From 711 to 997 … The word Moors derives from the Latin mauri, a name for the Berber tribes living in Roman Mauretania (modern day Algeria and Morocco). It has no ethnographic meaning but can be used to refer to all Muslims, Berber or Arab, who conquered the Iberian Peninsula. These Moors, who were religious fanatics, arrived in Spain in the year 711 and thus began a period of history which would shape Iberia differently than the rest of Europe as the land adapted to a new religion, language and culture.
Hispania became a part of the caliph of Damascus which was the capital of the Muslim world. (Umayyad)
This Moorish land was known as Al-Andalus and included all of the Iberian Peninsula except for the extreme north-west from where the Christian Reconquest would originate. Internal divisions within Moorish rule largely explain why the Moors didn’t conquer the whole peninsula in those early days. Had they done so Spain may well have remained a Muslim state until today. Instead an Asturian mountaineer called Pelayo led a band of Christians to the first victory over the Moors at Covadonga in 718. The reconquest had begun. Strangely Moorish Spain wasn’t really ruled by Arabs. It is true that many high positions were taken by Arabs but most of the Moors were Berbers. Later Muwallads (converted Christians) together with the offspring of the first invaders became dominant in Moorish Spain. The invaders brought no women so the second generation of Moors were already half Hispanic! The first 40 years of Moorish rule was volatile and Al-Andalus needed order and unity which came in the form of Abd-er-Rahman who arrived in Almuñecar on the coast of Granada in 755. Within a year he became Emir of Al-Andalus and during his 32 year reign he would transform this land into an independent state which was the cultural light of Europe. In Cordoba Abd-er-Rahman I founded the Mezquita in 785 when he purchased the Christian section of the San Vicente Church, a place the two faiths had shared for 50 years. The Mosque was expanded to its final glory over the next two centuries. This became the second most important place of worship in the Muslim world after Mecca. The Moors expanded and improved Roman irrigation systems to help develop a strong agricultural sector. They introduced many new crops including the orange, lemon, peach, apricot, fig and pomegranate as well as saffron, sugar cane, cotton, silk and rice which remain some of Spain’s main products today. The frontier in the north between the Moors and the Christians was constantly on a war footing and in St James (Santiago de Compostela), the Christians found their own inspiration to match the Koran-inspired fanaticism of the Moors. Santiago became known as “Matamoros” (the Moor slayer) and to this day is Spain’s patron saint. However, there was still a long way to go before the Reconquest would succeed. In the mid-10th century Al-Mansur appeared on the scene. He led many expeditions into Christian territory over a period of 20 years and in 997 his army captured Santiago de Compostela. They destroyed the shrine and prisoners took the basilica doors and bells to Cordoba where they would be placed in the Mezquita. Centuries of painstaking Christian advance had been destroyed by Al-Mansur’s daring raid. From 1010 to 1195 … Al Mansur died in 1010 which led to the crisis in which Medina Azahara, the city palace of Abd ar-Rahman III, was destroyed by rampaging Berbers. Moorish Spain deteriorated rapidly into violent turmoil. The caliphate ceased to exist and Al Andaluz broke up into 20 taifas and unified rule came to an end. Seville and Granada were the most powerful of these small kingdoms followed by Cordoba, Almeria, Zaragoza, Badajoz and Toledo. The Moorish warriors were no more as life degenerated into drunken orgies and mercenaries, including Christians, were employed to do the fighting. Along the Moorish/Christian frontier castles had been built to protect against Arab attack leading to the area being named Castile. The kingdom of Leon had lead the reconquest until Al-Mansur’s raid on Santiago then Navarra under Sancho III became the key force. Sancho gained control of Castile through marriage and placed his son Fernando on the throne. Fernando then occupied Leon and became emperor of the Spains. Castile would now dominate the reconquest. When Fernando I died after taking lands from Valencia to Portugal, power was split between his sons, Alfonso in Leon and Sancho in Castile. Sancho was served by a young knight who would become known as El Cid Campeador. Sancho was murdered and his brother was suspected so El Cid made Alfonso swear under oath that he had no part in the murder. Alfonso became ruler of a united Castile and Leon and a few years later sent El Cid into exile after a dispute. In 1085 Alfonso’s army recaptured Toledo in the first crucial victory of the Reconquest. This news didn’t go down well in Muslim north Africa and an army of Almoravids (fanatical Muslim nomads from the Sahara) was invited by the taifa of Seville to reassert the