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quote:
Originally posted by anguishofbeingdumb:

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ Such acts were not committed because of Christianity but because of European greed and supremacy. Sure some proponents used Christianity as an excuse but it really wasn't. Look what Italy did to Ethiopia even though it was a Christian nation. Look at how blacks in the Americas were treated even though they were fellow Christians.

Typical BS. When Muslims do shyt it's Islam, but when Christians do the same its not a reflection of Christianity. Bitch your pretense to objectivity just got exposed. lol
LOL Whose pretense to objectivity is exposed?! [Big Grin]

My post which you quoted says it all. Please prove that the enslavement and oppression of blacks by Europeans had its root cause in Christianity?? Please explain how the oppressive treatment of Native Americans by Euros even after their conversion to Christianity had anything to do with religion?? On the other hand you have Muslim Indians enslaving and killing fellow Indians because they are kuffar. You have black Africans enslaving and killing equally black Africans because they are kuffar. If you don't see it, either you are an Islamic apologist and/or just plain stupid. [Embarrassed]

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Everyone knows that the Christian idea of supremacy (being the "right" religion) influenced Europeans to destroy African culture. It's celebration of violence, of hell fire and Armageddon (their god coming with a sword to kill nonbelievers) influenced them to enslave and plunder. It's all there Mary. Oh yes who could forget and Christian George Bush's "crusade" (one in a long line of such Christian jihads) against Islam. [Roll Eyes]
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Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-:

Really? What do you do besides run around the forum bitching about the Jew. What do you talk about here besides the Jew??

I bet if Afrocurious told you he believed in the Holocaust you'd not be on his dick like you are..lol You're a joke man.

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You have already proven to him that you are quite insane.


LOL [Big Grin]

The irony is that Hitler's 'Final Solution' including the culling of Jews and identification via 'star of David' was actually inspired by and taken from Muslims! How many in here has heard of the Farhud in Baghdad or the Holocaust of the Balkans being engineered by the Khalifa the Grand Mufti of Palestine who was a partner of Adolf Hitler?? Does anyone know that Hitler's book Mein Kampf was a popular book in the Arab world and still is in parts of the Islamic world?? Even the name Adolf and Hitler was adopted by many Arabs both during and after WWII.

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quote:
Originally posted by anguishofbeingdumb:

Everyone knows that the Christian idea of supremacy (being the "right" religion) influenced Europeans to destroy African culture. It's celebration of violence, of hell fire and Armageddon (their god coming with a sword to kill nonbelievers) influenced them to enslave and plunder. It's all there Mary. [Roll Eyes]

Hey, Eva? Can you not read, or are you too dumb from being f*cked in the men's bathroom too many times?? I said in my first post to your dumbass that YES Christianity was a factor but it was NOT the main driving force?? How else do you explain Europeans' conquest of Ethiopia and African Christian communities? How else do you explained the continued oppression of Africans and blacks of the diaspora even though they were Christian??
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YES Christianity was a factor but it was NOT the main driving force??
heheh bitch down to a strawman before the first bell. Mary, who the fuk cares about what **you** mean by "main driving force". Point is both Islam and Christianity are violent cults. This is a fact. Go way you lose again. [Big Grin]
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The irony is that Hitler's 'Final Solution' including the culling of Jews and identification via 'star of David' was actually inspired by and taken from Muslims! How many in here has heard of the Farhud in Baghdad or the Holocaust of the Balkans being engineered by the Khalifa the Grand Mufti of Palestine who was a partner of Adolf Hitler?? Does anyone know that Hitler's book Mein Kampf was a popular book in the Arab world and still is in parts of the Islamic world?? Even the name Adolf and Hitler was adopted by many Arabs both during and after WWII.
There were many partners of Hitler.

Zionism and the Third Reich

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html

[Roll Eyes]

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I said College is a waste of time due to the Debt. For Example, you end up with High Debt. while Job chances and pay remains low or stagnant, thus ususing College to get into the Middle Class is not a sure thing, hence the waste of time.

College can be useful in teaching you skills but the debt. is a problem.

and I said "Eventually" meaning a Bach. is what I will hold until I get my career underway.

Its not my fault to do anything of importance you need a college(Masters) degree.

Also most of my other more immediate goals have nothing to do with furthering my education.

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Well you just seem very conflicted and irrational. I want to better understand you. For example, you said college is a waste of time yet you plan to further your studies.


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I'm just saying if you think something is a waste of time why do it. Sucker for pain? [Roll Eyes]
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Dude Its not even an immediate goal..as in its not something I plan to do for a long time, and yeah lately Ive been reconsidering my career path..As far as Im concerned Im just ready to finish my bach.

So now you, what did you get your studies in?? What does your educational resume look like?

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A master's in psychology and thats all you need to know. [Big Grin]
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quote:
Originally posted by anguishofbeingadumbwhore:

heheh bitch down to a strawman before the first bell. Mary, who the fuk cares about what **you** mean by "main driving force". Point is both Islam and Christianity are violent cults. This is a fact. Go way you lose again. [Big Grin]

LOL Dumb b|tch does will not (cannot) acknowledge that what I said was no strawman but the very point of my argument. A lot of what the Euros did had NOTHING to do with Christianity or Christ himself but their own political/cultural ideology. This is different from Muslims who by and large have no political or cultural ideology based on views of 'race' but rather on dar al Islam vs. dar al harb i.e. House of Islam vs. House of War (Kuffar).

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There were many partners of Hitler.

Zionism and the Third Reich

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html

[Roll Eyes]

ROTFLMAO [Big Grin]

And what does the fact that there were Jewish socialists who were members of the Nazi (Nationalist Socialist) Party have to do with the genocide against Jews?? Who is the one talking about strawmen again?! LOL

You might as well bring up black members of the KKK. In fact didn't someone do exactly that before? LOL [Big Grin]

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^ KKK is a Christian organization. [Eek!]
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A lot of what the Euros did had NOTHING to do with Christianity
Oh, dismissing native peoples culture around the world as heathen thus unworthy of respect and deserving of death (the very essence of colonialism/imperialism) had nothing to do with Christianity. [Roll Eyes]

All Abrahamic faiths are in essence the same. Face it "Djehuti" you are just anti-Islam. You already admitted to being a Zionist so we know where the source of your hatred comes from. [Embarrassed]

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The kkk copied European Catholic orders clothes.In Jordan Maxwell website he show pictures comparing the Hooded Catholic order robe to kkk robes.The USA secret society Pope who cocreated the kkk with a powerful ethnic minority had connection and correspondance with Italian secret society and revolutionary Mazzini were he predicted 3 world wars.

European Christianity was a very violent religion.Roman Emperor Constantine turned Christianity into a violent religion.After Christianity was declared the official religion of the Roman Empire Christian priest and the Roman army genocided thousands of Pagan and destroyed Pagan Temple and libraries.

