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Dr. Guy Scott (born 1 June 1944) is a Zambian politician. He has been Vice President of Zambia since September 2011.
Scott was born in 1944 in Livingstone. His father, Alec Scott, moved there in 1927, while his mother, Grace, emigrated in 1940.
Scott completed his education in Southern Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) and the United Kingdom at Cambridge University and the University of Sussex, where he obtained a degree in economics and a PhD in cognitive science respectively. His participation in Zambian politics was inspired by his late father who was an ally of Zambian nationalists and a founder of anti-colonial government newspapers. During the 1950s, his father was a member of the federal parliament for Lusaka, standing on an independent ticket.
Zambian vice-president: ‘South Africans are backward’
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Guy Scott wastes little time on diplomatic language as he lets loose on Africa’s biggest economy, race, Mugabe and gay rights, according to the Guardian of UK.
One of the most colourful men in African politics happens to be white. Guy Scott is the vice-president of Zambia but his race is probably the least exceptional thing about him.
On a recent afternoon in the capital, Lusaka, Scott held court with the kind of candour – and eccentricity – seldom heard from today’s media-honed political class. He dismissed South Africans as “backward”, insisted that Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe wants to quit, and discussed Zambia by way of references to Marlon Brando and the Klingon empire.
The 68-year-old grandfather was just back from Margaret Thatcher’s funeral in London when he took the Guardian on an impromptu tour of an emerald auction at the InterContinental Lusaka hotel. Discussing similar auctions in India with a deferential salesman, Scott said: “Jaipur is a terrible dump. It produces nothing but zinc.”
As officials fluttered around him, Scott, wearing a dark suit, blue striped shirt and blue and red tie, was informed that the Hollywood actor Mila Kunis recently visited a local mine as an “ambassador” for Zambian emeralds. “How come I didn’t see her?” he pondered morosely.
The son of English and Scottish immigrants – his father Alexander was also an MP here – Scott then gave an interview that wasted little time on diplomatic language. Discussing neighbouring Zimbabwe, where Mugabe has ruled for 33 years, he disclosed: “I think if you asked him he’d say it was enough. That’s what he said to us a few months ago. I said the way forward in African democracy is the way we do it in Zambia. He said, ‘I absolutely agree, I wish it would happen to me.’”
As in lose an election? “Yes, and a smooth handover. I think he meant it, or he was toying with the idea of meaning it. He wanted to hear how it sounded, maybe. Or something.”
Scott went on to describe 89-year-old Mugabe’s persona. “He’s a funny chap. He seems to doze off and then he suddenly laughs at a joke while in the middle of dozing. And very articulate, without a note, without a scrap of anything.
“He’s an anglophone. He loves to give lectures on the English language, English weighing systems, English this or that. He was a teacher and so he taught himself all that.”
Zambian president Michael Sata – whom Scott refers to as “the boss” – is known to be on friendly terms with Mugabe, who used to work as a teacher in Zambia. “I’m sure any good African nationalist admires Mugabe,” the vice-president added. “Racism in Zimbabwe is a serious issue. I was sent to school down there and it was like being in the Hitler Youth: the theories about black inferiority and this kind of stuff.
“It was a whites-only school; they tried to introduce an Indian and he was hounded out at the instigation of the parents of the boys. I think Mugabe is a product of having to contend with that.”
But Scott has far less time for South Africa, the continent’s biggest economy. “The South Africans are very backward in terms of historical development,” he said. “I hate South Africans. That’s not a fair thing to say because I like a lot of South Africans but they really think they’re the bees’ knees and actually they’ve been the cause of so much trouble in this part of the world.
“I have a suspicion the blacks model themselves on the whites now that they’re in power. ‘Don’t you know who we are, man?’”
Scott scoffed at the inclusion of South Africa in the Brics grouping of emerging economies. “They think in Brics that the ‘s’ actually stands for South Africa whereas it stands for Africa. Nobody would want to go in for a partnership with Brazil, China, India and South Africa for Christ’s sake.
“I dislike South Africa for the same reason that Latin Americans dislike the United States, I think. It’s just too big and too unsubtle.”
Warming to his theme, Scott let rip at South African President Jacob Zuma, comparing him with the last apartheid leader, FW de Klerk. “He’s very like De Klerk. He tells us, ‘You just leave Zimbabwe to me.’ Excuse me, who the hell liberated you anyway, was it not us? I mean, I quite like him, he seems a rather genial character but I pity him his advisers.”
Fewer than 40,000 of Zambia’s 13 million-strong population are white. Scott, a wildly popular MP for Lusaka, notes that the country has more than 80 tribes and several major language groups. “That doesn’t add up to a bipolar formula for the scrap” along racial lines.
He became vice-president in 2011 but his presence baffles some African leaders at high-level meetings. “I think they regard me as a sort of mascot, a good luck charm for African politics. Michael’s very clever, he knows people tend to regard him as a racist because he talks rough.
“He’s usually tried it out on me already. He says things like, ‘What would you be if you weren’t white?’ I said, ‘The president?’ That shut him up.”
But opposition parties have accused the Sata-Scott leadership of orchestrating violence, banning rallies, throwing dissenters in jail and dragging Zambia towards authoritarianism. Scott sarcastically predicted that opponents would complain to the Commonwealth, then the UN and, if still unsuccessful, the Klingon empire.
“It’s a wheeze, it’s an attempt I suppose based on some of the stuff that took place in Russia to denounce a government rather than eject it,” he said. “But I really am very hard-pressed to find a corner I can sit in and believe that we’re looking at a one-party state again.”
He added: “It doesn’t help that people don’t know where Zambia is and they don’t know what Zambia is like. If you were to write a story about America getting out of hand and going to a one-party state, everybody knows so much about the United States that they won’t believe you.
“If you say, ‘Somewhere over there in the African hinterland, not far from where Marlon Brando had a house surrounded by stakes with heads of his enemies on, not far from the Congo, there’s a place where there’s a one-party state …’ Well, there probably is, probably several. And so it’s a lot easier for that because there’s no built-in balance.”
One recent incident in which Zambia’s civil liberties credentials took a battering, however, was the arrest of a human rights activist who had appeared on live TV calling for homosexuality to be decriminalised.
Scott admitted: “The problem with this guy going on television was that we had to do something because if we had done absolutely nothing we would have got a bollocking from all these evangelical churches plus damn idiots. On the other hand, we didn’t want to give him a particularly hard ride.”
As newspapers and TV shows whipped up homophobia, Scott set out priorities that offer little consolation to anyone who is gay. “I think you’ve got so much cleaning up to do of killings and defilements and this and that, it’s almost self-indulgent to think, ‘Well, why don’t we sit here and talk about gay rights?’
“It’s indulgent politics that assumes yes, we don’t actually have 7 million unemployed people. Realistically, I think even an average gay, if you gave him a list of all the concerns Zambia had, would not necessarily put gay rights on top.”
He went on: “There’s tonnes of gay joints in this town. Well, not tonnes but they’re there, well known. It’s entirely the same phenonemon you get anywhere else. It’s live and let live. Stirring up and making it worse, that is the biggest danger. Let sleeping dogs lie is an easier policy.”
If Sata were to die in office, Scott would make history as the first democratic white leader in Africa, albeit as a three-month caretaker until an election was held. Seeking the presidency full-time would be “a bridge too far” for qualifying rules because his parents were born outside the country.
Scott, whose wife is from Greenwich, south-east London, has health worries of his own, including a right hand that trembles slightly. “It’s possibly Parkinson’s, I haven’t had it diagnosed yet.” He is also concerned about possible cancer under one eye. “In my age group, there is on average six things wrong with you at any one time.”
Scott departed, stepping into a lift and flanked by security guards, making a quip about how many emeralds he could conceal in his hand. ___________________________________
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Michael Chilufya Sata (born 1937) is a Zambian politician who has been the fifth President of Zambia since 23 September 2011. A social democrat,] he leads the Patriotic Front (PF), a major political party in Zambia. Under President Frederick Chiluba, Sata was a minister during the 1990s as part of the Movement for Multiparty Democracy (MMD) government; he went into opposition in 2001, forming the PF. As an opposition leader, Sata—popularly known as "King Cobra"—emerged as the leading opposition presidential contender and rival to President Levy Mwanawasa in the 2006 presidential election, but was defeated. Following Mwanawasa's death, Sata ran again and lost to President Rupiah Banda in 2008.
After ten years in opposition, Sata defeated Banda, the incumbent, to win the September 2011 presidential election with a plurality of the vote.
Policies
On 8 September 2008, Sata claimed that he would protect Chinese investment if he was elected, abandoning the hostility towards Chinese investment that he had expressed during the 2006 presidential election campaign.
During the 2006 election campaign he was reported to have said of Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe that "Mugabe hasn't done anything wrong. It is the imperialists, the capitalist-roaders, who say he is a villain."
In 2008, he said that he would revoke licenses for foreign investors if they resisted his orders to give at least a 25% stake in their companies to Zambians.[
At his inauguration as President of Zambia, Sata assured foreign investors that they are welcome in his country, Africa's biggest copper producer, but said they must improve conditions for their Zambian employees
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About 68% of Zambians live below the recognised national poverty line,[33] with rural poverty rates standing at about 78%[34] and urban rates of 53%.[35] Zambia ranked 117th out of 128 countries on the 2007 Global Competitiveness Index, which looks at factors that affect economic growth.[36] Social indicators continue to decline, particularly in measurements of life expectancy at birth (about 40.9 years) and maternal mortality (830 per 100,000 pregnancies).[37] The country's rate of economic growth cannot support rapid population growth or the strain which HIV/AIDS-related issues place on the economy.
During the decades of Kaunda's socialist policies, Zambia fell into poverty, especially after international copper prices declined in the 1970s. The socialist regime made up for falling revenue with several abortive attempts at International Monetary Fund structural adjustment programmes (SAPs). After the dictatorship ended, successive governments have begun limited reforms. The economy stagnated until the late 1990s. In 2007 Zambia recorded its ninth consecutive year of economic growth. Inflation was 8.9%, down from 30% in 2000.
The Zambian economy has historically been based on the copper mining industry. Output of copper had fallen, however, to a low of 228,000 metric tons in 1998, after a 30-year decline in output due to lack of investment, low copper prices, and uncertainty over privatisation. In 2002, following privatisation of the industry, copper production rebounded to 337,000 metric tons. Improvements in the world copper market have magnified the effect of this volume increase on revenues and foreign exchange earnings.
The Zambian government is pursuing an economic diversification program to reduce the economy's reliance on the copper industry. This initiative seeks to exploit other components of Zambia's rich resource base by promoting agriculture, tourism, gemstone mining, and hydro-power.