balance of power. They arrived in 1086 and annihilated Alfonso’s army. Fernando again turned to El Cid for assistance. In 1099 El Cid died and for a few years the Almoravids controlled southern Iberia from Marrakesh. The tolerant society of the caliphate and the taifas disappeared as the Almoravids persecuted Christians and Jews. Another fanatical group, the Almohades, came from the Atlas mountains of Morocco and were natural enemies of the Almoravid desert tribes. They conquered Marrakesh then invaded Al-Andalus to again unite the region under one Muslim regime. These Almohades ordered the destruction of all churches and synagogues forcing Christians and Jews to swarm to the north. In spite of this fanaticism, a period of great cultural achievement occurred under the Almohades which was the brightest period between the caliphate and the glories of Granada centuries later. The minaret of the Seville mosque, La Giralda, was built during this period with wide ramps all the way up the tower which allowed the sultan to ride his horse to the top. During the early reconquest the Christians spent too much time fighting amongst themselves. In 1195 the Christians were heavily defeated at Alarcos and from then on decided to cooperate against the Almohades, even more so when the pope called for a crusade against these invaders. From 1212 to 1492 … In 1212 a united army of Spanish and European soldiers utterly destroyed the Almohad army at Navas de Tolosa, an event which marked the beginning of the end for Moorish Spain. Fernando III (‘the saint’) captured Cordoba in 1236 and reconsecrated the mosque as the cathedral of Cordoba. He then made captured Muslims carry the bells, stolen by Al-Mansur two centuries earlier, back to the cathedral in Santiago. The ruler of Granada, Mohammed ibn-Alhamar, saw what was happening and approached Fernando to propose that in return for cooperating in the conquest of Muslim Seville, Granada would be granted independence as a subject of Castile. Fernando agreed and took Seville. On returning to Granada the embarrassed ibn-Alhamar announced “there is no victor but Allah” which can be seen inscribed all over the Alhambra palace. Many writers refer to Moorish rule over Spain spanning the 800 years from 711 to 1492 yet this is a misconception. The reality is that the Berber-Hispanic Muslims inhabited two-thirds of the peninsula for 375 years, about half of it for another 160 years and finally the kingdom of Granada for the remaining 244 years. When Fernando III died the reconquest seemed to die with him and the deal struck over Granada would last for another two centuries. In 1479 the merger of the kingdoms of Castile and Aragon under Los Reyes Católicos (Fernando and Isabella) would soon lead to the fall of the kingdom of Granada and the end of Moorish rule in Spain. The town of Santa Fe lies just outside Granada on the road to Malaga. It was set up in 1491 as a base camp from where to conduct the final conquest of Moorish Spain. The town represents the birthplace of modern Spain and it was here that Columbus received permission to begin his great voyage. The kingdom of Granada included modern day Granada, Almeria and Malaga. Its rulers, the Nasrid dynasty, had retired to a pleasure seeking existence within the confines of the Alhambra palace. Jealousies stemming from the harem were the source of instability of Moorish Spain and would ultimately be influential in the fall of Granada. Within the harem various sons could be born to different mothers each with equal rights to the throne. Granada was split between the supporters of Mulay’s wife, Aixa, and her son [b]Boabdil [/b[on one side and a beautiful Christian prisoner called Soraya on the other. Civil war ensued when the sultan chose Soraya over Aixa and her son. Los Reyes Católicos couldn’t believe their luck as Granada slowly self-destructed. Aixa’s followers gained the upper hand and Mulay fled to the protection of his brother who was governor of Malaga. Boabdil was captured and made a deal with Fernando whereby he promised to surrender Granada once his father and uncle were vanquished. Malaga fell in 1487 and shortly after Almeria was captured but Boabdil refused to surrender Granada setting the stage for a final invasion. Rather than attack, Fernando chose to blockade Granada. After months of stalemate and negotiations Boabdil surrendered, in return for 30,000 gold coins, part of the Alpujarras mountains to the south of Granada and political and religious freedom for his subjects. On January 2nd 1492 Los Reyes Católicos marched into Granada and the last stronghold of Moorish Spain came to an end.
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"Strangely Moorish Spain wasn’t really ruled by Arabs. It is true that many high positions were taken by Arabs but most of the Moors were Berbers. Later Muwallads (converted Christians) together with the offspring of the first invaders became dominant in Moorish Spain. The invaders brought no women so the second generation of Moors were already half Hispanic!"