Pope Nicholas V papal bull authorised the Portuguese and Spanish to destroyed Africa and enslaved African.The Papacy divided the world between Portugal and Spain therefore was responsible for the genocide of the native American.Native American who refused to convert was burned alive by the Priest.Some piest were slave owners and plantation owners.

One of the European crusading army who conquered Jerusalem massacred all the city inhabitants muslim, Jew, Christian.There were war of religion between Catholic and Orthodox Christian between Coptic and Orthodox Christian in Egypt.Christianity would not have stop Catholic Italian for invading and massacring Coptic Ethiopian.

You cant blame European greed, racism and imperialism for colonial crimes and not blame European Christianity. The Papal State Catholic Church was the power behind the European monarchy and the Pope authorised and blessed Euro crusade, Cathar genocide, colonialism and imperialism.The muslim violence and intolerance are probably imitation of the Catholic Church and Eastern Orthodox Church created by Emp Constantine.There are solid theory that the Catholic church or the Syrian Orthodox Church created Islam and that Mohamed(meanig worthy one a title for Jesus) never existed.The story in the Koran are the stories of the first Caliphs(Abd al Malik one of them)under the name/title of Mohammed/worthy one.

Djehuti you can check Acharya S website for a list of Christian massmurders, tortures and inquisitions.Gnostic Christianity of Egypt wasnt violent but when literalise by Constantine it became a weapon of power and wealth until today.

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quote:
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Originally posted by anguishofbeing:
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Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-:
^^^
Zionism/Zionist is the idea that the Jews have historical and Religious right to the Land of Israel.

Jackass Zionism has nothing to do with religion. Do you even know who Herzl was?
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It is no coincidence that wherever Muslim communities gain power or stronghold in a non-Muslim region, violence follows. At least Christianity had a reformation and then enlightenment period.

Wasnt this about the same time that the said Christians enslaved Africans and went on to massacre more during colonialism? You are jackass #2.

LMAO. Angelina loves to talk about Jews. If you're looking for Angelina, just create a thread about Jews and sure nuff, she will rear her ugly head.
Got tired of reading nonspecialists like you pretending to be geneticists. Wannabe. lol
Stop trying to cover up Angelina. No, you're not pre-occupied with Jews for any other reason that that you're phucked in the membrane. Jews is all you talk about. You get all animated talking about Jews. Where does your obsession with Jews stem from, Angelina? Are you a self-hating Jew yourself, you know, a la Hitler?
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quote:
Originally posted by anguishofbeing:
A master's in psychology and thats all you need to know. [Big Grin]

Bwaahahahahhahaha.
Wait, wait wait..
Buwahahahahahahahahahaha...
Wait, did you just say...
Buahahahahahahahahaha..
You were saying that you had a master's in psychology..?
Ah man, this is straight up comedy.

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^ Actually I'm not at all surprised. I know folks who majored in psychology and they are some of the craziest people I have ever known in my life! That's the irony-- many so-called psychologists are nuts. I'm sure process of pursuing his degree must have caused him much pain with most early and most famous psychologists being.. you know *whisper* 'Jews'. [Big Grin]
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Originally posted by anguishofbeingadumbwhore:

KKK is a Christian organization.

And can you explain the Christian doctrine involved in terrorizing blacks??
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Oh, dismissing native peoples culture around the world as heathen thus unworthy of respect and deserving of death (the very essence of colonialism/imperialism) had nothing to do with Christianity. [Roll Eyes]
No idiot. Please explain the Christian doctrine of denigrating and even tormenting other peoples and cultures even if they happen to be Christian as well! [Embarrassed]

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All Abrahamic faiths are in essence the same. Face it "Djehuti" you are just anti-Islam. You already admitted to being a Zionist so we know where the source of your hatred comes from. [Embarrassed]
All Abhrahamic faiths may share a same 'essence' based on common traditions in the Near-East but not all religions are hte same. I am not anti-Islam. I even have Muslim friends. What I am against is Islamic extremism and supremacy or do you not know the difference?? And when did I say I was a Zionist?? Am I Jewish now?? LOL [Big Grin]
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Islam and Christianity are both imperialist religions born of the same Abrahamic stem (inspired by the Jewish fate) intolerant of other people's religions which are viewed as wrong, pagans,idols, etc.

That's not the case with Ancestral Religions in Africa and around the world. They are not proselytizing and they believe every people on earth have their own path to god through their ancestors. They are not intolerant of each people religions. At first, they didn't see anything wrong in christianity and islam because they were just another religion from other people. Another cult. In fact, a great many still do with syncretism widespread in Africa. Little did they know those people wanted to religiously colonize us and eliminate any other religions on earth (including each others -islam vs christinity- of course). If they knew that, they probably would have viewed those imperialistic intolerant religions differently right from the start.

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^ The Jewish religion is not imperialist, because Judaic religion was suppose to dominate the land of Israel only which historically comprised the much of the Levant. Christianity in it's true form is not imperialist either because there is NOTHING in Christian doctrine to impose the Christian faith. Unlike Judaism there is proselytizing but it's not done through conquest. The Christianity by conquest was something that was done by the Roman Catholic Church which was nothing more than the religious form of the Roman Empire which was imperialistic in its heart. But then you have Islam which has the Shariah which DOES have a doctrine of political domination via the dar ul harb doctrine. These are the major differences in the Abrahamic faiths other than the messiah beliefs. Judaism is not proselytizing, Christianity is but not through force, and Islam is proselytizing through force.
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This is interesting.

Discussion in 'Black Spirituality / Religion - General Discussion' started by ShemsiEnTehuti, Sep 18, 2006.

Black Spirituality Religion :The Hebrews were NOT *Black* or even *African*...

I am going to demonstrate how this Biblical "Black Hebrew" nonsense is nothing but distorted history about our Nile Valley ancestors. Therefore, much truth needs to be exposed about our African roots. It is true that most of thewriters of the philosophical texts in the Bible were Kemetic priests (the Biblical Levites); however, that does not mean we should embrace the Bible. For these brothers of ours sided with Asiatic invaders of the Nile Valley, usurped the Kemetic throne and so were expelled from the Black Land for good. This is where their bitter resentment towards Egypt starts, and it is easily picked up from reading the Bible in that it mentions Egypt more than 600 times; half of which are with significant aversion.


The conflict starts with Akhenaten (whom I believe is the Biblical Moses) was a tyrant Pharaoh who tried to force a state religion on Kemet which was probably the first time in history that an aggressive religion (like Hebrewism, Christianity, or Islam) was forcefully imposed on a society. His god was called the Aten, where it transliterates to "Adonai" in Hebrew. This is what Hebrews called Jehovah/Yahweh/YHWH; for it is uncertain why they felt they should not say his real name. Akhenaten built his Aten temples within boundaries of the Amen-Ra temples, hence why Jews, Christians, and Muslims to this day end their prayers with "Amen."


