The overwhelming portrayal of Medieval European monarchs is as whites.
The surprise is that some of the most well-known are also presented as African by artists who lived in their lifetime.
Their deeds were not particularly flattering. Be that as it may, take a look:
WILLIAM THE CONQUEROR:
MARY TUDOR:
PHILIP II:
There are dozens more throughout Europe found not only in France, Germany, England, and Spain but Austria, Hungary, Latvia, Estonia, the Netherlands, Belgium, and on-and-on.
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ANOTHER OF PHILIP II. His holdings were so vast worldwide, of him it was said (paraphrase), “The sun never sets on the Spanish Empire.” This before the saying that the sun never sets on the British Empire.”
FREDERICK OF SAXONY: ANOTHER AFRICAN/BLACK/NEGRO ELECTOR OF SAXONY IN SAME POSITION AS MAURICE: He deferred the kingship to Charles V when he could have been king himself. He was also called Frederick the Wise.
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Marc when we look at these coins what are the guidelines to tell if the person was black or not? What is your check list to be able to tell?
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Marc when we look at these coins what are the guidelines to tell if the person was black or not? What is your check list to be able to tell?
Though Lioness is a troll, who will undoubtedly try to run it into the ground, it is still a worthwhile question to answer for the edification of others.
When we look at the modern White person, especially those in the western hemisphere, and note the variety of phenotypes and colors, we assume that this is indicative of the White race in general - IT IS NOT!
The modern White person is continually distancing himself from his forefathers, who were "White skinned, Red haired, and Blue eyed" - classic symptoms of Albinism. (see Herodotus circa 400 B.C. and Tacitus circa 100 A.D.). The picture would be rounded out with narrow noses, thin lips, and no ass.
PLEASE NOTE THIS NEWSPAPER ARTICLE.
"Since the turn of the century, people born with blue eyes in the United States have dramatically decreased, with only about 10 percent having blue eyes today. According to Mark Grant, an epidemiologist from Loyola University in Chicago. During the turn of the last century, the percentage of people with blue eyes stood at 57.4% for those born between 1899 through 1905; and 33.8% for those born between 1936 through 1951. According to Grant, in a study titled "Cohort effects in a genetically determined trait: eye color among US whites." This decrease in the occurrence of blue eyes is due to many factors, with the majority pointing to the increase in brown-eyed immigrants, mainly Hispanics and Asians, as well as heightened interracial relationships: as the other determinant. Blue eyes, next to green, are the rarest eye color in the world, as people of counties in Asia and Africa possess brown eyes."
I think part of the problem is that modern people look at Greek and Roman statuary and assume that is what ancient White people used to look like.
But that is incorrect: 1) Most of those artifacts are modern fakes. 2) Ancient Greeks and Romans were in the main: Mulattoes - like modern Whites!
HOPEFULLY WE ALL REMEMBER THAT MODERN WHITES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ROMANS AND GREEKS. THEY ARE GERMANIC'S, SLAV'S, AND TURKS, WHO ENTERED EUROPE, IN THEIR "PURE" ALBINO FORM, CIRCA YEAR "0" A.D. ONWARD.
Thus, when looking at artifacts: curly hair and full lips ARE indeed a guarantee of accuracy in determining racial heritage. But it is not all encompassing, i.e. there are Black people with straight hair and thin lips too.
As an example:
The mulatto, King Ferdinand of Spain. In profile, on a colorless coin, except for the lips, you would never know.
I am continually astounded by the number of U.S. White women I see today with great asses. Reference old 30s, 40s, movies, they USED to be flat as boards.
I assumed this to be due to admixture, but I have been told that it is mainly due to modern medical procedures. Does anyone have knowledge?
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^Lioness, if you are truly a female, here is where you can finally make a worthwhile contribution.
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I think part of the problem is that modern people look at Greek and Roman statuary and assume that is what ancient White people used to look like. ============
We don't need art, we have literature evidence. Even you quote from Herodotus and Tacitus.
The ancient greek aristocracy is described as blonde or red haired and pale white. This however only ever contributed 7% of the population.
There was a difference in physique of the different classes in ancient greece.
The fair haired Indo-Europeans were only the minority ruling class over the mass lower class populations of the Meditteranid racial type.
