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quote:
Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-:
The Phillipines are no where near Mongolia. So why use "Mongol" for people who probably never seen a Mongol let alone consider themselves one. Malaysia is closer to the Phillipines, Malay can be used similar to Nilotic.

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
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Originally posted by Mike111:

Been here since 2007 and still don't know that the people we call Filipinos ARE Asians (Mongols), and are DIFFERENT from Negritos.

And you've been here since 2005 and you don't know that 'Asian' is anyone living in the continent and associated islands of Asia which includes aboriginal groups like 'Negritos'. Racial terms like 'Mongol' and 'Negrito' are invalid anyway. I prefer the term 'Malay' to describe the stereotypical Filipino. And by 'Malay' I don't mean it in the racial sense Westerners used it but in the cultural or ethnic sense that stereotypical or 'Mongol' (I hate that term) Asians of the Philippines, Taiwan, Indonesia, and Malaysia all belong to the same cultural group or heritage.
You just switched the name (Malay/Mongol) but kept the same concept: a term to designate a specific ethnic/racial stereotypical looking type (i.e. not negrito). At least Mike is honest, you on the other hand are simply playing language games.

I agree, that would make geographic sense. But Mary was addressing the racial usage of the term by westerners and claimed that she was somehow different by using another term which of course is not true since she just switched terms but kept the concept, i.e. stereotypical Asians who are not negritos.
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quote:
Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-:
The Phillipines are no where near Mongolia. So why use "Mongol" for people who probably never seen a Mongol let alone consider themselves one. Malaysia is closer to the Phillipines, Malay can be used similar to Nilotic.

My initial response to this was another tirade against your kind - dope doing slackers. But upon second thought, I realized that if insult hasn't caused you to change your ways after all these years, then it's not likely to work now.

So patiently:

Mongol does NOT relate to the country of Mongolia, it relates to one of the three major racial categories of humans; i.e. Black, White (Albino), and Mongol (previously Yellow).

And Filipinos do indeed know that they are Mongol.


What Djehuti (and Mongols in general) are trying to do, is the same thing as the Amazigh in North Africa, and the Turk mulattoes in the middle-east and Arabia are trying to do. That is, to confuse the issue so that it appears that they are original people.

To this end, Mongols have demanded that they be called "Asians". But as some of us know, Black Australians, Paupans, Negritos, and Austronesians were there long before the Mongols. So if Mongols are "Asian" then what are the Black original inhabitants?

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:
Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-:
The Phillipines are no where near Mongolia. So why use "Mongol" for people who probably never seen a Mongol let alone consider themselves one. Malaysia is closer to the Phillipines, Malay can be used similar to Nilotic.

My initial response to this was another tirade against your kind - dope doing slackers. But upon second thought, I realized that if insult hasn't caused you to change your ways after all these years, then it's not likely to work now.

So patiently:

Mongol does NOT relate to the country of Mongolia, it relates to one of the three major racial categories of humans; i.e. Black, White (Albino), and Mongol (previously Yellow).

And Filipinos do indeed know that they are Mongol.


What Djehuti (and Mongols in general) are trying to do, is the same thing as the Amazigh in North Africa, and the Turk mulattoes in the middle-east and Arabia are trying to do. That is, to confuse the issue so that it appears that they are original people.

To this end, Mongols have demanded that they be called "Asians". But as some of us know, Black Australians, Paupans, Negritos, and Austronesians were there long before the Mongols. So if Mongols are "Asian" then what are the Black original inhabitants?

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Mike you are a f-king joke. Do you even know what the "OID" in MONGOL-OID the Racial category means dummy.

You keep bringing up Crack, is this a freudian slip? Now I understand your dazzling stupidity...Your feeble brain is cooked from the Crack-Cocain.

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Originally posted by Mike111:

Mongol does NOT relate to the country of Mongolia,


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^Lioness - That barely scratches the surface.
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quote:
Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-:
Mike you are a f-king joke. Do you even know what the "OID" in MONGOL-OID the Racial category means dummy.

You keep bringing up Crack, is this a freudian slip? Now I understand your dazzling stupidity...Your feeble brain is cooked from the Crack-Cocain.

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Mongol does NOT relate to the country of Mongolia,


Jari - "OID" means something resembling a (specified) object or thing.

