūrehu, or pakepakehā live in the forests and mountain tops,[1] and are sometimes hostile to humans.
The Turehu, also referred to as Patupaiarehe, Ngati Hotu and the Urukehu (red heads), were resident in New Zealand when the Maori first landed.[2] These pre-Maori people, were sometimes described as fair complexioned, with red[3] or blond hair and blue eyes[citation needed] and pakepakehā is considered one of the possible sources[4] of the Māori word pākehā - used to refer to Europeans.
--- Therefore the white race is indigenous to New Zealand, the dark skinned maori are not native, whites were there before them.
Now on to Micronesia.
The Matang of Gilbert Islands
Micronesians across the Gilbert Islands in the Pacific Ocean, have a tradition of a reddish haired, blue eyed, pale white skinned race who once inhabited the region as natives. These traditions were reported by the British author Sir Arthur Francis Grimble (A Pattern of Islands, 1952):
"The loving kindness of the Baanaban islanders, in common with the whole Gilbertese race, towards Europeans sprang from no feeling of inferiority, but on the contrary, from a most gracious sense of kinship. Their chief ancestral heroes had been, according to tradition, fair-skinned like ourselves. Au of the Rising Sun with his sister-spouse Titua'abine of the Lightning; Tabuariki the Thunderer and his consort TEVENE'I of the Meteor; Ri'iki of the Milky Way, Taburima'i the White King, and the woman Nimananoa, the Navigatress - all of these heroic beings, sprung from the branches and roots of a single ancestral tree, were of the red-complexioned, blue-eyed strain called 'The Company of the Tree, the Breed of Matang', from which the race claimed decent in the male line.''
- Therefore the indigenous micronesians are infact white people.
etc etc
I could scan indigenous myths from across the globe which state that indigenous white people were there first. This is all afrocentrics do, but instead they look for the mention of a dark or black skinned people.
As can be seen above, it can easily be claimed that the indigenous new zealanders and indigenous micronesians were white people, just by looking at a few scant myths. This is all afrocentrism amounts to but with reference to dark people hence Ivan Sertima and other afrocentrics are claiming the black or 'dark dwarves' of Nordic mythology proves an ancient indigenous black pygmy presence in scandinavia. Now the same can be done in sub-saharan african myths but with a white presence -
In Central Africa, Boshongo Africans have an mythology which asserts a divine figure called “Bomazi” was the first native to the Congo River, he was not dark skinned but a “light white skinned man”. In Ghana, Ashanti Africans have a tradition of a native pale skinned divine child who was in their land first, according to the New Larousse Encyclopedia of Mythology a “white child with large ears…came down from heaven and first settled the territory”. Furthermore according to the Zulu Shaman Credo Mutwa, the author of several books on African myths and legends, there was once an indigenous pale skinned “golden haired race of blue eyed men” called the Mzungu who inhabited africa before the dark negros.
Using these myths anyone could easily say that white people are indigenous to sub-sahara africa.
This is all afrocentrics do, but reversing the skin colour.
Let us scan your outright racist lies,
The concept of the 'dying Maori', then, was replaced with that of the 'whitening Maori'. While they were expected to retain aspects of their PAGE 20Maoridom into the foreseeable future, 'brown Europeans' would resile from the 'beastly communism' of the tribal collectivity. They were expected to embrace individualism fervently, maximise their profits by selling the land to those with the superior technology to use it efficiently (whites), and behave in such a fashion as not to disrupt 'the natural order of things'. Antipodean life should as far as possible replicate that of the Home Counties of England. Maori were deemed to have a head start over other indigenous peoples. As the Minister of Defence said in 1914, they were 'the chief of the dark races'.15
Thus they would easily learn from 'the Englishman', the ideal imperialist who 'loves order and justice'. Because he had secured 'orderly government at Home', the coloniser 'knows how to establish it in new lands'. The English nation and its auxiliaries had, in short, a 'civilising mission' in the British Empire. While this was clearly based on exploitation of colonial peoples and extraction of their resources, it was rationalised by a mixture of altruism and scientism. Maori were assessed to be 'advanced' enough to be invited to learn to become (ultimately, full) participants in the superior political economy and culture. Such an intellectual paradigm has now largely disappeared, at least in raw form, but vestiges remain that still have an impact on historiography — and, by extension, on national mythology.
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: It is incredibly easy to scan through ancient literature and myths and claim that indigenous WHITE people appear in all ancient civilizations and geographic places across the globe.
Basically this is all afrocentrics do, though instead of scanning for references to white, they do instead for black.
