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Yes Mike we can follow your personal ancestry right back to ancient Americans

damn you're stupid

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A lesson for Black youngsters interested in research.

This picture at the Khan museum comes with the text "Bedouin of Sudanese origin".


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As I have repeated many times:

When the Albinos see a Black face where they don't want it, they make up a lie to put it in a context that they are comfortable with. Remembering always - ALBINOS HATE COMPETING WITH BLACKS - BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS LOOSE! That definitely includes History!


Now then, thinking logically: how could Mr. Albert Khan's wondering and transient photographer possibly know that mans genealogy or background? Would the man discuss such things with a total stranger?

A Bedouin is a desert Nomad:

With the Sahara and all manner of desert in North Africa, and next door in Arabia, why would a Sundanese Arab need to go to Jordan for more desert?

See, often all it takes is logical thought to destroy the Albinos lies.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
A lesson for Black youngsters interested in research.

This picture at the Khan museum comes with the text "Bedouin of Sudanese origin".


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As I have repeated many times:

When the Albinos see a Black face where they don't want it, they make up a lie to put it in a context that they are comfortable with. Remembering always - ALBINOS HATE COMPETING WITH BLACKS - BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS LOOSE! That definitely includes History!


Now then, thinking logically: how could Mr. Albert Khan's wondering and transient photographer possibly know that mans genealogy or background? Would the man discuss such things with a total stranger?

A Bedouin is a desert Nomad:

With the Sahara and all manner of desert in North Africa, and next door in Arabia, why would a Sundanese Arab need to go to Jordan for more desert?

See, often all it takes is logical thought to destroy the Albinos lies.

What is the point of all of that?

This is:

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(A Bedouin family in Oman)


The Albinos are the least populous people, but they want you to believe that the world is populated by Albinos and their "Near-Mulattoes".
So they show you images like above, and when a Black man shows up, they say he's African.

Ever notice that Doxie and Lioness keep referring back to Africa as the Black mans only legitimate homeland? That's part of the ruse.

As usual, the Albinos are so stupid, as the original settlers of the Earth, Blacks are "SUPPOSED" to be everywhere.

BTW - How long do you suppose those Turk mulattoes would last in the desert, bare headed and bare chested?


lamin - are you getting this?

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
[QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mike111:
[qb] A lesson for Black youngsters interested in research.

This picture at the Khan museum comes with the text "Bedouin of Sudanese origin".


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As I have repeated many times:

When the Albinos see a Black face where they don't want it, they make up a lie to put it in a context that they are comfortable with. Remembering always - ALBINOS HATE COMPETING WITH BLACKS - BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS LOOSE! That definitely includes History!


Now then, thinking logically: how could Mr. Albert Khan's wondering and transient photographer possibly know that mans genealogy or background? Would the man discuss such things with a total stranger?


Mike how can you exclude the possibility that this might be man from Sudan?
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^Which part of my text didn't you understand?
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By way of context:

Albert Khan hired photographers to go around the world and take pictures of places and people. That's it, no more, no less.

In my text I clearly said that the photographer was transient. So then, how could the photographer possibly know intimate details about anyone?

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
By way of context:

Albert Khan hired photographers to go around the world and take pictures of places and people. That's it, no more, no less.

In my text I clearly said that the photographer was transient. So then, how could the photographer possibly know intimate details about anyone?

The photographer might have asked the man where he was from and the man might have said he was born in Sudan.

But let's put that possibility aside.
Suppose there was no accompanying text at all, no caption.
How can you exclude the possibility that he might be from Sudan? You seem to be taking a stupid perspective here

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
How can you exclude the possibility that he might be from Sudan? You seem to be taking a stupid perspective here

Your Albinism is showing:

If there was no text mentioning Sudan, what could you point to that would make you think that the man was from somewhere else?

Nomads are born to their tribe, their land, and their range. Single Nomads do not migrate to faraway countries to be Nomads, they would likely be killed for trespassing.

