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^ LOL, a Zionist bank supplied the cash, and a Zionist supplier supplied the so-called Gas for the chambers. I suppose the Zionist convinced themselves if they didn't bank-roll and supply Hitler with raw material for his chambers, Tanks, and weapons, someone else would, right? LOL, a certain Zionist also cornered the market on cloth so that Hitler had to come to his company to purchase cloth to make the Nazi uniforms. Life was truly hard for Zionists in Nazi Germany.
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quote:thick moron I did not make a comprehensive statement " the plan was to exterminate all the Jews of Europe"
That is the holocaust narrative you jackass! LOL If you are defending the narrative at least try to understand what it is alleging. Hitler and the Nazis wanted to exterminate all the Jews of Europe and Hitler wrote about this in his 1923 book and planned to bring it about if he came to power. But how does this ad up with the Transfer Agreement? Which is why your site Nizkor has to deny the Zionist collaboration with the Nazis since that is at complete odds with such a policy. Go look on the site dumbo he denies there was such a collaboration.
So again no answer to my question. Typical troll. lol
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quote:thick moron I did not make a comprehensive statement " the plan was to exterminate all the Jews of Europe"
That is the holocaust narrative you jackass! LOL If you are defending the narrative at least try to understand what it is alleging. Hitler and the Nazis wanted to exterminate all the Jews of Europe and Hitler wrote about this in his 1923 book and planned to bring it about if he came to power. But how does this ad up with the Transfer Agreement? Which is why your site Nizkor has to deny the Zionist collaboration with the Nazis since that is at complete odds with such a policy. Go look on the site dumbo he denies there was such a collaboration.
So again no answer to my question. Typical troll. lol
what you call a narrative is a simplification you use as a straw man. I am not a representative of the Nizkor site. I keep trying to tell your stupid ass> The Nazis had different officials who had different ideas about how to rid Germany of Jews and Romani and other undesirables. Your front is exposed when you insist I have to articulate "the narrative"
Some Nazis thought deportation would suffice. Others murder. And they also did the mass shootings outside of Germany which you think were justified.
Some of the soldiers doing the mass shootings had some mental problems due to carrying out this method. Another problem is that to do mass shooting inside Germany could have had political complications. They needed a more discreet method that was easier to conceal, including to the average German who may have been aniti-semitic but not to the extent of stomaching overt mass murder. It took them a while to figure out the gassing and how to trick the victims to cooperate and think they were getting deloused, use overns for disposal and build these facilities.
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quote:what you call a narrative is a simplification you use as a straw man.
No dummy, thats what the story ssays, unless you are going to come with another version: Hitler never really wanted to exterminate the Jews of Europe as stated in his 1923 book, only "some".
quote:I am not a representative of the Nizkor site.
So after all your spamming now you throw Nizkor under the bus! LOL!
quote:The Nazis had different officials who had different ideas about how to rid Germany of Jews
What you are arguing here doofus is that some officials wanted to kill (exterminate) the Jews of Europe, while others wanted to help them locate to Palestine, at the state's expense, others just wanted deportation. That makes no fuking sense. No government can operate with such haphazard, confusing and contradictory policies, not the least a government that was supposed to be totalitarian and super-efficient, you birdbrain. There was no "evolving" Nazi plan of annihilation, only evolving holocaust narrative to explain the contradictions.
quote: It took them a while to figure out the gassing
"Auschwitz was a terrible place -- but it was not an extermination camp."
Gitta Sereny in an interview with The Times, London, Aug. 29, 2001.
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Narmer, Lioness is correct, only difference between you and a Nazi is the Nazis only wanted Jews out of Germany & Europe, while you want Whites GONE, no more, extinct, gone bye bye, eradicated from the planet. You have even said that Whites should be forced to mix with non-Whites & those who refuse should be herded up and "contained" & don't deny you said such Narmer.
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quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Narmer, Lioness is correct, only difference between you and a Nazi is the Nazis only wanted Jews out of Germany & Europe, while you want Whites GONE, no more, extinct, gone bye bye, eradicated from the planet. You have even said that Whites should be forced to mix with non-Whites & those who refuse should be herded up and "contained" & don't deny you said such Narmer.
