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Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is under fire from the country's clerics over a photo of him consoling the mother of Hugo Chavez at the late Venezuelan leader's funeral — physical contact that's considered a sin under Iran's strict Islamic codes.
Apparently lying is NOT a sin, as demonstrated by doctored photos created to counter the original photo.
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Whats wrong?? Isnt This the Black Man's religion created by the great black Arab prophet of Islam and his beautiful Koran?
You all break your necks to claim the Byzantine/Gothic/Syrian/Egyptian/Roman influenced Architecture of the Moors and North Africans but you have a problem with Amendinijhad...lol. That guy is a saint compared to his mentor Muhammad who enacted Genocide on the Kuffar Pagan and Jewish/Xtian Arabs of Arabia, who Murdered in the dead of night poets who mocked him like the coward he was.
So whats the problem, go live among your Arab brothers in Dar Islam, stop hiding in Babylon/The West/AmeriKKKA.
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: Whats wrong?? Isnt This the Black Man's religion created by the great black Arab prophet of Islam and his beautiful Koran?
You all break your necks to claim the Byzantine/Gothic/Syrian/Egyptian/Roman influenced Architecture of the Moors and North Africans but you have a problem with Amendinijhad...lol. That guy is a saint compared to his mentor Muhammad who enacted Genocide on the Kuffar Pagan and Jewish/Xtian Arabs of Arabia, who Murdered in the dead of night poets who mocked him like the coward he was.
So whats the problem, go live among your Arab brothers in Dar Islam, stop hiding in Babylon/The West/AmeriKKKA.
Calm down Jari - first of all we don't know that Muhammad was an Arab. As a matter of fact, middle Easterners claim that he was from the Persia area, like the Albino writers of the various Hadiths such as Al-Bukhari or Imam Bukhari (194/810-256/870).
But as we know, But Al-Bukhari was NOT Black, was NOT an Arab, or even a Persian: He was a Tajik: Tajiks descended from ancient peoples of Central Asia, such as the Soghdians and the Bactrians (Turks). His people were simply vassals of the Persian Empire, and unscrupulous Albinos use that relationship to falsely claim that he was a Persian.
We know very little about Arab religion, but what little that we do know suggests that it was very similar to the ancient Black religions of the middle east and Africa.
(Doesn't this Temple look Egyptian)?
Sun temple - The Bar'an temple in Ma'rib. Known as Bilqis Throne (the Arabic name for the Queen of Sheba), it was built in the 8th century B.C. dedicated to Wadd (Ilumquh) and performed its function for nearly 1000 years.
Another clue is that before Arabs were "FORCED" to accept Islam, they had "WILLINGLY" accepted Christianity centuries earlier.
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^^ LOL But seriously, Iran has serious issues if they think any physical contact between men and women who are unrelated is a sin yet they condone pedophilia-- the marriage of brides as young as 9 with older men and even "thighing babies"-- as well as condoning homosexuality as long as the man is a transvestite and especially transexual, and even beastiality as long as the animal is destroyed after the sexual act! If you don't believe me try reading the Tahrirolvasyleh the nation's book on Islamic jurisprudence authored by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini himself.
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Islam need a major reformation like the reformation of the dictatorial Catholic church in the 17 cent CE that force them to accept the freedom of scholars and scientists.
Women are considered to be less then a dog in some Moslem country.It is ok for a moslem man to confort a crying children but not ok for a man to comfort a crying woman.President Ahmadinejad of Iran is being criticized for comforting the crying mother of the late Venezuelian President Hugo Chavez. This is very barbaric for Iranian cleric to criticize Ahmadinejad for doing a human gesture.
Some moslem country have no respect for women .In Saudi Arabia women have to cover themselve from heads to toes and hide their faces.Women cant stay in the same room with men.Women cant drive a car, women are stone to death for adultery, women received lashes for being raped by men, women cant be an athlete, women cant be politician etc.
In Afghanistan and some region in Pakistan control by the Taliban women cant go to school, women cant sing and dance, women cant work,women have to cover their bodies and there faces.The Taliban killed female children in Afghanistan and Pakistan for going to school.
In Jordan and other muslim countries there is a type of killing call honor killing were women are killed by their fathers and brothers for bringing shame to the family for refusing to marry men choosing for them by their father or for having a secret boyfriend not approved by the family.
According to the Koran it is a crime to leave the muslim religion.Living Islam is punishable by death.
Djehuti great link to Islam watch that show the muslim have a tradition of pedophilia, homosexuality and bestiality.They are just secretive and hypocrite about it.I think Saudi Arabia is run by a gay or bisexual royal family and cleric because that country is very discriminatory against women.Its like the gay men are protecting their position in society and dont want competition from women.A women cant walk in the street with a male friend.A group of women and men cant party together in the same room. In the year 2012 a mulato Saudi prince in London was convicted and sentenced to prison for beating to death a black Arab male servant and lover.The beating was filmed by the hotel camera. Posts: 5374 | From: sepedat/sirius | Registered: Jul 2012
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“No unrelated women can be touched unless she is drowning at sea or needs medical treatment,"
- Hojat al-Islam Hossein Ibrahimi, a cleric at the Society of Militant Clergy, said, according to Iran's Al-Monitor. Some of Ahmadinejad's supporters insisted the image was fake, digitally altered from a different photo showing the Iranian leader embracing an older man. But as The New York Times noted, the man-hug image was quickly debunked as a Photoshop job:
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Iran Blocks Way to Bypass Internet Filtering System By THOMAS ERDBRINK Published: March 11, 2013
TEHRAN — Iran’s powerful Ministry of Information and Communications Technology has blocked the most popular software used by millions of Iranians to bypass an elaborate official Internet filtering system, stepping up a campaign to gain more control over the way Iranians use the Internet.
As of Thursday, a collection of illegal virtual private networks, or VPNs, was successfully closed off by the ministry, making visits to Web sites deemed immoral or politically dangerous — like Facebook and Whitehouse.gov — nearly impossible.
