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^Yes. And PLEASE! do not come back with the bullshit about Blacks being here pre 1492 non-sense. Thank you.
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Are the Cherokees real natives?
I await your response.
No, they are not.
They are comprised on 90% or more white, 10% or less Native. Whites killed nearly all of the natives and mated with the remaining few. The reparations checks being given to supposed Natives are actually being handed to Whites, so as usual, Whites found a way to steal yet another culture while paying themselves for doing so.
The blacks being denied actually have more Native blood than the whites.
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^^ Are the Cherokee Racists Really Europeans?
Studying the Effects of Genetic Warfare on the Transitional Developments of the Cherokee Nation By (Amir) Ishaq D. Al-Sulaimani
Are the Cherokee Racists Really Europeans ?
“ In March 2007 the Cherokee Nation voted to revoke the tribal citizenship of an estimated 2,800 descendants of the people the Cherokees once owned as slaves.” – New York Times March 4th 2007.
Those rejected by the Cherokee are also known as “ Black Cherokees ” and or “ Freedmen ”. By 1835 the Cherokee were known to be the owners of more African descended slaves than any other Native-American tribe. In addition the Cherokee were often times known for the brutal mistreatmentof their slaves. An interesting point is that full blooded Cherokees rarely if at all owned slaves.
The Cherokee slave owners were the patrilineal descendants of British (European) descended males who infiltrated the tribe in a strategic policy of containment which targeted pure Cherokee males for genocide. The success of this crime against humanity is revealed in the DNA test results of present day Cherokee males of whom the vast majority are of Y-Chromosome Haplogroup R1B. R1B is distinctly a European Haplogroup accounting for 95% of Irish males and 80% amongst the British. Haplogroup R1B is universally defined by every accredited DNA testing center as the most common Y haplogroup in all of Europe.
As the inheritors of Y-Chromosome Haplogroup R1B, the modern day Cherokee male stands alone in the midst of countless Native-American tribes who are all defined by Y(MALE)Chromosome Haplogroups Q and C.( In accordance with the containment policies outlined by Willie Lynch the British descended Americans likewise targeted the African-American male with a campaign of genetic warfare which resulted in an entire generation of mulattoes who would pass on the R1B Y-Chromosome to the general African-American Male population. However due to the large numbers of African-American males entering the Americas the success or extent of replacing the original(African) Y-Chromosome which is E3A remains checked at about 30%).
Y-Chromosome Haplogroups Qand C are acknowledged as the only two authentic Native-American Haplogroups,while R is known to be the result of European admixture.
Native-American Testing of Genele Health and DNA, Accredited DNA Testing Pioneer Since 1987 stated:
“ Three major haplogroups account for 96% of Native-American Male Y-Chromosomes. The haplogroups are called Q,C and R. Haplogroups Q and C represent early Native-American founding male lineages. Haplogroup R lineages present in Native-Americans are believed by scientists to most likely have come from recent admixtures with Europeans.”
The published Y-Chromosome results of a Cherokee DNA Project recently started by family TreeDna have been posted at 100% for European Haplogroup R. MtDNA(Matrilineal) Haplogroups define maternal lineages. Native-Americans belong to one of 5 MtDNA Haplogroups which are classified as A,B,C,D, or X. Cherokee MtDNA results are dominated by European Haplogroup H. In fact acccording to the early test results of the FamilyTreeDNA, Cherokee DNA Project only one Cherokee participant tested positive for an authentic Native-American MtDNA(matrilineal) Haplogroup(C),while the remaining results were all positive for a number of European haplogroups with the majority recorded as H.
All of the DNA results mentioned above support the fact that at one point the original Cherokee males of Haplogroups Qand C were exterminated and replaced by European males who are the carriers of Y-Chromosome R1B. The male offspring of the European fathers(Y-Chromosome R1B) and the original Cherokee mothers (X-Chromosome A,B,C,D,and X) would then bring European wives into the tribe thus accounting for the dominance of European MtDNA(maternal) Haplogroup H amongst the modern day Cherokee women. This process helped reduce the ratio or percentage of the original Cherokee women who were the carriers of the authentic Native-American MtDNA Haplogroups A,B,C,D and X and thus the genocidal policies of European genetic warfare not only targeted Cherokee males but Cherokee females as well. In the same manner that the freedmen are referred to as “Black-Cherokees” the so-called modern day Cherokee should be referred to as “White-Cherokees” for they are just as much European as the “Black-Cherokees” are African.
