Explosive video reveals that George Zimmerman appeared uninjured when he arrived at a Florida police station the night he shot Trayvon Martin — his nose is not broken or bleeding and the back of his head is unmarked by grass or bruising.
The Sanford, Fla., Police Department says it did not arrest the Hispanic neighborhood watchman who killed the unarmed black teenager because Trayvon was pounding his head into the ground and Zimmerman shot in self-defense.
The security camera footage shot inside the police station directly contradicts a police report written that night.
“I could observe his back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass, as if he had been laying on his back on the ground,” Officer Timothy Smith wrote after the shooting Feb. 26.
“Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and back of his head,” the officer wrote.
The high-quality security footage obtained by ABC News shows clearly that Zimmerman’s red and black fleece jacket is unmarred, the back of his close-cropped head is clean and his nose is not bloody.
He walks easily and appears to be in no pain. At one point , an officer is seen pausing to look at the back of Zimmerman's head, but no abrasions or stains can be seen.
Zimmerman’s attorney, Craig Sonner, has told reporters that Trayvon beat his client so badly that Zimmerman suffered a broken nose and injuries to the back of his head.
The tape obtained by ABC shows Zimmerman, 28, getting out of the back of a squad car in the Sanford Police garage.
His hands are cuffed behind him, but is able to get out on his own. He appears fitter and lighter than he did in his now-famous pudgy 2005 mug shot.
Police appear to treat him casually, chatting easily with him.
Zimmerman killed 17-year-old Trayvon after calling 911 to report a suspicious person in the Orlando-area gated community. The teenager was staying with his father and went out to buy a bag of Skittles and an iced tea.
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The investigator on this case wanted to arrest Zimmerman for manslaughter but was over ruled by the state's attorney - a Republican.
Remember what I said - Republicans want to draw Obama into a race issue.
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Anyone looking at the video of Zimmerman and seeing no blood on his jacket or shirt or any indication of significant trauma should be very concerned about this man being allowed to be free or that our justice system is fair and balance. Add to that a Republican attorney general who may have political motives to fan a race issue.
This issue is not going a way and from what I have heard, Zimmerman is standing on a house of lies.
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r u fucking serious?! RFLOL!! It is a fucking red jacket! RFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! blood aint exactly too far from that color ya know?
The paramedics obviously cleaned him up. Yall are so desperate to find something (LOL).
quote:Originally posted by osirion: Anyone looking at the video of Zimmerman and seeing no blood on his jacket or shirt or any indication of significant trauma should be very concerned about this man being allowed to be free or that our justice system is fair and balance. Add to that a Republican attorney general who may have political motives to fan a race issue.
This issue is not going a way and from what I have heard, Zimmerman is standing on a house of lies.
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ABCNEW has the video and it is very clear that Zimmerman was not hurt by Martin. No Black eyes, fat lips, lacerations, or any significant damage to his head.
There's a reason why we haven't seen Zimmerman. Its because Zimmerman has no visible evidence of assault.
Damn they could have at least put bandages on him or something! Some cotton in his nose or a - this is stupid.
We can't let this go. Its too dangerous to let this go. Its bad enough seeing police officers shot people and claim they were going for their taser or shooting Native American wood carvers because they have carving knives, but now it is open season on Black people in general.
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Let's face it, if Zimmerman was being pummeled so badly by Martin then why wasn't he taken into ER? If his nose was broken then why didn't they Xray his nose instead of taking him downtown to the station? I have had a broken nose. Lots of blood vessels there. Head wounds also bleed profusely. In order to warrant self defense with lethal force his life should have been in jeopardy.
No stitches. No concussion. No bruises.
I believe he did get decked. I believe he was getting beaten up. I think it is outrageous to think that this beating would have killed him at the point he shot Martin or that he was so badly hurt he could not have wrestled a 150lb barely 17 year old to the ground.
