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^ We don't know because Jews refuse to be included in the census and identified as Jews. All we have to rely on are Jew controlled propaganda sources, which of course, cannot be trusted. One thing we can be sure of, all Jew controlled estimates are intentional underestimates motivated by past incidents where Jews were rounded up and expelled from over 100 countries.
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quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: ^ We don't know because Jews refuse to be included in the census and identified as Jews. All we have to rely on are Jew controlled propaganda sources, which of course, cannot be trusted. One thing we can be sure of, all Jew controlled estimates are intentional underestimates motivated by past incidents where Jews were rounded up and expelled from over 100 countries.
quote:Originally posted by Narmertot
:I don't believe that Jews are a separate race
the Bureau of the Census is not the source for information on religions such as Christainity, Judaism or Islam
I'm getting tired of the thick
question: If somebody came out with an article that Jews were 7% of the U.S. instead of 2%
if Jews were powerful they would be proud of that
If instead Jews were 7% but they feel they have to hide that it shows they are afraid and lack power, are forced to hide
so your logic doesn't make sense
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^ Jews are not a religion. They are a race. Therefore, the census should track their numbers and other stats. You Jews talk out of the sides of your mouths. First you say you are a race, then when you are to be treated as a race you whine and say never mind, we are a religion. But, you are a religion who inherits via the mother. Therefore, you are a race.
LOL, what you really are not a race and not a religion, but psycho.
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^ According to their own definition, Jews are not a religion. They are a race. Therefore, the census should track their numbers and other stats. You Jews talk out of the sides of your mouths. First you say you are a race, then when you are to be treated as a race you whine and say never mind, we are a religion. But, you are a religion who inherits via the mother. Therefore, you are a race.
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quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: ^ According to their own definition, Jews are not a religion. They are a race. Therefore, the census should track their numbers and other stats. You Jews talk out of the sides of your mouths. First you say you are a race, then when you are to be treated as a race you whine and say never mind, we are a religion. But, you are a religion who inherits via the mother. Therefore, you are a race.
do you have a quote or are you having a made up conversation with yourself?
Why would Jews be afraid to be recorded as a race on the U.S. census?
Why would they argue they are a race when they are trying not to be included on a census as a race? -doesn't add up at all
Why are you a complete hypocrite and continue to use clown derived -make it up as you going along- logic that doesn't make sense?
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quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: Kabyle berber 1860 i.e. long after the fall of Moors (blacks) and the advance of Europeans mixing.
I think the people in the 1860 photo may be more mixed with Arabs than Europeans. They were able to avoid and retreat from the Ottomans into the mountains.
Since the 4000 BC, the indigenous peoples of northern Africa (identified by the Romans as Berbers) were pushed back from the coast by successive waves of Phoenician, Roman, Vandal, Byzantine, Arab, Turkish, and, finally, French invaders.
Phoenician traders arrived on the North African coast around 900 BC and established Carthage (in present-day Tunisia) around 800 BC. During the classical period, Berber civilization was already at a stage in which agriculture, manufacturing, trade, and political organization supported several states. Trade links between Carthage and the Berbers in the interior grew, but territorial expansion also resulted in the enslavement or military recruitment of some Berbers and in the extraction of tribute from others.
The Carthaginian state declined because of successive defeats by the Romans in the Punic Wars, and in 146 BC the city of Carthage was destroyed. As Carthaginian power waned, the influence of Berber leaders in the hinterland grew.
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This is a Roman general of some sort, with what we call in America a typical Roman nose. Sorry Charlys.
Massinissa was a Berber like those who were called Tehenou. Roman coins are found in many cultures. He was of the same stock as Gildo "the Moor" (Aguellid or Galadima) the Tuareg name for chief and of the same stock as Firmus and Tacfarinus the latter meaning son of the Afren or Ifren man. i.e. Tuareg.
Greek and Roman portrait statues and coins found in Sabaean, Arab and North African culture represent Romans not - not Africans or African Asiatics .
