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WHAT time periods involved significant backflow that affected all East Africans (not particular populations like Amhara)? When did East and West Africans diverge and WHEN did Euros physically change into what they are now? And is it right to broad brush the history of the Amhara (relatively recent to Ethiopia) in particular to all of East Africa? Na.

Let us also review your previous bullsh!t.

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What did you expect exactly? Something new? LOL

You know the dimwit posts the same crap over and over again no matter how many times it is debunked and it was debunked COUNTLESS times.

Most of those graphs don't even come from real scientific experts but from laymen distorters like Mathilda and Dienekes Pontikos.



The above dendogram does comes from an authentic study done by real expert (Tishkoff I'm not mistaken); however the racial labels were NOT part of it and were obviously photoshopped on! LOL

Ignoring the fake racial labels attached, to those familiar with human population history, the relations posed by the dendogram make sense. Among the various African groups, Ethiopians are closest related to non-Africans than other Africans are because all non-Africans descended from East Africans. Notice the San are intermediate between Ethiopians and the other groups even though San live in southern Africa far away from Ethiopia and closer in proximity to Bantu. There is obviously a double standard in excluding both San and Ethiopians from the other Africans who are labeled as "True Negroids" yet all the European groups listed are grouped together with North African Berbers and peoples of the 'Near East' into one simply "Caucasoid" group but notice there is no "True Caucasoid" as there are "True Negroids" which would suggest there are "fake negroids", no doubt being the San and Ethiopians. LOL Note that among the "caucasoids" Berber is an outlier being closest to Africans/Ethiopians. This is not surprising since Berbers ARE Africans but those in the coasts have high levels of European admixture. Next to the Berbers in African ancestry is the Near East which is right next to Africa. Note also that the groups in the "True Negroids" cluster have longer branches separating each other, namely the branches between Pygmies and West Africans. Longer branches implies greater genetic distance which also implies greater genetic diversity. Yet all the groups in the "Caucasoid" cluster all have short branches denoting much less diversity. This all contradicts the claims of the Pyramidiot who says "negroids" have the least diversity! LMAO

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Seriously shut the hell up. When did Europeans become the fully cold adapted Euros that they are today, when did East and west African haplogroups split, and when was the significant backflow into back from East Africa. If you cannot prove that fully adapted Euros as they are today came back and mass populated East Africa AFTER the lineages split, shut up. Stop claiming them as "Caucasoid" as if those features came from Europe.

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Ethiopia: between Sub-Saharan Africa and Western Eurasia.

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High frequencies of Y chromosome lineages characterized by E3b1, DYS19-11, DYS392-12 in Somali males

Juan J Sanchez1, Charlotte Hallenberg1, Claus Børsting1, Alexis Hernandez2 and Niels Morling1

1Department of Forensic Genetics, Institute of Forensic Medicine, University of Copenhagen, Denmark
2Departamento de Canarias, Instituto Nacional de Toxicología, La Laguna, Tenerife, Spain

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We genotyped 45 biallelic markers and 11 STR systems on the Y chromosome in 201 male Somalis. In addition, 65 sub-Saharan Western Africans, 59 Turks and 64 Iraqis were typed for the biallelic Y chromosome markers. In Somalis, 14 Y chromosome haplogroups were identified including E3b1 (77.6%) and K2 (10.4%). The haplogroup E3b1 with the rare DYS19-11 allele (also called the E3b1 cluster ) was found in 75.1% of male Somalis, and 70.6% of Somali Y chromosomes were E3b1, DYS19-11, DYS392-12, DYS437-14, DYS438-11 and DYS393-13. The haplotype diversity of eight Y-STRs ('minimal haplotype') was 0.9575 compared to an average of 0.9974 and 0.9996 in European and Asian populations. In sub-Saharan Western Africans, only four haplogroups were identified. The West African clade E3a was found in 89.2% of the samples and the haplogroup E3b1 was not observed. In Turks, 12 haplogroups were found including J2*(xJ2f2) (27.1%), R1b3*(xR1b3d, R1b3f) (20.3%), E3b3 and R1a1*(xR1a1b) (both 11.9%). In Iraqis, 12 haplogroups were identified including J2*(xJ2f2) (29.7%) and J*(xJ2) (26.6%). The data suggest that the male Somali population is a branch of the East African population – closely related to the Oromos in Ethiopia and North Kenya – with predominant E3b1 cluster lineages that were introduced into the Somali population 4000–5000 years ago, and that the Somali male population has approximately 15% Y chromosomes from Eurasia and approximately 5% from sub-Saharan Africa.