Hey, did you ask the question at your local klan meeting, at the US klan headquarters located down the street from your apartment?
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quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Narmer, Lioness is correct, only difference between you and a Nazi is the Nazis only wanted Jews out of Germany & Europe, while you want Whites GONE, no more, extinct, gone bye bye, eradicated from the planet. You have even said that Whites should be forced to mix with non-Whites & those who refuse should be herded up and "contained" & don't deny you said such Narmer.
Hey, did you ask the question at your local klan meeting, at the US klan headquarters located down the street from your apartment?
she can't help it if she was born in their vicinity
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^ Who asked you. How are you an expert on what Doxie can help or not? Perhaps she moved there specifically to be near the Klan HQ. Your guess is as good as mine, perhaps less, so STFU!
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While some Nazi officials were trying to exterminate Jews (a costly venture in itself), others were busy helping them to emigrate to Palestine at the state's expense, while others just wanted to deport them. In other words, at the same time concentration camps were being set up (for an extermination program) efforts were made to help Jews emigrate to Palestine. And this haphazard, confusing approach is an example of an efficient, totalitarian state in action.
While some Nazi officials were trying to exterminate Jews (a costly venture in itself), others were busy helping them to emigrate to Palestine at the state's expense, while others just wanted to deport them. In other words, at the same time concentration camps were being set up (for an extermination program) efforts were made to help Jews emigrate to Palestine. And this haphazard, confusing approach is an example of an efficient, totalitarian state in action.
LOL!!!
the zionists and Nazis had a common goal, that Jews should move to Israel. So what?
1931-1939: Nazism and anti-Semitism cause immigration to Palestine increase significantly (immigration 10's of thousands per year)
1939-1945: Immigration to Palestine slows down because of WWII (immigration few thousands per year at most)
1946-1948: After Holocaust and Nazism are over, immigration to Palestine increases significantly (immigration about 75,000 per year).
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There were millions of Jews in Germany during WW2
The Nazis, supported Jews migrating to Israel in order to purify the "Aryan race" not because they wanted to help Jews. Anybody with a brain can tell they hated Jews from their writings and helping them was only a byproduct of wanting to get them out of Europe, to them a necessary evil. As your link points out Hitler was skeptical but still supported it. Do you have quotes of Hitler saying that he supported Israel because he wanted the Jews to have their own nation for the sake of having their own nation an intent to help Jews? That is what you keep trying to imply and it is stupid. That is your retard narrative.
Obviously and you must agree the Nazis did not support the plan to the extent that this is how they dealt with most of the Jews by far. And the Nazis were not geniuses in everything they did, They made mistakes in relation to their goals and they changed policies as the war progressed.
They already had shot many more in Eastern Europe outside of Germany, men women and children then they had ever helped to migrate to Israel. And they were to murder several times that amount.
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quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Narmer, Lioness is correct, only difference between you and a Nazi is the Nazis only wanted Jews out of Germany & Europe, while you want Whites GONE, no more, extinct, gone bye bye, eradicated from the planet. You have even said that Whites should be forced to mix with non-Whites & those who refuse should be herded up and "contained" & don't deny you said such Narmer.
Narmer is the one with naked white women all over his photobucket while he claims he flirts with them in real life. His life is white people. He's a self-hating black obsessed with white women.
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quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Narmer, Lioness is correct, only difference between you and a Nazi is the Nazis only wanted Jews out of Germany & Europe, while you want Whites GONE, no more, extinct, gone bye bye, eradicated from the planet. You have even said that Whites should be forced to mix with non-Whites & those who refuse should be herded up and "contained" & don't deny you said such Narmer.
Narmer is the one with naked white women all over his photobucket while he claims he flirts with them in real life. His life is white people. He's a self-hating black obsessed with white women.
You are a closet gay boi, are you not?
Thin weak pink penis no girl, Muurish or Pink wants you...
But there is always the toy gay dolls for you...
