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-Just Call Me Jari-
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Oh wow! You must be serious. The "Occupy" protestors here in U.S. as well as the malcontents in Europe like the U.K. and especially Greece as well as the Muslim immigrant upstarts in Spain have ALL gone beyond their rights of protest when they violate the rights of others through destruction of property and VIOLENCE![/QUOTE]You have GOT to be Kidding me. You are sadly misinformed and what is worse you seem to be driven by your devotion to Right Wing Rhetoric.

1) The Occupy Protesters have in the large NOT been violent, very few have resorted to destroying property.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYQqiyR2THs


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Or is YOUR dose of news and journalism only come from the left-side of the West??
What does this have to do with anything, where do you get your news from, Fox News??

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All these groups have resorted to violence and vandalism,
You are being simply dishonest here. You are brushing the whole protests with a few isolated events.

You are dishonest.

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yet no doubt you accuse the Tea Party of doing this.
I like how you try to uplift the tea party to a higher standard, biased much.

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LOL Mind you Greek malcontents are angry that they have bankrupted their own country since 95% of the jobs are government jobs and ALL are unionized and now that they ran out of money they want other European nations via the EU to bail them out?
Are you serious, The UNIONS bankrupted f-ing Greece?? How deluded are you?? The European Banks, mainly the German Bank Bankrupted Greece.


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Mind you the U.S. is in a similar situation albeit way down the road and not as bad. People like to blame the banks, and not the politicians who pressure them or influence them with things like hedge-funds. It's funny that Occupiers blame Wallstreet when their very movement was funded by George Soros who has made the most money off Wallstreet and has invested in Obama's campaign. It seems funny how they only blame Wallstreet and the Banks while Congress and the Whitehouse get away scot-free.
Your post is full of Right Wing Drivel. The Occupy Movement has not given Congress or the White House a Pass. Many Members of Congress and even Obama have been targeted by the Movement. Further How in Hell did George Soros "Fund" the Occupy movement when the Occupy Movement is Grass Routes and has no Monetary affiliation.

Amazing how you will protect and apologize for the Banks and excuse blatant Police Brutality againt Americans using their right to Free Speech. Yet in the same breath claim that the west if the beacon of Freedom.

Turn Fox News off kid, come back to the real world.

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it seems funny how they only blame Wallstreet and the Banks while Congress and the Whitehouse get away scot-free.
Lie 1 Debunked..

Occupy Protesters Interrupt Obama..

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57329652-503544/mic-check-occupy-protesters-interrupt-obama/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-H69pcOg4U

Occupy WS at Congressman Paul Ryan's Office..

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45577864/ns/local_news-milwaukee_wi/t/wisconsin-occupy-protesters-target-johnson-ryan-dc-offices/#.TvEOHkoho7A

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"He works for us," shouted a protester outside Congressman Paul Ryan's Capitol office. They demanded to be heard but never got into Ryan's office. The protesters are part of a new national movement called "Take Back the Capitol." More than 150 people from Wisconsin traveled 16 hours by bus to confront Congress about the economy and the lack of jobs. "This is an economic emergency for the 99%," said another protester after being denied access.
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/usa/Protesters-in-Washington-to-Take-Back-the-Capitol-135101223.html

Hundreds of Unemployed Storm Capitol Hill to Meet with Congress

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Thousands of Occupy Congress activists have decended on Washington this week to press their agenda of jobs and a fair economy for all. The three days of protests and events was kicked off by a visit to Capitol Hill where hundreds of constituents demanding meetings with their members of Congress. They are angry about the lack of progress on a jobs bill and a host of other economic issues.
Its obvious this lie is nothing but mere propaganda. The Occupy movement inlike the Koch Brother/Fox news Tea Party movement is not affiliated with an Political Party or ideology. Alot of Occupiers don't even want to vote any more because they feel the system is corrupted on Both sides.

SMH..

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^Jari jhari arguing with Gehuti...wtf?

Dr. Jerkyl argues with Mr. Hyde...lol!

Madness on a lower level!