So a Mongoloid resembles a Mongol:

Okay, so what's your point?

Are you trying to say that Black Asians resemble Mongols - maybe?

I don't get it, so lets try this. Wait till you sober up, then try explaining what you mean.

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Mike talking to you is like talking to a dumb animal which is why I avoid it as much as possible.

Let me make it easy for you..

Mongol-oid=Some one who resembles a Mongol, a Mongol is an inhabitant of Mongolia. Mongol=Inhabitant of Mongolia. Thus the racial Category Mongoloid is applied to anyone who resembles a Mongolian Native.

So how can your stupid ass say Mongol has nothing to do with Mongolia...?

Are you this fucking dumb, I mean really.

Just stick to Lioness, she makes a fool out of your clown ass daily..lol

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Here let me make it easy for you...

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The term "Mongoloid" comes from the Mongol people who caused great terror throughout Eurasia during the Mongol Empire invasions, and the new appearance of the Mongols and paranoia was used throughout the Western world to create a new racial classification.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloid

BTW I thought whitey was a lying albino, why you using his terms..lmao. Lay off the Crack.

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etymology

Mongol
1738 (n.); 1763 (adj.), native name, said to be from mong "brave."

Mongolian
1738 (adj.); 1846 (n.), from Mongol + -ian. As a classification for "the Asiatic race," it is from 1868.

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wiki claims this:

The earliest systematic use of the term Mongoloid was by Blumenbach in De generis humani varietate nativa (On the Natural Variety of Mankind, University of Göttingen, first published in 1775, re-issued with alteration of the title-page in 1776). Blumenbach included East and South East Asians, but not Native Americans or Malays, who were each assigned separate categories.

^^^ Not sure if this is correct


more:

The concept of a Malay race was originally proposed by the German scientist Johann Friedrich Blumenbach (1752–1840), and classified as the brown race.[1] Since Blumenbach, many anthropologists have rejected his theory of five races, citing the enormous complexity of classifying races. The concept of a "Malay race" differs with that of the ethnic Malays centered around Malaysian Malay Peninsula and parts of the Indonesian island of Sumatra.

The term Malay race was commonly used in the late 19th century and early 20th century to describe the Austronesian people.
By 1795, Blumenbach added another race called 'Malay' which he considered to be a subcategory of both the Ethiopian and Mongoloid races. The Malay race were those of a "brown color, from olive and a clear mahogany to the darkest clove or chestnut brown." Blumenbach expanded the term "Malay" to include the native inhabitants of the Marianas, the Philippines, the Malukus, Sundas, Indochina, as well as Pacific Islands such as Tahitians. He considered a Tahitian skull he had received to be the missing link; showing the transition between the "primary" race, the Caucasians, and the "degenerate" race, the Negroids.
Blumenbach and other monogenists such as Georges-Louis Leclerc, Comte de Buffon were believers in the "degeneration theory" of racial origins. Blumenbach claimed that Adam and Eve were Caucasian (Georgian) and that other races came about by degeneration from environmental factors such as the sun and poor dieting—for instance, he claimed Negroid pigmentation arose because of the result of the heat of the tropical sun, while the cold wind caused the tawny colour of the Eskimos, and the Chinese were fair skinned compared to the other Asian stocks because they kept mostly in towns protected from environmental factors. He believed that the degeneration could be reversed if proper environmental control was taken and that all contemporary forms of man could revert to the original Caucasian race.[12]

Blumenbach did not consider his "degeneration theory" as racist and sharply criticized Christoph Meiners, an early practitioner of scientific racialism as well as Samuel Thomas von Sömmerring who concluded from autopsies that Africans were an inferior race.[13]

He also wrote three essays claiming non-white peoples are capable of excelling in arts and sciences in reaction against racialists of his time who believed they couldn't.[14]

The term "Mongoloid" comes from the Mongol people who caused great terror throughout Eurasia during the Mongol Empire invasions, and the new appearance of the Mongols and paranoia was used throughout the Western world to create a new racial classification. The words "Mongol", "Mongolian", "Mongoloid" were extensively used throughout European history since the 13th century usually in a negative manner. However in the modern sense, "Mongol" refers to the Mongol ethnic group and "Mongolian" refers to something related with the country of Mongolia not necessarily in terms of ethnicity. The first use of the term Mongolian race was by Christoph Meiners in a "binary racial scheme". His "two races" were labeled "Tartar-Caucasians", which comprised Celtic and Slavic groups, and "Mongolians".[8]