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quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Narmer, Lioness is correct, only difference between you and a Nazi is the Nazis only wanted Jews out of Germany & Europe, while you want Whites GONE, no more, extinct, gone bye bye, eradicated from the planet. You have even said that Whites should be forced to mix with non-Whites & those who refuse should be herded up and "contained" & don't deny you said such Narmer.
Narmer is the one with naked white women all over his photobucket while he claims he flirts with them in real life. His life is white people. He's a self-hating black obsessed with white women.
^^^ do you have a link?
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quote:the zionists and Nazis had a common goal, that Jews should move to Israel. So what?
If the holocau$t is supposed to be the planned extermination of the Jewish race by the Nazis, already conceptualized in Hitler's 1923 book (Jews vermin to be "exterminated") why are they collaborating with Zionists to help Jews emigrate to Palestine with their wealth at their expense?. At the same time they are building "extermination camps" to wipe out the Jewish race (according to the story) they are helping Jews immigrate to Palestine?
quote:Nazis were not geniuses in everything they did,
Its not about being a genius you retard its about expecting rational people to believe that a totalitarian efficient government was supposed to be perusing two completely contradictory goals at the same time. It would have been totally impractical and costly. The truth is there was no plan to "exterminate the Jewish race". The deportations to camps (not all Jews btw) and killings on the eastern front was as a result of the war (brought to Germany by Inter Jewry) not as a result of some "extermination policy". The gassing story of course is totally false. Yet another "holocau$t historian" says
"Bungling, exaggerations, omissions and lies are the signpost of most reports of that époque ... It is inevitable that new documents will come to light which will shatter more and more the official Au-schwitz story. The present, seemingly triumphant portrayal of the universe of concentration camps (Auschwitz), is destined to be doomed. What can be saved of it? Very little!" - Jean-Claude Pressac
quote:Do you have quotes of Hitler saying that he supported Israel because he wanted the Jews to have their own nation for the sake of having their own nation an intent to help Jews?
This is to hide your inability to back up your shyt isnt it? LOL! You dumb trolling jackass there was no "Israel" and the Haavara agreement wasn't about building a "state of Israel".
Where is that Hitler quote I asked for?????? Still no reply!
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by anguishofbeing: why are they collaborating with Zionists to help Jews emigrate to Palestine with their wealth at their expense?.
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I answered this question asshole, what is your answer to it?
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quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: You didn't, Where did Hitler say he put a stop to the Transfer agreement because he would have to contend with Jewish state?
It's still there waiting...
He was skeptical about it. That is what your link said. I had read something to that effect before, that some Nazis were skeptical about the plan because they did not like the idea of a Jewish nation. I never said I had a Hitler quote shythead. Nevertheless your link agrees that he was skeptical about the plan but eventually enodrsed it. Why he was skeptical is a minor issue anyway. It doesn't matter. -or are yu trying to imply he wanted a Jewish nation for it's own sake because he liked the idea of Jewsish nationhood for what Nazi officals and filmakers called "vermin" ?
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: why are they collaborating with Zionists to help Jews emigrate to Palestine with their wealth at their expense?.
I have have addressed your question, do you now have the balls to answer your own question quoted above? If you can't there is no need for me to post further to entertain cowards
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [QUOTE]Originally posted by anguishofbeing: why are they collaborating with Zionists to help Jews emigrate to Palestine with their wealth at their expense?.
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I answered this question asshole, what is your answer to it?
I already answered it, the Nazis did not have a policy of extermination and immigration at the same time. We have evidence, documentation for the latter where's the same for the former? The "functionalist" perspective that you spout only came about as a result of lack of evidence: "A lack of hard evidence for an extermination order by Hitler has contributed to a controversy that divides Holocaust historians into "intentionalists" and "functionalists." The former contend that there was a premeditated extermination policy ordered by Hitler, while the latter hold that Germany's wartime "final solution" Jewish policy evolved at lower levels in response to circumstances."
