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What is the reason for doubting the following when you don't have answers to black peoples' suffering?
"When all these blessings and curses I have set before you come on you and you take them to heart wherever the LORD your God disperses you among the nations, and when you and your children return to the LORD your God and obey him with all your heart and with all your soul according to everything I command you today, then the LORD your God will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you and gather you again from all the nations where he scattered you. Even if you have been banished to the most distant land under the heavens, from there the LORD your God will gather you and bring you back. He will bring you to the land that belonged to your ancestors, and you will take possession of it. He will make you more prosperous and numerous than your ancestors."
Deuteronomy 30:1-5
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quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: Curse of Ham is why Blacks suffer (assuming you believe in the Bible0.
Obviously you are a novice to the Bible.
Supposing we go by what you claim about Ham. Can you explain why Ham's other children were not affected by the curse? How come ancient Egypt (Mizraim) became so glorious? Was Mizraim (Egypt) not a son of Ham? How come he wasn't affect by what you claim?
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Lets be wise folks. Talking about or trying to relate to ancient Egypt 24/7 365 days is not where our salvation lies.
Our salvation lies in accepting the truth. Most black people in America and the Caribbean with slave ancestry were taken from a people in West Africa called the Erverh. That is the name of the people of the former Slave Coast in West Africa.
Furthermore, the name Erverh, is the PROPER name of the ancient Israelites. It is this name Erverh that was translated into English as Hebrew.
Please lets embrace who we are. That is the only HOPE for our salvation as Erverh people aka the Hebrews.
Blacks can call whites, crackers and honkies and other vile names but if a white calls a black the 'n' word they get demonised and even can get a jail sentence for inciting racial hatred.
Blacks have so much power of whites in every area of society - black schools and university ''negro colleges'' can exist, yet if a white person wants to start a 'white school' it is racist and unacceptable. Blacks in London have their own newspapers ''the black times'', yet can you imagine a ''white times''? would be racist, not allowed.
So how are blacks suffering exactly when they have more rights and privelages than whites?
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Please lets embrace who we are. That is the only HOPE for our salvation as Erverh people aka the Hebrews. =====
Blacks fufill ZERO Biblical prophecies therefore if you are a Bible believer you cannot believe blacks are Israel.
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Unfortunately, black people have suffered because they were too kind hearted to groups which meant them harm. Black people should have combined their own technology with Asian and European technology to defend themselves against invasion upon their own land. Many black people stagnated because they were both too accepting of outsiders, while failing to adapt with change. When you have no strong military unit you get crushed by predatory groups.
Religion is fine but it does not explain everything concerning black people.
Does anybody here disagree with me?
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@ ausar. Are you suggesting our suffering and dispersal around the world has nothing to do with the Biblical prophecy to the Erverh (Hebrew) people even though matters has transpired exactly as the prophecy predicted?
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I don't know enough about biblical prophecy but I do know about technology and the kind hearted nature of most African groups lead to their demise. Most Africans foolishly befriended European groups that only wanted their resources. The Japanese and Chinese groups never allowed many Europeans into their kindoms and you see today they still control much of their own resources.
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quote:Originally posted by ausar: I don't know enough about biblical prophecy but I do know about technology and the kind hearted nature of most African groups lead to their demise. Most Africans foolishly befriended European groups that only wanted their resources. The Japanese and Chinese groups never allowed many Europeans into their kindoms and you see today they still control much of their own resources.
This is mythology, we took into our house and fed them dinner then they kicked us out the front door. And it happened over and over again. What about Shaka Zulu? He put up an admirable fight. The reality is that the Europeans had guns
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OP the law of the curse you cite cannot pertain to Blacks seeing as the state of Israel could not exist if the curse was active. But we know that the state of Israel exists today, therefor, that curse is innactive.
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The curse of Ham fell upon one son (Canaan), not all sons of Ham. And while the Negro has no direct line to any of the sons of Ham (the Bible does not include the geneology of homosapien sapien outside Middle-East, Asia Minor, North and East Africa, and Southern Europe), but because he is a native to Africa (land of Ham), thus, the curse extends to him in modern times.
quote:Originally posted by Energy:
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: Curse of Ham is why Blacks suffer (assuming you believe in the Bible0.
Obviously you are a novice to the Bible.
Supposing we go by what you claim about Ham. Can you explain why Ham's other children were not affected by the curse? How come ancient Egypt (Mizraim) became so glorious? Was Mizraim (Egypt) not a son of Ham? How come he wasn't affect by what you claim?