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Ethiopians are heavily Caucasoid (Eurasian) admixed.

Just look at any genetic study.



''Notably, 62% of the Ethiopians fall in the first cluster, which encompasses the majority of the Jews, Norwegians and Armenians''
(Passarino et al. 1998)

''Caucasoid gene flow into the Ethiopian gene pool occurred predominantly through males.''
(Poloni et al. 1997)



''A high proportion of Ethiopian lineages, significantly more abundant in the northeast of that country, trace their western Eurasian origin in haplogroup N through assorted gene flow at different times and involving different source populations.''
(Toomas Kivisild et al.) Human Biology 75.2 (2003) 293-300

''Ethiopians appear to be distinct from Africans and more closely associated with populations of the Mediterranean basin.''
(Scacchi et al. 2003)

''This finding, consistent with classic genetic-marker studies (Cavalli-Sforza 1997) and previous mtDNA results, is also in agreement with a similarly high proportion of western Asian Y chromosomes in Ethiopians (Passarino et al. 1998; Semino et al. 2002), which supports the view (Richards et al. 2003) that the observed admixture between sub-Saharan African and, most probably, western Asian ancestors of the Ethiopian populations applies to their gene pool in general.''

(Am. J. Hum. Genet., 75:000, 2004)

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Seriously shut the hell up. When did Europeans become the fully cold adapted Euros that they are today, when did East and west African haplogroups split, and when was the significant backflow into back from East Africa. If you cannot prove that fully adapted Euros as they are today came back and mass populated East Africa AFTER the lineages split, shut up. Stop claiming them as "Caucasoid" as if those features came from Europe.

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Ethiopia: between Sub-Saharan Africa and Western Eurasia.

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Juan J Sanchez1, Charlotte Hallenberg1, Claus Børsting1, Alexis Hernandez2 and Niels Morling1

1Department of Forensic Genetics, Institute of Forensic Medicine, University of Copenhagen, Denmark
2Departamento de Canarias, Instituto Nacional de Toxicología, La Laguna, Tenerife, Spain

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We genotyped 45 biallelic markers and 11 STR systems on the Y chromosome in 201 male Somalis. In addition, 65 sub-Saharan Western Africans, 59 Turks and 64 Iraqis were typed for the biallelic Y chromosome markers. In Somalis, 14 Y chromosome haplogroups were identified including E3b1 (77.6%) and K2 (10.4%). The haplogroup E3b1 with the rare DYS19-11 allele (also called the E3b1 cluster ) was found in 75.1% of male Somalis, and 70.6% of Somali Y chromosomes were E3b1, DYS19-11, DYS392-12, DYS437-14, DYS438-11 and DYS393-13. The haplotype diversity of eight Y-STRs ('minimal haplotype') was 0.9575 compared to an average of 0.9974 and 0.9996 in European and Asian populations. In sub-Saharan Western Africans, only four haplogroups were identified. The West African clade E3a was found in 89.2% of the samples and the haplogroup E3b1 was not observed. In Turks, 12 haplogroups were found including J2*(xJ2f2) (27.1%), R1b3*(xR1b3d, R1b3f) (20.3%), E3b3 and R1a1*(xR1a1b) (both 11.9%). In Iraqis, 12 haplogroups were identified including J2*(xJ2f2) (29.7%) and J*(xJ2) (26.6%). The data suggest that the male Somali population is a branch of the East African population – closely related to the Oromos in Ethiopia and North Kenya – with predominant E3b1 cluster lineages that were introduced into the Somali population 4000–5000 years ago, and that the Somali male population has approximately 15% Y chromosomes from Eurasia and approximately 5% from sub-Saharan Africa.

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Explain why they are tropical adapted and not extensive hairy? lol


The Northeast Africa-based E1b1b1a subclade is defined by SNP M78.  Somalia, Sudan and Egypt are among the present day countries with very high frequencies (60-90%) of the E1b1b1a M78 subclade.  The STR data also support its origin in this area with a TMRCA estimated at 14-23 kya.


The E1b1b1a1b (V32) subclade is a descendant of E1b1b1a1 (V12).  E1b1b1a1b/V32 is highest in Somalia (47-75%),


This somewhat rare haplogroup, E1b1b1e (V6), has only been observed in East Africa with the most appreciable levels seen in Ethiopia (4-17%).  Kenya and Somalia also harbor a moderate frequency (5%) of this subclade.

















