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Are YOU a proud PN2 clade carrier???????????


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^ Caucasoid is a proven race. All the evidence is online, its easy to research.

Claiming races don't exist, automatically discredits yourself as a crank.

Oddly afrocentrics like yourself claim Negroids or 'Blacks' exist, but not Caucasoids or whites.

So who are white people then?


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E-P2 is not a race.

It originated before most human races diverged properly.

Egyptian E-P2 carriers are genetically closer to their Caucasoid kin in Europe than they are to West Africans!

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Maybe the question should go to the OTHER clown. Let me re-phrase it, you know, so you can understand

Are YOU a proud PN2 clade carrier?

OR. . . .Are YOUR forefathers, (ie MALE BLOODLINE), associated with the peoples of AE, Neolithics of Europe and the Near East, ancient peoples of the Maghreb.

Can YOU trace your lineage to Africa through PN2 or is is your link to Africa further back.

This is the question you clowns need to first ask? Do YOU have DISTANT African ancestry or are YOU more RECENT.

Are YOUR bloodline part of the first wave that left the continent or those who remained to sow the seeds of civilization.

Are YOU a decendant of the invaders(R1b1b) who overan, destroyed and stole OUR(PN2) inheritance under the label "CAUCASOID".

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quote:
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E-P2 is not a race.

It originated before most human races diverged properly.

Egyptian E-P2 carriers are genetically closer to their Caucasoid kin in Europe than they are to West Africans!

Medieval Indigenous Afro-Europeans of Bratislava:

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Sorry Mike [Big Grin] [Big Grin] . . .carry on. . .As usual good work, your pics are off the charts.
The ignorant fool still don't get it. Of course East Africans and some North Africans will share some physiology with Europeans compared to Africans futher south. Why? is what anyone with a brain would ask. Answer. . . because they are the ones that left the continent. It is called demic diffusion. [Roll Eyes] [Roll Eyes]

The more significant indicator is lineage. What is YOUR bloodline? That is the first question you should ask before interrupting this conversation . . . .or GTFOH!!!!

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Thats all they have left.. .a word. . ."CAUCASOID". Fuckcer would hate being called African but wants to claim African achievements. Disgusting, uneducated(and irrational) fools!!!
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quote:
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The Medieval Whites were in a pickle, it was still early enough in history, where there were still REAL Hebrews running around, and they clearly KNEW what Hebrews looked like ie. Black Skinned.

But at the same time, they were taking control of everything, and they wanted their adapted religion to look more like them.

Of course they knew that if they tried to depict Hebrews as White, the God that they now believed in, would punish them for misrepresenting his "Chosen People". So they decided to depict Hebrews as looking like them - only with Black skin!

(Of course, they had already BEEN punished, by being deprived of Melanin).

Even the Russians and Eastern Europeans got into the act!

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Russian Orthodox icon of the Apostle and Evangelist John the Theologian, 18th century (Iconostasis of Transfiguration Church, Kizhi Monastery, Karelia, Russia)

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Saint Demetrius

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Saint Demetrius

In the spiritual experience of the Russian Church, veneration of the holy Great Martyr Demetrius of Thessalonica is closely linked with the memory of the defense of the nation and Church by the Great Prince of Moscow, Demetrius of the Don (May 19).

St Demetrius of the Don smashed the military might of the Golden Horde at the Battle of Kulikovo Field on September 8, 1380 (the Feast of the Nativity of the Most Holy Theotokos), set between the Rivers Don and Nepryadva. The Battle of Kulikovo, for which the nation calls him Demetrius of the Don, became the first Russian national deed, rallying the spiritual power of the Russian nation around Moscow. The "Zadonschina," an inspiring historic poem written by the priest Sophronius of Ryazem (1381), is devoted to this event.

Prince Demetrius of the Don was greatly devoted to the holy Great Martyr Demetrius. In 1380, on the eve of the Battle of Kulikovo, he solemnly transferred from Vladimir to Moscow the most holy object in the Dimitriev cathedral of Vladimir: the icon of the Great Martyr Demetrius of Thessalonica, painted on a piece of wood from the saint's grave. A chapel in honor of the Great Martyr Demetrius was built at Moscow's Dormition Cathedral.

The St Demetrius Memorial Saturday was established for the churchwide remembrance of the soldiers who fell in the Battle of Kulidovo. This memorial service was held for the first time at the Trinity-St Sergius monastery on October 20, 1380 by St Sergius of Radonezh, in the presence of Great Prince Demetrius of the Don . It is an annual remembrance of the heroes of the Battle of Kulikovo, among whom are the schemamonks Alexander (Peresvet) and Andrew (Oslyab).

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Watch how Saint Demetrius changed!


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Here is a very interesting play on race - what do you think the White hands signify?



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^But of course the Russians and Eastern Europeans are mere amateurs in racism, when compared to the Germanics, particularly those of Britain and Germany.

Today's virulent racism can be traced directly back to them. And small wonder, as Tacitus describes them, they were the most Albino of the Whites from Central Asia.

The Roman historian Cornelius Tacitus (56-118 A.D.)

Quote: All have fierce blue eyes, red hair, huge frames, (and of course pale White skin), fit only for a sudden exertion.

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Germanic depravity into racism can be easily traced in Britain, by looking at religious icons.

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Notice all the saints were originally Black, albeit Whitenized Black. That is because Christianity was brought to Britain by ST. AUGUSTINE - Archbishop of Canterbury.