Agriculture plays a very important part in Zambia's economy providing many more jobs than the mining industry. Zambia officially has extensive social protection targeted at low-capacity households, including social assistance (protection) and social insurance programmes (prevention), and programmes to improve economic productivity (promotion). However, these programmes face immense challenges and the actual coverage is very low and, in some cases, actually declining.
On 24 October 1964, the country became independent of the United Kingdom and then-prime minister Kenneth Kaunda became the inaugural president. Kaunda's socialist United National Independence Party (UNIP) maintained power from the 1964 until 1991. From 1972 to 1991 Zambia was a single-party state with the UNIP as the sole-legal political party, with the goal of uniting the nation under the banner of 'One Zambia, One Nation'. Kaunda was succeeded by Frederick Chiluba of the social-democratic Movement for Multi-Party Democracy in 1991, during which the country saw a rise in social-economic growth and increased decentralisation of government. Chiluba selected Levy Mwanawasa as his successor; Mwanawasa presided over the country from January 2002 until his death in August 2008, and is credited with initiating a campaign to reduce corruption and increase the standard of living. After Mwanawasa's death, Rupiah Banda presided as Acting President before being elected president in 2008. He is the shortest serving president, having held office for only three years. Patriotic Front party leader, Michael Chilufya Sata defeated Banda in the 2011 elections.
In 2010, the World Bank named Zambia one of the world's fastest economically reformed countries. The Common Market for Eastern and Southern Africa (COMESA) is headquartered in Lusaka.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Dr. Guy Scott (born 1 June 1944) is a Zambian politician. He has been Vice President of Zambia since September 2011.
Scott was born in 1944 in Livingstone. His father, Alec Scott, moved there in 1927, while his mother, Grace, emigrated in 1940.
Scott completed his education in Southern Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) and the United Kingdom at Cambridge University and the University of Sussex, where he obtained a degree in economics and a PhD in cognitive science respectively. His participation in Zambian politics was inspired by his late father who was an ally of Zambian nationalists and a founder of anti-colonial government newspapers. During the 1950s, his father was a member of the federal parliament for Lusaka, standing on an independent ticket.
Zambian vice-president: ‘South Africans are backward’
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Guy Scott wastes little time on diplomatic language as he lets loose on Africa’s biggest economy, race, Mugabe and gay rights, according to the Guardian of UK.
One of the most colourful men in African politics happens to be white. Guy Scott is the vice-president of Zambia but his race is probably the least exceptional thing about him.
On a recent afternoon in the capital, Lusaka, Scott held court with the kind of candour – and eccentricity – seldom heard from today’s media-honed political class. He dismissed South Africans as “backward”, insisted that Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe wants to quit, and discussed Zambia by way of references to Marlon Brando and the Klingon empire.
The 68-year-old grandfather was just back from Margaret Thatcher’s funeral in London when he took the Guardian on an impromptu tour of an emerald auction at the InterContinental Lusaka hotel. Discussing similar auctions in India with a deferential salesman, Scott said: “Jaipur is a terrible dump. It produces nothing but zinc.”
As officials fluttered around him, Scott, wearing a dark suit, blue striped shirt and blue and red tie, was informed that the Hollywood actor Mila Kunis recently visited a local mine as an “ambassador” for Zambian emeralds. “How come I didn’t see her?” he pondered morosely.
The son of English and Scottish immigrants – his father Alexander was also an MP here – Scott then gave an interview that wasted little time on diplomatic language. Discussing neighbouring Zimbabwe, where Mugabe has ruled for 33 years, he disclosed: “I think if you asked him he’d say it was enough. That’s what he said to us a few months ago. I said the way forward in African democracy is the way we do it in Zambia. He said, ‘I absolutely agree, I wish it would happen to me.’”
As in lose an election? “Yes, and a smooth handover. I think he meant it, or he was toying with the idea of meaning it. He wanted to hear how it sounded, maybe. Or something.”
Scott went on to describe 89-year-old Mugabe’s persona. “He’s a funny chap. He seems to doze off and then he suddenly laughs at a joke while in the middle of dozing. And very articulate, without a note, without a scrap of anything.
“He’s an anglophone. He loves to give lectures on the English language, English weighing systems, English this or that. He was a teacher and so he taught himself all that.”
Zambian president Michael Sata – whom Scott refers to as “the boss” – is known to be on friendly terms with Mugabe, who used to work as a teacher in Zambia. “I’m sure any good African nationalist admires Mugabe,” the vice-president added. “Racism in Zimbabwe is a serious issue. I was sent to school down there and it was like being in the Hitler Youth: the theories about black inferiority and this kind of stuff.
“It was a whites-only school; they tried to introduce an Indian and he was hounded out at the instigation of the parents of the boys. I think Mugabe is a product of having to contend with that.”
But Scott has far less time for South Africa, the continent’s biggest economy. “The South Africans are very backward in terms of historical development,” he said. “I hate South Africans. That’s not a fair thing to say because I like a lot of South Africans but they really think they’re the bees’ knees and actually they’ve been the cause of so much trouble in this part of the world.
“I have a suspicion the blacks model themselves on the whites now that they’re in power. ‘Don’t you know who we are, man?’”
Scott scoffed at the inclusion of South Africa in the Brics grouping of emerging economies. “They think in Brics that the ‘s’ actually stands for South Africa whereas it stands for Africa. Nobody would want to go in for a partnership with Brazil, China, India and South Africa for Christ’s sake.
“I dislike South Africa for the same reason that Latin Americans dislike the United States, I think. It’s just too big and too unsubtle.”
Warming to his theme, Scott let rip at South African President Jacob Zuma, comparing him with the last apartheid leader, FW de Klerk. “He’s very like De Klerk. He tells us, ‘You just leave Zimbabwe to me.’ Excuse me, who the hell liberated you anyway, was it not us? I mean, I quite like him, he seems a rather genial character but I pity him his advisers.”
Fewer than 40,000 of Zambia’s 13 million-strong population are white. Scott, a wildly popular MP for Lusaka, notes that the country has more than 80 tribes and several major language groups. “That doesn’t add up to a bipolar formula for the scrap” along racial lines.
He became vice-president in 2011 but his presence baffles some African leaders at high-level meetings. “I think they regard me as a sort of mascot, a good luck charm for African politics. Michael’s very clever, he knows people tend to regard him as a racist because he talks rough.
“He’s usually tried it out on me already. He says things like, ‘What would you be if you weren’t white?’ I said, ‘The president?’ That shut him up.”
But opposition parties have accused the Sata-Scott leadership of orchestrating violence, banning rallies, throwing dissenters in jail and dragging Zambia towards authoritarianism. Scott sarcastically predicted that opponents would complain to the Commonwealth, then the UN and, if still unsuccessful, the Klingon empire.
“It’s a wheeze, it’s an attempt I suppose based on some of the stuff that took place in Russia to denounce a government rather than eject it,” he said. “But I really am very hard-pressed to find a corner I can sit in and believe that we’re looking at a one-party state again.”
He added: “It doesn’t help that people don’t know where Zambia is and they don’t know what Zambia is like. If you were to write a story about America getting out of hand and going to a one-party state, everybody knows so much about the United States that they won’t believe you.
“If you say, ‘Somewhere over there in the African hinterland, not far from where Marlon Brando had a house surrounded by stakes with heads of his enemies on, not far from the Congo, there’s a place where there’s a one-party state …’ Well, there probably is, probably several. And so it’s a lot easier for that because there’s no built-in balance.”
One recent incident in which Zambia’s civil liberties credentials took a battering, however, was the arrest of a human rights activist who had appeared on live TV calling for homosexuality to be decriminalised.
Scott admitted: “The problem with this guy going on television was that we had to do something because if we had done absolutely nothing we would have got a bollocking from all these evangelical churches plus damn idiots. On the other hand, we didn’t want to give him a particularly hard ride.”
As newspapers and TV shows whipped up homophobia, Scott set out priorities that offer little consolation to anyone who is gay. “I think you’ve got so much cleaning up to do of killings and defilements and this and that, it’s almost self-indulgent to think, ‘Well, why don’t we sit here and talk about gay rights?’
“It’s indulgent politics that assumes yes, we don’t actually have 7 million unemployed people. Realistically, I think even an average gay, if you gave him a list of all the concerns Zambia had, would not necessarily put gay rights on top.”
He went on: “There’s tonnes of gay joints in this town. Well, not tonnes but they’re there, well known. It’s entirely the same phenonemon you get anywhere else. It’s live and let live. Stirring up and making it worse, that is the biggest danger. Let sleeping dogs lie is an easier policy.”
If Sata were to die in office, Scott would make history as the first democratic white leader in Africa, albeit as a three-month caretaker until an election was held. Seeking the presidency full-time would be “a bridge too far” for qualifying rules because his parents were born outside the country.
Scott, whose wife is from Greenwich, south-east London, has health worries of his own, including a right hand that trembles slightly. “It’s possibly Parkinson’s, I haven’t had it diagnosed yet.” He is also concerned about possible cancer under one eye. “In my age group, there is on average six things wrong with you at any one time.”
Scott departed, stepping into a lift and flanked by security guards, making a quip about how many emeralds he could conceal in his hand. ___________________________________
Zambian opposition leader Hakaimbe Hichilema's lashed out at Scott; calling him 'the stupidest white man' he's met.
LOL!
Lionese, this is actually a great read.
I love Scott, I wish there were more pale skin Muurs like him. He knows himself, he knows he is Muur even if his skin is pale. Because we are one big happy family, when we trace via bloodline rather than by skin shades.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Dr. Guy Scott (born 1 June 1944) is a Zambian politician. He has been Vice President of Zambia since September 2011.
Scott was born in 1944 in Livingstone. His father, Alec Scott, moved there in 1927, while his mother, Grace, emigrated in 1940.
Scott completed his education in Southern Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) and the United Kingdom at Cambridge University and the University of Sussex, where he obtained a degree in economics and a PhD in cognitive science respectively. His participation in Zambian politics was inspired by his late father who was an ally of Zambian nationalists and a founder of anti-colonial government newspapers. During the 1950s, his father was a member of the federal parliament for Lusaka, standing on an independent ticket.
Zambian vice-president: ‘South Africans are backward’
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Guy Scott wastes little time on diplomatic language as he lets loose on Africa’s biggest economy, race, Mugabe and gay rights, according to the Guardian of UK.
One of the most colourful men in African politics happens to be white. Guy Scott is the vice-president of Zambia but his race is probably the least exceptional thing about him.
On a recent afternoon in the capital, Lusaka, Scott held court with the kind of candour – and eccentricity – seldom heard from today’s media-honed political class. He dismissed South Africans as “backward”, insisted that Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe wants to quit, and discussed Zambia by way of references to Marlon Brando and the Klingon empire.