Popular mobile applications like Viber, for free phone calls, and WhatsApp, for free text messaging service, have also been experiencing problems.
People trying to visit illegal Web sites are being directed to a page on which users are encouraged to report illegal use of the Internet. This page, Peyvandha.ir, also explains in Persian that Web sites that promote “debauchery, boozing, pornography, the sharing of pictures and advocating ideas against religion” are forbidden.
The VPNs helped users to go online through foreign-based servers and visit Web sites anonymously and unrestricted. While illegal in Iran, the software, which requires user names and passwords, has been widely available in the country.
Industry insiders say that hardware to block the VPNs was installed in the Ministry of Information and Communication Technology and its regional centers several months ago, and that after several test periods Iran now has the ability to control the software when used in Iran.
In recent years, Iran’s leaders have been labeling foreign Web sites and social media networks with increasing frequency as tools operated by foreign intelligence agencies. While several Iranian political figures, among them the supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, have Facebook pages, the authorities say the pages were created by fans.
While the Ministry of Information and Communication Technology executes Iran’s elaborate filtering policies, the National Center for Cyberspace, established a year ago as the Supreme Council for Cyberspace, decides which Web sites should be blocked.
Mehdi Akhavan Abadi, the center’s secretary, said last month that a new “smart filtering” system would be introduced within 90 days that would block only indecent or otherwise sensitive parts of a Web site, the semiofficial Mehr news agency reported.
Recognizing, however, that unfettered access to the Internet is essential for doing business, conducting research and other everyday activities, the National Center for Cyberspace last month started offering its own, state-controlled VPN software with the proviso that users promise not to visit sites deemed illegal.
Eliminating the informal VPNs and replacing them with a government-run network is not an idle exercise, as one employee of the Ministry of Information and Communication Technology explained.
“They could not see what people were doing while they used illegal VPNs,” said Hassan, 44, who did not want his family name mentioned. “They used to be anonymous, but anyone who uses their software will have every click tracked.”
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Im not going to argue with you on the ancestry of the Hadith Writers or Muhammad, but I will say..OF COURSE the Temple of the Queen of Sheba looks Egyptian, it also looks Ethiopian/Axumite because it stems from the Nile Valley African Culture, duh. Also believe it or not but there are Egyptian Influences in the Architecture at Petra, the only other thing that Arabs can claim besides Sand Dunes and Camels as great Arabian Culture before the 7th and 8th Centuries.
Also the Arabs were forced to accept Islam. After Muhammad's death the Caliph Abu Bakr spent two years Genociding and terrorizing the Kuffar Arabs who apostacized.
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: Whats wrong?? Isnt This the Black Man's religion created by the great black Arab prophet of Islam and his beautiful Koran?
You all break your necks to claim the Byzantine/Gothic/Syrian/Egyptian/Roman influenced Architecture of the Moors and North Africans but you have a problem with Amendinijhad...lol. That guy is a saint compared to his mentor Muhammad who enacted Genocide on the Kuffar Pagan and Jewish/Xtian Arabs of Arabia, who Murdered in the dead of night poets who mocked him like the coward he was.
So whats the problem, go live among your Arab brothers in Dar Islam, stop hiding in Babylon/The West/AmeriKKKA.
Calm down Jari - first of all we don't know that Muhammad was an Arab. As a matter of fact, middle Easterners claim that he was from the Persia area, like the Albino writers of the various Hadiths such as Al-Bukhari or Imam Bukhari (194/810-256/870).
But as we know, But Al-Bukhari was NOT Black, was NOT an Arab, or even a Persian: He was a Tajik: Tajiks descended from ancient peoples of Central Asia, such as the Soghdians and the Bactrians (Turks). His people were simply vassals of the Persian Empire, and unscrupulous Albinos use that relationship to falsely claim that he was a Persian.
We know very little about Arab religion, but what little that we do know suggests that it was very similar to the ancient Black religions of the middle east and Africa.
(Doesn't this Temple look Egyptian)?
Sun temple - The Bar'an temple in Ma'rib. Known as Bilqis Throne (the Arabic name for the Queen of Sheba), it was built in the 8th century B.C. dedicated to Wadd (Ilumquh) and performed its function for nearly 1000 years.
Another clue is that before Arabs were "FORCED" to accept Islam, they had "WILLINGLY" accepted Christianity centuries earlier.
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What you and many others FAIL to Understand is that Islam/Muslim Nations HAVE went through Secularization/Liberalization. What do you think Andalus was?? A Muhammadan state that allowed Drinking, depiction of Animals and Humans in Art, Secular Science and Learning, Jews and Christians in the Upper Echelons of Society?
The Shia Fatamids, the Abbasids etc all were influenced by non Muslims in Upper Echelons of the Intelligentsia as well as the Gov. Esp Jews, Persians and Christians. The Christian Nubians were very vital to the Fatamid Army for example.
Yet time and time again the true Koran abding Muhammdans would take over and turn what little Islam had to offer into the gutter of 7th century Arabia.
quote:Originally posted by mena7: Islam need a major reformation like the reformation of the dictatorial Catholic church in the 17 cent CE that force them to accept the freedom of scholars and scientists.
Women are considered to be less then a dog in some Moslem country.It is ok for a moslem man to confort a crying children but not ok for a man to comfort a crying woman.President Ahmadinejad of Iran is being criticized for comforting the crying mother of the late Venezuelian President Hugo Chavez. This is very barbaric for Iranian cleric to criticize Ahmadinejad for doing a human gesture.
Some moslem country have no respect for women .In Saudi Arabia women have to cover themselve from heads to toes and hide their faces.Women cant stay in the same room with men.Women cant drive a car, women are stone to death for adultery, women received lashes for being raped by men, women cant be an athlete, women cant be politician etc.