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you idiot, the gun became a factor in the fight because Trayvon went for it.
quote:Originally posted by osirion: I think it is outrageous to think that this beating would have killed him at the point he shot Martin or that he was so badly hurt he could not have wrestled a 150lb barely 17 year old to the ground. [/QB]
quote:Originally posted by osirion: ABCNEW has the video and it is very clear that Zimmerman was not hurt by Martin. No Black eyes, fat lips, lacerations, or any significant damage to his head.
There's a reason why we haven't seen Zimmerman. Its because Zimmerman has no visible evidence of assault.
Damn they could have at least put bandages on him or something! Some cotton in his nose or a - this is stupid.
We can't let this go. Its too dangerous to let this go. Its bad enough seeing police officers shot people and claim they were going for their taser or shooting Native American wood carvers because they have carving knives, but now it is open season on Black people in general.
But both sets of eye witness claims (ones that seem to back Zimmerman and those that don't) point to some sort of a scuffle. Are you saying there was no fight?
What do you think happened that night?
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It is an interesting fact that European people became homogeneous via a bias gene that helped them unify and eliminate competing groups of people in the European arena.
This same gene plays itself out in how evidence is interpreted. This is true with Egypt as it is true with this case with Zimmerman.
The European bias tendency requires a great deal of training to overcome the subconcious biasness that has come from eons of adaptation and competition.
This is why they are those that will feed off of Zimmerman's every word. Whatever he says must be the truth. It is almost as if what another White person says is fact and self validating. This is why Hitler could come into power.
It is maddening to listen to but it is the reality of the world we deal with. It is not about evidence it is about survival of European uniqueness. So these people will buy Zimmerman's lies even though to the rest of us its obvious he is lying to stay out of jail and I would be highly motivated to do the same if I was him.
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Zimmerman was decked. He was getting hit and he wasn't happy about it. He decided to pull out his gun to ward off additional strikes. Martin went into self defense overload and tried to take the weapon. The gun went off and Martin was killed.
Zimmerman should be arrested for involuntary manslaughter and is still likely to be acquitted.
I already stated: there was a political reason to not arrest him. It divides us and helps to bring White people over to the Republican party.
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When Zimmerman assaulted a police officer, according to the same rules that are used for Zimmerman, the police officer could have simply shot Zimmerman.
In fact, if you punch anyone and you are Black, even if you are defending yourself from a racial attack, you can be shot.
This is a very serious issue and we need to be vigilant about making sure we are heard.
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No Black eyes, fat lips, lacerations, or any significant damage to his head. There isn't even a bump on the mans head. I don't believe his story because the evidence doesn't support h\it. I believe he was decked and not much more than that. Zimmerman has a history of violence and it played out that night. He killed Trayvon in cold blood. He shot an unarmed man and then went into hiding. How convenient that we cannot find a picture of his extensive injuries or that police slowly leaked the information out over 40 days.
I think we need to be careful not to blame the police though. In this case it was the attorney general that chose not to arrest. A Sarah Palin loving Republican attorney general.
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This is a case that is somewhat similar. A Black man kills a White person with a single punch and is arrested for manslaughter:
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A Florida football coach will face trail over a man’s death in a Las Vegas casino. Benjamin Gerard Hawkins, a former Florida high school football coach is to stand trial, following the death of a man in a Las Vegas casino restroom, according to the very latest US casino gambling news.
Mr. Hawkins is presently being charged with manslaughter, following the one-punch death of John Massie, last July 6th in Las Vegas, a gambling resort renowned for its large money Black Jack Tournament and poker tables.
William Jansen, Las Vegas Justice Of The Peace has deemed it up to a jury to decide whether or not Mr. Hawkins was defending himself when he struck Mr. Massie in the early hours, in the casino. If found guilty, he could face probation or even up to four years in jail for the offense.
It is rumored that the altercation came about after Mr. Massie used racial slurs in the rest-room and continued to do so, upon leaving the room, along with Mr. Hawkins. Las Vegas Police Detective Jeff Rosgen has confirmed that Mr. Hawkins told him of Mr. Massie’s racial comments, and that he felt threatened when Mr. Massie continued by waiting outside of the rest-room door for Mr. Hawkins.