As for blacks, they only arrived in greece as slaves.
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^ Its common knowledge. As a classicist i only quote ancient sources.
Unless you are saying all ancient texts were fabricated (which would equate you to a conspiracy theory type crank) then you have no valid reason to dismiss them.
You reject ancient literature, artwork...basically everything all for a fantasy pseudo-history. When in reality this is your peoples history:
a few mud huts...
Not this -
Btw, when we colonised africa we still found your people in muts huts with no running water or technology. Everything you are using now (e.g. your computer) was invented by white people.
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pillared, colonaded structure (i.e. Darius the Great's Hall of Nations the world's first United Nations) with heavenly guards possessing African features: 11a, 11b)
I don't want to get off-thread. Egmond pioneered the subject of black blood as blue blood and here is more evidence in the person of Cosimo de Medici. Art being so lucrative, counterfeit artists play into need for whites to see themselves as the greatest historical figures and support counterfeits.
This portrayal of Cosimo de Medici I believe is true to his actual appearance whereas the Westernized versions are, in my view, counterfeit:
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By way of interest, it was the Medici's who invented double-entry bookkeeping!!
The Medici's were instrumental in ushering in the Renaissance and it was their family who supported Galileo.
In fact, when Cosimo de Medici was a child, it was Galileo who was his tutor!!
The Medici's were the biggest bankers in Medieval Florence. Perhaps on the level of the Rothchild's. Eventually, perhaps a century after Cosimo de Medici, the family was run out of town. The theory goes it was because of ineptitude.
In all likelihood, it was just another way for unscrupulous scoundrels to get rich quick by taking someone else's ready-made fortune.
Another black dynasty bit the dust.
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Marc, 90% of your busts and artwork which you claim are ''black'' infact show straight haired, thin nosed white people. You aren't fooling anyone. You just debunk and discredit your own nonsense.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: [qb] Marc when we look at these coins what are the guidelines to tell if the person was black or not? What is your check list to be able to tell?
it is still a worthwhile question to answer for the edification of others.
Marc, I think Mike's right, as black people we need to be aware of the guidelines to determine if some one is black or not so more and more of us can expose attempts to white wash the Africaness of European monarchs.
Mike said:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: curly hair and full lips ARE indeed a guarantee of accuracy in determining racial heritage.
would you say this is a good proof that given person were black? It seems pretty solid:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: [qb] Marc when we look at these coins what are the guidelines to tell if the person was black or not? What is your check list to be able to tell?
it is still a worthwhile question to answer for the edification of others.
Marc, I think Mike's right, as black people we need to be aware of the guidelines to determine if some one is black or not so more and more of us can expose attempts to white wash the Africaness of European monarchs.
Mike said:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: curly hair and full lips ARE indeed a guarantee of accuracy in determining racial heritage.
would you say this is a good proof that given person were black?
BLACK =
1) curly hair
2) full lips
Is this the same method you use? But your original post of William the Conqueror didn't seem to meet these conditions. He seems to have straight hair, slightly wavy perhaps. I don't know if I would say his lips are full. His bottom lips is somewhere in between thin and full and you can't really see the top lip because the beard the facial hair is covering it. Please enlighten us on these issues, not just for me for the edification of all black people to have the tools to analyze these artifacts. Also Mike's talking about mulatto. Does this mean
BLACK/MULATTO =
1) curly hair
2) full lips
or just
MULATTO =
1) curly hair
2) full lips
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Should we view Afro-type hair being different from curly hair or is it a type of curly hair? We've seen Europeans with large curled hair but very few have the smaller coiled afro-type hair. And if we have this Mulatto factor and it's an element of the ancestry of the European monarchs should they be presented as "African" or "Mulatto" or "half-African" Is that more accurate? How prevalent was this element? also today how prevalent is this in royals?
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We've seen Europeans with large curled hair but very few have the smaller coiled afro-type hair ======
See chart -
Average hair of white europeans is between 2 and 5 (straight or wavy-straight). 6 - curly is the minority, but not nonexistant in whites.
In sharp contrast blacks only have extremely wooly afro type hair (7 - 10) which is why black people cannot grow long hair.