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Djehuti if you are a fiscal or economic conservative this should up-set you it goes against the so called tenants of the "free market" if you can see what those people at Occupy Wall Street is against, this is what it's all about increasing corruption of the body politic by corporations and bankers,and yes there was always corruption but non in ninety yrs of memory that nearly caused a global economic collapse and may still do,with the removal of Glass–Steagall by Bill Clinton a Democrat,and really?? corporations are counted as persons?? here is the deal you can arrest a person but try throwing a corporation in jail but that's exactly what the Bush appointed supreme court judges did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMJ7V3ytEgE
clik me^ ..if after watching this tell me what's wrong with folks getting upset and voicing their frustrations at Wall ST. I am not attaching any labels to you but if you label yourself a conservative it is more likely you are thinking as it used to be not as it is today.

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^^^
And lets be clear Im not personally attaking Dj outside his political leanings. Again he made it clear that he against the "Left" so Im assuming he is "Right" in his political association.

Dj's post was originally for Explorer but I had to comment..but I had to comment as his remarks attacked the Left which I assume I am apart of.


On another thread I asked Djhuti to explain what is wrong with Ron Paul's foreign Policy. Again this is another Talking Point that Fox News and est. republicans parrot... so I want to see what DJ has to say.

so...Explain what is Idiotic about Paul's foreign Policy..

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To vwwvv, I agree with everything in your post EXCEPT the idiotically naivety when it comes to the threat of terrorism and destruction against the U.S. such is the case with Ron Paul. He would be highly electable if it weren't for his idiotic views on foreign policy.


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by James Meadway

A fresh arrival in austerity-stricken Athens over the weekend, the Today programme’s John Humphries joined the ranks of IMF inspectors and faceless ECB technocrats currently descending on Greece.

Unlucky Greece. In a series of interviews, Greeks are told they were “foolish”. Their pensions are “staggeringly generous”. Greece “spent too much for too long”.

This is drivel.

Humphries repeats almost every Greek myth in the Bild handbook.

1) Greece spends less on its public sector, as a share of GDP, than the EU average.
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2010/05/greek_myth_profligacy.html

2) Greeks work amongst the longest hours in Europe, and retire later, on average, than Germans.
http://economicsnewspaper.com/policy/german/french-study-southern-europeans-to-work-longer-and-harder-than-german-31077.html

3) Greek public pensions account for roughly 11% of GDP, around the same as Germany and France:

Public and private pension expenditure
As a percentage of GDP, 2005


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OECD iLibrary: Statistics

This is not a Greek crisis. It’s a European crisis, imposed on Greece. At its heart is the paradoxical weakness of the major European economies.

The creation of the euro fixed relative exchange rates across member countries. Germany entered at a low rate. Greece, like Portugal and Spain, entered at a high rate. German exports became cheap for southern Europe.

Germany and other northern European economies began exporting more and more into southern Europe, creating huge surpluses.

You cannot have a surplus in one country without there being a deficit elsewhere. So, surpluses in northern Europe were matched by deficits in the south. Blaming the debt crisis on Greek deficits makes no more sense than blaming it on German surpluses.

European financial institutions, notably those in France and Germany, recycled surpluses earned in the north as cheap credit for the south, who could, in turn carry on purchasing northern exports.

The crisis burst the whole set up wide open.

The hardships now being visited on ordinary Greeks are not punishments for past sins, despite Humphries’ moralising. They are carrying the burden of a European economic system that is fatally flawed. It remains to be seen how long they will tolerate being made its scapegoats.


James Meadway is a Senior Economist at the NEF.

Busting North-South Stereotypes

By Matthew Dalton

The euro-zone debt crisis has underlined one of Europe’s more enduring stereotypes, namely the division between the hard-working Northern countries versus the lazy South. And these stereotypes have to some degree filtered into the European Union’s policy debate over how to respond to the debt crisis.

But the reality is more complicated than this: recently bailed-out Ireland, for example, does not appear to be in southern Europe. Excluding that inconvenient fact, there are other problems with the hard-working-North-versus-lazy-South narrative.

For example, workers in which EU countries work the longest weeks? Tops are the Greeks, who work on average 42 hours a week. Spain and Portugal aren’t far behind with a work week of around 39 hours. And where is the shortest work week in the EU? That would be in the Netherlands, under 31 hours a week.

Germans on average work just under 36 hours a week, significantly less than the hard-working Greeks they are now bailing out.

