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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/23/japanese-tomb-found-roman-empire-artifact_n_1621090.html
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quote:
In 1954, an archeological dig at Helgo, Sweden unearthed a Sixth Century Buddha statue from northern India.In 2010, 2,000-year-old bones from a Roman cemetery in Italy were found to contain East Asian DNA.
Goes to show world wide contacts at an earlier age were never out of the question.
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I am feverishly awaiting the nutcases to claim 'Negroid'ness' somewhere in there so as to write themselves into history. Clyde, et al.?
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^^^^^^

This guy has no intention of discussing the articles so you are about to get spammed with funny and random photos enjoy!!! [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
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In 1954, an archeological dig at Helgo, Sweden unearthed a Sixth Century Buddha statue from northern India.In 2010, 2,000-year-old bones from a Roman cemetery in Italy were found to contain East Asian DNA.
Goes to show world wide contacts at an earlier age were never out of the question.
Unless this bonehead is from Italy, I don't see what it has to do with him or his history. Northern Europe certainly was not civilized at this time. And on top of that most of what became "western" medieval culture came from the East and Africa anyway. It was the textiles of Asia and Persia that became popular in the Roman court and eventually moved to Western Europe and became all the rage. So is this retard trying to claim that somehow his folks introduced silk and brocade to Asia? Heck you had Christianity in China under the Manicheans and Nestorians before it even became widespread in Europe. And because of this contact you have a strong influence on early Christianity from the East. Heck there are some Byzantine icons and artwork that are strongly reminiscent of early buddhist art. But that only makes sense as the idea of the "sun" as god is as old as dirt originating in Africa and radiating to Asia and then back to Europe via Egypt, Persia, Greece and Rome.
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"And on top of that most of what became "western" medieval culture came from the East and Africa anyway" (Afro-lunacy 2012).

^^HAHA! It was only a matter of time before the Black-loons would attempt to write themselves into the history. LMAO! You guys are so predictable.

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As posted elsewhere:

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Originally posted by Doug M:
Some more examples of the cross pollination of central Asian, Persian and African influence in Medieval Europe:

This one image of a royal wedding ceremony from the Loire valley in France has many examples:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Loire_Indre_Langeais_tango7174.jpg

1) Islamic/African motifs on the carpets.
2) Islamic/Persian/Asian brocade on the dresses
3) Central Asian inspired fur lined coats and dresses (Kazakh,Uzbek,Mongol,Tajik,turkmen,Altai,etc)
4) Central Asian inspired fur hats from central Asia
5) Persian inspired leggings
6) Persian inspired shirts (first male on right)..
7) Islamic inspired waist pouch commonly seen in North Africa
8) African Gold Jewelry
9) Islamic inspired design on woodwork and fireplace

Kazakh Costume
http://aboutkazakhstan.com/about-kazakhstan-people

Sogdian costume:
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/27305838@N04/4450458234/in/set-72157623330579483

Mongolian costume:
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/thomasterry/776302309/in/set-72157600762217505

Turkmen Costume:
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http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Man_from_Khiva,_Emir_of_Bukhara,_Teke_Turkmen,_Girl_from_Samarkand,_Police_Soldier_from_Bukhara.JPG

Central Asian Fur:
http://www.karakalpak.com/postin.html

Another example of such influences in Medieval Art:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Les_Tr%C3%A8s_Riches_Heures_du_duc_de_Berry_Janvier.jpg

Note the Moorish, Islamic and Central Asian influence.

Reproduction of Ancient sogdian fresco at Penjikent (Samarkand)
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/waltercallens/1303805800/in/photostream

Sogdiana was a part of Persia that was important in the trade of textiles between China/Central Asia, Persia and points west.

Fragment of Sogdiana Fresco:

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/waltercallens/1303801122/in/photostream/

Note the greyhound type dog seen in the Medieval art closely follows the portrayal of similar types of dogs in Asian, Persian and Egyptian artwork.