And here's how these Berbers looked black and half naked - : ) “ They [i.e. the Syrian Arabs] decided on their own initiative to hasten to the sea, crossing the territory of the Moors to attack Tangiers with the Swords. But the army of the Moors, realizing this immediately burst forth from the mountains to the battle naked girded only with loin-cloths covering their shameful parts. When they joined with each other in battle at the Nava river, the Egyptian horses immediately recoiled in flight, as the Moors on their beautiful horses revealed their repulsive colour and gnashed their white teeth. Despairing, they launched another attack, the Arab cavalry again instantly recoiled due to the colour of the Moors’skin.”
“…the Latin Chronicle of 754 is the earliest record of the Arab defeat by the Syrian commander Kulthum b. Iyad al Qushayri. “ See p. 71 Ibn Garcia’s Shu’ubiyya Letter: Ethnic and Theological Tensions in Medieval by Goran Larsson 2003 published by Brill.
“This story offers a very dramatic prelude to the landing of the Syrians in al-Andalus and explains their zeal and expertise in crushing the rebellion there. The description of the events in al-Andalus possesses concreteness and specificity missing from the narration of African affairs. This suggests that the Arabic sources in question were either Andalusi or had an Andalusi connection.” “The Berbers of the Arabs”, Studia Islamica, nouvelle édition/new series, 1, 2011, pp. 67-101
The thirteenth-century Poema de Fernan Gonzalez 14th century Castilian epic describes these Berbers against the Kingdom of Navarre composed by a monk in the vicinity of Burgos speaks of them as treacherous carbonientos “coal faced ones”.
Thanks for the reminder.
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From 711 to 997 … The word Moors derives from the Latin mauri, a name for the Berber tribes living in Roman Mauretania (modern day Algeria and Morocco). It has no ethnographic meaning but can be used to refer to all Muslims, Berber or Arab, who conquered the Iberian Peninsula.
Not quite accurate. But yes it originally designated the Berber tribes only.
Dictionary of Greek and Roman Geography of Sir William Smith states of the ancient Mauretania
"From the earliest times it was occupied by a people whom the ancients distinguished by the name MAURUSII (Μαυρούσιο, Strab. i. p.5, iii. pp. 131, 137, xvii. pp. 825, 827; Liv. 24.49; Verg. A. 4.206; Μαυρήνσιοι, Ptol. 4.1.11) or MAURI (Μαυροί, “Blacks,” in the Alexandrian dialect, Paus. i, 33 § 5, 8.43. [2.297] § 3; Sal. Jug. 19; Pomp. Mela, 1.4.3; Liv. 21.22, 28.17; Hor. Carm. 1.22. 2, 2.6. 3, 3.10. 18; Tac. Ann. 2.52, 4.523, 14.28, Hist. 1.78, 2.58, 4.50; Lucan 4.678; Juv. 5.53, 6.337; Flor. 3.1, 4.2); hence the name MAURETANIA (the proper form as it appears in inscriptions, Orelli, Inscr. 485, 3570, 3672; and on coins, Eckhel, vol. vi. p. 48…"
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Having failed, again, in his defense of the holocau$t fable he now goes to his favorite pass time: distorting the history of North Africa. But as predicted, he got owned again. lol
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quote:Originally posted by dana marniche: Dictionary of Greek and Roman Geography of Sir William Smith states of the ancient Mauretania
"From the earliest times it was occupied by a people whom the ancients distinguished by the name MAURUSII hence the name MAURETANIA (the proper form as it appears in inscriptions, Orelli, Inscr. 485, 3570, 3672; and on coins, Eckhel, vol. vi. p. 48…"
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Actually that's more an opportunity to spread the Albinos mans lies and bullsh1t for him, and in this case, perhaps just plain ignorance and illogical thought.
As a reminder, every single assertion by the Albinos, regardless of how innocuous it sounds, MUST be vetted LOGICALLY.
So then, North Africa was first colonized by non-Africans circa 814 B.C. This was done by Phoenicians under Pygmalion, King of Tyre - No telling what the Cretans/Minoans had done earlier.
{Note: The Phoenicians had planted trading posts in Africa, Sicily, Sardinia and Iberia from as early as 1100-900 B.C. while creating their trading monopoly. They had a relatively free hand during that period as other civilizations were suffering from a "Dark Age" during that period because of the invasion of Whites from Eurasia).
Then in 570 B.C. Cyrene Libya was invaded By multiracial Anatolians and Greeks.
