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alTakruri
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Not to distract from the genetics of another thread as
a troll hopes to do this thread will discuss the header.

It is because of their colour that the Argive king is
suspect of the maidens originally having Argos precedents.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=

quote:
Yet if this may not be,
We [Dainades], the dark race sun-smitten, we
Will speed with suppliant wands
To Zeus who rules below, with hospitable hands
Who welcomes all the dead from all the lands:
Yea, by our own hands strangled, we will go,
Spurned by Olympian gods, unto the gods below!

. . .

O stranger maids, I may not trust this word,
That ye have share in this our Argive race.
No likeness of our country do ye bear,
But semblance as of Libyan womankind.
Even such a stock by Nilus' banks might grow;
Yea, and the Cyprian stamp, in female forms,
Shows, to the life, what males impressed the same.
And, furthermore, of roving Indian maids
Whose camping-grounds by Aethiopia lie,
And camels burdened even as mules, and bearing
Riders, as horses bear, mine ears have heard;
And tales of flesh-devouring mateless maids
Called Amazons: to these, if bows ye bare,
I most had deemed you like. Speak further yet,
That of your Argive birth the truth I learn.



Aeschylus -525(?) to -456
Suppliant Maidens

In describing the girls brothers Aeschylus writes:
"I can see the crew with their black limbs and white tunics."

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Please check here:

http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=004967

RECAP:

Afrocentric literature claims the Danaids (the daughters of Danaus) of Greek mythology and classical literature are described by Aechylus as black or dark skinned in his 'The Suppliants'.

For this alleged passage, see verse 154.

Afrocentrics on the net claim this passage reads:

''black and smitten by the sun'' (Ivan Sertima, African presence in early Europe, p. 48).

YET NO CLASSICAL SCHOLAR TRANSLATES THIS VERSE AS SUCH.

It's just another afrocentric LIE.

The Greek for this verse is:

melanthes/ helioktupon genos,

which translates as -

’darkened by the sun’’ or ''sunburnt'' race

(translation e.g. from: Aeschylus. Aeschylus, with an English translation by Herbert Weir Smyth, Ph. D. in two volumes. 2. Suppliant Women. Herbert Weir Smyth, Ph. D. Cambridge, MA. Harvard University Press. 1926).

How many black people SUNBURN or darken by the sun? Isn't the afrocentric retards that claim only whites sunburn and they post photos of this?

Aeschylus is thus referring to the Danaids white skin that was burnt or 'darked'.

only pale skin can 'darken'.

-- Just another afrocentric lie exposed.

The Danaids -

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quote:
How many black people SUNBURN or darken by the sun? Isn't the afrocentric retards that claim only whites sunburn and they post photos of this?
Dumbass, the Greeks knew skin color correlates with sun radiation. The author of that passage doesn't mean sunburned, as in: appearing tanned, but sunburned, as in, having aquired a dark (black) skin over the ages because of having settled in a hot climate.
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Burnt as in Phaeton permanently scorched 'em with
Phoebus' chariot forever making their progeny black.

The Greeks themselves were merely sun-tanned as
they exercised naked and so would make no note
of a mere sun tan.

This is obvious. However we don't expect anything
of Tinman the fugly true blanco that's sensible.
What kind of idiot believes a painting dated 1904
is a snapshot of imaginary mythological characters.

Tinman is the ES Whipping Boy constantly reposting the
same old bullshit that got his ass whipped to start with.

quote:
Yet if this may not be,
We, the dark race sun-smitten, we
Will speed with suppliant wands
To Zeus who rules below, with hospitable hands
Who welcomes all the dead from all the lands:
Yea, by our own hands strangled, we will go,
Spurned by Olympian gods, unto the gods below!

. . .

O stranger maids, I may not trust this word,
That ye have share in this our Argive race.
No likeness of our country do ye bear,
But semblance as of Libyan womankind.
Even such a stock by Nilus' banks might grow;
Yea, and the Cyprian stamp, in female forms,
Shows, to the life, what males impressed the same.
And, furthermore, of roving Indian maids
Whose camping-grounds by Aethiopia lie,
And camels burdened even as mules, and bearing
Riders, as horses bear, mine ears have heard;
And tales of flesh-devouring mateless maids
Called Amazons: to these, if bows ye bare,
I most had deemed you like. Speak further yet,
That of your Argive birth the truth I learn.

. . .

And look, the seamen-all too plain their race -
Their dark limbs gleam from out their snow-white garb;



Aeschylus -525(?) to -456
Suppliant Maidens
translated by E.D.A. Morshead

quote:
Yet, if she will not,
we, a dark, sun-burned race,
with suppliant boughs will
invoke the underworld Zeus,
Zeus the great host of the dead;
for if the gods of Olympus hear us not,
we will hang ourselves.

. . .