This thread which show how easy a white form of afrocentrism can be -
Let's start with New Zealand -
Maori myth makes note of an indigenous pre-Maori race called the Patupaiarehe, Turehu or Pake-pakeha meaning “moon-light people”. The Patupaiarehe were also red haired and pale white skinned. The folklorist James Cowan wrote:
“Patupaiarehe were a much lighter complexion than the Maori, their hair was of a dull golden or reddish colour.” (Fairy Folk Tales of the Maori, 1925, p.2-5).
From the Maori book THE LORE OF THE WHARE-WĀNANGA Written down by H. T. Whatahoro from the teachings of Te Matorohanga and Nepia Pohuhu, priests of the Whare-wānanga of the East Coast, New Zealand (Translation by Percy Smith,chapter VI):
''The Turehu—were of a more advanced civilization than the Maori people at the date of the visit, and these people are described as fair in complexion, with flaxen hair''
In Māori mythology, a race of pale spirit beings, the tūrehu, or pakepakehā live in the forests and mountain tops,[1] and are sometimes hostile to humans.
The Turehu, also referred to as Patupaiarehe, Ngati Hotu and the Urukehu (red heads), were resident in New Zealand when the Maori first landed.[2] These pre-Maori people, were sometimes described as fair complexioned, with red[3] or blond hair and blue eyes[citation needed] and pakepakehā is considered one of the possible sources[4] of the Māori word pākehā - used to refer to Europeans.
--- Therefore the white race is indigenous to New Zealand, the dark skinned maori are not native, whites were there before them.
Now on to Micronesia.
The Matang of Gilbert Islands
Micronesians across the Gilbert Islands in the Pacific Ocean, have a tradition of a reddish haired, blue eyed, pale white skinned race who once inhabited the region as natives. These traditions were reported by the British author Sir Arthur Francis Grimble (A Pattern of Islands, 1952):
"The loving kindness of the Baanaban islanders, in common with the whole Gilbertese race, towards Europeans sprang from no feeling of inferiority, but on the contrary, from a most gracious sense of kinship. Their chief ancestral heroes had been, according to tradition, fair-skinned like ourselves. Au of the Rising Sun with his sister-spouse Titua'abine of the Lightning; Tabuariki the Thunderer and his consort TEVENE'I of the Meteor; Ri'iki of the Milky Way, Taburima'i the White King, and the woman Nimananoa, the Navigatress - all of these heroic beings, sprung from the branches and roots of a single ancestral tree, were of the red-complexioned, blue-eyed strain called 'The Company of the Tree, the Breed of Matang', from which the race claimed decent in the male line.''
- Therefore the indigenous micronesians are infact white people.
etc etc
I could scan indigenous myths from across the globe which state that indigenous white people were there first. This is all afrocentrics do, but instead they look for the mention of a dark or black skinned people.
As can be seen above, it can easily be claimed that the indigenous new zealanders and indigenous micronesians were white people, just by looking at a few scant myths. This is all afrocentrism amounts to but with reference to dark people hence Ivan Sertima and other afrocentrics are claiming the black or 'dark dwarves' of Nordic mythology proves an ancient indigenous black pygmy presence in scandinavia. Now the same can be done in sub-saharan african myths but with a white presence -
In Central Africa, Boshongo Africans have an mythology which asserts a divine figure called “Bomazi” was the first native to the Congo River, he was not dark skinned but a “light white skinned man”. In Ghana, Ashanti Africans have a tradition of a native pale skinned divine child who was in their land first, according to the New Larousse Encyclopedia of Mythology a “white child with large ears…came down from heaven and first settled the territory”. Furthermore according to the Zulu Shaman Credo Mutwa, the author of several books on African myths and legends, there was once an indigenous pale skinned “golden haired race of blue eyed men” called the Mzungu who inhabited africa before the dark negros.
Using these myths anyone could easily say that white people are indigenous to sub-sahara africa.
This is all afrocentrics do, but reversing the skin colour.
You are the embodiment of the devil, as the liar you are!!!
The dying Māori and Social Darwinism
Māori population, 1840–2009
Darwinism
In 1859 Charles Darwin published his famous Origin of species, and a new era in European racial theory followed. Darwinism, the theory of evolution through the selection of favourable variations by the ‘struggle’ for existence, was not in itself racist. Animals competed peacefully for food with members of their own group. Those with peculiarities suited to particular environments, such as longer necks among proto-giraffes, got more food and therefore had more offspring. Their offspring tended to have long necks too, those with the longest ate more and bred more, and so over many generations the full giraffe species originated. Social Darwinism misinterpreted Darwin’s competition within groups to mean conflict between groups, and saw the struggle between races as the engine of human progress. The Origin of species did not in fact deal with human evolution and Darwin himself did not directly engage with it until 1871, in his Descent of man. The issue was sensitive because the theory of evolution implied that humans were descended from apes. In the racialist context of the times, however, people were quick to deduce Social Darwinism from Darwinism proper.