Johann Blumenbach said he borrowed the term Mongolian from Christoph Meiners to describe the race he designated "second, [which] includes that part of Asia beyond the Ganges and below the river Amoor [Amur], which looks toward the south, together with the islands and the greater part of these countries which is now called Australian".[9]

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In Al Jazeera news this month, 300 armed Philipinos invaded part of the territory of Malaysia located in the Indonesian Island of Kalimantan because it was part of their precolonial kingdom seized by the British and given to the Malaysian after their independance.

What was the original name of the Philipine before it was renamed by the European after King Philipe I Habsburgh of Spain ? What was the religion of precolonial Philipine before being converted to Roman Catholicism?.What was the native language of the Philipine before adopting the Spanish and English language ?.

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quote:
Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-:
BTW I thought whitey was a lying albino, why you using his terms..lmao. Lay off the Crack.

I personally don't care what they call themselves - as long as they know their place.

Hopefully you read the article that you posted: therefore you should know that actual Mongols at about 3 million people, represent a tiny percent of the people referred to as Mongols, or if you prefer Mongoloids. Example the Han Chinese are about 1,2 BILLION! The Japanese are about 100 million. That makes me wonder what the word actually means and where it came from.

Anyway, even to your drug damaged brain it must be obvious that the other terms are impractical. i.e. Yellow people is insulting, Chinese leaves half of the worlds Mongol types out, Asian combines the Mongol types with Blacks, which is incorrect. Okay - NOW do you get it???

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:


Mongol does NOT relate to the country of Mongolia, it relates to one of the three major racial categories of humans; i.e. Black, White (Albino), and Mongol (previously Yellow).

And Filipinos do indeed know that they are Mongol.



Mike its sounds like you susbscribe to the European concept of three major races

As an example, I will illustrate just one of these categories

the black race:

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quote:
Originally posted by mena7:
In Al Jazeera news this month, 300 armed Philipinos invaded part of the territory of Malaysia located in the Indonesian Island of Kalimantan because it was part of their precolonial kingdom seized by the British and given to the Malaysian after their independance.

What was the original name of the Philipine before it was renamed by the European after King Philipe I Habsburgh of Spain ? What was the religion of precolonial Philipine before being converted to Roman Catholicism?.What was the native language of the Philipine before adopting the Spanish and English language ?.

mena7, is there something which prevents YOU from looking that information up?
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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:
Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-:
BTW I thought whitey was a lying albino, why you using his terms..lmao. Lay off the Crack.

I personally don't care what they call themselves - as long as they know their place.

Hopefully you read the article that you posted: therefore you should know that actual Mongols at about 3 million people, represent a tiny percent of the people referred to as Mongols, or if you prefer Mongoloids. Example the Han Chinese are about 1,2 BILLION! The Japanese are about 100 million. That makes me wonder what the word actually means and where it came from.

Anyway, even to your drug damaged brain it must be obvious that the other terms are impractical. i.e. Yellow people is insulting, Chinese leaves half of the worlds Mongol types out, Asian combines the Mongol types with Blacks, which is incorrect. Okay - NOW do you get it???

WHITE PEOPLE
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YELLOW PEOPLE
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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

Mike its sounds like you susbscribe to the European concept of three major races

Yes, I most certainly do.
But you err in describing them, in this case science leads the way.

From this Study, science discovered that the test for European/White/Albino was much simpler than we thought. It's just a question of susceptibility to Sunburn. The easier you Sunburn, the closer you are to being a "Pure" Albino. The harder it is for you to Sunburn, the more Black admixture you have.

He,he,he:
Doxie has said that she rarely Sunburns.


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With Central Asian Albinos out of the way, then it is only a matter of excluding Asian Albinos or near Albinos who can Sunburn.

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After that you are left with all the worlds non-defective (Black or near Black Humans) - Humans who do NOT Sunburn.


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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:


Mongol does NOT relate to the country of Mongolia, it relates to one of the three major racial categories of humans; i.e. Black, White (Albino), and Mongol (previously Yellow).

And Filipinos do indeed know that they are Mongol.