The 68-year-old grandfather was just back from Margaret Thatcher’s funeral in London when he took the Guardian on an impromptu tour of an emerald auction at the InterContinental Lusaka hotel. Discussing similar auctions in India with a deferential salesman, Scott said: “Jaipur is a terrible dump. It produces nothing but zinc.”
As officials fluttered around him, Scott, wearing a dark suit, blue striped shirt and blue and red tie, was informed that the Hollywood actor Mila Kunis recently visited a local mine as an “ambassador” for Zambian emeralds. “How come I didn’t see her?” he pondered morosely.
The son of English and Scottish immigrants – his father Alexander was also an MP here – Scott then gave an interview that wasted little time on diplomatic language. Discussing neighbouring Zimbabwe, where Mugabe has ruled for 33 years, he disclosed: “I think if you asked him he’d say it was enough. That’s what he said to us a few months ago. I said the way forward in African democracy is the way we do it in Zambia. He said, ‘I absolutely agree, I wish it would happen to me.’”
As in lose an election? “Yes, and a smooth handover. I think he meant it, or he was toying with the idea of meaning it. He wanted to hear how it sounded, maybe. Or something.”
Scott went on to describe 89-year-old Mugabe’s persona. “He’s a funny chap. He seems to doze off and then he suddenly laughs at a joke while in the middle of dozing. And very articulate, without a note, without a scrap of anything.
“He’s an anglophone. He loves to give lectures on the English language, English weighing systems, English this or that. He was a teacher and so he taught himself all that.”
Zambian president Michael Sata – whom Scott refers to as “the boss” – is known to be on friendly terms with Mugabe, who used to work as a teacher in Zambia. “I’m sure any good African nationalist admires Mugabe,” the vice-president added. “Racism in Zimbabwe is a serious issue. I was sent to school down there and it was like being in the Hitler Youth: the theories about black inferiority and this kind of stuff.
“It was a whites-only school; they tried to introduce an Indian and he was hounded out at the instigation of the parents of the boys. I think Mugabe is a product of having to contend with that.”
But Scott has far less time for South Africa, the continent’s biggest economy. “The South Africans are very backward in terms of historical development,” he said. “I hate South Africans. That’s not a fair thing to say because I like a lot of South Africans but they really think they’re the bees’ knees and actually they’ve been the cause of so much trouble in this part of the world.
“I have a suspicion the blacks model themselves on the whites now that they’re in power. ‘Don’t you know who we are, man?’”
Scott scoffed at the inclusion of South Africa in the Brics grouping of emerging economies. “They think in Brics that the ‘s’ actually stands for South Africa whereas it stands for Africa. Nobody would want to go in for a partnership with Brazil, China, India and South Africa for Christ’s sake.
“I dislike South Africa for the same reason that Latin Americans dislike the United States, I think. It’s just too big and too unsubtle.”
Warming to his theme, Scott let rip at South African President Jacob Zuma, comparing him with the last apartheid leader, FW de Klerk. “He’s very like De Klerk. He tells us, ‘You just leave Zimbabwe to me.’ Excuse me, who the hell liberated you anyway, was it not us? I mean, I quite like him, he seems a rather genial character but I pity him his advisers.”
Fewer than 40,000 of Zambia’s 13 million-strong population are white. Scott, a wildly popular MP for Lusaka, notes that the country has more than 80 tribes and several major language groups. “That doesn’t add up to a bipolar formula for the scrap” along racial lines.
He became vice-president in 2011 but his presence baffles some African leaders at high-level meetings. “I think they regard me as a sort of mascot, a good luck charm for African politics. Michael’s very clever, he knows people tend to regard him as a racist because he talks rough.
“He’s usually tried it out on me already. He says things like, ‘What would you be if you weren’t white?’ I said, ‘The president?’ That shut him up.”
But opposition parties have accused the Sata-Scott leadership of orchestrating violence, banning rallies, throwing dissenters in jail and dragging Zambia towards authoritarianism. Scott sarcastically predicted that opponents would complain to the Commonwealth, then the UN and, if still unsuccessful, the Klingon empire.
“It’s a wheeze, it’s an attempt I suppose based on some of the stuff that took place in Russia to denounce a government rather than eject it,” he said. “But I really am very hard-pressed to find a corner I can sit in and believe that we’re looking at a one-party state again.”
He added: “It doesn’t help that people don’t know where Zambia is and they don’t know what Zambia is like. If you were to write a story about America getting out of hand and going to a one-party state, everybody knows so much about the United States that they won’t believe you.
“If you say, ‘Somewhere over there in the African hinterland, not far from where Marlon Brando had a house surrounded by stakes with heads of his enemies on, not far from the Congo, there’s a place where there’s a one-party state …’ Well, there probably is, probably several. And so it’s a lot easier for that because there’s no built-in balance.”
One recent incident in which Zambia’s civil liberties credentials took a battering, however, was the arrest of a human rights activist who had appeared on live TV calling for homosexuality to be decriminalised.
Scott admitted: “The problem with this guy going on television was that we had to do something because if we had done absolutely nothing we would have got a bollocking from all these evangelical churches plus damn idiots. On the other hand, we didn’t want to give him a particularly hard ride.”
As newspapers and TV shows whipped up homophobia, Scott set out priorities that offer little consolation to anyone who is gay. “I think you’ve got so much cleaning up to do of killings and defilements and this and that, it’s almost self-indulgent to think, ‘Well, why don’t we sit here and talk about gay rights?’
“It’s indulgent politics that assumes yes, we don’t actually have 7 million unemployed people. Realistically, I think even an average gay, if you gave him a list of all the concerns Zambia had, would not necessarily put gay rights on top.”
He went on: “There’s tonnes of gay joints in this town. Well, not tonnes but they’re there, well known. It’s entirely the same phenonemon you get anywhere else. It’s live and let live. Stirring up and making it worse, that is the biggest danger. Let sleeping dogs lie is an easier policy.”
If Sata were to die in office, Scott would make history as the first democratic white leader in Africa, albeit as a three-month caretaker until an election was held. Seeking the presidency full-time would be “a bridge too far” for qualifying rules because his parents were born outside the country.
Scott, whose wife is from Greenwich, south-east London, has health worries of his own, including a right hand that trembles slightly. “It’s possibly Parkinson’s, I haven’t had it diagnosed yet.” He is also concerned about possible cancer under one eye. “In my age group, there is on average six things wrong with you at any one time.”
Scott departed, stepping into a lift and flanked by security guards, making a quip about how many emeralds he could conceal in his hand. ___________________________________
Zambian opposition leader Hakaimbe Hichilema's lashed out at Scott; calling him 'the stupidest white man' he's met.
LOL!
Lionese, this is actually a great read.
I love Scott, I wish there were more pale skin Muurs like him. He knows himself, he knows he is Muur even if his skin is pale. Because we are one big happy family, when we trace via bloodline rather than by skin shades.
Muurz!
Why are you so happy about this when most blacks in Zambia are simply backwards, landless, powerless and in poverty? What the hell is it with black folks not being able to love their own inner (SUN), SON or WISDOM versus only acknowledging the SON, SON or WISDOM of those OUTSIDE of themselves?
And most of these clowns don't even know what cognitive science is:
quote: Cognitive science is the interdisciplinary scientific study of the mind and its processes. It examines what cognition is, what it does and how it works. It includes research on intelligence and behavior, especially focusing on how information is represented, processed, and transformed (in faculties such as perception, language, memory, reasoning, and emotion) within nervous systems (human or other animal) and machines (e.g. computers). Cognitive science consists of multiple research disciplines, including psychology, artificial intelligence, philosophy, neuroscience, linguistics, and anthropology.[1] It spans many levels of analysis, from low-level learning and decision mechanisms to high-level logic and planning; from neural circuitry to modular brain organization. The fundamental concept of cognitive science is "that thinking can best be understood in terms of representational structures in the mind and computational procedures that operate on those structures.
Note that cognitive science is the underlying basis of all ancient metaphysical traditions that ultimately originated in Africa. So how ironic is it that the Africans are deaf dumb and blind to their own history, culture and anthropology while their so-called "BROTHAS" the white folks are all into this history and knowledge and using it to keep black folks dumb and backwards.....
And this is from someone who is of a mixed background and married to a white woman. Not that these things are important, but it goes to show you how much knowledge about YOUR BRAIN these people have and how they USE IT AGAINST YOU.....
It is all about cognition and being aware of patterns and what the hell is going on around you and the picture you form of yourself and your PLACE in the universe around you..... All of that came from Africa and is melanin, the third eye, black dot, Ptah, sobek and so forth and so on....
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Im surprise Zambia have a white vice president.Usualy people put their race in the top level of governement.In Europe, Latin America, North Africa, West Asia, India, China, Australia the top level of governement are occupied by people of the same race then the majority of the people in the country.
I think probably Zambian President Michael Sata chosed white vice President Guy Scott because he was the best qualified and have a great character.thats not the first time that happened in the history of Africa.Black Pharaoh Amenhotep III had a semite Vizier/Prime minister name Yuya with long face, hook nose and soft hair.Yuya was one of the richest person in Egypt.Some say part of the story of biblical Joseph was base on him.The mummies of Yuya and his wife Tuya look very Semitic near white and was different from the regular Egyptian.
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M: [qb] ..Why are you so happy about this when most blacks in Zambia are simply backwards, landless, powerless and in poverty? What the hell is it with black folks not being able to love their own inner...blah blah...blah
Here comes the Misrable Doug the Misrelite and prophet of doooom!
Listen up and learn from the Prophets:
"No matter the pressures, pressures they put us through, we will never be blue, cause we'll be forever" - Bob Marley
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Reflecting all of what I just said, which is all ultimately African, note how this idea of Charisma is ultimately tied to the BRAIN:
And this is from someone who is of a mixed background and married to a white woman. Not that these things are important, but it goes to show you how much knowledge about YOUR BRAIN these people have and how they USE IT AGAINST YOU.....
It is all about cognition and being aware of patterns and what the hell is going on around you and the picture you form of yourself and your PLACE in the universe around you..... All of that came from Africa and is melanin, the third eye, black dot, Ptah, sobek and so forth and so on....
This Doug character is confused. First he is promoting this very Western term " Cognitive science" . Then he's got this guy who says "", "shut off your brain,"" use your balls", "trust the holy ghost"
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quote:Originally posted by mena7: Im surprise Zambia have a white vice president.Usualy people put their race in the top level of governement.In Europe, Latin America, North Africa, West Asia, India, China, Australia the top level of governement are occupied by people of the same race then the majority of the people in the country.