Scientific learning
In 1863, nine months after reading the Origin of species, the settler-soldier Arthur Atkinson wrote, ‘I find one lies in wait to shoot Maoris without any approach to an angry feeling – it is a sort of scientific duty’.1
Fatal impact
Social Darwinism built on earlier ideas of ‘fatal impact’, whereby inferior races melted away as a result of European contact. In the 1830s, after extensive travels in northern New Zealand, English visitor Edward Markham wrote:
It seems to me that the same causes that depopulated the Indian Tribes are doing the same all over the World. In New Zealand the same as in Canada or North America, And in Southern Africa the Hottentots are a decreasing people and by all accounts the Islands of the South Seas are the same. Rum, Blankets, Muskets, Tobacco and Diseases have been the great destroyers; but my belief is the Almighty intended it should be so or it would not have been allowed, Out of Evil comes Good.2
Most of the many references to the ‘dying Māori’ lamented their passing, and very few suggested deliberate extermination. But, in the heat of warfare in the 1860s, some did. In 1868 a Wellington newspaper wrote: ‘They are determined to fight, and we, in self-protection, must treat them as a species of savage beasts which must be exterminated to render the colonisation of New Zealand possible’.
Up with the play
Some New Zealand intellectuals were close followers of contemporary European science. This is shown in letters from Judge William Martin and his wife Mary-Ann to their friend and noted naturalist, Richard Owen in England. In 1844, the Martins hoped that the Māori, ‘this fine race’, might avoid fatal impact, ‘the common fate of aborigines’. In 1860, they noted the pressure that archaeological discoveries of ‘great antiquity’ placed on the Biblical time-span ‘unless we are content to accept the theory of those who cut the knot by asserting a number of primitive stocks’. By 1862 they were ‘highly amused’ by the Darwinian ‘Gorilla controversy’.4
Uses of racial theory
The usefulness of racial theories for Europeans was always more important than its accuracy. For example, polygenists claimed that different races could not interbreed, or at least that mixed-race people would soon prove infertile, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary. Racial theory buttressed the European self-image as the most advanced of races and put paid to doubts about the morality of their attempt to take over the world.
Even the most able writers could simultaneously accept two contradictory racial theories, or even all three. In 1863 the geologist Ferdinand Von Hochstetter managed to be monogenist, polygenist and Social Darwinist in a single chapter. He dismissed the evidence of Polynesian links with South-East Asia, and declared that the Polynesians had their ‘own sphere of creation’. He then both celebrated Māori ‘progress in civilization’ and predicted their inevitable extinction.
Richly endowed by nature with intellectual and physical powers, of a lively temper, energetic and open minded, and with natural wit, the Maori is fully aware of his progress in moral improvement and culture; yet he is not capable of attaining the full height of a Christian civilized life; and it is from this very incompleteness, that his race is doomed to gradual extinction … Compared with the fresh and full vigour, with which the Anglo-Saxon race is spreading and increasing, the Maori is the weaker party, and thus he is the loser in the endless 'struggle for existence'.5
The belief that Māori were dying out declined from about 1914, when evidence of Māori population increase became undeniable, though many continued to believe that Māori would be fully assimilated into the majority culture, surviving only as a ‘golden tinge’ on the skins of the Pākehā.
quote:Originally posted by Perahu: Ancient Egyptians were mainly brown Caucasoids. They were genetically closer to Europeans than to pure breed Negroids.
Lol, hilarious.
I take it, you're a clown anyway.
You dumb xenophobic fascist.
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quote:Originally posted by Pair'o'balls_butnobrains: Ancient Egyptians were mainly brown Caucasoids. They were genetically closer to Europeans than to pure breed Negroids.
Yes and according to you the Bantu Tutsi and Hima and the Nilo-Saharan Hema are "mixed". Keep telling yourself these things if it makes you feel better. After all, to you it's not about EVIDENCE, FACTS, or overall REALITY, but about what makes you feel good.
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quote:Originally posted by Perahu: Ancient Egyptians were mainly brown Caucasoids. They were genetically closer to Europeans than to pure breed Negroids.