Note the portrait of 15th centurypainter Paulo Uccelo which is strongly Islamic.
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http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cinque_maestri_del_rinascimento_fiorentino,_XVI_sec,_paolo_uccello.JPG

He is well known for his paintings of hunting scenes and other things.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Paolo_Uccello

So laugh all you want, the only ones KNOWN for writing themselves into other peoples history is Europeans.

http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=003525;p=1#000024

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^Stop the bullish pseudo-history. Let us be more measured and accurate with our claims -You need to qualify it by putting 'North' African in there. That way we readers can make the distinction between N.African, ie., African Caucasian, influence and African Negroes who had NOTHING to do with this history.
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Haplogroup E1b1 (Y-DNA)


E1b1 is likely to have originated in the highlands of East Africa's Ethiopia, as this is the place with the high frequency of ancestral subclades of this haplogroup. E1b1 is the ancestor of the majority of E subclade lineages existing today. It has diverged into two subclades: E1b1a and E1b1b approximately 24-27,000 years ago (Cruciani et al. 2004).

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quote:
Originally posted by Crush Black Lies:
^Stop the bullish pseudo-history. Let us be more measured and accurate with our claims -You need to qualify it by putting 'North' African in there. That way we readers can make the distinction between N.African, ie., African Caucasian, influence and African Negroes who had NOTHING to do with this history.

What the hell does it matter dumb moron? Ancient North Africa is not your heritage stupid. What the hell you think that North African history can be "magically" transformed into Northern European history? No. It is not. Stop trying to put yourself into other peoples history you retarded clown.

And think you want to put something on other people that Europeans, including yourself, do all the time. Asia is not a proxy for Europe in history. Africa is not a proxy for Europe in history. The Middle East is not a proxy for Europe in history. All those places have their own histories and were fundamental to the development of civilization long before Europe was even known about. So stop trying to twist the facts in order to put yourself and your people where you and they do not belong stupid.

Another example from elsewhere:

quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:
This

Achaemenid Persian 5th cent BC (with dress drawing on even older customs in Sumer, Elam and Mesopotamia)
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/cool-art/4447641544/

And this
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http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Persepolis_24.11.2009_11-47-13.jpg

Plus Sassanid Persian of 3rd cent AD
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http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sarab-e_Qandil.jpg


Moves From Persia in the 6th Century BC to eighth Century AD influences surrounding areas like Armenia, Syria and Turkey and becomes this (Fresco in Armenian Church from 7th-9th century AD):
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/spi/2793461154/in/set-72157606792772821/

And these areas become Christian and then part of the Byzantine Empire which becomes this (Emperor Justinian 6th cent AD):
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/sacred_destinations/4323421735/

Also note this and the strong influence of Bhuddist/Asian fresco artistic themes)circa 1180, Kastoria, church of Agioi Anargyroi Greece. Also note that Greece was a powerful force behind the Byzantine Empire from circa the 8th century AD up until the 15th century. So, uh, even then Greek culture was still strong in the East and had absolutely nothing to do with the West:
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/21711359@N08/3943449923/in/set-72157622430924114/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Byzantine_emperors

In fact, the West at the time wanted nothing to do with the East and the Western Christian church was actively trying to reclaim the power of the Roman empire in the East which was under the Byzantine Emperor. These Western Bishops considered the move of the seat of Roman power to the East as a sacriledge. Every since then the Bishops in the West were actively engaged in and finally succeeded in moving the Papacy back to Rome, under a line of Germanic Kings, who were often in conflict with Byzantine Rome. Therefore, when the 1st Crusade was called by the Byzantine Emperor, the Western crusaders took this as an opportunity to get rid of the Byzantines and to lay claim to the remains of the Old Roman Empire and move it back to the West, which eventually led to the Sack of Constantinople by the Crusaders (Christian vs Christian). And this caused a split between the Eastern and Western church, where the Eastern Church is strongly dominated by the Greeks and the Western Church by Rome and the Germanic line of Kings and Queens. So any nonsense about "Western", ie Roman or Greek civilization being lost between the 3rd century and 15th century AD is nonsense. It was the same place it always was, in Rome, Greece and the East and never in the West.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Papacy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Crusade


Which becomes this in Medieval Europe (Charlemagne 8th cent Ad):
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Karl_der_Grosse_-_Pippin_der_Bucklige.jpg

And this (14th century AD)
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http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Boppe_cpg848-418r.jpg


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You are a fucking fool. It fucking matters because people are now hip to your trojan horse games you use to slide yourself into history, fucktard. By saying Africa, you know exactly what is your motive. Africa is home to more than one fucking race, asswhipe. Try being more specific. You avoid saying N.Africa because you and I both know the implication behind that! Your house of -pseudo-history- cards would come crushing.


quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:
What the hell does it matter dumb moron? Ancient North Africa is not your heritage stupid. What the hell you think that North African history can be "magically" transformed into Northern European history? No. It is not. Stop trying to put yourself into other peoples history you retarded clown.

