I have always wondered why Africa: the birthplace of modern man, the landmass with the longest continual habitation of humans, has never advanced to any great degree. It has always been that Africans achieved greatness AFTER they left Africa. (Egyptians and Nubians excepted).
Forgetting all the great Black civilizations all over the world for a moment: Even the Berbers, once they left Africa they did this:
But once back in Africa they did nothing comparable.
Which leads me to believe that there is something inherent in African tribalism and it's jealousies which acts to stifle advancement.
I have proven this in the behavior of the ignorant Negro. His mindset is obvious: since he is Black and ignorant, then how could anyone like him (Black) be smart? And he acts on this belief, you would find that he will ignore the teaching of another Black in favor of the teachings of an Albino.
Now in answer to your question:
They lived in Europe, they spoke the European languages, they created the European cultures, they were the nobility and the elites.
What logical reason could you possibility have for doubting that they were indigenous Europeans?
The fact is there is no logical reason; you are merely displaying African tribalism and it's jealousies. [/QB]
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Mike overlooks the obvious (purposefully, of course). Blacks outside Africa are admixed with European Whites. It is the European blood in these Blacks that gives them the cognitive means to achieve levels of success true African Negroes can't.
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Mike, you should consider that Africa was European colony for a long time and today continues to be exploited by Europe and the USA (neo-colonialism). In Zimbabwe for example there is the economic blockade. All this hinders the growth and development of Africa
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The africa was the source of slaves to Europe and their colonies. Africans in the diaspora have done great things contributed in music, inventions, etc.. Africa is still struggling for their independence
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@confirming truth Mike overlooks the obvious (purposefully, of course). Blacks outside Africa are admixed with European Whites. It is the European blood in these Blacks that gives them the cognitive means to achieve levels of success true African Negroes can't.
Your comment reveals some sort of mental illness. Get help.
But before you do, maybe you could explain why Nigerians and other West Africans educationally do better than African-Americans and British Afro-Caribbeans?
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quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: Mike overlooks the obvious (purposefully, of course). Blacks outside Africa are admixed with European Whites. It is the European blood in these Blacks that gives them the cognitive means to achieve levels of success true African Negroes can't.
So this explains why you are so dumb! lol
This is the earliest known image of a person of African descent living in London. 'John Blanc' first appears in the records in 1507 as a musician at the court of Henry VII paid 8d a day. He is seen here at a tournament to celebrate the birth of a son to King Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragon. (reproduced with permission from the College of Arms)
02. Burial of Margaret, a Moor, St Martin-in-the-Fields, 1571
Parish registers are one of the best sources for tracing black people in London. This burial entry is the earliest known reference to a black woman living in Westminster.
quote:Originally posted by claus3600: @confirming truth Mike overlooks the obvious (purposefully, of course). Blacks outside Africa are admixed with European Whites. It is the European blood in these Blacks that gives them the cognitive means to achieve levels of success true African Negroes can't.
Your comment reveals some sort of mental illness. Get help.
But before you do, maybe you could explain why Nigerians and other West Africans educationally do better than African-Americans and British Afro-Caribbeans?
lol I was about the write that. But you thankfully already did! However, statistically they do even better than Asian groups.
quote:Originally posted by malibudusul: Mike, you should consider that Africa was European colony for a long time and today continues to be exploited by Europe and the USA (neo-colonialism). In Zimbabwe for example there is the economic blockade. All this hinders the growth and development of Africa
Except for south Africa, in most places European colonization lasted for less than a hundred years. Their condition is what makes it seem like it was a lot longer.
The fact is that European colonization may have been the best thing that could have happened to them. It allowed them to jettison the old ruling classes, attain some level of common purpose in fighting the Europeans, and establish some level of participatory government.
Now if they could only shake loose from the tribalism and Islam, then they would probably be okay.
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quote:Originally posted by malibudusul: Mike, you should consider that Africa was European colony for a long time and today continues to be exploited by Europe and the USA (neo-colonialism). In Zimbabwe for example there is the economic blockade. All this hinders the growth and development of Africa
Except for south Africa, in most places European colonization lasted for less than a hundred years. Their condition is what makes it seem like it was a lot longer.
The fact is that European colonization may have been the best thing that could have happened to them. It allowed them to jettison the old ruling classes, attain some level of common purpose in fighting the Europeans, and establish some level of participatory government.