In Afghanistan and some region in Pakistan control by the Taliban women cant go to school, women cant sing and dance, women cant work,women have to cover their bodies and there faces.The Taliban killed female children in Afghanistan and Pakistan for going to school.
In Jordan and other muslim countries there is a type of killing call honor killing were women are killed by their fathers and brothers for bringing shame to the family for refusing to marry men choosing for them by their father or for having a secret boyfriend not approved by the family.
According to the Koran it is a crime to leave the muslim religion.Living Islam is punishable by death.
Djehuti great link to Islam watch that show the muslim have a tradition of pedophilia, homosexuality and bestiality.They are just secretive and hypocrite about it.I think Saudi Arabia is run by a gay or bisexual royal family and cleric because that country is very discriminatory against women.Its like the gay men are protecting their position in society and dont want competition from women.A women cant walk in the street with a male friend.A group of women and men cant party together in the same room. In the year 2012 a mulato Saudi prince in London was convicted and sentenced to prison for beating to death a black Arab male servant and lover.The beating was filmed by the hotel camera.
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: [QB] What you and many others FAIL to Understand is that Islam/Muslim Nations HAVE went through Secularization/Liberalization. What do you think Andalus was?? A Muhammadan state that allowed Drinking, depiction of Animals and Humans in Art, Secular Science and Learning, Jews and Christians in the Upper Echelons of Society?
The Shia Fatamids, the Abbasids etc all were influenced by non Muslims in Upper Echelons of the Intelligentsia as well as the Gov. Esp Jews, Persians and Christians. The Christian Nubians were very vital to the Fatamid Army for example.
Yet time and time again the true Koran abding Muhammdans would take over and turn what little Islam had to offer into the gutter of 7th century Arabia.
In al-Andullus the dynasty of the Almoravids (1062-1147) began in southern Morocco and moved into al-Andalus. The Berber Almoravids were harsh, puritanical, orthodox Muslims, critical of the grandeur of the earlier Ummayads they considered decadent.
The Almohads (1147-1258) displaced them, another strict Muslim regime, and by 1159 briefly united the Maghrib all the way from al-Andalus in Iberia to Ifriqya (Libya)
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It's just a pity because Iran was Ancient Persia with its impressive civilisation. When the Arab gangs invaded the Persians fought against them tooth and nail but in the end the savages won--just like the barbarians conquering Rome.
But the Persians were able to keep their language and avoid the humiliation of being transformed into Arabs--like Iraq and North Africa.
Were Persia non-Islamic it would be much more civilised, free and advanced. Alas!
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quote: LOL But seriously, Iran has serious issues if they think any physical contact between men and women who are unrelated is a sin yet they condone pedophilia-- the marriage of brides as young as 9 with older men and even "thighing babies"-- as well as condoning homosexuality as long as the man is a transvestite and especially transexual, and even beastiality as long as the animal is destroyed after the sexual act! If you don't believe me try reading the Tahrirolvasyleh the nation's book on Islamic jurisprudence authored by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini himself.
Wow! I wonder how many camels and goats bit the dust on this one? Would eating their meat--why waste it--be haram or halal? Note too that in Iran you can marry on the short term too. You are there in Iran for a few months, you can rent a girl for the length of your stay by "marrying" her, and when you are about to leave just say "I divorce thee" 3 times and that's it. On the plane and outa there.
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quote:Originally posted by lamin: It's just a pity because Iran was Ancient Persia with its impressive civilisation. When the Arab gangs invaded the Persians fought against them tooth and nail but in the end the savages won--just like the barbarians conquering Rome.
But the Persians were able to keep their language and avoid the humiliation of being transformed into Arabs--like Iraq and North Africa.
Were Persia non-Islamic it would be much more civilised, free and advanced. Alas!
what about Roman conquest in North Africa?
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^^ LOL But seriously, Iran has serious issues if they think any physical contact between men and women who are unrelated is a sin yet they condone pedophilia-- the marriage of brides as young as 9 with older men and even "thighing babies"-- as well as condoning homosexuality as long as the man is a transvestite and especially transexual, and even beastiality as long as the animal is destroyed after the sexual act! If you don't believe me try reading the Tahrirolvasyleh the nation's book on Islamic jurisprudence authored by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini himself.
But the Romans left. The vermin that invaded North Africa all believe that they are there to stay even though they refuse to call themselves Africans. And the racist West helps them with this MENA BS.
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But the Romans left. The vermin that invaded North Africa all believe that they are there to stay even though they refuse to call themselves Africans. And the racist West helps them with this MENA BS.
what about Gaddafi? Did he represent these "vermin" ? To what extent was Gaddafis Libya in the interest of Arabs? I'm saying disregarding comparison to the current regime. What would you say about Libya if we went back in time to when he was still in power in terms of it being an Arab oriented state?
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Libya was an Africa-oriented state--with a secular outlook. Most of the funding for the African Union came from Libya. And Libya had many useful projects in Africa proper.
Women didn't have to wear veils and they could choose any profession. Gaddafi's daughter is a lawyer.
Gaddifi's family background is Berber, which, of course, though Arabised Berber.
In fact, hatred for his attempts to reverse the MENA trend and the accompanying racism of the Arab settlers in Benghazi explains a great deal of the animosity against the regime. The settler vermin--the new CIA sponsored terror regime--are living for free in Africa and not paying rent. When you don't pay rent--watch out, eviction is in the cards. Garbage in garbage out.
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^lamin, I assume that you know that there are no significant number of Arabs, i.e. very few Arabs in North Africa. Yet you use the cover term "Arab" yourself. Is this out of habit, or are you once again involved in nefarious purpose?
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The problem with being a mulatto is that often you don't know how to self identify. Note this article from Wiki.