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Funeral director says he saw no injuries on slain teen Trayvon Martin's hands and knuckles
Gunshot wound appeared to be in upper chest area
Funeral director calls police investigation 'most unprofessional' he has ever seen
The funeral director who prepared Trayvon Martin’s body for burial told HLN’s Nancy Grace Wednesday that he did not see any cuts or bruises on the teen’s hands that would have been indicative of a struggle with George Zimmerman, the man who shot and killed the Florida teen.
Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale said there appeared to be a gunshot wound in Martin’s upper chest area, but he received the body after the autopsy was completed so it was difficult to tell whether he had other injuries. He also could not determine the bullet’s entry or exit point.
“As for his hands and knuckles, I didn’t see any evidence he had been fighting anybody,” Kurtz said.
Citing police sources, the Orlando Sentinel reported that Zimmerman told investigators Martin punched him and slammed his head into the ground repeatedly before he fired the shot that killed the unarmed 17-year-old. He claimed he shot Martin in self-defense, and he has not been charged in the case at this point.
While Kurtz is not a forensics expert, the funeral director said he has handled the bodies of many homicide victims in his career. This case in particular affected him as he learned more about what happened to Martin and how the case was handled.
“I think the police investigation was the most unprofessional one I've ever seen in my lifetime,” Kurtz said.
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I don't think there was much of a fight as evidenced by the video of Zimmerman in custody. Also, a 150lb barely 17 year old teenager who doesn't have a history of violence probably isn't that great of a fighter.
To my point about European bias. Remember, I think it was highly beneficial. I think it is also natural. However, it is an anachronistic gene that like many other genes such as ones that lead to alcoholism, obesity, etc, need to be treated through various educational forums.
Most people of European descent have been properly educated to deal with this genetic issue. But we should not me remiss-ed into thinking that relapses don't occur.
It is up to us to show the benefits of diversity both past, present, and future tenses.
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The police officer resigned and got a police job somewhere else.
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Osirion: ''Zimmerman’s attorney, Craig Sonner, has told reporters that Trayvon beat his client so badly that Zimmerman suffered a broken nose and injuries to the back of his head.''
I had reservations from the beginning about that one.
Facts says: ''There is a slit running the back of hid head.''
Correction: it *appears* to be a line of some sort. It isn't conclusive by any means. If Zimmerman had a scrape that big and was bleeding enough for it to move downward then the blood would probably run down onto his Tshirt more so than his jacket--assuming he kept his head down so as not to get his jacket/sweater stained.
I'm inclined to believe Zimmerman did have a scrape but that's it. And if his nose was broken it seems to me the police would have told the Paramedics to take him to the hospital for treatment. What if a bone was lodged near something important and he died while sitting in the police station and later it was determined he needed prompt medical attention but didn't receive it.
No, Zimmerman's nose wasn't broken. For the brief time he is visible on the video it can be determined, somewhat, his nose didn't appear to be swollen at all. You can't blame his lawyer of course--it's his duty to paint the worse possible appearance for his client.
''oh yea, myth dispelled he was not arrested.''
From what I've read the past week or more it was understood Zimmerman was arrested initially but let go. So whose myth is it?
Osirion:
''Anyone looking at the video of Zimmerman and seeing no blood on his jacket or shirt or any indication of significant trauma should be very concerned about this man being allowed to be free or that our justice system is fair and balance.''
In the interest of fairness, if Zimmerman's nose was broken it doesn't necessarily follow that he would stand upright and let the blood flow onto his shirt. And yes it was stated from the beginning the paramedics or someone treated him for his condition. At the police station you can see a cop in the lower left of the video looking at the back of Zimmerman's head as if to see if it was okay. As for the lack of appearance of a ''wet look'' on his jacket, I thought I saw traces of dampness but wasn't sure of this. This could mean Zimmerman was on the ground for a very brief period. His jacket wouldn't have to be saturated. Him sitting in a police car seat with his back pressed against the police cruiser seat could have absorbed some dampness.
