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http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2013/10/blackness_depicted_as_evil_in_art_darkskinned_attackers_of_christians_based_on_history.html
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http://www.theroot.com/articles/history/2013/11/egyptian_scarabs_with_black_faces_ancient_amulets_form_important_link_to.html


http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2013/09/ancient_egyptian_art_nubian_women.html?wpisrc=related


http://www.theroot.com/articles/history/2013/10/blacks_in_art_adulterous_moor_plays_role_in_religious_tale_in_medieval_spain.html


http://www.theroot.com/articles/history/2013/09/who_was_the_1st_black_poet.html

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http://www.theroot.com/articles/history/2013/11/blacks_in_western_art_giant_ysore_represents_shifting_view_of_blackness.html?wpisrc=related


http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2013/09/the_adoration_of_the_magi_art_depicts_blacks_in_positive_light.html

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http://www.theroot.com/views/why-are-black-men-venetian-tomb

http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2013/10/blacks_in_ancient_roman_art_priests_of_the_isis_cult.html

http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2013/10/blacks_in_antebellum_art_blacks_and_white_bound_by_the_power_of_music.html

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Thanks.
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quote:
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http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2013/10/blackness_depicted_as_evil_in_art_darkskinned_attackers_of_christians_based_on_history.html

Blackness Portrayed as the Face of Evil
Image of the Week: The reason these dark-skinned men are attacking Christian hermits is steeped in cultural history.


BY: IMAGE OF THE BLACK IN WESTERN ART ARCHIVE
Posted: Oct. 15 2013 12:46 AM
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Pantoleon Martyrdom of the 39 Fathers of Raithu in the Sinai by the Blemmyes
976-1025 Vatican
artist under patronege of Byzantine Emperor Basil II

The Root) -- This image is part of a weekly series that The Root is presenting in conjunction with the Image of the Black in Western Art Archive at Harvard University's W.E.B. Du Bois Research Institute, part of the Hutchins Center for African and African American Research.

This chilling scene of martyrdom comes from a lavishly illustrated menologion, a calendar of saints whose lives and deeds are celebrated on their feast days by the Eastern Orthodox Church. It was painted around the year 1000 by artists working under the patronage of the Byzantine Emperor Basil II in the capital city of Constantinople, now Istanbul.

The western portion of the Roman Empire had long since vanished, but its legacy in the eastern regions had remained intact. The menologion provides a splendid example of the major political and artistic high point of Byzantine culture known as the Macedonian Renaissance. The artist's name, Pantoleon, appears to the left of the image.

The scene represents the martyrdom in the fourth century of a large number of Christian hermits at Raithu, a monastic settlement on the west coast of the Sinai Peninsula. The classic account of this and other attacks on desert monastic communities comes from the relatio, or report, of the Egyptian monk Ammonius, who purportedly witnessed the massacre.

According to his account, the raiders, aroused by God to attack the settlement, suddenly appeared and began killing the monks. Their depredations were frustrated by the absolute poverty of the fathers and by the terrifying spectacle of a burning cloud that formed over nearby Mount Sinai. Chastened, they then prayed to the monks for salvation.

Several slain monks lie in the right foreground. Their halos denote their status as martyrs of the faith. Two of the raiders attack them with swords. Three other armed men approach from the left, one of whom thrusts his weapon at a pair of monks standing before him. The head of a man, perhaps Ammonius himself, observes the scene from behind the apse of the church at the far right.

One of the most remarkable features of the scene is the carefully observed ethnicity of the attackers. All five are dark-skinned but otherwise are rendered as two quite distinct types. The reddish-brown complexion of the two men on either side of the standing monks is noticeably lighter than that of the others, whose skin is fully black. In addition, the black-skinned figures have negroid facial features, whereas the others have more oval head shapes and aquiline noses characteristic -- in art, at least -- of the nonblack populations of the ancient world.

Of primary interest here is the identity of the black figures in the scene. Most accounts of the attacks on Raithu attribute the monks' martyrdom to the Blemmyes, members of a nomadic tribe feared in the Greco-Roman period of Egypt as marauders, much as the Huns or Vandals aroused panic when they confronted the Western Roman Empire at about the same time.