Pharaonism became the dominant mode of expression of Egyptian anti-colonial activists of the pre-war and inter-war periods. In 1931, following a visit to Egypt, Syrian Arab nationalist Sati' al-Husri remarked that "[Egyptians] did not possess an Arab nationalist sentiment; did not accept that Egypt was a part of the Arab lands, and would not acknowledge that the Egyptian people were part of the Arab nation." The later 1930s would become a formative period for Arab nationalism in Egypt, in large part due to efforts by Syrian, Palestinian and Lebanese intellectuals. Arab-Islamic political sentiment was fueled by the solidarity felt between Egyptians struggling for independence from Britain and those across the Arab world engaged in similar anti-imperialist struggles. In particular, the growth of Zionism in neighboring Palestine was seen as a threat by many Egyptians and the cause of resistance there was adopted by rising Islamic movements such as the Muslim Brotherhood as well as the political leadership including King Faruq I and Prime Minister Mustafa el-Nahhas. Nevertheless, a year after the establishment of the League of Arab States in 1945, to be headquartered in Cairo, Oxford University historian H. S. Deighton was still writing:
“The Egyptians are not Arabs, and both they and the Arabs are aware of this fact. They are Arabic-speaking, and they are Muslim indeed religion plays a greater part in their lives than it does in those either of the Syrians or the Iraqi. But the Egyptian, during the first thirty years of the [twentieth] century, was not aware of any particular bond with the Arab East... Egypt sees in the Arab cause a worthy object of real and active sympathy and, at the same time, a great and proper opportunity for the exercise of leadership, as well as for the enjoyment of its fruits. But she is still Egyptian first and Arab only in consequence, and her main interests are still domestic.”
It was not until the Nasser era more than a decade later that Arab nationalism, and by extension Arab socialism, became a state policy and a means with which to define Egypt's position in the Middle East and the world, usually articulated vis-ŕ-vis Zionism in the neighboring new state of Israel. Nasser's politics was shaped by his conviction that all the Arab states were contending with anti-imperialist struggles and thus solidarity between them was imperative for independence. He viewed the earlier Egyptian nationalism of Saad Zaghlul as too inward-looking and saw no conflict between Egyptian patriotism (wataniyya) and Arab nationalism (qawmiyya). For a while Egypt and Syria formed the United Arab Republic (UAR) and when the union was dissolved, Egypt continued to be known as the UAR until 1971, when Egypt adopted the current official name, the Arab Republic of Egypt. The Egyptians' attachment to Arabism, however, was particularly questioned after the 1967 Six-Day War. Thousands of Egyptians had lost their lives and the country became disillusioned with Arab politics. Although the Arabism instilled in the country by Nasser was not deeply embedded in society, a certain kinship with the rest of the Arab world was firmly established and Egypt saw itself as the leader of this larger cultural entity. Nasser's version of pan-Arabism stressed Egyptian sovereignty and leadership of Arab unity instead of the eastern Arab states.
Nasser's successor Anwar el-Sadat, both through public policy and his peace initiative with Israel, revived an uncontested Egyptian orientation, unequivocally asserting that only Egypt and Egyptians were his responsibility. According to Dawisha, the terms "Arab", "Arabism" and "Arab unity", save for the new official name, became conspicuously absent. However, despite Sadat's systematic attempts to root out Arab sentiment, Arab nationalism in Egypt remained a potent force. During this era, in 1978, Egyptian-American sociologist Saad Eddin Ibrahim studied the national discourse between 17 Egyptian intellectuals relating to Egypt's identity and peace with Israel. He noted that in 18 articles Arab identity was acknowledged and neutrality in the conflict opposed, while in eight articles Arab identity was acknowledged and neutrality supported and only in three articles written by author Louis Awad was Arab identity rejected and neutrality supported. Egyptian scholar Gamal Hamdan stressed that Egyptian identity was unique, but that Egypt was the center and "cultural hub" of the Arab world, arguing that "Egypt in the Arab world is like Cairo in Egypt." Hamdan further contended "We do not see the Egyptian personality, no matter how distinct it may be, as anything other than a part of the personality of the greater Arab homeland."
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It should be remembered that before oil wealth came to the Arabian peninsula, it was a sparsely populated desert country. Point being that in no way was there ever enough Arabs to spread out over the Levant, North Africa, Egypt, etc, etc. The Arab armies were not solely Arab, but rather made up of many booty seeking adventurers lured by Muhammad's call to conquer and loot.
In most of the so-called Arab states there is a mixture of invader inhabitants, each country (except Morocco) has a majority from one particular invader, the Turks! Plus a secondary majority of Germanics from one source or another. Example: in Libya it is Italians who invaded in 1911. In Algeria and Tunisia they are the French who invaded in 1830.
Clearly the ruling elite in Egypt are not Egyptians, but they are just as certainly not Arabs either. The term Arabized is also a lie, those mulattoes are not Arabizized, they are Turkizized.
So then why did they all settle on the false identity of Arab, when clearly none of them had anything to do with Arabs?
It may be for just the reason that none of them had anything to do with Arab, that they chose that identity - it's neutral! Plus it served to unite them around the one thing that they all do have in common - Islam.
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^ If Jews rule the ME why is Israel so tiny and why are they constantly attacked or threatened to be attacked by their neighbors??
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: Religious extremism, sexism and pedophilia is wrong in whatever form. Even Judaism too.
No disagreement here. I can't tell you how many people are shocked when I tell them that sex abuse and pedophilia go on in some Buddhist temples also and that Buddhism was also spread in part to suppression of indigenous religions.
quote:The Truth About the Talmud A Documented Exposé of Supremacist Rabbinic Hate Literature
Of course there are different 'Talmuds' written in different periods by different authors. I'm not Jewish, but I'm pretty certain the Talmud does NOT supersede the Tanakh (Jewish Bible) and especially the Torah in authority.