What these numbers show is that the southern euro zone’s problems aren’t a result of workers there not working hard enough. The problem instead is lower productivity in the southern rim: In 2009, Greek workers generated just €18.50 per hour worked; for Spain and Portugal, the number is €24.40 and €13.80, respectively.

Dutch workers generated €39.50 and German workers €38.70. Yes, the gap is huge.

But what’s behind it? Is the right move to cut pensions and welfare benefits in the southern euro-zone countries, as the European Commission, the International Monetary Fund and the European Central Bank are urging? This will likely get the southern Europeans to work even more, but it won’t get them to work more productively.

Part of the reason for the divide is that northern workers benefit from better technology and better infrastructure. A Greek worker trained as well as a German worker is still going to be less productive than a German worker because of superior German technology and infrastructure. But how do you narrow the gap in infrastructure and technology?

An interesting example on this front is Ireland. Irish workers are among the EU’s most productive, generating €38.90/hour in 2009. The reason is Ireland’s low corporate tax rate has encouraged multinational firms, chock full of technological know-how, to set up in Ireland. This has boosted the productivity of Irish workers — but unfortunately much of the benefit from this higher productivity isn’t captured by the government through tax revenue; instead it flows out of the country in the form of profits, mainly to U.S. multinational corporations.

But the lesson for the other euro-zone countries is clear. Their workers should either move to where the technology is (Germany, the Netherlands… Finland!). After all, that’s the story of the United States since the middle of the 19th century, when millions of workers from agrarian southern Italy, Ireland and Eastern Europe arrived to work in the booming U.S. industrial machine. Or these governments should get multinational firms to bring their technology to the southern euro zone.

What will be very difficult is getting the southern euro-zone economies to boost their productivity without significant outside help.
http://blogs.wsj.com/brussels/2011/02/14/busting-north-south-stereotypes/

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An (Italian) word of advice for my emotional German friends

The roles of two countries have suddenly been reversed

As recently as 2002 Germany was dubbed «the sick man of Europe». In the same year, the euro became the common currency for 17 EU states – and Germany turned into a country with one of the largest trade surpluses in the world.
http://www.corriere.it/economia/11_dicembre_14/severgnini-financial-times_9f18c610-2636-11e1-97ba-d937a4e61a87.shtml


You probably think that, until recently at least, it was the peripheral countries: thanks to the low interest rates that came courtesy of the union, they got to binge on consumption goods and buy more houses than anyone could have ever needed.

I think you’d be wrong: the really big winner here has been Germany. It is worth remembering that, when the euro was first introduced, Germany had a small trade deficit (Italy had a surplus). Now, Germany has one of the largest trade surpluses in the world.

Two things have happened here.

First, Germany’s export machine has been working with an artificially weak currency (rather like China’s). In theory, currencies reflect the economic strength of the countries they represent. But the euro represents many different countries, so its value reflects the sum of all of their strengths and weaknesses. That makes it much weaker than it would be if it was just a German currency – and much stronger than it was if it was a Greek currency.

That gives Germany an advantage. It gets to sell its goods outside the zone at a discount to the pre-euro price – something that, alongside the undoubted high quality of its goods, gives its manufacturers an unbeatable mixture of quality and value to pitch to customers. In the end, if you want to be a big exporter, it is price that makes the difference – which is, of course, why our own government is so very keen to debase the pound.

Second, the introduction of the euro made borrowing very cheap indeed – much too cheap, in fact – in the peripheral countries and that fuelled a consumption boom. Those in any doubt about the intimate connection between rates and consumption need only spend a few minutes on the internet: they will soon find a great chart produced by Reuters which shows the almost exact correlation between interest rates in Greece and car sales. When rates went down car sales went up. Germany made a lot of the cars in question.

So, not only has Germany benefited from the weak currency for its sales outside the eurozone, it has also done brilliantly out of the low borrowing costs that drove the consumption boom in the poorer nations.

The irony, of course, is that those lower borrowing costs only existed because the market made an implicit assumption that all the eurozone countries – and presumably Germany in particular – were prepared and able to guarantee each other’s debt.

For the last decade, Germany has effectively worked as a vendor financer in Europe, backstopping the debt that everyone else took out to buy its products. The point to bear in mind is this: while, from the outside, it can look like Germany would be better off without peripheral spongers, it probably doesn’t look the same to the country’s businessmen – the euro has been very good to them.