By implication, at least, the Blemmyes were considered dark-skinned by ancient Greek and Roman authors, since they are always characterized as inhabitants of lower Nubia, an area situated in present-day southern Egypt. The black-skinned figures in the illumination would therefore represent Blemmyes, while those with lighter skin perhaps are Saracens, an Arabic people also involved in these raids.


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I disagree with the interpretation that this painting is necessarily intended to be anti-black.

The leader of the attackers is lighter than the others and the intent behind the painting may have been entirely religious


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The Blemmyes (Latin Blemmyae) were a nomadic Nubian tribe described in Roman histories of the later empire. From the late 3rd century on, along with another tribe, the Nobadae, they repeatedly fought the Romans. They were said to live in Africa, in Nubia, Kush, or Ethiopia, generally south of Egypt.[1]

They also became fictionalized as a legendary race of acephalous (headless) monsters who had eyes and mouths on their chest.

The Blemmyes occupied a considerable region in current day Sudan. There were some important cities like Faras, Kalabsha, Ballana and Aniba, and they were all fortified with walls and towers of a mixture of Egyptian, Helenic, Roman and Nubic elements.

Their culture had also the influence of the Meroitic culture. Blemmyes religion was centered in the temples of Kalabsha and Philae, the former being a huge masterpiece of Nubian architecture where a solar lion-like divinity named Mandulis was worshiped.
The Greek geographer Strabo describes the Blemmyes as a peaceful people living in the East Desert near Meroe.

Their cultural and military power started to enlarge to such a level that in 197 Pescennius Niger asked a Blemmye king of Thebas to help him in the battle against the Roman Emperor Septimius Severus. In 250 the Roman Emperor Decius took a lot of effort to win over an invasion army of Blemmyes. A few years later, in 253, they attacked Lower Aegyptus (Thebais) again but were quickly defeated. In 265 they were defeated again by the Roman Prefect Firmus who later in 273 would rebel against the Empire and the Queen of Palmyra Zenobia with the help of the Blemmyes themselves. The Roman general Probus took some time to defeat the usurper and his allies but couldn't prevent the occupation of Thebais by the Blemmyes. That meant another war and the almost entire destruction of the Blemmyes army (279-280).

In the reign of Diocletian the province of Lower Aegyptus (Thebais) was again occupied by the Blemmyes. In 298, Diocletian made peace with the Nobatae and Blemmyes tribes, agreeing that Rome move its borders north to Philae (South Egypt, south of Aswan) and pay the two tribes an annual gold stipend

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somebody please post more of the picutues an captions in malibudisuls post I'm tired
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The Doge Giovanni Pisaro tomb sculpture of two black men supporting the temple pillars and a black skeleton in the middle tell us Doge Pisaro. was a black man or a mulato descendant of black. Black man supporting temple pillars are not the symbol of the evil Ottoman Empire.

The Spanish conqueror of PerHeru was name Pizarro. Some people say Venetian is a different spelling of Phoenician.

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Probably black Italian portrayed as middle easterner but the clothes are European.

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Egyptian Scarabs portraying the black Greek of the Greek trading center of Naukratis in Egypt.

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Black, mulato and white Italian worshiping Isis. The Black and mulato people could also be Egyptian.

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North or West African Moor fighting in Spain.

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Bulgakov handbook

January 14

Our Venerable Fathers Killed on Sinai and in Raithu On this day is commemorated the double killing of the Holy Fathers adorned with "Lenten valor", who practiced asceticism in the monasteries and caves of Mount Sinai and in the neighboring hermitage in Raithu on the shore of the Red Sea. The first happened about the year 300 - 311 by the Saracens and Blemmyes (one of the Arab tribes).

Ammonius, an Egyptian monk was an eyewitness who described the event. The Saracens killed forty of the Holy Fathers on Mt. Sinai and the Blemmyes at the same time killed 39 fathers in Raithu. The eyewitness Monk Nilus described the second killing in the Fifth Century. Glorifying the Holy Fathers, the Church sings: "Blessed are the Venerable Ones and Martyrs of Christ God. For the Venerable Ones were banished for the sake of righteousness because the sword will not separate the Martyrs from the love of Christ". Paul, John, Theodulus and Nilus.


Definition: Saracen was a term for Muslims widely used in Europe during the later medieval era. The term's meaning evolved during its history. In the early centuries AD in Greek and Latin it referred to a people who lived in desert areas in and near the Roman province of Arabia, and who were specifically distinguished from Arabs. (THAT MEANS "NOT" ARAB).