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Mike you are right the desertic Arabian peninsula didnt have a large population to populate West Asia and North Africa during the time of the Arab-Islamic Empire of the Ummayad and the Abbasid.I think Western Asian and North African after converting to Islam adopted the Arab name and the Arab languages. The Phoenician languages was the international trading language of West Asia and North Africa in classical time and the Arabic language is close to Phoenician,those fact maked it easy for the MENA people to adopt arabic as their languages.
I think the Seljuk, Mameluk and Ottoman Turks were the ruling elite and soldiers of the Middle Est and North Africa starting in the 14 cent CE.The central Asian Turk migrated heavily in Anatolia and mixed with the black and brown people there.In North Africa I dont think the Turk migrated in large number only the ruling elite and the armies were Turkishs.The bleaching of North African and Arab blacks was due to the East European Slave women and Central Asian Turk women slave Trade for century to Africa.
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^ Let's not forget that the actual Turks from the eastern steppes i.e. Mongolia and Xingjiang China were not that populous either and that most folks who speak Turkic languages today are in fact descended from natives who adopted the language of the minority Turkic invaders.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ If Jews rule the ME why is Israel so tiny and why are they constantly attacked or threatened to be attacked by their neighbors??
quote:The Truth About the Talmud A Documented Exposé of Supremacist Rabbinic Hate Literature
Of course there are different 'Talmuds' written in different periods by different authors. I'm not Jewish, but I'm pretty certain the Talmud does NOT supersede the Tanakh (Jewish Bible) and especially the Torah in authority.
Jew apologists. Not hard to snuff you fools out. lol
"The supremacy of the Talmud over the Bible in the Israeli state may also be seen in the case of the black Ethiopian Jews. Ethiopians are very knowledgeable of the Old Testament. However, their religion is so ancient it pre-dates the Scribes' Talmud, of which the Ethiopians have no knowledge. According to the N.Y. Times of Sept. 29, 1992, p.4:
"The problem is that Ethiopian Jewish tradition goes no further than the Bible or Torah; the later Talmud and other commentaries that form the basis of modern traditions never came their way."
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LMAO, Persia is everything great in "Islam", the Architecture, the ability to Rule Vast Empires, the Art, The science etc 95% was developed by Persians. Persia should have been a leader in the East like Rome is in the West but the Muhammdan Mullahs and Imams kept Persia in the shadow of the Koran while the West Expoded with Secularism via the Greek/Roman Renassaince.
Islam is a gutter religion, its to bad the pearl that was once Persia was thrown to the Swine from Arabia and his hordes of savages.
quote:Originally posted by lamin: It's just a pity because Iran was Ancient Persia with its impressive civilisation. When the Arab gangs invaded the Persians fought against them tooth and nail but in the end the savages won--just like the barbarians conquering Rome.
But the Persians were able to keep their language and avoid the humiliation of being transformed into Arabs--like Iraq and North Africa.
Were Persia non-Islamic it would be much more civilised, free and advanced. Alas!
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: LMAO, Persia is everything great in "Islam", the Architecture, the ability to Rule Vast Empires, the Art, The science etc 95% was developed by Persians. Persia should have been a leader in the East like Rome is in the West but the Muhammdan Mullahs and Imams kept Persia in the shadow of the Koran while the West Expoded with Secularism via the Greek/Roman Renassaince.
Islam is a gutter religion, its to bad the pearl that was once Persia was thrown to the Swine from Arabia and his hordes of savages.
Jari - Persia fell, not because of barbarian Arabs, but simply because it had once again become decadent, and could no longer stand as a nation. If you research why the Achaemenian Persians fell to Alexander, and why the Sassanian Persians fell to the Arabs, both vastly inferior armies, you will find the same reasons.
Endless Palace intrigues, constant murders for political positions, an army overly dependent on foreign mercenaries and the like, not to mention issues with religion.
As a testament to how important these internal issues are to the strength of a nation, we can compare Persia with it's archenemy the Eastern Roman Empire - the two of which were roughly equal in strength.
For about 400 years these two great powers battled each other to a standstill for control of the civilized world. (Though the Persians often got the better of it, they were the only ones to capture a Roman Emperor).
Yet because of internal weakness, Persia fell quickly to the inferior Arabs. But the Eastern Roman Empire endured for another 800 years.
After the Arab victory, it was NOT the Arabs who destroyed Persian civilization - Arabs just wanted to settle down and FARM, and enjoy the fruits of their victory.
It was the Albinos of the Eastern Vassal kingdoms who took over - they were also the people who wrote the Islamic Hadiths. These were Turks, Scythians, Bactrians, Sogdianas, and others.
Persia got one last chance to survive as a civilized culture when the Buyids (Dailamites from the mountains of northern Persia, who had sided with the Arabs), took power in the late 800s. They however were defeated by the Seljuq Turks in 1040, who in turn were defeated by the Mongols.
Persia was passed between the Albinos and the Mongols like a cheap whore ever since - with the Albinos being in control for the last several hundred years. That is why Persia is a sh1thole.
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Mike teaches that Arabs are blacks and are indistingusihable from West Africans and that people who claim to be Arabian that do not look like West Africans are primarily Turkish So Jari stop your anti Arab stuff and blame it on Turkey, Arabs are good
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Mike teaches that Arabs are blacks and are indistingusihable from West Africans and that people who claim to be Arabian that do not look like West Africans are primarily Turkish So Jari stop your anti Arab stuff and blame it on Turkey, Arabs are good
Damn lioness, every time I think that you can't get any stupider, you get stupider!
West Africa is 3000-4000 miles away from Arabia. East Africa is 24 miles away from Arabia. Ethiopia and Arabia have a long and intertwined history together. So please tell me why you would compare Arabs to West Africans instead of East Africans?
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The Persians might have had corruption and their Empires fell countless times, but Persia was always the Light of Civilization in the East for Thousands of years. Persia was always a leader in architecture, Art, Philosophy, the Sciences etc. Also Persia produced some of the most tolerant Nations/Empires in Early Antiquity. Persia should have been the birthplace of the Enlightenment ideas, the Greeks and certainly the Romans had no notions of Equality of Men, but the Persians did. In the Achemenid Imags of Client Empires bearing Tribute, all the Peoples subject to Persia are depicted with dignity and honor.