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"Comparisons of allele frequencies showed **high divergence values between North Africans and Europeans (δ > 30%) in markers: rs4540055 (allele A) and rs16891982.** Our study adds data that can be used as training set genotypes for future ancestry investigations in forensic cases and suggests these AIM-SNPs can **successfully differentiate** North Africans and Mediterranean Europeans."--K. Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2011
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^^ Pairo'eyesbutnobrains : No, no, no! That's wrong! That study was written by a biased Afrocentrist!
Behold my brown caucasoid brethren!
You see? Definitely far more related to us Europeans than African negroes!Posts: 26238 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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"Comparisons of allele frequencies showed **high divergence values between North Africans and Europeans (δ > 30%) in markers: rs4540055 (allele A) and rs16891982.** Our study adds data that can be used as training set genotypes for future ancestry investigations in forensic cases and suggests these AIM-SNPs can **successfully differentiate** North Africans and Mediterranean Europeans."--K. Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2011
Major fail.
Only two SNPs? Whoopty Fuckin' Doo! That is utterly meaningless, try whole genome data.
North Africans are genetically far closer to Europeans than to authentic Negroids.
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Lol, even northwest Africans are closer to sub-Saharans.
Northwest Africans are the ones with significant Eurasian mtDNA, yet northwest Africans and northeast Africans are genetically separated by a genetic discontinuity.
We have no evidence of a European presence amongst the ancient Egyptians. On the other hand, we have tons of genetic evidence that sub-Saharan Africa was a major population source for the Nile Valley.
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Multi-dimensional scaling (MDS) based on pair-wise FST genetic distances of Upper Egyptian and other diverse global populations. OCE, Oceanian; ME, Middle Eastern; NAF, North African; EAS, East Asian; SSA, sub-Saharan African; UEGY, Upper Egyptian; SAS, South Asian; EUR, European. The figure shows that Oceania and American populations are very distant from Upper Egyptians (marked by a grey triangle) and other populations. The Upper Egyptian population is closer to the Middle Eastern, North African, South Asian and European populations than others.
Upper Egyptians cluster with Caucasoids and are genetically far more Caucasoid than anything else.
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^ they are closer to Nubians than any other group. And Sub-Saharans in these comparisons do not include Horn Africans, Fulani, Taureg, and many other groups of people that would not support the author's position.
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^The above results are expected given the steady rate of migration to Egypt from the Middle east and Europe over the past 2-3,000 years.
quote:Of course there is documented historical migration into Africa, and it is postulated that a small amount of gene flow [1%] per generation into a regional population can radically alter gene frequencies in a few thousand years (Cavalli-Sforza e t al. 1994)
--S.O.Y. Keita
^Yet even with proportionately higher migration from Eurasia over the past few millennia, Egyptians still shift much more towards the African populations than do Eurasian groups while they also still carry predominately African Y-chromosomes which undoubtedly reflects their starting orientation as an aboriginal Northeast African population genetically akin to the south (from whence they ultimately migrated).
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The same article says that they were closer to Middle Easterners than North Africans when they ARE north Africans LOL! BTW Perahu the retard, look at what your own citation source goes on to say:
"Possible explanations for HWE departure are population substructure and admixture, since there is persistent consanguinity (27.7% in WHO report, 1994) [7] E. Abd AlSalam, A report presented to the Regional Consultation on Community Genetic Services, Hereditary disorders, World Health Organization Regional Office for the Eastern Mediterranean, Alexandria, 1994.[7] in addition to historical admixture with other ethnic groups who ruled Egypt in its past, e.g. Ottomans, Arabs (who constituted **major migration waves**) and Greeks."
This is after all, the modern population we're talking about. Crania from Upper Egypt is closer to the Horn, Sudan, etc., not Europeans or Middle Easterners
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Keita 1992 also dismisses notions of a "Mediterranean race":
“Mediterranean,” connoting a “race,” “one interbreeding population,” at the craniometric level, is questionable as defining the “Middle East” during the Bronze Age (Finkel, 1974,1978), invalid as a term linking geography to a uniform external phenotype (see Snowden, 1970; MacGaffey, 1966; Keita, 1990), inaccurate as a metric taxon for many groups previously assigned to it (Rightmire, 1975a,b), and problematic as a bony craniofacial morphotype denoting a “race” or mendelian population because of its varied soft-part trait associations and wide geographical distribution (see “Hamitic” in Coon et al., 1950; Gabel, 1966; MacGaffey, 1966; Hiernaux, 1975; Rightmire, 1975a).