After the fall of Phoenician Carthage (Roman Carthage is different), the area was annexed to the Roman Empire in AD 40. Rome controlled the vast, ill-defined territory through alliances with the tribes rather than through military occupation, expanding its authority only to those areas that were economically useful, or that could be defended without additional manpower. Hence, Roman administration never extended outside the restricted area of the northern coastal plain and valleys. This strategic region formed part of the Roman Empire, governed as Mauretania Tingitana.
Throughout the period of Punic and Greek colonization of the coastal plain, the area known as Fezzan was dominated by the Garamentes, a tribal people. In the desert they established a powerful kingdom astride the trade route between the western Sudan and the Mediterranean coast. The Garamentes left numerous inscriptions in tifinagh, the ancient Berber form of writing still used by the Tuareg. Beyond these, and the observations of Herodotus and other classical writers on their customs and dealings with the coastal settlements, little was known of this extraordinary and mysterious people until the advent of modern archaeological methods.
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^The Albinos have kept us "Pinned-Down" for so long trying to prove that the ancients were not Albinos, that we picked-up many bad habits along the way - visa-vie trying to prove Blackness.
Thus:
The Sumerians called themselves sag.gi6.ga "The Black-headed Ones" doesn't really make sense either.
Point being, we have some loose ends that we need to clean up.
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Moor, in English usage, a Moroccan or, formerly, a member of the Muslim population of what is now Spain and Portugal. Of mixed Arab, Spanish, and Amazigh (Berber) origins, the Moors created the Arab Andalusian civilization and subsequently settled as refugees in North Africa between the 11th and 17th centuries. By extension (corresponding to the Spanish moro), the term occasionally denotes any Muslim in general, as in the case of the “Moors” of Sri Lanka or of the Philippines.
The word derives from the Latin Maurus, first used by the Romans to denote an inhabitant of the Roman province of Mauretania, comprising the western portion of present-day Algeria and the northeastern portion of present-day Morocco. Modern Mauritanians are also sometimes referred to as Moors (as with the French maures); the Islamic Republic of Mauritania, however, lies in the large Saharan area between Morocco and the republics of Senegal and Mali.
The term is of little use in describing the ethnic characteristics of any groups, ancient or modern. From the Middle Ages to the 17th century, however, Europeans depicted Moors as being black, “swarthy,” or “tawny” in skin colour. (Othello, Shakespeare’s Moor of Venice, comes to mind in such a context.) Europeans designated Muslims of any other complexion as “white Moors,” despite the fact that the population in most parts of North Africa differs little in physical appearance from that of southern Europe (in Morocco, for example, red and blonde hair are relatively common). The term Moorish continues to be widely used to describe the art, architecture, and high culture of Muslim Andalusia and North Africa dating from the 11th century onward.
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From - Etymological Dictionary of Modern English
MOOR - "North African, Berber," late 14c., from Old French More, from Medieval Latin Morus, from Latin Maurus "inhabitant of Mauritania" (northwest Africa, a region now corresponding to northern Algeria and Morocco), from Greek Mauros, perhaps a native name, or else cognate with mauros "black" (but this adjective only appears in late Greek and may as well be from the people's name as the reverse). Being a dark people in relation to Europeans, their name in the Middle Ages was a synonym for "Negro;" later (16c.-17c.) used indiscriminately of Muslims (Persians, Arabs, etc.) but especially those in India.
BEING MINDFUL THAT NORTH AFRICA IS MAINLY DESERT:
MOOR - "waste ground," Old English mor "morass, swamp," from Proto-Germanic *mora- (cf. Old Saxon, Middle Dutch, Dutch meer "swamp," Old High German muor "swamp," also "sea," German Moor "moor," Old Norse mörr "moorland," marr "sea"), perhaps related to mere (n.), or from root *mer- "to die," hence "dead land."
The basic sense in place names is 'marsh', a kind of low-lying wetland possibly regarded as less fertile than mersc 'marsh.' The development of the senses 'dry heathland, barren upland' is not fully accounted for but may be due to the idea of infertility. [Cambridge Dictionary of English Place-Names]
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quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: Mike STFU.
anguishofbeingstupid - There was a long period of time when you were mercifully absent. Where you just lurking, or did you go away?
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quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: Mike STFU.
I would rather read a Mike post, at least there is some information in them. anguishedbeing is pure troll
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If Moor, Maure, and the other words mean "Black", then how would that differentiate anyone from anyone?