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ST AUGUSTINE - Archbishop of Canterbury (died 604) was from Italy, and a disciple of St Felix, Bishop of Messana. St Gregory Dialogus, Pope of Rome, chose him to lead a mission of forty monks to evangelize the people of Britain. They arrived at Ebbsfleet (on the isle of Thanet) in Kent in 597.

King Ethelbert, whose Frankish wife Bertha was a Christian, welcomed them. They were allowed to base their mission at the ancient church of St Martin in Canterbury, which was restored for their use. This church had been built during the Roman occupation of Britain, and the queen often went there to pray. At first, the king was reluctant to give up his pagan beliefs, but he promised not to harm them, and to supply them with whatever they needed. He also promised that he would not prevent them from preaching Christianity. St Augustine later converted the king to Christianity, along with thousands of his subjects.

St. Bede says that St Augustine was consecrated as Archbishop of Britain by Archbishop Etherius of Arles (others say that it was his successor St Virgilius of Arles who consecrated St Augustine). Returning to Britain, he committed himself to the work of evangelizing the country with renewed zeal.

St Augustine built a church dedicated to Christ the Saviour, the predecessor of the present cathedral at Canterbury, consecrated on June 9, 603 (according to the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle). He also founded the monastery of Sts Peter and Paul east of the city. Here St Augustine, the Archbishops of Canterbury, and the Kings of Kent were buried. The monastery, now in ruins, was later known as St Augustine's Monastery.

The saint was instrumental in founding the dioceses of Rochester and London. In 604 he consecrated St Justus and St Mellitus as bishops for those Sees. St Augustine also helped the king draft the earliest Anglo-Saxon laws, and founded a school in Canterbury.

Known in his lifetime as a wonderworker, St Augustine fell asleep in the Lord on May 26, 604. He was laid to rest at the entrance of the unfinished church of Sts Peter and Paul. When the church was dedicated in 613, his holy relics were placed inside. An epitaph was composed for his tomb. In part, it reads: ‘Here lies the Lord Augustine, first Archbishop of Canterbury, sent here by blessed Gregory, bishop of the city of Rome, who with the help of God, and aided by miracles, guided King Ethelbert and his people from the worship of idols to the Faith of Christ.

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He, he, ST. AUGUSTINE NOW!


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As a boy.
Ha, ha, note the red hair.


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In Germany, the change is even more stark - they started off with "bushy headed" Black Saints.

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Saint Ansgar

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Saint Ansgar (Anskar, Anschar, Anscharius, Scharies) of Germany and Evangelist of Scandinavian lands (died 865)

Born near Amiens, Picardy, France in 801, died in Bremen, Germany on February 3, 865.

With the coming of the barbarians after the death of Charlemagne, darkness fell upon Europe. From the forests and the fjords of the north, defying storm and danger, came a horde of pirate invaders, prowling round the undefended coasts, sweeping up the broad estuaries, and spreading havoc and fear. No town, however fair, no church, however sacred, and no community, however strong, was immune from their fury. Like a river of death the Vikings poured across Europe.

It's hard to believe that there would be an outbreak of missionary activity at such a time, but in Europe's darkest hour there were those who never faltered, and who set out to convert the pagan invader. St.Ansgar was such a man. As a young boy of a noble family he was received at Corbie monastery in Picardy and educated under Saint Abelard and Paschasius Radbert. Once professed, he was transferred to New Corbie at Westphalia. He once said to a friend, " One miracle I would, if worthy, ask the Lord to grant me, and that is, that by his grace, he would make me a good man."

In France a call was made for a priest to go as a missionary to the Danes, and Ansgar, a young monk, volunteered. His friends tried to dissuade him, so dangerous was the mission. Nevertheless, when King Harold, who had become a Christian during his exile, returned to Denmark, Ansgar and another monk accompanied him. Equipped with tents and books, these two monks set out in 826 and founded a school in Denmark. Here Ansgar's companion died, and Ansgar was obliged to move on to Sweden alone when his success in missionary work led King Bjørn to invite him to Sweden.

On the way his boat was attacked by pirates and he lost all his possessions, arriving destitute at a small Swedish village. After this unpromising start, he succeeded forming the nucleus of a church -- the first Christian church in Sweden -- and penetrated inland, confronting the heathen in their strongholds and converting the pagan chiefs.

Ansgar became the first archbishop of Hamburg, Germany and abbot of New Corbie in Westphalia c. 831. The Pope Gregory IV appointed him legate to the Scandinavian countries and confides the Scandinavian souls to his care. He evangelized there for the next 14 years, building churches in Norway, Denmark and northern Germany.

He saw his accomplishments obliterated when pagan Vikings invaded in 845, overran Scandinavia, and destroyed Hamburg. Thereafter the natives reverted to paganism. Ansgar was then appointed archbishop of Bremen around 848, but he was unable to establish himself there for a time and Pope Nicholas 1 united that See with Hamburg. Nicholas also gave him jurisdiction over Denmark, Norway, and Sweden.

Ansgar returned to Denmark and Sweden in 854 to resume spreading the Gospel. When he returned to Denmark he saw the church and school he had built there, destroyed before his eyes by an invading army.

His heart almost broke as he saw his work reduced to ashes" The Lord gave," he said, "and the Lord have taken away. Blessed be the name of the Lord." With a handful of followers he wandered through his ruined diocese, but it was a grim and weary time. "Be assured my dear brother, " said the primate of France, who had commissioned him to this task, "that what we have striven to accomplish for the glory of Christ will yet, by God's help, bring forth fruit."

Heartened by these words, and with unfailing courage, Ansgar pursued his Swedish mission. Though he had but four churches left and could find no one willing to go in his place, he established new outposts and consolidated his work.