And think you want to put something on other people that Europeans, including yourself, do all the time. Asia is not a proxy for Europe in history. Africa is not a proxy for Europe in history. The Middle East is not a proxy for Europe in history. All those places have their own histories and were fundamental to the development of civilization long before Europe was even known about. So stop trying to twist the facts in order to put yourself and your people where you and they do not belong stupid.

Another example from elsewhere:

quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:
This

Achaemenid Persian 5th cent BC (with dress drawing on even older customs in Sumer, Elam and Mesopotamia)
 -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cool-art/4447641544/

And this
 -
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Persepolis_24.11.2009_11-47-13.jpg

Plus Sassanid Persian of 3rd cent AD
 -
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sarab-e_Qandil.jpg


Moves From Persia in the 6th Century BC to eighth Century AD influences surrounding areas like Armenia, Syria and Turkey and becomes this (Fresco in Armenian Church from 7th-9th century AD):
 -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/spi/2793461154/in/set-72157606792772821/

And these areas become Christian and then part of the Byzantine Empire which becomes this (Emperor Justinian 6th cent AD):
 -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sacred_destinations/4323421735/

Also note this and the strong influence of Bhuddist/Asian fresco artistic themes)circa 1180, Kastoria, church of Agioi Anargyroi Greece. Also note that Greece was a powerful force behind the Byzantine Empire from circa the 8th century AD up until the 15th century. So, uh, even then Greek culture was still strong in the East and had absolutely nothing to do with the West:
 -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21711359@N08/3943449923/in/set-72157622430924114/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Byzantine_emperors

In fact, the West at the time wanted nothing to do with the East and the Western Christian church was actively trying to reclaim the power of the Roman empire in the East which was under the Byzantine Emperor. These Western Bishops considered the move of the seat of Roman power to the East as a sacriledge. Every since then the Bishops in the West were actively engaged in and finally succeeded in moving the Papacy back to Rome, under a line of Germanic Kings, who were often in conflict with Byzantine Rome. Therefore, when the 1st Crusade was called by the Byzantine Emperor, the Western crusaders took this as an opportunity to get rid of the Byzantines and to lay claim to the remains of the Old Roman Empire and move it back to the West, which eventually led to the Sack of Constantinople by the Crusaders (Christian vs Christian). And this caused a split between the Eastern and Western church, where the Eastern Church is strongly dominated by the Greeks and the Western Church by Rome and the Germanic line of Kings and Queens. So any nonsense about "Western", ie Roman or Greek civilization being lost between the 3rd century and 15th century AD is nonsense. It was the same place it always was, in Rome, Greece and the East and never in the West.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Papacy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Crusade


Which becomes this in Medieval Europe (Charlemagne 8th cent Ad):
 -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Karl_der_Grosse_-_Pippin_der_Bucklige.jpg

And this (14th century AD)
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http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Boppe_cpg848-418r.jpg

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quote:
Originally posted by Crush Black Lies:
^Stop the bullish pseudo-history. Let us be more measured and accurate with our claims -You need to qualify it by putting 'North' African in there. That way we readers can make the distinction between N.African, ie., African Caucasian, influence and African Negroes who had NOTHING to do with this history.

And for that matter, you keep talking that bullsh*t about Caucasians, then why the hell are you talking about North Africa and Asia instead of the history of the people and cultures around the Caucasus mountains where supposedly "Caucasians" originate?

I know why. Because when you and clowns like you say "caucasian" you mean Western European. But in reality if you were serious you would be referring to people from Armenia and Georgia as these places are in the Caucasus mountains and hence "Caucasian". But you don't want to talk about them because you want to put yourself and your people into something that is not theirs.

Hence you wont talk about Armenia as this region had a significant role in the development of so-called "Western" medieval culture but because they aren't Western Europeans you don't want to talk about it you retarded hypocrite.

