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Trayvon probably stood his ground too. I dont know , to be honest. Can't really tell which camp is being truthful. Anywho, I just like fucking with Afrocentrists especially the Jamaican beyotch, cause yall make me sick!
quote:Originally posted by Grumman: Facts, here's a hypothetical for you. If you're in a fistfight in Florida and you discover the other combatant is armed just as you are and after gaining the upperhand pugilistically speaking, then you suddenly started losing the battle, do you have a right to shoot the person?
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TypeZeiss I recorded that segment Wednesday as it aired. In fact I'm trying to record as much of this as possible.
My view is regardless of who, at any given point during the encounter, threw the first punch, I still maintain Zimmerman had no right whatsoever to kill the kid. No right whatsoever. Even under Florida's law. As a matter of fact the latest reports said that Stand Your Ground doesn't even apply to anything outside one's house or car.
Unless and until a new witness comes forth and said they saw both men struggling for the weapon and it turns out Zimmerman fired because of this then Zimmerman needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. No question about it.
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quote:Originally posted by facts: Trayvon probably stood his ground too. I dont know , to be honest. Can't really tell which camp is being truthful. Anywho, I just like fucking with Afrocentrists especially the Jamaican beyotch, cause yall make me sick!
quote:Originally posted by Grumman: Facts, here's a hypothetical for you. If you're in a fistfight in Florida and you discover the other combatant is armed just as you are and after gaining the upperhand pugilistically speaking, then you suddenly started losing the battle, do you have a right to shoot the person?
Dont fool yourself. You dont just "like fucking with afrocentrist", You have a black obsession. A serious mental disease. Stop playing it off like yyour doing it for fun because your not. Your doing it because you suffer from mental illness.
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Police … I just heard a shot right behind my house. [4:14] They’re wrestling right in the back of my porch.
911 dispatcher:
You just heard one shot go off?
Neighbor:
It was either that or a rock at the window, I don’t know, the guy’s yelling “help” and I’m not going outside. [4:34]
911 dispatcher:
OK, you hear someone yelling for help?
Neighbor:
Um, I’m pretty sure the guy’s dead out here – holy sh*t! [5:03]
911 dispatcher:
OK, we have several people calling in also. Anything else that you heard?
Neighbor:
Uh, no. A guy yelling “help.” Oh, my God! Um, there’s a guy with a flashlight in the backyard now. I think there’s flashlights, and there’s a guy – I don’t know if that’s a cop.
911 dispatcher:
OK, we’ve had several calls in. Are you sure you heard voices? Was there just one …
Neighbor:
There’s two guys. There’s two guys in the backyard with flashlights and there’s a black guy down and it looks like he’s been shot and he’s dead. He’s laying and there’s multiple people calling. [5:50]
911 dispatcher:
OK, I have several officers going there, OK? Thank you. Bye.
Neighbor:
Bye.
Ends 6:00
Neighbor #2, Female - Call begins 6:01
911 dispatcher:
911 police, fire, and medical.
Neighbor:
Um, maybe both, I’m not sure. There’s just someone screaming outside [screaming could be heard – 6:15]
911 dispatcher:
OK, what’s the address they’re near?
Neighbor:
[Address omitted]
911 dispatcher:
OK, is it a male or female?
Neighbor:
It sounds like a male.
911 dispatcher:
And you don’t know why?
Neighbor:
I don’t know why. I think they’re yelling “help” but I don’t know. [6:32] Just send someone please, crap.
911 dispatcher:
Does he look hurt to you?
Neighbor:
I can’t see him and I don’t want to go out there, I don’t know what’s going on. [Screams could be heard – 6:47]
911 dispatcher:
Do you think he’s yelling “help”?
Neighbor:
Yes.
911 dispatcher:
Alright [inaudible]
Neighbor:
Just … there’s gunshots [6:55]
911 dispatcher:
You just heard gunshots?
Click here to hear gunshot [at 0.45]
Neighbor:
Yes.
911 dispatcher:
How many?
Neighbor:
Just one … [Speaks to someone in the room][ 7:05]
911 dispatcher:
[Inaudible] – possibly: Is someone bleeding?
Neighbor:
I don’t know. [Speaks to someone in the room]
911 dispatcher:
Alright, is he right outside?
Neighbor:
Yeah, pretty much out the back deck [7:25]
911 dispatcher:
Is he in front of it or behind that?
Neighbor:
He’s behind my house. [Stay away from the windows.]
911 dispatcher:
I don’t hear him yelling anymore. Do you hear anything? [7:34]
Neighbor:
No, I don’t because I’m hiding upstairs because there was a gunshot right outside our house. You obviously sent someone, right?
911 dispatcher:
Yes they’ve been dispatched. What’s your name and phone number?
Neighbor:
My name is [edited] my phone number is [edited.]
911 dispatcher:
How do you spell your last name?
Neighbor:
[Edited.]
911 dispatcher:
Do you hear any vehicles leaving or anyone else? Do you hear anything?
Neighbor:
There’s people out there and I don’t want to go down there. [8:14]
911 dispatcher:
Multiple people are yelling now?
Neighbor:
Yeah. [8:20]
911 dispatcher:
OK – we do have officers on the way. Call us back if you do hear or see anything suspicious like any vehicles leaving or anything like that, OK?
Neighbor:
OK.
911 dispatcher:
Alright, thank you. Bye.
Ends 8:44
Neighbor #3, female - Call begins 8:45
911 dispatcher:
What is your emergency – police, fire, or medical?
Neighbor:
Police please.
911 dispatcher:
For what address or [inaudible]
Neighbor:
I’m at [edited] – there’s someone screaming outside.
911 dispatcher:
Is it where you’re at?
Neighbor:
Yes, I heard a gunshot – hurry up.
911 dispatcher:
OK.
Neighbor:
Some just [inaudible]
911 dispatcher:
Do you see anybody? I don’t need you to go outside.
Neighbor:
There’s someone screaming – I just heard gunshots [caller frantic] [9:17]
911 dispatcher:
OK. Do you see anything? I don’t need you to go outside but do you see anything? Do you hear squealing of tires, anything?
Neighbor:
Hurry up, they’re right outside my house.
911 dispatcher:
OK. We are sending someone. Are you in Sanford?
Neighbor:
Yes.
911 dispatcher:
What is your name?
Neighbor:
I see a person now. [9:47]
911 dispatcher:
What is your address? [Asks neighbor to spell name and address] – asks How old are you?
Neighbor:
I’m 40.
911 dispatcher:
OK, do you see the officer?
Neighbor:
Yeah, but like, it’s behind my house – it’s not the front entrance, it’s near – oh my God.
911 dispatcher:
Near what? Tell me so I can tell them.
Neighbor:
Like, if you’re looking at my house it’s behind, by my back porch.
911 dispatcher:
OK – coming from behind your house?
Neighbor:
Yes, by the back porch.
911 dispatcher:
OK, stay on the line with me and update me. Did you see anything at all or did you just hear screaming?
Neighbor:
I just heard screaming and gun shots.
911 dispatcher:
OK. We have an officer there. Did you hear anymore gunshots?
Neighbor:
No, I don’t hear any more.
911 dispatcher:
So it’s one gunshot you heard?
Neighbor:
Yes.
911 dispatcher:
OK.
Neighbor:
Hurry up, hurry up. Hurry.
911 dispatcher:
There’s officers out there. If anything changes give us a call back but we do have several officers there. One officer is there, OK?
Neighbor:
Do they see anything?
911 dispatcher:
I’m not sure m’am. I just show that he’s there and that two other officers are on their way. OK? If anything changes or you hear any more give us a call back. Because as far as you know it’s coming from behind your house near your back porch area?
Neighbor:
Yes.