Foreign maidens, your tale is beyond my belief —
how your race can be from Argos.
For you are more similar to the women of Libya
and in no way similar to those native to our land.
The Nile, too, might foster such a stock,
and like yours is the Cyprian impress
stamped upon female images by male craftsmen.
And of such aspect, I have heard, are nomad women,
who ride on camels
for steeds, having padded saddles,
and dwell in a land neighboring the Aethiopians.
And had you been armed with the bow,
certainly I would have guessed you to be the unwed,
flesh-devouring Amazons.
But inform me, and I will better comprehend
how it is that you trace your race and lineage from Argos.

. . .

The men on board are plainly seen,
their black limbs showing from their white attire.



Aeschylus
Suppliant Women
translated by Herbert Weir Smyth, Ph. D., Ed


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quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:

Tinman is the ES Whipping Boy constantly reposting the
same old bullshit that got his ass whipped to start with.

Forever.
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please explain this

"And, furthermore, of roving Indian maids
Whose camping-grounds by Aethiopia lie"

are the Dainades Indian women?

what are these camping grounds near Ethiopia and why would roving Indian maids be near it?

thanks, lioness

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I don't know. Ask Aeschylus or Morshead.

Danaids per Pelasgus are akin to
* Libyans
* Egyptians
* Cypriotes
* Indians
* Aethiopians
* Arabs
* imaginary Amazons
in the colour of their skin and
nothing at all like the Argives
per Aeschylus' writing for a 5th
century BCE Greek reading audience.

That is the point
w/o your distractions.

no thanks, al~Takruri

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quote:
Originally posted by cassiterides:
Please check here:

http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=004967

RECAP:

Afrocentric literature claims the Danaids (the daughters of Danaus) of Greek mythology and classical literature are described by Aechylus as black or dark skinned in his 'The Suppliants'.

For this alleged passage, see verse 154.

Afrocentrics on the net claim this passage reads:

''black and smitten by the sun'' (Ivan Sertima, African presence in early Europe, p. 48).

YET NO CLASSICAL SCHOLAR TRANSLATES THIS VERSE AS SUCH.

It's just another afrocentric LIE.

The Greek for this verse is:

melanthes/ helioktupon genos,

which translates as -

’darkened by the sun’’ or ''sunburnt'' race

(translation e.g. from: Aeschylus. Aeschylus, with an English translation by Herbert Weir Smyth, Ph. D. in two volumes. 2. Suppliant Women. Herbert Weir Smyth, Ph. D. Cambridge, MA. Harvard University Press. 1926).

How many black people SUNBURN or darken by the sun? Isn't the afrocentric retards that claim only whites sunburn and they post photos of this?

Aeschylus is thus referring to the Danaids white skin that was burnt or 'darked'.

only pale skin can 'darken'.

-- Just another afrocentric lie exposed.

The Danaids -

 -

All black people darken in the sun. Also darkskinned blacks. I am not surprised you don't know, you're exenophobic and dumb.

The sunburn part, for a European it would be conconsidered sunburn, whiles its just a natural complexion for the African.


Lol at you calling anyone else a retard. That's funny.

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
please explain this

"And, furthermore, of roving Indian maids
Whose camping-grounds by Aethiopia lie"

are the Dainades Indian women?

what are these camping grounds near Ethiopia and why would roving Indian maids be near it?

thanks, lioness

This phrase probably refers to the Buddhist [Gymnosophists] who lived in egypt and the Meroitic empire.

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Clyde winters
quote:
his phrase probably refers to the Buddhist [Gymnosophists] who lived in egypt and the Meroitic empire.
How so? when the Danoi event were recounting early bronze age era.
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^ Indeed Brada. That YOU would know this and not Winters who supposedly has a doctorate in such stuff is amusing if not disturbing. [Embarrassed]

quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:

Burnt as in Phaeton permanently scorched 'em with
Phoebus' chariot forever making their progeny black.

The Greeks themselves were merely sun-tanned as
they exercised naked and so would make no note
of a mere sun tan.

This is obvious. However we don't expect anything
of Tinman the fugly true blanco that's sensible.
What kind of idiot believes a painting dated 1904
is a snapshot of imaginary mythological characters.

Tinman is the ES Whipping Boy constantly reposting the
same old bullshit that got his ass whipped to start with..

This is all correct. I believe I posted the poem of Phaeton in this forum years ago (if not then some other forum). As Takruri has stated, the myth is basically an explanation for why there are heavily pigmented i.e. BLACK peoples in the world, claiming that Phaeton nearly crashed the chariot of the sun on earth literally scorching the peoples of Libya (Africa including Egypt) as well as Arabia and India all black. You see, that's what the original Classical Greek phrase of 'sun-burnt' meant. It is NOT our modern meaning of fair or white skin being damaged by UV but rather the skin being scorched black or very dark.
quote:
Originally posted by castrated:

The Greek for this verse is:

melanthes/ helioktupon genos,

which translates as -

’darkened by the sun’’ or ''sunburnt'' race

(translation e.g. from: Aeschylus. Aeschylus, with an English translation by Herbert Weir Smyth, Ph. D. in two volumes. 2. Suppliant Women. Herbert Weir Smyth, Ph. D. Cambridge, MA. Harvard University Press. 1926).