"The results of a population survey on blood group distribution in Somalia, East Africa, are presented. Over 1,000 subjects were tested for most blood groups included in the survey. The sampling covered the whole country and was well in accordance with the population density as estimated by the recorded birth places of the subjects. Altogether, 46 blood group antigens were tested, partly common antigens within 11 of the major blood group systems, but also infrequent and very frequent antigens, some not tested before in Africa, were included. The results were compared with the available data for other related peoples and for populations from the same geographical area. The standard genetic distances were also applied in the comparison. The results suggest that only a minor component in the genetic constitution of the Somali population can be ascribed to Caucasian admixture. They are markedly in contrast with some earlier findings. During the survey we observed a previously unknown Rh gene complex occurring with a polymorphic frequency in Somalis."
P. Sistonend, J. Koistinena, Aden Abdulleb. (1987) Distribution of Blood Groups in the East African Somali Population. Hum Hered. 37(5):300-313

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Seriously shut the hell up. When did Europeans become the fully cold adapted Euros that they are today, when did East and west African haplogroups split, and when was the significant backflow into back from East Africa. If you cannot prove that fully adapted Euros as they are today came back and mass populated East Africa AFTER the lineages split, shut up. Stop claiming them as "Caucasoid" as if those features came from Europe.

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Ethiopians are heavily Caucasoid (Eurasian) admixed.

Just look at any genetic study.



''Notably, 62% of the Ethiopians fall in the first cluster, which encompasses the majority of the Jews, Norwegians and Armenians''
(Passarino et al. 1998)

''Caucasoid gene flow into the Ethiopian gene pool occurred predominantly through males.''
(Poloni et al. 1997)


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Umm - between the San bushmen and Berbers. OK that says Caucasoid.

BTW - Who made up the map - Coon or another Neandernut follower of mathildablog. The True Negroids label with Mbuti pigmy included is a dead giveaway in case you didn't know it, aside from the label for your images [IMG].

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Wilson JF, Weale ME, Smith AC, et al. Population genetic structure of variable drug response. Nat Genet. Nov 2001;29(3):265-269.

"On the basis of historical, linguistic, and genetic data, it has been suggested that the Ethiopian population has been strongly affected by Caucasoid migrations since Neolithic times. On the basis of autosomal polymorphic loci, it has been estimated that 60% of the Ethiopian gene pool has an African origin, whereas ~40% is of Caucasoid derivation.... Our Ethiopian sample also lacks the sY81-G allele, which was associated with 86% and 69% of Senegalese and mixed-African YAP+ chromosomes, respectively. This suggests that male-mediated gene flow from Niger-Congo speakers to the Ethiopian population was probably very limited ... Caucasoid gene flow into the Ethiopian gene pool occurred predominantly through males. Conversely, the Niger-Congo contribution to the Ethiopian population occurred mainly through females."

(Passarino et al., Am J Hum Genet, 1998)

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Poloni ES, Semino O, Passarino G, et al. Human genetic affinities for Y-chromosome P49a,f/TaqI haplotypes show strong correspondence with linguistics. Am J Hum Genet. Nov 1997;61(5):1015-1035. Poloni

Hammer MF, Redd AJ, Wood ET, et al. Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. Jun 6 2000;97(12):6769-6774.

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Lovell A, Moreau C, Yotova V, et al. Ethiopia: between Sub-Saharan Africa and western Eurasia. Ann Hum Genet. May 2005;69(Pt 3):275-287. Lovell

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"The occurrence of E*5 212 and E*5 204 alleles in two populations of the Mediterranean basin (Turkey and Italy) but not in West Africans can be explained by taking into account that the Ethiopian gene pool was estimated to be >40% of Caucasoid derivation (Cavalli-Sforza et al. 1994).In addition, more recent phylogenetic analysis based on classical protein polymorphism (Tartaglia et al. 1996) and Y-chromosome sequence variation (Underhill et al. 2000) showed that Ethiopians appear to be distinct from Africans and more closely associated with populations of the Mediterranean basin."

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"The present composition of the Ethiopian population is the result of a complex and extensive intermixing of different peoples of North African, Near and Middle Eastern, and south-Saharan origin. The two main groups inhabiting the country are the Amhara, descended from Arabian conquerors, and the Oromo, the most important group among the Cushitic people. ... The genetic distance analysis showed the separation between African and non-African populations, with the Amhara and Oromo located in an intermediate position.