Having said this, Zimmerman's lawer blew this out of proportion. One can clearly see Zimmerman didn't appear to be beaten severely at all. He probably did sustain a scrape to the back of his head and a few blows to the face but nothing significant, before he killed Martin.
I believe Zimmerman is in big trouble now. And he should be. F..k him and Oliver too.
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...but what I want to know is how does anyone here know Trayvon went for Zimmerman's gun? How can it be known he even knew Zimmerman had a weapon? If he did know then it turned out to be a fatal error on his part if he attacked Zimmerman knowing this. So I'm thinking he didn't know about it.
If Trayvon is straddling Zimmerman and punching him is it reasonable to say he was using only one hand in punching Zimmerman while attempting to unholster the gun with the other? It seems to me Trayvon would have known not to put himself at an extreme disadvantage at this point by using just one hand *knowing* Zimmerman had a weapon strapped on his waist.
Zimmerman was in complete control while getting thrashed and decided he had had enough and pulled his gun and fired pointblank into the boy's chest. Again, I believe Zimmerman knew he had an alternative and that is he could have disabled Trayvon with a shot to the arm. He even could have used the gun as a force against Trayvon's temple. It wouldn't have taken that much for Trayvon to quit or even be disoriented from a couple of solid hits to the head with the pistol. And is it possible Zimmerman somehow got off the ground and shot Trayvon?
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HAHA! A fucking funeral director who probably only holds an associate's in Mortuary science is now an expert on doing an autopsy. Everyone and 'they mama' wants 15 minutes of fame.
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A 6'3 @ 150 - 160 LBS packs a wallop against any man standing 5'10 @ 200 LBS. Trayvon's had leverage over Zimmerman; his height gave a fighting advantage. Basketball players on average weight between 180-200 lbs, but I bet you they can give a hell of a fight against guys who body build and are no taller than 6 ft.
quote:Originally posted by osirion: I don't think there was much of a fight as evidenced by the video of Zimmerman in custody. Also, a 150lb barely 17 year old teenager who doesn't have a history of violence probably isn't that great of a fighter.
To my point about European bias. Remember, I think it was highly beneficial. I think it is also natural. However, it is an anachronistic gene that like many other genes such as ones that lead to alcoholism, obesity, etc, need to be treated through various educational forums.
Most people of European descent have been properly educated to deal with this genetic issue. But we should not me remiss-ed into thinking that relapses don't occur.
It is up to us to show the benefits of diversity both past, present, and future tenses.
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Never knew having ones head repeatedly banged on soft earth/grass results in vertical, surgical precision, cut marks. Look, if that mark on his head is really the result of Zimmerman's scuffle with Trayvon, Zimmerman's camp should have no problems reinforcing their account with pictures of his parietal/occipital region, taken, of course, by an independent medical examiner. Let's see that crisp and crusty wound on the back of his head.
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As I have already stated. If Zimmerman thought people would buy his argument he would appear at a press conference and identify his injuries so that he would get sympathy.
The injuties to Zimmerman are not at all what we are expecting based on the lethal force used. As for the gash, it didn't need stitches did it? We don't even know if it's an injury related to the fight. And even if it was, it is not the kind of injury consistent with having you head bashed repeatedly on the concrete. Hell, there wasn't even a bandage on it.
Arealdy stated - the fight occurred. It just did not warrant a lethal response. I think Zimmerman could have gotten up and fought back but chose to be a coward. Glad he is not a LE.
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quote:Originally posted by Oshun: Umm... how many years is manslaugher?
From probation to 4 years normally. Consider the case of the clerk who shot a Black teenager for stealing orange juice - she got probation only.
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His head was banged on cement pavement. Update your info, little lady.
quote:Originally posted by Swenet: Never knew having ones head repeatedly banged on soft earth/grass results in vertical, surgical precision, cut marks. Look, if that mark on his head is really the result of Zimmerman's scuffle with Trayvon, Zimmerman's camp should have no problems reinforcing their account with pictures of his parietal/occipital region, taken, of course, by an independent medical examiner. Let's see that crisp and crusty wound on the back of his head.