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Mike your talk about sunburn does not relate to
" three major racial categories of humans; i.e. Black, White (Albino), and Mongol "
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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
YELLOW PEOPLE
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YES!

Indeed you are right - at least partially.

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YES! Mike you endorse a Mongol race yet as we can see it is not defined by skin color and you increasingly come off dumb


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^Today, mostly because of Negro complaints, we have turned our backs on scientific categories based on skin color - because the Albinos didn't tell us what they meant!

Johann Friedrich Blumenbach (1752–1840), came up with the five color typology for humans: white people (the Caucasian or white race), more or less black people (the Ethiopian or black race), yellow people (the Mongolian or yellow race), cinnamon-brown or flame colored people (the American or red race) and brown people (the Malay or brown race). Blumenbach listed the "races" in a hierarchic order of physical similarities: Caucasian, followed by American, followed by Mongolian, followed by Malayan, followed by Africoid peoples. Rand McNally's 1944 map of races describes Amerindians as being the copper race or copper people.


This is the reason why Mongols were called the "Yellow" race.


THIS:

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PLUS THIS:


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EQUALS THIS "Yellow tinted" Human.


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But "YELLOW" is very imprecise and can describe "ANY" Mulatto.

THIS"

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PLUS THIS:

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EQUALS THIS "Yellow tinted" human.

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^^^^ and you're telling me this woman is the product of parent each of whom looked different form one another?
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quote:
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^^^^ and you're telling me this woman is the product of parent each of whom looked different form one another?
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Miscegenation has always been common wherever Albinos went, so is this child the result of miscegenation? I don't know. But I do know that the San, like all Africans, had to endure sex with Albinos.


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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:

It sounds like you are trying to suggest that the Lapita people were of the Mongol (Chinese) phenotype. That is incorrect, they were stereotypical Blacks, their descendants are Solomon Islanders and such.

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Mongol people came recently (the current era).

Where did I say anything about Lapita? I was talking about MY people, the Malays who settled Malaysia, Indonesia, and the Philippines. The Lapita are an entirely different people who are suggested to be ancestral to Polynesians. I don't know about them being "stereotypical blacks" but they were likely quite dark. So-called 'Mongoloids' in Southeast Asia were there long before the 'Modern Era'.
quote:
Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-:

What about these people..


Aeta Philippines:
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/currystrumpet/735347437/

They look "Asian" to me..but you are saying they are mixed more than likely.

Yes that is exactly what I'm saying. The Aeta in the picture above are mixed, as many Aeta nowadays have intermarried with Malays. I personally have seen mixed marriages between Malays and Aeta who produced people who look like the above. I already posted pictures of how 'pristine' Aeta look like. They have shorter, kinky or frizzy hair, round eyes etc. Many Aeta look no different from Africans or even African Americans which many are mistaken as when they come to America.
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Originally posted by anguishofbeingadumbwhore:

You just switched the name (Malay/Mongol) but kept the same concept: a term to designate a specific ethnic/racial stereotypical looking type (i.e. not negrito). At least Mike is honest, you on the other hand are simply playing language games.

How am I playing games? 'Mongol' is a defunct racial term like 'Negro' or 'Negrito' which is why I use them loosely in quotes. Malay is a more accurate ethnic term for the non-black Southeast Asians of the Philippines and other related peoples. Aeta is the accurate term for the aboriginal people of the Philippines. Like Lyinass you seem to be reading things in my post that aren't there, Eva. [Embarrassed]
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Mike I put up a nice link another thread called ONLINE FACIAL MORPHING so you can play your 'this plus this equals this" games
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quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
Where did I say anything about Lapita? I was talking about MY people, the Malays who settled Malaysia, Indonesia, and the Philippines. The Lapita are an entirely different people who are suggested to be ancestral to Polynesians. I don't know about them being "stereotypical blacks" but they were likely quite dark. So-called 'Mongoloids' in Southeast Asia were there long before the 'Modern Era'.

Sorry Djehuti, if the Wiki on Malay people is correct, then you are in the same category as those Sand-Niggers of north Africa with the phoney made-up name and heritage - the so-called Amazign people. Who because of just a little Berber admixture, now claim that they themselves are Berbers.