Now if they could only shake loose from the tribalism and Islam, then they would probably be okay.
Mike what is your definition of tribalism?
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^What a silly question.
Rwanda is the perfect example of tribalism.
Nigeria is a good example of the problem with Islam.
I know Nigerians. The problem there is no so tribal, but more so religious.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^What, you're Lioness Jr. now? Get lost.
Thats what i thought you cant even explain yourself,now stop worrying about African people and go worry about your 'Black Europeans ancestors' lol
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Why is it when whites (Irish & English) are at war or fighting with each other they call it ethnic conflict yet when two black groups (Asante & ewe) are at war or fighting they call it tribalism??
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asante-Korton - It is bad enough that you are such an ignorant Negro that you do not know what "Tribalism" means.
But to compound that, by publicly showing that you even lack the intelligence to look-up words that you do not understand - and see nothing wrong with showing such laziness and dim-witted stupidity!
Well, doesn't that, and you, prove what I said about "The Ignorant Negro"?
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: asante-Korton - It is bad enough that you are such an ignorant Negro that you do not know what "Tribalism" means.
But to compound that, by publicly showing that you even lack the intelligence to look-up words that you do not understand - and see nothing wrong with showing such laziness and dim-witted stupidity!
Well, doesn't that, and you, prove what I said about "The Ignorant Negro"?
I am sorry im not very familiar with the albinos dictionary perhaps you can answer this for me?
quote:Why is it when whites (Irish & English) are at war or fighting with each other they call it ethnic conflict yet when two black groups (Asante & ewe) are at war or fighting they call it tribalism??
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^Everything must be measured in relation to the Albinos eh?
How one can be such a captive slave (mentally), and seemingly have no clue of it, is a mystery to me.
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quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: Mike overlooks the obvious (purposefully, of course). Blacks outside Africa are admixed with European Whites. It is the European blood in these Blacks that gives them the cognitive means to achieve levels of success true African Negroes can't.
Yep.
African-Americans are on average 12 - 15 % White.
It's why their IQ's are higher than pure-blooded Negroids in sub-sahara africa -
Still though the African-American is far lower in IQ than a pure-blooded Caucasoid/White.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^Everything must be measured in relation to the Albinos eh?
How one can be such a captive slave (mentally), and seemingly have no clue of it, is a mystery to me.
Notice how you cant answer this question?
quote:Why is it when whites (Irish & English) are at war or fighting with each other they call it ethnic conflict yet when two black groups (Asante & ewe) are at war or fighting they call it tribalism??
quote:Originally posted by You Are Bored.: deal with it
Disgusting.
Kim Kardashian however isn't even white, she's heavily Cherokee (Amerindian) admixed, its what gives her an alleged 'exotic' look which apparently many men like. I personally though think she is ugly. Google image kim without makeup on, and you will see her real face. She looks even more amerindian without her makeup on and her face isn't pleasant.
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quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: Mike overlooks the obvious (purposefully, of course). Blacks outside Africa are admixed with European Whites. It is the European blood in these Blacks that gives them the cognitive means to achieve levels of success true African Negroes can't.
Yep.
African-Americans are on average 12 - 15 % White.
It's why their IQ's are higher than pure-blooded Negroids in sub-sahara africa -
Still though the African-American is far lower in IQ than a pure-blooded Caucasoid/White.
Do African immigrants make the smartest Americans? The question may sound outlandish, but if you were judging by statistics alone, you could find plenty of evidence to back it up.
In a side-by-side comparison of 2000 census data by sociologist John R. Logan at the Mumford Center, State University of New York at Albany, black immigrants from Africa average the highest educational attainment of any population group in the country, including whites and Asians.
For example, 43.8 percent of African immigrants had achieved a college degree, compared to 42.5 of Asian Americans, 28.9 percent for immigrants from Europe, Russia and Canada, and 23.1 percent of the U.S. population as a whole.
That defies the usual stereotypes of Asian Americans as the only “model minority.” Yet the traditional American narrative has rendered the high academic achievements of black immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean invisible, as if it were a taboo topic.
Instead, we should take a closer look. That was my reaction in 2004 after black Harvard law professor Lani Guinier and Henry Louis Gates Jr., chairman of Harvard’s African-American studies department, stirred a black Harvard alumni reunion with questions about precisely where the university’s new black students were coming from.