As expected the two "schools" totally contradict each other and your "extermination quotes" are out of context. ["The Lack of Documents on Jewish Annihilation Policy and Its Consequences for the Orthodox Historians", Link
History is about evidence not inventing as you go along to fit some fable. This is why you and Mike love each other so much. Two sides of the same crackpot coin. lol
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A Jewish state in Palestine, the Foreign Minister informed diplomats in June 1937, would not be in Germany's interest because it would not be able to absorb all Jews around the world, but would only serve as an additional power base for international Jewry, in much the same way as Moscow served as a base for international Communism. /24 Reflecting something of a shift in official policy, the German press expressed much greater sympathy in 1937 for Palestinian Arab resistance to Zionist ambitions, at a time when tension and conflict between Jews and Arabs in Palestine was sharply increasing.
"The proclamation of a Jewish state or a Jewish-administrated Palestine," warned an internal memorandum by the Jewish affairs section of the SS, "would create for Germany a new enemy, one that would have a deep influence on developments in the Near East." Another SS agency predicted that a Jewish state "would work to bring special minority protection to Jews in every country, therefore giving legal protection to the exploitation activity of world Jewry."/27 In January 1939, Hitler's new Foreign Minister, Joachim von Ribbentrop, likewise warned in another circular bulletin that "Germany must regard the formation of a Jewish state as dangerous" because it "would bring an international increase in power to world Jewry."
Some German officials opposed the arrangement. Germany's Consul General in Jerusalem, Hans Döhle, for example, sharply criticized the Agreement on several occasions during 1937.
Only one man could resolve the controversy. Hitler personally reviewed the policy in July and September 1937, and again in January 1938, and each time decided to maintain the Haavara arrangement. The goal of removing Jews from Germany, he concluded, justified the drawbacks.
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quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: why are they collaborating with Zionists to help Jews emigrate to Palestine with their wealth at their expense?.
I answered this question asshole, what is your answer to it?
I already answered it, the Nazis did not have a policy of extermination and immigration at the same time. We have evidence, documentation for the latter where's the same for the former? The "functionalist" perspective that you spout only came about as a result of lack of evidence: "A lack of hard evidence for an extermination order by Hitler has contributed to a controversy that divides Holocaust historians into "intentionalists" and "functionalists." The former contend that there was a premeditated extermination policy ordered by Hitler, while the latter hold that Germany's wartime "final solution" Jewish policy evolved at lower levels in response to circumstances."
As expected the two "schools" totally contradict each other and your "extermination quotes" are out of context. ["The Lack of Documents on Jewish Annihilation Policy and Its Consequences for the Orthodox Historians", Link
History is about evidence not inventing as you go along to fit some fable. This is why you and Mike love each other so much. Two sides of the same crackpot coin. lol
I addressed your question and you still haven't answered this question. And it''s not even my question it's your question:
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: why are they collaborating with Zionists to help Jews emigrate to Palestine with their wealth at their expense?.
you say their motive was not extermination so what was it? why did they collaborate with Zionists to help Jews emigrate to Palestine?
you still have not grown a testicle
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LOL!!! You made statement "Hitler and certian other Nazis didn't like the idea because while it would help rid Germany of Jews they might have to contend with a Jewish state later" and when asked to back it up you stall for a day only to comeback with this shyt "I never said I had a Hitler quote shythead" LOLOL!!!
Bitch you have no/zero/nadda evidence for any of the shyt you say.
quote:or are yu trying to imply he wanted a Jewish nation
Settlement. Doofus, whether he "wanted it" or did it out of expedience doesn't matter. Did Nixon "want" to send billions of aid etc to the Jews even though he was anti-Jewish?
quote: A Jewish state in Palestine, the Foreign Minister informed diplomats in June 1937, would not be in Germany's interest…A Foreign Office circular bulletin of June 22, 1937, cautioned that in spite of support for Jewish settlement in Palestine, "it would nevertheless be a mistake to assume that Germany supports the formation of a state structure in Palestine under some form of Jewish control.
As I said, the Haavra agreement wasn't about the creation of a state of Israel and this is why Hitler supported it, doofus. Extermination narrative in trouble.
quote:you still haven't answered this question. you say their motive was not extermination so what was it? why did they collaborate with Zionists to help Jews emigrate to Palestine?