King Olaf had cast a die to decide whether to allow entrance of Christians, an action that Ansgar mourned as callous and unbefitting. He was encouraged, however, by a council of chiefs at which an aged man spoke in his defense. "Those who bring to us this new faith," he said" by their voyage here have been exposed to many dangers. We see our own deities failing us. Why reject a religion thus brought to our very doors? Why not permit the servants of God to remain among us? Listen to my council and reject not what is plainly for our advantage."

As a result, Ansgar was free to preach the Christian faith, and though he met with many setbacks, he continued his work until he died at the age of 64 and was buried at Bremen. He was a great missionary, an indefatigable, outstanding preacher, renowned for his austerity, holiness of life, and charity to the poor. He built schools and was a great liberator of slaves captured by the Vikings. He converted King Erik of Jutland and was called the "Apostle of the North", yet Sweden reverted completely to paganism shortly after Ansgar's death.

Ansgar often wore a hair shirt, lived on bread and water when his health permitted it, and added short personal prayers to each Psalm in his Psalter, thus contributing to a form of devotion that soon became widespread.

Miracles were said to have been worked by him. After Ansgar's death, the work he had begun came to a stop and the area reverted to paganism. Christianity did not begin to make headway in Scandinavia until two centuries later with the work of Saint Sigfried and others. A life story was written about Ansgar by his fellow missionary in Scandinavia, Saint Rembert (Attwater, Attwater2, Benedictines, Bentley, Coulson, Delaney, Encyclopedia, Fanner, Gill, Robinson, White)

In art Ansgar is shown with converted Danes with him, wearing a fur pelisse (Roeder). He may sometimes be shown otherwise in a boat with King Harold and companions or in a cape and miter Hamburg Cathedral (Roeder).

Saint Ansgar is the patron of Denmark, Germany and Iceland. He is venerated in Old Corbie (Picardy) and New Corbie (Saxony) as well as in Scandinavia (Roeder).


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Saint Ansgar was soon to become.


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quote:
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by the way, these are not negros
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Britain continued.

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Saint Deiniol (died 584) was the first Bishop of Bangor in the Kingdom of Gwynedd, Wales. He is also venerated in Brittany as Saint Denoual. In English, the name is translated as Daniel but this is rarely used.


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Saint Keby and Saint Seiriol

Seiriol was an early 6th century saint, who created a cell at Penmon Priory on Anglesey, off the coast of north Wales. He later moved to Ynys Seiriol (Puffin Island). He was a son of King Owain Danwyn of Rhos.

According to legend, he and Saint Cybi were good friends, and would meet weekly near Llanerchymedd, at the Clorach wells. Saint Cybi would walk from Holyhead, facing the rising sun in the morning and setting sun in the evening. Saint Cybi was known as Cybi Felyn (Cybi the Tanned), as he was tanned during his journey. Seiriol, travelling in the opposite direction, from Penmon, would have his back to the sun. Thus, he was known as Seiriol Wyn (Seiriol the Fair). Rhyd-y-Saint railway station (English: Ford of the Saints railway station) on the Red Wharf Bay branch line near Pentraeth, was named so as Seiriol and Cybi are said to have met there.

Seiriol was a younger brother of King Cynlas of Rhos and King Einion of Llŷn. His cell at Penmon is said to have been rebuilt by his brothers, as they didn't think his humble residence was good enough. St Seiriol's Well (Ffynnon Seiriol) lies in a small chamber adjoining its remains. Both are protected by Cadw, the publicly-funded body responsible for the historic monuments of Wales. Adjacent to them are the church and ruins of a monastery also dating back to Seiriol's day.

In his old age, Seiriol retired to Ynys Lannog which subsequently became known (in Welsh) as Ynys Seiriol. Later it would be known to the Vikings as Priestholm, and is known as Puffin Island in English since the 19th century.


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SAINT DAVID (died 601) was born in the sixth century in Wales. As a young man he became a monk and studied for many years as a priest. According to one tradition he was consecrated Bishop by the Patriarch of Jerusalem, when David went on pilgrimage there. He worked extensively to spread Christianity in Wales, especially in south-west Wales in what is now Pembrokeshire. Here he founded a monastery at Mynyw (Menevia), now St David's, and he is honoured as the first Bishop of St David’s.


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Saint Angus (Oengus, Aengus) of Keld,

Hermit, Abbot, Bishop (died 824)

To Aengus many ascribe the reform of Irish monasticism and its emergence as an ordered ascetic and scholastic movement. He is called the Culdee because this reform produced the groups of monks in Ireland and Scotland, who were really anchorites but lived together in one place, usually thirteen in number after the example of Christ and His Apostles. The name Culdee probably comes from the Irish Ceile Dee (companion) rather than the Latin Cultores Dei (worshippers of God).

The Culdees produced the highly decorated High Crosses and elaborately illuminated manuscripts which are the glory of the Irish monasteries.

Aengus was born of the royal house of Ulster and was sent to the monastery of Clonenagh by his father Oengoba to study under the saintly abbot Maelaithgen. He made great advances in scholarship and sanctity but eventually felt he had to leave and become a hermit to escape the adulation of his peers. He chose a spot some seven miles away for his hermitage which is still called Dysert.


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Saint Tysilio (died 640) was a Welsh bishop, prince and scholar, son of the reigning King of Powys, Brochwel Ysgithrog, maternal nephew of the great Abbot Dunod of Bangor Iscoed and an ecclesiastic who took a prominent part in the affairs of Wales during the distressful period at the opening of the 7th century.