After the country went into near civil war from Akhenaten's tyrannical dictatorship, he was forced to abdicate the throne, flee Egypt, and hide in Sinai with supporting Bedouin tribes, Hebrews(haribu)/Shasu/Midianites, and other nomadic types (which parallels Moses' life). But importantly, his Kemetic support came from the Levites. That's right, the Levites of the Bible were not Hebrews, they were Egyptians designated as the priests over the Israelites (Numbers 1:1-50). This is because after Akhenaten was forced to leave Kemet, he and the Levites then taught the Hebrews everything about their spirituality/religion.

-When a census of all the Israelites was taken in Numbers 1, it explicitly states in Numbers 1:49 that the Levites were not counted among the Israelites, but were designated as priests (1:50).

-Pharaoh Akhenaten's 2 highest officials were Meryre II (High Priest of the Aten) and Panehesy (Chief Servitor of the Aten) at the city of Amarna in Kemet. Is it a coincidence that two of Moses' highest priests were Merari (Egyptian translation of Meryre) in Numbers 3:36 and Phinehas (which is the Egyptian equivalent of Panehesy) in Numbers 25:10-13. Both Meryre II/Merari and Panehesy/Phinehas were Levites (Exodus 6:16-25).

-The Bible makes clear distinctions between the Levites and the Israelites all throughout the Old Testament. One example is Numbers 16 where Korah, the Levite, rebels against Moses and Aaron, along with other Levites. Verse 2 in this chapter makes a clear distinction between the Levites and the Sons of Israel. (Note: it is interesting in verse 1 that one Levite is named "On", which is a Kemetic city where many priests received their training).

Your question now may be, how do I know that the Levites were Egyptians. For starters, Numbers 26:59 tells us that Levi's children were born in Egypt. There was a city named Mallawi in Kemet that translates directly to "Levi City", or "City of the Levites". It is directly across the Nile River from where Pharaoh Akhenaten built his city of Amarna, which is where the high officials Meryre II and Panehesy served.


[map of egypt illustrating Mallawi]
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Interestingly, there are some "Black Jews" all throughout Africa that migrated at some unspecified time centuries ago. I am only going to focus on those in southern Africa known as the Lemba people. The Lemba we know of are the Levites who sided with Akhenaten in Kemet, but were eventually forced to leave given they had forced their religion on the population and caused civil war. These "Black Jews" however, are not decendents of Hebrews, but are descendents of the black Kemetic Levites who migrated to different parts of Africa and southern Asia.

[map of migrations of exiled Levites from Kemet or the "Black Jews"]
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Take note that the Levites also travelled to Ethiopia and crossed over to Arabia where there are "Black Jews" today in Ethiopia and Yemen. There is a town known as "Aden" which is the exact transliteration of Akhenaten's god, the Aten. Even the gulf is called the "Gulf of Aden" where these "Black Jews" travelled. Mere coincidence? I think not.


Take a closer look at the map where these Black Jews migrated and you will see a country that has a name that no one has been able to pinpoint where it came from...that is the country of Malawi. Given the periodic absence of written record during African migrations through the continent, the missing "l" is of no consequence...phonetically, the name means the same thing..."city of the Levites". There are many customs that Africans all across the continent have unwittingly carried with them from Kemet through the migrations caused by Arab Muslim jihads/invasions, but that is another topic. However, one piece of culture worth noting is Pharaoh Akhenaten's worship of the Aten with the "dazzling rays of the Aten disk (sun)" compared to the country of Malawi's national flag.

Here is Akhenaten's popular representation of the Aten...
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And here's a third of them offering gifts to the Aten...
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Now that we have a good look at the Aten, the similarity can easily be seen in the national flag of Malawi where it uses the same imagery of the extended rays of the sun only inverted upon its horizontal axis...
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Considering the migrations of the Levite-Lemba people (and Kemetians in general), the linguistic and historical connections with Kemet, the name of the country Malawi itself, and the similarity of imagery with the rays of the sun, could this really be deemed a mere coincidence? Many have made theories as to where the name "Malawi" or the country's flag came from, but they all concede that it is somewhat of a "mystery". It is not much of a mystery when we only study our African history without involving the racist and divisive ideologies of Europeans and Arabs or their second-hand religions.

The last thing I want to cover is the ethnic composition of the Hebrews through the eyes of our Kemetic ancestors. The Lemba people are indigenous Africans who resemble most likely the Levites of ancient Kemet.

[Southern-African Lemba priest]
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However, the illustration below will show the different types of people who were prisoners of war to the Egyptians in crafted tiles, where the 4th one is what the Egyptians called the "habiru" (from Tell el-Amarna tablets) and Shasu. Only the fool-hearted cannot see that the name "Hebrew" is obviously derived from "habiru".

[ethnic tiles of prisoners-of-war in Kemet]
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These same Habiru and/or Shasu people are shown in the tombs of Amarna as Akhenaten's mercenaries; therefore, this cannot be denied.

In conclusion, the story in the Bible is just a bitter attempt by the followers of Pharaoh Akhenaten (Amenhotep IV) to erase their ties with Kemet after being exiled from the country for forcing a state religion. The Egyptians were the bringers of light to the uncivilized Hebrews, and now after the centuries of religious divisiveness and racism, our African roots have been terribly obscured where we feel the need to embrace the backwards nature of the resulting Semitic/Arabic/Hebrew/Israelite cultures. African people, that fake Biblical history is not yours...to hell with it!!! Come home to Africa...

"Our parents survived the Middle Passage; only the strong got here and then we lost our name, our culture, our religion, and we are still here. So you may have a momentary victory....but you don't know who we are. We are the children of Shaka Zulu, we are the children of Mary Mcleod Bethune, we are the children of Marcus Garvey, we are the children of Martin Luther King. We'll be here. We were first, and we'll be last, we know who we are!"

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Now for some of my views.
I have some disagreements.
One point,i don't think any part of the bible was written by africans or those of african origin but it's clear the bible has african influence and from outside africa.

I DON'T CARE HOW MANY TIMES FOLKS WANT TO SPIN IT.

The bible,islam etc.. are not native african faiths.
Blacks should stick to thier own truly native faiths or just become agnostic or a atheist.
End of story.


Discussion in 'Black Spirituality / Religion - General Discussion' started by ShemsiEnTehuti, Sep 18, 2006.

http://destee.com/index.php?threads/the-hebrews-were-not-black-or-even-african.42213/

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Judaism is only imperialistic toward Jewish people, other ethnic groups are considered gentiles, but both Christianity and Islam are true imperialistic religions. Both believe that they are only and true religion and that people practicing other faith are wrong and need to be converted. Historically they both used forces to expand their religions but that's beside the point.

For ancestral religions (from Kemet to Celtics passing by African religions, Shinto, Druids, Ancient Greek, Ancient Romans, Maya, etc), it's normal for any other people to have their own religions. Each people have their own path to God (knowledge of God) through their ancestors.