Oh, and one last thing:


Kufiya
A style of headwear which is made up of a square of fabric folded into a triangle and worn with one point on each shoulder and one down the back. It is held in place with a circlet originally made of camel hair - the `iqal. The square of fabric is known as a ghoutra. A taqiyah is often worn under the ghoutra.

The kufiya is associated with Arabs and Bedouins. It is not worn by Egyptians or Omanis who each prefer a differing wrapped turban style of headdress. The Palestinians adopted the kufiya in the 1930s. In 1967 this was further narrowed to a black and white checked kufiya like Arafat wore. Traditionally Jordon's kufiya is red and white checked, Iraq's has a dense black weave, while Saudi Arabia and Kuwait favour white.


He,he,he,he:

Busted you lying Albinos once again!

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
[qb]How can you exclude the possibility that he might be from Sudan? You seem to be taking a stupid perspective here

Your Albinism is showing:

If there was no text mentioning Sudan, what could you point to that would make you think that the man was from somewhere else?


that's a retarded remark "your albinism is showing", infantile

In such case I would not know where he was from

Then I could asks him just like Albert-Khan may have

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
[qb]How can you exclude the possibility that he might be from Sudan? You seem to be taking a stupid perspective here

Your Albinism is showing:

If there was no text mentioning Sudan, what could you point to that would make you think that the man was from somewhere else?


that's a retarded remark "your albinism is showing", infantile

In such case I would not know where he was from

Then I could aks him just like A;bert-Khan may have

Wait, Wait, you stupid fuching bitch.

You are out in the middle of a desert, you see a man sitting on a rock, and he is wearing the garb of a local tribe, and you are going to ASK HIM WHERE HE IS FROM???

You fuching ASS!

We're done.

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Well you stupid jackass, you could snap the picture, not ask any questions, cross your fingers and ASS-UME you knew he was native, you fucking dimwiited buffoon-your usual approach to history


EXPOSE DE MIKE PART 2

However the Paul Castelnau knew what he was phographing and MET the Sudanese man in the picture (third photo down)
AND he photographed these other bedouin also>

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^I don't understand why they would take Sundanese soldiers?

If this is actually the case, since it's still an opinionated expression.


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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
Well you stupid jackass, you could snap the picture, not ask any questions, cross your fingers and ASS-UME you knew he was native, you fucking dimwiited buffoon-your usual approach to history


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This is typical of Albinos lying about history.

Lioness and the other lying Albinos say they are Sudanese soldiers.

It is up to us to investigate and analyze to see if the Albinos are lying as usual.

First, logically why would a Sudanese go to Arabia to make War?

Second, they say that it's an ARAB army, if those troops are Sudanese, WHERE ARE THE ARABS?

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Third, it is very interesting the type of Keffiyeh (headgear) those soldiers are wearing.

OH LOOK!

SUDANESE ARABS WEAR TURBANS "NOT" KEFFIYEH!!!!

(President of Sudan and Saudi king)

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Senussi going to fight English in Egypt (c.1915)


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The Senussi or Sanussi refers to a Muslim political-religious Sufi order and tribe in Libya and the Sudan region founded in Mecca in 1837 by the Grand Senussi, Sayyid Muhammad ibn Ali as-Senussi. The Senussi claim a direct lineage to the Prophet Muhammed.

Lioness you stupid Albino Cow, do you see any "KEFFIYEH" on their heads????

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Now then, having demonstrated that as usual, lioness and her degenerate kind were lying their pasty asses off, as usual, let's dig a little deeper.


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Wiki:

Soldiers in the Arab Army during the Arab Revolt of 1916-1918, carrying the Arab Flag of the Arab Revolt and pictured in the Arabian Desert.


Oh,oh: lioness, if they are the "ARAB" Army of Hejaz.....


THEN WHO ARE THESE??????


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Actually these Bedouin had nothing to do with the Arab army or Sudan.