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^Do you have concrete indications concrete was even near the scuffle? Remarkably, his back supposedly (according to the police) showed green grass stains, yet his head was quite conveniently positioned above concrete.
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We have official report and Swenet's speculation. You know where this is going, right?
quote:Originally posted by Swenet: ^Do you have concrete indications concrete was even near the scuffle? Remarkably, his back supposedly (according to the police) showed green grass stains, yet his head was quite conveniently positioned above concrete.
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Dumbass, there is not much left of your ''official report'', now, is there? LOL. Where are the blood spots on the concrete pavement, brain dead schitzo? Why is the mark on his head vertical? Why was Martin found on his belly, with his feet to the walkway? Why are there no signs of struggle on Trayvon's hands? Why did the first interviewing officer question Zimmerman's account?
Perhaps the most revealing: right before being told not to pursue Trayvon, he told the dispatcher that Travon was still within his field of vision (i.e., according to him Trayvon was running towards the other entrance of that neighborhood). To reach the other entrance of that neighborhood, Trayvon had to reach the end of the street they were both facing first, and then turn right, and reach the end of the latter street too. Almost immediately after telling the dispatcher trayvon was going towards the aforementioned other entrance, he was told to stop pursuing Trayvon, and according to his account to the police, he stops and walks back to his car, only to find himself attacked from behind.
Now, what he has just told the dispatcher can be easily verified by looking at a map of the neighborhood. There are clearly two entrances to that neighborhood (a northern one, and a southern one), and in Zimmerman's mind, Trayvon was running towards the Southern entrance.
Here is the thing. Trayvon was not running towards the Southern entrance (i.e., he didn't turn right); it only appeared to Zimmerman that he was, because Trayvon hadn't yet reached the bend in the road that leads to the Southern entrance. What Trayvon did instead, was continuing into the direction in which Zimmerman saw him run (in other words, when the reached the end of the street, he didn't go South, but East), which leads to a backporch area, after first passing through a narrow alley, which is inaccessible to vehicles.
That's not the point. The point is that Zimmerman's car was parked near that narrow alley. The significance? If Zimmerman truly stopped pursuing Trayvon when he hung up, his car wouldn't have been parked near that alley I just referred to (remember, right before being told to stop, both Zimmerman and Trayvon were removed from the alley/end of the road, to the extend that Zimmerman thought Trayvon would turn right at the end of the road, and leave that neighborhood via the Southern exit).
Of course, the fact that Zimmerman wasn't planning on stopping his pursuit, is also indicated by his last words to the dispatcher, namely, "Have them call me, and I will let you know where I'm at". If he was planning on staying put, why would he say that, right after he already told them were he was?
Another point; the scuffle between Trayvon and Zimmerman took place more than 30 meters into that alley, and more than 50 meters from his vehicle. How did Zimmerman manage to get 30 meters into that alley/50 meters away from his vehicle, if he and Trayvon both of them hadn't even reached that alley, when the dispatcher told him to stop?
The only way to account for the discrepancy between his account, in which he relays that he stopped after being told to, and the fact that he shouldn't even have been in that alley if he truly stopped, is if Zimmerman hung up the phone, saw Trayvon go into that alley (probably thought Trayvon was going to continue to commit his crime, too, since Trayvon the 'criminal', didn't leave 'Zimmerman's neighborhood', re: the Southern exit, and kept 'lingering around'), got into his car, drove it to the end of that street, got out of his vehicle, entered that alley, and caught up with Trayvon after running 30 meters into the alley, to 'see to it that justice would be served'. This is, of course, the moment where Trayvon is still talking to his girlfriend, and where he is telling her that he lost Zimmerman (by going into that alley).
Link to the location of Zimmerman's car, the alley, the Northern and Southern entrance, and the shooting.