The European genetic takeover of the Cherokee Nation began in 1673 as the English realized the value of developing a trading alliance with the Cherokee which would allow them to bypass some of the other Indian tribes who were serving as middlemen for most trade routes and transactions. In order to secure the trading alliance with the Cherokee many of these English traders began taking Cherokee wives. The number of these intermarriages were so great that it is historically acknowledged as the source of corrupting the native Cherokee matrilineal clan system as the European husbands demanded full patrilineal rights thereby refusing the Cherokee woman’s tribal right to claim property,children and inheritance.
As the European male presence began to grow within the Cherokee Nation the original Cherokee males were being forcibly taken from the tribe for slaughter and enslavement. This policy was strongly supported by Governor Moore of South Carolina who decreed the right to assault,kill,destroy and enslave as many Cherokees as possible.
The destruction and or removal of the original Cherokee males from the Cherokee Nation resulted in the “ mysterious” disappearance of the traditional Cherokee social structure known as the Red-White system of elders. This system was based on a council which is divided into a peace faction (Talalewequa) and a war faction (Danawa). Debating between the two factions would ultimately lead to the appropraite method for addressing conflict.
Between 1820 and 1863 the Cherokee Nation fully transitioned to a European based social structure. 1820 marked the founding of the modern Cherokee Nation....
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^ Thanks for posting this Lion. I am too lazy to take the time and effort to educate these Albino clowns since they haven't showed signs of becoming civilized in the 200 years that we have been trying. The DNA evidence simply confirms what we already knew.
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"Haplogroup R1B.R1B is distinctly a European Haplogroup accounting for 95% of Irish males and 80% amongst the British. "
^From your article. Yet, you will claim that that haplogroup belongs to Africans. So which is it? rflol!!!!!!!!!!!
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If what IronLion posted is true(Have no reason to doubt that it is), then what happened to the Original Cherokee is an travesty.
What is it with some "white" or "europeans" being so hateful? Whats wrong with accepting everyone and trying to build an stronger community together?
This nonsense of hate, has to stop. No matter what side you're on, defending hate is not the way to go. Blacks and Whites have come a long way in this world, and to see people still preaching hate of others is just foolishness.
To hear that "REAL" Cherokee's were basically killed off and replaced by people who despise others is just sad. Natives in AMerica have gone through a heck of alot, yet they are still hear never left. Lets hope they stop hating other minorites and stand strong in Love with others be they Black, Latin, Asian and yes White. The only way to move forward as an people is together.
Peace
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quote:Originally posted by Afrocentric Liars Exposed: "Haplogroup R1B.R1B is distinctly a European Haplogroup accounting for 95% of Irish males and 80% amongst the British. "
^From your article. Yet, you will claim that that haplogroup belongs to Africans. So which is it? rflol!!!!!!!!!!!
It is obvious that the Cherokee and other Amerindians acquired R1 from Africans instead of Europeans. As pointed out by Iron lion Europeans mainly killed off the Indians they encountered. It was African males mating with North American females that made R1 the third leading y-chromosome in North America.
Man Clyde, don't you know how strange that sounds?
Euros are majority R1, yet you want people to believe that Africans gave it to the Natives?
Really man that sounds farfetched. This anger at Euros has to stop. Not all Europeans were stealing history and also it's majority Euros that are leading the charge to right the wrongs of the past. How about we try and talk about what unites us as Humans, and stop talking about what divides us?
Peace
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^ KING Stop being so damn feminine and naive. Better men then you have tried educating whites for hundreds of years and got no where. MLK preached that same tired crap about loving one another and whites responded by busting a slug in his head. Only a fool would keep trying to apply a formula that has been conclusively proven to be ineffective. All you'll end up doing is loving yourself into extinction.