Asking the same question over, pretending it wasn't answered, is your MO troll. lol
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You read the link I posted yesterday explaining why Nazis collaborated with the Zionists to help the Jews immigrate to Palestine only to ask why did they collaborate with Zionists to help Jews immigrate to Palestine. A typical lioness production, priceless. LOL!
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: [QB] You read the link I posted yesterday explaining why Nazis collaborated with the Zionists to help the Jews immigrate to Palestine only to ask why did they collaborate with Zionists to help Jews immigrate to Palestine. A typical lioness production, priceless. LOL!
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing:
Originally posted by anguishofbeing: why are they collaborating with Zionists to help Jews emigrate to Palestine with their wealth at their expense?.
if you already knew the answer as per your link but were afraid to articulate it in your own words why were you asking me? Are you only able to be a parrot?
Some of what your source says is fact, some of it opinion Let's look at your source, author Mark Weber,
Mark Weber Institute for Historical Review (IHR) Since 1995, the director of the IHR has been Mark Weber,who previously worked with the white supremacist National Alliance. He served as the editor of the group's magazine, the National Vanguard. Throughout the 80s Weber functioned as the treasurer of the National Alliance's Cosmotheist Church. The IHR was founded in 1978 by David McCalden (also known as Lewis Brandon), a former member of the British National Front, and Willis Carto, the head of the now-defunct Liberty Lobby.
LEADING HOLOCAUST DENIER ADMITS HOLOCAUST HAPPENED
Truth is always true, is always new and alive, and it endures. Lies do not endure. Lying ideologies die, though they may like zombies keep moving jerkily about and so give the impression of being alive. In an article posted this past January at the website of the Institute for Historical Review, the leading Holocaust-denial organization, Mark Weber, its director and for decades the editor of its publication, The Journal of Historical Review, announced his abandonment of Holocaust revisionism. The real motive of the Holocaust denial enterprise, he writes, has always been to weaken and delegitimize the “Jewish-Zionist power.” But it no longer helps in that purpose, for three reasons.
The first reason that Holocaust denial no longer serves the purpose of fighting Jewish power is that it is largely untrue. To demonstrate this, Weber quotes amazing passages from Joseph Goebbels’s 1942 journals, which I doubt have ever appeared before in a Holocaust denial publication, detailing the removal and mass murder of Eastern European Jews. For instance:
March 27, 1942: “The Jews are now being deported to the East from the Generalgouvernement [Poland], starting around Lublin. The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely, and there’s not much left of the Jews. By and large, one can say that 60 percent of them will have to be liquidated, while only 40 percent can be put to work. The former Gauleiter of Vienna, who is carrying out the operation, is proceeding quite judiciously, using a method that is not all too conspicuous. The Jews are facing a judgment which, while barbaric, they fully deserve. The prophecy the Führer made about them for having brought on a new world war is beginning to come true in the most terrible manner. One must not be sentimental in these matters.” April 29, 1942: “Short shrift is being made of the Jews in all eastern occupied territories. Tens of thousands of them are being wiped out.”
Weber continues: No informed person disputes that Europe’s Jews did, in fact, suffer a great catastrophe during the Second World War. Millions were forced from their homes and deported to brutal internment in crowded ghettos and camps. Jewish communities across Central and Eastern Europe, large and small, were wiped out. Millions lost their lives. When the war ended in 1945, most of the Jews of Germany, Poland, the Netherlands and others countries were gone. Given all this, it should not be surprising that even well-founded revisionist arguments are often dismissed as heartless quibbling.
Question: Did Weber just learn of the Goebbels journals? Or has he known about them for years, and continued publishing Holocaust revisionist writings despite knowing they were false? The second reason that Holocaust denial no longer helps advance the campaign against the “Jewish-Zionist power,” just alluded to, is that, because of its evident untruth, it discredits and distracts from that campaign.