The Malay Wiki:

Malays are an ethnic group of Austronesian people predominantly inhabiting the Malay Peninsula including the coastal Indonesian including eastern Sumatra, southernmost parts of Thailand, south coast Burma and island of Singapore, coastal Borneo, including Brunei, West Kalimantan, coastal Sarawak and Sabah, and the smaller islands which lie between these locations - collectively known as the Alam Melayu. These locations today are part of the modern nations of Malaysia, Western Indonesia, Singapore, Brunei, Southern Burma and Southern Thailand.

Historically, the ethnic Malays population is descended from several genetically related peoples who were largely of Animist, Buddhist or Hindu origin — the Austronesians, the Mon-Khmer peoples, the Orang Laut, the Orang Asli, the Cham people, the ancient Kedahans, the Langkasukans, the Tambralingans, the Gangga Negarans, the ancient Kelantanese, the Srivijayans, the ancient Bruneians, the Batak groups, the Dayak peoples and various other tribes inhabiting the Malay world.

The golden age of Malay sultanates beginning in the 15th century, saw the construction of the common identity that binds Malay people together; language (with variant of dialects exist among them), Islam and their culture. The commercial diaspora of these sultanates, effectively brought much of the Maritime Southeast Asia under the massive wave of Islamisation and Malayisation. Due to its fluid characteristics and the assimilation of the later immigrants from various part of the archipelago, Malay culture absorbed numerous cultural features of other ethnic groups, such as those of Minang, Aceh, and to some degree Javanese culture; however it differs by being more overtly Islamic than the Javanese culture which is more multi-religious.


Austronesian peoples

The Austronesian-speaking peoples are various populations in Southeast Asia and Oceania that speak languages of the Austronesian family. They include Taiwanese aborigines; the majority ethnic groups of East Timor, Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, Brunei, Madagascar, Micronesia, and Polynesia, as well as the Polynesian peoples of New Zealand and Hawaii, and the non-Papuan people of Melanesia. They are also found in Singapore, the Pattani region of Thailand, and the Cham areas of Vietnam (remnants of the Champa kingdom which covered central and southern Vietnam), Cambodia, and Hainan, China. The territories populated by Austronesian-speaking peoples are known collectively as Austronesia.


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As with the Amazign in North Africa, the Albino man is quite happy to muddy the water by throwing everyone in. But that is not truth:

Note above, the Albino boys at Wiki start of talking about Austronesian peoples, but then talk about "Austronesian-speaking peoples" this is the same bullsh1t they pull with the Amazign, because as with the Amazign, there is NO SUCH THING AS MALAY PEOPLE. There are only mulattoes of the following original Black people, and later arriving Mongols.


An original Hawaiian:

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A Mon of Thailand:


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A Khmer of Cambodia:


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A Cham of Vietnam:

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Hawaiian Mulattos:

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Hawaiian Mongol:


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Modern Thais showing Mongol and non-Mongol traits:

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Modern Cambodians showing Mongol and non-Mongol traits:

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Modern Vietnamese showing Mongol and non-Mongol traits:


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Described as an example of a Proto-Malay.


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Malay with non-Mongol features:


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Malay with Mongol features:

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Malay with mixed features:


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quote:
Originally posted by lamin:
Posters are always getting bamboozled by the invented lettering of groups according haplogroups--as if differing haplogroups signify anything definitive about phenotype.

Andaman Islanders bear the phenotype of parts of Africa but their Y haplogroup is D--which is found in strong incidence with the Ainu of Japan, Tibetans(Tibet) and parts of Sumatra. But in Africa less than 0.005% are D. But found mainly in Nigeria and Guinea Bissau. In other words D is "Asian" not "African" even though the D carriers in the case of the Andaman Islanders are phenotypically African.


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^As I have said many times, genetics cannot be used to identify race, since race is merely Albinism or lack of Albinism as determined by the condition of the "P" gene.

Having said that, if one remembers that the Ainu that we see today is the result of thousands of years of admixture with Mongols, then they are in line with the Andaman Islanders and the original Black Chinese like the Shang, and the Jomon of Japan.

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^As I have said many times, genetics cannot be used to identify race, since race is merely Albinism or lack of Albinism as determined by the condition of the "P" gene.

Having said that, if one remembers that the Ainu that we see today is the result of thousands of years of admixture with Mongols, then they are in line with the Andaman Islanders and the original Black Chinese like the Shang, and the Jomon of Japan.