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The text stating that they did, was added by one ~al-Brazyly aka Daniel Jorge Marques Filho, of Brazil no less.

The original photo is at the Musée Albert-Kahn.
The ACTUAL text on the picture at the museum is EXACTLY THIS!

Akaba, Jordanie, 28 février 1918
Autochrome de Paul Castelnau, inv. A 15491.
© Musée Albert-Kahn - Département des Hauts-de-Seine


(The exact translation is on the picture above in the previous post).

See for yourself.

http://albert-kahn.hauts-de-seine.net/archives-de-la-planete/mappemonde/Asie/Jordanie/

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Now then lioness, do you now see why I curse you, and all lying Albinos?
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Here is more from the degenerate lying Brazilian Albino al-Brazyly aka Daniel Jorge Marques Filho;


The fool al-Brazyly says this: 19th century painting of a anonymous showing a brazilian slave women highly decorated with gold and jewels.


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Think for a minute: Some guy would dress his slave in the finest cloths, buy tons of jewelry for her, and then pay to have her portrait painted - AND SHE'S NOT EVEN PRETTY!

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE???

How about this, she was some rich guys daughter.
Wouldn't that explain everything - including her disinterested slouch?

But the Albinos don't want history like that, it interferes with their "Fantasy" history.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:


The original photo is at the Musée Albert-Kahn.
The ACTUAL text on the picture at the museum is EXACTLY THIS!

Akaba, Jordanie, 28 février 1918
Autochrome de Paul Castelnau, inv. A 15491.
© Musée Albert-Kahn - Département des Hauts-de-Seine


(The exact translation is on the picture above in the previous post).

See for yourself.

http://albert-kahn.hauts-de-seine.net/archives-de-la-planete/mappemonde/Asie/Jordanie/ [/QB]

notice the hypocricy and deceptive tactics of Mike, lies to cover up other lies.
He assumes that a caption not indicating information about people in a photo being Sudnese fighters means that someone posting the picture could not have had knowledge about the photo that extended beyond the caption of the photo.
And also assuming that the photo has never been published with different caaptions
Then instead of making statements about Sudanese in Jordan around 1918 he asks some ignorant questions as if his lack of knowledge on the subject proves something. Will the buffoonery ever end?

Then when we look at the photo below also from hypocritical Mike's source all of the sudden he chooses to say that the caption is false

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^Go away you degenerate lying fool, I've had enough of you and your nonsense.
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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
Here is more from the degenerate lying Brazilian Albino al-Brazyly aka Daniel Jorge Marques Filho;


The fool al-Brazyly says this: 19th century painting of a anonymous showing a brazilian slave women highly decorated with gold and jewels.


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Think for a minute: Some guy would dress his slave in the finest cloths, buy tons of jewelry for her, and then pay to have her portrait painted - AND SHE'S NOT EVEN PRETTY!

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE???

How about this, she was some rich guys daughter.
Wouldn't that explain everything - including her disinterested slouch?

But the Albinos don't want history like that, it interferes with their "Fantasy" history.

This is classic Mike bullshyt

He hasn't researched the topic thoroughly and he jumps to all sorts of conclusions in the form of dumb questions.

He assumes there is no way a painting could get made of a domestic slave and be pictured with decent clothes on.
Because Mike has no knowledge of the circumstances behind the painting he assumes his narrow pin head preconceptions must be true.

And even after seeing many "Moorish" domestic slaves in European paintings dressed in fancy clothes, go figure this moron. He has that one field slave picture in his small mind as the only possibility of how a slave could live

As if rich people are going to have the servants walking around barefoot in their houses dressed in dirty burlap.

Of course he would make no attempt to consult a professional art historian to get an explanation from somebody who is an expert and then at that point see if an explanation with details of the context of the painting he might not know about might or might not make sense.