What drove the Holocaust denial enterprise, Weber tells us, was the hope that “exposing the Holocaust as a hoax [would] deliver a shattering blow to Israel and Jewish-Zionist power.” But, he continues, not only is the Holocaust not a hoax, but Jewish power is not based on just the Holocaust. Jewish power was already established in America prior to World War II. Therefore exposing the Holocaust as a hoax (which he admits can’t be done, but, he says in a thought experiment, even if it could be done) will not change anything essential as far as entrenched Jewish power is concerned and the need to destroy it.
Also, the Holocaust did not became a major theme in our culture until the late 1970s and 1980s, and now the world has moved on and the Holocaust is less culturally relevant than it used to be.
He states sadly that over the last ten years interest in Holocaust revisionism and Holocaust revisionist literature has “steadily declined.” At the same time, he cheerfully points out, there has been a rise in opposition to the “Jewish-Zionist power.”
In these admissions, the sheer ugliness of the Holocaust denial movement comes to the fore. It consisted of saying that the Holocaust was a cosmic lie, and that the Jews had bamboozled the entire world into believing this cosmic lie, the greatest hoax in history, all in order to gain power over non-Jews. What kind of people would do such a monstrous thing? The kind of people who deserved the very punishment that Hitler supposedly did not deliver to them.
It becomes clear that the main purpose of Holocaust denial was to make people hate Jews and see them as uniquely evil. It was thus the greatest anti-Semitic enterprise since World War II, replacing the Nazi ideology in that regard. But now it turns out, as admitted by a person who has been at the center of the denial project for the last 20 or 30 years, that the Holocaust did happen, and the Nazis did aim at, and largely carried out, the project of dispossessing and murdering, either immediately in death camps or a bit slower by slave labor in subhuman conditions, all the Jews of Europe, just as the “Holohoaxers” have always said. Will Weber apologize for having called the Holocaust a lie for all these years and thus provoking so much hatred against Jews? No. Because the production of Jew hatred is still his purpose. Shattering Israel and the Jewish power is still his mission. But now he intends to advance it by other means than Holocaust denial.
Finally, as mentioned above, Holocaust denial is no longer necessary in carrying out the war against the Jews, because, Weber says, anti-Semitism and anti-Israelism have been increasing worldwide. The real enemy is the Jewish-Zionist power, “a palpable reality with harmful consequences for America, the Middle East, and the entire global community.” The world is catching on to how bad the Jews are. As a result, a direct attack can now be made on the Jews themselves, rather than the indirect attack through Holocaust denial.
By the way: the global community? Since when are right-wing, tribalist anti-Semites concerned about the global community? When you’re driven by hatred for an enemy rather than by belief in truth, you pick up whatever you think will work for you. For 30 years Weber thought Holocaust denial would work for him, now he’s thinks that other things, like liberal-sounding appeals to the “global community” that is supposedly being oppressed by the Jews, will do the Jew-hating job better.
Weber then quotes an “influential statesman” who “seems to understand” the threat that the Jewish-Zionist power poses to the “global community.” And who is this esteemed authority? None other than the loony-tunes former prime minister of Malaysia, Mahathir Mohamad, who made a big splash in October 2003 with an extended anti-Jewish diatribe at the Organization of Islamic Conference. Thus Weber, prominent “historian” and anti-Jewish thinker, goes to a follower of the 1,400 year old Jew-exterminationist religion of Islam—the religion that portrays Jews as the relentless, subhuman enemies of everything decent in the world—as his top authority on the nature of the Jews.
In brief, Weber’s abandonment of his life-long project of Holocaust denial comes down to this zombie-like statement:
“The anti-Semitic enterprise of Holocaust denial is dead. Long live anti-Semitism!”
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^ LOL Lioness production is easy to predict.
quote:some of it opinion
Which part? And how does this negate the fact that Nazis were helping Jews to emigrate at the same time they were supposed to have been trying to wipe out the Jewish race? All your posts and spam and you have yet to leave the starting blocks retard. LOL!
quote:Let's look at your source, author Mark Weber
Well, yes, because you have yet to bring documentary evidence of a Nazi plan to wipe out the Jewish race by gassing etc. So let's do that.