(Scacchi et al., Hum Biol, 2003)
"The present composition of the Ethiopian population is the result of a complex and extensive intermixing of different peoples of North African, Near and Middle Eastern, and south-Saharan origin. The two main groups inhabiting the country are the Amhara, descended from Arabian conquerors, and the Oromo, the most important group among the Cushitic people. ... The genetic distance analysis showed the separation between African and non-African populations, with the Amhara and Oromo located in an intermediate position."

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"The intermediate position, between African and non-African populations, that the Ethiopian Jews and Somalis occupy in the PCA plot also has been observed in other genetic studies (Ritte et al. 1993; Passarino et al. 1998) and could be due either to shared common ancestry or to recent gene flow. The fact that the Ethiopians and Somalis have a subset of the sub-Saharan African haplotype diversity and that the non-African populations have a subset of the diversity present in Ethiopians and Somalis makes simple-admixture models less likely; rather, these observations support the hypothesis proposed by other nuclear-genetic studies
(Tishkoff et al. 1996a, 1998a, 1998b; Kidd et al. 1998) that populations in northeastern Africa may have diverged from those in the rest of sub-Saharan Africa early in the history of modern African populations and that a subset of this northeastern-African population migrated out of Africa and populated the rest of the globe. These conclusions are supported by recent mtDNA analysis (Quintana-Murci et al. 1999)."

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Sanchez JJ, Hallenberg C, Borsting C, Hernandez A, Morling N. High frequencies of Y chromosome lineages characterized by E3b1, DYS19-11, DYS392-12 in Somali males. Eur J Hum Genet. Jul 2005;13(7):856-866. Sanchez

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Underhill 2000
Tartaglia et al. 1996.
JJ Sanchez with an abstract posted by Lioness.

^Cassi this is hardly "mounds" of research. Now with the stuff thats already been repeated out the way, I'll see what others say about the remains for now. Digging up the responses to this sh!t took enough time for me already!!!

Omo also made a good point that early skulls show admixture wasnt needed

Ethiopians looked like that long before OOA movement





^ We dont need to guess if their features were cause of mixing with Euros. We already know thats not true.

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^ ES...lol.

You need peer-reviewed sources to counter those studies, not images made by trolls like Zaharan on windows paint...

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You dont need people with titles. You simply need a convincing argument--substance. A little research can show that the northern/coastal areas have more Arab influences than the south. This is usually a given too. Costal areas close to other continents would have more access to people who came from the outside than the people more inland. Usin them to represent everyone is just stupid and anyone should question it. Its just common sense. Even your blog posters will admit that the further north you go the more Arab/Euro flow you'll find.

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"The fact that the Ethiopians and Somalis have a subset of the sub-Saharan African haplotype diversity and that the non-African populations have a subset of the diversity present in Ethiopians and Somalis makes simple-admixture models less likely; rather, these observations support the hypothesis proposed by other nuclear-genetic studies(Tishkoff et al. 1996a, 1998a, 1998b; Kidd et al. 1998) that populations in northeastern Africa may have diverged from those in the rest of sub-Saharan Africa early in the history of modern African populations and that a subset of this northeastern-African population migrated out of Africa and populated the rest of the globe."






^^^190 kya.

Euros werent needed to give East Africans their appearance. You cant argue Negroids are a recent and then speculate that East African appearances relied on MIXING with Euros.

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West African (Negroid)

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Bamileke




Nigerians

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The Omo Remains, such as Omo 2, are not H.S.S but archaic. We've covered this before, same for the Kish remains. They are lumped into a Homo sapien subspecies (Idaltu) based on their primitive/archaic traits. They aren't anatomically modern Human.

The status of Omo 1 as H.S.S or anatomically modern Human (AMH) is constantly debated, while Omo 2 is archaic, and not AMH.

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This doesnt matter. African hominids even before they were even AMH HAD these traits without having to adapt and return from EURASIA.

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Ethiopians/Somali's are heavily Caucasoid admixed.

A variant of one of the main genes associated with light skin in many West Eurasian populations (including European) is found at a moderate frequency range of 10%-30% in the Horn populations.