Only if I say something and expose his clown ass will he then delve deeper and find out more

when you see this in capital letters "DOES THAT MAKE SENSE" you realize that is the point at which he decided to stop researching the background of the topic and then try to imply some ridiculous conspiracy is going on. That is the point where he will start to make up his own stories, if somebody else is lying (and they're not) , therefore whatever he makes up pulls out of his butthole must be true.
I haven't researched this painting. The woman might not be a domestic slave or servant but I will tell you I don't know.
Mike will not know but he will tell you that he does know that is the difference. He makes up stuff and I have caught him 48 times


and the clown university logic continues

"AND SHE'S NOT EVEN PRETTY"

as if an historian would ever say anything that profoundly an irredeemably stupid
It's not even a true statement, she is beautiful,
but looks sad in the painting

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
And even after seeing many "Moorish" domestic slaves in European paintings dressed in fancy clothes, go figure this moron.

Show us!
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For what it's worth, I was chatting with an Ethiopian/Amhara guy in the park yesterday as our kids played - I thought of the ES guys when he said that when he went to Turkey, he was referred to as 'Arab'.
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quote:
Originally posted by claus3600:
For what it's worth, I was chatting with an Ethiopian/Amhara guy in the park yesterday as our kids played - I thought of the ES guys when he said that when he went to Turkey, he was referred to as 'Arab'.

Yes, the people above are obviously Arabs, the headgear alone proves that.

You must understand that lioness makes her stupid arguments because it's necessary. Few have the knowledge or inclination to comment on posts, so if she doesn't do it the forum dies. It's just that in her zeal she gets carried away sometimes, and her responses just get too stupid and gratuitous, in which case I punish her.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
Yes, the people above are obviously Arabs, the headgear alone proves that.


this is the logic of a four and half year old
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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
Yes, the people above are obviously Arabs, the headgear alone proves that.


this is the logic of a four and half year old
I answer you stupidity only because there may be others who are unaware of the conventions of Arab headgear.

Wiki article:


The Keffiyeh:

The keffiyeh/kufiya is a traditional Middle Eastern headdress fashioned from a square, usually cotton, scarf. It is typically worn by Arab men, as well as some Kurds.

The keffiyeh has been worn by Arabs residing in regions in Arabia, Jordan, and Iraq for over a century, but its prominence increased in other regions in the 1960s with the beginning of Palestinian movements.


In Jordan The red-and-white keffiyeh is a symbol of Jordanian heritage, and is strongly associated with Jordan, where it is known as shemagh mhadab. The Jordanian keffiyeh has decorative cotton or wool tassels on the sides It is believed that the bigger these tassels, the more value it has and the higher a person’s status. It has been used by Bedouins and Villagers throughout the centuries and was used as a symbol of honor and tribal identification. The tasseled red and white Jordanian shemagh is much thicker than the red and white shemagh used in Persian Gulf countries (no tassels).


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In Yemen it is used extensively in both red-white and black-white pattern and some traditional Yemeni designs and colours. Multi-colored tribal shemagh were used widely before the 1950s. Nowadays these are mostly worn in Yemen and Oman only while in the Persian Gulf and Levant the black/white red/white or pure white styles succeeded. The shemagh is part of an ancient Middle Eastern headgear tradition.

Yemen

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Egyptians wear Turbans - as do Sudanese.

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Sometimes Yemenie are more casual.

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Egypt or Sudan

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Photos on Flicker: Luxor81. (B. Barbey)

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quote:
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]notice the hypocricy and deceptive tactics of Mike, lies to cover up other lies.