I think probably Zambian President Michael Sata chosed white vice President Guy Scott because he was the best qualified and have a great character.thats not the first time that happened in the history of Africa.Black Pharaoh Amenhotep III had a semite Vizier/Prime minister name Yuya with long face, hook nose and soft hair.Yuya was one of the richest person in Egypt.Some say part of the story of biblical Joseph was base on him.The mummies of Yuya and his wife Tuya look very Semitic near white and was different from the regular Egyptian.
We have talked about Yuya many times and no his mummy does not "PROVE" he was white as there are many Africans in the Nile Valley with similar features.
But the point here is that Guy Scott represents the upper class power structure of white folks that STILL controls the economic system and political system of Africa to this day. They only stepped back and allowed black politicians to take center stage in order to make everybody believe that something actually changed. But it hasn't. And the idea behind this is that they use the black politicians as punching bags and whipping boys for all the social and economic policies that WHITE people put into place that keep black people down in Africa. So the Jacob Zumas and other flunkies get all the blame for the hardships, while the whites are shielded from view. Then, these same people wait until black folks are fed up with their puppets and then put themselves out there as saviors, when in reality THEY are the ones who have been running things all along. He is basically a white settler landowner who is responsible for kicking the blacks off their lands and creating huge mega plantations to grow food and other crops for export. Period. He has more wealth and power than the President can imagine and is simply playing a con game on gullible Africans. Keep in mind that Zambia was once called Upper Rhodesia and all the whites there are simply an extension of the same Anglo Dutch settler force that controls the land and wealth throughout Southern Africa. Zambia just like most African nations is simply one big settler plantation with the Africans treated as squatters due to the colonial policy of evicting Africans off the land to make way for plantations, hunting resorts and mines.
quote:Originally posted by mena7: Im surprise Zambia have a white vice president.Usualy people put their race in the top level of governement.In Europe, Latin America, North Africa, West Asia, India, China, Australia the top level of governement are occupied by people of the same race then the majority of the people in the country.
I think probably Zambian President Michael Sata chosed white vice President Guy Scott because he was the best qualified and have a great character.thats not the first time that happened in the history of Africa.Black Pharaoh Amenhotep III had a semite Vizier/Prime minister name Yuya with long face, hook nose and soft hair.Yuya was one of the richest person in Egypt.Some say part of the story of biblical Joseph was base on him.The mummies of Yuya and his wife Tuya look very Semitic near white and was different from the regular Egyptian.
We have talked about Yuya many times and no his mummy does not "PROVE" he was white as there are many Africans in the Nile Valley with similar features.
But the point here is that Guy Scott represents the upper class power structure of white folks that STILL controls the economic system and political system of Africa to this day. They only stepped back and allowed black politicians to take center stage in order to make everybody believe that something actually changed. But it hasn't. And the idea behind this is that they use the black politicians as punching bags and whipping boys for all the social and economic policies that WHITE people put into place that keep black people down in Africa. So the Jacob Zumas and other flunkies get all the blame for the hardships, while the whites are shielded from view. Then, these same people wait until black folks are fed up with their puppets and then put themselves out there as saviors, when in reality THEY are the ones who have been running things all along. He is basically a white settler landowner who is responsible for kicking the blacks off their lands and creating huge mega plantations to grow food and other crops for export. Period. He has more wealth and power than the President can imagine and is simply playing a con game on gullible Africans. Keep in mind that Zambia was once called Upper Rhodesia and all the whites there are simply an extension of the same Anglo Dutch settler force that controls the land and wealth throughout Southern Africa. Zambia just like most African nations is simply one big settler plantation with the Africans treated as squatters due to the colonial policy of evicting Africans off the land to make way for plantations, hunting resorts and mines.
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As a matter of fact, I am so crazy I would think this is an all-white, mostly white school smack dab in the heart of Africa with white kids living large....
quote: So-called "basic schools" teach years one to nine, as year nine is considered to be a decent level of schooling for the majority of children. However, schooling is only free up to year seven and most children drop out then.
Both government and private schools exist in Zambia. Education is difficult for the government of Zambia to provide because of the very small tax base of the economy. Without money to buy equipment schools must operate with meager resources.The private school system began largely as a result of Christian mission efforts during the late 19th and early 20th centuries.Students are not receiving the help that is require because of the economic system being trumped by the government and since the taxes in Zambia are increasing higher, it is a 74% chance of all boys and girls not attending to Middle School or High School. One of the most famous private schools is the Roman Catholic-run St Mary's Seminary in Eastern Province. The majority of the Zambia population are very poorly and cannot afford the education for their children. Private schools operate under either the British or American way of schooling.
But the point here is that Guy Scott represents the upper class power structure of white folks that STILL controls the economic system and political system of Africa to this day. They only stepped back and allowed black politicians to take center stage in order to make everybody believe that something actually changed. But it hasn't. And the idea behind this is that they use the black politicians as punching bags and whipping boys for all the social and economic policies that WHITE people put into place that keep black people down in Africa. So the Jacob Zumas and other flunkies get all the blame for the hardships, while the whites are shielded from view. Then, these same people wait until black folks are fed up with their puppets and then put themselves out there as saviors, when in reality THEY are the ones who have been running things all along. He is basically a white settler landowner who is responsible for kicking the blacks off their lands and creating huge mega plantations to grow food and other crops for export. Period. He has more wealth and power than the President can imagine and is simply playing a con game on gullible Africans. Keep in mind that Zambia was once called Upper Rhodesia and all the whites there are simply an extension of the same Anglo Dutch settler force that controls the land and wealth throughout Southern Africa. Zambia just like most African nations is simply one big settler plantation with the Africans treated as squatters due to the colonial policy of evicting Africans off the land to make way for plantations, hunting resorts and mines.
Doug might be right. I don't know enough about Zambia to judge
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You care more about the few whites who are poor in Africa and knew full well what they were getting into when they went there than you do for your own people who are in poverty and suffering because these people robbed them?
Seriously?
So because a few white folks are broke that makes everything even now?
Come on man you are looney tunes and a perfect example of the dumb behind attitude that keeps black folks backwards....
Yeah poor suffering white folks:
Don't feel bad for the slaves, I mean the natives, they are happy as can be:
Oh but wait the slaves, I mean, servants, sorry I mean native blacks are doing great!
quote: Deputy minister in the Office of the Vice President Harry Kalaba has urged people not to panic on the anticipated hunger situation in the country this year.
Kalaba said government will soon conduct an assessment of the possible hunger situation and find ways of addressing any problems. He said government will ensure that no one dies from hunger.
Ever since the PF government came into power, they have grossly mismanaged the agriculture sector that has resulted in shortage of mealie meal, late delivery of the agriculture inputs among others.
Despite inheriting a bumper harvest from the MMD government, the PF has failed to harness the sector and has instead inflicted stressful conditions in people's living standards.
MMD vice-president for administration Brian Chituwo has since advised government to conduct a comprehensive crop survey in order to plan for the year.
Dr Chituwo said the food situation is a source of worry under the PF government and that many people that depend on farming will be affected by hunger this year.
Meanwhile the poor suffering whites and Indians are trying to build luxury hospitals for themselves....
quote: Rajan Mahtani, the controversial multi-millionaire financier of the ruling Patriotic Front party, is being sued by a South African lending institution over a failed project to build a luxury medical care center near the Kenneth Kaunda International Airport in Lusaka.
According to an investigative article published today in the Mail & Guardian, Mahtani had been approached in 2008 by the British businessman Steven Singleton to be his local partner to bring a “South African-style” elite hospital to Lusaka.
The need for such a facility was evident: Zambians have spent millions on medical care in South Africa and India in recent years. A top notch care unit could become a referral hub for many visiting patients from the central Africa region. And Zambia’s very basic facilities often require multinationals to locate the families of their executives in South Africa.
Singleton’s business plan may have been sound, but evidently he ended up picking the wrong partner in Mahtani.
According to the Mail & Guardian, in order to secure financing for the 160-bed hospital, which would feature an intensive care unit and five operating theatres, Singleton and Mahtani formed the Lusaka Premier Health Clinic (LPHC) Ltd, and began making deals with consultants and construction contractors.
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Doug you are obviously annoyed by the picture of your people in poverty.
Yet you call Black people slaves but your people are heading into a 1000 years of slavery each day.
Listening to you one would think Muurs are all destitute in Africa whereas your albino fathers are living it off.
That is a waaay off exaggeration. The elites class who control the world live it off from China to India. The poor are poor all over the world.
It is more than skin colour.
In Africa I have seen so-called whites begging on the streets.
In North America I have seen white people picking the trash from my garbage can. I can take pictures of them and post for you too.
Ofcourse there are Black riche in South Africa, Zambia, and all over Africa.
Michael Sata is the boss in Zambia. Here you start pissing your pants about the Deputy PM of Zambia, yet the overall boss is a Black Socialist.
What the heck are you rambling with your evil chants about poor black people? Cry for your white cagot trash brethrens ok? WE the Black people of this world are moving on into the great future.
Your types are closet Nazis who will go down to their 1000 years of slavery.
Muur riche Black folks of South Africa:
South African Black Shoe designers making millions of dollars in the fashion Industry. The powerful millionaire couple Phindi and Tshepo Kgaudi
Richard Maponya, millionaire businessman
Lebo Gunzala 27 year old multi-millionaire South Africa
Patrick Mosepe billionaire, South Africa
And Muur and Muur......
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I'm not going to argue on Black vs. White in Zambia pictures don't resolve the matter. There needs to be some data. Yes there has been a history of gross exploitation and some remainng descemdants of it. Kick all the white people out of Africa? maybe.
Anyway from an African American perspective anybody doing farm work as pickers looks like slavery but that is very relative. However if we look to precolonial Africa and early America most people were doing farm work all day. So if you show a woman picking tobacco if whites never had colonized parts of Africa that woman may have been picking some other crop to supprt her family and village. This is what most people did in pre-modern no electricty and gas agarian societies. People only started leaving the fields when factories and modern agricultural technology came in. Had Africa never been touched by Europeans it's impossible to say how it would look today. A woman picking tobacco is not necessary "slavery". These terms should not be thrown around casually. What is her standard of living picking tobacco versus if she was farming a mixture of crops for just a small part of a village? I don't know. Tractors run on petroleum and are made in industrial factories.
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Why are you so happy about this when most blacks in Zambia are simply backwards, landless, powerless and in poverty? What the hell is it with black folks not being able to love their own inner (SUN), SON or WISDOM versus only acknowledging the SON, SON or WISDOM of those OUTSIDE of themselves?
And most of these clowns don't even know what cognitive science is
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Poor whites of Zimbabwe
Doug you are obviously annoyed by the picture of your people in poverty.