"Skin pigmentation is one of the most recognizable human phenotypes and tends to vary on a latitudinal cline, even within Europe. The derived alleles of missense SNPs in SLC24A5 (rs1426654) and SLC45A2 (rs16891982) have both been implicated in light skin pigmentation among Europeans. We have collected data for these markers from 4474 individuals in 107 population samples. The derived alleles of both SNPs were observed at high frequencies throughout Europe, though the derived allele of rs16891982 is found at lower frequencies in Southern Europe. The derived allele of rs1426654 was also found at moderate to high frequencies 2 to 100% in East Africa, Southwest Asia, and Central Asia, whereas the derived allele of rs16891982 was seen at frequencies of 0 to 58% in these populations. At SLC24A5 a single allele of a 13-SNP (including rs1426654) haplotype covering ~146 kb accounts for ~95% of the chromosomes in Europe. At SLC45A2, we saw no significant LD around rs16891982. Using the REHH test, we found strong evidence of selection for the derived allele of rs1426654 in Europe as well as East Africa, Southwest Asia, and Central Asia where it had not previously been seen and were able to confirm the evidence of selection in East Africa using nHS. We saw no or very weak evidence of selection for rs1689192 using REHH or nHS among European and nearby populations.''
-- Evidence of selection in the pigmentation genes SLC24A5 in Europeans, East Africans, and Southwest and Central Asians and SLC45A2 in East Asians and Native Americans; M. P. Donnelly, W. C. Speed, A. J. Pakstis, J. R. Kidd, K. K. Kidd.

Ethiopians and Somalis also cluster in craniometrics with Southern Europeans and Western Asians (Caucasoids) not Negroids.

Mixed European-Somalis also come out basically Caucasoid -





If the Somalis were Negroid, then mixed European-Somalis would not come out looking Caucasoid.

The fact Somali-Europeans come out looking Caucasoid is undeniable evidence that Somali's are heavily Caucasoid admixed.

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If all of this is true (which it is NOT), then why do all Ethiopian and Somali mixes with Asians also come out Asian looking??

Ethiopian/Taiwanese


Somali/Indonesian


Eritrean/Filipina


Somali/Filipina


Somali/Filipina


Perhaps East Africans are also 'Mongoloid'-mixed as well and these people above look totally Asian because of the 'Mongoloid' genes already inherent in East Africans! LOL

And what about West African mixes?

This actor looks very "Caucasian" although his mother is British, his father is Ghanian (West African).



What are we to make of all these holes in your arguments? *sigh*

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Djehuti,

Nazlet Khater man is an ancestral Capoid, not Negroid.

''[...]the principles components analysis on the mandible dimensions suggest that the speciman is a 'Proto Khoisan'. This is supported by the fact that mean PC2 scores for historic Khoisan populations are similar.''

''The broad and squat mandibular ramus seems to be a typical Khoisan trait.''

- Vermeersch. P. M. Palaeolithic Quarrying Sites In Upper And Middle Egypt, 2002, pp. 325-327

Nazlet Khater man has a broad ramus, far less pronounced than in Negroids. A broad ramus is a unique feature of Capoid crania.

See the marked differences of the mandible, including ramus here -

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I find it funny how you consider Nazlet Khater as 'Capoid' even though so-called 'Capoid' populations exist today only in the opposite pole of the African continent in southern Africa, yet there is no trace of them anywhere else in the continent.

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On the right left hand, we can see BMJ. (British medical journal). After checking at www.bmj.com, we discovered no such a chart has been issued by the British medical journal. In fact, As per June 2011, there is still no existing penis size study by ethnicity (race).
This chart has been copied and pasted over several websites with the mention: bmj.com. However, the british medical journal is a repository for international studies. The chart should have had a reference to a year, an institute, a university with researchers’ names. It should be linked to a document title. That is not the case. Consequently, It is an hoax.

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If you also check figure 10.17 on those pages you have referenced, you will see that Nazlet Khater Man clusters with Capoids as opposed to 'Negro'/Cape-Coloured. They are seperate races.

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In the sum, the results obtained further strengthen the results from previous analyses. The affinities between Nazlet Khater, MSA, and Khoisan and Khoisan related groups re-emerges. In addition it is possible to detect a separation between North African and sub-saharan populations, with the Neolithic Saharan population from Hasi el Abiod and the Egyptian Badarian group being closely affiliated with modern Negroid groups. Similarly, the Epipaleolithic populations from Site 117 and Wadi Halfa are also affiliated with sub-Saharan LSA, Iron Age and modern Negroid groups rather than with contemporaneous North African populations such as Taforalt and the Ibero-maurusian. -- Pierre M. Vermeersch (Author & Editor), 'Palaeolithic quarrying sites in Upper and Middle Egypt', Egyptian Prehistory Monographs Vol. 4, Leuven University Press (2002).