911 dispatcher:
When you heard the screaming, did you hear screaming of a female or of a male? [11:37]
Neighbor:
A male. [11:40]
911 dispatcher:
OK, so when you heard screaming it was a male screaming?
Neighbor:
Yes.
911 dispatcher:
OK.
Neighbor:
Oh, my God! The guy on top has a white t-shirt. [11:51]
911 dispatcher:
What do you mean guy on top? Did you see a fight? [11:59]
Neighbor:
I don’t know. I just looked out my window and the guy on top has a white t-shirt.
911 dispatcher:
A white t-shirt. Did you see what kind of pants?
Neighbor:
No.
911 dispatcher:
OK, he’s on top of what?
Neighbor:
I couldn’t see the other thing. I couldn’t see the person he was on. [12:16]
911 dispatcher:
But he’s on top of a person? [12:18]
Neighbor:
Uh, huh.
911 dispatcher:
OK, is he, the guy with the white t-shirt, did he get up and run?
Neighbor:
I don’t know – I came to the phone and called you. [12:29]
911 dispatcher:
OK. Was he White, Black, or Hispanic when you saw him?
Neighbor:
I couldn’t tell, it was completely dark.
911 dispatcher:
OK. Well, we have several units in route, OK?
Neighbor:
OK.
911 dispatcher:
Thank you, bye.
Ends 12:49
Neighbor #4, female - Call begins 12:50
911 dispatcher:
Fire, police, or medical?
Neighbor:
This is 911, correct?
911 dispatcher:
Correct. You need police, fire, or medical?
Neighbor:
I’m sorry, police or medical. I don’t know Ma’am. I’m at [edited] and someone’s yelling two doors down from me, screaming, hollering ‘help, help, help.’ There’s an elderly man that lives down here. I don’t know what happened and then I thought I heard like a gunshot inside. I don’t know – so probably ambulance.
911 dispatcher:
OK, how many shots did you hear?
Neighbor:
One. [12:22]
911 dispatcher:
How long ago was this shot?
Neighbor:
Just like, I just heard it. When I heard that I picked up the phone and called you. [13:29]
911 dispatcher:
Before calling 911?
Neighbor:
Yes, Ma’am.
911 dispatcher:
Is it coming from [edited].
Neighbor:
No, I live [edited] and I’m inside by my large sliding glass door and there’s somebody out in the back porch, I mean, two doors down there’s an elderly man that lives there. Somebody walking around with a flashlight. I don’t know who it is. Maybe the police are already here, I don’t know because someone’s out there with a flashlight. And I did hear something …
911 dispatcher:
Yes, they should have units that are there – wait one second.
Neighbor:
Oh, my God.
911 dispatcher:
And the screaming – was it a male or a female that you heard? [14:22]
Neighbor:
It sounded to me like a male, OK, and what I know is this neighbor since I’ve been here four years, there’s an elderly man that lives like 1, 2, 3, 4 doors down north of me. And I’m inside.
911 dispatcher:
Do you think it’s coming from your area not [inaudible].
Neighbor:
I really don’t know because I’m not outside Ma’am. But I’m sitting by my back sliding glass door. There's someone out there right now. I don’t see anything but their flashlights shining around.
But I did hear someone yelling ‘help, help, help’ or something like that. Oh my God or something, and then moaning and then I heard a “boom” and I picked up the phone and I called.
911 dispatcher:
OK, so did you see or hear anything else like a vehicle leaving?
Neighbor:
No, Ma’am because I’m in the back, and the back is like there’s just a walkway, there’s no – I mean if somebody was in the front in a car, I don’t know. But as far as the back here I did not hear any kind of vehicle, no.
911 dispatcher:
And what was your name?
Neighbor:
[Edited]. Boy, it was scary.
911 dispatcher:
And your phone number, is it [inaudible].
Neighbor:
Yes, Ma’am. There’s still somebody walking around with flashlights back there.
911 dispatcher:
It might be an officer, I’m showing there should be one on scene.
Neighbor:
OK, all I can see is lights shining back and forth, which I don’t see a person walking or anything. I just see a light so …
911 dispatcher:
Yes, it could be officers.
Neighbor:
Alright, thank you.
911 dispatcher:
No problem, Ma’am. Thank you.
Ends 16:05
Neighbor #5, female - Call begins 16:13
911 dispatcher:
911 – police, fire, or medical?
Neighbor:
Medical.
911 dispatcher:
What location are you at?
Neighbor:
I think someone’s been shot.
911 dispatcher:
Where at?
Neighbor:
Oh, my God!
911 dispatcher:
Where? [Inaudible] Why do you think someone’s been shot?
Neighbor:
Because they’re out in the backyard and a gun just went off and they said call 911. Now there’s people coming with flashlights. Get inside, get inside, get inside (sounds like she’s talking to her kids.)
911 dispatcher:
You said it’s in the backyard?
Neighbor:
Yes, in the backyard. Yeah.
911 dispatcher:
Is there someone laying in the backyard?
Neighbor:
Yeah, and there’s people around them now. Get inside, [name ommitted].
911 dispatcher:
Do you know if it’s kids?
Neighbor:
No, [talks to someone else then says] it’s a black guy
911 dispatcher:
We’ve got units on the way. What do you mean it’s a black guy – that got shot?
Neighbor:
I don’t know. “[Name ommitted], is it the black guy that got shot?” [17:24]
I see a black guy standing up.
911 dispatcher:
There’s a black male standing?
Neighbor:
Yeah, and there’s people coming out with uh, let me go upstairs and look out my window.
911 dispatcher:
Can you tell me what the guy’s wearing?
Neighbor:
Police are here. I think someone else called 911.
911 dispatcher:
It looks like they did. OK, you do see officers out there with that guy?
Neighbor:
I think that’s the black guy that I see.
911 dispatcher:
OK thanks. Bye.
Ends 18:11
Neighbor #6, female - Call begins 18:12
911 dispatcher:
911 – police, fire, or medical?
Neighbor:
I’m looking out my deck of my townhome and I heard someone screaming “help” and I don’t know, I heard like a bang. [18:18]
911 dispatcher:
Now you say you live at [edited]
Neighbor:
My townhome. Yes, I’m looking out my window of my backyard and someone is yelling and screaming “help” and I heard a pop noise and they’re both still out there right now and I don’t know what’s going on. [18:43]
911 dispatcher:
You’re not the only person that’s calling. We already have one officer on the scene and others on the way …
Neighbor:
Oh, good. Oh, my God! I see the person right now. I see him like walking. There’s a man coming out … there’s people coming out with flashlights [18:56]. Oh, my God! I don’t know what he did to this person. I can’t see, there’s a man walking with a flashlight right now.
911 dispatcher:
Dispatcher tries to talk, she talks over him and asks was it a male or a female voice that was screaming. [19:11]
Neighbor:
I guess a man, I don’t know. The man is up right now and someone’s coming over. I’m glad other people called. [19:19]
911 dispatcher:
Alright, we should be out there right now.
Neighbor:
I can open my window and hear it if you want me to. [19:27]
911 dispatcher:
You can still hear it?
Neighbor:
I’m looking out my window. Somebody’s over there taking a flashlight. I don’t know what’s happening. Someone’s on the ground. [19:37]
911 dispatcher:
You see someone laying on the ground?
Neighbor:
I think someone’s been shot. I don’t know what’s going on. [19:42]
911 dispatcher:
Calm down, stay on the line with me. Like I said, we have an officer on the scene.
Neighbor:
Oh, my God, they better hurry up. I don’t know if someone’s dead on the ground or something. Oh, my God! [19:52]
911 dispatcher:
Are they laying down?
Neighbor:
I can see out my back window and there’s a sidewalk and grass and stuff. [Inaudible] There’s a man who’s out there with a flashlight with a man who’s been wrestling … [20:14]
911 dispatcher:
Is this person laying down in the street?