Mike admitted most of the photos he posts ''he is stumped'' by because they have long straight flowing hair. See the thread on minoans where mike has written he can't account for it. Basically the afrocentrics self-acknowleledge their own crap lies.
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Next we move onto Henry VII and Elizabeth of York. Henry VII was Celtic. Was called Celtic. As such, was (by phenotype) African / Negro / black.
This you can also see in the image with he and the queen. With their marriage was formed the House of Tudor whose royal descendants bring us his son Edward the VIII and grand daughter Mary Tudor - the first queen of England.
You probably want me to show their images later so I will.
For now, Henry VII and Elizabeth of York - a Celtic people:
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Are you blind? The picture you posted shows two clear white people. Look at the woman's long flowing straight hair and thin nose. The guy also has straight hair. Neither look black.
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There are hundreds of contemporary physical descriptions of Britain's kings and queens spanning roughly 2,000 years. Boudicca queen of the Iceni tribe, is described by Cassius Dio in the 2nd century AD as having reddish hair that fell to her hips.
All these sources you can easily look up. They fully debunk afrocentrism.
Regarding Henry VIII:
The following is a description of Henry VIII.
It comes from a Venetian diplomat called Pasqualigo who wrote it in 1515 in a dispatch back to Venice.
“His Majesty is the handsomest potentate I ever set eyes on; above the usual height, with an extremely fine calf to his leg, his complexion very fair and bright, with auburn hair combed straight and short, in the French fashion, and a round face so very beautiful, that it would become a pretty woman, his throat being rather long and thick. He was born on the 28th of June, 1491, so he will enter his twenty-fifth year the month after next. He speaks French English, and Latin, and a little Italian, he plays well on the lute and harpsichord, sings from book at sight, draws the bow with greater strength than any man in England, and jousts marvellously. Believe me, he is in every respect a most accomplished Prince; and I, who have now seen all the sovereigns in Christendom, and last of all these two of France and England in such great state, might well rest content, and with sufficient reason have it said to me, ‘abi viator, sat tuis oculis debe’ (go home traveller, your eyes have seen enough).
Afrocentrism has no basis of truth. Mike111 knows this and acknowledges all the sources which refute his fantasy of 'black kings of europe' so he claims the translations are frauds or fakes (however at the same time he has no problem with accepting translations of ancient or medieval authors as genuine when they suit his bullshit).
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Bare with me, because this is going to take some time.
Look at the above coin.
Now repeat this mantra:
"He's an African"
"He's an African"
"He's an African"
Now set a timer for 26 minutes and repeat the mantra until the alarm goes off staring at the coin. trust yourself
For the first 10 minutes or so your mind will say things like "isn't he a European?" "he looks albino" "lioness is stupid, why am I doing this?" "maybe I'm the stupid one" "isn't FDR of English and Dutch ancestry? "but the Europeans were black" "this is not going to work" "wait a minute some Ethiopians have narrow noses and thin lips" "he does look like that green shirt guy" "they must have doctored the photos or used makeup on him"
Don't worry about any of these thoughts, just let them come and go. That's just your mind running off with the mouth Just keep saying "He's an African" continuously. Just get comfortable with the statement, accept it.
At the end of the 26 minutes he will look African to you.
Now wait until tomorrow. Look at the coin. He may not look quite as African, only say half African. Don't worry, Go back to the mantra:
"He's an African"
"He's an African"
"He's an African
If you do this for 26 minutes THREE SEPARATE DAYS, the transformation will be permanent. He will become an African
Bare with me, because this is going to take some time.
Look at the above coin.
Now repeat this mantra:
"He's an African"
"He's an African"
"He's an African"
Now set a timer for 26 minutes and repeat the mantra until the alarm goes off staring at the coin. trust yourself
For the first 10 minutes or so your mind will say things like "isn't he a European?" "he looks albino" "lioness is stupid, why am I doing this?" "maybe I'm the stupid one" "isn't FDR of English and Dutch ancestry? "but the Europeans were black" "this is not going to work" "wait a minute some Ethiopians have narrow noses and thin lips" "he does look like that green shirt guy" "they must have doctored the photos or used makeup on him"
Don't worry about any of these thoughts, just let them come and go. That's just your mind running off with the mouth Just keep saying "He's an African" continuously. Just get comfortable with the statement, accept it.