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Swenet, notice how reactionary is the Trayvon camp; every new information that surfaces, you fools are forced to shift your position, and adapt your argument to the new info. You got to love how the State is playing this game. They slowly release info to have you nutcases constantly change your offensive just to show yall clowns are really clowns, sheeyot! MUHAHAHAHAHA!!! Yall are some psychotic mofos.
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quote:Originally posted by Swenet: Never knew having ones head repeatedly banged on soft earth/grass results in vertical, surgical precision, cut marks. Look, if that mark on his head is really the result of Zimmerman's scuffle with Trayvon, Zimmerman's camp should have no problems reinforcing their account with pictures of his parietal/occipital region, taken, of course, by an independent medical examiner. Let's see that crisp and crusty wound on the back of his head.
Also, he's wearing a gray shirt under that red sweater or jacket or whatever it is...the paramedics may have cleaned his face up (giving it the extreme benefit of the doubt smh kmrt) but somehow I doubt they changed his shirt or washed it dried it gave it back to him...and I guess they would have cleaned off all the blood matted in his hair (from the head wound received from having his head banged into the concrete) for him too....
Head wounds, including non-serious ones, usually entail a lot of bleeding...as does a broken and/or battered nose....watching the video there is no blood to be seen on the front of his gray shirt- not even around the front neckline anywhere, it seems....no dirt and grass marks seem to be evident on his clothing from any angle...
A criminal defense attorney repping his client, and/or someone that wants someone to be innocent at all costs to the point he's salivating like a starving dog, can spin that nuff ways to Sunday...
BUT....
A criminal prosecutor's position would be are you going to believe the Defendant's story, or are you going to believe your lying eyes when you watch the video....
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Ever thought the red jacket perhaps was zipped during the altercation and was undone by the cop to frisk him as per standard police procedure? You know, the red jacket that blood could POSSIBLY blend with... just saying. RFLOL!!
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quote:Originally posted by Swenet: Never knew having ones head repeatedly banged on soft earth/grass results in vertical, surgical precision, cut marks. Look, if that mark on his head is really the result of Zimmerman's scuffle with Trayvon, Zimmerman's camp should have no problems reinforcing their account with pictures of his parietal/occipital region, taken, of course, by an independent medical examiner. Let's see that crisp and crusty wound on the back of his head.
Also, he's wearing a gray shirt under that red sweater or jacket or whatever it is...the paramedics may have cleaned his face up (giving it the extreme benefit of the doubt smh kmrt) but somehow I doubt they changed his shirt or washed it dried it gave it back to him...and I guess they would have cleaned off all the blood matted in his hair (from the head wound received from having his head banged into the concrete) for him too....
Head wounds, including non-serious ones, usually entail a lot of bleeding...as does a broken and/or battered nose....watching the video there is no blood to be seen on the front of his gray shirt- not even around the front neckline anywhere, it seems....no dirt and grass marks seem to be evident on his clothing from any angle...
A criminal defense attorney repping his client, and/or someone that wants someone to be innocent at all costs to the point he's salivating like a starving dog, can spin that nuff ways to Sunday...
BUT....
A criminal prosecutor's position would be are you going to believe the Defendant's story, or are you going to believe your lying eyes when you watch the video....
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Onlooker Casts Doubt On Martin's Killer's Claims
Further doubt emerged Thursday over the circumstances of Florida teen Trayvon Martin's murder, as the mother of a young witness said her son was "pressured" by police and another onlooker cast doubt on killer George Zimmerman's claims.
An unnamed witness speaking on CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360" said the entirety of the scuffle he saw between the two took place on grass, challenging Zimmerman's claim that Martin had smashed his head against a sidewalk after punching him in the face -- causing him to shoot the 17-year-old dead in self-defense.
In reference to the size difference between 28-year-old Zimmerman and Martin, the witness described the fight as being between a "larger man" and a "boy." While the witness said he was not able to see who was on top of the other as the two scuffled, he said "there wasn't a lot of movement" immediately before he heard a gunshot.
Zimmerman "didn't appear hurt" as he walked away, he added, and he didn't see any blood on him.