About 8 percent, or 530, of Harvard’s undergraduates were black, they said, but somewhere between one-half and two-thirds of black undergraduates were “West Indian and African immigrants or their children, or to a lesser extent, children of biracial couples.”
If we take a closer look, I said then, I bet we’ll find that Harvard is not alone. With all of the ink and airwaves that have been devoted to immigration these days, black immigrants remain remarkably invisible. Yet their success has long followed the patterns of other high-achieving immigrants.
As one immigrant Jamaican friend once told me, “I’m too busy working two jobs to worry about the white man’s racism.”
Now comes a new study that finds a consistent pattern of Ivy League and other elite colleges and universities boosting their black student populations by enrolling large numbers of immigrants from Africa, the West Indies and Latin America.
Immigrants, who make up 13 percent of the nation’s college-age black population, account for more than a quarter of black students at Ivy League and other elite universities, according to the study of 28 selective colleges and universities. The authors of the study, published recently in the American Journal of Education, included Douglas S. Massey of Princeton University and Camille Z. Charles of the University of Pennsylvania. The proportion of immigrants was higher at private institutions, 28.8 percent, than at the public ones, where they comprised 23.1 percent of enrollment.
Are elite schools padding their racial diversity numbers with black immigrants who do not have a history of American slavery in their families? This development immediately calls into question whether affirmative action admission policies are fulfilling their original intent.
But as Walter Benn Michaels, a professor of English at the University of Illinois at Chicago, writes in his book “The Trouble With Diversity: How We Learned to Love Identity and Ignore Inequality,” the original intent of affirmative action morphed back in the 1970s from reparations for slavery into the promotion of a broader virtue: “diversity.” Since then, it no longer seems to matter how many of your college’s black students had slavery in their families. It only matters that they are black.
That said, I don’t begrudge black immigrants or any other high-achieving immigrants for their impressive achievements. I applaud them. I encourage more native-born American children, particularly my own child, to take similar advantage of this country’s hard-won opportunities.
But I also think we need to revisit the meaning of “diversity.” Unlike our current system of feel-good game-playing, we need to focus on the deeper question of how education can be improved and opportunities opened up to those who were left behind by the civil rights revolution.
We tend to look too often at every aspect of diversity except economic class. Yet, the dream of upward mobility is an essential part of how we Americans like to think of ourselves.
It’s also why a lot more people are trying to get into this country than trying to get out
quote:Originally posted by You Are Bored.: deal with it
Disgusting.
Kim Kardashian however isn't even white, she's heavily Cherokee (Amerindian) admixed, its what gives her an alleged 'exotic' look which apparently many men like. I personally though think she is ugly. Google image kim without makeup on, and you will see her real face. She looks even more amerindian without her makeup on and her face isn't pleasant.
Kim kardashian is Armenian not Amerindian you idiot, she only has 6% native American DNA and 94% as you would say Caucasoid DNA
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quote:As one immigrant Jamaican friend once told me, “I’m too busy working two jobs to worry about the white man’s racism.”
Yeah because A.Americans are all sitting around not working worrying about the White man. Last I checked AA have our own middle and upper classes, and we pretty much paved the way for his Jamaican ass to come here and "Work two Jobs"...
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You're another one nursing some sort of mental illness...
You haven't answered the question as to why Nigerians and other West Africans tend to be educationally more successful than African-Americans and UK Afro-Caribbeans. Why is that?
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Immigrants tend to do better than native populations in general, because of the selectivity. An Immigrant is also has more to lose so they will work harder than natives. Other than that, the fact that Africans our preform Asians and other immigrants simply blows the whole I.Q debate out the water...
The question should be why are Africans outpreforming other immigrants.
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My question is specifically targetted at the suggestion that admixed blacks in the diaspora are more intelligent than 'pure' black Africans.
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quote:As one immigrant Jamaican friend once told me, “I’m too busy working two jobs to worry about the white man’s racism.”
Yeah because A.Americans are all sitting around not working worrying about the White man. Last I checked AA have our own middle and upper classes, and we pretty much paved the way for his Jamaican ass to come here and "Work two Jobs"...