Example:
Ten Black men standing in a group, you shout to them: "Hey Black man, please come here a minute"
WOULDN'T THEY "ALL" LOOK UP?
Same thing in Europe:
Ten Albinos in a group:
You shout "Hey Albino man, please come here a minute"
WOULDN'T THEY "ALL" LOOK UP? [/QB]
If "Maure" was used to describe people from Mauretania or to mean people with skin darker than the person who used the term, than that is the answer to your question, there where people of both darker and lighter skin present in the times the word "Maure" was used.
And also what then would Mauretania mean?
Ancient Mauretania
3rd c. BC – 431 AD
ancient Mauretania was locted one the Mediterranean coast of what is today Morocco and western Algeria.
So according to your logic if Maure - tania means the nation of blacks that means there must have mean must have been non-black populations around at the time otherwise it would be redundant and not make sense as you pointed out
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: So according to your logic if Maure - tania means the nation of blacks that means there must have mean must have been non-black populations around at the time otherwise it would be redundant and not make sense as you pointed out
Ah yes my little Albino degenerate, that there "WAS" Albino populations around, is EXACTLY what your fellow Albinos are trying to implant into the minds of Negroes.
BUT THERE WERE "NO" NON-BLACK POPULATIONS IN THE VICINITY WHEN THE TERM WAS SUPPOSEDLY COINED!
Thus as you correctly deduced, the definition of the term CANNOT be accurate, because its meaning would be redundant.
I personally lean to Moor meaning "Wasteland". Thus Moors would be people of the North African Wastelands (Deserts).
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb]So according to your logic if Maure - tania means the nation of blacks that means there must have mean must have been non-black populations around at the time otherwise it would be redundant and not make sense as you pointed out
Ah yes my little Albino degenerate, that there "WAS" Albino populations around
well we know that term Maure or Mauri goes back at least a few hundred years before Christ.
Don't get mad I'm just fairly applying the concept you came up with.
Maybe you would like to retract or come up with some alternative explanation
(ok now I see you added to your post you think Moor means wasteland. That's surprising since people are usually screaming here it means black)
could you expound a little on the Visigoth Christians who were ruling Spain before Tariq ibn Ziyad invaded in 711?
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Could you expound a little on the Visigoth Christians who were ruling Spain before Tariq ibn Ziyad invaded in 711?
The Visigoths (Latin: Visigothi, Wisigothi, Vesi, Visi, Wesi, or Wisi) and Ostrogoths were branches of the nomadic tribes of Germanic peoples referred to collectively as the Goths. These tribes flourished and spread during the late Roman Empire in Late Antiquity, or the Migration Period. The Visigoths emerged from earlier Gothic groups (possibly the Thervingi) who had invaded the Roman Empire beginning in 376 and had defeated the Romans at the Battle of Adrianople in 378. The Visigoths invaded Italy under Alaric I and sacked Rome in 410. Their long history of migration led the Visigoths to compare themselves to the Biblical Hebrew people who purportedly wandered for forty years in the Sinai Desert. After the Visigoths sacked Rome, they began settling down, first in southern Gaul and eventually in Spain and Portugal, where they founded the Kingdom of the Visigoths.
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Well after Dana's post this thread had potential until Mike fucked it up with his shyt.
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quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: Well after Dana's post this thread had potential until Mike fucked it up with his shyt.
I have to admit there's some truth to that but at least he does some homework to fvck up threads. you simply buzz like a fly. either throwing poo or cheerlead-dick riding
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The Mediterranean Conifer and Mixed Forest ecoregion is scattered geographically. These forests occur in the humid and very humid, medium to high elevations of major mountain massifs in North Africa. They are found in northern Morocco, northern Algeria, and northwestern Tunisia. In Morocco, this forest ecoregion can be found on the Rif, with its highest elevation at 2448 meters (m) on Mt. Tidirhin, and in the Middle Atlas, with its highest elevation at 3340 m on Mt. Bou Naceur. In northern Algeria, examples of this ecoregion occur in the Tellien Atlas and the Saharan Atlas Mountain Ranges at about 2000 m. In northwestern Tunisia, this Mediterranean conifer and mixed forest can be found in the Kroumerie and Mogod Mountain Ranges at their highest elevations of around 1000 m. Even though they lack high elevations, the Tunisian examples are included because their mixed deciduous and evergreen oak forests were once representative of this ecoregion.