Meanwhile, the mother of a 13-year-old who also witnessed the killing told the New York Daily News that when Sanford police interviewed her son eight days after the incident, they "pressured" him to give more detail than he recalled.
The youngster, Austin Brown, had been referenced by police as having seen Martin on top of Zimmerman during the fight, but his mother, Cheryl, said he saw only one person lying on the grass and could not identify them.
"He kept telling them he couldn't see anything because it was too dark," she said. "He said he couldn't see the race or anything. He never saw a second person.
"Then they asked him if he saw what the man was wearing. They gave him a multiple choice question and gave him three colors. He said, 'I think it was red.' Knowing my son, I believe he felt pressured to give the color."
It was not clear whether she was present for her son's police interview.
Martin was walking from a 7-Eleven to the home where he was staying with his father in a gated community outside Orlando on Feb. 26 when Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer, phoned 911 to report that the black teen, who was wearing a hoodie, looked suspicious.
Despite being told by a police dispatcher not to follow Martin, Zimmerman left his vehicle to go after him, leading to their fatal exchange. Martin was unarmed, carrying only a bag of Skittles and a can of iced tea.
The new witness accounts came a day after video surfaced showing Zimmerman in police custody after their deadly clash, but without obvious signs of the head injuries he claims were inflicted upon him in the scuffle.
A lawyer representing Martin's parents, Benjamin Crump, said the footage was "the smoking gun" for those seeking to have him arrested.
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quote:Originally posted by facts: Swenet, notice how reactionary is the Trayvon camp; every new information that surfaces, you fools are forced to shift your position, and adapt your argument to the new info. You got to love how the State is playing this game. They slowly release info to have you nutcases constantly change your offensive just to show yall clowns are really clowns, sheeyot! MUHAHAHAHAHA!!! Yall are some psychotic mofos.
LOL. Still jumping through hoops when it comes to addressing hard questions, aren't you? Low integrity b!tch ass faggots will always be just that; no change in them. When MOM challenged you with his 'Caucasian' quiz, years back, you were running with your tail tucked between your legs, ain't nothing changed about you, I see.
quote:Zimmerman: "Go straight in. Oh, s***. He's running ... down towards the other entrance of neighborhood."
Dispatcher: "He's running? Which way is he running?"
Zimmerman: "Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood."
Dispatcher: "Which entrance is that, that he is running towards?
Zimmerman: "The back entrance."
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Dispatcher: "Are you following him?"
Zimmerman: "Yeah."
Dispatcher: "OK. We don't need you to do that. What's your name?"
Smokescreen failed, try again b!tch. Trayvon was somewhere between the beginning of that road, and before the end of that road, where it turns to right, and Zimmerman was lagging behind Trayvon, when the dispatcher told Zimmerman to stop pursuing Trayvon. If Trayvon had reached the end of that road, Zimmerman wouldn't have told the dispatcher that Trayvon would head for the Southern entrance, because the alley redirects to the Northern entrance, as well as the Southern one, and all other routes that would lead to Trayvon being trapped in that neighborhood. His inaccurate prediction of Trayvons direction, is therefore indicative of where Trayvon was at that point (i.e., Trayvon was not yet at the end of the road).
Explain how Zimmerman got 30 meters into the alley, past the bend of that road, and explain how Zimmerman's vehicle got near the bend of that road, if Zimmerman stopped when he was told to, fuckboy.
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Not sure why some of you bother to give factless attention.
Bigots by definition are not interested in facts.
They make up factitious facts to support preconceived ideas that emerge from a subconcious genetic survival gene that creates bias for anyone that visibly appears to be related to them.
Here is how the bias gene works:
Imagine a situation where you have a choice. There are two children that are rather similar is size and age. You can only save one of them. One is White and the other is Black. Social bias would lead to a disproportianate number of people saving the White child over the Black especially with people of European origin. It is a natural genetic predisposition to give preference to people that are genetically closest to you. Just like one would prefer their own children over a strangers child. Its survival of your own gene, then the genes of your closes relative, and on down the line of genetic relatedness.