Yet you call Black people slaves but your people are heading into a 1000 years of slavery each day.
Listening to you one would think Muurs are all destitute in Africa whereas your albino fathers are living it off.
That is a waaay off exaggeration. The elites class who control the world live it off from China to India. The poor are poor all over the world.
It is more than skin colour.
In Africa I have seen so-called whites begging on the streets.
In North America I have seen white people picking the trash from my garbage can. I can take pictures of them and post for you too.
Ofcourse there are Black riche in South Africa, Zambia, and all over Africa.
Michael Sata is the boss in Zambia. Here you start pissing your pants about the Deputy PM of Zambia, yet the overall boss is a Black Socialist.
What the heck are you rambling with your evil chants about poor black people? Cry for your white cagot trash brethrens ok? WE the Black people of this world are moving on into the great future.
Your types are closet Nazis who will go down to their 1000 years of slavery.
Muur riche Black folks of South Africa:
South African Black Shoe designers making millions of dollars in the fashion Industry. The powerful millionaire couple Phindi and Tshepo Kgaudi
Richard Maponya, millionaire businessman
Lebo Gunzala 27 year old multi-millionaire South Africa
Patrick Mosepe billionaire, South Africa
And Muur and Muur......
The fact is that most Africans in Africa today live in poverty, even in Egypt. Just like most black folks in the WORLD live in poverty and most of that poverty is directly related to racism and white supremacy. A few token rich black people doesn't change the fact that most blacks are still in poverty and still enslaved (working for next to nothing on white owned farms or even corporate slaves).
Simply put you live in denial by trying to pretend that white folks are your brethren and one of you and their suffering is the same as your suffering and that we are all on the same level.
Point blank that is nonsense and I can get any amount of facts and evidence to back it up.
So I guess we should just ignore the article below because Chinese and whites are Muurs and our brethren now huh?
quote: (Johannesburg) – Workers in the copper mining sector in Zambia remain vulnerable to abuse. New Human Rights Watch research found that the government of President Michael Sata, who promised to prioritize labor rights when he took office in September 2011, has made some improvements in supporting the oversight of the mines, but there remains inadequate enforcement of national labor laws designed to protect workers’ rights.
Human Rights Watch published a report in November 2011 documenting labor rights abuses at four Zambian subsidiaries of China Non-Ferrous Metal Mining Corporation (CNMC), a state-owned enterprise under the authority of China’s highest executive body, the State Council. In follow-up research in October 2012, Human Rights Watch found that CNMC’s subsidiaries made some notable improvements on reducing work hours and respecting freedom of association, but that miners continued to face poor health and safety conditions and threats by managers if they tried to assert their rights. The Zambian government has not adequately intervened to address these problems, Human Rights Watch found.
“President Sata ran on a populist campaign to protect workers, so the lack of meaningful progress in the mining sector is disappointing,” said Daniel Bekele, Africa director at Human Rights Watch. “Although CNMC’s subsidiaries have addressed some of the labor rights abuses documented by Human Rights Watch in 2011, the miners still face significant health and safety risks.”
In October, Human Rights Watch interviewed 31 miners from the four CNMC-run copper-mining operations: Non-Ferrous China Africa (NFCA), an underground mine; Chambishi Copper Smelter (CCS), a copper smelting plant; Sino Metals, a copper processing plant; and China Luanshya Mine, an underground and surface pit mine. Human Rights Watch also spoke with national union representatives, government officials, diplomats, and officials from international organizations working on labor issues in Zambia.
Now mining is a energy intensive and infrastructure intensive operation. You need LOTS of electricity to process the ore. You need LOTS of diesel to operate the machinery and the tractors. You need roads and railroads. And LOTS of these things were built by the whites over the last 100 or more years in Africa. Yet and still African PEOPLE live in horrible conditions with little or no infrastructure while you say they are heading into the future but don't own or control their own land or resources. The only future you see is working for whites and being with whites. Never do anything or own anything for yourself, especially things that are RIGHTFULLY YOURS but stolen from you by someone else.
quote: The Open Pits at Nchanga Mine are situated in a crescent shaped structure 11 km long around the municipal town of Chingola in Zambia. Covering nearly 30 km˛ it is the second largest open cast mine in the world.[1] The deepest part of the pit is 400 m lower than the surrounding plateau.
Open Pit mining at Nchanga started in 1955, in the main Nchanga Open Pit. Subsequently, nine medium sized open pits, called satellite pits, have also been mined at one time or the other.
At present, mining is concentrated on the main Nchanga pit, with satellite planned for future extensions, as economics and processing technological developments unfold. Together they are termed generically as the Nchanga Open Pits.
Yet how much of that copper is used to build infrastructure for Africans? Let alone how much of that money goes to Africans?
Sure, we are all brothers and sisters of the earth and we all came from Africa, but that doesn't change history now does it?
You have to love yourself before you love anyone else. Loving everyone else and not yourself is not love it is self hate. No "God" ever said love those who do evil and walk all over you and destroy YOU "Gods" creation. No religion on earth except the nonsense that Africans have been given. You can love these other people all you want but they will not return it. They didn't love you when they got to Africa 500 years ago and they don't love you now, not in any REAL sense. If Africans in the world spent as much time and effort building for themselves, standing up for their rights and what is rightfully theirs as they do trying to show how they can be fake whites and love everyone else but themselves, they would be a WHOLE LOT better off today and get a lot more respect.
IronLion your whole script was given to you by white people. Africans were making shoes many thousands of years ago. So these cannot be the "first" African shoe designers. Africans making money is not the cause of the whites being in poverty. They shouldn't be there in the first place. So why should I feel sympathy? Do Africans get treated fairly in Europe? Do Africans get treated fairly in Asia? But these thieves go to Africa with the explicit intention to steal from Africans and you have sympathy for them.....
I have no problem saying point blank that my first primary concern is for those who have been dispossessed and robbed by hundreds of years of white supremacy, racism and economic exploitation in Africa, which are the Africans. THOSE are the only victims I care about and THEY come before everyone else in the sense of JUSTICE and what is right. Caring about European settlers and their Asian lackeys that they brought in to keep Africans down and not the African people who suffered the most is just stupid nonsense. Africans didn't invite those people there, white European corporations and governments did and therefore let them go to them and get the money to go back to Europe or Asia. Their suffering is not the responsibility of Africans, especially when Africans are running around trying to show how much they LOVE these people and care so much about their suffering, while not CARING about the suffering of their OWN PEOPLE. NO OTHER people on earth think like that except bonehead black people and that is why EVERYONE ELSE is better off than Africans.
In this day and time it is about being conscious about the facts of history and the present in order to make the right decisions on future course. Living in denial only promotes ignorance which holds you back from any kind of future.
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Poor whites of Zimbabwe
Doug you are obviously annoyed by the picture of your people in poverty.
Yet you call Black people slaves but your people are heading into a 1000 years of slavery each day.
Listening to you one would think Muurs are all destitute in Africa whereas your albino fathers are living it off.
That is a waaay off exaggeration. The elites class who control the world live it off from China to India. The poor are poor all over the world.
It is more than skin colour.
In Africa I have seen so-called whites begging on the streets.
In North America I have seen white people picking the trash from my garbage can. I can take pictures of them and post for you too.
Ofcourse there are Black riche in South Africa, Zambia, and all over Africa.
Michael Sata is the boss in Zambia. Here you start pissing your pants about the Deputy PM of Zambia, yet the overall boss is a Black Socialist.
What the heck are you rambling with your evil chants about poor black people? Cry for your white cagot trash brethrens ok? WE the Black people of this world are moving on into the great future.
Your types are closet Nazis who will go down to their 1000 years of slavery.
Muur riche Black folks of South Africa:
South African Black Shoe designers making millions of dollars in the fashion Industry. The powerful millionaire couple Phindi and Tshepo Kgaudi
Richard Maponya, millionaire businessman
Lebo Gunzala 27 year old multi-millionaire South Africa
Patrick Mosepe billionaire, South Africa
And Muur and Muur......
The fact is that most Africans in Africa today live in poverty, even in Egypt. Just like most black folks in the WORLD live in poverty and most of that poverty is directly related to racism and white supremacy. .....
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And there is the root of all your ignorance. Your lil albino arse sitting there in England would like to believe that Muurs are all destitutes.
No Cagot, it is your people who are really destitute vagabonds living only on debts and credit cards.
If you ever visited Africa, you would apologise for such slur.
Kendo has tried to educate you about the true situations in Africa. But your little cagotic arse would rather live in fairy land make believe fantasy.
I am from Africa and I have lots of assets in cash and resources.
I have lots and lots of millionaire friends.
I know thousands of well heeled African professionals living it up in the west.
If you are on dole in England, don't blame the blacks for it. Blame yourself and your lazy arse.
Besides material well, we have so much spiritual and psychological satisfaction in Africa you would not even begin to fathom.
I have lived in Africa and I have lived in the west. All conditions are relative.
Guy Scott is an African even if his skin is pale. Not every white man is rich, and not every white man is connected with the ruling class agenda.
You philosophy is weak and uninformed. It sounds confused unfocussed and spiteful.
You are yet to confess what your true problems are.
For us Africans, we are facing our challenges daily as we move boldly into the future. All children of Africa are welcome to come join the struggle. White, Indian, Muurs, all fought together for Africa's liberation.
Did you ever hear of Joe Slovo, a white boy who gave his life for Africans. Did you ever hear of John Brown, a white boy still marching on with the field Niggers.
Doug, don't bother confuse issues with spamming silly "Human Right Watch" articles.
Save up 800 pounds sterling and take a trip to Zambia and enlighten your cagotic arse.
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And you want to know why the South African economy is not creating jobs? Isn't it obvious? Because it is a settler colonial economy designed only to produce enough "jobs" which are actually slave jobs, to export all the wealth and resources out of Africa. This "economy" is not designed to produce and build up the well being, wealth and infrastructure for Africans. That is why you got all kinds of mines and industry in South Africa to build almost anything but Africans still live in tin shacks. And that is because the economy isn't a real "economy" as in providing for the benefit and well being of "the people" through trade and commerce. It is a vulture or vampire economy designed to provide for the benefit and well being of a few whites and other lackeys at the expense of everyone else.