Neighbor:
No, you can see from my back window – people are coming over. [20:24]
911 dispatcher:
So is the person you see laying down, laying down in the street or in the grass?
Neighbor:
On the grass. Oh, my God. People are coming, there’s another gentleman with a flashlight. I don’t know if they’re police or not. Oh, my God, he’s shot, he shot the person. He said he shot the person.
911 dispatcher:
Who is saying they shot who?
Neighbor:
The people out there – um – a guy is waving his hands up saying he shot a person. I can see a police officer that’s with him right now. Oh, my God [inaudible]. [20:57]
911 dispatcher:
The dispatcher tells the caller police will handle the situation from here.
Neighbor:
Very distraught, says she can’t believe somebody’s been killed.
911 dispatcher:
Listen, we don’t know if they’ve been killed. We know they’ve been probably … [21:22]
Neighbor:
Frantic – no, he’s dead laying on the ground.
911 dispatcher:
Just because he’s laying on the ground …
Neighbor:
Oh, my God!
911 dispatcher:
Just because he’s laying on the ground doesn’t mean he’s passed. We have an ambulance on the way as well. [21:32] We’re probably going to pick him up and take him to the hospital.
Neighbor:
I didn’t see it because it was too dark and I just heard people screaming ‘help me, help me.’ And this person shot him. He was like wrestling with him, you know what I mean? On the ground, from what I could see, it was very dark. [21:47]
[She says she doesn’t want to be a witness initially, later says she’ll talk to police.]
911 dispatcher:
OK I’ll leave you as anonymous.
Neighbor:
I’m just scared. I can’t even believe … this is another person … Oh, my God, I hope [inaudible] this young boy. I’ve never seen anyone killed. This is like a nice neighborhood, this is like, you know, Oh, my God. I don’t want – I’m too scared to live here. [22:28]
911 dispatcher:
You don’t have to worry right now. We have many officers on the way and at least two officers on the scene now. So we are on scene, OK?
Neighbor:
Oh, my God. To see someone killed laying on the grass. Oh, my God. I want to know what happened. I want to know why would this man …
911 dispatcher:
Once the incident calms down a little bit you can probably try to ask one of the officers what’s going on. But in the meantime it’s probably best …
Neighbor:
Oh, my God. Here comes another police officer. It’s right outside my window. I mean, it’s like two feet [inaudible] and 10 feet from my window. [23:07] Oh, my God. Why would somebody kill someone like that.
911 dispatcher:
Of course we’re not going to know the details …
Neighbor:
Oh, I can’t look. I mean, the officer’s shining the light on the person – he killed someone. Oh, my God! Oh, my God! [23:29]
911 dispatcher:
Did you hear or see anything else suspicious before you heard …
Neighbor:
No, I was watching my TV [inaudible] my back window and I heard people talking out there and I was kind of like ‘oh, gosh, with the pouring rain, why would they be outside. I figured walking their dog or something. And then I heard more talking voices and I didn’t open my window and then I just, it looked like I saw two men talking to each other. It looked like they were wrestling each other and then I heard the man saying ‘help, help’ [24:04]
I mean, I would have helped if I could have. He’s walking … the police officer’s bringing the person away that someone …
911 dispatcher:
Alright, stay inside your house for the time being. Once this thing calms down a little bit …
Neighbor:
Oh, God, I mean they’re looking at the person that’s dead … [very distraught – 24:29]
911 dispatcher:
You’re very emotional. You may want to step away from the window for the time being.
Neighbor:
[The dispatcher and neighbor discuss her calling friend or family to be with her – she’s extremely distraught.]
911 dispatcher:
Right now the best thing to do is probably stay inside. It’s probably going to just make you emotional looking out the window. You should probably walk away for now.
Neighbor:
I just can’t believe it, I wish I could have done something for the person.
911 dispatcher:
From what I can see, we possibly have the person that’s responsible so you don’t have to sorry about that for now.
Neighbor:
Yes, I know, but when someone yells for help, you wish you could have helped them. You know? I mean, I don’t have a gun or anything but … I am sorry but …
911 dispatcher:
That’s OK …
Neighbor:
I never – I can’t believe, I could never even imagine anything like this where I live, you know.
911 dispatcher:
Hindsight is always 20/20. The whole thing happened too quickly. I mean, you weren’t the only one that heard. Like I said earlier, a lot of other people called about it in your neighborhood.
Neighbor:
I mean, the people that like are back there, their porches are right there. They were probably like three feet. They could have ran out and helped the person, you know.
911 dispatcher:
Honestly, calling 911 is the best way to help this man, especially to get the ambulance rolling out there as fast as we could.
Neighbor:
OK, so people called even before I did?
911 dispatcher:
Yeah, we got a bunch of calls all at once so trust me, a lot of people in your area called in and an ambulance was rolling right away. Police as well. Right now I can tell you police might be out there for a while since they’re investigating a serious crime.
Neighbor:
Should I stay here or should I go down there and say anything? [26:53]
911 dispatcher:
For now you might just want to stay in your house and wait for things to calm down a little bit. Investigators might go door-to-door to see if anyone else might have heard or seen anything else out of the ordinary. Of course if you hear a knock at your door and it’s a police officer you probably should try to talk to them. It might make you feel a little better as well because they can tell you exactly what’s going on and details of whether or not you should be worried.
Neighbor:
I hear a lot of cars [inaudible]
911 dispatcher:
There’s probably going to be a lot of sirens. Trust me, the sirens will be over soon. They’re probably going to take this guy to the hospital if …
Neighbor:
I just heard them say something, all the cars are outside my house right now in the front. Sorry, I’m just shaking.
[Neighbor, dispatcher discuss friend for her support – she’s having a tough time coping with the situation. She suggests someone calling her for support, for trauma. Dispatcher suggests getting her some help if she feels she needs it – she said she can’t even hold onto the phone because her hand was shaking. Offers an ambulance to come check her out if needed. He suggests a victim’s advocate to come out and respond to her.]
Ends 32:42
Neighbor #7, female - Call begins 32:43
911 dispatcher:
911 – police, fire, or medical?
Neighbor:
My brother said someone got shot behind our house.
911 dispatcher:
OK, what is the address out there?
Neighbor:
[Edited]
911 dispatcher:
Is your brother out there right now?
Neighbor:
No, he ran in the house.
911 dispatcher:
Do you know who was shot?
Neighbor:
I have no idea. I’m inside.
911 dispatcher:
OK. Is that the address where they’re at or the address where you’re at?
Neighbor:
It’s behind our house.
SANFORD, Florida (Isabelle Zehnder reporting) -- Moments before 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed by 28-year-old neighborhood watch captain, George Zimmerman, neighbors made calls to 911. Below is a transcription of those calls.
Warning: Some may find contents of the 911 calls disturbing.
MSNBC provided 911 tape recordings of the night of the shooting. The first call is Zimmerman calling 911. Subsequent calls are nearby neighbors who also called 911.
Click here to listen to Zimmerman's call and for a transciption of the call.
Neighbor #1, male - Call begins 4:12
Police … I just heard a shot right behind my house. [4:14] They’re wrestling right in the back of my porch.
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911 dispatcher:
You just heard one shot go off?
Neighbor:
It was either that or a rock at the window, I don’t know, the guy’s yelling “help” and I’m not going outside. [4:34]
911 dispatcher:
OK, you hear someone yelling for help?
Neighbor:
Um, I’m pretty sure the guy’s dead out here – holy sh*t! [5:03]
911 dispatcher:
OK, we have several people calling in also. Anything else that you heard?