It was only one guys opinion im sure he doesn't speak for all Jamaicans
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A friend of mine, Nigerian-American, privately educated in the UK and whose father was a diplomat, told me that Nigerians in the US have been able to piggy-back off the civil rights movement.
It also should go without saying that despite the sometimes macabre socio-economic realities impacting on African-American communities, they do have the largest black middle-class in the world.
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quote:Originally posted by claus3600: A friend of mine, Nigerian-American, privately educated in the UK and whose father was a diplomat, told me that Nigerians in the US have been able to piggy-back off the civil rights movement.
It also should go without saying that despite the sometimes macabre socio-economic realities impacting on African-American communities, they do have the largest black middle-class in the world.
How did they get a piggy back off the civil rights movement?
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I would imagine it's because the ending of legalised racism opened up opportunities for them.
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Yes, but alot of these articles are written by folks trying to uplift Africans/Black Immigrants at the expense of African Americans. Im all for black Immigrants doing well, but African Americans have our middle and Upper class.
quote:Originally posted by asante-Korton:
quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-:
quote:As one immigrant Jamaican friend once told me, “I’m too busy working two jobs to worry about the white man’s racism.”
Yeah because A.Americans are all sitting around not working worrying about the White man. Last I checked AA have our own middle and upper classes, and we pretty much paved the way for his Jamaican ass to come here and "Work two Jobs"...
It was only one guys opinion im sure he doesn't speak for all Jamaicans
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^What, you're Lioness Jr. now? Get lost.
Thats what i thought you cant even explain yourself,now stop worrying about African people and go worry about your 'Black Europeans ancestors' lol
quote:Notice how you cant answer this question?
Why is it when whites (Irish & English) are at war or fighting with each other they call it ethnic conflict yet when two black groups (Asante & ewe) are at war or fighting they call it tribalism??
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^What, you're Lioness Jr. now? Get lost.
Thats what i thought you cant even explain yourself,now stop worrying about African people and go worry about your 'Black Europeans ancestors' lol
quote:Notice how you cant answer this question?
Why is it when whites (Irish & English) are at war or fighting with each other they call it ethnic conflict yet when two black groups (Asante & ewe) are at war or fighting they call it tribalism??
lol
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^Everything must be measured in relation to the Albinos eh?
How one can be such a captive slave (mentally), and seemingly have no clue of it, is a mystery to me.
TruthAndRights - Why did you leave my answer out?
He,he,he, You didn't understand it, and neither did he.
Which brings me to another observation on "The Ignorant Negro".
The Cockney will have his say, but with a certain guarded restrain, because he knows that there are people far more knowledgeable than he, and he fears ridicule if he goes too far. He knows that he is ignorant in other words.
The American southerner will have his say, but with a certain guarded restrain, because he knows that there are people far more knowledgeable than he, and he fears ridicule if he goes too far. He knows that he is ignorant in other words.
"The Ignorant Negro" shows no such restrain, because he doesn't know that he or she is ignorant.
The reason for this is because "The Ignorant Negro" is rarely corrected. Blacks, especially in Albino societies, have a tendency to be "Overly" tolerant of "The Ignorant Negro", ostensibly in the interests of unity. But in my opinion, it just serves to "Dumb Down" the entire populations.
quote:Originally posted by asante-Korton: [QUOTE]Originally posted by claus3600: A friend of mine, Nigerian-American, privately educated in the UK and whose father was a diplomat, told me that Nigerians in the US have been able to piggy-back off the civil rights movement.
It also should go without saying that despite the sometimes macabre socio-economic realities impacting on African-American communities, they do have the largest black middle-class in the world.
How did they get a piggy back off the civil rights movement? [/QUOTE
quote:Originally posted by asante-Korton: Kim kardashian is Armenian not Amerindian you idiot, she only has 6% native American DNA and 94% as you would say Caucasoid DNA
Only her ancestry on her fathers side is Armenian. Secondly 6% is high admixture.
It only takes a very small % to alter someone's phenotype. Kim is phenotypically not Caucasoid, her bone structure, especially in the face looks Mongoloid. This has been discussed all over the net on most anthropology forums.
No anthro forum i have ever been on classifies Kim as Caucasoid.
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No, I won't....Yuh mussi drink mad puss piss this mawnin...
now...