Prince Tyslio (or Sulio) was the second son of Brochfael Ysgythrog (of the Tusks). He fled his father's court at an early age to throw himself on the mercy of Abbot Gwyddfarch of Caer-Meguaidd (Meifod) and beg to become a monk. A Powysian warband was sent to retrieve him, but King Brochfael was eventually persuaded that his son should be allowed to stay. Tysilio probably started his career in Trallwng Llywelyn (Welshpool) and afterwards took up residence in Meifod where he was associated with Gwyddvarch and St Beuno.

Fearful of further trouble from his family, however, Tysilio set up his base at a hermitage on Ynys Tyslio (Church Island) in the Menai Straits and became a great evangeliser on Ynys Mon (Anglesey). He spent seven years there before returning to Caer-Meguaidd (Meifod) and succeeding as Abbot. Tyslio rebuilt the Abbey Church and things were peaceful for a while. He founded the second church in Meifod - the Eglwys Tysilio. His feast day, or gwyl-mabsant, was the 8th November which was also the date of the patronal festival and "wakes" in the nearby parish of Guilsfield, where a holy well was dedicated to him - the Fons Tysilio.


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Saint Dyfrig, Archbishop of Caerleon, Wales (died 545)

Saint Dubricius, Bishop (Dubritius, Dubric, Dyfig, Dyfrig, Devereux)

He was born at Moccas (Moch Rhos = Pig's Heath), near Hereford; died c.545. Some old genealogies show Dyfrig as the great-great-grandson of Macsen Wledig and Elen of the Ways.

Saint Dyfrig was an important church leader, a monk, in southeast Wales and western Herefordshire. His earliest foundation was Ariconium (Archenfield, Hereford), but his most important centres were at Hentland (Henllan) and Moccas in the Wye valley. Dyfrig attracted numerous disciples to the two monasteries, and from them founded many other monasteries and churches.

He was associated with Saint Illtyd (f.d. November 6) and, according to the 7th-century "vita" of Saint Samson, with the island of Caldey for whose monastery he appointed Saint Samson (July 28) abbot. Later he consecrated Samson bishop. An ancient, but incomplete, inscription at Caldey reads "Magl Dubr" ("the tonsured servant of Dubricius").


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Saint Birinus (c. 600–649), venerated as a saint, was the first Bishop of Dorchester, and the "Apostle to the West Saxons".

After St. Augustine of Canterbury performed initial conversions in England, Birinus, a Frank, came to the kingdoms of Wessex in 634, landing at the port of "Hamwic", now in the St. Mary's area of Southampton. During Birinus's brief time at Hamwic, St. Mary's Church was founded.

Birinus had been made bishop by Asterius in Genoa, and Pope Honorius I created the commission to convert the West Saxons. In 635, he persuaded the West Saxon king Cynegils to allow him to preach. Cynegils was trying to create an alliance with Oswald of Northumbria, with whom he intended to fight the Mercians. At the final talks between kings, the sticking point was that Oswald, being a Christian, would not ally himself with a heathen. Cynegils then converted and was baptized, and he gave Birinus Dorchester-on-Thames for his episcopal see. Birinus's original commission entailed preaching to parts of Britain where no missionary efforts had reached, and may have included instructions to reach the Mercians, but in the end Birinus stayed in the West Saxon kingdom, or Wessex as it became known.


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St. Walburga (d. 779)

was born in England of a family of the local
aristocracy. At an early age, she was entrusted to the care of the Benedictine nuns in Wimbourne (present-day Dorset) where she eventually made monastic profession. When her relative St. Boniface, a missionary monk and bishop who worked for the evangelization of Germany, asked for help from other Anglo-Saxon monasteries, St. Walburga became part of a group of nuns from Wimbourne who answered the missionary call. Eventually she became abbess of the monastery at Heidenheim, a double monastery of men and women founded by her brother St. Wunibald, who served as its first abbot. The tenth-cetury legend of her life tells stories of her gentleness, humility and charity, as well as her power to heal the sick through prayer.
This statue by Dee Toscano stands near the entrance to the monastery to welcome our guests. It was a gift of George and Placide Shriever.

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As in Britain, the Whitenization of Christianity also took place in the Mediterranean.

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Saint Tikhon the Bishop of Amathus in Cyprus

Saint Tikhon, Bishop of Amathus, was born in the city Amathus on the island of Cyprus. His parents raised their son in Christian piety, and taught him the reading of sacred books. It is said that the gift of wonderworking appeared in St Tikhon at quite a young age.

His father was the owner of a bakery, and whenever he left his son alone in the shop, the holy youth would give free bread to those in need. Learning of this, his father became angry, but the son said that he had read in the Scriptures, that in giving to God one receives back a hundredfold. "I," said the youth, "gave to God the bread which was taken," and he persuaded his father to go to the place where the grain was stored. With astonishment the father saw that the granary, which formerly was empty, was now filled to overflowing with wheat. From that time the father did not hinder his son from distributing bread to the poor.


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Hieromartyr Pancratius the Bishop of Taormina in Sicily

The Hieromartyr Pancratius, Bishop of Taormina, was born when our Lord Jesus Christ yet lived upon the earth.

The parents of Pancratius were natives of Antioch. Hearing the good news of Jesus Christ, Pancratius' father took his young son with him and went to Jerusalem in order to see the great Teacher for himself. The miracles astonished him, and when he heard the divine teaching, he then believed in Christ as the Son of God. He became close with the disciples of the Lord, especially with the holy Apostle Peter. It was during this period that young Pancratius got to know the holy Apostle Peter.