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When Europeans first Europeans first came into Africa their guns were not really sufficent for conquest of the entire continent. Europeans did not truly conquer Africa until the advent of the Maxim gun. The fact that Europeans fell dead of malaria and other tropical dieases did not help their case either. Modern medicine also was on the side of Europeans as well. What happened was Europeans befriended the stronger kingdoms of different parts of African and gradually turned on them. Many weaker kingdoms were simply vassals to the stronger kingdoms and once the stronger kingdoms fell all was fair game to Europeans. This along with Christianity was an organized death knell for Africans.
Even with the advent of rapid firing gun many Africans such as the Assante and Dahomey were still kicking major ass. Yes, guns did play some factor but they are greatly exagerated. Africans had the numbers to smash Europeans. Look up Queen Nzingha, Lat Dior and the Assante.
Another tactic of Europeans was using the children of unions between Europeans and African concubines to seize control of African territory. Sound familiar? Arabs also employed this tactic.
However, my intial point was most Africans were simply too kind hearted to Europeans. Africans did not know the type of people Europeans were. You can see this naivety amongst African kings like Esige of Benin and Mani Kongo Alfonso.
Yes, alot of Africans were warriors like Assante, Dahomey, Zulu and Angolans but most were not. Africans should have found some way to utilize firearms against Europeans but were very slow in adapting them. Coincidentally, the northern Africans were quick to adapt firearms.
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quote:Originally posted by ausar: I don't know enough about biblical prophecy but I do know about technology and the kind hearted nature of most African groups lead to their demise. Most Africans foolishly befriended European groups that only wanted their resources. The Japanese and Chinese groups never allowed many Europeans into their kindoms and you see today they still control much of their own resources.
This is mythology, we took into our house and fed them dinner then they kicked us out the front door. And it happened over and over again. What about Shaka Zulu? He put up an admirable fight. The reality is that the Europeans had guns
Lioness, Europeans did not conquer Africans with guns. Shaka the Zulu never fought any Europeans. Africa was taken over the way ausar said.
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quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: OP the law of the curse you cite cannot pertain to Blacks seeing as the state of Israel could not exist if the curse was active. But we know that the state of Israel exists today, therefor, that curse is innactive.
The people in Israel today are not Erverh (Hebrews). Surely you know that; don't you?
You will have point if the Erverh (Hebrews) occupy Israel today but the reality is, they don't. So you don't have a point. The Erverh (Hebrews) are STILL dispersed around the world even as we speak. Even the Europeans masquerading as Jews in the STATE of Israel acknowledge this fact.
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Shaka Zulu never fought any Europeans, energy? The British are not Europeans. Shaka and the Zulus lost because of the Maxim gun I mentioned. Despite the fact Africans had primitive military technology they were good strategists and many like the Zulu knew about battle formation. Unfortunately, nobody gives the Africans credit due to their present status.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: [QUOTE]The reality is that the Europeans had guns
So did Africans.
Not Sub-Saharan Africans (Blacks).
Look up the Battle of Rorke's Drift.
139 white British defeated 4,000 Zulus. The Zulus were armed with sticks and wooden spears, the British had rifles, armour and artillery.
Blacks never have invented superior technology, hence how Sub-sahara Africa was colonised so easily.
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When the curse is active, the state of Ysrael would CEASE to exist. Yet, the state of Ysrael exists today. Why is that? Explain to me how the state of Ysrael officially exists and is recognized by the world body?
quote:Originally posted by Energy:
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: OP the law of the curse you cite cannot pertain to Blacks seeing as the state of Israel could not exist if the curse was active. But we know that the state of Israel exists today, therefor, that curse is innactive.
The people in Israel today are not Erverh (Hebrews). Surely you know that; don't you?
You will have point if the Erverh (Hebrews) occupy Israel today but the reality is, they don't. So you don't have a point. The Erverh (Hebrews) are STILL dispersed around the world even as we speak. Even the Europeans masquerading as Jews in the STATE of Israel acknowledge this fact.
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: The curse of Ham fell upon one son (Canaan), not all sons of Ham. And while the Negro has no direct line to any of the sons of Ham (the Bible does not include the geneology of homosapien sapien outside Middle-East, Asia Minor, North and East Africa, and Southern Europe), but because he is a native to Africa (land of Ham), thus, the curse extends to him in modern times.
quote:Originally posted by Energy:
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: Curse of Ham is why Blacks suffer (assuming you believe in the Bible0.