For example:

Cathedral of Ani in Armenia:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral_of_Ani

Haghpat Monastery in Armenia
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haghpat_Monastery

Built long before any such structure in the West. This style of architecture was picked up by the Crusaders when they entered Armenia, which was one of the first Christian countries in Eurasia. Armenia at that time was a very advanced culture, having thousands of years of history prior to that point and being at the crossroads of Asian, Persian and Roman cultures.
But you wont talk about that now will you??

Silly a$$ clown.

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quote:
Originally posted by Crush Black Lies:
You are a fucking fool. It fucking matters because people are now hip to your trojan horse games you use to slide yourself into history, fucktard. By saying Africa, you know exactly what is your motive. Africa is home to more than one fucking race, asswhipe. Try being more specific. You avoid saying N.Africa because you and I both know the implication behind that! Your house of -pseudo-history- cards would come crushing.


quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:
What the hell does it matter dumb moron? Ancient North Africa is not your heritage stupid. What the hell you think that North African history can be "magically" transformed into Northern European history? No. It is not. Stop trying to put yourself into other peoples history you retarded clown.

And think you want to put something on other people that Europeans, including yourself, do all the time. Asia is not a proxy for Europe in history. Africa is not a proxy for Europe in history. The Middle East is not a proxy for Europe in history. All those places have their own histories and were fundamental to the development of civilization long before Europe was even known about. So stop trying to twist the facts in order to put yourself and your people where you and they do not belong stupid.

Another example from elsewhere:

quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:
This

Achaemenid Persian 5th cent BC (with dress drawing on even older customs in Sumer, Elam and Mesopotamia)
 -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cool-art/4447641544/

And this
 -
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Persepolis_24.11.2009_11-47-13.jpg

Plus Sassanid Persian of 3rd cent AD
 -
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sarab-e_Qandil.jpg


Moves From Persia in the 6th Century BC to eighth Century AD influences surrounding areas like Armenia, Syria and Turkey and becomes this (Fresco in Armenian Church from 7th-9th century AD):
 -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/spi/2793461154/in/set-72157606792772821/

And these areas become Christian and then part of the Byzantine Empire which becomes this (Emperor Justinian 6th cent AD):
 -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sacred_destinations/4323421735/

Also note this and the strong influence of Bhuddist/Asian fresco artistic themes)circa 1180, Kastoria, church of Agioi Anargyroi Greece. Also note that Greece was a powerful force behind the Byzantine Empire from circa the 8th century AD up until the 15th century. So, uh, even then Greek culture was still strong in the East and had absolutely nothing to do with the West:
 -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21711359@N08/3943449923/in/set-72157622430924114/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Byzantine_emperors

In fact, the West at the time wanted nothing to do with the East and the Western Christian church was actively trying to reclaim the power of the Roman empire in the East which was under the Byzantine Emperor. These Western Bishops considered the move of the seat of Roman power to the East as a sacriledge. Every since then the Bishops in the West were actively engaged in and finally succeeded in moving the Papacy back to Rome, under a line of Germanic Kings, who were often in conflict with Byzantine Rome. Therefore, when the 1st Crusade was called by the Byzantine Emperor, the Western crusaders took this as an opportunity to get rid of the Byzantines and to lay claim to the remains of the Old Roman Empire and move it back to the West, which eventually led to the Sack of Constantinople by the Crusaders (Christian vs Christian). And this caused a split between the Eastern and Western church, where the Eastern Church is strongly dominated by the Greeks and the Western Church by Rome and the Germanic line of Kings and Queens. So any nonsense about "Western", ie Roman or Greek civilization being lost between the 3rd century and 15th century AD is nonsense. It was the same place it always was, in Rome, Greece and the East and never in the West.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Papacy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Crusade


Which becomes this in Medieval Europe (Charlemagne 8th cent Ad):
 -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Karl_der_Grosse_-_Pippin_der_Bucklige.jpg

And this (14th century AD)
 -
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Boppe_cpg848-418r.jpg


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Dumb ass, no matter how you try to say it, North Africa is not the ancient homeland of you or "your" people from Northern Europe. Period. The history of North Africa belongs to North Africans and no matter if there is some "Eurasian" blood in North AFrica, that does not make the history of North Africa into Northern European history you dumb behind retarded clown ass fake historian. So if anyone is guilty of rewriting and twisting history to fit their own agenda it is you dumb @ss.