After the Ascension of the Savior, one of the Apostles came to Antioch and baptized the parents of Pancratius together with all their household. When the parents of Pancratius died, he left behind his inherited possessions and went to Pontus and began to live in a cave, spendng his days in prayer and deep spiritual contemplation. The holy Apostle Peter, while passing through those parts, visited Pancratius at Pontus. He took him along to Antioch, and then to Sicily, where the holy Apostle Paul then was. There the holy Apostles Peter and Paul made St Pancratius Bishop of Taormina in Sicily.


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Saint Theodore Stratelates

The Holy Great Martyr Theodore Stratelates suffered for Christ in Heraklea on February 8, 319. At the time of his sufferings the holy Great Martyr Theodore ordered his servant Varus to bury his body on the estate of his parents in Euchaita. The transfer of the relics of the Great Martyr Theodore took place on June 8, 319.

On this day we also recall a miracle of the icon of the Great Martyr Theodore in a church dedicated to him at a place called Karsat, near Damascus. A group of Saracens had turned this church into their residence. There was a fresco on the wall depicting Theodore. One of the Saracens shot an arrow into the icon of the Great Martyr. From the saint's face, where the arrow had stuck into the wall, blood flowed before the eyes of everyone. A short while later, the Saracens who had settled in the church killed each other. Accounts of this miracle are given by the Anastasius of Mt. Sinai (April 20) and John of Damascus (December 4).



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Hieromartyr Charalampus the Bishop of Magnesia in Thessaly

The Hieromartyr Charalampus, Bishop of Magnesia, the Martyrs Porphyrius and Baptus and Three Women Martyrs suffered in the year 202.

St Charalampus, Bishop of Magnesia (Asia Minor), successfully spread faith in Christ the Savior, guiding people on the way to salvation. News of his preaching reached Lucian, the governor of the district, and the military commander Lucius. The saint was arrested and brought to trial, where he confessed his faith in Christ and refused to offer sacrifice to idols.

Despite the bishop's advanced age (he was 113 years old), he was subjected to monstrous tortures. They lacerated his body with iron hooks, and scraped all the skin from his body. During this the saint turned to his tormentors, "I thank you, brethren, that you have restored my spirit, which longs to pass over to a new and everlasting life!"



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Saint John Climacus (of the Ladder)

The Fourth Sunday of Lent is dedicated to St John of the Ladder (Climacus), the author of the work, The Ladder of Divine Ascent. The abbot of St Catherine's Monastery on Mount Sinai (6th century) stands as a witness to the violent effort needed for entrance into God's Kingdom (Mt.10: 12). The spiritual struggle of the Christian life is a real one, "not against flesh and blood, but against ... the rulers of the present darkness ... the hosts of wickedness in heavenly places ..." (Eph 6:12). Saint John encourages the faithful in their efforts for, according to the Lord, only "he who endures to the end will be saved"

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There was a theory that European 'black Madonna' figures were remnants of an Isis cult. There is one snag in this theory...

http://www.dramabutton.com/


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Looks like Isis was suffering from Albinism! Poor dear!

Similarly afflicted were the Virgin Mary and the baby Jesus according to the earliest Nubain Christians!

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Would someone who takes this stuff literally like to explain what these Africans were doing worshiping albinos? LMAAO.

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Following the conversion of the Nubian kingdoms to Christianity in the sixth century, Greek replaced Meroitic as the primary written language. Greek was evidently the legal language of Old Dongola; 2 administrative and church documents discovered in the town were largely Greek. Although Coptic and Arabic were used throughout the kingdoms, Greek was more dominant in Old Dongola and Alwa than in the area of Nobadia in northern Nubia. Also, it is worth mentioning that Greek was widespread among the Nubians centuries before the arrival of Christianity in the sixth century.

Archeological excavations indicate a widespread use of Greek and Coptic in Nubia since the fourth and fifth centuries, if not before.3 Large numbers of documents and text fragments concerning a wide range of subject matters including royal commemorations and diplomatic correspondences have been uncovered from pre-Christian sites.4 Hence, the dominance of Hellenistic cultural features in the Christian Nubian kingdoms, including the adoption of Greek as a primary language, did not begin in the sixth century. Nonetheless, Christianity did play a major role in solidifying the base of the Roman (Byzantine) culture in Nubia and in establishing Greek as the primary language in the region.

http://www.ancientsudan.org/writing_03_old_nubian_&_arabic.htm

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^^^Obviously medieval Europe was founded by Nubians
The Nubians mixed with Central Asian white people and produced
the Egyptians and all these high reddish type mulattoes:

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Have you ever seen the Dance of David?lol

Tell, what does the Qumran tell about Moshe, how do the Copts of Egypt describe Moshe?

Yemeni Jews.

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My concern here is that the ancient Hebrews, early Shem-mitcs/ Semetic were a branch of people much like, or close to Ethiopians. All descendants of ancient tribes carry the E* marker to some degree (referring at locations in the Middle East) And even those of more recent times.


Anyway, Hebrews as they were during ancient days; Flavius Josephus describes a man like them, referring at the individual Jesus/ Joshua Ben Pantera as. Short, dark skinned, with curly/ frizzy hair. And underdeveloped beard. So where does that other image comes from?

The Qumran in Israel speaks of Moshe in similair way. The oral tradition of the Copts says the same.

Here are Semetic people of the Middle East, as they were during ancient days, many thousands of years ago. So I rebel against the false image created.


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By Bonnie Oswald, BFA, MA

Israel, living in wickedness and idolatry, was warned by prophets Elijah, Elisha, and Hosea, to repent or face conquest. Prophets and Kings from Judah offered help, and invited them to return to the temple in Jerusalem. These offers they scorned, becoming ripe for destruction.