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Amun-Ra The Ultimate,what do think Dr Ray Hagins?


Egypt The Source Of The Bible Part 11 Dr Ray Hagins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW9nIt5bfrU

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and

What Shall We Do With Jesus? (CD) - Pastor Ray Hagins: Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6-oBO7aBOA


What Shall We Do With Jesus? (DVD) Part 2: Dr. Ray Hagins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nZKRWVqaZ0

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Amun-Ra The Ultimate,what do think Dr Ray Hagins?


Egypt The Source Of The Bible Part 11 Dr Ray Hagins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW9nIt5bfrU

The old testament is a bit closer to ancestral religions because it is inspired by the most popular religious cults/faith around Israel at the moment it was conceived including ancient indigenous Jewish cults, other cults from the area and maybe some cults from Kemet. But they completely turned it around to mean something else. To exterminate all native Israeli faith to become something else entirely. Fixating it in a book. Then Europeans grabbed the Judaism faith and the "new" Christian cult and made it into something else too (at the end of the Roman empire and turned Europe backward into the horrible middle ages) and Islam made something inspired by Christianity and Judaism.

The real linkage between the old testament and ancestral religions is that the old testament was made for Jewish people who were practicing ancestral religions and created in a way they can transition out of them to follow only this new Judaic cult. So some remnant of ancestral religious thinking of the Jewish people can be found in the old testament. But as I said, it is completely twisted around and made into something else.

The religious thinking in Kemet was not something unique to them. In ancient times and even now there's a lot of similarities between Kemet religions and ancestral Jewish religions, Celtics, Druids, Ancient Greek, Ancient Romans, Shinto, Aztec and Traditional African religions, etc. Personally, I think it only enhance their power and veracity.

If different people from different part of the world have similar seemingly unrelated faith (at least unrelated on this plane), then there's probably something fundamentally true and powerful about it. The greatest ancient civilizations such as Kush, Kemet, Ancient Greek and Ancient Romans were based on them. Renaissance in Europe was inspired by Ancient Greeks and a more scientific/natural world view. Often at odd with the christian churches at the time.

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I found something else.
I have not seen all of this yet but i will later.

Pastor Ray Hagins - Christianity VS Afrikan Consciousness

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQX3-6Nb3MI

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quote:
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I found something else.
I have not seen all of this yet but i will later.

Pastor Ray Hagins - Christianity VS Afrikan Consciousness

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQX3-6Nb3MI

The only thing I think is often lacking about those type of speeches and observations is the fundamental similarities between most major ancestral religions in the world. African religions actually have a lot of similarities with other indigenous religions of the world including Shinto, Celtics, Druids, Ancient Greeks, Romans religions, etc. People who actually have an Ancestral Religions world view actually sees that type of connections. It's not even intellectualism for them, it's just normal than any people (like neighboring families or neighboring ethnic groups in Africa) have their own names for gods, their own deities, their own ancestors they pray to, some different practices and taboo, and knowledge of gods through their ancestors. I could even explain how this worldview is at the source of the so-called syncretism in Africa (they - often illiterate not intellectual people- see christinanity and islam as only another cult, but it's wrong for African to do that because christianity and islam contrary to Ancestral Religions of the world don't view Ancestral religions as a good faith, as good acceptable religions. They view those religions as pagans, idols, infidels, etc. People that needs to be converted. It's a different incompatible worldview).
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Firewall discussion on black spirituality is a great post.Judaisme or Atonisme is the religion of tyranical Pharaoh Akhenaton and his Levite priesthood.The Hebrew or Jew in Palestine were exiled Egyptian.Akhenaton and is followers black and semite were expelled from Egypt after trying unsucesfuly to impose his dictatorial religion on the Egyptian.Close to Akhetaten the new capital city of Akhenaton was the city of the Levite priest name Malawi or Mallevi the city of thye Levite.There is a country call Malawi in Southern Africa. I agree The name of the city of Aden sound like the God Aten.(The name of the country of Oman sound like the God Amon and Yemen sound like Yah men)

According to Sigmund Freud, Ahmed Osman, Moustafa Gadalla the biblical Moses was Akhenaton.M Gadalla in his book the Egyptian origin of Christianity show that the two high priests of Akhenaton Merira II, Panehesy have the same name as the high priest of Moses/Moise(Mo Isis, son of Isis)Merari and Phinehas.

The Hebrew or Jew were in majority black people because they were Egyptian religious exiled.According to echos of the Old Darkland by Charles Finch The ancient writers Josephus,Plutarch, Tacitus, Eusebius, Celsus, Diodorus, Strabo described the Hebrew to be descendent of Ethiopian and Egyptian in the time of the Roman Empire.The same book show most of the name in the bible are variation of Egyptian name.After the destruction of Jerusalem by the Roman the majority of the Jew that took refuged inside Africa were black.

The word Hebrew in the ancient world described an Egyptian stellar priest and the language of that priesthood.People should not confuse the word Ibaru/Habiru (H=The) meaning Hebrew/the hebrew and Hapiru/apiru meaning nomad.The words Iberia for Spain and Hiberia for Ireland derived from Ibaru.

What people call Judaisme was another name for Egyptian and African.Egypt was a multi ethnic country,some of the Ethnic groups religion and culture look like Christianity other ethnic groups religion and culture look like Judaisme.According to Thomas Wanda rjudaisrael.org most of the name of modern African country, city and region can be found in the bible.

I think Roman Emperor Constantine was the creator of religious imperialism when he created an European form of Christianity in the Nicea conference.All the other form of Christianity was banned in the Roman Empire after Nicea.Constantine created his form of Christianity to empowered and united the Roman Empire who was weakening. Roman Emperor Theodosius banned the ancent religion so call pagan in the Roman Empire, close the temples, universities and burned their libraries.The Roman Catholic Church who is a continuity of the Roman Empire by another form genocided Pagan, heretic ,protestant, Jew, Muslim, Indigenous people etc in the name of religion.Like the Roman Empire the Catholic church conquered or colonised many countries by using the European Kings as proxy.The imperial ROMAN universal religion also enslaved million.Akhenaton was the first creator of an imperialist religion but he failed.The white European Jew are an imperialist people who are dominating the world banking and politic but their religion is not imperialist.

Amunra the ultimate most of the imperialist religion like European Constantine Christianity,Islam, Judaisme are corrupted, literalised and dumb down form of Egyptian/African and Hindu ancestral religion.They didnt reinvented the wheel, they plagiarised the ancient ancestral cosmic and spiritual religion and genocided the ancient priesthood and burned the ancient Temples and libraries.The Imperialist religion didnt bring nothing new to the world.There are hundred of books on comparative religion and Astrotheology(cosmic religion) that show the truth.

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Any tribe that attacks another to grab their resources and women are imperialists on the scale they are able to be.