So what next? The euro should survive intact a little longer. European politicians might start being a little kinder to Greece – softening their deal bit by bit. There’ll be more rate cuts. Then – as it becomes clear that recapitalising Europe’s banks is all but impossible without a drastic credit crunch, and that the only way for yields in the sovereign bond markets to be contained is for the ECB to buy them in huge volumes – there will be some kind of large scale quantitative easing.

And then, eventually, there will be large-scale inflation. It probably won’t end well. But, given that Germany’s big businesses have a pretty pressing need to hold the euro together, it isn’t likely to end yet.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/54ae2c06-06dc-11e1-b9cc-00144feabdc0.html

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Portugal raiding pension funds could be sign of things to come in U.S

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/034361_Portugal_pension_funds_austerity.html#ixzz1hBRI0aeo

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Occupy protest in Rome hijacked by rioters who cause damage put at €2m

Italian police search for ringleaders after bomb planted, cars set ablaze and shops looted by violent breakaway group

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/16/rome-riot-damage-ringleaders-police

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Peaceful Protesters Become Terrorists in a Federal Database

When I first read this article, I was completely appalled. The inferences for all of us are huge. Are we already living in a police state? Are all of us reading this, because we are non-conformists, targeted and in terrorist databases?

http://www.naturalnews.com/023798_terrorists_Maryland_death_penalty.html

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The reason why Djehuti defends republican party/conservatism is because he is Filipino, and most Catholic Filipinos are anti communists. I do not know how old he is, but this bad/good guy view does not exist in the real world.
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It seems like the crazy conspiracy theorist may have something VWWVV ,like they say just because you are paranoid doesn't mean someone ain't out to get you.
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^ Are you guys serious??!! "Right Wing Rhetoric"??! LOL And what am I to make of this thread? Left Wing rhetoric??

The whole 'Occupy' movement while having valid intentions and complaints misses that a large part of the blame is on government. Also, I should have been clear, that while I don't denounce the WHOLE movement as violent, there are far more violent elements in it than say the Tea Party which is understandable because the movement has been infiltrated with many anarchists. If YOU Jari are an Occupier, that's fine, but don't close your eyes to the fact that your movement has some issues, and I'm not just talking about the outbreaks of tuberculosis here in Atlanta or ringworm in Santa Cruz or lice in Portland or STDs everywhere else. And let's not get into the sexual assaults happening here and there or the 20 tons of feces produced on the streets including those flung on cars and police. No all of this is not what irks me so much as those who support your movement are the very ones who made the most money off wallstreet.


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You have GOT to be Kidding me. You are sadly misinformed and what is worse you seem to be driven by your devotion to Right Wing Rhetoric.

1) The Occupy Protesters have in the large NOT been violent, very few have resorted to destroying property.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYQqiyR2THs

YOU have got to be kidding! LOL You are sadly confused and mistaken if you think that somehow I'm the one driven by some political rhetoric. I am not a "right-winger" or any winger for that matter but someone who sticks to truth, but I can see that you seem to be blinded by left-wing rhetoric. I should have corrected myself earlier since in regards to the so-called 'Occupy' movement, I don't mean to generalize and paint the whole group as violent. But face the facts, there ARE violent elements among you.

And not surprisingly just as I get from my left-wing friends you bring up that strawman video of that a$$hole cop pepper-spraying those people in the faces. Yet nowhere do post videos of Occupiers attacking the police that are trying to keep order like these:

http://youtu.be/X6zsR6MQSMI

http://youtu.be/azMFdKOlo5Q

Unfortunately such examples above are much more common than your basic police brutality from a-hole cops. I have met and talked to many protestors and they even tell me themselves they try to instigate the police to achieve media martyrdom. What's more is the poor hygiene of many which leads to the outbreak of disease such as tuberculosis here in O-Atlanta or ringworm in O-Santa Cruz, or lice in O-Portland and STDs everywhere else. The only thing I agree with in terms of the Occupy movement is the corruption in Banks and Wall Street; however they leave the government out which is the largest and most crucial part of that corruption. It was the government who allowed such corruption to happen in the first place and folks like Obama gained most of their money from Wall Street. Also, the biggest investor and funder of the Occupy movement is George Soros who also made a lot of money off Wall Street.