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This direction of native Americans (NA) and European (EA)interaction is best illustrated by the numerous wars these populations were engaged in, and popular European cultural sentiments which promoted separation of the races, and racism directed at NA (3). This racism was not conducive to furthering NA and European American (EA) intermarriage.
Maroon
Whereas the history of EA and NA contact did not favor widespread mating between these populations, there is a long history of intimate contact between NA and Sub-Saharan African (SSA) populations in the USA since 1501.There were no Western Eurasians in North America until the founding of Jamestown and Bew Amsterdam. This was a 100 years after Maroons had established towns in the Carolinas and Florida.
This suggest that the trajectory for the spread of R-M173 among NA populations, was via African males. It is likely that SSA males are responsible for the introduction of R-M173 among some NA populations in the Southeastern and Northesatern parts of the USA .
Native Americans carry a high frequency of R-M173 (1). The most predominate y-chromosome in North America is R-M173. R-M173 is found only in the Northeastern United States along with mtDNA haplogroup X (25%). Both haplogroups are found in Africa, but is rare in Siberia.
There are varying frequencies of y-chromosome M-173 in Africa and Eurasia. Whereas only between 8% and 10% of M-173 is carried by Eurasians, 82% of the carriers of this y-chromosome are found in Africa.
African and Native Americans came in contact during the European conquest of the Americas. Thousands of SSA males ran away from the plantations to Indian Territory where they founded many maroon societies or lived on tribal lands. These runaway slaves held extensive land holdings in Florida and in Nova Scotia, near Halifax during the American slave period.
There were so many SSAs among the Iroquois and other Northeastern American tribes that in 1726, 1764 and 1765, the governor of Colonial New York exacted a promise from the Delaware, Huron and Iroquois Confederation, to return runaway slaves. Although NA nations gave this promise to the governor no slaves were ever returned.
This is very interesting given the presence of R-M173 among many American Indian groups. R-M173 among the North American Algonquian group range from Ojibwe (79%), Chipewyan (62%), Seminole (50%), Cherokee (47%), Dogrib (40%) and Papago (38%).
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RFLOL!!!!!! exactly! u c the contradiction wit these afroloon?RFLOL!!!!!!!!
quote:Originally posted by KING: Clyde Winters
Man Clyde, don't you know how strange that sounds?
Euros are majority R1, yet you want people to believe that Africans gave it to the Natives?
Really man that sounds farfetched. This anger at Euros has to stop. Not all Europeans were stealing history and also it's majority Euros that are leading the charge to right the wrongs of the past. How about we try and talk about what unites us as Humans, and stop talking about what divides us?
Man Clyde, don't you know how strange that sounds?
Euros are majority R1, yet you want people to believe that Africans gave it to the Natives?
Really man that sounds farfetched. This anger at Euros has to stop. Not all Europeans were stealing history and also it's majority Euros that are leading the charge to right the wrongs of the past. How about we try and talk about what unites us as Humans, and stop talking about what divides us?
Peace
When will you learn : Europeans lie. They teach a fake history.
This has nothing to do with hate, its about truth.
Africans carry all the R1 lineages. The oldest R1 clade is found in Africa—not Eurasia.
Most Eurasians carry M209 and M269.
V88 is older than M209. The TMRCA of V88 was 9200 kya (Cruciani et al, 2010).
Most Eurasians carry the younger M269 (R1b1b2) mutation. The subclades of R1b1b2 include Rh1b1b2g (U106) (TMRCA 8.3kya) and R1b1b2h (U152) (TMRCA 7.4kya).
V88 is older than M269. The TMRCA of V88 was 9200 kya (Cruciani et al, 2010).
IF Africans carry the oldest R1 clades, this haplogroup had to have arisen in Africa. Maroon
The Spainish do not carry R1. In 1501 African maroons ran the Spanish out of th Carolinas, other Maroon ran the Spanish out of Florida. This put Africans carrying R1 in North America over 100 years before the Western European British, French etc.who carry R1 began to murder the Native Americans.