Obviously you are a novice to the Bible.
Supposing we go by what you claim about Ham. Can you explain why Ham's other children were not affected by the curse? How come ancient Egypt (Mizraim) became so glorious? Was Mizraim (Egypt) not a son of Ham? How come he wasn't affect by what you claim?
Are you now saying Africans descended from Canaan? Africans are now Canaanites huh? LOL! What a joke? Canaanites settled in the Middle East and Asia. Non of Canaan's descendants settled in Africa.
This means if Ham's curse settled on Canaan as you claim, those suffering from it's effects would be in the Middle East and Asia and not Africans
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You will have point if the Erverh (Hebrews) occupy Israel today but the reality is, they don't. So you don't have a point. The Erverh (Hebrews) are STILL dispersed around the world even as we speak. Even the Europeans masquerading as Jews in the STATE of Israel acknowledge this fact.
So according to you black people are God's ''chosen people'' (as you identify them as Hebrews) but you claim all over the world they are suffering.
Really makes no sense whatsoever.
If blacks are God's chosen why are they suffering?
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I think you should re-read my post. I never said anything that remotely suggests what you are claiming on me. The Negro of the diaspora is not a part of the Bible's table of nations. However, he shares the land of inheritance of Ham and, thus, by extension also shares his fortune and the fortune of his posterity.
The law of the curse you cite had already been fulfilled when Ysrael had "hewers of wood and drawers of water" from neighboring nations, including Palestinians (Canaanites). What's more, in modern times, servitude imposed on an entire population persists today, which means the curse is active. So, it does not take a rocket scientists to correlate what happened to the Negro and historic Palestinians. One must conclude that the curse extends to Blacks too. And as I explained to you earlier, the curse you cite cannot pertain to Blacks because the state of Ysrael exists today.
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quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: The curse of Ham fell upon one son (Canaan), not all sons of Ham. And while the Negro has no direct line to any of the sons of Ham (the Bible does not include the geneology of homosapien sapien outside Middle-East, Asia Minor, North and East Africa, and Southern Europe), but because he is a native to Africa (land of Ham), thus, the curse extends to him in modern times.
quote:Originally posted by Energy:
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: Curse of Ham is why Blacks suffer (assuming you believe in the Bible0.
Obviously you are a novice to the Bible.
Supposing we go by what you claim about Ham. Can you explain why Ham's other children were not affected by the curse? How come ancient Egypt (Mizraim) became so glorious? Was Mizraim (Egypt) not a son of Ham? How come he wasn't affect by what you claim?
Are you now saying Africans descended from Canaan? Africans are now Canaanites huh? LOL! What a joke? Canaanites settled in the Middle East and Asia. Non of Canaan's descendants settled in Africa.
This means if Ham's curse settled on Canaan as you claim, those suffering from it's effects would be in the Middle East and Asia and not Africans
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: When the curse if active, the state of Ysrael would CEASE to exist. Yet, the state of Ysrael exists today. Why is that? Explain to me how the state of Ysrael officially exists and is recognized by the world body?
quote:Originally posted by Energy:
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: OP the law of the curse you cite cannot pertain to Blacks seeing as the state of Israel could not exist if the curse was active. But we know that the state of Israel exists today, therefor, that curse is innactive.
The people in Israel today are not Erverh (Hebrews). Surely you know that; don't you?
You will have point if the Erverh (Hebrews) occupy Israel today but the reality is, they don't. So you don't have a point. The Erverh (Hebrews) are STILL dispersed around the world even as we speak. Even the Europeans masquerading as Jews in the STATE of Israel acknowledge this fact.
Who said so? After Israel was destroyed, the Assyrians moved new people into Israel and those people live there to this present day.
It is not the house itself that creates the identity, it is the people. God did not make a treaty with the land, or whoever subsequently came to occupy it. He made those treaties and curses with the Erverh (Hebrew) people.
When Israel was destroyed and the Erverh (Hebrew) people went into exile, the country called Israel still existed, and the new arrivals lived in it. But the difference was, the new arrivals were not Erverh(Hebrews) therefore, they were not under any curses.
The prophecy was to do with the Erverh (Hebrews) people, not the piece of land or any new people that came to live in the land.
The European people living in Israel today are no different from the people the Assyrians moved into the land. Because people live in Israel does not not abrogate the prophecy made to the Erverh (Hebrews).