Yeh, like you and your defense of holocaust story. You two are two sides of the same coin, like Zionism and Nazism.
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Tippu Tib black Arab slave trader from Zanzibar.
El Murjebi, better known as Tippu Tib or Tib (1837-1905) was a famous trader, explorer and author from Zanzibar. His mother was Arab, his father Swahili. A notorious trader in slaves and ivory, between 1880-1895 he grew immensely wealthy by virtue of penetrating central Africa and ruling over an expansive commercial empire (roughly eastern Congo) from where he supported numerous well known European explorers: David Livingstone, Henry Morton Stanley, Hemann Wissman, Verney Lovett Cameron, to name a few. He published his autobiography The Life of Hamed bin Muhammed el Murjebi in 1902 (evidently the first book written in Swahili) which was subsequently translated into Latin, German and English

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the Yoruba most have been one of the Arab tribes (also Egyptian tribes)because the Sokoto sultan Mohammed Bello and the Libyan president Muhammar Kaddafi stated the Yoruba of Nigeria were from Arabia.

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The lady look like a Congolese princess or a Portuguese Princess in Brazil. She have a natural African beauty. She is covered with designer ball link necklace. She is wearing the white glove of the elite. She is sad because black Congolese masses are slave in Brazil and her family appearance is going to disappear by having mulato children.

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quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
There seems to be some confusion here about the term 'Arab' and 'Arabian'.

The Arabs i.e. those who speak Arabic or practice Arab culture are comprised of three main divisions:

  • al-'Arab ul-'Aribah--South Arabian "Kushites" of the oldest purest civilization and blood lines)
  • al-'Arab ul-Muta'aribah--Northerners who entered Arabia mixed in upon the southerners adopting language and culture.
  • al-'Arab ul-Musta'ribah--Foreigners outside of Arabia with no Arab ancestry who after Arab conquests were assimilated and adopted Arab culture.
The Sabaeans would therefore be al-Aribah or Qahtani Arabs of the south while other Quraysh (Muhammad's tribe) would be al-Muta'aribah or Adnani tribes of the north. And then you have folks like Syrian and Iraqi Arabs who are 'Arab' in name and culture only and so al-Musta'rib.
Thank you for CLARIFYING this -- extremely helpful info right here [Smile] .
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Medieval Arab genealogists divided Arabs into three groups:

1) "Ancient Arabs", tribes that had vanished or been destroyed, such as ʿĀd and Thamud, often mentioned in the Qur'an as examples of God's power to destroy those who did not believe and follow their prophets and messengers.

All contemporary Arabs were considered as descended from the later two, groups with the ancestors, Qahtan and Adnan.

2) Qahtan "Pure Arabs" of South Arabia, descending from Qahtan.
The Qahtanites (Qahtanis) are said to have migrated from the land of Yemen following the destruction of the Ma'rib Dam (sadd Ma'rib). Semitic peoples either originating in, or claiming genealogical descent from the southern extent of the Arabian Peninsula, especially from Yemen

3) Adnanite
The "Arabized Arabs" (musta`ribah) of center and North Arabia, descending from Ishmael the elder son of Abraham. The Book of Genesis narrates that God promised Hagar to beget from Ishmael twelve princes and turn him to a great nation.(Genesis 17:20) The Book of Jubilees, in the other hand, claims that the sons of Ishmael intermingled with the 6 sons of Keturah, from Abraham, and their descendants were called Arabs and Ishmaelites.Adnan (Arabic: عدنان‎) is the traditional ancestor of the Adnanite Arabs of Northern, Western and Central-Western Arabia,According to tradition, Adnan is the father of a group of the Ishmaelite Arabs who inhabited West and Northern Arabia. Adnan is believed by Arab genealogies to be the father of many Ishmaelite tribes along the Western coast of Arabia, Northern Arabia and Iraq .According to Islamic tradition, the Islamic prophet Muhammad was descended from Adnan.


there is no such thing as "true Arab", that's tribal competative bullshit
(unless Muhammad was not a true Arab (theortically possible))


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^Can't anyone do something about this idiot?
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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
^Can't anyone do something about this idiot?

no, you'll just have to live with it
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Are there any extra-Qur'an written sources for this: " Adnan (Arabic: عدنان‎) is the traditional ancestor of the Adnanite Arabs "?