Neighbor:
Uh, no. A guy yelling “help.” Oh, my God! Um, there’s a guy with a flashlight in the backyard now. I think there’s flashlights, and there’s a guy – I don’t know if that’s a cop.
911 dispatcher:
OK, we’ve had several calls in. Are you sure you heard voices? Was there just one …
Neighbor:
There’s two guys. There’s two guys in the backyard with flashlights and there’s a black guy down and it looks like he’s been shot and he’s dead. He’s laying and there’s multiple people calling. [5:50]
911 dispatcher:
OK, I have several officers going there, OK? Thank you. Bye.
Neighbor:
Bye.
Ends 6:00
Neighbor #2, Female - Call begins 6:01
911 dispatcher:
911 police, fire, and medical.
Neighbor:
Um, maybe both, I’m not sure. There’s just someone screaming outside [screaming could be heard – 6:15]
911 dispatcher:
OK, what’s the address they’re near?
Neighbor:
[Address omitted]
911 dispatcher:
OK, is it a male or female?
Neighbor:
It sounds like a male.
911 dispatcher:
And you don’t know why?
Neighbor:
I don’t know why. I think they’re yelling “help” but I don’t know. [6:32] Just send someone please, crap.
911 dispatcher:
Does he look hurt to you?
Neighbor:
I can’t see him and I don’t want to go out there, I don’t know what’s going on. [Screams could be heard – 6:47]
911 dispatcher:
Do you think he’s yelling “help”?
Neighbor:
Yes.
911 dispatcher:
Alright [inaudible]
Neighbor:
Just … there’s gunshots [6:55]
911 dispatcher:
You just heard gunshots?
Click here to hear gunshot [at 0.45]
Neighbor:
Yes.
911 dispatcher:
How many?
Neighbor:
Just one … [Speaks to someone in the room][ 7:05]
911 dispatcher:
[Inaudible] – possibly: Is someone bleeding?
Neighbor:
I don’t know. [Speaks to someone in the room]
911 dispatcher:
Alright, is he right outside?
Neighbor:
Yeah, pretty much out the back deck [7:25]
911 dispatcher:
Is he in front of it or behind that?
Neighbor:
He’s behind my house. [Stay away from the windows.]
911 dispatcher:
I don’t hear him yelling anymore. Do you hear anything? [7:34]
Neighbor:
No, I don’t because I’m hiding upstairs because there was a gunshot right outside our house. You obviously sent someone, right?
911 dispatcher:
Yes they’ve been dispatched. What’s your name and phone number?
Neighbor:
My name is [edited] my phone number is [edited.]
911 dispatcher:
How do you spell your last name?
Neighbor:
[Edited.]
911 dispatcher:
Do you hear any vehicles leaving or anyone else? Do you hear anything?
Neighbor:
There’s people out there and I don’t want to go down there. [8:14]
911 dispatcher:
Multiple people are yelling now?
Neighbor:
Yeah. [8:20]
911 dispatcher:
OK – we do have officers on the way. Call us back if you do hear or see anything suspicious like any vehicles leaving or anything like that, OK?
Neighbor:
OK.
911 dispatcher:
Alright, thank you. Bye.
Ends 8:44
Neighbor #3, female - Call begins 8:45
911 dispatcher:
What is your emergency – police, fire, or medical?
Neighbor:
Police please.
911 dispatcher:
For what address or [inaudible]
Neighbor:
I’m at [edited] – there’s someone screaming outside.
911 dispatcher:
Is it where you’re at?
Neighbor:
Yes, I heard a gunshot – hurry up.
911 dispatcher:
OK.
Neighbor:
Some just [inaudible]
911 dispatcher:
Do you see anybody? I don’t need you to go outside.
Neighbor:
There’s someone screaming – I just heard gunshots [caller frantic] [9:17]
911 dispatcher:
OK. Do you see anything? I don’t need you to go outside but do you see anything? Do you hear squealing of tires, anything?
Neighbor:
Hurry up, they’re right outside my house.
911 dispatcher:
OK. We are sending someone. Are you in Sanford?
Neighbor:
Yes.
911 dispatcher:
What is your name?
Neighbor:
I see a person now. [9:47]
911 dispatcher:
What is your address? [Asks neighbor to spell name and address] – asks How old are you?
Neighbor:
I’m 40.
911 dispatcher:
OK, do you see the officer?
Neighbor:
Yeah, but like, it’s behind my house – it’s not the front entrance, it’s near – oh my God.
911 dispatcher:
Near what? Tell me so I can tell them.
Neighbor:
Like, if you’re looking at my house it’s behind, by my back porch.
911 dispatcher:
OK – coming from behind your house?
Neighbor:
Yes, by the back porch.
911 dispatcher:
OK, stay on the line with me and update me. Did you see anything at all or did you just hear screaming?
Neighbor:
I just heard screaming and gun shots.
911 dispatcher:
OK. We have an officer there. Did you hear anymore gunshots?
Neighbor:
No, I don’t hear any more.
911 dispatcher:
So it’s one gunshot you heard?
Neighbor:
Yes.
911 dispatcher:
OK.
Neighbor:
Hurry up, hurry up. Hurry.
911 dispatcher:
There’s officers out there. If anything changes give us a call back but we do have several officers there. One officer is there, OK?
Neighbor:
Do they see anything?
911 dispatcher:
I’m not sure m’am. I just show that he’s there and that two other officers are on their way. OK? If anything changes or you hear any more give us a call back. Because as far as you know it’s coming from behind your house near your back porch area?
Neighbor:
Yes.
911 dispatcher:
When you heard the screaming, did you hear screaming of a female or of a male? [11:37]
Neighbor:
A male. [11:40]
911 dispatcher:
OK, so when you heard screaming it was a male screaming?
Neighbor:
Yes.
911 dispatcher:
OK.
Neighbor:
Oh, my God! The guy on top has a white t-shirt. [11:51]
911 dispatcher:
What do you mean guy on top? Did you see a fight? [11:59]
Neighbor:
I don’t know. I just looked out my window and the guy on top has a white t-shirt.
911 dispatcher:
A white t-shirt. Did you see what kind of pants?
Neighbor:
No.
911 dispatcher:
OK, he’s on top of what?
Neighbor:
I couldn’t see the other thing. I couldn’t see the person he was on. [12:16]
911 dispatcher:
But he’s on top of a person? [12:18]
Neighbor:
Uh, huh.
911 dispatcher:
OK, is he, the guy with the white t-shirt, did he get up and run?
Neighbor:
I don’t know – I came to the phone and called you. [12:29]
911 dispatcher:
OK. Was he White, Black, or Hispanic when you saw him?
Neighbor:
I couldn’t tell, it was completely dark.
911 dispatcher:
OK. Well, we have several units in route, OK?
Neighbor:
OK.
911 dispatcher:
Thank you, bye.
Ends 12:49
Neighbor #4, female - Call begins 12:50
911 dispatcher:
Fire, police, or medical?
Neighbor:
This is 911, correct?
911 dispatcher:
Correct. You need police, fire, or medical?
Neighbor:
I’m sorry, police or medical. I don’t know Ma’am. I’m at [edited] and someone’s yelling two doors down from me, screaming, hollering ‘help, help, help.’ There’s an elderly man that lives down here. I don’t know what happened and then I thought I heard like a gunshot inside. I don’t know – so probably ambulance.
911 dispatcher:
OK, how many shots did you hear?
Neighbor:
One. [12:22]
911 dispatcher:
How long ago was this shot?
Neighbor:
Just like, I just heard it. When I heard that I picked up the phone and called you. [13:29]
911 dispatcher:
Before calling 911?
Neighbor:
Yes, Ma’am.
911 dispatcher:
Is it coming from [edited].