Anyone familiar with elementary Greek or scientific words based on Greek knows that the Greek word melanos means black. For example, melanoma, melanocyte, etc. etc. Melanthe is merely an inflection of that word into an effeminate form. Thus a blackened sun-struck race. This makes sense because the Dainades are Africans from Libya, their father Danaus being the king of Libya.
quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:

I don't know. Ask Aeschylus or Morshead.

Danaids per Pelasgus are akin to
* Libyans
* Egyptians
* Cypriotes
* Indians
* Aethiopians
* Arabs
* imaginary Amazons
in the colour of their skin and
nothing at all like the Argives
per Aeschylus' writing for a 5th
century BCE Greek reading audience.

That is the point
w/o your distractions.

no thanks, al~Takruri

There goes that list of peoples allied by color again, so dreaded by lyinass. LOL

I suppose Castrated will consider Aethiopians to be 'tanned' as well. LOL

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I suppose Castrated will consider Aethiopians to be 'tanned' as well. LOL

^^??

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Note: I am not an "Egyptologist" as claimed by some still bitter, defeated, trolls creating fake profiles and posts elsewhere. Hapless losers, you still fail. My output of hard data debunking racist nonsense has actually INCREASED since you began..

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quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
I don't know. Ask Aeschylus or Morshead.

Danaids per Pelasgus are akin to
* Libyans
* Egyptians
* Cypriotes
* Indians
* Aethiopians
* Arabs
* imaginary Amazons
in the colour of their skin and
nothing at all like the Argives
per Aeschylus' writing for a 5th
century BCE Greek reading audience.

That is the point
w/o your distractions.

no thanks, al~Takruri

That's right. And Indians would have been known
to Aeschylus, whose works were influenced by the
Persian invasion of Greece, which took place
during his lifetime. The Persians sometimes used
Indian troops. In any event, the color of the Danaids
as envisioned by Aeschylus, would be dark-skinned,
and they are specifically seen as such. Herodotus
only needed to cite this existing text. Anyone
familar with it, would know how the Danaids were viewed.

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In any case they are linked to Egypt as their daddy is called Aegyptus

Aegyptus commanded that his fifty sons marry the fifty Danaides, and Danaus with his daughters fled to Argos, ruled by Pelasgus or by Gelanor, whom Danaus replaced. When Aegyptus and his sons arrived to take the Danaides, Danaus relinquished them, to spare the Argives the pain of a battle.

The Suppliants, Danaos, fleeing with his daughters, the Danaids, and pursued by his brother Aegyptos with his sons, the Aegyptiads, who seek to wed their cousins by force, climbs a hillock, looks out to sea and describes the Aegyptiads at the oars afar off in these terms: 'I can see the crew with their black limbs and white tunics.

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quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:

quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:

Burnt as in Phaeton permanently scorched 'em with
Phoebus' chariot forever making their progeny black.

Originally posted by alTakruri:

I don't know. Ask Aeschylus or Morshead.

Danaids per Pelasgus are akin to
* Libyans
* Egyptians
* Cypriotes
* Indians
* Aethiopians
* Arabs
* imaginary Amazons
in the colour of their skin and
nothing at all like the Argives
per Aeschylus' writing for a 5th
century BCE Greek reading audience.

That is the point
w/o your distractions.

no thanks, al~Takruri

There goes that list of peoples allied by color again, so dreaded by lyinass. LOL

I suppose Castrated will consider Aethiopians to be 'tanned' as well. LOL [/QB]

Here are some people allied by color:

Cypriot
 -


Indian
 -

Libyan

 -


Arab
 -

Okinowan
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_____________________________________________________________

a different Okinawan person not of the alliance :
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Libyan
 -
Indian
 -
Arab
 -
From lands south of Okinawa
Now cut the cherry picking crap out and get back to the spirit of the thread.

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quote:
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:

Now cut the cherry picking crap out and get back to the spirit of the thread.

you cherry pick also. alTakruri teaches everybody cherry picks.

I put up people who are examples of the ethnicity listed. They aren't the only examples because there is diversity in these nationalities. your examples are nice too.

The point is all of my examples show a similar dark skin tone of these particular individiuals. Djehuti teaches that this skin color forms an alliance, for example a Cypriot, a Libyan and a Mexican who have similar skin tones form an alliance. They have something in common, common skin based goals.

But the 2nd Okinowan I posted previously has light skin. He is not part of the alliance.

quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
list of peoples allied by color

For example look at these additional examples:

this filipino man:
 -

^^^ he can form an alliance with this Peruvian man:
 -

But they couldn't form an alliance with the below other Filipino man because this other guy is white:

 -

Again look at this danaid-like Indian woman:
 -

she could be part of the alliance with the peruvian etc.
but not this other light Indian woman below:


 -
she might be better off in an alliance with the lighter skinned Filipino man


I'm showing the diversity and how the different alliances play out. I think DJ will appreciate this.