Yet when Persia embraced Islam it came under the shadow of stupidity and laws based on a 7th century Arabian nomadic sheik and his cultureless rantings. Under the opressive Muhammadan shadow Persia became oppresive, racist, stupid, vile and idiotic. Ranting and praising an Arab nobody called "Ali" and his cult of Shi'a Islam. I mean who the **** is Ali anyway, and why on Gods green Earth are brilliant people like the Persians putting this low life on a pedalstool, when the have people like Zoroaster and Darius the Great. Ali and Muhammad are not worthy to look at the Sandals of Darius.
So yes, the Hordes of Arabian nomads who Invaded Persia under the Pirating, Plundering and Rapist Crime Syndicate called the Caliphate sowed the seeds of the demise of Persia that would produce Bumbling idiots like Amendinijhad ranting shi'a fairytales everyday to the world public.
The same is happening in Europe, in places like London, France etc. In a few Hundred YEars time London will be the next Bhagdad and France the next Morocco.
Hopefully and Thankfully we have the Chinese to keep the torch of Civility and Human Progression going. As long as they Stomp the Muhammadan Roaches into the ground that is. The Liberals have already destroyed Europe with their cowtowing to Muhammadan Islam, The same is happening in America. China is our only hope for the Future of Humanity from the stupidity and Gutter of a 7th Century Pirate and his billions of stupified followers.
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: LMAO, Persia is everything great in "Islam", the Architecture, the ability to Rule Vast Empires, the Art, The science etc 95% was developed by Persians. Persia should have been a leader in the East like Rome is in the West but the Muhammdan Mullahs and Imams kept Persia in the shadow of the Koran while the West Expoded with Secularism via the Greek/Roman Renassaince.
Islam is a gutter religion, its to bad the pearl that was once Persia was thrown to the Swine from Arabia and his hordes of savages.
Jari - Persia fell, not because of barbarian Arabs, but simply because it had once again become decadent, and could no longer stand as a nation. If you research why the Achaemenian Persians fell to Alexander, and why the Sassanian Persians fell to the Arabs, both vastly inferior armies, you will find the same reasons.
Endless Palace intrigues, constant murders for political positions, an army overly dependent on foreign mercenaries and the like, not to mention issues with religion.
As a testament to how important these internal issues are to the strength of a nation, we can compare Persia with it's archenemy the Eastern Roman Empire - the two of which were roughly equal in strength.
For about 400 years these two great powers battled each other to a standstill for control of the civilized world. (Though the Persians often got the better of it, they were the only ones to capture a Roman Emperor).
Yet because of internal weakness, Persia fell quickly to the inferior Arabs. But the Eastern Roman Empire endured for another 800 years.
After the Arab victory, it was NOT the Arabs who destroyed Persian civilization - Arabs just wanted to settle down and FARM, and enjoy the fruits of their victory.
It was the Albinos of the Eastern Vassal kingdoms who took over - they were also the people who wrote the Islamic Hadiths. These were Turks, Scythians, Bactrians, Sogdianas, and others.
Persia got one last chance to survive as a civilized culture when the Buyids (Dailamites from the mountains of northern Persia, who had sided with the Arabs), took power in the late 800s. They however were defeated by the Seljuq Turks in 1040, who in turn were defeated by the Mongols.
Persia was passed between the Albinos and the Mongols like a cheap whore ever since - with the Albinos being in control for the last several hundred years. That is why Persia is a sh1thole.
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Mike is under the stupified aura of the Myth called "Islamic Civilization" like countless other blacks he associates the Persian/Byzantine,Indian,Chinese,Egyptian,Roman derived High Culture, Science and architecture with a bunch of Nomadic barbarian illiterates. Its funny seeing all these blacks in America scramble to claim Muhammad as a black person, they then proceed to claim the Moors and of course the Moorish Architecture as a product of blacks..lol.
Little do they know or little can their brains process that the Moorish Architecture and Muhammad and his Koran had nothing to do with each other. The Moorish Architecture btw was inspired heavily by Persian/Syrian and Byzantine Designs. This type of Architecture was not even seen in North Africa for gods sake, North Africa had Roman, Egyptian and Byzantine influences.
So it begs the question why are these blacks trying to claim the Arabs, Please tell what civilization the Arabs produced..?? Please tell any defining Architecture the Arabs produced similar to the Ziggurat, the Hypostyle Hall, the Pantheon?? Please tell what contributions to science the Arabs produced? Where are all the Great Architecture and Palaces in the Peninsula of the Arabs prior to the Oil Money in the 20th Century, Where are the Universities of Higher Learning comparable to Bhagdad, Fez, Cairo, and others?
Mike is like a Seagull he's attracted to shiny things, like how John the Revelator stared in awe and stupor at the Purple Garments of the Disgusting Whore of Babylon, so to do Mike and Countless blacks like the Liar Westly Muhammad stare in drunken stupor at the purple garment of the non existant liberal lie called Arab civilization(The Whore).
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Mike teaches that Arabs are blacks and are indistingusihable from West Africans and that people who claim to be Arabian that do not look like West Africans are primarily Turkish So Jari stop your anti Arab stuff and blame it on Turkey, Arabs are good
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As we can see above, Jari is off of his meds and is now ranting, at lioness instigation - talk about two peas in a pod. Nonetheless let us persevere.
Sometime during the Arab war with Persia, caliph Omar Ibn-Khattab is reported to have written this letter to Persian king Yazdgerd III.