“Hamitic”, a label once used for some African groups (Fulani, Galla, Beja, southern ancient Egyptian), is seen by some as equivalent to “Mediterranean White” (e.g., Vercoutter, 1978), but Hiernaux (1975) points out that it is incorrect to view fossil and living groups once so designated as being “closely related to Caucasoids of Europe and western Asia.” The term “Hamitic” has been dropped by linguists and historians as well as by anthropologists because of its contradictions, its inadequacies, and the theory of race and race history to which it was attached (McGaffey, 1966; Sanders, 1969; Hiernaux, 1975).
Likewise “Brown Race” is sometimes used as a synonym for Mediterranean White, though this interpretation is historically somewhat inaccurate (MacGaffey, 1966). Sergi (1901), perhaps the father of the original Mediterranean Race concept (Angel, 1983, personal communication), saw this taxon as being “autonomous” in origin, not of the Black or White “races.” Physical anthropologists express divergent views on the characteristic bony craniofacial morphology which is to define the “Mediterranean type” (personal correspondence from the late J.L. Angel, M-C. Chamla, and A. Wiercinski)."
-- Keita S. 1992. Further Studies of ancient crania from North Africa. AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY 87:245-254 (1992)
SUMMARY- the tropical/arid tropic civilization of Egypt 1) Southern Egypt, from which the genesis of Ancient Egypt civilization sprang, lies in the tropical zone, from the Tropics of Cancer to Capricorn. The rest of Egypt is very similar, and lies in the immediately adjacent subtropical or arid tropic zone, NOT the cold-climate zones of Europe or Asia. The Tropic of Cancer passes through Egypt at 23°26′N 25°0′E.
(Thompson and Perry, 1997; Griffiths, 1976)
2) The peoples of ancient Egypt, in the aforementioned tropical and semi-tropical/arid tropic zones, show clear limb proportion characteristics of tropically adapted people, and MORE closely resemble other tropically adapted Africans on the continent, than Europeans or Middle Easterners. (Raxter and Ruff 2008, Zakrewski 2003, 2007; Holliday et al, 2003, Kemp, 2005) 3) Undermining claims of cold-climate or skin color primacy for civilization, the great ancient Nile Valley civilization arose from the 'darker' more tropical south, NOT the cold climate or cool climate Mediterranean, Europe or Asia. (Clark, 1982; Shaw 1976, 2003; Bard, 2004; Vogel, 1997; Kemp 2005)
4) The ancient Egyptians in their tropical and sub-tropical/arid tropic environment, did not need cold climate people to develop their distinct culture. Several strands of culture from religion to material living put the Egyptians closer to nearby Africans than to cold-climate Mediterraneans, Europeans or Asiatics. (Keita, 1996, 2004; Yurco 1989, 1996; Williams, 1980; Britannia 1984; Wilkinson 1999; Wendorf, 2001) 5) European/Asiatic cold climate or light skin inspiration was unneeded by the tropically adapted Africans of ancient Egypt. They peopled the Nile Valley from the Sahara and the Sudan, and ancient Egypt is part of a tropical African lineage. Indigenous development sprang from a long tradition going back deep into the Sahara and the Sudan. (Lovell, 1999; Lefkowitz, 1993, 1996; Keita 1993, Irish 2006)
6) European/Asiatic cold climate or light skin inspiration was unneeded by the tropically adapted Africans of ancient Egypt. DNA studies show the Egyptians link with other Africans via Haplogroup "E" to a much greater extent than cold climate Mediterraneans, Europeans or Middle easterners. (Keita 2004, 2008; Richards 2003; Battaglia, 2008; Cruciani 2007; Lucotte 2003; Stevanovitch et al 2004) 7) African people have a range of physical variation and don't need any inspiration or mixes from cold-climate/light skinned Europeans or Asiatics to explain why. Features like narrow noses, thin lips, height etc are all indigenous to Africa. Africa has both the highest phenotypic diversity and the highest genetic diversity in the world and don’t need cold-climate/light skin inspiration for that established fact. All cold-climate/light skinned Europeans and Asiatics are SUBSETS of original African diversity. Modern DNA studies find even though some African peoples look different, they are genetically related through the PN2 transition clade of the Y-chromosome. Thus light-skinned African Libyans and dark-skinned Zulus are all genetically related Africans, even though they don't look exactly the same. (Keita 2004; Tishkoff 2002, Ely et al, 2006, Stevanovitch 2004)
8) African peoples are the most diverse in the world whether analyzed by DNA or skeletal or cranial methods. The peoples of the Nile Valley vary but they are still related. The people most related ethnically to the ancient Egyptians are other Africans like Nubians not cold-climate/light skinned Europeans or Asiatics. (Keita 1996; Rethelford, 2001; Bianchi 2004, Yurco 1989; Godde 2009)