Picturespam away if you must. it won't change history!
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quote:Originally posted by Faheemdunkers: "Old Arab descriptions of "blacks" also reveal that what they meant by "black" is not necessarily what we understand it to mean today. Some medieval Arab writers such as al-Jahiz applied the term "blacks" to practically all peoples darker than the average Arab, and "whites" to peoples lighter than the norm:
"The blacks are more numerous than the whites. The whites at most consist of the people of Persia, Jibal, and Khurasan, the Greeks, Slavs, Franks, and Avars, and some few others, not very numerous; the blacks include the Zanj, Ethiopians, the people of Fazzan, the Berbers, the Copts, and Nubians, the people of Zaghawa, Marw, Sind and India, Qamar and Dabila, China, and Masin... the islands in the seas between China and Africa are full of blacks, such as Ceylon, Kalah, Amal, Zabij, and their islands, as far as India, China, Kabul, and those shores"
Jahiz's inclusion of Indians, Sindhi, and Chinese as "blacks" reinforces the point that color terms taken out of their cultural contexts are too ambiguous to determine the physical characteristics of peoples with much accuracy."
No Jahiz never ever mentioned Chinese being black! Sorry but the Zabij, Kalah, Sin and Masin refer in early Arab sources to the Kunlun lands of Indo -China covered with blacks that were also called called Zang. I am sorry people that lack knowledge about history have interpreted the word Sin as China when in fact for the Arabs like Jahiz and Yaqubi it referred to the land of Java and Indo-China which was covered with blacks called Kam in those days like the lands of Kambujadesa and Funan or Masin!
I said a new batter up please!
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brada you might want to save this set, I made some custom enlargements
Lol! Many of the Kabyles are a lot fairer than the Italian looking people u posted above and we all know why and where they originated don't we -Svenska.
Vandal and Roman North AFrica! Why keep posting photos of mixed peoples who come from Romans, Vandals, and other peoples that only mixed with the Africans called Berbers.
I mean give us a break!
Why not post the Berbers that the Romans and Vandals knew in Kabylia where the Romans and Vandals settled, and the Berbers whose language they adopted.
19th century painting of Berber of Kabyle mountains
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“The population of Vandal North Africa was made up of Vandals, Romans and Moors..... Nevertheless the description of Vandals in the wider of two senses still included some Alans and others conscious of their own non-Vandal origins. The king's title remained 'King of the Vandals and Alans'." From the Book Regna and Gentes The Relationship between Late Antique and Early Medieval, by H. Goetz,: p. 68
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Says the idiot who posted the Roman coin. lol
quote:do you think before you open your mouth? "lol"
It was obviously tongue-in-cheek doofus. You and your mixing up (literally) of North African history is one big joke. A North African Roman coin is no more accurate than a Roman sculpture of an African. But given your ability to read and comprehend an article explaining why Zionists and Nazis collaborated only to ask why did they collaborate, I'm not surprised the post went over your head. lol
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This is a Roman general of some sort, with what we call in America a typical Roman nose. Sorry Charlys.
^^^ This is another coin of the Numidian berber king Massinissa
This is a coin of Roman Empeor Septimius Severus, he was considered part berber.
You are assuming that the coins depicting Massinissa has a particular type of nose it could not be somebody that had berber ancestry. The have curly hair the Massinissa coin even in afro shape. Perhaps some could be mulattoes
quote:Originally posted by dana marniche:
Massinissa was a Berber like those who were called Tehenou. Roman coins are found in many cultures. He was of the same stock as Gildo "the Moor" (Aguellid or Galadima) the Tuareg name for chief and of the same stock as Firmus and Tacfarinus the latter meaning son of the Afren or Ifren man. i.e. Tuareg.
any book on the history of Africa calls Massinissa a Numidian. Numidia was located in Algeria parts of Tunisia and Libya 3rd to 1st centuries BC, a client state of the NA Roman provices considered to be comprised of berbers
a few coins exist of these berber kings and each king looks different
Syphax
You may not want to call them berber, it doesn't matter.