Weber is talking about the mass murder of Eastern European Jews during a war (which no revisionist denies) and why people find it hard to sympathise with revisionism. Its nothing new however it just takes comprehension skills to understand what is actually being said:
Paul Rauber writes that:
"The question [of whether the IHR denies the Holocaust] appears to turn on IHR's Humpty-Dumpty word game with the word Holocaust. According to Mark Weber, associate editor of the IHR's Journal of Historical Review [now Director of the IHR], "If by the 'Holocaust' you mean the political persecution of Jews, some scattered killings, if you mean a cruel thing that happened, no one denies that. But if one says that the 'Holocaust' means the systematic extermination of six to eight million Jews in concentration camps, that's what we think there's not evidence for." That is, IHR doesn't deny that the Holocaust happened; they just deny that the word 'Holocaust' means what people customarily use it for.
Still no documentary evidence for the holocau$t (plan to exterminate the Jewish race via gassing etc) and you have yet to leave the starting blocks.
You have shyt for brains troll.
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your definition of troll is somebody who doesn't agree with you. Yet the actual definition is somebody who mainly makes short comments either cheerleading or insulting but not contributing any information in an Egyptology forum except tainted info on the topic holocaust denial. You are a propagandist for white supremacist neo Nazis. If somebody was reading your comments they would think Nazis like the Jews and were helping them to build their own nation because they liked the idea of Jewish nationhood. Still the coward you cannot articulate why they supported zionism because you want to conceal their motives. If you were to attempt to be honest and articulate why in your own words the first thing you would do is go to that white supremacist written essay and look closer at what they said to check the proper propaganda appraoch. And there they didn't even go into that much depth on motives. Instead grow a ball, don't read it again and see if you are man enough in your own words to say why.
You think Hitler was justified in invading Poland and you buy the false flag Gleiwitz propaganda because you are a Nazi wannabe. So instead of taking prisoners they machine gunned a million men women and children. And why even imprison these people, were they soldiers?
The Einsatzgruppen carried out operations ranging from the murder of a few people to operations which lasted over two or more days, such as the massacres at Babi Yar (33,771 killed in two days) and Rumbula (25,000 killed in two days). The Einsatzgruppen were responsible for the murders of over 1,000,000 people, and they were the first Nazi organizations to commence mass killing of Jews as an organized policy. The Einsatzgruppen were founded in the summer of 1938, when Germany was preparing an invasion of Czechoslovakia, scheduled for October 1. The Einsatzgruppen were to travel in the wake of the German armies as they advanced into Czechoslovakia, and secure government papers and offices. Unlike the early Einsatzkommando, the Einsatzgruppen were to be armed and authorized to freely use lethal force to accomplish their mission. The Munich Agreement of 1938 prevented the war for which the Einsatzgruppen were originally founded, but as the Germans occupied the Sudetenland in the fall of 1938, the Einsatzgruppen moved into the region to occupy offices formerly belonging to the Czechoslovak state.
Th German occupation of Czechoslovakia, is this another invasion you considered justified.
When they invaded these countries and lined up and shot men women in children and dumped their bodies in trenches do you even mention this?
You call them "partisans" and justify mass murder because it was "war". They are the enemy so it was justified. Just kill any civillian you want some might be "partisans" (people who didn't like getting invaded or Polish intelligensia who might write something in protest)
It was mass murder and Hitler started wars and invasions of numerous countries. Were these people soldiers he was dumping in ditches? Were these some Poles who had anti-German organizations talking about invading Germany? No they were ordinary civilians, most Jews.
So after a million people are lined up and murdered by death squads you won't mention it. You purposely leave that out because you don't want to mention Nazi motives and intent. You want people to not notice this million murders and think the Nazis just wanted to help the Jews form what would become their own nation because they were nice. You are an asshole. And you purposely leave out things like a million murders. You are a white washer trying to hide motive.
Most Jews in Germany had been residents of Germany for a long time and did not want to emigrate to Palestine. But they were dragged out of their homes, beaten killed, shop windows smashed and put into ghettoes and concentration camps, men women and kids. I ask you why did they do this? You won't answer because you are promoting the idea that they just wanted to help.