I didn't post your answer because it wasn't relevant in that I was LAUGHING OFFA YUH LOONY RASS...dem ah tek it tuh yuh baxide and yuh know it yuh mad clown....
In the bigger picture, you're a sorry-azz Black Man who doesn't even real-eyes his own deep feelings of inferiority and self-hatred; who has no sense of Black Unity has no real apparent care for the Black Community nor respect for Black Women...who clearly thru his own words thinks more like the same yte people he claims to hate so much...no one cuda ever mistake you for a Conscious Black Man...yet...you have the nerve to parade round 'ere like you are the Ambassador of Blackness- and that you are certainly not smh lol...that being said, guh suck yuh madda wid a straw...
now...
Therefore, please consider yourself dismissed...(which shouldn't be anything new to you)...I suggest from here on out you continue to go back to see me but no see me...ok...
now...
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That's retarded though, that all blacks in the Americas and Europe are mixed..
Who said anything about all blacks in the Americas and Europe being mixed? I'm speaking specifically about African-Americans and UK Afro-Caribbeans. Most of the people in these two groups do have admixture. (Along with most of the black people found in the Americas.)
To recall. The suggestion is that admixed blacks are more intelligent than 'pure-blooded' black Africans. Admixed blacks are more representative of the black population in the AA and UK Afro-Carribean communities, and Non-admixed blacks are more representative of the Nigerian/West African community.
So the question stands. Why are (generally 'unmixed') Nigerians/West Africans educationally more succesful than (generally admixed) African-Americans and UK Afro-Carribeans?
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No anthro forum i have ever been on classifies Kim as Caucasoid
Leaving aside my disbelief that Kim Kardashian's racial 'category' is the widespread topic of discussion on anthro forums, I thought you argued that despite having dark brown skin, the Egyptians could still qualify as caucasian/caucasoid or whatever catch-all you resort to.
But not Kim in this instance?
(Note to self: do not waste time debating with mentally ill white racists on the internet.)
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No, I won't....Yuh mussi drink mad puss piss this mawnin...
now...
I didn't post your answer because it wasn't relevant in that I was LAUGHING OFFA YUH LOONY RASS...dem ah tek it tuh yuh baxide and yuh know it yuh mad clown....
In the bigger picture, you're a sorry-azz Black Man who doesn't even real-eyes his own deep feelings of inferiority and self-hatred; who has no sense of Black Unity has no real apparent care for the Black Community nor respect for Black Women...who clearly thru his own words thinks more like the same yte people he claims to hate so much...no one cuda ever mistake you for a Conscious Black Man...yet...you have the nerve to parade round 'ere like you are the Ambassador of Blackness- and that you are certainly not smh lol...that being said, guh suck yuh madda wid a straw...
now...
Therefore, please consider yourself dismissed...(which shouldn't be anything new to you)...I suggest from here on out you continue to go back to see me but no see me...ok...
now...
Have a Nice Day
The "The Ignorant Negro" also thinks that failure to master the native language is in some way denoting "Authenticity" of some kind. "The Ignorant Negro" fails to understand that slaves spoke like that because they could no better do, NOT because they wanted to. In their native languages, they spoke fluently and normally in every way.
Which of course begs the question: Why would a rational person want to emulate the language of uneducated slaves from centuries past, when the slaves themselves wanted so much to receive education and thusly improve their chances of success?
It only makes sense to "The Ignorant Negro".
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Tribe has no coherent meaning. What is a tribe? The Zulu in South Africa, whose name and common identity was forged by the creation of a powerful state less than two centuries ago, and who are a bigger group than French Canadians, are called a tribe. So are the !Kung hunter-gatherers of Botswana and Namibia, who number in the hundreds. The term is applied to Kenya's Maasai herders and Kikuyu farmers, and to members of these groups in cities and towns when they go there to live and work.
Tribe is used for millions of Yoruba in Nigeria and Benin, who share a language but have an eight-hundred year history of multiple and sometimes warring city-states, and of religious diversity even within the same extended families. Tribe is used for Hutu and Tutsi in the central African countries of Rwanda and Burundi. Yet the two societies (and regions within them) have different histories. And in each one, Hutu and Tutsi lived interspersed in the same territory. They spoke the same language, married each other, and shared virtually all aspects of culture. At no point in history could the distinction be defined by distinct territories, one of the key assumptions built into "tribe."