If they were to start a rebuilding program TODAY with a 50 year plan to rebuild, redevelop and resettle all the Africans out of the shanty towns and informal settlements they live in and build real cities and towns with proper infrastructure, there would be more than enough jobs to go around. Not to mention it would require education and training for doctors, lawyers, engineers and architects to build this new nation. But Africans won't do that because they are in the pockets of the whites who control everything. And the whites are preaching this nonsense that by being wage slaves working for pennies on a dollar on some farm (which is basically slavery) you will somehow move up.... Move up to what? Basically it is a consumerist paradigm where the whites control the jobs, industry and the wealth and blacks just get tokens and trinkets they buy from the company store. Any money they get goes right back to the whites and their corporations so they aren't really losing anything. But this is the sad state that most blacks live in world wide. And this is why it is a white economist talking about job creation in A MAJORITY BLACK COUNTRY. How on earth does that even make sense?
But of course some clowns view progress as all the white settlers getting the good jobs while blacks simply continue to work as slaves:
Where is the program to train Africans to be doctors,engineers, pharmacists, lawyers and accountants? Nowhere because these white clowns want to keep that for themselves.
And that is what you get when you leave your economy in the hands of whites who have historically used it to enrich themselves and other whites or Asian lackeys and not blacks.... But sure, we are all brethren moving ahead together. RIGHT.
Even the South African millionaire Lebo Gunguluza doesn't believe the nonsense you are talking about. It is funny to hear the black folks talk around the fact that they live in an economic system that is MAN MADE and DESIGNED to keep them down. But they like to parrot these white "talking points" that somehow their being disadvantaged is not somehow the whites fault. Yeah it is all simply a natural occurrence. So lets all play make pretend that blacks and whites are on the same level and equally competing on a even playing field.... God forbid that you actually stand up and demand your rights from those who have been stealing from you. God forbid that you actually call them thieves. Don't do that. God wont like that.
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Poor whites of Zimbabwe
Doug you are obviously annoyed by the picture of your people in poverty.
Yet you call Black people slaves but your people are heading into a 1000 years of slavery each day.
Listening to you one would think Muurs are all destitute in Africa whereas your albino fathers are living it off.
That is a waaay off exaggeration. The elites class who control the world live it off from China to India. The poor are poor all over the world.
It is more than skin colour.
In Africa I have seen so-called whites begging on the streets.
In North America I have seen white people picking the trash from my garbage can. I can take pictures of them and post for you too.
Ofcourse there are Black riche in South Africa, Zambia, and all over Africa.
Michael Sata is the boss in Zambia. Here you start pissing your pants about the Deputy PM of Zambia, yet the overall boss is a Black Socialist.
What the heck are you rambling with your evil chants about poor black people? Cry for your white cagot trash brethrens ok? WE the Black people of this world are moving on into the great future.
Your types are closet Nazis who will go down to their 1000 years of slavery.
Muur riche Black folks of South Africa:
South African Black Shoe designers making millions of dollars in the fashion Industry. The powerful millionaire couple Phindi and Tshepo Kgaudi
Richard Maponya, millionaire businessman
Lebo Gunzala 27 year old multi-millionaire South Africa
Patrick Mosepe billionaire, South Africa
And Muur and Muur......
The fact is that most Africans in Africa today live in poverty, even in Egypt. Just like most black folks in the WORLD live in poverty and most of that poverty is directly related to racism and white supremacy. .....
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And there is the root of all your ignorance. Your lil albino arse sitting there in England would like to believe that Muurs are all destitutes.
No Cagot, it is your people who are really destitute vagabonds living only on debts and credit cards.
If you ever visited Africa, you would apologise for such slur.
Kendo has tried to educate you about the true situations in Africa. But your little cagotic arse would rather live in fairy land make believe fantasy.
I am from Africa and I have lots of assets in cash and resources.
I have lots and lots of millionaire friends.
I know thousands of well heeled African professionals living it up in the west.
If you are on dole in England, don't blame the blacks for it. Blame yourself and your lazy arse.
Besides material well, we have so much spiritual and psychological satisfaction in Africa you would not even begin to fathom.
I have lived in Africa and I have lived in the west. All conditions are relative.
Guy Scott is an African even if his skin is pale. Not every white man is rich, and not every white man is connected with the ruling class agenda.
You philosophy is weak and uninformed. It sounds confused unfocussed and spiteful.
You are yet to confess what your true problems are.
For us Africans, we are facing our challenges daily as we move boldly into the future. All children of Africa are welcome to come join the struggle. White, Indian, Muurs, all fought together for Africa's liberation.
Did you ever hear of Joe Slovo, a white boy who gave his life for Africans. Did you ever hear of John Brown, a white boy still marching on with the field Niggers.
Doug, don't bother confuse issues with spamming silly "Human Right Watch" articles.
Save up 800 pounds sterling and take a trip to Zambia and enlighten your cagotic arse.
Yeah sure IronLion. We are all brothers black and white and just one big happy family.
And actually you represent the attitude of the majority of black people world wide, which is pure fantasy world nonsense that gets them NOWHERE. But you know what? They think and act just like whites, fake whites because that is who taught them, trained them and gave them religion.
And yes you are right, the ANC was created by white communists which is exactly why it has done NOTHING for black people overall in South Africa. But hey, these whites with swastikas, feeding your people to dogs are your brethren. Lets just forget that and be happy!
As a matter of fact, the ANC was founded as part of a "rainbow" coalition of whites and Indians as part of a voting rights block. It was NEVER EVER set up to be a black majority party intended to uplift and empower the blacks. It was a love everybody and everything party we are all one party. In fact, they even merged with the National party, the party of the racists. So while I disagree with you, the point is this is EXACTLY the agenda of the whites, which is to promote this nonsense, KUMBAYAH we are one love everybody nonsense while blacks have nothing and whites got everything. And the facts on the ground prove me right from the fact that whites control over 90% of the economy in Africa to the fact that even the poorest black folks still love white folks all of it part of a conscious plan by the elite whites to maintain power, with the sell out Nelson Mandela being the key to the whole plan.
You know it kills me to hear people talk about carjackings and violence in South Africa and how it is so bad (which it is) but they don't talk about how whites carjacked their whole nation and that is OK..... Sad. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Period. And anyone who does wrong should be punished, black or white. If you love the whites after the crimes they committed then nobody should go to jail for anything by that logic.
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Iron Lion is right not every thing is negative in Africa. you have white and black people making money and you have poor black and poor white people.The capitalist system is a pyramid you have a lot of poor at the bottom, a medium size of people in the middle and a few rich at the top.The goal is to get more people in the middle and ameliorate the living condition of the poor.
News about Africa need to be balance.There are good thing happening in Africa and there are bad thing happening in Africa.The future look bright for Africa because African are a conscious people now.
I understand Zambian President Sata having a white vice President. Pres Sata judge white vice Pres Guy Scott on is character not in the color of his skin.As a black person living in the USA sometime I meet nice white people and somtime I meet rude and nasty black people.Sometime I meet racist white people and sometime I meet nice black people.You cant judge people on skin color alone you have to study their character first.
Iron Lion great post on Ancient Rome in Rasta live wire.You have a new interpretation of Roman history.you stated Rome was a Carthagenian colony and the punic war was a war of Roman independance from Carthage.You stated the patrician class of Rome was heavily Moors (black) and the plebeian class were pale mulato like Pakistani.The white race came later to Rome as a race of worker and slave. I think that version of Roman history is the real Roman history not the mainstream version.Iron Lion where did you get that info.
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You really think your fake ass albino God created everything. According to your logic, white supremacy/God created apartheid and it also created the ANC and Nelson Mandela which destroyed apartheid.
Your logic is confused, and you sound disaffected.
I want to show you another reality. The economic agenda of Rastafari is not to find a job to become an "employee". That is all I have ever heard you and yourilks whine about here, no "employee"!
The economic liberation of Africa comes from each finding within his mind, that bottomless well of resourcefulness and creativity to become self-reliant and self gratified.
Your model of good life is western and european. That is how I know you are either an albino or a lost and disaffected mulatto without culture. It is a flawed model that leads only to suicide and self destruction.
The land of Africa cannot be stolen away to anywhere. It will remain in Africa.
The resources of Africa have been in laid since creation. They are infinite, because they come from infinity and their purpose is to serve infinity.
Wealth is not silver and gold alone. true wealth cannot be measured by the United Nations Index of Social Development. It is the children you have, the goats in your shed, how full is your barn, how secure you are, your sense of community and well being.
True wealth is culture! Africa has what matters that is why we love everyone, cause we feel love and joy everytime.
Those your albino cousins you so envy, those you think they have everything, they commit the most suicide. Why? Why is it the richer a so-called white country nation/state the more the suicide rate?
But I need to bring you back to reality. Here read this:
quote: It seems that lots of so-called white people are either not having fun or their life is full of guilt.
It is a known that the suicide rate disparity between so-called whites and so-called black males in North America is simply shocking. Many studies have under-stated the ratio as being 28:1. For every 28 white male that commits suicide there is 1 black male.
Shocking. You would begin to wonder, what’s wrong with the so-called white boys?
Well it is even more shocking when you consider the 1992 suicide statistics for United States by race.In 1992, 90% of all the suicides was committed by so-called white people. 78% represented so-called white males and 12% represented so-called white females. Hardly any so-called black featured on the blip in the 1992 studies. Most common cause of death is by firearms. See S. Patrick Kachur et al; Suicide in America 1982 -1992
Only the so-called native Americans seem to match the propensity of the so-called white American male for killing himself.
Stranger yet is the new report circulating online that he suicide rate among middle-aged so-called white Americans rose by 28% in last decade.
A new report from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) has found that among adults between the ages of 35-64, white people and American Indians saw the sharpest increases from 1999 to 2010.
It is significant to note that since 2009, suicide has claimed more Americans yearly than motor vehicle crashes. It does not sound like it is Christmas in God’s own country.
In 2010, there were 38,350 suicides, making it America’s 10th leading cause of death.
Experts are unsure why so-called white people have a disproportionately steep rate of suicide.
quote:Originally posted by mena7: Iron Lion is right not every thing is negative in Africa. you have white and black people making money and you have poor black and poor white people.The capitalist system is a pyramid you have a lot of poor at the bottom, a medium size of people in the middle and a few rich at the top.The goal is to get more people in the middle and ameliorate the living condition of the poor.
News about Africa need to be balance.There are good thing happening in Africa and there are bad thing happening in Africa.The future look bright for Africa because African are a conscious people now.
I understand Zambian President Sata having a white vice President. Pres Sata judge white vice Pres Guy Scott on is character not in the color of his skin.As a black person living in the USA sometime I meet nice white people and somtime I meet rude and nasty black people.Sometime I meet racist white people and sometime I meet nice black people.You cant judge people on skin color alone you have to study their character first.
Iron Lion great post on Ancient Rome in Rasta live wire.You have a new interpretation of Roman history.you stated Rome was a Carthagenian colony and the punic war was a war of Roman independance from Carthage.You stated the patrician class of Rome was heavily Moors (black) and the plebeian class were pale mulato like Pakistani.The white race came later to Rome as a race of worker and slave. I think that version of Roman history is the real Roman history not the mainstream version.Iron Lion where did you get that info.