This chilling scene of martyrdom comes from a lavishly illustrated menologion, a calendar of saints whose lives and deeds are celebrated on their feast days by the Eastern Orthodox Church. It was painted around the year 1000 by artists working under the patronage of the Byzantine Emperor Basil II in the capital city of Constantinople, now Istanbul.


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The Root's Editor-in chief, Henry Louis Gates Jr., and publisher, Donna Byrd


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In many ways Gates is worst than a revisionist Albino historian. Few understand his pathetic, very Negro agenda.

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From Wiki article:

Gates has been integral to the Black Periodical Literature Project, an archive of black newspapers and magazines created with financial assistance from the National Endowment for the Humanities. To build Harvard's visual, documentary, and literary archives of African-American texts, Gates arranged for the purchase of The Image of the Black in Western Art, a collection assembled by Dominique de Ménil in Houston, Texas.

Gates has argued that a separatist, Afrocentric education perpetuates racist stereotypes. He maintains that it is "ridiculous" to think that only blacks should be scholars of African and African-American literature. He argues,

"It can't be real as a subject if you have to look like the subject to be an expert in the subject," adding, "It's as ridiculous as if someone said I couldn't appreciate Shakespeare because I'm not Anglo-Saxon. I think it's vulgar and racist whether it comes out of a black mouth or a white mouth."

Supporters of Afrocentrics such as Molefi Asante and others say that they assert not that the study of Africa should be exclusively Black, but that the approach of Afrocentricity is critical for setting up black people as agents of their own history.

As a mediator between those advocating separatism and those who believe in a fixed Western canon, Gates has been criticized by both. Some critics suggest that adding black literature will diminish the value of the Western canon, while separatists say that Gates is too accommodating to the dominant white culture in his advocacy of integration of the canon. Gates is occasionally criticized as non-representative, and a detractor, of Black people by such African-American spokesmen as John Henrik Clarke, Molefi Asante and Maulana Karenga.

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http://www.kunstkopie.de/cgi-bin/kuko#rahmenanker

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http://www.kaiserfriedrich-museums-verein.de/cms/front_content.php?idart=39

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http://www.picstopin.com/327/correggio-anbetung-der-heiligen-drei-k%C3%B6nige-detail/http:%7C%7Cwww*malerei-meisterwerke*de%7Cimages%7Ccorreggio-anbetung-der-heiligen-drei-koenige- detail-01903*jpg/

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http://www.landesmuseum-mainz.de/enid/Schaetze_aus_der_Renaissance/Anbetung_der_Heiligen_Drei_Koenige_fz.html

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Go to Google Image and put "anbetung konige"

many moors!

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http://www.van-ham.com/datenbank-archiv/datenbank/hans-rottenhammer/anbetung-der-koenige-7.html

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There is billions of images of moor that white people called of "wise man"
Note these moors have difference in dress and in face.
Are kings. i believe in this

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the black man never gets on his knees
maximum lowers his head.
the white man always gets on his knees.

http://lyuskina-rodnya.livejournal.com/195407.html


This probably is a rite of passage.
the black was a prince, his father died, now he will become king.
Formerly kings were appointed by God.
So these paintings represent it.
This is my theory.

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Luke the Evangelist painting Vladimirskaya icon of Our Lady

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Do you remeber of this moor?
Here are the full image.

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MEMNON
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Many Moors

HERE


http://estherschreuder.wordpress.com/

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quote:
In many ways Gates is worst than a revisionist Albino historian. Few understand his pathetic, very Negro agenda.
I saw his black in S America series and sadly I must agree. He could've settled any number of black historical issues once and for all,eg:
-the real race of the Olmecs
-the other pre Columbian 'Indians'
-how many Spanish colonists were black
and much much more.
Instead he regurgitates the same old,same old. BOOOOOOO!!

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Many Moors

HERE

http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/page/4

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^What I have been trying to get across to people about Black Albino agents like Gates, is that they have fallen in love with acceptance by the Albino power structure. They are allowed power and prestige in the Albino world, the ability to make lots of money, and perhaps most importantly for them - access to Albino females. And all they have to do is sell-out us poor Niggers.

Gates married a White woman Sharon Lynn Adams in 1979. They had two daughters. They later divorced.