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^If you believe that Israel is a divine people directed by a divine force, then please point to me a prophecy that predicts a faux-Israel being established and the world body recognizing this entity.
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quote:Originally posted by ausar: Because of idol worship.
Israel (or the Hebrews) are in prophecy throughout the Bible.
A few -
As a Nation
Abraham's descendants are to be a great and a mighty nation. Gen 18:18
Israel was to have a perpetual monarchy. Jer 33:17, 21, 26; Ezek 37:24; II Sam 7:13, 19.
Israel to have control of the seas and a great naval power. Deut 33:19; Psalms 89:25; Isa 50:5; Isa 43:16.
Israel to become rich by trading. Deut 8:9; Isa 60:10, 12; Mic 7:16.
Israel to have great colonies. Gen 17:4,6,15,16; 35:11; 48:19.
Location
Israel are to be in a cold or mild weather environment where neither ''desert heat or the sun beat upon them'' Isaiah 49:10.
Israel was to live in islands. Isa 41:1-2; 49:1-3; 51:5; Jer 31:7-10
So Israel today must be an insular people (living in Islands) with mild or cold (non-hot) weather conditions, to the far north-west of Palestine, hold colonies and to have a monarchy and to have a great navy.
Clearly Blacks do not fufill any of these.
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You will have point if the Erverh (Hebrews) occupy Israel today but the reality is, they don't. So you don't have a point. The Erverh (Hebrews) are STILL dispersed around the world even as we speak. Even the Europeans masquerading as Jews in the STATE of Israel acknowledge this fact.
So according to you black people are God's ''chosen people'' (as you identify them as Hebrews) but you claim all over the world they are suffering.
Really makes no sense whatsoever.
If blacks are God's chosen why are they suffering?
How do you understand the following? Who do you understand from that verse is putting the Hebrews through their sufferings?
"When all these blessings and curses I have set before you come on you and you take them to heart wherever the LORD your God disperses you among the nations, and when you and your children return to the LORD your God and obey him with all your heart and with all your soul according to everything I command you today, then the LORD your God will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you and gather you again from all the nations where he scattered you. Even if you have been banished to the most distant land under the heavens, from there the LORD your God will gather you and bring you back. He will bring you to the land that belonged to your ancestors, and you will take possession of it. He will make you more prosperous and numerous than your ancestors."
Deuteronomy 30:1-5
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OP, you have a very limited Bible knowledge. The land is central to prophecy, as the latter revolves around the former.
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quote:Originally posted by ausar: Because of idol worship.
Israel (or the Hebrews) are in prophecy throughout the Bible.
A few -
As a Nation
Abraham's descendants are to be a great and a mighty nation. Gen 18:18
Israel was to have a perpetual monarchy. Jer 33:17, 21, 26; Ezek 37:24; II Sam 7:13, 19.
Israel to have control of the seas and a great naval power. Deut 33:19; Psalms 89:25; Isa 50:5; Isa 43:16.
Israel to become rich by trading. Deut 8:9; Isa 60:10, 12; Mic 7:16.
Israel to have great colonies. Gen 17:4,6,15,16; 35:11; 48:19.
Location
Israel are to be in a cold or mild weather environment where neither ''desert heat or the sun beat upon them'' Isaiah 49:10.
Israel was to live in islands. Isa 41:1-2; 49:1-3; 51:5; Jer 31:7-10
So Israel today must be an insular people (living in Islands) with mild or cold (non-hot) weather conditions, to the far north-west of Palestine, hold colonies and to have a monarchy and to have a great navy.
Clearly Blacks do not fufill any of these.
Deuteronomy 28
Blessings for Obedience 1 If you fully obey the LORD your God and carefully follow all his commands I give you today, the LORD your God will set you high above all the nations on earth. 2 All these blessings will come on you and accompany you if you obey the LORD your God:
3 You will be blessed in the city and blessed in the country.
4 The fruit of your womb will be blessed, and the crops of your land and the young of your livestockthe calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks.
5 Your basket and your kneading trough will be blessed.
6 You will be blessed when you come in and blessed when you go out.
7 The LORD will grant that the enemies who rise up against you will be defeated before you. They will come at you from one direction but flee from you in seven.
8 The LORD will send a blessing on your barns and on everything you put your hand to. The LORD your God will bless you in the land he is giving you.