The Assyrians viciously brought that destruction
Reconstruction of Nineveh

As we read in the Old Testament of the Assyrians conquering Israel and much of Judah, it is easy to visualize these people as they were pictured at the time in the palaces of the Assyrians. Nineveh is a rich trove of art showing the Assyrian kings and captives majestically portrayed in magnificent bas reliefs. Assyrian art is instantly recognizable because of the pictures of raw strength. Everyone is shown heavily muscled, even the animals.

"King Assurbanipal decked out for the hunts. British Museum.

Assyrian God from Nineveh wall relief.
Note the muscular legs in this figure,
typical of Assyrian Art.

Boston Museum of Fine Arts."

Captives were treated particularly harshly. The Geneva Convention was not in the thought process of the Assyrians, who believed in spreading fear among the surrounding enemies.

By about 900 BC, Assyria was becoming a fierce war machine, dominating the Near East for 300 years until they were conquered by the Babylonians. Centuries of warfare — as the predominant aspect of their culture — hardened them into a brutal people.

In the temples and palaces, rich with militaristic art, there are no happy scenes of banquets, dancing, feasting, or happy family scenes. All Assyrian art is centered on power.

Tilgath Pileser (also known in the Old Testament as Pul) reigned from 745-727 BC. He warred against Syria and advanced along the Mediterranean, subjugating Phoenicia and Gaza. He conquered Israel in 721 BC, removing the Israelites, and advanced on Judah. Palace art shows captives and vassals paying tribute to the kings.

Tilgath Pileser (Pul), shown in court in his palace, from
an artist's reconstruction from a bas relief. 8th C. BC, Louvre

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Kings’ sport was shooting lions while riding in chariots. Dying lions and lion hunts figure prominently in palace art. While people were depicted with little emotion, animals were shown with great sensitivity, as we see in this excellent relief of a dying lioness.

Dying Lioness, limestone, 650 BC, British Museum

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Someday, when we get the scriptures from the Ten Tribes, it will be interesting to hear the stories associated with the hardships they suffered under the Assyrians.

Israelite prisoners being marched out of Israel by Assyrian soldiers.

Note dead Israelites at left. From Bas Relief at Nineveh.

(Ancient Hebrews, exactly how "jesus" was discribed by Flavius Josphef.)

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After the defeat of Israel, the Assyrians advanced on Judah, moving south, and conquering as they went. Watch fires were set that could be seen from one city to another, so the next city in line could see what was the state of the battle.


After the defeat of Israel, the Assyrians advanced on Judah, moving south, and conquering as they went. Watch fires were set that could be seen from one city to another, so the next city in line could see what was the state of the battle.

One of the most poignant archaeological finds related to this period is an ostracon from Lachish. Ostracon were broken pieces of fired clay or pottery. Relatively indestructible, they were used as message pads.

The Lachish Ostracon #4, found in the ruins of Lachish, ends a long message with the sad words, "and let my Lord know that we are watching for the signal fires of Lachish... for we cannot see Azekiah." Azekiah had been defeated, Lachish was next, and the giant Assyrian siege ramp is still visible. The message was never sent.

Ostracon #4 from Lachish.

After defeating Lachish, the Assyrians moved on Jerusalem in 701 BC, and laid siege to the city. They were smitten by a plague (probably bubonic) and woke up all "dead corpses." (2 Kings 18, 19.) The king, Sennacherib, returned to Assyrian, abandoning Jerusalem, where he was assassinated by two of his sons while worshiping in the Assyrian temple.

Assyrians transplanted conquered peoples to other areas in their large kingdom, rendering them relatively helpless and disoriented. Their leadership was destroyed, and they were in unfamiliar areas, under guard. Other captive peoples were moved into their vacated lands. Some original Israelites were undoubtedly still in the area of Israel, having evaded capture. Mixed with the newly transplanted people brought by the Assyrians, they intermarried and mixed religious beliefs, absorbing elements of both.

When Judah was allowed to return under the Persians they scorned these people with their false religious practices, as they were despised at the time of Christ. They became known as the Samaritans.

Source: Meridian Magazine

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^^^Obviously medieval Europe was founded by Nubians
The Nubians mixed with Central Asian white people and produced
the Egyptians and all these high reddish type mulattoes:

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Btw, tarnos is a liar. Yes you are a liar, tarnos!
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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:

The Nubians mixed with Central Asian white people and produced
the Egyptians and all these high reddish type mulattoes:

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Erm no. Lol. And those statuettes look like black people. Youre gonna need to do better than that if you want your mulatto Egypt.
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quote:
Originally posted by rahotep101:
There was a theory that European 'black Madonna' figures were remnants of an Isis cult. There is one snag in this theory...

http://www.dramabutton.com/


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Looks like Isis was suffering from Albinism! Poor dear!

Similarly afflicted were the Virgin Mary and the baby Jesus according to the earliest Nubain Christians!

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Would someone who takes this stuff literally like to explain what these Africans were doing worshiping albinos? LMAAO.

Your history and culture is wodan, witch craved, wicca and such. From the caves and the forest of Europe. Christianity spread due to the invasion of the Roman army into Europe. Leaving people only with two choices.

It was convert to the sola scriptura or die! So they added water to the wine. This is why there are still elements in European Christianity mixed up with original traditions. Santa Claws is one of them. Easter bunny is another one. And so on.....

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quote:
Originally posted by rahotep101:
There was a theory that European 'black Madonna' figures were remnants of an Isis cult.