The topic here is skin color and we need examples of similar skin color. This needs to be done with unbiased matches.
Forget about one person representing all Arabs or one person representing all Japansese people.
All we need to do is find random people from these countries and match the skin tone. It's the matching that counts not what country they are from. Skin color crosses borders.
For example I gave you two Okinowans and two Filipinos. I'm not saying either one is typical. That's not what this thread is about.
As the title indicates this thread is about color affiliation.
The point is that a given Filipino person's skin tone might be more similar to Peruvian than another Filipino. Therefore that's who they form the alliance with. It's that simple.

here's another example:

this Nigerian
 -


forms an allaince with this Indian:
 -

but not with this medium toned Igbo man:
 -

He's closer to the Cypriot as far as darkness goes.





lioness productions

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Lioness you showed me yours I showed you mine,no need for you to show me yours again Ya basta ya!!! get back on topic already!.
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quote:
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Lioness you showed me yours I showed you mine,no need for you to show me yours again Ya basta ya!!! get back on topic already!.

the topic as the thread states is colour affiliation.
I gave you that. AlTakruri gave us a list of Libyans, Cypriots etc.
I gave you that and expanded on it adding in Djehuti's alliance concept. I gave you the dark skindid Indian danaid type. Now stop the high pitched whining

thank you,

Lp

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^ they form an alliance because of similair or close to skin tone.


Lol such bullshit that is.


In my family we have people with diffenent complexions, going from light to dark. We as a family form an alliance. You imposter clown.

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Danaus and his daughters' skin color in the eyes of the Greeco-Romans, would have been similar to the skin color of some of the priests below (the Egyptian ones):

 -  -

A scene (from Herculaneum),
thought to show a shrine in a
grove dedicated to the Egyptian
goddess Isis, who had a cult
following in Greece and Rome

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quote:
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Clyde winters
quote:
his phrase probably refers to the Buddhist [Gymnosophists] who lived in egypt and the Meroitic empire.
How so? when the Danoi event were recounting early bronze age era.
We do know if it was recounting bronze age events or later events.

What we do know though is that Indians (Gymnosophists) were in Egypt as early as Persian times for sure, and that Blemmyae, a prominent group in the Meroitic Sudan are mentioned in very ancient Pali text, including the Tipitaka and the Vinaya Pitaka, which is dated to the 4th century B.C.E.

These are very old Buddhist text and show an early relationship between Indians and Africans. The Greeks would have been aware of the Indian and African contact so they would not have found mention of both groups as strange.

Reference:

JDM Derrett, (2002) A Blemmya in India, Numen 49:460-474.

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quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
^ they form an alliance because of similair or close to skin tone.


Lol such bullshit that is.


In my family we have people with diffenent complexions, going from light to dark. We as a family form an alliance. You imposter clown.

stop going against Djehuti's teaching.

quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:

peoples allied by color


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quote:
Originally posted by Swenet:
Danaus and his daughters' skin color in the eyes of the Greeco-Romans, would have been similar to the skin color of some of the priests below (the Egyptian ones):

 -  -

A scene (from Herculaneum),
thought to show a shrine in a
grove dedicated to the Egyptian
goddess Isis, who had a cult
following in Greece and Rome

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You guys fell for the distraction (as usual)
as if Lioness' moderns resemble the ancients
Aeschylus refers to.

He envisages the Danaids, from the east parts
of North Africa, as African girls who physically
are nothing in the least like the Greek girls in
any aspect.

There is nothing to consider except the twin
brothers Danaus and Aegyptus descend from
the lady Libya on their father's side and the
lord Nilus on their mother's side in the skein
of Greek mythology.

Belus, son of Libya and Poseidon, ruled from
Chemmis in the Thebaid. He portioned Arabia
(territory east of the Nile) to Aegyptus and
Libya (territory west of the Nile) to Danaus.
Aegyptus suggested a parallel cousin match
of his own and his brother's offspring.

Aegyptus warred against the Melampodes and
reigned over all their land he then named after
himself, Egypt. Danaus suspected Aegyptus'
matrimonial proposal as but a ploy to seize rule
of Libya and fled to Greece with his daughters.

Danaus had 50 daughters on variou mothers,
the most prominent of whom was the princess
of Elephantis and Memphis but also included
Hamadryads, Naiads, and Ethiopians.

Arabians, Libyans, Phoenicians, and so on
were the mothers of Aegyptus' 50 sons and
we note Aeschylus describes them black of
colour even though some had mothers who
were not continental African.

Through Aeschylus eyes we see the -5th c. blacks
were, by the comparative allusion to the Danaids,
in the Greek point of view dwellers in the lands of
* Arabia
* Cyprus
* Egypt
* Libya
* India
* Sudan
which goes to show that just as today not
only were grey-black skins the only blacks
but a full range of brown skin tones from
the reds and blacks, a tone partion still
in use by black peoples in Africa and the
Americas if not also in Arabia and India.