At the end of the 26 minutes he will look African to you.
Now wait until tomorrow. Look at the coin. He may not look quite as African, only say half African. Don't worry, Go back to the mantra:
"He's an African"
"He's an African"
"He's an African
If you do this for 26 minutes THREE SEPARATE DAYS, the transformation will be permanent. He will become an African
-it's how you look at it
lioness productions
I'm sorry but.....
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: If you do this for 26 minutes THREE SEPARATE DAYS, the transformation will be permanent. He will become an African
-it's how you look at it
lioness productions
Yep, its as stupid as you repeating the "six million jews dies in nazi gas chambers" mantra.
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- pale white skinned and red bearded. Contemporary written accounts also describe him as white skinned and auburn haired.
How many reddish haired negroids are there with pale white skin?
[Marc writes]: Quite a few, actually. Take a look at this page from a few years back addressing the issue of pale-skinned, red-headed blacks like Henry VIII with his straight nose.
Most black peoples nose is straight, as is mine also - though rounded at the tip such as in the case of Henry VIII, a black man with black parents who may have turned-out pale-skinned. He wouldn't be the first:
[cassiterides writes:] Marc, negroid albinos look nothing like white people. For starters they have afros.
[Marc writes:] Really? This albino woman you posted does not have a fro - she has long, straight hair:
[cassiterides writes:]For starters, they have fros
[Marc writes:] Huumm. In C, the first two have straight, long hair.
Thanks for noting blacks have fros. Henry VIII has a wiry fro and a rounded nose in this commemorative medal done in his lifetime.
Henry VIII was a black dude.
In another commemorative medal done in his lifetime (not a painting hundreds of years later) he has flaring nostrils, a rounded (not pointed) nose, and thick lips.
Henry VIII was a black dude.
You ask why the albino black girl and white girl look nothing alike?
Huumm. You said negoid albinos have fros but in the picture you select of a negroid albino, she has straight hair like the white girl.
Why don't they look alike? They do. Both have white skin and straight hair.
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Whites did not come from black albinos, for the simple reason the negro race has no physical diversity. They don't have straight hair or white facial features.
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quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: If whites are black albinos.
Then find a straight blonde haired negroid.
blah...blah...baaaaa
Whites did not come from black albinos, for the simple reason the negro race has no physical diversity. They don't have straight hair or white facial features.
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[cassiterides writes]: How many reddish haired negroids are there with pale white skin?
[Marc writes]: I produced a page showing you many examples of pale white-skinned blacks with reddish hair.
You ignore the fact then go on to speak of albino negroids having afros; but choose a picture of one with straight hair.
You disprove yourself.
Then you mention that the woman's hair is artificially straightened in the same breath you earlier said she had a fro ... but your initial claim was there were no fair skinned, reddish haired blacks (and there are many).
You are not serious.
This is the last comment I shall ever make to you under any circumstances.
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Still waiting for you afrocentric trolls to paste a negroid with hair like this -
If you were serious and not troll accounts you would post one.
Instead you post photos of bearded AINU people or american indians from google images.
Its fucking retarded.
I ask for a negroid, and you paste ainu.
what will be next?
are the eskimos also black men with afros?
You only poste for a reaction. Thats what a troll does. And i've wasted enough time with you.
I doubt you even believe what you type here. Heck, you probably aren't even black. You only post for a reaction.
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The girl has long blond hair - and she's black =========
from google search:
''Parents Rosemere Fernandes de Andrade and her partner Joao are mixed-race Brazilians''
Brazil is a melting pot. The child boy in your photo is clearly not 100% negroid. That woman is black but her husband is clearly mixed brazilian, hence the straight hair.
Here is the hair texture of full blooded negroids:
Those are your afros you hate so much you claim your people are now straight haired.
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quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: If whites are black albinos.
Then find a straight blonde haired negroid.
blah...blah...baaaaa
Whites did not come from black albinos, for the simple reason the negro race has no physical diversity. They don't have straight hair or white facial features.
Cassrider
The girl above is African!
Your dysfunctional albino brains is messed up. Like your albinism induced poor eyesight...
LOL!
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See the thread on minoans where mike has written he can't account for it. 
I'm sorry but.....
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