No to say that it's true...But.
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Mike I believe it is true other Kemetic religious concepts did found into Europe and displayed prominently within religious and secular institutions
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This one being topped off by a cross in the Vatican.
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quote: Originally posted by rahotep101: There was a theory that European 'black Madonna' figures were remnants of an Isis cult. No to say that it's true...But.

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No accident no mistaking imagery that can be called into question it is what it is.

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You loose sir.

Why are they white? Even Jesus red-blonde haired?

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According to legends, it was created by Luke the Evangelist, the first iconographer, in Jerusalem between 66 and 67 AD in the cenacle – that is, the room in which the Last Supper took place. About 300 years later, Helena of Constantinople (the emperor's consort) took the icon to Constantinople, where it stayed for five centuries in the emperors' chapel. Then it was transported via Bulgaria, Moravia and Bohemia to the Ruthenian Kingdom of Galicia-Volhynia (the Polish-Ukrainian borderland). That country was successively a part of the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland and of Hungary and was also temporarily occupied by Turkic Tatars. Then, finally, after centuries of wandering, in 1382 the icon ended up in Częstochowa Monastery in Poland.
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http://www.europeandme.eu/8heart/455-the-black-madonna


Now cassis how old is your imagery according to science or legend.
And "Ahem" why would Euros even have a black Madonna and Child even if the original were white, what!! did we have a bunch o Afrocentrist running around Europe in the middle ages??... [Big Grin]

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^ That doesn't predate the Madonna and child i showed, from the Book of Kells.

The photo you have shown is here -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Madonna_of_Cz%C4%99stochowa

- It only can be dated to the 14th century AD.

As i said the earliest art from europe depicting mary and jesus is the book of kells -

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Mary and Jesus are both white. Jesus even has blonde hair.

Nothing black about them.

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quote:
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^ That doesn't predate the Madonna and child i showed, from the Book of Kells.

The photo you have shown is here -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Madonna_of_Cz%C4%99stochowa

- It only can be dated to the 14th century AD.

As i said the earliest art from europe depicting mary and jesus is the book of kells -

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Mary and Jesus are both white. Jesus even has blonde hair.

Nothing black about them.

I keep warning you all that cassiterides and Lioness are degenerate liars. Yet you still answer them?

The book of Kells has only to do with the Germanics in northern Britain - you remember, the "RED-HEADED" ALBINOS.

Relating to your Black Mary and child.
From his Wiki link:

The origins of the icon and the date of its composition are still hotly contested among scholars. The difficulty in dating the icon stems from the fact that the original image was painted over, after being badly damaged by Hussite raiders in 1430. Medieval restorers unfamiliar with the encaustic method found that the paints they applied to the damaged areas "simply sloughed off the image" according to the medieval chronicler Risinius, and their solution was to erase the original image and to repaint it on the original panel, which was believed to be holy because of its legendary origin as a table top from the home of the Holy Family.

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Stop lying it reached Poland in the 14th century.And when was the book of Kells published?
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Mary and Jesus are both blacks. Jesus even have lil black Afro.
Nothing White about them

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^ Paranoia... [Big Grin]

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^Lioness and cassiterides are disturbed individuals, the only way to get rid of them, is to ignore they. Ya, they'll come back with new names, but at least they will have to do that.
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And when was the book of Kells published?
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700 AD.

700 years before what you & mike pasted.

As i said - you both lost.

The earliest madonna and child in europe is of a white woman. Jesus is even a blonde. Your worst nightmare. Jesus and mary both depicted as pale white and fair haired.

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quote:
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And when was the book of Kells published?
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700 AD.

700 years before what you & mike pasted.

As i said - you both lost.

The earliest madonna and child in europe is of a white woman. Jesus is even a blonde. Your worst nightmare. Jesus and mary both depicted as pale white and fair haired.

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According to legends, it was created by Luke the Evangelist, the first iconographer, in Jerusalem between 66 and 67 AD in the cenacle – that is, the room in which the Last Supper took place.

Now 700 AD vs 66 or 67 AD !!!
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Just as a logical demonstration of just how brain-dead cassiterides and the other Albinos are.

Christianity began at about 25 A.D.

Britain was the LAST place to get Christianity.

Yet this degenerate FOOL, wants to claim that Britain (Book of Kells - 800 A.D.) has the FIRST icon of Mary and the Child.

Damn these Albinos are stupid.

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brada was Medieval Europe primarily black or white?

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White.
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Mural painting from the catacomb of Commodilla. One of the first bearded images of Jesus, late 4th century


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Catacombs of Priscilla. One of the earliest Christian paintings.
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Baptism of Christ, fragment from the Catacombs of Marcellinus and Peter, c. 330

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^^^^ explain these paintings, they are far before medieval Europe.
I said explain these particular paintings above not post other paintings.

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Britain was the LAST place to get Christianity.
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Actually it was the first place.

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The First Epistle of Clement notes that Paul traveled to the utmost parts of the west (3: 10–15) - meaning Britain and Spain.

The first four Church councils (Council of Pisa 1409, Council of Constance 1414, Council of Siena 1423 and Council of Basle 1431), all agreed:

''... the Churches of France and Spain must yield in points of antiquity and precedence to that of Britain as the latter Church was founded by Joseph of Arimathea immediately after the passion of Christ''

In circa 200 A.D., Tertullian mentions that "the extremities of Spain, the various parts of Gaul, the regions of Britain which have never been penetrated by the Roman armies, have received the religion of Christ''.