The best response to a completely off the wall
distraction is the silent treatment. Ignoring the
distraction shows it is viewed unworthy of any
serious consideration.

Paying attention to the distraction impedes
incrementing knowledge of the subject and
indeed we have learned nothing about the
Daughters of Danaus and relevant subject
matter since the distractor replied to DJ.

So who really was the winner?


EDIT: I see Swenet and Dr. Winters avoided
distraction while I was composing my post.
Das gut!

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
^ they form an alliance because of similair or close to skin tone.


Lol such bullshit that is.


In my family we have people with diffenent complexions, going from light to dark. We as a family form an alliance. You imposter clown.

stop going against Djehuti's teaching.

quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:

peoples allied by color


You were just bullshiting as always. And the post above is evident of this.
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^ Bullshitting is all she does.
quote:
Originally posted by the lyinass:
Here are some people allied by color:

Cypriot...

Modern day Cypriots are NOT the same as ancient ones lying worm anymore than modern day Delta Egyptians are the same as their much darker ancient ancestors. Population movements, namely immigration of lighter peoples from elsewhere accounts for this but of course you know this but choose to lie anyway.

Funny how you posted a picture of a light-skinned Indian man but then later on a picture of a black Indian girl; however all the Classical records from the Greeks make it clear that ALL Indians were black citing no presence of fair types whatsoever. As for the Philippines of course the aboriginal peoples were black but then you have medium hued types who settled the islands over two thousand years ago and immigrants from northern Asia namely Taiwan and China who settled in the last century. All of this does NOT refute the fact that Aeschylus allied Cypriots, Libyans, Egyptians, Arabs, and Indians along with Aethiopians (Sudanese), unless you want to say Sudanese are of the same complexion as Arab Libyans like Qadaffi or fair-skinned elite Arabs of today's Libya or modern Bollywood Indians, or Afrangi elite Egyptians, you lying twisted worm!

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quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:

You guys fell for the distraction (as usual)
as if Lioness' moderns resemble the ancients
Aeschylus refers to.

He envisages the Danaids, from the east parts
of North Africa, as African girls who physically
are nothing in the least like the Greek girls in
any aspect.

There is nothing to consider except the twin
brothers Danaus and Aegyptus descend from
the lady Libya on their father's side and the
lord Nilus on their mother's side in the skein
of Greek mythology.

Belus, son of Libya and Poseidon, ruled from
Chemmis in the Thebaid. He portioned Arabia
(territory east of the Nile) to Aegyptus and
Libya (territory west of the Nile) to Danaus.
Aegyptus suggested a parallel cousin match
of his own and his brother's offspring.

Aegyptus warred against the Melampodes and
reigned over all their land he then named after
himself, Egypt. Danaus suspected Aegyptus'
matrimonial proposal as but a ploy to seize rule
of Libya and fled to Greece with his daughters.

Danaus had 50 daughters on variou mothers,
the most prominent of whom was the princess
of Elephantis and Memphis but also included
Hamadryads, Naiads, and Ethiopians.

Arabians, Libyans, Phoenicians, and so on
were the mothers of Aegyptus' 50 sons and
we note Aeschylus describes them black of
colour even though some had mothers who
were not continental African.

Even the regions not exactly continental African were still adjacent to Africa. The whole genealogy given is essentially African with exception of Poseidon who really is of neutral ancestry being no more European than African even though he is worshiped as a 'Greek' god. Poseidon and his Olympian siblings were born before humankind and his connection as father to Libya's children suggest an intimate relationship Libya (Africa) had with the sea as the very myth suggest the Dainade voyage to Greece as the first major seafaring incursion in human history.

quote:
Through Aeschylus eyes we see the -5th c. blacks
were, by the comparative allusion to the Danaids,
in the Greek point of view dwellers in the lands of
* Arabia
* Cyprus
* Egypt
* Libya
* India
* Sudan
which goes to show that just as today not
only were grey-black skins the only blacks
but a full range of brown skin tones from
the reds and blacks, a tone partion still
in use by black peoples in Africa and the
Americas if not also in Arabia and India.

Yes of course the list does not mean that all these peoples necessarily had the exact same tones or complexions but that all were similar in that they fell on the very dark extremity as explained in the lyinass's Manilius Quote thread.

quote:
The best response to a completely off the wall
distraction is the silent treatment. Ignoring the
distraction shows it is viewed unworthy of any
serious consideration.

Paying attention to the distraction impedes
incrementing knowledge of the subject and
indeed we have learned nothing about the
Daughters of Danaus and relevant subject
matter since the distractor replied to DJ.

So who really was the winner?

EDIT: I see Swenet and Dr. Winters avoided
distraction while I was composing my post.
Das gut!