This is the reason why the whole Occupy movement is not as legitimate as say the Tea Party let alone the Civil Rights Movement. It is an exploitation of the ignorant or at least those who are partially enlightened or aware what's going on. Further the movement has been further corrupted by anarchist who don't give a damn about anything but want chaos.

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What does this have to do with anything, where do you get your news from, Fox News??
LOL Where do YOU get your news from, CNN or MSNBC?? For your info, I get my news mainly from the internet and radio. What little news I get from TV I get from PBS and BBC and not from the 'major' news networks that are controlled by one wing or another. If it happens to be a serious news event, then I might just tune in to both CNN and Fox to get a gist of what both sides say but other than that, NO.
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You are being simply dishonest here. You are brushing the whole protests with a few isolated events.
In terms of the movements in Europe, and not the Occupy movement in America, no I'm not. The protests have quickly degenerated into riots in Europe and in the case of Greece have been riots all along!

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You are dishonest.
How so?? Please prove me wring, since I like to think of myself as the most, if not one of the most honest person in this whole forum!

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]I like how you try to uplift the tea party to a higher standard, biased much.
Last time I checked, they never got into any trouble with the police because they obey the laws. They don't trash the place, and they leave when their license expires. And last time I checked no disease have broken out among them nor were there any sexual assaults or deaths. Is this not a higher standard to you?? I don't know where the bias is in this??

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Are you serious, The UNIONS bankrupted f-ing Greece?? How deluded are you?? The European Banks, mainly the German Bank Bankrupted Greece.
Let me get this straight. Over 90% of the jobs in Greece are all government jobs which feed off tax money. There are very few jobs that actually make money through profit. Add to that ALL of them are unionized and thus employees get deals with more benefits again from tax money, while the rich of that country hide their money, and you blame the problem on foreign banks like Germany???

Can you explain to me how Germany or its banks are at fault??

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Your post is full of Right Wing Drivel. The Occupy Movement has not given Congress or the White House a Pass. Many Members of Congress and even Obama have been targeted by the Movement. Further How in Hell did George Soros "Fund" the Occupy movement when the Occupy Movement is Grass Routes and has no Monetary affiliation.
Yet, most Occupiers I talk to have said nothing about the Congress or the Presidency, only Wall Street and the banks. Of course there is the National Treasury but not the ones who control them. Of course the Occupy movement is grass roots but some of their money is not as seen from the Tides Center community funding.

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Amazing how you will protect and apologize for the Banks and excuse blatant Police Brutality against Americans using their right to Free Speech. Yet in the same breath claim that the west if the beacon of Freedom.
Since when have I apologized or defended the banks let alone brutality of any kind??!! Perhaps you need to call me out on things I actually said instead of things you imagined me to say. You are beginning to sound trollish.

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Turn Fox News off kid, come back to the real world.
Again, I don't watch it! How about you cut off CNN, MSNBC, ABC, or whatever your leftists providers is and look up the facts instead of attacking ME as some right-wing republican bush-bot out of blind emotionalism!! [Embarrassed]
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quote:
Originally posted by Arwa:

The reason why Djehuti defends republican party/conservatism is because he is Filipino, and most Catholic Filipinos are anti communists. I do not know how old he is, but this bad/good guy view does not exist in the real world.

Let's not get things twisted, which seems to be the order of the day for many like Jari!

I am an independent and NOT a republican nor do I defend and support them anymore than I do the democrats!! I am so-called 'conservative' when it comes to some things, mainly fiscal responsibility but so-called 'liberal' when it comes to other things like social policy. So NO I do not get to be boxed in the conventional left/right categories people are so used to but apparently Jari is boxed in the left.

Me being 'Catholic' has nothing to do with being anti-communist. I am only Catholic in baptism as an infant only and am NOT religious or even a Church goer. I am anti-communist simply for the reason that ALL people should be anti-communist for all the harm that it's done around the world! A perfect example is North Korea. And no I don't want to hear the bullsh|t that it was "done the wrong way". Communism always leads to corruption and dictatorships if not a violation of individual rights in favor of the majority.

As for what you mean by good/bad guy view, I don't know, but there ARE good and bad people in the world and there is a wrong and right NOT a left and right!

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quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:

I am anti-communist simply for the reason that ALL people should be anti-communist for all the harm that it's done around the world! A perfect example is North Korea. And no I don't want to hear the bullsh|t that it was "done the wrong way".