These coins of Numidian kings of Algeria parts of Tunisia and Libya 3rd to 1st centuries BC looked like they do far before Islam.
That doesn't mean there weren't also people who looked more sahelian or sub saharan around at the time as well.
Sometimes the Numidans get called "Moors" I prefer not to call them that. To me "Moors" should be applied to the much later period people who invaded Iberia, Moorish Spain.
This begins with the Umayyad Caliphate and then progresses to the Almoravid and Almohad. Tariq bin Ali was considered to be a berber and he combined forces with Arabians. Under the command of the Umayyad Caliphateinvaded Iberia in 711
The Almoravids had went further South than the Almoravid converting Sanhaja tribes and conquering Ghana and intermarrying with some of them.
Later in Morocco, the Marinids
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quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: A North African Roman coin is no more accurate than a Roman sculpture of an African.
you are making up bullshyt, you don't do any of your own research you just copy other posters like a parrot.mindless cheerleading
and the Romans had an empire including provinces in the Maghreb in case you didn't know they are a part of North African history
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quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: ]OMG! But if the debate is about who or what Berbers look like, jackass, it does matter! LMAO! [/QB]
no it isn't you stupid piece of shyt, it's about vikings and celts
and the tangent was on Moors
and many scholars say Moors enter written history as the Numidians, but you didn't know this
and are not doing any research of your own research are buzzing around either throwing poo or parroting
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Your picture spams ("research" LOL!) is all about showing who you think the Berbers are, what they look like, back then. At least try to be honest about your shyt making.
"So Ancient Rome was a mixed/mulatto civilization?"
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Rome then was primarily white as it is today.
Since several hundred years before Christ the Maghreb has been mixed. You can't easily establish a predominant ethnicity. The civilizations of that period were foreign established and other people were sparcely populated nomads who go over wide distances and are known for integrating various ethnicities,
wheras what some might call the lower portion of North Africa, the Sahel, as it is today is predominantly Tropical West African and other indigenous Africans.
but simpletons don't understand this, too nuanced, not a predicted narrative they have pre made arguments for
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^^^ he put this up, and when dana didn't agree he preended it was "tongue in cheek"
lying fraud
Dana does not have to agree with him. The evidence is right before your lying eyes but your lying tongue will not quit...
Lion! [/QB]
Iron you don't undertand what happened. You should be mad at anguishedbeing. He first said that the above image of Massinissa was a true rep berber. Obviously I did not argue with him on that if your dumb ass was following the thread it was me a few posts earlier who had first put up this coin of Massinissa not questioning it.
then dana came in and said it looked Roman not berber
then anguished parrot agreed and tried to pretend that when he originally called it "true rep berber" he was joking.
I then merely pointed out his flip flop
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^^^ he put this up, and when dana didn't agree he preended it was "tongue in cheek"
lying fraud
Dana does not have to agree with him. The evidence is right before your lying eyes but your lying tongue will not quit...
Lion!
Iron you don't undertand what happened. You should be mad at anguishedbeing. He first said that the above image of Massinissa was a true rep berber. Obviously I did not argue with him on that if your dumb ass was following the thread it was me a few posts earlier who had first put up this coin of Massinissa not questioning it.
then dana came in and said it looked Roman not berber
then anguished parrot agreed and tried to pretend that when he originally called it "true rep berber" he was joking.
I then merely pointed out his flip flop [/QB]
Ok, proceed...
I am outta here.
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I didn't understand this post either. Was this suppose to be Saint Maurice a Moor?
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quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: Confusion between then and today
Largest representative of Jews today
Largest representative of Berbers today
THE people you posted belong to the turkish race.