I actually see the lyinass's posts not so much of a distraction so much as a lesson in stupidity. Her posts are not only easily debunked but can be turned on its head as good example. Who is the winner? I say ME cuz that lyinass b|tch is still wriggling. Note I brought up her old Manilius thread for good reason. It is a perfect case of how even though she tries to put forth her premise, educated people can examine her premise in a way to turn it inside out.
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Wow...cassiterides thoroughly debunked yet again.
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I probably shouldn't have come into this thead and played into al-Takruri's ongoing skin color classification obsession.

This is scholarship trying to connect people by skin tone?

What relevance is there in that?
That's like picking out all blond haired people and saying they have some kind of affinity towards each other. What affinity besides a randomly chosen superficial trait?

Look at the title of this thread:

Danaus' daughters' colour affiliation

What could be more Eurocentric than considering "colour affiliation" of people and lending authority to the classical Greeks?
What we actually have here reinforcing the seeds of European racism by classifying people by skin color. This is where it started.

"Colour affiliation", what kind of nonsense term is that?

Did you ever stop to think that the concept of "color affiliation" is a racist concept?

lioness

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To counter further distraction I am reposting the
opening post. This thread was broached to avoid
mythology entering a genetics thread where a troll
tried disputing that the Danaids were black (link) hence
this thread's title Danaus' Daughters' colour affiliation.


=-=-=-=-=


It is because of their colour that the Argive king is
suspect of the maidens originally having Argos precedents.


quote:
Yet if this may not be,
We, the dark race sun-smitten, we
Will speed with suppliant wands
To Zeus who rules below, with hospitable hands
Who welcomes all the dead from all the lands:
Yea, by our own hands strangled, we will go,
Spurned by Olympian gods, unto the gods below!

. . .

O stranger maids, I may not trust this word,
That ye have share in this our Argive race.
No likeness of our country do ye bear,
But semblance as of Libyan womankind.
Even such a stock by Nilus' banks might grow;
Yea, and the Cyprian stamp, in female forms,
Shows, to the life, what males impressed the same.
And, furthermore, of roving Indian maids
Whose camping-grounds by Aethiopia lie,
And camels burdened even as mules, and bearing
Riders, as horses bear, mine ears have heard;
And tales of flesh-devouring mateless maids
Called Amazons: to these, if bows ye bare,
I most had deemed you like. Speak further yet,
That of your Argive birth the truth I learn.

. . .

And look, the seamen-all too plain their race -
Their dark limbs gleam from out their snow-white garb;



Aeschylus -525(?) to -456
Suppliant Maidens
translated by E.D.A. Morshead

quote:
Yet, if she will not,
we, a dark, sun-burned race,
with suppliant boughs will
invoke the underworld Zeus,
Zeus the great host of the dead;
for if the gods of Olympus hear us not,
we will hang ourselves.

. . .

Foreign maidens, your tale is beyond my belief —
how your race can be from Argos.
For you are more similar to the women of Libya
and in no way similar to those native to our land.
The Nile, too, might foster such a stock,
and like yours is the Cyprian impress
stamped upon female images by male craftsmen.
And of such aspect, I have heard, are nomad women,
who ride on camels
for steeds, having padded saddles,
and dwell in a land neighboring the Aethiopians.
And had you been armed with the bow,
certainly I would have guessed you to be the unwed,
flesh-devouring Amazons.
But inform me, and I will better comprehend
how it is that you trace your race and lineage from Argos.

. . .

The men on board are plainly seen,
their black limbs showing from their white attire.



Aeschylus
Suppliant Women
translated by Herbert Weir Smyth, Ph. D., Ed

The last segment in each translation describes the girls parallel cousins.
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Aeschylus,
he envisages the Danaids, from the east parts
of North Africa, as African girls who physically
are nothing in the least like the Greek girls in
any aspect.

There is nothing to consider except the twin
brothers Danaus and Aegyptus descend from
the lady Libya on their father's side and the
lord Nilus on their mother's side in the skein
of Greek mythology.

Belus, son of Libya and Poseidon, ruled from
Chemmis in the Thebaid. He portioned Arabia
(territory east of the Nile) to Aegyptus and
Libya (territory west of the Nile) to Danaus.
Aegyptus suggested a parallel cousin match
of his own and his brother's offspring.

Aegyptus warred against the Melampodes and
reigned over all their land he then named after
himself, Egypt. Danaus suspected Aegyptus'
matrimonial proposal as but a ploy to seize rule
of Libya and fled to Greece with his daughters.

Danaus had 50 daughters on variou mothers,
the most prominent of whom was the princess
of Elephantis and Memphis but also included
Hamadryads, Naiads, and Ethiopians.

Arabians, Libyans, Phoenicians, and so on
were the mothers of Aegyptus' 50 sons and
we note Aeschylus describes them black of
colour even though some had mothers who
were not continental African.