Neighbor:
No, I live [edited] and I’m inside by my large sliding glass door and there’s somebody out in the back porch, I mean, two doors down there’s an elderly man that lives there. Somebody walking around with a flashlight. I don’t know who it is. Maybe the police are already here, I don’t know because someone’s out there with a flashlight. And I did hear something …
911 dispatcher:
Yes, they should have units that are there – wait one second.
Neighbor:
Oh, my God.
911 dispatcher:
And the screaming – was it a male or a female that you heard? [14:22]
Neighbor:
It sounded to me like a male, OK, and what I know is this neighbor since I’ve been here four years, there’s an elderly man that lives like 1, 2, 3, 4 doors down north of me. And I’m inside.
911 dispatcher:
Do you think it’s coming from your area not [inaudible].
Neighbor:
I really don’t know because I’m not outside Ma’am. But I’m sitting by my back sliding glass door. There's someone out there right now. I don’t see anything but their flashlights shining around.
But I did hear someone yelling ‘help, help, help’ or something like that. Oh my God or something, and then moaning and then I heard a “boom” and I picked up the phone and I called.
911 dispatcher:
OK, so did you see or hear anything else like a vehicle leaving?
Neighbor:
No, Ma’am because I’m in the back, and the back is like there’s just a walkway, there’s no – I mean if somebody was in the front in a car, I don’t know. But as far as the back here I did not hear any kind of vehicle, no.
911 dispatcher:
And what was your name?
Neighbor:
[Edited]. Boy, it was scary.
911 dispatcher:
And your phone number, is it [inaudible].
Neighbor:
Yes, Ma’am. There’s still somebody walking around with flashlights back there.
911 dispatcher:
It might be an officer, I’m showing there should be one on scene.
Neighbor:
OK, all I can see is lights shining back and forth, which I don’t see a person walking or anything. I just see a light so …
911 dispatcher:
Yes, it could be officers.
Neighbor:
Alright, thank you.
911 dispatcher:
No problem, Ma’am. Thank you.
Ends 16:05
Neighbor #5, female - Call begins 16:13
911 dispatcher:
911 – police, fire, or medical?
Neighbor:
Medical.
911 dispatcher:
What location are you at?
Neighbor:
I think someone’s been shot.
911 dispatcher:
Where at?
Neighbor:
Oh, my God!
911 dispatcher:
Where? [Inaudible] Why do you think someone’s been shot?
Neighbor:
Because they’re out in the backyard and a gun just went off and they said call 911. Now there’s people coming with flashlights. Get inside, get inside, get inside (sounds like she’s talking to her kids.)
911 dispatcher:
You said it’s in the backyard?
Neighbor:
Yes, in the backyard. Yeah.
911 dispatcher:
Is there someone laying in the backyard?
Neighbor:
Yeah, and there’s people around them now. Get inside, [name ommitted].
911 dispatcher:
Do you know if it’s kids?
Neighbor:
No, [talks to someone else then says] it’s a black guy
911 dispatcher:
We’ve got units on the way. What do you mean it’s a black guy – that got shot?
Neighbor:
I don’t know. “[Name ommitted], is it the black guy that got shot?” [17:24]
I see a black guy standing up.
911 dispatcher:
There’s a black male standing?
Neighbor:
Yeah, and there’s people coming out with uh, let me go upstairs and look out my window.
911 dispatcher:
Can you tell me what the guy’s wearing?
Neighbor:
Police are here. I think someone else called 911.
911 dispatcher:
It looks like they did. OK, you do see officers out there with that guy?
Neighbor:
I think that’s the black guy that I see.
911 dispatcher:
OK thanks. Bye.
Ends 18:11
Neighbor #6, female - Call begins 18:12
911 dispatcher:
911 – police, fire, or medical?
Neighbor:
I’m looking out my deck of my townhome and I heard someone screaming “help” and I don’t know, I heard like a bang. [18:18]
911 dispatcher:
Now you say you live at [edited]
Neighbor:
My townhome. Yes, I’m looking out my window of my backyard and someone is yelling and screaming “help” and I heard a pop noise and they’re both still out there right now and I don’t know what’s going on. [18:43]
911 dispatcher:
You’re not the only person that’s calling. We already have one officer on the scene and others on the way …
Neighbor:
Oh, good. Oh, my God! I see the person right now. I see him like walking. There’s a man coming out … there’s people coming out with flashlights [18:56]. Oh, my God! I don’t know what he did to this person. I can’t see, there’s a man walking with a flashlight right now.
911 dispatcher:
Dispatcher tries to talk, she talks over him and asks was it a male or a female voice that was screaming. [19:11]
Neighbor:
I guess a man, I don’t know. The man is up right now and someone’s coming over. I’m glad other people called. [19:19]
911 dispatcher:
Alright, we should be out there right now.
Neighbor:
I can open my window and hear it if you want me to. [19:27]
911 dispatcher:
You can still hear it?
Neighbor:
I’m looking out my window. Somebody’s over there taking a flashlight. I don’t know what’s happening. Someone’s on the ground. [19:37]
911 dispatcher:
You see someone laying on the ground?
Neighbor:
I think someone’s been shot. I don’t know what’s going on. [19:42]
911 dispatcher:
Calm down, stay on the line with me. Like I said, we have an officer on the scene.
Neighbor:
Oh, my God, they better hurry up. I don’t know if someone’s dead on the ground or something. Oh, my God! [19:52]
911 dispatcher:
Are they laying down?
Neighbor:
I can see out my back window and there’s a sidewalk and grass and stuff. [Inaudible] There’s a man who’s out there with a flashlight with a man who’s been wrestling … [20:14]
911 dispatcher:
Is this person laying down in the street?
Neighbor:
No, you can see from my back window – people are coming over. [20:24]
911 dispatcher:
So is the person you see laying down, laying down in the street or in the grass?
Neighbor:
On the grass. Oh, my God. People are coming, there’s another gentleman with a flashlight. I don’t know if they’re police or not. Oh, my God, he’s shot, he shot the person. He said he shot the person.
911 dispatcher:
Who is saying they shot who?
Neighbor:
The people out there – um – a guy is waving his hands up saying he shot a person. I can see a police officer that’s with him right now. Oh, my God [inaudible]. [20:57]
911 dispatcher:
The dispatcher tells the caller police will handle the situation from here.
Neighbor:
Very distraught, says she can’t believe somebody’s been killed.
911 dispatcher:
Listen, we don’t know if they’ve been killed. We know they’ve been probably … [21:22]
Neighbor:
Frantic – no, he’s dead laying on the ground.
911 dispatcher:
Just because he’s laying on the ground …
Neighbor:
Oh, my God!
911 dispatcher:
Just because he’s laying on the ground doesn’t mean he’s passed. We have an ambulance on the way as well. [21:32] We’re probably going to pick him up and take him to the hospital.
Neighbor:
I didn’t see it because it was too dark and I just heard people screaming ‘help me, help me.’ And this person shot him. He was like wrestling with him, you know what I mean? On the ground, from what I could see, it was very dark. [21:47]
[She says she doesn’t want to be a witness initially, later says she’ll talk to police.]
911 dispatcher:
OK I’ll leave you as anonymous.
Neighbor:
I’m just scared. I can’t even believe … this is another person … Oh, my God, I hope [inaudible] this young boy. I’ve never seen anyone killed. This is like a nice neighborhood, this is like, you know, Oh, my God. I don’t want – I’m too scared to live here. [22:28]
911 dispatcher:
You don’t have to worry right now. We have many officers on the way and at least two officers on the scene now. So we are on scene, OK?
Neighbor:
Oh, my God. To see someone killed laying on the grass. Oh, my God. I want to know what happened. I want to know why would this man …
911 dispatcher:
Once the incident calms down a little bit you can probably try to ask one of the officers what’s going on. But in the meantime it’s probably best …
Neighbor:
Oh, my God. Here comes another police officer. It’s right outside my window. I mean, it’s like two feet [inaudible] and 10 feet from my window. [23:07] Oh, my God. Why would somebody kill someone like that.