The ancient Egyptians were imperialists. They boasted in many texts and placed on steles of victories over Syria, Nubia, Libya, Mitanni etc
They went into these places and took out natural materials by force.

"Heaven and all the foreign lands whom God has created serve her (Hateshepsut) in totality" (Urk IV 341.15)

Imperialsim and the Empire in New Kingdom Egypt
Barry Kemp

http://books.google.com/books?id=01c6sUSS24oC&pg=PA7&lpg=PA7&d

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world council of churches

Christianity, African Religion and African Medicine
Gordon L. Chavunduka


Early European Christian missionaries tried to destroy African religion and African medicine. Many African traditional religious rites and rituals were regarded as against the Christian faith and morals. It was also believed that African religion promoted the belief in witchcraft and encouraged people to worship their ancestors instead of worshiping God. African medicine was regarded as unscientific and some of its treatment methods were considered anti-Christian. Traditional healers were regarded as heathens because of their participation in African Traditional Religion. Thus, Africans who became Christians were discouraged by the church from taking part in African traditional religious rituals and from consulting traditional healers. This attempt to destroy African religion and medicine has not succeeded. Many African Christians have continued to participate in traditional religious rituals; they have also continued to consult traditional healers. In other words, many African Christians have dual membershipCmembership in the Christian church and membership in African religion.

It is difficult to separate African medicine from African religion. There are two main reasons for this. Firstly, the African general theory of illness is very broad; it includes African theology. In other words, the theory not only attempts to explain illness and disease but also the relations between God and the niverse. The second reason, related to the previous one, is that many traditional healers are also religious leaders and vice versa.

The traditional medical sector has continued to grow despite the attempts by early Christian missionaries and others to suppress it; and it has continued to grow because traditional healers are successful in curing a large number of illnesses. Traditional healers use both scientific and non-scientific or subjective knowledge. Scientific medicines are obtained mainly from plants. Many plant medicines recommended by traditional healers are correct even when judged by modern scientific methods. This empirical knowledge has been developed through trial and error, experimentation and systematic observation over a long period of time. The major sources of non-scientific or subjective knowledge are the various spirits believed to play a part in health. The social and psychological methods of treatment developed from this unscientific base often bring good results.

Participation in traditional religions is increasing. The point that was often made by early Christian leaders that many African religious rites and rituals and many of their cultural practices are against Christian faith and morals is, in fact, not correct. In recent years a number of African scholars have shown that many traditional practices that Christian churches eliminated or tried to eliminate were not, in fact, against Christian faith and morals. African religion does not encourage belief in witchcraft; it merely accepts the fact that witches exist in Africa. Witches are regarded as sinners and it is the duty of religious leaders to talk about witchcraft and to attempt to discourage its practice. African religion does not encourage people to venerate their ancestors instead of worshiping; members of African religion talk to their ancestors but worship God. African religion says, God is for everyone everywhere. God takes very little interest in the day-to-day affairs of individuals. God is not concerned with purely personal affairs but with matters of national and international importance. The ancestral spirits, on the other hand, are concerned with the day-to-day affairs of their descendants. They are the intermediaries between the living and God. People pray to God through their ancestors.

Many Africans who became Christians found it difficult to abandon their religion and medicine completely. Christian conversion was, therefore, shallow; it did not always change the African people's understanding of life and their relationship to their ancestral spirits and God.

The way forward for the Christian church is to examine carefully African religion and medicine and other cultural aspects, with a view to identifying clearly those practices that are not against Christian faith and morals and incorporate them into modern medicine and Christian worship; if possible, the should also try to find a way out of what are considered non-Christian rites and other cultural practices. A few Christian churches are already doing this.

There is a need for dialogue between the leaders of Christian churches and the leaders of African religion and medicine. Unplanned interaction might continue to create new problems, misunderstandings and conflict. The need is for sound and genuine dialogue, involving negotiations whenever necessary.

Prof. Gordon L. Chavunduka is president of the Zimbabwe National Traditional Healers' Association.


http://wcc-coe.org/wcc/what/interreligious/cd33-02.html

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Is Islam An African Religion? The Dr Wesley Muhammad-Dr Ray Hagins Debate


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZCEaaIvy5A

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Dr Ray Hagins Vs Dr Wesley Muhammad, Harlem, USA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awqhG_VyL8o

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Ray hagins didn't debate. he got scared and went home
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LOL @ the idea of two Pulpit pimps with an Afrocentric spin trying to debate which of their cults is better for Africans.

I notice one thing, Westly Muhammad does'nt live his black ass over in Mauritania or Yemen etc. All these Afrocentrics live in the west despite their lamenting on "da eeee-bil white man" ...lmao Go to Mecca and preach the Pedo-Desert Pirate founder of his cult was black, see how fast he gets his head cut off.

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Judaism is not imperialistic because it has no doctrine of proselytizing let alone dominating other regions or peoples. The only place Judaism is supposed to be 'supreme' is in the Judaic heartland i.e. Israel. Christianity has a doctrine of proselytizing but only through peaceful means and not by force which is something the Roman Church is guilty of. Islam on the other hand has the doctrine of jihad to spread the faith and the actual Khalifa (empire).
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Here some someone who challenges some of RAY HAGINS FACTS and KWESI.

Zeitgeist Religion - Ray Hagins, Ashra Kwesi LIES EXPOSED

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiARf13vltU

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The Almoravids and The Meaning of Jihad

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by Ronald Messier

Specialties: Historian, Archaeologist
Ronald Messier is professor emeritus at Middle Tennessee State University and former adjunct professor and senior lecturer at Vanderbilt University, where he taught Islamic history and historical archaeology.


Originally West African, Berber nomads, the Almoravids emerged from what is today Mauritania to rule Morocco, western Algeria, and Muslim Spain. Over the course of the century-long lifespan of the Almoravid dynasty, the concept of jihad evolved through four distinct phases: a struggle for righteousness, a war against pagans in the Sahara to impose their own sense of righteousness, war against "bad" Muslims in Sijilmasa and the rest of the Maghrib, and finally, war against Christian infidels—the Christian kings of Iberia.

The Almoravids and the Meanings of Jihad takes readers through a clear chronology of the dynasty from its birth through its dramatic rise to power, then its decline and eventual collapse. Several important themes in North African history are explored throughout the book, including the dynastic theory of noted Arab historian Ibn Khaldun, the unique relationship of rural and urban lifestyles, the interactions of distinct Berber and Arab identities, and the influence of tribal solidarity and Islam in forming the social fabric of medieval North African society.
This story details the eleventh century rise of camel-borne Muslim warriors in the western Sahara desert. The author claimed that the Almoravids (Berber fundamentalist Muslims) were invited by the Muslim kings of Andalusia to help to defeat invading `reconquista' Christian forces; they liked what they saw, and overextended their welcome by staying. The author noted that the Almoravids saw their military support as an Islamic jihad in protecting Muslim gains over the Spanish Christians

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Ray Hagins: Noah's ark (Idiotic concepts in Religion)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5K0T2XD8hs

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^ It is an established FACT that the legend of 'Noah's Ark' is based on older Babylonian and Sumerian legends. Even many Jewish Rabbis admit that certain Biblical/Torah legends are based on older mythologies.
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Here some someone who challenges some of RAY HAGINS FACTS and KWESI.