The ecoregion receives an average annual rainfall of 1000 millimeters (mm), but in certain high elevations average annual rainfall can range between 1600 to 2200 mm. Snow falls frequently during winter, and average minimum temperatures are generally below 0° Celcius (C); the average minimum temperature is -5° C in Djebel Babor, northeastern Algeria.
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: Well after Dana's post this thread had potential until Mike fucked it up with his shyt.
I have to admit there's some truth to that but at least he does some homework to fvck up threads. you simply buzz like a fly. either throwing poo or cheerlead-dick riding
Hey fool, when are you going to reply to Dana's post? Or are you going to take advantage of the opportunity Mike handed you for as long as you can?
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Mike if Moor mean wasteland Iron Lion is wrong for calling the ancient black people of Europe and North Africa Muur.
Marc Washington stated in beforebc.de that the black Phoenician created the first civilisations of Europe and North Africa(excluding Egypt).I read online a Phoenician people call the Illy created all the first civilization of Europe.they were the first ruling elite of Europe.The Phoenician of Ireland call Ari migrated to Egypt, Phoenicia and India.Ireland or Ari land is name after the Phoenician Ari.
From 711 to 997 … The word Moors derives from the Latin mauri, a name for the Berber tribes living in Roman Mauretania (modern day Algeria and Morocco). It has no ethnographic meaning but can be used to refer to all Muslims, Berber or Arab, who conquered the Iberian Peninsula.
Not quite accurate. But yes it originally designated the Berber tribes only.
Dictionary of Greek and Roman Geography of Sir William Smith states of the ancient Mauretania
"From the earliest times it was occupied by a people whom the ancients distinguished by the name MAURUSII (Μαυρούσιο, Strab. i. p.5, iii. pp. 131, 137, xvii. pp. 825, 827; Liv. 24.49; Verg. A. 4.206; Μαυρήνσιοι, Ptol. 4.1.11) or MAURI (Μαυροί, “Blacks,” in the Alexandrian dialect, Paus. i, 33 § 5, 8.43. [2.297] § 3; Sal. Jug. 19; Pomp. Mela, 1.4.3; Liv. 21.22, 28.17; Hor. Carm. 1.22. 2, 2.6. 3, 3.10. 18; Tac. Ann. 2.52, 4.523, 14.28, Hist. 1.78, 2.58, 4.50; Lucan 4.678; Juv. 5.53, 6.337; Flor. 3.1, 4.2); hence the name MAURETANIA (the proper form as it appears in inscriptions, Orelli, Inscr. 485, 3570, 3672; and on coins, Eckhel, vol. vi. p. 48…"
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: So according to your logic if Maure - tania means the nation of blacks that means there must have mean must have been non-black populations around at the time otherwise it would be redundant and not make sense as you pointed out
Ah yes my little Albino degenerate, that there "WAS" Albino populations around, is EXACTLY what your fellow Albinos are trying to implant into the minds of Negroes.
BUT THERE WERE "NO" NON-BLACK POPULATIONS IN THE VICINITY WHEN THE TERM WAS SUPPOSEDLY COINED!
Thus as you correctly deduced, the definition of the term CANNOT be accurate, because its meaning would be redundant.
I personally lean to Moor meaning "Wasteland". Thus Moors would be people of the North African Wastelands (Deserts).
Moraccan desert
In what language or dialect?
quote:Originally posted by dana marniche:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Can you name a Moorish ruler of Spain?
From 711 to 997 … The word Moors derives from the Latin mauri, a name for the Berber tribes living in Roman Mauretania (modern day Algeria and Morocco). It has no ethnographic meaning but can be used to refer to all Muslims, Berber or Arab, who conquered the Iberian Peninsula.
Not quite accurate. But yes it originally designated the Berber tribes only.
Dictionary of Greek and Roman Geography of Sir William Smith states of the ancient Mauretania
"From the earliest times it was occupied by a people whom the ancients distinguished by the name MAURUSII (Μαυρούσιο, Strab. i. p.5, iii. pp. 131, 137, xvii. pp. 825, 827; Liv. 24.49; Verg. A. 4.206; Μαυρήνσιοι, Ptol. 4.1.11) or MAURI (Μαυροί, “Blacks,” in the Alexandrian dialect, Paus. i, 33 § 5, 8.43. [2.297] § 3; Sal. Jug. 19; Pomp. Mela, 1.4.3; Liv. 21.22, 28.17; Hor. Carm. 1.22. 2, 2.6. 3, 3.10. 18; Tac. Ann. 2.52, 4.523, 14.28, Hist. 1.78, 2.58, 4.50; Lucan 4.678; Juv. 5.53, 6.337; Flor. 3.1, 4.2); hence the name MAURETANIA (the proper form as it appears in inscriptions, Orelli, Inscr. 485, 3570, 3672; and on coins, Eckhel, vol. vi. p. 48…"
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quote:Originally posted by mena7: Mike if Moor mean wasteland Iron Lion is wrong for calling the ancient black people of Europe and North Africa Muur.