Many people now argue that internal genetic differences between people are more fundamental and important than superficial old European school phenotypic definitions of race
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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
Many people now argue that internal genetic differences between people are more fundamental and important than superficial old European school phenotypic definitions of race

In a purely scientific environment that may be correct, but to us, the layman, the racial implications are the only reason for our interest. Therefore the old European school phenotypic definitions are the most important.

The problem is the most people don't understand what the genetic data is telling us. Note this example:

The San - Various Y-chromosome studies showed that the San carry some of the most divergent (oldest) Y-chromosome haplogroups. These haplogroups are specific sub-groups of haplogroups A and B, the two earliest branches on the human Y-chromosome tree.

Mitochondrial DNA studies also showed evidence that the San carry high frequencies of the earliest haplogroup branches in the human mitochondrial DNA tree. The most divergent (oldest) mitochondrial haplogroup, L0d, has been identified at its highest frequencies in the southern African San groups.

In a study published in March 2011, Brenna Henn and colleagues found that the ǂKhomani Bushmen, as well as the Sandawe and Hadza peoples of Tanzania, were the most genetically diverse of any living humans studied. This high degree of genetic diversity indicates that Southern Africa is the origin of anatomically modern humans.


That means diversity equals old, lack of diversity equals young. I take that to mean that Humans did not always produce Albinos, who have very little diversity. Meaning that there must have been a widespread event which caused a glitch in human genes causing Albinos to be produced. An extreme solar event (Solar flair) could have been the culprit.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
Many people now argue that internal genetic differences between people are more fundamental and important than superficial old European school phenotypic definitions of race

In a purely scientific environment that may be correct, but to us, the layman, the racial implications are the only reason for our interest. Therefore the old European school phenotypic definitions are the most important.


Therefore you are defending being an ignoramus.

If you were building a modern suspension bridge and a scienist told you the design had a dangerous structural flaw would you say "well we are layman we don't know about that scietntific stuff, we are layman so we must do things the layman's way" If somebody said use steel would you say "no we only use traditional materials we only know about iron, we are layman."
It's a non argument

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That means diversity equals old, lack of diversity equals young. I take that to mean that Humans did not always produce Albinos, who have very little diversity. Meaning that there must have been a widespread event which caused a glitch in human genes causing Albinos to be produced. An extreme solar event (Solar flair) could have been the culprit. [/QB]

what you are saying doesn't make sense
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^Black people didn't invent racism, the Albinos did. Black people didn't invent dumbing down captive populations so as to steal and acquire their history, the Albinos did. Black people didn't invent doing injury to other humans, simply because they were different, the Albinos did. With knowledge and understanding of what actually happened, those done injury may want retribution, will that be my fault simply because I helped expose the truth by investigating the racial aspects?
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quote:
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^Black people didn't invent racism, the Albinos did. Black people didn't invent dumbing down captive populations so as to steal and acquire their history, the Albinos did. Black people didn't invent doing injury to other humans, simply because they were different, the Albinos did. With knowledge and understanding of what actually happened, those done injury may want retribution, will that be my fault simply because I helped expose the truth by investigating the racial aspects?

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Mongol does NOT relate to the country of Mongolia, it relates to one of the three major racial categories of humans; i.e. Black, White (Albino), and Mongol (previously Yellow).
And Filipinos do indeed know that they are Mongol.


of what race is this person?

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one word answers only please

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To Mike, your problem is obvious.

Not only do you subscribe to debunked racial theories like 'true Mongoloid' which denies East Asians possess diversity of features, but you know little to nothing about Southeast Asian history as well.

Archaeologically the homeland of the Malay people lie in southern China. The Malay people are thus closely related to other so-called 'Mongoloid' peoples like Chinese whom they diverged from farther north. Of course the aboriginal people of Southeast Asia including southern China before northern types were aboriginal black peoples. By the way, Malays should not be confused with proto-Austronesians who originated in the Oceanian islands probably Melanesia and were thus definitely black aboriginals. There were two waves of Malays. Proto-Malays and Deutero-Malays who colonized the islands in to two main waves. These ancestral Malays adopted the language and certain customs of the aboriginal proto-Austronesians.

Some of these aboriginal Austronesians created the first kingdoms in Southeast Asia like the kingdoms of Funan and Champa. Even the oldest legends say blacks were the ones who created the megalithic structures dating to mesolithic times.