9 The LORD will establish you as his holy people, as he promised you on oath, if you keep the commands of the LORD your God and walk in obedience to him. 10 Then all the peoples on earth will see that you are called by the name of the LORD, and they will fear you. 11 The LORD will grant you abundant prosperityin the fruit of your womb, the young of your livestock and the crops of your groundin the land he swore to your ancestors to give you.
12 The LORD will open the heavens, the storehouse of his bounty, to send rain on your land in season and to bless all the work of your hands. You will lend to many nations but will borrow from none. 13 The LORD will make you the head, not the tail. If you pay attention to the commands of the LORD your God that I give you this day and carefully follow them, you will always be at the top, never at the bottom. 14 Do not turn aside from any of the commands I give you today, to the right or to the left, following other gods and serving them.
Curses for Disobedience 15 However, if you do not obey the LORD your God and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come on you and overtake you:
16 You will be cursed in the city and cursed in the country.
17 Your basket and your kneading trough will be cursed.
18 The fruit of your womb will be cursed, and the crops of your land, and the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks.
19 You will be cursed when you come in and cursed when you go out.
20 The LORD will send on you curses, confusion and rebuke in everything you put your hand to, until you are destroyed and come to sudden ruin because of the evil you have done in forsaking him.[a] 21 The LORD will plague you with diseases until he has destroyed you from the land you are entering to possess. 22 The LORD will strike you with wasting disease, with fever and inflammation, with scorching heat and drought, with blight and mildew, which will plague you until you perish. 23 The sky over your head will be bronze, the ground beneath you iron. 24 The LORD will turn the rain of your country into dust and powder; it will come down from the skies until you are destroyed.
25 The LORD will cause you to be defeated before your enemies. You will come at them from one direction but flee from them in seven, and you will become a thing of horror to all the kingdoms on earth. 26 Your carcasses will be food for all the birds and the wild animals, and there will be no one to frighten them away. 27 The LORD will afflict you with the boils of Egypt and with tumors, festering sores and the itch, from which you cannot be cured. 28 The LORD will afflict you with madness, blindness and confusion of mind. 29 At midday you will grope about like a blind person in the dark. You will be unsuccessful in everything you do; day after day you will be oppressed and robbed, with no one to rescue you.
30 You will be pledged to be married to a woman, but another will take her and rape her. You will build a house, but you will not live in it. You will plant a vineyard, but you will not even begin to enjoy its fruit. 31 Your ox will be slaughtered before your eyes, but you will eat none of it. Your donkey will be forcibly taken from you and will not be returned. Your sheep will be given to your enemies, and no one will rescue them. 32 Your sons and daughters will be given to another nation, and you will wear out your eyes watching for them day after day, powerless to lift a hand. 33 A people that you do not know will eat what your land and labor produce, and you will have nothing but cruel oppression all your days. 34 The sights you see will drive you mad. 35 The LORD will afflict your knees and legs with painful boils that cannot be cured, spreading from the soles of your feet to the top of your head.
36 The LORD will drive you and the king you set over you to a nation unknown to you or your ancestors. There you will worship other gods, gods of wood and stone. 37 You will become a thing of horror, a byword and an object of ridicule among all the peoples where the LORD will drive you.
38 You will sow much seed in the field but you will harvest little, because locusts will devour it. 39 You will plant vineyards and cultivate them but you will not drink the wine or gather the grapes, because worms will eat them. 40 You will have olive trees throughout your country but you will not use the oil, because the olives will drop off. 41 You will have sons and daughters but you will not keep them, because they will go into captivity. 42 Swarms of locusts will take over all your trees and the crops of your land.
43 The foreigners who reside among you will rise above you higher and higher, but you will sink lower and lower. 44 They will lend to you, but you will not lend to them. They will be the head, but you will be the tail.
45 All these curses will come on you. They will pursue you and overtake you until you are destroyed, because you did not obey the LORD your God and observe the commands and decrees he gave you. 46 They will be a sign and a wonder to you and your descendants forever. 47 Because you did not serve the LORD your God joyfully and gladly in the time of prosperity, 48 therefore in hunger and thirst, in nakedness and dire poverty, you will serve the enemies the LORD sends against you. He will put an iron yoke on your neck until he has destroyed you.
49 The LORD will bring a nation against you from far away, from the ends of the earth, like an eagle swooping down, a nation whose language you will not understand, 50 a fierce-looking nation without respect for the old or pity for the young. 51 They will devour the young of your livestock and the crops of your land until you are destroyed. They will leave you no grain, new wine or olive oil, nor any calves of your herds or lambs of your flocks until you are ruined. 52 They will lay siege to all the cities throughout your land until the high fortified walls in which you trust fall down. They will besiege all the cities throughout the land the LORD your God is giving you.