Marc Washington stated in beforebc.de that the black Phoenician created the first civilisations of Europe and North Africa(excluding Egypt).I read online a Phoenician people call the Illy created all the first civilization of Europe.they were the first ruling elite of Europe.The Phoenician of Ireland call Ari migrated to Egypt, Phoenicia and India.Ireland or Ari land is name after the Phoenician Ari.
I don't recall Marc saying anything like that, do you have a quote?
I think that you have the Egypt/Europe thing BACKWARDS. See The Story of Princess Scota.
The Illyrians
The people known as Illyrians to the Greeks, were a group of indigenous Black tribes who inhabited the Western Balkans (Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Greece, Kosovo, Macedonia, and Montenegro) in antiquity. The territory the tribes covered came to be known as Illyria to Greek and Roman authors, corresponding roughly to the area between Adriatic sea in west, Drava river in North, Morava river in east and the mouth of Vjosë river in south. These tribes, or at least a number of tribes considered "Illyrians proper", are assumed to have been united by a common Illyrian language, of which only small fragments are attested enough to classify it as a branch of Indo-European.
As is normal, Greeks spun myth in substitute of history. In Greek mythology, Illyrius was the son of Cadmus and Harmonia who eventually ruled Illyria and became the eponymous ancestor of the whole Illyrian people. A later version of this myth has as parents Polyphemus and Galatea, who give birth to Celtus, Galas and Illyrius. The second myth could stem perhaps from the discovered similarities of Illyrians to Celts and Gauls - who were probably the same people.
By the 7th century B.C, the Illyrians had developed the distinctive culture and art form that aids in identifying them. By this time, many Illyrian tribes appear to be under the influence of the Celtic Halstat culture in Germany to the north. Illyrian chiefs wore bronze torques around their necks, much like the Celts did. The cult of the dead played an important role in the lives of the Illyrians, which is seen in their carefully made burials and burial ceremonies, as well as the richness of the burial sites. In the northern parts of the Balkans, there existed a long tradition of cremation and burial in shallow graves, while in the southern parts, the dead were buried in large stone, or earthen tumuli (natively called gromile) which in Herzegovina, were reaching monumental sizes, more than 50 meters wide and 5 meters high.
The Illyrians formed several kingdoms in the central Balkans, the first known Illyrian king was Bardyllis. The Illyrian kingdoms were often at war with Greece, and Illyrian pirates regularly attacked their shipping. After the Dalmatian islands had been taken by the White Greeks, the Illyrians took them back. And later, Queen Teuta of Issa ( Vis Island) was made famous for having waged wars against the Romans.
At the delta of Neretva, there was the Illyrian tribe of Daors. Their capital of Daorson was located in Ošanići near Stolac in Herzegovina. It became the main center of classical Illyrian culture. During the 4th century B.C, it was surrounded by megalithic 5 meter high stonewalls (large as those of Mycenae in Greece), composed out of large trapeze stones blocks. Daors also made unique bronze coins and sculptures.
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The earliest people recorded in the Balkans belonged to three tribal groups–the Illyrians, Thracians, and Dacians. Historians are still out on the question if Thracians and Dacians were the same people or just closely related, Illyrians and Thracians were also related and are often refered to as “Thraco-Illyrian”
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: Well after Dana's post this thread had potential until Mike fucked it up with his shyt.
I have to admit there's some truth to that but at least he does some homework to fvck up threads. you simply buzz like a fly. either throwing poo or cheerlead-dick riding
Hey fool, when are you going to reply to Dana's post? Or are you going to take advantage of the opportunity Mike handed you for as long as you can?
are you her representative?
I don't reply to all posts
even though she didn't ask me a question.
If I ask someone a question, unlike losers such as yourself, I might ask it again once or twice but I don't go around like a baby crying asking them ten times over and over demanding they reply, I drop it and move on get a life, you aren't even dana , be you, the trolling worm
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Yes lioness, anguishofbeingstupid certainly is a strange one. But I think the issue for it is the stir-up, not any particular point of view. I think anguish just wants us to know that he/she exists and is there.