Through Aeschylus eyes we see the -5th c. blacks
were, by the comparative allusion to the Danaids,
in the Greek point of view dwellers in the lands of
* Arabia
* Cyprus
* Egypt
* Libya
* India
* Sudan
which goes to show that just as today not
only were grey-black skins the only blacks
but a full range of brown skin tones from
the reds and blacks, a tone partion still
in use by black peoples in Africa and the
Americas if not also in Arabia and India.


I invite posts that reveal more about the
Danaids, Aeschylus and his works, and
any other matter directly bearing on
Danaus' Daughters' Colour Affiliation
with much thanks to on-topic contributors.

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my apologies, I didn't realize you wanted to chat with cassy.
where art thou oh cassy?

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quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
This is all correct. I believe I posted the poem of Phaeton in this forum years ago (if not then some other forum). As Takruri has stated, the myth is basically an explanation for why there are heavily pigmented i.e. BLACK peoples in the world, claiming that Phaeton nearly crashed the chariot of the sun on earth literally scorching the peoples of Libya (Africa including Egypt) as well as Arabia and India all black. You see, that's what the original Classical Greek phrase of 'sun-burnt' meant. It is NOT our modern meaning of fair or white skin being damaged by UV but rather the skin being scorched black or very dark.

Yes. The ancient Greeks/Romans believed very dark skin was a mutation caused by the crash of Phaethon's chariot, this is why they invented an aetiological myth in attempt to explain dark pigmentation.

The fact the ancient greeks believed dark skin was a mutation and was abnormal is simple evidence against afrocentrism. Even as late as Pliny the Elder's day, the ancient greeks were still amazed by the dark skin of the african ethiopian. They couldn't believe it was natural, which is why blacks to the ancient greeks (and later in medieval literature) became the basis of monsters, also given their ugly features such as big lips, wide noses etc.

quis enim Aethiopas antequam cerneret credidit?’’

‘‘for who believed in the Ethiopians before seeing them’’
- Natural History, vii. 6

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alTakruri is posting crap as usual.

The Daniads were white woman. Scholars have rationalised the myth and linked the Danaus myth to the Sea Peoples. The Danaids are connected to Homer's Danaans. There is historical evidence of the Sea Peoples in Greece.

The idea the Danaids were black is not supported by any evidence. There were no blacks in ancient greece apart from slaves. So to identify the daniads as blacks (and not sea peoples) has no historical evidence in favor of that identification. Its only a few crackpot internet afronuts who cling to it.

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^ The Daniads turning dark is similar to what happened to Joseph as described in the Bible. Regardless if that story has a historical basis.

Joseph was a lighter skinned israelite but when he went to egypt he became darker (sunburnt), his relatives after then couldn't recognise him and confused him as an egyptian.

Quite obviously you can't be dark skinned, then turn dark by the sun. The afronuts as usual are posting crazy beliefs.

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Meth addict alert

Quite obviously you can't be dark skinned, then turn dark by the sun.

quote:
Originally posted by element:
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White supremacist constantly have to create rationals for their hatred and inferiority complex

especially when they're hiding a big GAY Secret.
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C-Ass-rides from the front, Come out the closet already you butt-pirate.
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I dug up more info on C-assrides, I found his secret sect of fudge-packing KKK members.Peep this.
Gay KKK meets black family [/QB][/QUOTE]

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SO you are saying the above is a Danaid?

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Back on topic now:
Originally posted by al Takuri:
Foreign maidens, your tale is beyond my belief —
how your race can be from Argos.
For you are more similar to the women of Libya
and in no way similar to those native to our land.
The Nile, too, might foster such a stock,


It is clear from the above, that the Greeks saw
the Danaids as quite unlike standard run-of-
the-mill white GReeks.

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tan/sunburn complexion/Before natural tan.

^ Only white people can turn light to dark.

How do negroids get darker by the sun, so much they are a ''sunburnt race'' ( helioktupon genos) when they are already dark?

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^^ Ignoring the racist crap above
quote:
Originally posted by castrated:

alTakruri is posting crap as usual.

The Daniads were white woman. Scholars have rationalised the myth and linked the Danaus myth to the Sea Peoples. The Danaids are connected to Homer's Danaans. There is historical evidence of the Sea Peoples in Greece.

The only one posting crap is YOU! You claim to be an avid reader and amateur scholar of Classical texts, yet your ignorance of those very texts is laughable. LOL Homer's Danaans of Iliad fame post date the original Danaides by at least 1,000 years and were in fact name after them! The Danaans were named after their predecessors, the Danaan dynasty of Argos founded by the matriarch Hypermnestra a Dainad or daughter of Danaus! The Hellenic Danaans themselves were actually descendants of Indo-European speaking immigrants who settled in the Greek Peninsula and inherited the Mycenaean kingdom from the original Danaans.