Zeitgeist Religion - Ray Hagins, Ashra Kwesi LIES EXPOSED

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiARf13vltU

It's also a fact that the concept of a god who died and was resurrected and who offers resurrection or new life to others was also a common mythological motif in many religions prior to Christianity.
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Any tribe that attacks another to grab their resources and women are imperialists on the scale they are able to be.
Such attacks into West Asia were always retaliatory. Cheikh Anta Diop elaborates on this point in "African Origin of Civilization" in his reference to Pharaoh Amenhotep III--who in retaliation to West Asian attacks pushed far into West Asia in retaliation.
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There is a need for dialogue between the leaders of Christian churches and the leaders of African religion and medicine. Unplanned interaction might continue to create new problems, misunderstandings and conflict. The need is for sound and genuine dialogue, involving negotiations whenever necessary.
The problem with the early religions is that there were not written down. Whether in Europe proper, the Americas, Australia, and New Zealand.

In Africa there was/is the long-standing religions of Ancient Egypt and Ancient Nubia in civilisations that lasted at least 3,000 years. Their religions were written down and are quite complex and very interesting. It is surprising that Africa has not sought to be more authentic in reviving these long standing metaphysical systems. Instead we have the confounded mimicking of 4th hand cults that are the European versions of Christianity and the Arabs' fanciful and plagiarised versions of Judaism, Old Testament Biblical lore, and other West Asian folk beliefs.

India survived the Islamic onslaught because it's Hinduism was written down and long predated upstart and crude Islam. China with its old wisdom philosophies and Buddhism just couldn't be moved. Places like Indonesia which were weak intellectually fell for the ramblings in the Quran and today Indonesia is a almost fanatical in its posturings over that imported cult.

The truth is that we no longer live in a world of religion. Science, technology, secularism, and practical human ethics based on "absolute human rights" dominate in those countries deemed successful in empathic economics and politics. See the recent Human Development Index put out by the UNDP. It can be easily accessed online.

The top nations in welfare economics and high standard living are all in Europe or North America(the U.S., when adjusted for income disparity was 23rd in 2011 and 16th in 2012). But the key point is that such countries just don't take Christianity seriously. Sunday is for strolling in the parks or sports. They are not into praying at all. And Christmas is just a big capitalist event that has reverted to its Pagan origins of gift-giving and reveling.

Same for Japan and China--2 big economic powers.

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Yes, writing down religion can be very important, but it also negates the constant communication we can have with the living dead ancestors, that is we can have with the after-life and thus people closer to God and the other plane. Yes, African religious people must recite by memory ancient knowledge but also some modification are brought into it related to our level of spiritual development (as a society). Ancestral religions are not 100% fixed,let's say they are 99% fixed. For example, at one time, they were no known verse related to iron/metal working, so any "traditional" verse/knowledge about it while attributed to some ancient deity is a novelty. It's important that our religions does not just become some old relics books written down thousands years ago, not related to current realities and level of spiritual development of our societies. Sure 99% of ancient knowledge may still be valid today, but humans are always evolving so our religious knowledge (which we may include in a book, why only rely on memory?). At least, that's my opinion about it is based on other people's opinions and personal academic analysis.

Africans, as well as other people, must take care of not looking at their own ancestral religions through western/abrahamic worldview.

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But my point is that we now live in a world of science and technology. The poorest people are heavy into religion and are always abusing their populaces and fomenting conflict.

The wealthiest, and most welfare-oriented countries are not into religion at all. That's my point.

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Amun-Ra The Ultimate - It seems to me that the first order of business would be to demonstrate how any of that has ever materially benefited a society. Oh sure it gives people ways of explaining everything that frightens them, but does it ever help them to progress? It would seem to me that Asian religions are far better at sustaining populations that African religions - excluding Egyptian which is the same as Christianity.
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@Mike111 Suffice to say I disagree with everything you said. But I don't have to disprove something you haven't proven yourself. Personally, I think it's important to have knowledge of our ancestral religions and languages, while being open to the world, and build on them as our foundation. Integrating different knowledge from around the world into our own society/culture with our own religions and languages as our foundation.

This is what any people around the world, including Asians and Europeans, do. Ancient Greek acquired some mathematical knowledge from Ancient Egypt, Europe acquired writings from outside too, while Asians acquired some modern scientific knowledge from Europe. Nobody has to give up their own religions, culture or languages for it. They built on them as their core foundation. Integrating foreign knowledge into their own culture. Integrating foreign knowledge into our own culture.

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Religion is a great institution. religion is timeless. Religion is neutral, Religion in the hand of a good people like the Ancient Egyptian was used to united the different tribes of Egypt, it was used for the law and order call Maat,it was used to educated the elite and it was used to builded a 5000 years old civilization.Religion in the hand of bad people like the Christian Roman/Byzantine was used to created a tyranical governement, it was used to destroyed other religion and forced people to convert, it was used to turned people into ignorant and superstitious people, it was used for conquest of foreign land, it was used in the genocided, murdered and raped of million.

The reason the Western world doesnt take Christianity seriously is because the European Churches are lying to them and are hypocrit.The literalisation of the bible lie did work before the invention of the E media and cheap book.Today we are living in the information age were every curious person can use the internet and buy a book and discover the Astrotheologic and ancient world(so call pagan) origin of Imperialist religion.If the Euro religion told the truth and presente their religion as allegorical, spiritual, cosmological, moral and ritualistic Westerner will care more about it.According to Acharya S Annunaki article The Sumerian told the world their Gods were the planets and their stories were myths.

The believe in God, a Spirit, an Ancester or other invisible higher power is the most powerful force on earth.It is more powerful then money, politic, army, gun, love etc. Karl Marx stated religion is the opium of the people, I think the believe in God is more powerful then drugs because ancient religious martyr choosed to be burned alived and be eated by lion instead of converting.The believe in God or believe in spirits help the believers deal with the evil, devil, satan and problem of society and life.

Science, technology, secularisme, rationalisme,philosophy marxisme, materialisme, money, shopping cant replace the belief in Neter, Spirit and God .Some of them are tools that you use in your life other are material vanity that you will be bored of.The use of illegal drugs and prescription drugs are high in Western countries for a reason.technologicaly advance country like Japan, China, Korea and Taiwan are very Spiritual and religious.

I love my KushiteEgyptian ancester and I love their Spiritual, Cosmic and Maatic religion.

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Meena,

You are wrong about the religion in highly advanced technological nations. I know people who have studied in Taiwan for their post-graduate degree and I was told that the Taiwanese are not into any public religion at all. They are tops in computer technology and there is very little social as you find in poor third world nations. The same for Japan and China.