Thanks Mena7.
Some older Rastaman who have seen pages of manuscript hidden away in the Vatican library, taught me that. he showed me the reality of old Rome.
Then I took a stock, and re-read my older history books and discovery that the Rastaman was right as usual.
BTW did you notice this picture in the article below the one you read? It is from Novgorod Russia depicting 40 Roman Soldiers martyred for their christian beliefs?
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And this one is for Misreable Doug the Misraelite who believes that everything bad is Black and everything enjoyable is white.
Tell me why your Riche and joyful cousins have turned so suicidal and mournful:
Lots of People are committing Suicide in Babylon! – Jahdey
In 2009, 32,845 Japanese people killed themselves. For more than 12 straight years, the number of annual suicide in Japan has been above 30,000 threshold.
It works out at 88 suicides every single day. That is a lot of people who appear to be fed up with their lives.
The rich west has the highest suicide rates of all the world’s countries. In Japan, suicide is endemic.
South Korea also has a very high rate of suicide and that country has a comparable social structure as Japan.
In Sweden, Lithuania, in the U.K and United States, the suicide rates are equally alarming as the rates in Japan and Korea.
Yet, in 2009, in Haiti, or Chad, Sudan, Congo or Saharawi Republic, some of the world’s so-called poorest countries in the world, there was barely any suicide reported for the year. And so it has been for the past 12 straight years, prior to 2009, yes and even beyond to Adam.
Is it that life and livity is better in the so-called poorer countries than in the so-called rich countries?
What is it in so-called materially rich countries that causes those so many so-called successful people to take the horrific path of suicide?
Is living so hopeless in Babylon with its materialism that more than ONE MILLION people (when you factor in the rates in US, Britain, Sweden, Australia, Germany, France, Canada, Neatherland, Italy, Belgium, Russia, Israel, etc…etc) kill themselves each year?
Is someone being conned and deceived about the reality in Babylon?
Rasta add two and two together and sum up the answer.
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another way of commiting suicide is if you know somebody carries a gun and you purposely insult and threaten that person. Sometimes they shoot you
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IronLion I agree wealth is not in silver and gold alone. True wealth cant be measure by the UN social development index.True wealth is your children, your family, your security, your house.True wealth is culture.The land of Africa cant be stolen away to anywhere it will remain in Africa.
The Buddhist Himalayan country of Bhutan created a GHP index or gross happiness product meaning how happy are its people as oppose to the GDP index who measure how rich is the people of a country.
Kung Fu Tzu or Confucius stated you can find pleasure in every little thing.I agree I feel wealthy and extremely happy looking at the pictures of Ancient black King/Queen and priest of the world.If the governement know that they will tax the pictures.Probably Mike feel the same way.
The real history of the world is oral because the world power will not allow scholars to write anykind of book.Im happy the Rasta Elder was lucky to read the rare Vatican manuscript about Rome black history.If you want to see the pictures of the bronze bust statues of ancient black Roman enter the word balsamarium in Google image.
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Well now, I have heard it all. So the debate is basically that whites have done nothing to blacks for them to be angry and want to whip their behinds over. And that all the stories of poor Africans are just fake propaganda and that Africans in Africa and everywhere else are just living great and whites have done nothing to keep them down. Blacks have as much money or more money than whites and run everything, with whites playing a small role in the economics of Africa. Whites and blacks are just one big happy family and Africans should not hate anyone and just be happy all the time.
Nothing is life is good and happy all the time and like I said before that nonsense attitude is what is keeping black people backwards.
They will fight each other tooth and nail and then turn around and say how much they LOOOOVE white folks and white folks can do no wrong.
And some folks on this forum are a perfect example of what I am talking about.
To hear them tell it slavery and colonialism weren't as bad as we think, certainly nothing to be mad at white people over....
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion: And this one is for Misreable Doug the Misraelite who believes that everything bad is Black and everything enjoyable is white.
Tell me why your Riche and joyful cousins have turned so suicidal and mournful:
Lots of People are committing Suicide in Babylon! – Jahdey
In 2009, 32,845 Japanese people killed themselves. For more than 12 straight years, the number of annual suicide in Japan has been above 30,000 threshold.
It works out at 88 suicides every single day. That is a lot of people who appear to be fed up with their lives.
The rich west has the highest suicide rates of all the world’s countries. In Japan, suicide is endemic.
South Korea also has a very high rate of suicide and that country has a comparable social structure as Japan.
In Sweden, Lithuania, in the U.K and United States, the suicide rates are equally alarming as the rates in Japan and Korea.
Yet, in 2009, in Haiti, or Chad, Sudan, Congo or Saharawi Republic, some of the world’s so-called poorest countries in the world, there was barely any suicide reported for the year. And so it has been for the past 12 straight years, prior to 2009, yes and even beyond to Adam.
Is it that life and livity is better in the so-called poorer countries than in the so-called rich countries?
What is it in so-called materially rich countries that causes those so many so-called successful people to take the horrific path of suicide?
Is living so hopeless in Babylon with its materialism that more than ONE MILLION people (when you factor in the rates in US, Britain, Sweden, Australia, Germany, France, Canada, Neatherland, Italy, Belgium, Russia, Israel, etc…etc) kill themselves each year?
Is someone being conned and deceived about the reality in Babylon?
Rasta add two and two together and sum up the answer.
quote:Originally posted by mena7: IronLion I agree wealth is not in silver and gold alone. True wealth cant be measure by the UN social development index.True wealth is your children, your family, your security, your house.True wealth is culture.The land of Africa cant be stolen away to anywhere it will remain in Africa.
The Buddhist Himalayan country of Bhutan created a GHP index or gross happiness product meaning how happy are its people as oppose to the GDP index who measure how rich is the people of a country.
Kung Fu Tzu or Confucius stated you can find pleasure in every little thing.I agree I feel wealthy and extremely happy looking at the pictures of Ancient black King/Queen and priest of the world.If the governement know that they will tax the pictures.Probably Mike feel the same way.
The real history of the world is oral because the world power will not allow scholars to write anykind of book.Im happy the Rasta Elder was lucky to read the rare Vatican manuscript about Rome black history.If you want to see the pictures of the bronze bust statues of ancient black Roman enter the word balsamarium in Google image.
Good reference source - balsamarium.
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion: And this one is for Misreable Doug the Misraelite who believes that everything bad is Black and everything enjoyable is white.
Tell me why your Riche and joyful cousins have turned so suicidal and mournful:
Lots of People are committing Suicide in Babylon! – Jahdey
In 2009, 32,845 Japanese people killed themselves. For more than 12 straight years, the number of annual suicide in Japan has been above 30,000 threshold.
It works out at 88 suicides every single day. That is a lot of people who appear to be fed up with their lives.
The rich west has the highest suicide rates of all the world’s countries. In Japan, suicide is endemic.
South Korea also has a very high rate of suicide and that country has a comparable social structure as Japan.
In Sweden, Lithuania, in the U.K and United States, the suicide rates are equally alarming as the rates in Japan and Korea.
Yet, in 2009, in Haiti, or Chad, Sudan, Congo or Saharawi Republic, some of the world’s so-called poorest countries in the world, there was barely any suicide reported for the year. And so it has been for the past 12 straight years, prior to 2009, yes and even beyond to Adam.
Is it that life and livity is better in the so-called poorer countries than in the so-called rich countries?
What is it in so-called materially rich countries that causes those so many so-called successful people to take the horrific path of suicide?
Is living so hopeless in Babylon with its materialism that more than ONE MILLION people (when you factor in the rates in US, Britain, Sweden, Australia, Germany, France, Canada, Neatherland, Italy, Belgium, Russia, Israel, etc…etc) kill themselves each year?
Is someone being conned and deceived about the reality in Babylon?
Rasta add two and two together and sum up the answer.
Whats the big deal, what is he saying about South Africa(ns) that isnt true?
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Zambian gay couple rearrested after tipoff by relatives Two men from Kapiri Mposhi have been living together and now face charges of 'having sex against the order of nature'
David Smith, Africa correspondent The Guardian, Tuesday 7 May 2013 13.58 EDT
president Guy Scott claimed anti-gay laws were not a priority for Zambia, but that does not seem to be the evidence on the ground.
A Gay couple in Zambia has been arrested after police were tipped off about their relationship by one of the men's relatives, local media reported.
The crackdown comes weeks after a human rights activist was detained for publicly demanding that same sex relations be decriminalised.
James Mwape, 20, and 21-year-old Philip Mubiana, from the northern town of Kapiri Mposhi, are understood to have been living together for some time, according to Zambia News and Information Services (Zanis).
Standwell Lungu, police chief in Zambia's central province, was quoted as saying: "The two have been charged with the offence of sodomy or having sex against the order of nature contrary to the laws of Zambia.
"The relatives are the ones that reported the matter to the police."
Police claimed that Mubiana played the role of "wife" in the relationship and had been seen dressed in women's clothes. The case mirrors that of a gay couple in Malawi who in 2009 were jailed and ridiculed before receiving a presidential pardon.
On Tuesday, Zanis reported that the men had been rearrested and denied bail after "they were found in the act again" and would face further charges.
Lungu said medical tests proved that the men had sex. "We have revoked police bond and rearrested the two men for again engaging in the act which they were arrested on in the first place. They will remain in custody until they appear in court … We have given them more counts."
The couple are due to appear in court on Wednesday.
Last month, activist Paul Kasonkomona was arrested minutes after a live TV appearance in which he said homosexuality should no longer be outlawed.
In a recent interview with the Guardian, the Zambian vice-president, Guy Scott, defended the police action. "The problem with this guy going on television was that we had to do something because if we had done absolutely nothing we would have got a bollocking from all these evangelical churches plus damn idiots," he said. "On the other hand, we didn't want to give him a particularly hard ride."
Scott made clear that gay rights is not a priority in Zambia. "I think you've got so much cleaning up to do of killings and defilements and this and that, it's almost self indulgent to think, 'Well, why don't we sit here and talk about gay rights?'"
But Scott's claim that Zambia has a policy of "live and let live" appears to have been challenged by the latest arrests. It was also contradicted bky Chishimba Kambwili, the youth and sport minister, who recently told a radio programme: "We don't want Zambia's children to be taught any vice. We will not tolerate homosexuality. Those who want to promote homosexuality in Zambia are wasting their time. If anything, we are planning to stiffen laws against homosexuality."