As a matter of fact, that is the case. To deny this, is to be willfully ignorant of the history of "communism".

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Communism always leads to corruption and dictatorships if not a violation of individual rights in favor of the majority.
You only know one brand of communism; its called the Stalinist bureaucracy. How the heck then do you know that "communism" always leads to "corruption and dictatorships?

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if not a violation of individual rights in favor of the majority.
How does one violate individual rights in favor of the majority? Maybe like violation of an individual right to murder someone in favor of the majority right? Elaborate. Isn't the majority's rights being upheld by definition how a democracy works?
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The whole 'Occupy' movement while having valid intentions and complaints misses that a large part of the blame is on government.
A large part of the blame is on inequality and Money in Politics, which is why Wall Street is a target.

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Also, I should have been clear, that while I don't denounce the WHOLE movement as violent, there are far more violent elements in it than say the Tea Party which is understandable because the movement has been infiltrated with many anarchists.
The Tea Party was a Right Wing reaction against healthcare reform. The Tea Party had a set goal of Ideas, LEaders, and Funders and Sponsors(Fox News and the Koch Brothers) while the Occupy movement is leaderless and open to any person. Again any violence is small compared the peaceful protests.


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If YOU Jari are an Occupier, that's fine, but don't close your eyes to the fact that your movement has some issues, and I'm not just talking about the outbreaks of tuberculosis here in Atlanta or ringworm in Santa Cruz or lice in Portland or STDs everywhere else. And let's not get into the sexual assaults happening here and there or the 20 tons of feces produced on the streets including those flung on cars and police. No all of this is not what irks me so much as those who support your movement are the very ones who made the most money off wallstreet.
Im not an occupier as I live in a Conservative state where the Occupy movement gathered little participation. As for you accusimg me of "Ignoring or Closing my eyes" to the fault of the movement is redundant. You act like every single person is doing the things you mention. Also your comment about The Occupy movement being funded by Wallstreets is absurd as the Occupy movement has no leader.


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YOU have got to be kidding! LOL You are sadly confused and mistaken if you think that somehow I'm the one driven by some political rhetoric. I am not a "right-winger" or any winger for that matter but someone who sticks to truth, but I can see that you seem to be blinded by left-wing rhetoric.
You sit up here and post a bunch of Fox News Branded non sense and claim you are not driven by political Rhetoric. How in hell am I driven by Left Wing Rhetoric when I have probably been the most outspoken against Obama and the Democrats on E.S.

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And not surprisingly just as I get from my left-wing friends you bring up that strawman video of that a$$hole cop pepper-spraying those people in the faces. Yet nowhere do post videos of Occupiers attacking the police that are trying to keep order like these:
First off learn what a "Strawman Fallacy" is. Second, how are you gonna sit up here and call me posting video showing a clear example of police abuse(Which goes against your original comment and position before you back tracked) as a "Strawman" yet turn around and do the same thing.

If you had read my comment in context you would see that I never denied there were violence within the Occupy Movement. Sadly this is the drawback to the movement, anyone can join and the fact that they have no leader means anyone can represent the movement.

Again I already recognized that the movement had some Violence in Nonsense from my first response to you. What I reject and what you have failed to prove is that every single Occupier is Violent or that majority of the movement is violent.


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Unfortunately such examples above are much more common than your basic police brutality from a-hole cops. I have met and talked to many protestors and they even tell me themselves they try to instigate the police to achieve media martyrdom.
Yeah, You talked to every single Occupier. Sure I believe you.

Occupiers Clean up after a Vandalism..

http://current.com/shows/the-young-turks/videos/occupy-oakland-cleaning-up-after-damage-to-community-businesses


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The only thing I agree with in terms of the Occupy movement is the corruption in Banks and Wall Street; however they leave the government out which is the largest and most crucial part of that corruption. It was the government who allowed such corruption to happen in the first place and folks like Obama gained most of their money from Wall Street. Also, the biggest investor and funder of the Occupy movement is George Soros who also made a lot of money off Wall Street.
Its funny how you Bring up Obama and don't mention Bush or McCain or Romney or even the Tea Party Candidates. As I said you are Simply a Right Winger driven by agenda. Once you get a Repbulican in Office Im sure eveything will be fine for you.