Text of the ultimatum from Omar Ibn-Khattab the Calif of Islam to the Yazdgerd III
Bism-ellah Ar'rahman Ar'rhim To the Shah of the Fars
I do not foresee a good future for you and your nation save your acceptance of my terms and your submission to me. There was a time when your country ruled half the world, but see how now your sun has set. On all fronts your armies have been defeated and your nation is condemned to extinction. I point out to you the path whereby you might escape this fate. Namely, that you begin worshipping the one god, the unique deity, the only god who created all that is. I bring you his message. Order your nation to cease the false worship of fire and to join us, that they may join the truth.
Worship Allah the creator of the world. Worship Allah and accept Islam as the path of salvation. End now your polytheistic ways and become Muslims that you may accept Allah-u-Akbar as your savior. This is the only way of securing your own survival and the peace of your Persians. You will do this if you know what is good for you and for your Persians. Submission is your only option Allah u Akbar
The Calif of Muslims Omar Ibn-Khat'tab
The response:
In the name of Ahuramazda the Creator of Life and Wisdom
From the Shahan-Shah of Persia Yazdgerd to Omar Ibn Khat'tab the Arab Calif.
In your letter you summon us Persians to your god whom you call "Allah-u-Akbar"; and because of your barbarity and ignorance, without knowing who we are and Whom we worship, you demand that we seek out your god and become worshippers of "Allah-u-Akbar".
How strange that you occupy the seat of the Arab Calif but are as ignorant as any desert roaming Arab! You admonish me to become monotheistic in faith. Ignorant man, for thousands of years we Aryaee have, in this land of culture and art, been monotheistic and five times a day have we offered prayers to God's Throne of Oneness. While we laid the foundations of philanthropy and righteousness and kindness in this world and held high the ensign of "Good Thoughts, Good Words and Good Deeds", you and your ancestors were desert wanderers who ate snakes and lizards and buried your innocent daughters alive.
You Arabs who have no regard for God's creatures, who mercilessly put people to the sword, who mistreat your women and bury you daughters alive, who attack caravans and are highway robbers, who commit murder, who kidnap women and spouses; how dare you presume to teach us, who are above these evils, to worship God?
You tell me to cease the worship of fire and to worship God instead! To us Persians the light of Fire is reminiscent of the Light of God. The radiance and the sun-like warmth of fire exuberates our hearts, and the pleasant warmth of it brings our hearts and spirits closer together, that we may be philanthropic, kind and considerate, that gentleness and forgiveness may become our way of life, and that thereby the Light of God may keep shining in our hearts.
Our God is the Great Ahuramazda. Strange is this that you too have now decided to give Him a name, and you call Him by the name of "Allah-u-Akbar".
But we are nothing like you. We, in the name of Ahuramazda, practice compassion and love and goodness and righteousness and forgiveness, and care for the dispossessed and the unfortunate; But you, in the name of your "Allah-u-Akbar" commit murder, create misery and subject others to suffering! Tell me truly who is to blame for your misdeeds? Your god who orders genocide, plunder and destruction, or you who do these things in his name? Or both?
You, who have spent all your days in brutality and barbarity, have now come out of your desolate deserts resolved to teach, by the blade and by conquest, the worship of God to a people who have for thousands of years been civilized and have relied on culture and knowledge and art as mighty supports.
What have you, in the name of your "Allah-u-Akbar", taught these armies of Islam besides destruction and pillage and murder that you now presume to summon others to your god?
Today, my people's fortunes have changed. Their armies, who were subjects of Ahuramazada, have now been defeated by the Arab armies of "Allah-u-Akbar". And they are being forced, at the point of the sword, to convert to the god by the name of "Allah-u-Akbar". And are forced to offer him prayers five times a day but now in Arabic; since your "Allah-u-Akbar" only understands Arabic.
I advise you to return to your lizard infested deserts. Do not let loose upon our cities your cruel barbarous Arabs who are like rabid animals. Refrain from the murder of my people. Refrain from pillaging my people. Refrain from kidnapping our daughters in the name of your "Allah-u-Akbar". Refrain from these crimes and evils.
We Aryaee are a forgiving people, a kind and well-meaning people. Wherever we go, we sow the seeds of goodness, amity and righteousness. And this is why we have the capacity to overlook the crimes and the misdeeds of your Arabs.
Stay in your desert with your "Allah-u-Akbar", and do not approach our cities; for horrid is your belief and brutish is your conduct.
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Please tell me how the above discredits an iota of anything I have said. I mean are you not the champion of Arabs your cultured and scientific brothers from a Peninsula full of Palaces, Stone Temple, High Rise Architecture etc called Arabia. Are you not the one who spams countlessly images of dirty black bedouins without any shoes sitting idly with camels in the background that you claim represent the Arabs.
Please explain to me how the above discerdits me and favors your ass kissing and bootlicking of the cultureless Arab nomad?? Or is this your typical flip-flopping Afrocentric Bullshit debating style..??
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The funny thing about you Mike is unlike the other Afrocntrics you are the only one who does'nt claim Muhammad and the Pirating Crime Bosses called the Caliphs and the Hadith Authors. This is interesting to me, a person who claims the Arabs but disclaims Muhammad..how funny. This must mean you unlike the other Afrocentrics can see how silly, vile and stupid the Rantings of the Koran and Hadiths are and how much of a fake Muhammad was, or else youd be claiming him.
Im pretty sure in due time you will disclaim the Arabs except for the one in the South as blacks once the truth hits home.
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I hate Islam too. And the prophet Muhammad, and the Wesley guy, and the Ahmennijaajaj guy, the hadith, the Arabs, and the Afrocentrics also. Hate them all!
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quote:2:47 O Children of Israel! call to mind the (special) favor which I bestowed upon You and that I preferred you to the alamin( all others in the Universe).
BTW theres more...
Aint that some shyt..lol. Islam is a funny comedic religion..lol
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Well all three "Abrahmic faiths" (including your own) put Jews in high pedestal, obviously. But Zionism is different.