Show me some ancient culture as advanced as Armenia in Northern Europe at the time.

Show me some ancient culture as advanced as ancient China in North Europe at that time.

Show me some ancient culture as advanced as Phoenicia at that time in Northern Europe.

Show me some ancient culture as advanced as Rome or Greece in Northern or Western Europe at that time.

And don't even begin to compare Egypt or Babylon to Northern Europe.

The bottom line point being that even if some of these people were lighter skinned historically in these places, it does not change the fact that their history is not YOUR history you silly retarded behind hypocrite. Babylonians are not and were not Europeans. Egyptians are not and were not Europeans. North Africans are not and were not Europeans. So stop trying to claim these people and their history as somehow an extension of European history in order to claim something not found in your own history.

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^You are dismissed, idiot. I exposed you.
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You exposed yourself moron.

Here is your history and "advanced" civilization:

quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:
Because white Europeans want to pretend that they have always been at the forefront of civilization and never "savage" or "primitive" like the "tribes" found everywhere else.

This flies in the face of all facts and reality and betrays an underlying inferiority complex that masks itself in all kinds of superiority complexes. Basically they cannot simply accept humanity for what it is.

Crannog dwelling typical of most of Europe up to 500 AD:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Loch_Tay_Crannog.jpg

They keep trying to down play their "primitive" origins and try to claim every culture that ever did anything in order to get around the fact that NOTHING of significance in the development of civilization over the span of 3000 years before Christ came from Europe. They ONLY became aware of the whole world outside of Europe only 500 years ago. Something most everyone else already knew about.


Bottom line they are fake, phonies and frauds and their whole civilization is based on a history of lies, fakery, pseudo science, racism, fraud and every other form of deceit there is. That form of fraudulent NATIONALISTIC NARRATIVE is critical to who they are as a people. They need the Abrahamic fables (which has nothing to do with Europeans), the Aryan Superiority myths, the founding fathers fables, the lies about Columbus and the phony concept of IQ. That is what makes them function and it is ALL totally and completely a crock of bull sh*t.

Turn on the history channel and EVERYTHING of any significance comes from Europe. I almost choked watching Jim Varney tell us how all swords, armor and warfare came from the Celts. Really now. So I guess all that ancient warfare in Mesopotamia, Egypt and Asia from 3000 years ago doesn't count?

Please.....

Other examples of typical dwellings in Europe for most of the neolithic up to the early modern age:

Germany:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pfahlbauten.jpg

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http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pfahlbauten_Unteruhldingen_2005_05.jpg

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http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Federsee_Moordorf.jpg

Almost everything that Europeans claim as civilized came from OUTSIDE of Europe. Yet of course they pretend to have originated it: writing, art, math, architecture, paper, pens, ink, paint, sculpture, astronomy, astrology, leather work, shoes, clothing, furniture, beds, castles, warfare, horse riding, armor, weapons, knives, swords, metalwork, music and so forth and so on.

And a lot of what they have today came DIRECTLY from the conquests overseas where they STOLE other peoples ideas.

But rather than admit they are liars and thieves who have come up big EXPLICITLY due to the rape, theft, oppression and murder of other cultures, they claim it is due to I.Q........ Another lie told to deny reality and maintain the mythology that underpins everything they do. Like the LIE of America being the home of freedom and opportunity......... for who?

http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=002273


And now you want to sit there and claim that Africans claiming African history as African is a lie or distortion? But yet at the same time trying to make African history somehow more European history than African history? Please shut the f*ck up with the hypocritical nonsense.

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^ LMBAO!!

I see. This behavior is called, being facetious.

1. facetious

To make an attempt at being funny, while being sarcastic at the same time.

Jacky was being facetious when she said, "Yes, let's all go to Iraq for my birthday party!", or white people originate from Northern Africa.

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Bump.
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Map of Roman empire trade with India and China.
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Map showing Western Asian Empire(Europe) Roman Empire and Eastern Asian Empire Han Empire of China
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Sino Roman relation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Roman_relations

Indo Roman relation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Roman_trade_and_relations

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