9) Not needing cold-climate/slight-skinned inspiration, the peoples of ancient Egypt are more closely linked with fellow tropical Africans in terms of cranial studies than with Europeans or Asiatics. Analysis of skeletal and cranial remains reveals that the ancient Egyptians of the early Dynastic and pre-Dynastic phases, link closer to nearby Saharan, Sudanic and East African populations than Mediterranean and Middle Eastern peoples. Greeks, Romans, Hyskos, Arabs and others were to appear later in Egyptian history. Craniometric studies generally place ancient Upper Egyptian populations closer to the range of tropical Africans in the Nile Valley and East Africa than to Mediterraneans, or Middle Easterners. (Keita 1990, 1993, 1996, 2004; Hiernaux 1975; Froment 2002; Kemp 2005)
10) Comparatively recent (in evolutionary terms) Europeans and Asiatics LOOKED LIKE tropical Africans with dark skin and other features, before cold-climate adaptation changed them. Light skin color is a RECENT development for Europeans and Asiatics. The foundations of civilization in terms of key animal and plant domesticates, and associated technology in Europe and Asia were thus laid by these dark-skinned migrants from Africa, who resembled today's Africans, undermining claims of the efficacy of white skin in laying the basic foundations or in building advanced civilizations such as that built by the tropically adapted peoples of the Nile Valley.
quote:Originally posted by Perahu: Ancient Egyptians were mainly brown Caucasoids. They were genetically closer to Europeans than to pure breed Negroids.
oh,what the heck.this should help clear things up too.
"An examination of the distance hierarchies reveals the Badarian series to be more similar to the Teita in both analyses and always more similar to all of the African series than to the Norse and Berg groups (see Tables 3A & 3B and Figure 2). Essentially equal similarity is found with the Zalavar and Dogon series in the 11-variable analysis and with these and the Bushman in the one using 15 variables. The Badarian series clusters with the tropical African groups no matter which algorithm is employed (see Figures 3 and 4).. In none of them did the Badarian sample affiliate with the European series."(S.O.Y. Keita. Early Nile Valley Farmers from El-Badari: Aboriginals or "European" Agro-Nostratic Immigrants? Craniometric Affinities Considered With Other Data. Journal of Black Studies, Vol. 36 No. 2, pp. 191-208 (2005)
"Some have argued that various early Egyptians like the Badarians probably migrated northward from Nubia, while others see a wide-ranging movement of peoples across the breadth of the Sahara before the onset of desiccation. Whatever may be the origins of any particular people or civilization, however, it seems reasonably certain that the predynastic communities of the Nile valley were essentially indigenous in culture, drawing little inspiration from sources outside the continent during the several centuries directly preceding the onset of historical times..." (Robert July, Pre-Colonial Africa, 1975, p. 60-61)
"overall population continuity over the Predynastic and early Dynastic, and high levels of genetic heterogeneity, thereby suggesting that state formation occurred as a mainly indigenous process." (Zakrzewski, S.R. (2007). "Population continuity or population change: Formation of the ancient Egyptian state". American Journal of Physical Anthropology 132 (4): 501-509)
German Institute for Archaeology -excavation of the tombs of the nobles in Thebes-West, Upper Egypt. In several of the noble specimens: "The basal epithelial cells were packed with melanin as expected for specimens of Negroid origin." (Determination of optimal rehydration, fixation and staining methods for histological and immunohistochemical analysis of mummified soft tissues", Biotechnic & Histochemistry 2005, 80(1): 7_/13)
"Ancient Egypt belongs to a language group known as 'Afro-Asiatic' (formerly called Hamito-Semitic) and its closest relatives are other north-east African languages from Somalia to Chad. Egypt's cultural features, both material and ideological and particularly in the earliest phases, show clear connections with that same broad area. In sum, ancient Egypt was an African culture, developed by African peoples, who had wide ranging contacts in north Africa and western Asia." (Morkot, Robert (2005) The Egyptians: An Introduction. Routledge. p. 10)
"There is no archaeological, linguistic, or historical data which indicate a European or Asiatic invasion of, or migration to, the Nile Valley during First Dynasty times. Previous concepts about the origin of the First Dynasty Egyptians as being somehow external to the Nile Valley or less native are not supported by archaeology... In summary, the Abydos First Dynasty royal tomb contents reveal a notable craniometric heterogeneity. Southerners predominate. (Kieta, S. (1992) Further Studies of Crania From Ancient Northern Africa: An Analysis of Crania From First Dynasty Egyptian Tombs, Using Multiple Discriminant Functions. AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY 87:245-254)"