A minority were zionists and they wanted to migrate to Palestine to form their own nation where they could lead a country and not be subject to pogroms and various outbreaks of anti semitism that occurred in Europe. Naturally the zionists thought Nazis were a prime example of why Jews should leave Europe.
1931-1939: Nazism and anti-Semitism cause immigration to Palestine increase significantly (immigration 10's of thousands per year)
1939-1945: Immigration to Palestine slows down because of WWII (immigration few thousands per year at most)
1946-1948: After Holocaust and Nazism are over, immigration to Palestine increases significantly (immigration about 75,000 per year).
So during wartime this Palestine project where Nazis and zionist collaborated on getting Jews out of Germany amounted to little in terms of getting Jews out of Germany, small numbers. The immigration actually slowed down then despite these agreements - "Jewish Problem" not solved. It was an easier "solution" because people that wnated to migarte to Israel wanted to go- no potential resistance But most Jews did not want to leave Germany but by they time they realized how dangerous it was to stay it was too late.
Your attempt at Nazi wannabe propaganda is to suggest that it would be impossible for the Nazis to support Jewish emigration to Palestine and also devise extermination programs. But it was possible and it did happen, both things. You want to simplify because that is your narrative strategy.
You never mention this one million men women and kids that were shot in Eastern Europe. But that shows intent. They had no problem with invading various countries and committing mass murders of civilians. Your theory is that if an army invades a country and kills a million civilians it's not a mass murder of civilians the civilians are "partisans" and you are an asshole. And were they even the most powerful people in Poland? No
Helping Jews to emigrate to Palestine was an easy method to get Jews out of Germany. But most Jews had settled in Germany and did not want to migrate to Israel. If only they did it would have solved their "Jewish problem".
The Nazis coould have just lined up everybody in the streets of Germany and shot all the Jews. But there could be big problems with that. Countries that were on the fence about Germany would have seen that as pure savagery. German civilians and rank and file soldiers though many might have been anti-semitic but they might not have been able to stomach that and some might have protested something that brutal. They alreasy had some mental problems in German soldiers who exected people over ditches with machine guns. Not everybody's cut out for that.
So the Nazis came up with the discreet gassing plan, trains leading to the camps, disposal ovens and the trick that people were getting deloused, building these facilities. And the plan worked pretty well. The world and the average German couldn't easily see what was going on, the Jewish problem getting "solved"
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A mixture of your ramblings (i.e. inability to prove your case) and your usual cut and paste job. Next time separate your ramblings from the cut and paste and for god sake source your spam troll.
quote:want to conceal their motives.
What were their motives other than depopulating Germany of those Jews who wanted to leave?
quote: Einsatzgruppen
Again, predictably, you go for killings on eastern front and the usual wild figures (no evidence for) to prove your fable. It doesn't help your narrative since at the time it was formed and went into operation (supposedly to exterminate the Jewish race) Germany is helping Jews to emigrate to Palestine with their wealth and at the state's expense. Huh????? Makes no sense and your ramblings don't begin to explain the contradiction. Still not out of the blocks troll. LOL!
quote:You call them "partisans" and justify mass murder because it was "war".
They were partisans jackass and it was a war, jackass.
quote:Were these people soldiers he was dumping in ditches?
Retard doesn't know what a partisan means. lol
quote:But they were dragged out of their homes, beaten killed, shop windows smashed and put into ghettoes and concentration camps, men women and kids. I ask you why did they do this? You won't answer because you are promoting the idea that they just wanted to help.
You're a liar, I did answer this, you are getting too desperate now.
quote: So the Nazis came up with the discreet gassing plan, trains leading to the camps, disposal ovens and the trick that people were getting deloused, building these facilities
Been here already troll, no evidence for gassing. Your own holocaust "scholars" (Jewish and none Jewish) scholars admit it. You again lose bitch.
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The magic six million is still important even after revisions of the numbers by holocau$t historians themselves! LOL!
"It is vulgar and offensive for anybody to use the death of six million Jews and millions of others in the Holocaust to make a joke, but this is especially true for someone who is Jewish and who proudly and publicly wears her Jewishness on her sleeve," added Foxman.
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