Gates is such a sleaze, but not stupid, so he never allowed pictures with his White Wife, understanding that sensible people would question his impartiality.

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Mike, do yo remember this image
three blacks

look HERE

http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/search/1400s

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http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/search/1500s
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http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/search/1600s
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[Eek!]

http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/search/1100s

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quote:
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http://www.van-ham.com/datenbank-archiv/datenbank/hans-rottenhammer/anbetung-der-koenige-7.html

so this painting is not fake?
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Malibudusul nice tumblr pictures of black European falsely identified as St Maurice or one of the three kings.

Some European artists were mystical and members of secret societies. In their paintings of Jesus, Mary and other biblical characters they included astrotheological symbols like sun, moon, 12 house of the zodiac, the constellations etc.

I think after the Roman Catholic Church decided to erased the black European from history and empower white people and bleach black people the European artists decided subtely to represent the black European in their paintings and sculpture as Saint Maurice and Balthazar. By doing that they saved the image of the Ancient black European Kings before they were force to bleach out by mixing with white European.

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Come on man Gates is a coon.

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Many of the surviving cosmetic jars and utensils feature representations of figures atypical of Egyptian society. In addition to this example and its companion, there is a jar held by a black man, and another carried by a dwarf. It seems that the act of pampered service represented by these figured vessels was intentionally coupled with the obligatory, comprehensive subservience of the other. A more concise statement of the layered authority and social structure of the New Kingdom Egyptian state is hard to imagine.

There had often existed some degree of accommodation, both cultural and ethnic, between the people of Nubia and Egypt. Even during periods of Egyptian dominance, Nubia retained a considerable ability to negotiate relations with its powerful northern neighbor. In addition to Nubia being a source of valuable raw materials, gold and its famed archers, politically motivated unions were often formed between the Nubian elite and their Egyptian counterparts. In many cases, Nubian women became part of the royal family itself and produced heirs to the throne. Tiye, one of the wives of Amenhotep III, may have been Nubian. Among her children was the well-known reformer pharaoh Akhenaton.

http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2013/09/ancient_egyptian_art_nubian_women.html?wpisrc=related

Seriously? So black looking statues in AE represent "nubian" integration and are atypical?

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quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:
Come on man Gates is a coon.

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Many of the surviving cosmetic jars and utensils feature representations of figures atypical of Egyptian society. In addition to this example and its companion, there is a jar held by a black man, and another carried by a dwarf. It seems that the act of pampered service represented by these figured vessels was intentionally coupled with the obligatory, comprehensive subservience of the other. A more concise statement of the layered authority and social structure of the New Kingdom Egyptian state is hard to imagine.

There had often existed some degree of accommodation, both cultural and ethnic, between the people of Nubia and Egypt. Even during periods of Egyptian dominance, Nubia retained a considerable ability to negotiate relations with its powerful northern neighbor. In addition to Nubia being a source of valuable raw materials, gold and its famed archers, politically motivated unions were often formed between the Nubian elite and their Egyptian counterparts. In many cases, Nubian women became part of the royal family itself and produced heirs to the throne. Tiye, one of the wives of Amenhotep III, may have been Nubian. Among her children was the well-known reformer pharaoh Akhenaton.

http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2013/09/ancient_egyptian_art_nubian_women.html?wpisrc=related

Seriously? So black looking statues in AE represent "nubian" integration and are atypical?

somebody please get a few other direct Gates quotes on ancient Egyptians
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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
^What I have been trying to get across to people about Black Albino agents like Gates, is that they have fallen in love with acceptance by the Albino power structure. They are allowed power and prestige in the Albino world, the ability to make lots of money, and perhaps most importantly for them - access to Albino females. And all they have to do is sell-out us poor Niggers.

Gates married a White woman Sharon Lynn Adams in 1979. They had two daughters. They later divorced.

Gates is such a sleaze, but not stupid, so he never allowed pictures with his White Wife, understanding that sensible people would question his impartiality.