In those countries there is a palpable respect for parents--in theory--but apart from shrines at some homes those Asian nations leave religion to Buddhist monks, etc.

There is a Christian community in South Korea but that has little causal effect on their prowess in electronics and ship building. The Koreans are number 1 in ship-building in the world. Apart from the U.S.-manufactured conflict with North Korea there is little conflict in South Korea.

If what you are saying is true let me ask a simple question. Where is your cell phone manufactured? Where is your computer manufactured? Where is your television manufactured?

Your point about drugs doesn't hold. The U.S. is on the surface a religious nation but the drug intake is very high[no pun intended] compared to secular and very welfare-oriented nations like Sweden and Finland. O.K, Kenyans and Zambians are religious but they are heavy into alcohol. So there is no connection between drug-taking[alcohol is a drug] and secularism.

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Here is a interesting post about what
John Henrik Clarke said about Islam vs Christianity.

He seems to think Christianity is worse,and i think i know why,and he may have a point.

Anyway he believe both are bad for africans anyway.

This quote was from a thread talking about religion/he is replying to a person


A black guy • a month ago


I'm trying to find where you quoted John Henrik Clarke... Don't you
know that John Henrik Clarke says that Christianity is the White man's
religion? He is tons harder on Christianity than on Islam. He said

that if you held a gun to his head and forced him to choose between
Islam and Christianity, he would choose Islam every time....

And the way you talk about Islam is a huge misrepresentation of their
history. Islam improved systems and civilizations. For example,
Al-Andalus was conquered by Muslim Moors, and it became one of the
most peaceful and advanced countries in the world. The people were
allowed to practice any religion they wanted. This is just one
example, however..
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Oh by the way,Christianity,Islam and Judaism are white created religions and are hebrew centric and arab centric,and no amount of spin is going to change those facts.

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Jesus
Language, race and appearance
Jesus grew up in Galilee and much of his ministry took place
there. The languages spoken in Galilee and Judea during the 1st
century AD/CE include the Semitic Aramaic and Hebrew languages as well
as Greek, with Aramaic being the predominant language. Most
scholars agree that during the early part of 1st century AD/CE Aramaic
was the mother tongue of virtually all women in Galilee and
Judae. Most scholars support the theory that Jesus spoke Aramaic
and that he may have also spoken Hebrew and Greek.
James D. G. Dunn states that there is "substantial consensus" that
Jesus gave most of his teachings in Aramaic.
In a review of the state of modern scholarship, Amy-Jill Levine writes
that the entire category of ethnicity is fraught with difficulty.
Beyond recognizing that "Jesus was Jewish", rarely does the
scholarship address what being “Jewish” means. In the New
Testament, written in Koine Greek, Jesus was referred to as an
Ioudaios on three occasions, although he did not refer to himself as
such. These three occasions are by the Biblical Magi in Matthew 2
who referred to Jesus as "basileus ton ioudaion"; by the Samaritan
woman at the well in John 4 when Jesus was travelling out of Judea;
and by the Romans in all four gospels during the Passion who also
used the phrase "basileus ton ioudaion". According to Amy-Jill
Levine, in light of the Holocaust, the Jewishness of Jesus
increasingly has been highlighted.
The New Testament includes no description of the physical appearance
of Jesus before his death and its narrative is generally indifferent
to racial appearances and does not refer to the features of the people
it discusses. The synoptic gospels include the account
of the Transfiguration of Jesus during which he was glorified with
"his face shining as the sun" but do not provide details of his
everyday appearance. The Book of Revelation describes the
features of a glorified Jesus in a vision (1:13–16), but the vision
refers to Jesus in heavenly form, after his death and
resurrection.

By the 19th century theories that Jesus was of Aryan descent, in
particular European, were developed and later appealed to those who
wanted nothing Jewish about Jesus, e.g. Nazi theologians.
These theories usually also include the reasoning that Jesus was Aryan
because Galilee was an Aryan region, but have not gained scholarly
acceptance. By the 20th century, theories had also been
proposed that Jesus was of black African descent, e.g. based on the
argument that Mary his mother was a descendant of black Jews.

Depictions
Despite the lack of biblical references or historical records, for two
millennia a wide range of depictions of Jesus have appeared, often
influenced by cultural settings, political circumstances and
theological contexts. As in other Christian art, the
earliest depictions date to the late 2nd or early 3rd century, and
survivors are primarily found in the Catacombs of Rome.
The Byzantine Iconoclasm acted as a barrier to developments in the
East, but by the 9th century art was permitted again. The
Transfiguration of Jesus was a major theme in the East and every
Eastern Orthodox monk who had trained in icon painting had to prove
his craft by painting an icon of the Transfiguration. The
Renaissance brought forth a number of artists who focused on the
depictions of Jesus and after Giotto, Fra Angelico and others
systematically developed uncluttered images. The Protestant
Reformation brought a revival of aniconism in Christianity, though
total prohibition was atypical, and Protestant objections to images
have tended to reduce since the 16th century, and although large
images are generally avoided, few Protestants now object to book
illustrations depicting Jesus. On the other hand, the use of
depictions of Jesus is advocated by the leaders of denominations such
as Anglicans and Catholics and is a key element of the
doxology of the Eastern Orthodox tradition.

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Historical views
Existence
The Christian gospels were written primarily as theological documents
rather than historical chronicles. However, the
question of the existence of Jesus as a historical figure should be
distinguished from discussions about the historicity of specific
episodes in the gospels, the chronology they present, or theological
issues regarding his divinity. A number of historical
non-Christian documents, such as Jewish and Greco-Roman sources, have
been used in historical analyses of the existence of Jesus.

Virtually all scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed and
regard events such as his baptism and his crucifixion as
historical. Robert E. Van Voorst states that the idea
of the non-historicity of the existence of Jesus has always been
controversial, and has consistently failed to convince scholars of
many disciplines, and that classical historians, as well as biblical
scholars now regard it as effectively refuted. Referring to the
theories of non-existence of Jesus, Richard A. Burridge states: "I
have to say that I do not know any respectable critical scholar who
says that any more."

Separate non-Christian sources used to establish the historical
existence of Jesus include the works of 1st century Roman historians
Josephus and Tacitus. Josephus scholar Louis H. Feldman has
stated that "few have doubted the genuineness" of Josephus' reference
to Jesus in Antiquities 20, 9, 1 and it is only disputed by a small
number of scholars. Bart D. Ehrman states that the existence
of Jesus and his crucifixion by the Romans is attested to by a wide
range of sources, including Josephus and Tacitus.