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quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: Well after Dana's post this thread had potential until Mike fucked it up with his shyt.
I have to admit there's some truth to that but at least he does some homework to fvck up threads. you simply buzz like a fly. either throwing poo or cheerlead-dick riding
Hey fool, when are you going to reply to Dana's post? Or are you going to take advantage of the opportunity Mike handed you for as long as you can?
are you her representative?
I don't reply to all posts
even though she didn't ask me a question.
If I ask someone a question, unlike losers such as yourself, I might ask it again once or twice but I don't go around like a baby crying asking them ten times over and over demanding they reply, I drop it and move on get a life, you aren't even dana , be you, the trolling worm
Noted. Ok then, carry on with your usual brainless exchanges with Mike the "Afrocentric". lol
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quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: Ok then, carry on with your usual brainless exchanges with Mike the "Afrocentric". lol
It must be really hard to have to read my endless succession of posts deconstructing false Albino history, and other Albino lies. And to be powerless to do anything about it, except to make the occasional inane comment, and then quickly run away. Like Cass, you are completely intimidated by Blacks.
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^It's nothing personal, you just happen to be an incidental causality in the battle to reconstruct the Negro mind. As I'm sure you realize, your own thinking and belief is of no consequence.
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Mike don't you mean your endless succession of racist posts, trying to falsify & steal history. Trying to deny my people our history, our heritage, our identities, our homeland & our ancestors.
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quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Mike don't you mean your endless succession of racist posts, trying to falsify & steal history. Trying to deny my people our history, our heritage, our identities, our homeland & our ancestors.
Doxie dear, everything that you lying, stealing, Murdering, Albinos have was stolen from Black people - including land. As the following case law demonstrates, you have no natural right to keep what you have stolen.
Theft principle in private law John Tarrant *
If money or goods were stolen the traditional common law remedy was damages for the value of the stolen property. Traditionally no equitable remedy was available in cases of stolen money or goods. This position changed in Australia when the High Court held in Black v S Freedman & Co Ltd (1910) 12 CLR 105 that stolen money is trust money in the hands of the thief. This significant development introduced an equitable response to the tort of conversion which Einstein J described as the “theft principle” in Cashflow Finance Pty Ltd (In liq) v Westpac Banking Corporation [1999] NSWSC 671. The author explores the development of the theft principle in Australian private law and explains the complexities that can arise from the application of the theft principle.
INTRODUCTION The common law provides private law remedies for theft in the form of the self-help remedy of recaption, damages for conversion and, if the thief has sold the goods, a money remedy for the sale proceeds of the stolen goods. These remedies have developed over many centuries of case law. This response of the common law to theft of money or goods would appear at first sight to be quite adequate: any title to money or goods acquired by a thief would be inferior to the true owner’s title and if the thief sold the goods the true owner could claim the proceeds of sale thus depriving the thief of any potential profits.
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You are an idiot Mike, you are the one who is lying & stealing. You are the one trying to claim land, history that is not yours. You are the one trying to deny my people of our history, our heritage, our identities, our homeland, our ancestors. We have a right to our history, our heritage, our identities, our homeland (Europe), our very ancestors all of which you are trying to steal from us to make us a historyless, heritageless, nameless, homeless people.
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You "ARE" historyless and heritageless: but not homeless. Your home is Central Asia, and you are welcome to return there - see, I'm not such a bad guy.
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No Mike you stupid Black racist POS we are NOT historyless or heritageless. We have a history, a heritage, an identity which YOU being the horrible Black racist person you are are trying to rob us of. NO Central Asia is NOT our homeland, Europe IS which again you are trying to deny us of.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Blah,blah,blah: Bottom line...
You "ARE" historyless and heritageless: but not homeless. Your home is Central Asia, and you are welcome to return there - see, I'm not such a bad guy.
and where did your ancestors come form before they were in America?
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quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: No Mike you stupid Black racist POS we are NOT historyless or heritageless. We have a history, a heritage, an identity which YOU being the horrible Black racist person you are are trying to rob us of. NO Central Asia is NOT our homeland, Europe IS which again you are trying to deny us of.
Doxie, what is the matter with you, you constantly misstate facts. I NEVER said that you did not have an identity, of course you do, you are Albinos. But whenever I call you by your true name, you become angry and say mean things to me, what am I to do?
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