THE Turks conqured north Africa the Levant and Europe all the way to Hungary they killed off all local BLACK inhabitants of Europe. Took over Eygpt,and All of north africa and they enslaved, oppressed the black berbers as well. Now hundreds of years later Turks are claimimg histories that are not theirs. They have adobted the culture and religion of the people they conqured.
Map of the Turkish conquest of the Known world from 1481-19th century
This is the Turkish flag
Looks just like the flag you posted
That is not a TRUE Berber flag it is the flag of the Turkish nation period.
Do some real research please.
This is what ARTHUR KOESTLER a Jewish white man this is what he wrote about the origins of his people
ARTHUR KOESTLER "THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE" page 17
"The large majority of surviving Jews in the world are of Eastern European descent - and thus perhaps mainly of Khazar origin. If so, this would mean that their ancestors came not from the Jordan but from the volga, not from Canaan but from the Caucasus, once believed to be the cradle of the Aryan race; and that genetically they are more closely related to the Hun, uigur, and Magyar tribes than to the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob".
This book traces the history of the ancient Khazar Empire, a major but almost forgotten power in Eastern Europe, which in A.D. 740 converted to Judaism.
THE actual REAL decendants of Hebrews are the American Negro they are the real oppressed Jews.
Here is just some of the prof that I have.
MOORISH WRITER AL Edrisi Of andalusia of Spain wrote in the early part of the 12 th century about the Powwerful Hebrew colony of LamLam.
LamLam was situated about 2 hundred miles West of Timbuktu.
I have tracked down the migrations of the true black hebrews they fled into the following continent.
Europe- Christian Empire Asia- In china the hebrews were called the HATA CLAN Africa- Falashas, ZA DYNASTY in GHANA, Djamena (western Ethiopia), Opala East Central Africa,Cameroon, Angola to Mali
Arabia- Yemrena and Mecca
Those are the areas the hebrews fled into
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quote:Originally posted by dana marniche: No Jahiz never ever mentioned Chinese being black! Sorry but the Zabij, Kalah, Sin and Masin refer in early Arab sources to the Kunlun lands of Indo -China covered with blacks that were also called called Zang. I am sorry people that lack knowledge about history have interpreted the word Sin as China when in fact for the Arabs like Jahiz and Yaqubi it referred to the land of Java and Indo-China which was covered with blacks called Kam in those days like the lands of Kambujadesa and Funan or Masin!
I said a new batter up please!
LOL This is correct. Lyinass and may Euronuts try to obfuscate China with Indo-China in attempt to discredit realist scholars. It is a FACT that even the Chinese themselves acknowledged and even had trade relations with black indigenes to their south in Indo-China and in the Indonesian islands.
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quote:Originally posted by the lyinass,: "Why not post the Berbers and Vandals knew in Kabylia, and whose language they adopted."
what do you mean?
You and your stupid fuking Roman coins. lol
LOL That's because the coins don't show the actual color of the people, only their features. She posts a coin showing a man with an aquiline nose as proof that the Numidians were not black.
Images with color:
Again, this dumb ignoramus denies the FACT that there are black North Africans with such type noses.
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quote:Originally posted by the lyinass,: "Why not post the Berbers and Vandals knew in Kabylia, and whose language they adopted."
what do you mean?
You and your stupid fuking Roman coins. lol
LOL That's because the coins don't show the actual color of the people, only their features. She posts a coin showing a man with an aquiline nose as proof that the Numidians were not black.
Images with color:
Again, this dumb ignoramus denies the FACT that there are black North Africans with such type noses.
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Please stop with the worthless photo spams. Cheery picking photos is a wasted endeavour. Even you should be capable of raising above this lowest of levels.
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^ Indeed, yet every time other people post pictures of more indigenous looking North Africans she accuses them of "cherry picking". Total hypocrite she is.
quote:Originally posted by the lyinass twit: A Tunisian man:
A Tunisian girl:
Tunisian women and girl:
A Tunisian woman and grandchildren:
Two politicians. Guess which one is Tunisian!:
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