"The peoples of Egypt, the Sudan, and much of East African Ethiopia and Somalia are now generally regarded as a Nilotic continuity, with widely ranging physical features (complexions light to dark, various hair and craniofacial types) but with powerful common cultural traits, including cattle pastoralist traditions." (Frank Yurco, "An Egyptological Review," 1996 -in Mary R. Lefkowitz and Guy MacLean Rogers, Black Athena Revisited, 1996, The University of North Carolina Press, p. 62-100)
"..sample populations available from northern Egypt from before the 1st Dynasty (Merimda, Maadi and Wadi Digla) turn out to be significantly different from sample populations from early Palestine and Byblos, suggesting a lack of common ancestors over a long time. If there was a south-north cline variation along the Nile valley it did not, from this limited evidence, continue smoothly on into southern Palestine. The limb-length proportions of males from the Egyptian sites group them with Africans rather than with Europeans." (Barry Kemp, "Ancient Egypt Anatomy of a Civilisation. (2005) Routledge. p. 52-60)
"When the unlikely relationships [Indian matches] and eliminated, the Egyptian series are more similar overall to other African series than to European or Near Eastern (Byzantine or Palestinian) series." (Keita 1993)
HERE IS THE WORK OF THE ANTHROPOLOGIST SO STRONGLY RECOMMENDED BY LEFKOWITZ, NANCY LOVELL:
Encyclopedia of the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt and Ancient Egypt: Anatomy of a Civilization
"There is now a sufficient body of evidence from modern studies of skeletal remains to indicate that the ancient Egyptians, especially southern Egyptians, exhibited physical characteristics that are within the range of variation for ancient and modern indigenous peoples of the Sahara and tropical Africa.. In general, the inhabitants of Upper Egypt and Nubia had the greatest biological affinity to people of the Sahara and more southerly areas." (Nancy C. Lovell, " Egyptians, physical anthropology of," in Encyclopedia of the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt, ed. Kathryn A. Bard and Steven Blake Shubert, ( London and New York: Routledge, 1999) pp 328-332)
and
"must be placed in the context of hypotheses informed by archaeological, linguistic, geographic and other data. In such contexts, the physical anthropological evidence indicates that early Nile Valley populations can be identified as part of an African lineage, but exhibiting local variation. This variation represents the short and long term effects of evolutionary forces, such as gene flow, genetic drift, and natural selection, influenced by culture and geography." ("Nancy C. Lovell, " Egyptians, physical anthropology of," in Encyclopedia of the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt, ed. Kathryn A. Bard and Steven Blake Shubert, ( London and New York: Routledge, 1999). pp 328-332)
Limb proportion studies Quotes: "The raw values in Table 6 suggest that Egyptians had the “super-Negroid” body plan described by Robins (1983).. This pattern is supported by Figure 7 (a plot of population mean femoral and tibial lengths; data from Ruff, 1994), which indicates that the Egyptians generally have tropical body plans. Of the Egyptian samples, only the Badarian and Early Dynastic period populations have shorter tibiae than predicted from femoral length. Despite these differences, all samples lie relatively clustered together as compared to the other populations." (Zakrzewski, S.R. (2003). "Variation in ancient Egyptian stature and body proportions". AJPA 121 (3): 219-229.
and S. O. Y. Keita, "Studies and Comments on Ancient Egyptian Biological Relationships," History in Africa 20 (1993) 129-54
"Overall, when the Egyptian crania are evaluated in a Near Eastern (Lachish) versus African (Kerma, Kebel Moya, Ashanti) context) the affinity is with the Africans. The Sudan and Palestine are the most appropriate comparative regions which would have 'donated' people, along with the Sahara and Maghreb. Archaeology validates looking to these regions for population flow (see Hassan 1988)... Egyptian groups showed less overall affinity to Palestinian and Byzantine remains than to other African series, especially Sudanese." (Keita 1993)
"When the unlikely relationships [Indian matches] and eliminated, the Egyptian series are more similar overall to other African series than to European or Near Eastern (Byzantine or Palestinian) series." (Keita 1993)
"Populations and cultures now found south of the desert roamed far to the north. The culture of Upper Egypt, which became dynastic Egyptian civilization, could fairly be called a Sudanese transplant."(Egypt and Sub-Saharan Africa: Their Interaction. Encyclopedia of Precolonial Africa, by Joseph O. Vogel, AltaMira Press, Walnut Creek, California (1997), pp. 465-472 )
Peoples of the Sahara were an important part of the foundations of ancient Egypt and pioneered in several features that were to appear in Egypt, including religion, cattle cults, stone construction and astronomy etc. Some mainstream scientists consider the Saharans more organized on some counts than the early Egyptians. Also the Saharan culture shares clear links with other African peoples. Of note again is the southern direction of this cultural pioneering and growth, not the north, the Middle East, or the Mediterranean.