Both hypotheses are compatible with the hypothesis proposed by Brothwell (1963) of an East African proto-Khoisan Negro stock which migrated southwards and westwards at some time during the Upper Pleistocene, and replaced most of the local populations of South Africa. Under such circumstances, it is possible that the Nazlet Khater specimen is part of a relict population of this proto-Khoisan Negro stock which extended as far north as Nazlet Khater at least until the late part of the Late Pleistocene. --- The Position of the Nazlet Khater Specimen Among Prehistoric and Modern African and Levantine Populations, Ron Pinhasi, Departent of Biological Anthropology, University of Cambridge, U.K., Patrick Semal, Belgian Institute of Natural Sciences, Belgium; Journal of Human Evolution (2000) vol. 39.

What part of this can you not or won't understand?

We know your game already. If you find a skull in the Nile Valley especially in Egypt whose features are too "negroid" to classify as "caca-soid", you then label it as 'Capoid' as if it had anything to do with the Khoisan peoples who live all the way on the southern end of the continent! LOL

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Btw, i also exposed you as a total fraud in the other thread where you posted a penis size graph alleged to have been undertaken by the BMJ (British Medical Journal). No such study however exists and its been exposed as an internet hoax by blacks who are clearly insecure over their small penis size...

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I'll leave that alone between you and Zarahan.

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Ethiopians/Somali's are heavily Caucasoid admixed.

A variant of one of the main genes associated with light skin in many West Eurasian populations (including European) is found at a moderate frequency range of 10%-30% in the Horn populations.

"Skin pigmentation is one of the most recognizable human phenotypes and tends to vary on a latitudinal cline, even within Europe. The derived alleles of missense SNPs in SLC24A5 (rs1426654) and SLC45A2 (rs16891982) have both been implicated in light skin pigmentation among Europeans. We have collected data for these markers from 4474 individuals in 107 population samples. The derived alleles of both SNPs were observed at high frequencies throughout Europe, though the derived allele of rs16891982 is found at lower frequencies in Southern Europe. The derived allele of rs1426654 was also found at moderate to high frequencies 2 to 100% in East Africa, Southwest Asia, and Central Asia, whereas the derived allele of rs16891982 was seen at frequencies of 0 to 58% in these populations. At SLC24A5 a single allele of a 13-SNP (including rs1426654) haplotype covering ~146 kb accounts for ~95% of the chromosomes in Europe. At SLC45A2, we saw no significant LD around rs16891982. Using the REHH test, we found strong evidence of selection for the derived allele of rs1426654 in Europe as well as East Africa, Southwest Asia, and Central Asia where it had not previously been seen and were able to confirm the evidence of selection in East Africa using nHS. We saw no or very weak evidence of selection for rs1689192 using REHH or nHS among European and nearby populations.''
-- Evidence of selection in the pigmentation genes SLC24A5 in Europeans, East Africans, and Southwest and Central Asians and SLC45A2 in East Asians and Native Americans; M. P. Donnelly, W. C. Speed, A. J. Pakstis, J. R. Kidd, K. K. Kidd.

Ethiopians and Somalis also cluster in craniometrics with Southern Europeans and Western Asians (Caucasoids) not Negroids.

Mixed European-Somalis also come out basically Caucasoid -





If the Somalis were Negroid, then mixed European-Somalis would not come out looking Caucasoid.

The fact Somali-Europeans come out looking Caucasoid is undeniable evidence that Somali's are heavily Caucasoid admixed.

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If all of this is true (which it is NOT), then why do all Ethiopian and Somali mixes with Asians also come out Asian looking??

Ethiopian/Taiwanese


Somali/Indonesian


Eritrean/Filipina


Somali/Filipina


Somali/Filipina


Perhaps East Africans are also 'Mongoloid'-mixed as well and these people above look totally Asian because of the 'Mongoloid' genes already inherent in East Africans! LOL

And what about West African mixes?

This actor looks very "Caucasian" although his mother is British, his father is Ghanian (West African).



What are we to make of all these holes in your arguments? *sigh*

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This doesnt matter. African hominids even before they were even AMH HAD these traits without having to adapt and return from EURASIA.

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All archaic Hominids had those general traits (with minor differences such as dental), not just archaics from Africa. Only Caucasoids however evolved from this primitive Pleistocene morphology. Do you understand?

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You cannot equate modern races to archaic remains, as the latter were still evolving and they are of seperate origins.

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However if you want to put a racial label on Hominids, they all loosely fall under Australoid based on metrics and craniofacial features. Note for example the large supraorbital ridge of the Omo 1 skull you have posted, VERY non-Negroid and characteristic of Australoids. Heavy browridges are completely absent in Negroids.

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