My research has indicated that "the people of Ad" (claimed by Shahra to be their ancestors), the Qur'an-cited "Iram, city of many pillars", and the Greek map-noted locale of "Adiramites" ALL refer to the ancient Hadhramaut, a key caravan point(, and end point to the Frankinsence coracle coastal voyage). That is, I think the Nominative term Followed the Locative term. (Possibly Hadramaut relates to hydro(Greek) but uncertain.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadhramaut

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The Ubaid is the oldest civilization of Arabia. It was a Mesoptamian culture that extended into the Arabian coast. After the Ubaid there was 1000 year dry period where the region becamme depopulated
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Some people think the Mahra people of Yemen are the "original Arabs"

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quote:
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Are there any extra-Qur'an written sources for this: " Adnan (Arabic: عدنان‎) is the traditional ancestor of the Adnanite Arabs "?

My research has indicated that "the people of Ad" (claimed by Shahra to be their ancestors), the Qur'an-cited "Iram, city of many pillars", and the Greek map-noted locale of "Adiramites" ALL refer to the ancient Hadhramaut, a key caravan point(, and end point to the Frankinsence coracle coastal voyage). That is, I think the Nominative term Followed the Locative term. (Possibly Hadramaut relates to hydro(Greek) but uncertain.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadhramaut

The word Adnan or Adnanite doesn't appear in the Qu'ran if I'm not mistaken

Some say the Adnan are people of North Arabia who mixed with people North of Arabia. Muhammad was said to be Adnanite.
"Arab" is a culture. "Indigenous Arabian" has moer to do with the strictly the geographic region

read some here, a very interesting book,

http://books.google.com/books?id=Vz4QFTCmBCUC&pg=PA135&dq=adnan+Arabia

DeArabizing Arabia: Tracing Western Scholarship on the History of the Arabs ...
By Saad D. Abulhab

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^^^also see search field above and put in Adnan Arabia for more books

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Hello, this question is a general question, mostly aimed towards Ms. Marniche. First, I highly admire your work, I've spent a lot of time reading your blog and I've learned SO MUCH there and was happy to see you on this forum. I highly respect your viewpoints and educated opinions -- so I wanted to ask you this:

1. Where do white people come from? There was a thread I read on here called Melanin Scholars Debunked where it was debated that whites came from either 1. Vit D theory or 2. Albinism. At the end of the day, I HAD to go with Mike on "albinism" b/c none of his 'opponents' could reasonably explain how the indigenous peoples of the north pole retained abundant amounts of melanin -- esp in their consistently brown eyes and hair. This includes the cold-adapted East Asians and Siberians. Across different diets, geographic regions and varying cold climates and altitudes, ALL THESE PEOPLE RETAINED RELATIVELY HIGH MELANIN LEVELS.

There was nothing greatly unique among the Grimaldi in Europe either, who one would think would need more sunshine since they populated warmer regions than the previous groups. BUT! They 'somehow' became much whiter in their skin than everyone else, even in a much warmer climate. They developed different color eyes (green, blue, hazel, gray) and hair colors (blonde, red). Can someone PLEASE explain this very strange phenomenon? Where did white people COME FROM????? Are they really a permanently-fixed subset of albinos????? Please help (and this goes to anyone) b/c in my mind, I already feel foolish explaining this to other people. [Confused]

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This is supposed to be about Arabs. Why don't you make a new thread?
Ms. Marniche hasn't posted for months either and she usually doesn't post on this topic.
You are ruining this thread with this. If you want to sapek to Dana please PM her or make a new thread topic with her name in the title

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This is another question for Ms. Marniche:

Why don't you believe that the indigenous peoples of Africa CAN'T have straight hair? African Genetic Diversity explains why those two jet Black African parents can produce a (straight) blond haired, blue eyed white child. So why is it any stretch that other Black people couldn't possibly have sired Black children with straight hair?