Homosexuality is illegal in 37 African countries. In Zambia 98% of the population disapprove of homosexual behaviour, according to a 2010 survey, and newspaper headlines such as "cage homos" are commonplace.
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quote:Quote: Michael’s (Sata) very clever, he knows people tend to regard him as a racist because he talks rough.
“He’s usually tried it out on me already. He says things like, ‘What would you be if you weren’t white?’ I said, ‘The president?’ That shut him up.”
That statement by Sata has stuck in my craw since I first read it. What a fuching cop-out, here is a fuching African, IN Africa, complaining about White privilege IN Africa! And how the hell did the Whites GET that privilege? By kicking the sh1t out of worthless Africans of course! So what is this fool saying exactly?
The world shakes the heads at the performance of the Haitians, but at least the Haitians have an excuse, they were all alone, in a hostile environment, with no support and no resources.
Whereas Africans had all the resources and people that they could possibly need - so really - who did the worst? Next to American Albinos, Africans have to be the most delusional people on Earth!
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quote:Quote: Michael’s (Sata) very clever, he knows people tend to regard him as a racist because he talks rough.
“He’s usually tried it out on me already. He says things like, ‘What would you be if you weren’t white?’ I said, ‘The president?’ That shut him up.”
That statement by Sata has stuck in my craw since I first read it. What a fuching cop-out, here is a fuching African, IN Africa, complaining about White privilege IN Africa! And how the hell did the Whites GET that privilege? By kicking the sh1t out of worthless Africans of course! So what is this fool saying exactly?
The world shakes the heads at the performance of the Haitians, but at least the Haitians have an excuse, they were all alone, in a hostile environment, with no support and no resources.
Whereas Africans had all the resources and people that they could possibly need - so really - who did the worst? Next to American Albinos, Africans have to be the most delusional people on Earth!
Mike
This woman is the real leader of India. She is Italian. What comment would you have about that compared to Africa.
I am interested in hearing your response.
This man below, if you saw him would you call him black or white:
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side and front view, Master Fard Muhammad, founder of The Nation of Islam, according to the Nation Master Fard's father was a Black Arabian named Alfonso and his mother was a white woman nicknamed Baby Gee from the Caucus mountains. His father married the white woman so that the son who could bring the message would be less noticed in personal appearance
photo source: unitedblackamerica.com
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
B&W photo, can't say for sure. Certainly a mulatto, must allow self identification. [/QB]
Mulattoes tend to have afroish hair
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side and front view, Master Fard Muhammad, founder of The Nation of Islam, according to the Nation Master Fard's father was a Black Arabian named Alfonso and his mother was a white woman nicknamed Baby Gee from the Caucus mountains. His father married the white woman so that the son who could bring the message would be less noticed in personal appearance
photo source: unitedblackamerica.com
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
B&W photo, can't say for sure. Certainly a mulatto, must allow self identification.
Mulattoes tend to have afroish hair [/QB]
Lionese
That was the baddest black man that ever lived. The most dangerous Muur.
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Master Fard Muhammad is a metis or mulato (black blood) that look like a North african, a Southern Italian, a Southern Spanish and a Saudi Arabian.
I remember IronLion saying blackness is also in the bloodline not only in skin color. Maybe some of the monarch, noble and priesthood in the world follow that ideology.I remember watching the video Ring of Power by Grace Powers in youtube were the speaker states that the British Royal family is descendant of the Egyptian Hebrew Pharaoh (Atonist) and the Ptolemy.It is very strange that an Island country like Great Britain conquered and colonised North America, half of Africa, India, West Asia, Australia, Malaysia etc.According to Mtsar the British state symbols like the red cross come from the Nile Valle.
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That was the baddest black man that ever lived. The most dangerous Muur.
He is the God-father of you know who...
Is it possible he wasn't black at all?
You just cited that his father was a black Arab.
From what was told to me, he was part of the pantheon. [/QB]
In the 1920 United States Census he reported his race as white, his occupation as a proprietor of a restaurant, and gave his place of birth as New Zealand. He provided no known place of birth for his parents, nor his date of immigration.On June 5, 1924, one Wallie Dodd Ford was wed to Carmen Frevino (or Trevino) in Orange County, California. Ford reported he was a cook, age 26, born in Oregon, but living in Los Angeles. He reported he was of "Spanish" race. His parents names are given as Zaradodd Ford of "Madrad, Span" (presumably Madrid, Spain) and Babbjie. [4] In 1926, Ford was arrested and imprisoned for attempting to sell drugs to an undercover police officer, serving three years in San Quentin State Prison. After he was released in 1929, he disappeared from the public record until "Wallace Fard" was arrested in 1932. He was identified as Wallace Dodd Ford on the basis of photographs and matching fingerprints.
The Nation of Islam rejects this identification of Wallace Dodd Ford as Wallace Fard Muhammad, interpreting it as part of a smear campaign. They also say that he was born in 1877 (which would put him in his 50s when photographed), and that he came from Mecca.
1920 Federal U.S. Census, Los Angeles City, Enumeration District 206, Sheet 10B
California State Board of Health, County of Orange, Certificate of Marriage, Local Registered No. 1768, as located in "California, County Marriages, 1850-1952," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K8FM-5FP : accessed 05 Jan 2013), Wallie Dodd Ford and Carmen Frevino, 1924.
A Māori family stand in front of their rickety slab whare, in the King Country around 1900. Substandard housing contributed to illness and premature death for many Māori from the 19th century on. http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/photograph/26593/maori-dwellingPosts: 7419 | From: North America | Registered: Mar 2009
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That was the baddest black man that ever lived. The most dangerous Muur.
He is the God-father of you know who...
Is it possible he wasn't black at all?
You just cited that his father was a black Arab.
From what was told to me, he was part of the pantheon.
In the 1920 United States Census he reported his race as white, his occupation as a proprietor of a restaurant, and gave his place of birth as New Zealand. He provided no known place of birth for his parents, nor his date of immigration.On June 5, 1924, one Wallie Dodd Ford was wed to Carmen Frevino (or Trevino) in Orange County, California. Ford reported he was a cook, age 26, born in Oregon, but living in Los Angeles. He reported he was of "Spanish" race. His parents names are given as Zaradodd Ford of "Madrad, Span" (presumably Madrid, Spain) and Babbjie. [4] In 1926, Ford was arrested and imprisoned for attempting to sell drugs to an undercover police officer, serving three years in San Quentin State Prison. After he was released in 1929, he disappeared from the public record until "Wallace Fard" was arrested in 1932. He was identified as Wallace Dodd Ford on the basis of photographs and matching fingerprints.
The Nation of Islam rejects this identification of Wallace Dodd Ford as Wallace Fard Muhammad, interpreting it as part of a smear campaign. They also say that he was born in 1877 (which would put him in his 50s when photographed), and that he came from Mecca.
1920 Federal U.S. Census, Los Angeles City, Enumeration District 206, Sheet 10B
California State Board of Health, County of Orange, Certificate of Marriage, Local Registered No. 1768, as located in "California, County Marriages, 1850-1952," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K8FM-5FP : accessed 05 Jan 2013), Wallie Dodd Ford and Carmen Frevino, 1924.
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: ^^Why did you side step the question I asked you?
Why are your albino cousins committing suicide in the very rich western countries, if life were soooo gooood for them?
How come Africans are not killing themselves off if life were sooo baad for them?
Doug, you have the wrong interpretation, mixed up with vain imagination.
I didn't side step anything. In fact, I rather appreciate your point of view because you represent the vast majority of black folks even those so called "revolutionaries". You sit up here and claim whites are racist and evil but then turn right around and claim them as your brothers in a social, political and economic sense. The funny part is if you read any articles about this man on any of the many sites about Zambia the whites are basically telling black folks to shut up and get over it, meaning slavery and colonialism. So whatever "love" you have for these people, they are not returning it, just like whatever land and wealth they stole they aren't returning that either, but you seem to be happy to see them with it.
Now keep in mind that Guy Scott cannot come out and say racist things since he holds political office. But that is not the point. The point is what I said earlier, that whites are going to use the dissatisfaction that blacks have with THEIR OWN LEADERSHIP(who in reality aren't THEIRS to begin with) to start promoting themselves as PROGRESSIVE when in reality they aren't and are just using political theater to distract the masses and push their own agenda. Whites who control the wealth of Southern Africa, have planned this exact scenario long before Nelson Mandela was even freed from prison. They forced the ANC to sell out the cause of black reparations and they knew full well the ANC (and other black politicians) would face most of the wrath of their own people as a result of NOT REALLY changing the economic system or forcing reparations. Robert Mugabe was one of the few who did anything but in reality he only did it to maintain his grip on power and not to REALLY change the status quo. To that point, IAN SMITH, the openly racist former president of Rhodesia died peacefully in Zimbabwe under Mugabe's rule and nothing happened to him. And now Mugabe's primary opposition is bankrolled by the white landowners.
That is what I said in my post and not once have you provided anything to contradict what I said. So until you can provide something to show what I said is incorrect, I won't answer anything other than to say you represent the sad state of most black folks concerning their history, their present state and their future.
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion: ^^Why did you side step the question I asked you?
Why are your albino cousins committing suicide in the very rich western countries, if life were soooo gooood for them?
How come Africans are not killing themselves off if life were sooo baad for them?
Doug, you have the wrong interpretation, mixed up with vain imagination.
bla..bla..bla.. That is what I said in my post and not once have you provided anything to contradict what I said. So until you can provide something to show what I said is incorrect, I won't answer anything other than to say you represent the sad state of most black folks concerning their history, their present state and their future.
Hogwash and emotional tripe.
You are an illogical pink white racist who uses the evil magick of Afro-pessimism to peddle your racist views.
It is weak ass minded pink punks like you who work for all the western newspapers which are paid to only sow disaffection amongst African youths.
I am waay too smart and sophisticated for your wicked spells, and will rather turn it against you.
You that pretend to cry about black people, how many times have you cried for your pink folks committing suicide and self destructions?
How often have I heard you address the issue of the diminishing populations of albinos all over the world like an endangered specie?
How often have you harped on the cancer epidemic destroying your people?
You talk inversely about Africaa's weakness so that you can permit your albino pink ass to feel superior to African. Bytch we know your types and their crocodile tears.
Fake ass sympathizer dismissing everything about Africa, what have you achieved in life?
Are you not on dole as your name is Doug?
What have you ever done for Africa? What have you ever done for anyone including your albino family?
How many Africans have you ever employed or sent to school?
How many books and educational tracts have you written to build African minds?
But you have the guts and the temerity to judge others who have built schools, hospitals, factories, banks, and all in Africa?
Shut up you faceless cowardly pink ass boy with your wicked and evil mantra.
You are just as nasty as Doxie and Cass.
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