I've been thinking. We need a specific thread to identify these useless negroes. Ideally it should include their usual tactics and methodologies,because their damage is HUGE! They fly under the radar while we fixate on the Cass type retards and their idiocies. I think it would be worthwhile.
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Check this Site
New Moors from Europe

http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/search/pre-1000s

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http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/search/1200s

http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/search/1300s

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http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/search/1400s

http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/search/1500s

http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/search/1600s

http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/search/1700s

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Jack, the Black rich from walles

http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/search/1700s

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/WLS-GWYNEDD/2002-06/1023743290

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Malibudusul you need to copy and pace all the pictures of black Europeans to the New Moors thread and then post the link. That will make it easier for people to print the pictures.
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quote:
Originally posted by malibudusul:
Jack, the Black rich from walles

http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/search/1700s

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/WLS-GWYNEDD/2002-06/1023743290

Great post.
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Mena, sorry, i'm no time for this.
Troll, thanks


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quote:
Originally posted by kikuyu22:
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Originally posted by Mike111:
^What I have been trying to get across to people about Black Albino agents like Gates, is that they have fallen in love with acceptance by the Albino power structure. They are allowed power and prestige in the Albino world, the ability to make lots of money, and perhaps most importantly for them - access to Albino females. And all they have to do is sell-out us poor Niggers.

Gates married a White woman Sharon Lynn Adams in 1979. They had two daughters. They later divorced.

Gates is such a sleaze, but not stupid, so he never allowed pictures with his White Wife, understanding that sensible people would question his impartiality.

I've been thinking. We need a specific thread to identify these useless negroes. Ideally it should include their usual tactics and methodologies,because their damage is HUGE! They fly under the radar while we fixate on the Cass type retards and their idiocies. I think it would be worthwhile.
Not trying to attack Gates, but really it reminds me of the passing nonsense we learned about.

Kiss white ass, marry down oops mean up and you will be more happy. Then theres the white flight etc.

Really if you marry someone regardless of color for love I understand love is blind. But when you only date one set of women for race purpose is just plain dumb. If gates married her for Love, he would not be ashamed to show pics of her.

Egypt comes to mind but really All of Africa should be learned about. Tired of just arguing over genetics and egypt(yes I know this is called egyptsearch).

Can Anyone list these people who think that Blacks(Africans and Indians) learning there History is wrong.

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King there's is absolutely nothing wrong with Blacks learning their history. Its when you go about stealing history from others that it becomes wrong. Its when ones like Clyde, Mike, Kikuyu, Mena7, Doug, Oshun, Marc, Ironcocksucker, Troll Patrol who don't want White children to learn their own history as they don't want them to know who they are, where they come from, who their ancestors were, or to study their own history so they can rob them of it, is when it becomes wrong.
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^I have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps you can give some examples?


I've asked you this many times.

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Easy TrollPatrol, when go you go around telling White children they are not indigenous to Europe & then fail to tell them where they come from. When you then fail to give them the names of these so called White tribes. When you fail to tell them what language/s these people spoke. When you sit there like you did not showing them the depictions of these people to prove that they were in fact White. Then when you turn around and tell them that these first people coming out of the area you claim they are indigenous to weren't White. At the same time you claim their true identities as your own (Celts, Basques, Romans, Vikings, etc). What the heck do you think you are doing? Preventing them from knowing their history, knowing who they are, where they come from & who their ancestors were.
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Doxie dear, Do you know what the word convoluted means?
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quote:
Originally posted by DHDoxies:
Easy TrollPatrol, when go you go around telling White children they are not indigenous to Europe & then fail to tell them where they come from. When you then fail to give them the names of these so called White tribes. When you fail to tell them what language/s these people spoke. When you sit there like you did not showing them the depictions of these people to prove that they were in fact White. Then when you turn around and tell them that these first people coming out of the area you claim they are indigenous to weren't White. At the same time you claim their true identities as your own (Celts, Basques, Romans, Vikings, etc). What the heck do you think you are doing? Preventing them from knowing their history, knowing who they are, where they come from & who their ancestors were.

I have no idea what you are talking about.


Where and when did any of what you claim happen?

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Troll Patrol, So it wasn't you who posted in another thread that Whites came from Siberia?? I could've sworn that was you. Was it not you who claimed that these "White Siberians" left no evidence of themselves in Central Asia? Was it not you who then turned around and said these Siberians were not White?


Mike yes I know what convoluted means, what does that have to do with anything?

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^Your thinking is convoluted.
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How so Mike? You know I could say the same about your trying to prevent White children from knowing their history, Black racist scum of the earth butt.
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