53 Because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege, you will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the LORD your God has given you. 54 Even the most gentle and sensitive man among you will have no compassion on his own brother or the wife he loves or his surviving children, 55 and he will not give to one of them any of the flesh of his children that he is eating. It will be all he has left because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege of all your cities. 56 The most gentle and sensitive woman among youso sensitive and gentle that she would not venture to touch the ground with the sole of her footwill begrudge the husband she loves and her own son or daughter 57 the afterbirth from her womb and the children she bears. For in her dire need she intends to eat them secretly because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege of your cities.
58 If you do not carefully follow all the words of this law, which are written in this book, and do not revere this glorious and awesome namethe LORD your God 59 the LORD will send fearful plagues on you and your descendants, harsh and prolonged disasters, and severe and lingering illnesses. 60 He will bring on you all the diseases of Egypt that you dreaded, and they will cling to you. 61 The LORD will also bring on you every kind of sickness and disaster not recorded in this Book of the Law, until you are destroyed. 62 You who were as numerous as the stars in the sky will be left but few in number, because you did not obey the LORD your God. 63 Just as it pleased the LORD to make you prosper and increase in number, so it will please him to ruin and destroy you. You will be uprooted from the land you are entering to possess.
64 Then the LORD will scatter you among all nations, from one end of the earth to the other. There you will worship other godsgods of wood and stone, which neither you nor your ancestors have known. 65 Among those nations you will find no repose, no resting place for the sole of your foot. There the LORD will give you an anxious mind, eyes weary with longing, and a despairing heart. 66 You will live in constant suspense, filled with dread both night and day, never sure of your life. 67 In the morning you will say, If only it were evening! and in the evening, If only it were morning!because of the terror that will fill your hearts and the sights that your eyes will see. 68 The LORD will send you back in ships to Egypt on a journey I said you should never make again. There you will offer yourselves for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but no one will buy you.
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quote:Who said so? After Israel was destroyed, the Assyrians moved new people into Israel and those people live there to this present day.
Only the 10 tribes were deported aka the House of Israel. The tribe of Judah and Benjamin (and the Levites) were never deported.
Jews only claim descent from Judah and Levi. After the babylonian captivity, the Judahites (Jews) returned to Palestine.
The 10 tribes however were deported to the Medes and Assyria and then migrated out of the middle-east.
However archaeology and the New Testament confirms of the deported 10 tribes, only around 20,000-40,000 ever left and never returned. Note how the Gospel of Luke 2: 36 describes Anna from the tribe of Asher. Therefore there were Israelites in Israel in the early 1st century AD, they never left, only a small portion did.
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Black Hebrew Israelites argue that the deported Israelites became black africans (?). In sharp contrast British Israelites argue that they became white north-western Europeans e.g. the British.
Its always fascinated me how there can be such polar different theories on the same subject.
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quote:Who said so? After Israel was destroyed, the Assyrians moved new people into Israel and those people live there to this present day.
Only the 10 tribes were deported aka the House of Israel. The tribe of Judah and Benjamin (and the Levites) were never deported.
Jews only claim descent from Judah and Levi. After the babylonian captivity, the Judahites (Jews) returned to Palestine.
The 10 tribes however were deported to the Medes and Assyria and then migrated out of the middle-east.
However archaeology and the New Testament confirms of the deported 10 tribes, only around 20,000-40,000 ever left and never returned. Note how the Gospel of Luke 2: 36 describes Anna from the tribe of Asher. Therefore there were Israelites in Israel in the early 1st century AD, they never left, only a small portion did.
Read the book of Jeremiah and Ezekiel. It tells of how the tribe of Judah and Benjamin (and the Levites) aka Judea fled to ancient Egypt to escape from the Babylonians. God then caused Egypt's destruction at the hand of the Babylonians. And from thence the Erverh (Hebrews) became scattered among the nations in Africa.
With regard to the Jews in Israel today; they are not Erverh (Hebrews). They are mostly CONVERTS to Judaism. Thus they are not a race of people as the Erverh (Hebrews) were then and their descendants are today.
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quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: Black Hebrew Israelites argue that the deported Israelites became black africans (?). In sharp contrast British Israelites argue that they became white north-western Europeans e.g. the British.
Its always fascinated me how there can be such polar different theories on the same subject.