The historical existence of Jesus as a person is a separate issue from
any religious discussions about his divinity, or the theological
issues relating to his nature as man or God. Leading scientific
atheist Richard Dawkins specifically separates the question of the
existence of Jesus from the attribution of supernatural powers to him,
or the accuracy of the Christian gospels. Dawkins does not deny
the existence of Jesus, although he dismisses the reliability of the
gospel accounts. This position is also held by leading critic G.
A. Wells, who used to argue that Jesus never existed, but has since
changed his views and no longer rejects it.

In antiquity, the existence of Jesus was never denied by those who
opposed Christianity and neither pagans nor Jews questioned his
existence. Although in Dialogue with Trypho, the second
century Christian writer Justin Martyr wrote of a discussion about
"Christ" with Trypho, most scholars agree that Trypho is a fictional
character invented by Justin for his literary apologetic
goals. While theological differences existed among
early Christians regarding the nature of Jesus (e.g. monophysitism,
miaphysitism, Docetism, Nestorianism, etc.) these were debates in
Christian theology, not about the historical existence of
Jesus. The Christ myth theory appeared in the 18th and 19th
centuries, and was debated during the 20th century. Supporters of
the Christ myth theory point to the lack of any known written
references to Jesus during his lifetime and the relative scarcity of
non-Christian references to him in the 1st century, and dispute the
veracity of the existing accounts of him.

Since the 20th century scholars such as G. A. Wells, Robert M. Price
and Thomas Brodie have presented various (and at times differing)
arguments to support the Christ myth theory; the most thorough
analysis being by G. A. Wells. But Wells' book Did
Jesus Exist? was criticized by James D.G. Dunn in his book The
Evidence for Jesus. Wells then changed his stance on issue and
accepted that the Q source refers to "a preacher who existed", but
still maintains that the New Testament accounts of the preacher's life
are mostly fiction.Robert Van Voorst and
separately Michael Grant state that biblical scholars and classical
historians now regard theories of non-existence of Jesus as
effectively refuted.

Ancient sources and archeology

Professor Bart Ehrman states that "Jesus almost certainly did exist",
and the arguments from ignorance that there is no physical or
archeological evidence of Jesus nor any writings from him are "not
very good arguments, even though they sound good, as there is no such
evidence of "nearly anyone who lived in the first century".
Professor Teresa Okure states that in a global cultural context the
existence of historical figures (e.g. Plato or Socrates) are
established by the analysis of later references to them rather than by
contemporary relics and remnants. Ehrman states that the view
that Jesus had an immense impact on the society of his day, and hence
one might have expected contemporary accounts of his deeds is not even
close to correct and although Jesus had a large impact on future
generations, his impact on the society of his time was "practically
nil".

In responding to G. A. Wells' previous arguments from silence that the
lack of the contemporary references implies that Jesus did not exist
(Wells no longer adheres to the non-existence hypothesis), Robert
Van Voorst stated that such arguments are "specially perilous" as
every good student of history knows.[286] An example of such argument
is that although Philo criticized the brutality of Pontius Pilate in
Embassy to Gaius (c. 40 AD), he did not name Jesus as an example of
Pilate's cruelty. He adds that a possible explanation is that
Philo never mentions Christians at all, so he had no need to mention
their founder, given that Jewish literature (like early Roman
references) only saw Jesus through Christianity and did not treat him
independently. According to Eusebius (Hist Eccl II.17) Philo may
have become familiar with Christian practices on a subsequent visit to
Rome during the reign of Claudius (41 to 54 AD/CE). In a
broad context, arguments from silence fail unless a fact is known to
the author and is important enough and relevant enough to be mentioned
in the context of a document.

Van Voorst states that the historical interpretation of events was not
an "instant analysis" as in modern society but involved time lags and
Roman sources came to consider Jesus only when the growth of
Christianity came to be seen as a threat to Rome, and given that they
viewed Christianity as a "superstition" they had little interest in
its origins. Timothy Barnes states that at the turn of the first
century, there was only a low level of interest in and awareness of
Christians within the Roman Empire, resulting in the lack of any
discernible mention of them by Roman authors such as Martial and
Juvenal. Louis Feldman states that one reason first century
historian Josephus refers to Jesus in the Antiquities of the Jews
(written c. 93 AD) but not in the Jewish Wars (written c. 75 AD) may
be that in the twenty-year gap between the two works the growth of
Christianity had made it a more important topic.

In the broad historical context, a number of scholars caution against
the use of arguments from ignorance and consider them generally
inconclusive or fallacious, given their reliance on "negative
evidence". Douglas Walton states that arguments from
ignorance can only lead to sound conclusions in cases where we can
assume that our "knowledge-base is complete". Despite the lack of
specific archaeological remnants directly attributed to Jesus, the
21st century has witnessed an increase in scholarly interest in the
integrated use of archaeology as an additional research component in
arriving at a better understanding of the historical background of
Jesus by illuminating the socio-economic and political background of
his age. James Charlesworth states that few modern
scholars now want to overlook the archaeological discoveries that
clarify the nature of life in Galilee and Judea during the time of
Jesus. Jonathan Reed states that chief contribution of
archaeology to the study of the historical Jesus is the reconstruction
of his social world.

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quote:
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Oh by the way,Christianity,Islam and Judaism are white created religions and are hebrew centric and arab centric,and no amount of spin is going to change those facts.

Were you making a joke?
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As I said the history of Islam is about some Johnny-come-lately[Islam followed Judaism and Christianity in history]desert thug faking to be a messenger from God[LOL. The Rev. Ike would have given him some stiff competition] and starting a cult movement that attracted fanatics. They just started a movement that rampaged across North Africa defiling more-- places like Egypt by their presence

Islam entered places like Persia by force and Egypt also by killings and destruction. The Persians had a strong culture so they managed to save their language and avoided Arabisation on that score.

Whatever cultural goods Islam brings to the world was at the behest of places that had impressive civilisations in the past: Egypt, Persia, Mesopotamia(Iraq), Turkey, etc.

Islam has defiled Africa with its univited presence--just brainwashing and dumbing down a whole lot of naive Africans. Every year they run around looking for hard-earened money to go and genuflect before genetic degenerates in Arabia. Very dumb!.

Christianity ran in as fellow-traveler of European colonalism. Equally useless as Islam but just softer. No Christianised jackass in Africa will be running around BSing about "Christian law" or "Christian law courts". And the Christianised fools will not be itching to chop off hands and heads. And they are not into suicide bombings too as those jackass fake Arabs of Boko Haram. Go and sell suya, it's better.

If any African wants religion just go and take what the AEs left behind. It's more authentic, original, more peaceful, more interesting, and more complex. The Copts of Egypt and Ethiopia have a version of it but it has been bastardised by Christianity.

The dumb arrogance of Arabs in Egpt is despicable--fighting, discriminating against Copts who were there long before the degenerates barged in.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Firewall:
Oh by the way,Christianity,Islam and Judaism are white created religions and are hebrew centric and arab centric,and no amount of spin is going to change those facts.

Were you making a joke?
quote:
Originally posted by Firewall:
No.

What an ignoramus!
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