Tribe is used for groups who trace their heritage to great kingdoms. It is applied to Nigeria's Igbo and other peoples who organized orderly societies composed of hundreds of local communities and highly developed trade networks without recourse to elaborate states. Tribe is also used for all sorts of smaller units of such larger nations, peoples or ethnic groups. The followers of a particular local leader may be called a tribe. Members of an extended kin-group may be called a tribe. People who live in a particular area may be called a tribe. We find tribes within tribes, and cutting across other tribes. Offering no useful distinctions, tribe obscures many. As a description of a group, tribe means almost anything, so it really means nothing.
If by tribe we mean a social group that shares a single territory, a single language, a single political unit, a shared religious tradition, a similar economic system, and common cultural practices, such a group is rarely found in the real world. These characteristics almost never correspond precisely with each other today, nor did they at any time in the past.
Tribe promotes a myth of primitive African timelessness, obscuring history and change.
The general sense of tribe as most people understand it is associated with primitiveness. To be in a tribal state is to live in a uncomplicated, traditional condition. It is assumed there is little change. Most African countries are economically poor and often described as less developed or underdeveloped. Westerners often conclude that they have not changed much over the centuries, and that African poverty mainly reflects cultural and social conservatism. Interpreting present day Africa through the lens of tribes reinforces the image of timelessness. Yet the truth is that Africa has as much history as anywhere else in the world. It has undergone momentous changes time and again, especially in the twentieth century. While African poverty is partly a product of internal dynamics of African societies, it has also been caused by the histories of external slave trades and colonial rule.
In the modern West, tribe often implies primitive savagery.
When the general image of tribal timelessness is applied to situations of social conflict between Africans, a particularly destructive myth is created. Stereotypes of primitiveness and conservative backwardness are also linked to images of irrationality and superstition. The combination leads to portrayal of violence and conflict in Africa as primordial, irrational and unchanging. This image resonates with traditional Western racialist ideas and can suggest that irrational violence is inherent and natural to Africans. Yet violence anywhere has both rational and irrational components. Just as particular conflicts have reasons and causes elsewhere, they also have them in Africa. The idea of timeless tribal violence is not an explanation. Instead it disguises ignorance of real causes by filling the vacuum of real knowledge with a popular stereotype.
Images of timelessness and savagery hide the modern character of African ethnicity, including ethnic conflict.
The idea of tribe particularly shapes Western views of ethnicity and ethnic conflict in Africa, which has been highly visible in recent years. Over and over again, conflicts are interpreted as "ancient tribal rivalries," atavistic eruptions of irrational violence which have always characterized Africa. In fact they are nothing of the sort. The vast majority of such conflicts could not have happened a century ago in the ways that they do now. Pick almost any place where ethnic conflict occurs in modern Africa. Investigate carefully the issues over which it occurs, the forms it takes, and the means by which it is organized and carried out. Recent economic developments and political rivalries will loom much larger than allegedly ancient and traditional hostilities.
Ironically, some African ethnic identities and divisions now portrayed as ancient and unchanging actually were created in the colonial period. In other cases earlier distinctions took new, more rigid and conflictual forms over the last century. The changes came out of communities' interactions within a colonial or post-colonial context, as well as movement of people to cities to work and live. The identities thus created resemble modern ethnicities in other countries, which are also shaped by cities, markets and national states.
Tribe substitutes a generalized illusion for detailed analysis of particular situations.
The bottom-line problem with the idea of tribe is that it is intellectually lazy. It substitutes the illusion of understanding for analysis of particular circumstances. Africa is far away from North America. Accurate information about particular African states and societies takes more work to find than some other sorts of information. Yet both of those situations are changing rapidly. Africa is increasingly tied into the global economy and international politics. Using the idea of tribe instead of real, specific information and analysis of African events has never served the truth well. It also serves the public interest badly.
Thinking just like your albino mike
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: "The Ignorant Negro" fails to understand that slaves spoke like that because they could no better do, NOT because they wanted to. In their native languages, they spoke fluently and normally in every way.
"The Ignorant Negro" does not know that the tendency for Black people to slang their language exists in every African language and culture.
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quote:Originally posted by claus3600: So the question stands. Why are (generally 'unmixed') Nigerians/West Africans educationally more succesful than (generally admixed) African-Americans and UK Afro-Carribeans?