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^ Wait, wait, you're saying that Austronesian languages came from Melanesia? I thought the consensus among linguists was a Taiwanese (or Formosan) origin.
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^ The Formosan theory is for the origin of Malay speaking branch of Austronesian. But proto-Austronesian itslef originated in Melanesia as that is the location of the most diverse languages of the phylum.

Thus the Malay people originated from southern China and spread from the coasts to Formosa and other islands encountering and assimilating the language and some culture of the black aborigines who were the original Austronesian speakers.

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
of what race is this person?

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That is a very good question;

This is what makes it complicated.


quote:
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Mike come off of it you stupid POS. That girl is NOT White she is NOT of my people & NEVER will be. Again we WHITES are NOT Albinos we are NOT Albino derived, we are NOT Dravidians either you stupid idiotic Kill Whitey POS. Lioness those girls are NOT White they are KOREANS (mongols)not part of my people & NEVER will be.

It's those damn delusional Dravidian Albinos!
No matter how many time I try to get the truth out, they always try to sabotage it.
Stay tuned, I will break it down anyway.

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This is the Albino of a standard Black.

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This one too.

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This is the Albino of a Mongol mulatto.

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This is the Albino of a Black Dravidian.


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Clearly all of the above are in fact "WHITE" people because they have little or "NO" melanin. But because the Albinos of Dravidians insist on being considered separate people, the whole thing is screwed up.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:


Mongol does NOT relate to the country of Mongolia, it relates to one of the three major racial categories of humans; i.e. Black, White (Albino), and Mongol (previously Yellow).
And Filipinos do indeed know that they are Mongol.

of what race is this person?

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one word answers only please

^^^Mike I sesne you are preparing a large picture spam instead of dealing with this individual here.
Is he not Mongoloid?
You had outlined 'Black, White (Albino), and Mongol (previously Yellow)"
The man has yellow hair and perhaps could be described as yellowish

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^^^ this woman is most definatley yellowish
Is she a Mongoloid?

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^^^ This man is Negroid correct?

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Damn lioness, you sure are a stupid piece of sh1t. Must you take everything to the absurd.
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quote:
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Originally posted by Mike111:

It sounds like you are trying to suggest that the Lapita people were of the Mongol (Chinese) phenotype. That is incorrect, they were stereotypical Blacks, their descendants are Solomon Islanders and such.

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Mongol people came recently (the current era).

Where did I say anything about Lapita? I was talking about MY people, the Malays who settled Malaysia, Indonesia, and the Philippines. The Lapita are an entirely different people who are suggested to be ancestral to Polynesians. I don't know about them being "stereotypical blacks" but they were likely quite dark. So-called 'Mongoloids' in Southeast Asia were there long before the 'Modern Era'.
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What about these people..


Aeta Philippines:
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/currystrumpet/735347437/

They look "Asian" to me..but you are saying they are mixed more than likely.

Yes that is exactly what I'm saying. The Aeta in the picture above are mixed, as many Aeta nowadays have intermarried with Malays. I personally have seen mixed marriages between Malays and Aeta who produced people who look like the above. I already posted pictures of how 'pristine' Aeta look like. They have shorter, kinky or frizzy hair, round eyes etc. Many Aeta look no different from Africans or even African Americans which many are mistaken as when they come to America.
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You just switched the name (Malay/Mongol) but kept the same concept: a term to designate a specific ethnic/racial stereotypical looking type (i.e. not negrito). At least Mike is honest, you on the other hand are simply playing language games.

How am I playing games? 'Mongol' is a defunct racial term like 'Negro' or 'Negrito' which is why I use them loosely in quotes. Malay is a more accurate ethnic term for the non-black Southeast Asians of the Philippines and other related peoples. Aeta is the accurate term for the aboriginal people of the Philippines. Like Lyinass you seem to be reading things in my post that aren't there, Eva. [Embarrassed]

Why do they have to be mixed? Don't you know that there are native blacks in Asia with straight hair? Don't you know the original Malays had straight hair and were black? What about all the blacks in the Pacific with straight hair and not to mention the people from Australia.