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quote:
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This is supposed to be about Arabs. Why don't you make a new thread?
Ms. Marniche hasn't posted for months either and she usually doesn't post on this topic.
You are ruining this thread with this. If you want to sapek to Dana please PM her or make a new thread topic with her name in the title

oops sorry about that! I just figured that these were viewpoints that were brought up previously and I was simply addressing Dana b/c I noticed she NEVER answered questions posed to her by Mike and SOn of Ra. Didn't mean to ruin the thread....
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One last question -- I believe I can ask this question since the topic was raised in this thread:

I've seen dialogue stating that straight(er) hair developed in dry arid areas by an isolated cluster of people that populated the Horn, as well as Australia.

This sounds very plausible, but what about the Dravidians of hot tropical India? Don't these people indigenous to India have straight hair but are NOT in a dry arid climate?

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quote:
Originally posted by matu:
One last question -- I believe I can ask this question since the topic was raised in this thread:

I've seen dialogue stating that straight(er) hair developed in dry arid areas by an isolated cluster of people that populated the Horn, as well as Australia.

This sounds very plausible, but what about the Dravidians of hot tropical India? Don't these people indigenous to India have straight hair but are NOT in a dry arid climate?

You are right matu, straight hair is a very perplexing item.
Not only is it very old and primitive: (Almost all Mammalian creatures have it):

But it also seems to follow Human deterioration:

As naturally "Curly Haired" people grow older, their hair becomes "Straighter".

AND - as shown in the picture of the Nigerian family: Albinism ALSO seems to cause hair to straighten.

Note the Solomon Island Islander child below with just a touch of Albinism (slightly mutated P gene), his hair is straight.


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So, following this anecdotal evidence, these peoples straight hair may be due to just a "Touch" of Albinism.

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"The word Adnan or Adnanite doesn't appear in the Qu'ran if I'm not mistaken" the lioness,

Sorry, I meant 'extra-Quran' as sources 'outside of the Quran' (like "extra-biblical").

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quote:
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You are right matu, straight hair is a very perplexing item.
Not only is it very old and primitive: (Almost all Mammalian creatures have it):

But it also seems to follow Human deterioration:

As naturally "Curly Haired" people grow older, their hair becomes "Straighter".

AND - as shown in the picture of the Nigerian family: Albinism ALSO seems to cause hair to straighten.

Note the Solomon Island Islander child below with just a touch of Albinism (slightly mutated P gene), his hair is straight.


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So, following this anecdotal evidence, these peoples straight hair may be due to just a "Touch" of Albinism.

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Hi there Mike. Are you the owner of realhistoryww? If so, I must say, WELL DONE! You've built such a VAST body of work that has done so much to open my eyes to lost and suppressed history of the Black peoples the world over. While I'm absolutely convinced of much of the material on your site, I remain skeptical over *some* others. Like this whole "albinism" thing. It just sounds so strange. I've noticed, however, NO ONE has been able to disprove the 'albinism' theory. I'm still looking for evidence to the contrary, and quite frankly I haven't found it yet.

Dana hasn't disproved it even though she said a while back she would. That whole Vit D debate in that other thread, while compelling, doesn't explain the SUDDEN APPEARANCE of white people on the scene. The East Asians of the highlands are evidence of depigmented peoples in cold climates who still CONSISTENTLY retained abundant melanin (i.e. hair and eye color), well after they stopped eating whales and seals and started eating rice and grains.

The descendants of these proto Europeans, esp the Scandinavians STILL eat abundant amounts of Vit D rich foods like Cod, whales etc. I know this for a fact b/c the Scandinavians that I know here in Cali jokingly brag about eating whale meat. Moreover, they don't play around when consuming Codfish and fermented Cod liver oil, a tradition from their (BLACK) forefathers. So what gives? How did the Black Grimaldi who consumed a Vit D rich diet, similar to those of their northern cousins even AFTER adapting an agrarian diet, SUDDENLY TURN SO DRASTICALLY WHITE???? [Confused]

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All humans have 'straight' hair, obviously.

Eyelashes.