The Sea Peoples are a variety of groups who raided the countries bordering the Mediterranean during the Iron Age. Some scholars speculate that among the Sea Peoples were Hellenic Danaans after the Trojan War since texts including the Iliad showed that the Greek veterans engaging in piracy after the war ended. Of course non of this refutes what was said about the identity of the original Dainades.

quote:
The idea the Danaids were black is not supported by any evidence. There were no blacks in ancient greece apart from slaves. So to identify the dainads as blacks (and not sea peoples) has no historical evidence in favor of that identification. Its only a few crackpot internet afronuts who cling to it.
The ancient Argive Cycle of the Greeks specifically states the Dainades were daughters of Danaus whom their eponymous name comes from and Danaus and his daughters were Libyans i.e. from AFRICA. That Aeschylus elaborates on their African origin even more in his play-notes when he dwells on their very dark i.e. black or melanthe skins compared to a peoples like Ethiopians is also very telling.

Your ignorance and stupidity are just as telling. [Wink]

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quote:
Originally posted by the lyinass:

I probably shouldn't have come into this thead and played into al-Takruri's ongoing skin color classification obsession.

This is scholarship trying to connect people by skin tone?

What relevance is there in that?
That's like picking out all blond haired people and saying they have some kind of affinity towards each other. What affinity besides a randomly chosen superficial trait?...

LOL Your lyinass complaints won't make a bit of difference to the FACT that Takruri actually cites passages from the writings of Aeschylus himself connecting people by skin color! You try to make as if your complaint or beef is with him when rather it is with the evidence itself! You did the same thing with the Manilius Quote you tried to take out of context when Takruri busted your lyinass with the rest of the passage also making a connection or alliance among groups of people with black complexions.

Now he does it again with Aeschylus! LOL

quote:
Yet, if she will not,
we, a dark, sun-burned race,
with suppliant boughs will
invoke the underworld Zeus,
Zeus the great host of the dead;
for if the gods of Olympus hear us not,
we will hang ourselves.

. . .

Foreign maidens, your tale is beyond my belief —
how your race can be from Argos.
For you are more similar to the women of Libya
and in no way similar to those native to our land.
The Nile, too, might foster such a stock,
and like yours is the Cyprian impress
stamped upon female images by male craftsmen.
And of such aspect, I have heard, are nomad women,
who ride on camels
for steeds, having padded saddles,
and dwell in a land neighboring the Aethiopians.
And had you been armed with the bow,
certainly I would have guessed you to be the unwed,
flesh-devouring Amazons.
But inform me, and I will better comprehend
how it is that you trace your race and lineage from Argos.

. . .

The men on board are plainly seen,
their black limbs showing from their white attire.



Aeschylus
Suppliant Women
translated by Herbert Weir Smyth, Ph. D., Ed

You can run but you can't hide b|tch! [Big Grin]
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Yepper, and there you have it thanks to research
of various serious ES members we see Aeschylus has

1 - the Danaids themselves proclaim membership in the "dark, sun-burned race"

2 - Pelasgus compare the Danaids to a variety of Africans and other natural darks

3 - Danaus describe his nephews as black skinned though their mothers include Arabs and Phoenicians


So gwan n run 'em on down Mr. DJ!
cos Aeschylus never once says they
belong to the pale sun-starved race
nor compare them to Europeans and
naturally pallid peoples nor describe
their limbs as white. Oh boo hoo [Frown]

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quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Yepper, and there you have it thanks to research
of various serious ES members we see Aeschylus has

1 - the Danaids themselves proclaim membership in the "dark, sun-burned race"

2 - Pelasgus compare the Danaids to a variety of Africans and other natural darks

3 - Danaus describe his nephews as black skinned though their mothers include Arabs and Phoenicians


So gwan n run 'em on down Mr. DJ!
cos Aeschylus never once says they
belong to the pale sun-starved race
nor compare them to Europeans and
naturally pallid peoples nor describe
their limbs as white. Oh boo hoo [Frown]

pathetic, the same people who say there is no such thing as race

run to endorse such Eurocentric terms as "sun-starved race" and
""dark, sun-burned race"

the hypocricy is unbelievable

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^ LMAO [Big Grin] Sorry sore worm, but 'race' as Aeschylus used it in its original definition simply meant a group of people of a shared background or culture NOT the scientific 'race' of the 18th to early 20th century that was a hierarchy of subspecies based on phenotype correlating genotype isolates. The latter is what we don't believe in because it does not exist. The former ancient and original definition is still quite valid.

As for Aeschylus and his fellow Greeks being "Eurocentric", this too is ludicrous since the ancient Greeks unlike modern Eurocentereds who claim to be their cultural descendants held no denigrating views towards Africans but on the contrary acknowledged Africans to be the forebears of early civilization and advanced culture even attributing aspects of their own civilization to Africans. And while the Greeks were certainly ethnocentric themselves, they definitely did not harbor the white supremacist views of modern Euros and acknowledge that all peoples were humans whether they be the sun-starved Hyperboreans of the north or the sun-burnt Aethiopians of the south. We all know that white liars like YOU are the ones so black-phobic as to deny black presence in or around Europe from the Moorish conquest to the Classical Greek realm of the Aegean and the eastern Mediterranean. [Embarrassed]

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