King you need to study and then you wouldn't believe the nonsense Europeans teach.
Man Clyde, don't you know how strange that sounds?
Euros are majority R1, yet you want people to believe that Africans gave it to the Natives?
Really man that sounds farfetched. This anger at Euros has to stop. Not all Europeans were stealing history and also it's majority Euros that are leading the charge to right the wrongs of the past. How about we try and talk about what unites us as Humans, and stop talking about what divides us?
Peace
King you naive. You need to see this video:
"A demonstration of how whites, and White institutions, use their control over artifacts and media, to promote a false (fantasy) White history".
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Clyde, you need some serious psychiatric help. I am not saying that to be funny, dude. Your lunacy and madness are without bounds, bros. I cant even get myself to give you the respect of a Phd anymore. Dude, you are pathetic. You are worst than the ghetto scholars. There is no logical sense in you. The effect of white racism has made you into a raving retard. And I say this humbly, brother.
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Africans carry all the R1 lineages. The oldest R1 clade is found in Africa—not Eurasia.
Most Eurasians carry M209 and M269.
V88 is older than M209. The TMRCA of V88 was 9200 kya (Cruciani et al, 2010).
Most Eurasians carry the younger M269 (R1b1b2) mutation. The subclades of R1b1b2 include Rh1b1b2g (U106) (TMRCA 8.3kya) and R1b1b2h (U152) (TMRCA 7.4kya).
V88 is older than M269. The TMRCA of V88 was 9200 kya (Cruciani et al, 2010).
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Yet another example of how Albinos got rich by stealing other people's cultural identities, cheating and deception. What is this, the 10,000th example?
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quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: Yet another example of how Albinos got rich by stealing other people's cultural identities, cheating and deception. What is this, the 10,000th example?
So true. europeans have hated AAs because once we could read we exposed the lies they teach as history.
Europeans generally and their negro lackies try to deny the fact many Black Indians lived in America when Europeans arrived, so they can erase our heritage as founders of civilization here in the Americas. Just like Europeans invented the myth of the "true Negro", they invented the myth of the "Native American", and imposed on us the idea that "Native Americans", all looked like the nomadic tribes the U.S. fought in the Southwest e.g., Apache .
In reality, American Indians varied in appearence and many of the settled agricultural Indian groups in the North and South were Blacks, many dating back to the Mali discovery of America.
Mississippi Choctaw
It is sad that many of our grandparents died without telling us our heritage. My wife's mother came from Alabama and her father from Georgia. Both of my parents came from Mississippi. My wife's grandfather was Cherokee, and her great grandmother on her mother's side was an Indian who could not speak English. My mother told us that we were part Choctaw. Back at DuSable High School (Chicago) in 1968, I did a survey and found that 60% of the students in my senior Class were part Indian.
When Gates did his special on celebrity AA DNA, he was surprised that many of the light skinned people who thought they had Indian heritage, did not, while Opera who was dark did.
If he would have known that R1 was probably spread among North American Indians by Africans he would have been able to fully illuminate us on the heritage of AAs and their relationship with American Indians. Sadly, establishment AAs lack the ability to think for themselves and as a result allow outsiders to define us.
Studying the Effects of Genetic Warfare on the Transitional Developments of the Cherokee Nation By (Amir) Ishaq D. Al-Sulaimani
Are the Cherokee Racists Really Europeans ?
“ In March 2007 the Cherokee Nation voted to revoke the tribal citizenship of an estimated 2,800 descendants of the people the Cherokees once owned as slaves.” – New York Times March 4th 2007.
Those rejected by the Cherokee are also known as “ Black Cherokees ” and or “ Freedmen ”. By 1835 the Cherokee were known to be the owners of more African descended slaves than any other Native-American tribe. In addition the Cherokee were often times known for the brutal mistreatmentof their slaves. An interesting point is that full blooded Cherokees rarely if at all owned slaves.