Your opinions on the Occupy movement are just that Opinions. Your ranting about George Soros funding the movement is further Redundant as the movement has no damn leader for the 5th time. The Tea Party was funded by Fox News as well as the Koch Brothers yet not one peep from you.


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This is the reason why the whole Occupy movement is not as legitimate as say the Tea Party let alone the Civil Rights Movement. It is an exploitation of the ignorant or at least those who are partially enlightened or aware what's going on. Further the movement has been further corrupted by anarchist who don't give a damn about anything but want chaos.
First off lets be clear, don't sit here an envoke the Civil Rights movement as If you would have supported it had you lived during that era. Very few Southern Conservatives such as you supported the Civil Rights movement. So lets make that Clear.

Second The Occupy movement is just the beggining. If CEO's and Corporatists continue to destroy our economy and our rights the more people will push back.


quote:What does this have to do with anything, where do you get your news from, Fox News??

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LOL Where do YOU get your news from, CNN or MSNBC?? For your info, I get my news mainly from the internet and radio. What little news I get from TV I get from PBS and BBC and not from the 'major' news networks that are controlled by one wing or another. If it happens to be a serious news event, then I might just tune in to both CNN and Fox to get a gist of what both sides say but other than that, NO.
I don't watch CNN nor MSNBC. My news comes from the Internet.


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In terms of the movements in Europe, and not the Occupy movement in America, no I'm not. The protests have quickly degenerated into riots in Europe and in the case of Greece have been riots all along!
Really where have you proven that the Occupy Movement is violent. As to the Riots in Europe which had nothing to do with the Occupy Movement and the same with Greece is irrelevent and a strawman.

Another Peaceful movement is the Egyptian Protests which is where the Occupy Movement stemmed from.

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Let me get this straight. Over 90% of the jobs in Greece are all government jobs which feed off tax money. There are very few jobs that actually make money through profit. Add to that ALL of them are unionized and thus employees get deals with more benefits again from tax money, while the rich of that country hide their money, and you blame the problem on foreign banks like Germany???

Can you explain to me how Germany or its banks are at fault??

Why the hell should I explain anything to You. VWWV already posting info debunking your Right Wing Conservative lies. And many other Economists have shown that it was the Banks that Bankrupted Greece. Its almost absurd to take something as Braindead as what you are claiming serious. You have Ireland, Iceland, Spain, Portugal etc all Reeling and hurting are they controlled by Evil Unions as well??


quote:Your post is full of Right Wing Drivel. The Occupy Movement has not given Congress or the White House a Pass. Many Members of Congress and even Obama have been targeted by the Movement. Further How in Hell did George Soros "Fund" the Occupy movement when the Occupy Movement is Grass Routes and has no Monetary affiliation.

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Yet, most Occupiers I talk to have said nothing about the Congress or the Presidency, only Wall Street and the banks. Of course there is the National Treasury but not the ones who control them. Of course the Occupy movement is grass roots but some of their money is not as seen from the Tides Center community funding.
How many times do I have to tell you the Occupy Movement has not leader nor a face. The people you claim to talk to don't represent the movement. I posted examples of the movement targeting Obama as well as Congress. And I doubt someone such as yourself with his nose in the air looking down on the Occupiers would go out and talk to people he looks up as "Ignorant", "Violent", without only going to prove a fixed notion or belief or push an agenda. You seem to hear and see what you want to.


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Since when have I apologized or defended the banks let alone brutality of any kind??!! Perhaps you need to call me out on things I actually said instead of things you imagined me to say. You are beginning to sound trollish.
Read your posts.

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Again, I don't watch it! How about you cut off CNN, MSNBC, ABC, or whatever your leftists providers is and look up the facts instead of attacking ME as some right-wing republican bush-bot out of blind emotionalism!!
To sit up and claim I watch CNN, MSNBC etc after seeing me Critisize Obama and the Dems. the past 2/3 yrs means you are simply wrong. My record proves I am not in favor of any Political Party and as a matter of fact I have advocated a 3rd Party, such as the Green Party.

Your rhetoric is Righ Wing crap peddled by Fox News, if you watch the program or not Im sure yoe get your news from that Corporation.

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But will the Occupy movement make any meaningful
difference against entrenched bureaucratic, political
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