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: Please tell me how the above discredits an iota of anything I have said. I mean are you not the champion of Arabs your cultured and scientific brothers from a Peninsula full of Palaces, Stone Temple, High Rise Architecture etc called Arabia. Are you not the one who spams countlessly images of dirty black bedouins without any shoes sitting idly with camels in the background that you claim represent the Arabs.
Please explain to me how the above discerdits me and favors your ass kissing and bootlicking of the cultureless Arab nomad?? Or is this your typical flip-flopping Afrocentric Bullshit debating style..??
Jari, I am becoming of the opinion that you also are autistic, in that you seem incapable of understanding anything even a little bit complicated.
I have said many times that Arabs may be the worlds stupidest people, and barbaric too. They seem to have had an inordinate fondness for White pussy, and as Yazdgerd III letter indicates, they practice many barbaric rituals with their women. But is all of that reason enough for me to allow Turks and other Albinos, plus their Mulattoes to steal the Arab identity? Only to a simpleton like you would that make sense.
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Jari is right According to Egyptian author Moustafa Gadalla the nomadic Arab that invaded Egypt were uncivilized and fanatical they they gave a death blow to Egyptian civilization.Egypt was still civilise under Roman rule but the Arab were religious fanatic.
Gadalla write in Ancient Egyptian culture revealed.Invaders by their nature, are nomadic people.Ibn Khaldun himself a proud nomad testifies in his writings to the nature of the nomad and how it is contrary to the nature of civilization.Ibn Khaldoun(1332-1406),in his monumemtal Universal History admits that civilized features/skills/crafts dont come out of thin air.It is achieved in the course of time and generation.
Gadala stateThe invaders( Ptolemies,Romans,Arabs or Europeens) actualy came to profit and to dominate Egypt not to civilize.They are actually the uncivilized who in course adopted some of the civilized aspect of the Egyptians.To add insult to injury, the invaders accredited themselves with the knowledge they stole from the Egyptians.As a result numerous civilized aspects in Egypt were arbitrairely and generously accredited to the invaders.When invaders(Byzantine,Arabs) adopt the cultural aspect of their conquered people(such as Egyptians) the credit cant be reversed to the invaders-especially that in their homeland,these foreign invaders never had such talents.
The nomadic brown and black Arab from the Hejaz who created Islam were not very civilized they just copied Syrian Christianity and the bible.They also copied a lot of thing from Hinduism,The Mosque is a Byzantine Church without Icon. They were mainly traders and nomadic caravan raiders.The sedentary black Arab of Sabea/Hadramaut and Nobata were civilized but they were not involved in the creation of Islam.
Nomadic people it doesnt matter if they are black, white, yellow are never civilised.Civilisation is the creation of sedentary people.The black nomad of Ancient Egypt desert, Nubian desert and the Sahara desert were uncivilized they oftain raided the civilization of A Egypt, Kush, Meroe, Makuria, Mali and Songhai.The Desert nomadic arab maked a living raiding caravan in the desert.
Nomadic people are the best soldier because of their hard uncivilized life.The nomadic Mongol, Hun,Arab and German armies were unstopable and the Mongol and Arabs conquerd vast amount of lands.The Mongol and Arabs didnt create civilization they adopted the civilization of the people they conquered.The German who invaded Western Europe coulnt maintain the Roman civilization that was one of the reason of the dark age.
The Ottoman Turk of Anatolia copied Byzantine civilization and build a great civilization of their own.The Ottoman civilization wasnt a barbaric albino Turk civilization who corrupted nomadic arab Islam.
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and half the time Mike tries to pass off European paintings of black eunuchs who are guarding the doors of Turkish harems as "Arab princes". This is why I have always maintained Mike is stupid.
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Mike is a Funny guy. I wonder if he even reads history? I wonder if he knows about the anti-black racism against African Born Arabs such as Antar before Muhammad was even born? Mike is also predictable, Im sure he will just claim all the racism against Antar is "Da White Man's Lies" lol. You can read the Arabs slander against blacks, the term "Son of a Black Woman" was used against not only Antar but even Bilal Ibn Rabah the House Nigger slave convert to Islam.
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Mike brings together imagination and history to make us feel better about ourselves
The only problem is one lie leads to another and the holes in the boat start bringing in water
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Mike brings together imagination and history to make us feel better about ourselves
The only problem is one lie leads to another and the holes in the boat start bringing in water
No lioness, I simply tell the truth: Blacks often like it, and Albinos like you often hate it. To Blacks it might well be uplifting, whereas as Doxie can attest, to lying Albinos like yourself it is probably deflating. Hence your mock conversation with your comrade in stupidity Jari.
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Jari - I must say, your animus towards hapless Arabs, and Islamists in general, seems a bit extreme. Might it be that an Arab bully beat you up as a boy, or is it that you are a Jew?
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quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeingjewfrightened: Jew apologists. Not hard to snuff you fools out. lol
"The supremacy of the Talmud over the Bible in the Israeli state may also be seen in the case of the black Ethiopian Jews. Ethiopians are very knowledgeable of the Old Testament. However, their religion is so ancient it pre-dates the Scribes' Talmud, of which the Ethiopians have no knowledge. According to the N.Y. Times of Sept. 29, 1992, p.4:
"The problem is that Ethiopian Jewish tradition goes no further than the Bible or Torah; the later Talmud and other commentaries that form the basis of modern traditions never came their way."
Because they are not traffickers in Talmudic tradition, the black Ethiopian Jews are discriminated against and have been forbidden by the Zionists to perform marriages, funerals and other services in the Israeli state."
LOL I apologize for no religious or ethnic group. As I stated, there are various Talmuds and non at least officially should supersede the Torah which is the very basis in Judaism. I don't deny that there are white Jews who have traditions based on racist Talmudic traditions. The same can be said about light-skinned Arabs who have as their tradition racist Hadiths which discriminate against blacks. Exactly what is your point? That all white Jews are racist?? Even your example cites black Jews. Posts: 26238 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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