Yeah but both groups base their claims on SPECULATION. Thus, such claims are a joke more or less.
The Erverh (Hebrew) and their descendants in West Africa are a REALITY. Who they are and where they came from, which is backed up by their oral history, is not born out of SPECULATION but FACT.
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quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: Black Hebrew Israelites argue that the deported Israelites became black africans (?). In sharp contrast British Israelites argue that they became white north-western Europeans e.g. the British.
Its always fascinated me how there can be such polar different theories on the same subject.
Benyamin means child of the south.
Nordic means child of Nod (connected to Cain's banishment to the land of Nod), north.
Africa is south.
Europe of north.
It takes a sick mind to conflate north and south.
Know thyself...
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quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: Curse of Ham is why Blacks suffer (assuming you believe in the Bible0.
Its not the curse of Ham but the cure of Canaan. Interestingly, the ancient Canaanites had features that are very similar to the Niger/Congo people.
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quote:Originally posted by ausar: Unfortunately, black people have suffered because they were too kind hearted to groups which meant them harm. Black people should have combined their own technology with Asian and European technology to defend themselves against invasion upon their own land. Many black people stagnated because they were both too accepting of outsiders, while failing to adapt with change. When you have no strong military unit you get crushed by predatory groups.
Religion is fine but it does not explain everything concerning black people.
Does anybody here disagree with me?
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quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: Black Hebrew Israelites argue that the deported Israelites became black africans (?). In sharp contrast British Israelites argue that they became white north-western Europeans e.g. the British.
Its always fascinated me how there can be such polar different theories on the same subject.
Yeah but both groups base their claims on SPECULATION. Thus, such claims are a joke more or less.
The Erverh (Hebrew) and their descendants in West Africa are a REALITY. Who they are and where they came from, which is backed up by their oral history, is not born out of SPECULATION but FACT.
The only 'identity' sect that has ever had academic support is British Israelism. See the list here:
''As late as the 1860s and 1870s, several highly-educated men such as Professor Charles Piazzi Smyth, Astronomer Royal for Scotland, Fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society, and Fellow of the Royal Societies of London and Edinburgh, Dr. George Moore, Member of the Royal College of Physicians, John Pym Yeatman, Esq., Fellow of the Royal Historical Society, C.O. Groom Napier, geologist and Fellow of the Royal Statistical Society, Dr. Herbert Aldersmith, Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons and others though not professional anthropologists or ethnologists were able to authoritatively voice the British-Israel message, which won over many converts.[76][77] Charles Marston, Fellow of the Society of Antiquaries of London who funded major archaeological excavations across Palestine between 1929-1938 was also a notable academic proponent of British Israelism''
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BI is supported by archaeology and other evidences. Since when the House of Israel was deported Assyrian tablets connected them to the Cimmerians and Scythians. This is undisputable evidence and the identity of Israel.
Assyrian tablets reveal Israel's identity as the Scythians and Cimmerians
Therefore the Israelites today are to be found whereever the Scythians wandered.
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The Ethiopians are the true Jews, The Ethiopians have been practicing Judaism for thousands of years and the Ethiopians recoginize Yeshuaha the Nazerine as Moshiach...
quote:Originally posted by Energy: Lets be wise folks. Talking about or trying to relate to ancient Egypt 24/7 365 days is not where our salvation lies.
Our salvation lies in accepting the truth. Most black people in America and the Caribbean with slave ancestry were taken from a people in West Africa called the Erverh. That is the name of the people of the former Slave Coast in West Africa.
Furthermore, the name Erverh, is the PROPER name of the ancient Israelites. It is this name Erverh that was translated into English as Hebrew.
Please lets embrace who we are. That is the only HOPE for our salvation as Erverh people aka the Hebrews.
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: Black Hebrew Israelites argue that the deported Israelites became black africans (?). In sharp contrast British Israelites argue that they became white north-western Europeans e.g. the British.
Its always fascinated me how there can be such polar different theories on the same subject.
Yeah but both groups base their claims on SPECULATION. Thus, such claims are a joke more or less.
The Erverh (Hebrew) and their descendants in West Africa are a REALITY. Who they are and where they came from, which is backed up by their oral history, is not born out of SPECULATION but FACT.