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Some humans have tightly coiled hair, perhaps due to selection against lice, or due to ancestral living in small dark dome huts where coiled hair would function like sensory antennae.

(Mbuti): mongolu = dome hut of woven branches, sewn and COILED leaves = (Innuit): igloo = dome hut of COILED snow-blocks.

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quote:
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Hi there Mike. Are you the owner of realhistoryww? If so, I must say, WELL DONE! You've built such a VAST body of work that has done so much to open my eyes to lost and suppressed history of the Black peoples the world over.

why do you continue to post this in a thread about Arabs?
what's wrong with you?

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quote:
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I remain skeptical over *some* others. Like this whole "albinism" thing. It just sounds so strange.

To some, that is an "Aha" moment, when everything starts to truly make sense (as it was for me). But others, even with the most persuasive evidence, still can't quite bring themselves to believe it.

I have had conversations with others as to why that is: Remembering that 500,000 African Slaves were imported into North America, who were Slaves in Africa too:

the suggestion has been made that this reticence may reflective genetic memory which has no understanding of the White man. (It should be noted that even today, many Africans call African Albinos: "Fake White Man").

It has also been suggested that this inability to get their Minds around Europeans being not only ungod-like, as they use every means of media to convince us of: but actually defective genetically: is a result of different circumstances in where they live, and what knowledge they have of the world that is not filtered by Albinos.

That of course cannot apply to you, as you have easy access to independent information.

So it would appear that either your use of logical thinking, and appreciation of evidence is still immature, (that is that you don't trust your ability to judge evidence), or you have been successfully brainwashed. Not knowing you, I cannot say which.

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[/QUOTE] [/B]
quote:
To some, that is an "Aha" moment, when everything starts to truly make sense (as it was for me). But others, even with the most persuasive evidence, still can't quite bring themselves to believe it.

I have had conversations with others as to why that is: Remembering that 500,000 African Slaves were imported into North America, who were Slaves in Africa too:

the suggestion has been made that this reticence may reflective genetic memory which has no understanding of the White man. (It should be noted that even today, many Africans call African Albinos: "Fake White Man").

It has also been suggested that this inability to get their Minds around Europeans being not only ungod-like, as they use every means of media to convince us of: but actually defective genetically: is a result of different circumstances in where they live, and what knowledge they have of the world that is not filtered by Albinos.

That of course cannot apply to you, as you have easy access to independent information.

So it would appear that either your use of logical thinking, and appreciation of evidence is still immature, (that is that you don't trust your ability to judge evidence), or you have been successfully brainwashed. Not knowing you, I cannot say which.

Mike - back up. I said I was *skeptical* and I have every right to be. This information is still very much NEW to me and I have a hard time processing it, like anyone else would when faced with very new yet plausible information. Didn't I say that I more or less AGREE with you?

So back up off of me and stop PROJECTING. You don't know me from a can of paint, so for you to assume I'm either immature or brainwashed says more about you than me. You're a real JERK. Even when you're complimented on your work, you still manage to piss people off over nothing.

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^That was a clinical observation and assessment, "Not" an accusation. You fail to appreciate the importance of this type of analysis, but believe me, it's huge. Before you can undo what was done to you, you must first know that "Something" was done to you, and then figure out what it was, and how to undo it.
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All black-skin people today had long-ago white-skin ancestors with non-white hair (so obviously not albino).

So there has been an ancestral melanising process (from rainforest outwards) and more recently an albanizing process (from tropics polewards).

Comparable sequence occurred in the peppered moth. http://www.bing.com/search?q=peppered+moth&src=IE-TopResult&FORM=IE10TR

Regarding the True Arab, heavy clothing & tents reduce direct (UV & IR) sunlight exposure, while camouflage is less significant in herders than hunters but still important in protecting herds. In The Road To Ubar, there is a reference to Mahra herding goats in canyons, canyons have much sharper sun-shadowing than open plains or deserts, dark skin would provide camouflage better than light skin there.

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