THAT is the problem with white European racial doctrines. They try to lump certain features in humans as being unique to one population or other but it is all pure pseudo science. Are black Africans with flat faces, high cheekboones and slanted eyes mongols? Of course not. And you got Africans all over Africa with features like that. Not to mention that the original people of the Philippines were ALL black and a combination of black aboriginal types with straight hair and black aboriginal types with tight kinky hair. These Aeta look no different than many of the dark skinned people of the philippines in old pictures from 100 years ago, when a large part of the population was STILL black and they never were called AETA. But now because of the last 200 years of racism these people have been segregated and lumped together with the AETA as outcasts.

For example these kids from the Marshall Islands:
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/lancat/581607928/

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/25662036@N00/484464690/

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/skurfee/3069554634/in/set-72157607777386234

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/61454359@N00/211984230

They are often called "mixed" because they don't conform to the stereotype of what blacks are supposed to look like. But they are an example of what many South Asian populations looked like before white European conquest and the arrival of Northern Chinese. Just like the Tasmanian people had features different from the Australian Aborigines and different from the natives of new Zealand even though ALL of them were originally black. Asian diversity like all human diversity originates with aboriginal black populations all over the world. Not the other way around. It is the black populations that are the most diverse as well. The whole point of the racists is to try and cover that up with fake race science.

And yes the original people of South Asia were blacks. Period. Stereotypical and non stereotypical.

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Doug M - The Aeta girls are declared "Mixed" because of the range of Mongol and non-Mongol features evident in the picture, not because of their hair.
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What is a "mongol feature" that ONLY mongol people have Mike?

Please explain.

And do the black mongols have mongol features?

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quote:
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What is a "mongol feature" that ONLY mongol people have Mike?

Please explain.

And do the black mongols have mongol features?

Aeta people

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Note the woman in the center rear: I don't believe that this gulf can be bridged without admixture


Aeta people

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Not to say that admixture is necessarily a bad thing.


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None of the people above are 'Black', there is nothing Negroid about them.

If 'Black' = dark skin, then is the following person by the same retarded logic 'white'?

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So 'whites' are more diverse than 'blacks' by this logic - 'whites' can have epicanthic fold, higher nasal indices, and facial flatness. [Roll Eyes]

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^Cass, why not sit quietly and let Doxie and Lioness do the talking. We can only take so many fruity Albinos.
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Mike, when will you accept race is more than skin hue? Its bone morphology to hair texture.

If you want to play the 'blacks = dark only' game, then it can be reversed and actually backfires on as just shown above. Through the same logic, 'whites' actually have the most physical variation in the world.

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Mike says race is skin color, goes on and on about albinim and sunburn

Then he whenever he feels like switches to features as race

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Djehuti says there is no such thing as race but "black" and "white" are valid terms and based strictly on skin color,

Yet when presented with people who defy expectations such as the people above he goes silent and won't apply his defintion. "no comment"
And if pressed with an example he doesn't want to deal he then moves the goal posts, you have to be as dark as an Andaman Islander to be black

If you then try to apply his standard people like Malcom X. Minister Farrakhan and Winnie Mandela aren't black enoungh to be black

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:
What is a "mongol feature" that ONLY mongol people have Mike?

Please explain.

And do the black mongols have mongol features?

Aeta people

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Note the woman in the center rear: I don't believe that this gulf can be bridged without admixture


Aeta people

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Not to say that admixture is necessarily a bad thing.


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And there have always been blacks with features like straight hair which has absolutely nothing to do with Mongols. If so why are those Aeta COAL BLACK?

Dumb behind morons are silly.

Original Philippine woman 100+ years ago matching the description of "chinese looking BLACKS" of European writers.... Now why is she mixed and mixed with what?

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/24443965@N08/2937553892/sizes/o/in/set-72157607976452610/

And another one:
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/24443965@N08/2967542327/in/set-72157607976452610

Some of you clowns claim to be rejecting European race thinking but turn right around and cling to it at every turn. LOL!

And getting back to the topic of the thread, I guess these make your head hurt. Cant figure out what to make of them huh since they don't fit your "race models"..... LOL!


http://www.vintag.es/2013/03/old-photographs-of-life-in-korea-more.html

Nice vids of old photos some of which are coal black.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v71AXp21m-Q

And we all know what happened to these "shadows" in the old black and white photos....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OhwzwM4qas

And to summarize....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvlmEjPDDQ0

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^ Doug, according to your logic, this women is 'white'?

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