The Cherokee slave owners were the patrilineal descendants of British (European) descended males who infiltrated the tribe in a strategic policy of containment which targeted pure Cherokee males for genocide. The success of this crime against humanity is revealed in the DNA test results of present day Cherokee males of whom the vast majority are of Y-Chromosome Haplogroup R1B. R1B is distinctly a European Haplogroup accounting for 95% of Irish males and 80% amongst the British. Haplogroup R1B is universally defined by every accredited DNA testing center as the most common Y haplogroup in all of Europe.
-(AMIR) ISHAQ D. AL-SULAIMANI
THE ISAWIYYA ISRAELITE MOSQUE OF QARAIMS, PHILADELPHIA
(Is Amir Ishaq D. Al-Sulaimani really European?-lioness prod.)
"We believe that Gog(England), MaGog(United States), Rosh Meschech(Russia) and Ashkenaz(Zionism) are the 4 beasts mentioned in the Book of Ezekiel. According to prophecy and by nature these Japhetic entities will stand in opposition to the Chosen remnant of the Israelite-Islamic Nation which is destined to be restored by the Messiah and the Mahdi."
some Cherokee replys in comments on Rastalivewire:
A member of the Human Race says “Cherokee Racists”? Seriously? I don’t think you understand the issue, or else you wouldn’t resort to using silly conspiracy theories to throw racist titles at a group of people you seem to have yet to try to understand.
Tribal membership is a legal issue. The Cherokee Nation has no blood quantum requirement. To be a citizen, one must have a single Indian ancestor listed on the Dawes Rolls (1906). Degree of blood is moot, and therefore your obvious attempt to suggest that the Cherokee nation is made up of nothing but evil white men [paraphrase mine] born out of conspiracy is moot as well.
Let’s separate fact from fiction. Shall we . . .
MYTH: The Cherokee Nation is kicking African-Americans out of the tribe. FACT: The Cherokee Nation is among the most diverse of Indian tribes with thousands of citizens who share African, Latino, Asian, Caucasian and other ancestry, including more than 1,500 descendants of former slaves. All have at least one Indian ancestor on the Dawes Rolls. African-Americans with an Indian ancestor on the Dawes Rolls have been, and will continue to be, citizens of the Cherokee Nation.
MYTH: The March 2007 Cherokee Constitutional amendment election allowed adopted whites with no blood quantum listed on the Dawes Rolls to remain citizens. FACT: First, the Cherokee Nation has no blood quantum requirement. To be a citizen, one must have a single Indian ancestor listed on the Dawes Rolls. Second, the Constitutional amendment affects the citizenship of all non-Indians who were granted citizenship rights under a 2006 tribal court ruling, regardless of their ethnic background. This means that, in addition to affecting 2,867 descendants of those who were originally enrolled as non-Indian Freedmen, the amendment also affected nine descendants of Intermarried Whites
MYTH: Non-Indians who have long been Cherokee citizens are now being “disenrolled.” FACT: The March 2007 Constitutional amendment only affected certain people who were granted tribal citizenship under a 2006 tribal court ruling, which came down just one year before the amendment passed. This vote affirmed the people’s passionate belief that you need one Indian ancestor listed on the base roll to be a Cherokee. Since the amendment’s passage, in May 2007, Cherokee tribal courts temporarily reinstated those who had been affected by the amendment pending the outcome of the litigation over this issue.
It’s interesting to note that tribal membership in the Cherokee nation brings with it some perks and privileges – some of which can be valued by some in monetary terms. Ask yourself . . . if non-Indians can grasp citizenship by linking to non-Indians listed on the Dawes rolls, then who is really taking advantage of whom here? If the Cherokee nation is truly a sovereign nation – which they are – can they not value native citizenship and protect tribal interests from those who are in effect trying to steal from them?
Enough is enough. The U.S. government has far too long bullied native peoples of this land. Please, no more deceitful tactics – like HR 2824. No more completely ridiculous and unfounded conspiracy theories. The time for cheating American tribes out of what is rightfully theirs – the right to decide for themselves what becomes of their people and their culture – must come to an end.
In short, if you are not a member of the Cherokee nation, then you have no voice on tribal matters.
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