This is a stupid question. The Africans in the US, are not the average African.
First of all West Africans had to have had money to emmigrate to the US. This means that they were Middle Class before they came here.
Given their financial background and ability to live in many areas--native born Afro-Americans are not allowed to live they would recieve a better education. It is no secret that the more money a group has the better the education they recieve.
LOL. Their IQ scores and success reflect their social economic status--not special ability.
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: Mike overlooks the obvious (purposefully, of course). Blacks outside Africa are admixed with European Whites. It is the European blood in these Blacks that gives them the cognitive means to achieve levels of success true African Negroes can't.
Yep.
African-Americans are on average 12 - 15 % White.
It's why their IQ's are higher than pure-blooded Negroids in sub-sahara africa -
Still though the African-American is far lower in IQ than a pure-blooded Caucasoid/White.
Do African immigrants make the smartest Americans? The question may sound outlandish, but if you were judging by statistics alone, you could find plenty of evidence to back it up.
In a side-by-side comparison of 2000 census data by sociologist John R. Logan at the Mumford Center, State University of New York at Albany, black immigrants from Africa average the highest educational attainment of any population group in the country, including whites and Asians.
For example, 43.8 percent of African immigrants had achieved a college degree, compared to 42.5 of Asian Americans, 28.9 percent for immigrants from Europe, Russia and Canada, and 23.1 percent of the U.S. population as a whole.
That defies the usual stereotypes of Asian Americans as the only “model minority.” Yet the traditional American narrative has rendered the high academic achievements of black immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean invisible, as if it were a taboo topic.
Instead, we should take a closer look. That was my reaction in 2004 after black Harvard law professor Lani Guinier and Henry Louis Gates Jr., chairman of Harvard’s African-American studies department, stirred a black Harvard alumni reunion with questions about precisely where the university’s new black students were coming from.
About 8 percent, or 530, of Harvard’s undergraduates were black, they said, but somewhere between one-half and two-thirds of black undergraduates were “West Indian and African immigrants or their children, or to a lesser extent, children of biracial couples.”
If we take a closer look, I said then, I bet we’ll find that Harvard is not alone. With all of the ink and airwaves that have been devoted to immigration these days, black immigrants remain remarkably invisible. Yet their success has long followed the patterns of other high-achieving immigrants.
As one immigrant Jamaican friend once told me, “I’m too busy working two jobs to worry about the white man’s racism.”
Now comes a new study that finds a consistent pattern of Ivy League and other elite colleges and universities boosting their black student populations by enrolling large numbers of immigrants from Africa, the West Indies and Latin America.
Immigrants, who make up 13 percent of the nation’s college-age black population, account for more than a quarter of black students at Ivy League and other elite universities, according to the study of 28 selective colleges and universities. The authors of the study, published recently in the American Journal of Education, included Douglas S. Massey of Princeton University and Camille Z. Charles of the University of Pennsylvania. The proportion of immigrants was higher at private institutions, 28.8 percent, than at the public ones, where they comprised 23.1 percent of enrollment.
Are elite schools padding their racial diversity numbers with black immigrants who do not have a history of American slavery in their families? This development immediately calls into question whether affirmative action admission policies are fulfilling their original intent.
But as Walter Benn Michaels, a professor of English at the University of Illinois at Chicago, writes in his book “The Trouble With Diversity: How We Learned to Love Identity and Ignore Inequality,” the original intent of affirmative action morphed back in the 1970s from reparations for slavery into the promotion of a broader virtue: “diversity.” Since then, it no longer seems to matter how many of your college’s black students had slavery in their families. It only matters that they are black.
That said, I don’t begrudge black immigrants or any other high-achieving immigrants for their impressive achievements. I applaud them. I encourage more native-born American children, particularly my own child, to take similar advantage of this country’s hard-won opportunities.
But I also think we need to revisit the meaning of “diversity.” Unlike our current system of feel-good game-playing, we need to focus on the deeper question of how education can be improved and opportunities opened up to those who were left behind by the civil rights revolution.
We tend to look too often at every aspect of diversity except economic class. Yet, the dream of upward mobility is an essential part of how we Americans like to think of ourselves.
It’s also why a lot more people are trying to get into this country than trying to get out
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