Eusebius, bishop of Caesarea in the early 300s, records that "the apostles passed beyond the ocean to the Isles called the British Isles" (Demonstratio Evangelica, Bk. 3, chap. 5).

Eusebius had access to a substantial library at Caesarea, which contained sources that have since been lost.

Theodoret, bishop of Cyprus in Syria (circa 430ad) states that "Paul, liberated from his first captivity at Rome, preached the Gospel to the Britons and others in the West… and the Cymry [the Welsh]" (D. Civ. Gracae Off., Bk. 9).

Around 300ad, Dorotheous, bishop of Tyre, stated that "Aristobulus, whom Paul saluted [Romans 16:10] was bishop of Britain" and that Simon Zelotes also came to Britain (Synopsis de Apostol., Synops. 9, 23). G

Gildas says that the coming of Christianity to Britain "happened first, as we know, in the last years of the emperor Tiberius [14–37ad]" (The Ruin of Britain, p. 18).

This means that Christianity arrived in Britain no later than 37ad—less than a decade after Christ's crucifixion.

James Ussher, Archbishop of Ireland and one of the greatest scholars of the 17th century, presented considerable evidence that James, Simon Zelotes, Simon Peter, the Apostle Paul and others brought Christianity to Europe's western isles in the first century (The Whole Works of James Ussher, vol. 5, chap. 1, Erlington). Robert Parsons, an English Jesuit and Oxford scholar, asserted in his 17th century work The Three Conversions of England that the apostles first brought Christianity to the island, and that "the Christian religion began in Britain within fifty years of Christ's Ascension" (p. 14

Nikephoros I of Constantinople also wrote in the early 9th century AD that:

''Simon... the same doctrine he taught to the Occidental Sea, and the Isles called Britanniae''

Caesar Baronius dated Simon's visit to Britain in 44 AD.

Aristobulus of Britannia arrived in Britain around 60 AD and an ancient epitaph of his name was unearthed in Dorchester, England.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lost_Chapter_of_the_Acts_of_the_Apostles

The Lost Chapter of the Acts of the Apostles, also known as the Sonnini Manuscript, is a short text purporting to be the translation of a manuscript containing the 29th chapter of the Acts of the Apostles, detailing St. Paul's journey to Britain.

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quote:
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White.

Mike brada says Medieval Europe was primarily white do you agree or disagree?

If you can't answer this simple question directly we will have to assume you are playing games


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As usual in your threads you make no claim. You don't come and say medieval Europe was black .
Instead as typical of your threads you try to imply it with a question and then a selection of cherry picked images.
It's a very weak way of going about things.
Then you put in bold print and capital provocative side comments, all this to avoid making a thesis statement.
stop it Mike we've had enough, enough dancing. be direct or get out.

thank you,

Lioness productions 2011

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The first one looked white kinda the others nondescript not enough detail either way.
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At best the first kinda look like B.Real from Cypress Hill and stop trying to get me and Mike to fight.

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^ The Jesus painting has golden-red hair and white skin.

Negroids are not pale skinned with strawberry-blonde hair.

Just pointing out the obvious.

Btw, i would also point out according to Ironlion and mike111 only white people or albinos are ''hairy'', therefore it's pretty retarded to claim the most bearded pic of Jesus is black. You guys contradict yourself in virtually every post:

*Afrocentrics can not agree with what ''black'' or ''negro'' is.
*Afrocentrics can not agree with what their own race looks like (according to Marc washington for example white woman are black).

etc.

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Black Men don't grow beards now?  -

not only has Confirmed Eediatbwoy leggo ina your eyes one too many times, apparently you've swallowed one too many times too...cah it's gone to your brain....although that's been evident for a good while now...


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Virgin and Child - Wall painting from the Roman catacombs (early Christian catacomb).

Date: Fourth century

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Cassis
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Afrocentrics can not agree with what ''black'' or ''negro'' is.
" Ahem" most of us now what a black is, a "Negro"??? ur right no one can describe one in a scientific term not rooted in 18 century anthropology pseudo science or eyeballing but many can tell you what a biological African is.
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quote:
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
.....and stop trying to get me and Mike to fight.

seet deh...smh [Roll Eyes]


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Hi T&R.. [Smile]
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Just seeing this for the first time now. Luv it jus' luvvet!!!

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No accident no mistaking imagery that can be called into question it is what it is.


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Yes the black madonnna is a continuation of Isis worship, but over and above all it is a symbol of the blackness of the universe as the womb of creation. Many of the black deities around the world have the same symbolism including those from Ancient Egypt. Black skin=creation=infinite unseen creative force of god in universe. Just like white=light=sun=the physical symbol of gods infinite beneficial presence in creation. Duality.

Mary/Isis=veil of creation=mystery of creation=fertile universe that births gods seed =physical manifestation of gods hidden infinite creative force=mother nature Horus/Jesus=sun=son=gods seed in flesh=birth of physical universe from unseen force in nature

But that symbolic aspect was subsumed later by a more sinister political/social aspect. In this form, the white jesus and mary (which is not a phenotype that would have been predominant in Nazareth at that time anyway) are simply a form of idealized man/woman, and the holy family an archetype of the royal family where divine rule was the basis of the rule of kings. And from this came the conquests of later years where the same iconography was used to push the European phenotype and bloodline as the basis for colonial dominion over all others.

So given all of that it is extremely interesting to see that Europe still has the vestiges and legacy of the old icons showing the historical basis of the image of Mary and Jesus being based on the earlier Egyptian form.

I have said this many times, but man makes god in his own image. And this is true in every culture no matter what, even though some do use animals and mythical creatures at times.

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