The only 'identity' sect that has ever had academic support is British Israelism. See the list here:
''As late as the 1860s and 1870s, several highly-educated men such as Professor Charles Piazzi Smyth, Astronomer Royal for Scotland, Fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society, and Fellow of the Royal Societies of London and Edinburgh, Dr. George Moore, Member of the Royal College of Physicians, John Pym Yeatman, Esq., Fellow of the Royal Historical Society, C.O. Groom Napier, geologist and Fellow of the Royal Statistical Society, Dr. Herbert Aldersmith, Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons and others though not professional anthropologists or ethnologists were able to authoritatively voice the British-Israel message, which won over many converts.[76][77] Charles Marston, Fellow of the Society of Antiquaries of London who funded major archaeological excavations across Palestine between 1929-1938 was also a notable academic proponent of British Israelism''
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BI is supported by archaeology and other evidences. Since when the House of Israel was deported Assyrian tablets connected them to the Cimmerians and Scythians. This is undisputable evidence and the identity of Israel.
Assyrian tablets reveal Israel's identity as the Scythians and Cimmerians
Therefore the Israelites today are to be found whereever the Scythians wandered.
quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: [QB] The Ethiopians are the true Jews, The Ethiopians have been practicing Judaism for thousands of years and the Ethiopians recoginize Yeshuaha the Nazerine as Moshiach...
I've researched these ethiopian oral traditions of ethiopians being Hebrews.
One thing to point out, is that they claim descent from a white tribe who moved into Africa.
They are not claiming the Hebrews were originally black, but that the white Semites moved into Africa and intermarried with ethiopians.
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Based on historical records, proponents to British Israelism have a stronger argument to make when claiming Biblical Hebrew heritage than Black Hebrew Israelites.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: CT what is your opinion on British Israelism?
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The Ethiopians claim to be descended from Solomon and Sheba nothing about "White" Semites. I believe that is the South African Jews who claim that. As a matter of fact the Ethiopians before coming into contact with Westerners though the Jews were black and that they were the only Jews in the world, they were suprised that white Jews existed.
Sorry but you lose the Ethiopians are the true Jews!!
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: [QB] The Ethiopians are the true Jews, The Ethiopians have been practicing Judaism for thousands of years and the Ethiopians recoginize Yeshuaha the Nazerine as Moshiach...
I've researched these ethiopian oral traditions of ethiopians being Hebrews.
One thing to point out, is that they claim descent from a white tribe who moved into Africa.
They are not claiming the Hebrews were originally black, but that the white Semites moved into Africa and intermarried with ethiopians.
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At the time of Solomon, no Israelites were called Jews.The name Jew is a very RECENT name.
Therefore, the question is where did these Ethiopians whom you claim descended from Solomon, get the "Jews" title from?
At the time of Solomon all Israelites were called ERVERH (Hebrews) so how did they lose their name?
To make matters worse, Ethiopians Jews operate from synagogues. At the time of Solomon right to the destruction of Israel no Erverh aka Hebrews had ever heard of a synagogue. Thus if these Ethiopians are descended from Solomon, where did they get synagogue worship from?
You see the problem?
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quote:Originally posted by Energy: Does any of you doubters have COGENT ANSWERS to explain why black people wherever you find them on this planet are suffering?
Be it in America, the Caribbean or Africa, black people are always at the bottom in everything and they are suffering.
Can any of you explain why?
I have seen enough so-called white losers and bottom feeders to realize that not all that glitters is gold. It always looks greener on the other side of the fence....
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How are the Israelites black ethiopians or black west africans?
You only have to read the Old Testament to see the Israelites were Caucasoid. There are numerous physical descriptions not applicable to blacks.
King David is described as having red-hair and light beautiful eyes. See I Samuel 16: 12.
A negro with red hair and light eyes?
Doesn't exist. The afrocentrics usually spam photos of one blonde or red haired australian aborigines in responce. lol.
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The Beta Israel are mixed and genetically closer to White Ashkenazi Jews than they are to True Negroid West Africans.
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quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: How are the Israelites black ethiopians or black west africans?
You only have to read the Old Testament to see the Israelites were Caucasoid. There are numerous physical descriptions not applicable to blacks.
King David is described as having red-hair and light beautiful eyes. See I Samuel 16: 12.
A negro with red hair and light eyes?
Doesn't exist. The afrocentrics usually spam photos of one blonde or red haired australian aborigines in responce. lol.
The following is how the ancient Israelites looked like. Do you know any Caucasians that looks like that?
And by the way, stop lying. Show where it says in the Bible King David had red hair and light beautiful eyes as you claim. Cut and paste that scripture.
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