UNESCO - General History of Africa: Volume II This lengthy period includes the civilization of Ancient Egypt, the history of Nubia, Ethiopia, North Africa and the Sahara, as well as of the other regions ...
quote:Originally posted by osirion: ^ they are closer to Nubians than any other group. And Sub-Saharans in these comparisons do not include Horn Africans, Fulani, Taureg, and many other groups of people that would not support the author's position.
That is because those Africans you just mentioned are heavily Caucasoid admixed as well.
Ancient Egyptians are very distant from pure Negroids on the molecular level.
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quote:Originally posted by Calabooz': Also take note of the sub-Saharan samples used:
Central African Republic (Biaka) Congo (Mbuti) Senegal (Mandenka) Nigeria (Yoruba) Namibia (San) South Africa (Bantu) Kenya (Bantu)
Authentic Negroid types who make up over 90% of Sub-Saharan Africa's population.
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quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: ^The above results are expected given the steady rate of migration to Egypt from the Middle east and Europe over the past 2-3,000 years.
Oh noes! the good ol' sand-crackers have been there excuse.
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quote:Oh noes! the good ol' sand-crackers have been there excuse.
Clown. Even the author of the article says the exact same thing. You obviously haven't even bothered to read half the things you cite because you don't have them LOL!
quote:Authentic Negroid types who make up over 90% of Sub-Saharan Africa's population.
Wtf... lol? If they take samples geographically unreasonable to compare to Egyptians than this obviously suggests bias.
quote:That is because those Africans you just mentioned are heavily Caucasoid admixed as well.
Not this sh1t again!
My Last comment in response to you. You've obviously gone overboard with the name change and avatar, you can't be take seriously
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Notice how distant Copts (modern versions of the Ancient Egyptians) are from the Sub-Saharan samples in the first principal component. Posts: 695 | From: وكان المصريون القدماء القوقازين | Registered: Jan 2011
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The pottiest Afrocentric claim I've heard was that the Vikings and Anglo Saxons were black (black hebrews, no less). Other amusing claims include the Greeks, the Carians, the Celts, the Elamites, William Shakespeare, Queen Charlotte, Jesus, Buddha, the Olmecs, the Indoneians, the Xia dynasty Chinese, Hannibal, Septimus Severus and Socrates.
If I was an Afrocentrist I think I would stick to Egypt. At least that's vaguely plausible, and if you trawl through enough Egyptian images on google it's possible to find a few to support your claim, while ignoring the many that don't. Then one can keep propagating the myth of a pan-African race and culture, and ignoring the geographical and temporal distance between Egyptian and West African cultures; and pretend to descend from pharaohs.
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The Copts like the Ancient Egyptians are first and foremost a Caucasoid population. Genetically they cluster far away from Negroids.
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quote:Originally posted by rahotep101: The pottiest Afrocentric claim I've heard was that the Vikings and Anglo Saxons were black (black hebrews, no less). Other amusing claims include the Greeks, the Carians, the Celts, the Elamites, William Shakespeare, Queen Charlotte, Jesus, Buddha, the Olmecs, the Indoneians, the Xia dynasty Chinese, Hannibal, Septimus Severus and Socrates.
If I was an Afrocentrist I think I would stick to Egypt. At least that's vaguely plausible, and if you trawl through enough Egyptian images it's possible to find a few to support your claim, while ignoring the many that don't. Then one can keep propagating the myth of a pan-African race and culture, and ignoring the geographical and temporal distance between Egyptian and West African cultures; and pretend to descend from pharaohs.
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quote:Originally posted by adrianne: so african americans and half white africans are caucasoid??
African Americans are ~80% Negroid, and their Negroid component is of the broadest most Negroid type of all. They are not Caucasoid.
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It depends on where the African parent is from. If he or she is from North Africa or the Horn of Africa the offspring are mainly Caucasoid. However, if half Negroid African, the offspring are *not* Caucasoid.
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