Does this mean that everyone is bias? Too a point there is a subconcious bias. However, educated people are less bias than ignorant or bigoted ones. Bigots are educated but only in what they want to believe.
-------------------- Across the sea of time, there can only be one of you. Make you the best one you can be. Posts: 4028 | From: NW USA | Registered: May 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Swenet: Never knew having ones head repeatedly banged on soft earth/grass results in vertical, surgical precision, cut marks. Look, if that mark on his head is really the result of Zimmerman's scuffle with Trayvon, Zimmerman's camp should have no problems reinforcing their account with pictures of his parietal/occipital region, taken, of course, by an independent medical examiner. Let's see that crisp and crusty wound on the back of his head.
Also, he's wearing a gray shirt under that red sweater or jacket or whatever it is...the paramedics may have cleaned his face up (giving it the extreme benefit of the doubt smh kmrt) but somehow I doubt they changed his shirt or washed it dried it gave it back to him...and I guess they would have cleaned off all the blood matted in his hair (from the head wound received from having his head banged into the concrete) for him too....
Head wounds, including non-serious ones, usually entail a lot of bleeding...as does a broken and/or battered nose....watching the video there is no blood to be seen on the front of his gray shirt- not even around the front neckline anywhere, it seems....no dirt and grass marks seem to be evident on his clothing from any angle...
A criminal defense attorney repping his client, and/or someone that wants someone to be innocent at all costs to the point he's salivating like a starving dog, can spin that nuff ways to Sunday...
BUT....
A criminal prosecutor's position would be are you going to believe the Defendant's story, or are you going to believe your lying eyes when you watch the video....
Indeed. I would add that the smoking gun lies not so much in the video, as verbal gymnastics on the part of Zimmerman's damage control corner, would cast doubt on the seemingly straight forward nature of the vid (no blood, no wounds consistent with blows of the occipital area to either a grassy area or a concrete road). As you said, treatment by medics on the scene would be an example of the verbal gymnastics, that are undoubtedly going to surface somewhere in the near future.
The smoking gun will be their inability to make high resolution pictures/conduct medical examinations of Zimmerman's parietal region, supporting that the vertical mark seen in that clip is a fresh injury, and consistent with a healing stage that would be expected if that wound occurred on Feb 26, etc.
Posts: 8785 | From: Discovery Channel's Mythbusters | Registered: Dec 2009
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: Not sure why some of you bother to give factless attention.
Bigots by definition are not interested in facts.
They make up factitious facts to support preconceived ideas that emerge from a subconcious genetic survival gene that creates bias for anyone that visibly appears to be related to them.
Here is how the bias gene works:
Imagine a situation where you have a choice. There are two children that are rather similar is size and age. You can only save one of them. One is White and the other is Black. Social bias would lead to a disproportianate number of people saving the White child over the Black especially with people of European origin. It is a natural genetic predisposition to give preference to people that are genetically closest to you. Just like one would prefer their own children over a strangers child. Its survival of your own gene, then the genes of your closes relative, and on down the line of genetic relatedness.
Does this mean that everyone is bias? Too a point there is a subconcious bias. However, educated people are less bias than ignorant or bigoted ones. Bigots are educated but only in what they want to believe.
C'mon son. I have yet to see how that bias gene theory is involved here. Do you mean to tell me bigotry towards specific social groups is gene controlled? That would be a laugh.
The proof is in the pudding. Clearly, enough white people, and minorities other than blacks are upset about Tray's killing.
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Thursday evening Piers Morgan asked Zimmerman's brother if Zimmerman's nose was broken. He said yes it was. However, he offered no substantiation for this in terms of directing to a source offering medical proof like X-rays or doctor's reports.
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Facts, here's a hypothetical for you. If you're in a fistfight in Florida and you discover the other combatant is armed just as you are and after gaining the upperhand pugilistically speaking, then you suddenly started losing the battle, do you have a right to shoot the person?
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