911 dispatcher:
Of course we’re not going to know the details …
Neighbor:
Oh, I can’t look. I mean, the officer’s shining the light on the person – he killed someone. Oh, my God! Oh, my God! [23:29]
911 dispatcher:
Did you hear or see anything else suspicious before you heard …
Neighbor:
No, I was watching my TV [inaudible] my back window and I heard people talking out there and I was kind of like ‘oh, gosh, with the pouring rain, why would they be outside. I figured walking their dog or something. And then I heard more talking voices and I didn’t open my window and then I just, it looked like I saw two men talking to each other. It looked like they were wrestling each other and then I heard the man saying ‘help, help’ [24:04]
I mean, I would have helped if I could have. He’s walking … the police officer’s bringing the person away that someone …
911 dispatcher:
Alright, stay inside your house for the time being. Once this thing calms down a little bit …
Neighbor:
Oh, God, I mean they’re looking at the person that’s dead … [very distraught – 24:29]
911 dispatcher:
You’re very emotional. You may want to step away from the window for the time being.
Neighbor:
[The dispatcher and neighbor discuss her calling friend or family to be with her – she’s extremely distraught.]
911 dispatcher:
Right now the best thing to do is probably stay inside. It’s probably going to just make you emotional looking out the window. You should probably walk away for now.
Neighbor:
I just can’t believe it, I wish I could have done something for the person.
911 dispatcher:
From what I can see, we possibly have the person that’s responsible so you don’t have to sorry about that for now.
Neighbor:
Yes, I know, but when someone yells for help, you wish you could have helped them. You know? I mean, I don’t have a gun or anything but … I am sorry but …
911 dispatcher:
That’s OK …
Neighbor:
I never – I can’t believe, I could never even imagine anything like this where I live, you know.
911 dispatcher:
Hindsight is always 20/20. The whole thing happened too quickly. I mean, you weren’t the only one that heard. Like I said earlier, a lot of other people called about it in your neighborhood.
Neighbor:
I mean, the people that like are back there, their porches are right there. They were probably like three feet. They could have ran out and helped the person, you know.
911 dispatcher:
Honestly, calling 911 is the best way to help this man, especially to get the ambulance rolling out there as fast as we could.
Neighbor:
OK, so people called even before I did?
911 dispatcher:
Yeah, we got a bunch of calls all at once so trust me, a lot of people in your area called in and an ambulance was rolling right away. Police as well. Right now I can tell you police might be out there for a while since they’re investigating a serious crime.
Neighbor:
Should I stay here or should I go down there and say anything? [26:53]
911 dispatcher:
For now you might just want to stay in your house and wait for things to calm down a little bit. Investigators might go door-to-door to see if anyone else might have heard or seen anything else out of the ordinary. Of course if you hear a knock at your door and it’s a police officer you probably should try to talk to them. It might make you feel a little better as well because they can tell you exactly what’s going on and details of whether or not you should be worried.
Neighbor:
I hear a lot of cars [inaudible]
911 dispatcher:
There’s probably going to be a lot of sirens. Trust me, the sirens will be over soon. They’re probably going to take this guy to the hospital if …
Neighbor:
I just heard them say something, all the cars are outside my house right now in the front. Sorry, I’m just shaking.
[Neighbor, dispatcher discuss friend for her support – she’s having a tough time coping with the situation. She suggests someone calling her for support, for trauma. Dispatcher suggests getting her some help if she feels she needs it – she said she can’t even hold onto the phone because her hand was shaking. Offers an ambulance to come check her out if needed. He suggests a victim’s advocate to come out and respond to her.]
Ends 32:42
Neighbor #7, female - Call begins 32:43
911 dispatcher:
911 – police, fire, or medical?
Neighbor:
My brother said someone got shot behind our house.
911 dispatcher:
OK, what is the address out there?
Neighbor:
[Edited]
911 dispatcher:
Is your brother out there right now?
Neighbor:
No, he ran in the house.
911 dispatcher:
Do you know who was shot?
Neighbor:
I have no idea. I’m inside.
911 dispatcher:
OK. Is that the address where they’re at or the address where you’re at?
Neighbor:
It’s behind our house.
911 dispatcher:
Behind your house?
Neighbor:
Yeah.
911 dispatcher:
OK, you didn’t see anything else, or hear anything else?
Neighbor:
No. I wasn’t outside.
911 dispatcher:
OK. Did you hear the shot?
Neighbor:
I heard something then my brother ran in the house.
911 dispatcher:
OK. And your brother didn’t see anything else?
Neighbor:
My brother saw it.
911 dispatcher:
OK. Is your brother there right now?
Neighbor:
He’s next to me.
911 dispatcher:
OK, can you give him the phone?
Neighbor:
Yeah.
Brother:
Hello.
911 dispatcher:
Sir, what exactly did you see?
Brother:
I saw a man laying on the ground and he was held down screaming and I was gonna go over there and try to help him but my dog ran off the leash so I went and got my dog and then I heard a loud sound and then the screaming stopped. [34:10]
911 dispatcher:
OK, then did you see the person get shot?
Brother:
No.
911 dispatcher:
OK. Do you know the person who was shot or did you see the person who had the gun?
Brother:
No, I just heard a loud gunshot sound and then the screaming stopped.
911 dispatcher:
OK, we do have officers in the area right now.
Neighbor:
OK.
911 dispatcher:
OK, thanks a lot. Bye.
Ends 34:34
Above is a transcription of neighbors who called 911 moments before Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin. It was transcribed to the best of the transcriber's abilities, and is not meant to replace any official transcript of the call.
You can listen to the neighbors' calls here from 4:12 to 34:34.
On February 26, 2012, Trayvon Martin, 17, was walking home from a convenience store after purchasing an Arizona iced tea and Skittles. Moments later he was lying dead on the ground, shot to death by volunteer neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman, 28.
Trayvon Martin's father, Tracy Martin, was staying in his fiancee's gated Sanford, Florida neighborhood where his son was shot and killed while returning from a local convenience store.
I don’t know. I just looked out my window and the guy on top has a white t-shirt.
911 dispatcher:
A white t-shirt. Did you see what kind of pants?
Were either of them wearing a white t shirt that day? Trayvon was wearing a hoodie too not a tee btw.
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That's interesting to note about the white T shirt. After watching several hours of television on this I don't recall anyone saying the color of Trayvon's clothing except to say he wore a hoodie. If it was mentioned, and it could have been, then I missed it. But it's well known Zimmerman had a red jacket of sorts and a light green t-shirt according to the videos at the police station. Maybe Trayvon's hoodie was white?
One participant in the case, not a witness, says Trayvon's feet were pointing towards the sidewalk when they found him. That's odd considering Zimmerman supposedly shot him while they were struggling on or near the sidewalk with Zimmerman's head near the concrete. This then would mean Trayvon's feet should have pointed towards the apartment building if Zimmerman was underneath Trayvon when he shot him.
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quote:Originally posted by facts: Trayvon probably stood his ground too. I dont know , to be honest. Can't really tell which camp is being truthful. Anywho, I just like fucking with Afrocentrists especially the Jamaican beyotch, cause yall make me sick!
quote:Originally posted by Grumman: Facts, here's a hypothetical for you. If you're in a fistfight in Florida and you discover the other combatant is armed just as you are and after gaining the upperhand pugilistically speaking, then you suddenly started losing the battle, do you have a right to shoot the person?
Dont fool yourself. You dont just "like fucking with afrocentrist", You have a black obsession. A serious mental disease. Stop playing it off like yyour doing it for fun because your not. Your doing it because you suffer from mental illness.
funny, because the only obsession i see with this whole Zimmerman thing, is black people obsessed over whites...
Zimmerman is NOT white, he's a mestizo hispanic. He's nothing to do with white people. Yet blacks are calling him white and trying to blame white people for what he committed. That is sick obsession. Blacks will blame non-white crimes on white people.
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quote:Originally posted by facts: Trayvon probably stood his ground too. I dont know , to be honest. Can't really tell which camp is being truthful. Anywho, I just like fucking with Afrocentrists especially the Jamaican beyotch, cause yall make me sick!
quote:Originally posted by Grumman: Facts, here's a hypothetical for you. If you're in a fistfight in Florida and you discover the other combatant is armed just as you are and after gaining the upperhand pugilistically speaking, then you suddenly started losing the battle, do you have a right to shoot the person?
Dont fool yourself. You dont just "like fucking with afrocentrist", You have a black obsession. A serious mental disease. Stop playing it off like yyour doing it for fun because your not. Your doing it because you suffer from mental illness.
funny, because the only obsession i see with this whole Zimmerman thing, is black people obsessed over whites...
Zimmerman is NOT white, he's a mestizo hispanic. He's nothing to do with white people. Yet blacks are calling him white and trying to blame white people for what he committed. That is sick obsession. Blacks will blame non-white crimes on white people.
Actually our issue is with the Law Enforcement and Florida attorney general and not with Zimmerman. Based on the facts, Zimmerman is not likely to be found guilty or even if he his the sentence would be rather light. However, our issue is that due process should have been served and the evidence gathered rather than the police releasing Zimmerman.
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The new ''enhanced'' video showing a mangled head is suspicious to me. Zimmerman may have sustained a small cut but this new enhanced version is hard to accept. It seems so out of place on the back of his head that the original footage should have shown *something* to that affect. Considering the ghastlyness of this wound it surely appears to me that he would have needed multiple stitches many times over to close it up.
According to an analyst on television Monday she broke a time-line down and said Zimmerman was treated about eight minutes on the scene before leaving for the police station. Even though the head wound enhancement was supposedly done by professionals I still remain highly doubtful. Zimmerman's head looked like play dough after having been gouged by a kid.
Furthermore an ambulance request for Zimmerman was turned down by the police.
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quote:Originally posted by facts: Trayvon probably stood his ground too. I dont know , to be honest. Can't really tell which camp is being truthful. Anywho, I just like fucking with Afrocentrists especially the Jamaican beyotch, cause yall make me sick!
quote:Originally posted by Grumman: [qb] Facts, here's a hypothetical for you. If you're in a fistfight in Florida and you discover the other combatant is armed just as you are and after gaining the upperhand pugilistically speaking, then you suddenly started losing the battle, do you have a right to shoot the person?
Dont fool yourself. You dont just "like fucking with afrocentrist", You have a black obsession. A serious mental disease. Stop playing it off like yyour doing it for fun because your not. Your doing it because you suffer from mental illness.
funny, because the only obsession i see with this whole Zimmerman thing, is black people obsessed over whites...
Zimmerman is NOT white, he's a mestizo hispanic.
1. Many would disagree. Socially he could be treated as white because of the fact that even if he is mixed with a woman from Peru it is very doubtful she is 100% non European making Zimmerman more than half white.
quote: He's nothing to do with white people. Yet blacks are calling him white and trying to blame white people for what he committed. That is sick obsession. Blacks will blame non-white crimes on white people.
Zimmerman's racial mixture is to me irrelevant at this point. Zimmerman is nonetheless reflective of white privileges in America. He has gotten away with numerous charges of assault and has a white father who is a judge. Perhaps most important though, is that Zimmerman supporters have been relying on the whitening of his appearance and trying to emphasize images of Trayvon taking part in things associated with black culture to justify his murder:
And in addition to these pictures, these supporters want to try blaming the victim for wearing a hoodie, again trying to make associations with what they stereotype as "black culture." So even if he wasn't white this method of appealing to people reflects how things would've gone down if he were. I actually find that ironic since they're pretty much ignoring that the hip hop industry is backed predominantly white males who could roam the streets in a hoodie and not have society think it's okay for them to get shot over it. The case at this point reeks of white privilege and attempts to help Zimmerman get by by whitening his image up and trying to emphasize Trayvon as a "black thug" for doin sh!t that white people can get away with.
One ex: I found on youtube
And how many of those white racists were lining up to vote for McCain and her mother. They would support justice for Bristol if she were in his position and images of her trying to look 'gangsta' and partying it up wouldn't have changed the fact it was wrong to kill her.
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You talk about stereotypes and associations then proceed to "break down" Zimmerman as "more than half white" so as to make him "reflective of white privileges in America", then conclude with no evidence whatsoever that he has "gotten away" with charges (as if there has never been instances in US where charges have been dropped for people with or without judge fathers as well as those black and white) and of course you bring up his judge father to draw conclusions you again have no evidence to support. Just associations, i.e. stereotypes of middle class nonblacks. Then you will scream bloody racism when others stereotype Martin as a "thug" for his race and "complicated" history. lol
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quote: You talk about stereotypes and associations then proceed to "break down" Zimmerman as "more than half white" so as to make him "reflective of white privileges in America",
Actually I did not say Zimmerman was reflective of white privileges in America because of whatever degrees of racial ancestry he has. That was a separate response to another part of Cassi's quote. What I said was He has gotten away with numerous charges of assault and has a white father who is a judge. I also said: "Perhaps most important though, is that Zimmerman supporters have been relying on the whitening of his appearance and trying to emphasize images of Trayvon taking part in things associated with black culture to justify his murder:"
quote:then conclude with no evidence whatsoever that he has "gotten away" with charges (as if there has never been instances in US where charges have been dropped for people with or without judge fathers as well as those black and white) and of course you bring up his judge father to draw conclusions you again have no evidence to support. Just associations, i.e. stereotypes of middle class nonblacks. Then you will scream bloody racism when others stereotype Martin as a "thug" for his race and "complicated" history. lol
Again, assault. Three times. including an instance of assault on a police officer. His wife then seeks a court order for her own protection. I find being charged with assault not once, but three times and and once on a police officer a bit difficult to believe as sheer coincidence when it gets dropped in his circumstance. Oh and don't forget his fiance making moves for a court order. Stop acting as though I provided no evidence on the matter. The degree of times he has gotten off is what I find difficult to believe is mere coincidence.
BTW I never said this was the biggest display of white privilege by a long shot. In fact you may be able to even argue that it was classism. Knowing this, I looked to assess information surrounding that fact before arriving to the conclusion I had. I even said to you as well, that it wasn't a very important example compared to the other one I gave. Even if you'd like to cast the one you've been discussing it off as a weak example I still love how you ignored what I had said was the most important revelation of white privilege. That was, the idea that if they can "whiten" Zimmerman up, and post photos of Trayvon being stereotypically "black" so they can justify Zimmerman's shooting of the kid. Or they can blame him for wearing a hoodie so they can justify his murder. You didn't exactly have a response to that did you? No you did not. What that is important in demonstrating is that even if you wanna argue that he's not black, we can easily see how things would go down if he were because of their efforts to whiten up his appearance and to present a picture of Trayvon with gold in his mouth to justify his murder. You cannot separate all these pieces of information. Every bit of information as a whole was what allowed me to arrive to my conclusion.
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quote:The degree of times he has gotten off is what I find difficult to believe is mere coincidence.
I don't want your belief I want facts. How do you know he "got off" because of daddy? Exactly how did his father influence the proceedings? If you are going to argue that, well, it just doesn't look right, then how is that different from people saying same about Martin's past: gold teeth, drugs, jewelry (stolen according to them, like you no evidence for claim) just doesn't look right. He's the typical black thug.
quote:In fact you may be able to even argue that it was classism.
Now you run from race to class warfare. lol Same problem though: proof. How do you know he "got off" because of his class position? What proof do you have for all these accusations commie?
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quote:The degree of times he has gotten off is what I find difficult to believe is mere coincidence.
I don't want your belief I want facts. How do you know he "got off" because of daddy? Exactly how did his father influence the proceedings? If you are going to argue that, well, it just doesn't look right, then how is that different from people saying same about Martin's past: gold teeth, drugs, jewelry (stolen according to them, like you no evidence for claim) just doesn't look right. He's the typical black thug.
Again not thinking this was evidence suitable enough on it's own, I supplemented it with additional information. Allow me to translate: I would not have formed a conclusion if I hadn't considered that information. You are trying to parade my judgements as completely absent of any evidence to liken me to Zimmerman. It won't work most particularly because you are strawmanning by omitting the part I felt much more compelling evidence wise. You won't argue that presented information and at this point it seems you are unable to. You're sticking to the point I'd noted was the weakest and not the stronger point I supplemented it with because even I didn't think it was viable on it's own. Posts: 2508 | From: . | Registered: Nov 2011
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quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: [QB] Whites MURDER blacks on a daily basis. That's a given, so why the fuss over this single incident when it's no one's fault but our own.
Stop being led by your noses and get off your lazy asses and Jam!
by "jam" do you mean play music?
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quote:including an instance of assault on a police officer.
An "assault" on police can give an impression of punching or "beating up" an officer. However that doesn't seem to be the case.
Fact:"In 2005, Zimmerman, then 20, was arrested and charged with “resisting officer with violence” and “battery of law enforcement officer,” both which are third-degree felonies. The charge was reduced to “resisting officer without violence” and then waived when he entered an alcohol education program. Contemporaneous accounts indicate he shoved an officer who was questioning a friend for alleged underage drinking at an Orange County bar."
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: "supplemented it with additional information."
Oh really? lol Where?
quote:I still love how you ignored what I had said was the most important revelation of white privilege. That was, the idea that if they can "whiten" Zimmerman up, and post photos of Trayvon being stereotypically "black" so they can justify Zimmerman's shooting of the kid. Or they can blame him for wearing a hoodie so they can justify his murder. You didn't exactly have a response to that did you? No you did not. What that is important in demonstrating is that even if you wanna argue that he's not black, we can easily see how things would go down if he were because of their efforts to whiten up his appearance and to present a picture of Trayvon with gold in his mouth to justify his murder.
quote:Fact:"In 2005, Zimmerman, then 20, was arrested and charged with “resisting officer with violence” and “battery of law enforcement officer,” both which are third-degree felonies. The charge was reduced to “resisting officer without violence” and then waived when he entered an alcohol education program. Contemporaneous accounts indicate he shoved an officer who was questioning a friend for alleged underage drinking at an Orange County bar."
Opinion: he "got off" because of his judge father. an instance of white privilege.
I'd respond but you'd use that to persist in doing what I'd asked you to stop. Like I said earlier:
quote:You're sticking to the point I'd noted was the weakest and not the stronger point I supplemented it with because even I didn't think it [the weaker point] was viable on it's own.
As a matter of fact, let's just drop the whole "daddy" thing as exemplifying as white privilege since I again noted it was weaker and had to be supplemented with more compelling information. So stop dancing around the reality of attempts to whiten up Zimmerman in comparison to Trayvon as reflective of white privilege. I got more involved in the Trayvon incident when I saw how Zimmerman's supporters began justifying Martin's murder for wearing a hoodie or for making a picture with gold in his mouth. That's awhile before I found out anything about his father's status.
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Dude, who the fuk is "they"? And how the hell is this relevant to the fact that you have yet to back up any of your accusations re Zimmerman and "getting away" with stuff thanks to his father and "white privilege"? Seriously. Posts: 4254 | From: dasein | Registered: Jun 2009
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quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: Dude, who the fuk is "they"? And how the hell is this relevant to the fact that you have yet to back up any of your accusations re Zimmerman and "getting away" with stuff thanks to his father and "white privilege"? Seriously.
Shut your cagot ass pinkie...
Why are you pretending blind to the obvious? Are you on meth or something?
Every fuching cagots deny the existence of white privilege but it is there and messing up the entire earth!
Shut your fvck already, cagots.... Pink nose liards!
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Is there any mugshot of zimmerman from that night? Desk appearance tickets for the smallest amount of bud requires you to have a mugshot taken at the station. Front and both sides of the face.
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quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: [QB] Dude, who the fuk is "they"?
WTH you need to be told who "they" is? All you got? You're just going to pretend as though Zimmerman sympathizers hadn't been smearing Trayvon and whitening up Zimmerman not even as I showed you the photos of Zimmerman and the types of photos of Trayvon Zimmerman sympathizers are spreading. Not even as Geraldo and his butt buddy supporter Bill O'Riely justify his death because he wore a hoodie ... sayin "If you dress like a wannabe gangster, some knucklehead is going to take you at your word,”
While they think it's ok to wear it?
and all Zimmerman supporters of their ilk showing pictures like
Fake Trayvon Martin pictures
and a couple others as if to communicate his posing like this (like many white boys also do on Facebook too) justifies killing him.You have had to be very unaware to ignore the smear campaigns against him. If this had been a white teen this wouldn't have gained the momentum it had in provoking people's sympathy to Zimmerman. So if thats your only defense (feigning ignorance) we're done here.
quote:how the hell is this relevant to the fact that you have yet to back up any of your accusations re Zimmerman and "getting away" with stuff thanks to his father and "white privilege"? Seriously.
again:
quote:As a matter of fact, let's just drop the whole "daddy" thing as exemplifying as white privilege since I again noted it was weaker and had to be supplemented with more compelling information. So stop dancing around the reality of attempts to whiten up Zimmerman in comparison to Trayvon as reflective of white privilege. I got more involved in the Trayvon incident when I saw how Zimmerman's supporters began justifying Martin's murder for wearing a hoodie or for making a picture with gold in his mouth. That's awhile before I found out anything about his father's status.
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Maybe while Trayvon was straddling Zimmerman and giving him knuckle sandwiches, a card fell out of his pocket and Zimmerman paused for a moment to pick it up and read it: The bearer of this card, Trayvon Martin, is skilled in Karate and Judo and Tae kwondo.... At this point Zimmerman knew he had no chance so he took the punk ass coward's way out and killed the kid with a gunshot to the chest.. or back. He ought to feel real good about himself: stalk the boy, then is confronted himself and can't even defend his punk ass coward self except through the means of a firearm.
But I'm sure Trayvon didn't want to scar his own knuckles that much so he tried to wrest Zimmerman's gun out of his holster--all while punching and slamming Zimmerman's head on the sidewalk. Maybe Trayvon had three or four hands. It's possible. Anything could have happened that night--ask punk ass coward Zimmerman.
F..k Zimmerman. F..k Joe Oliver too.
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quote:You're just going to pretend as though Zimmerman sympathizers hadn't been smearing Trayvon and whitening up Zimmerman
Oh ok, Zimmerman sympathizers. I get it.
And also, I now see why you withdrew your original conclusions drawn from stereotyping of middle class US nonblacks. Much easier to focus on racist lunatic "supporters" now that the real Zimmerman doesn't seem to be fitting the...stereotype? Posts: 4254 | From: dasein | Registered: Jun 2009
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It was always my primary focus, I even said that the whole judge daddy thing was not the main issue and was rather weak a basis on it's own. You're trying to divert attention to what I'd stated was the primary issue from the start does not make it a reality of my changing what I'd said the most significant display of white privilege was.
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