Central African Republic crisis: Djotodia future in balance
Central African Republic (CAR) interim leader Michel Djotodia is expected to face pressure to step down at a regional summit under way in Chad.
His failure to quell violence between Christian and Muslim militias has prompted speculation that he may quit.
However, some CAR officials say his resignation is not on the agenda at the summit in neighbouring Chad.
Seleka rebels staged a coup last March, installing Mr Djotodia as the country's first Muslim leader.
The then-President Francois Bozize, from CAR's majority Christian population, was forced into exile and the country has since descended into chaos.
The UN has warned of an impending humanitarian disaster.
'Make way' Ahmat Allami, Secretary-General of the 10-nation Economic Community of Central African States (ECCAS), said that members of the Central African Republic's National Transitional Council (CNT) had been flown in at short notice to the Chadian capital N'Djamena to decide the leadership of their nation.
"No-one can speak on behalf of the Central Africans. That's why we have asked the CNT and representatives of political parties to come to N'Djamena to decide on the future of the transitional institutions," Mr Allami was quoted by Reuters as saying.
Mr Allami said earlier that "regime change" was not the goal of the meeting.
A source close to Mr Djotodia quoted by the Reuters said that CAR leaders had run out of patience with him.
"It's finished for him now," said the source.
The BBC's Paul Wood in Bangui says that if he does resign, the effects would be unpredictable - it could take the steam out of the conflict, or trigger a power struggle engulfing the country in its worst violence yet.
'Paralysed' French officials said the summit would discuss various options for continuing the transition, including allowing the president of a National Transitional Council to take over or mandating Prime Minister Nicolas Tiangaye to run the country until elections.
Although Mr Djotodia has officially disbanded the Seleka rebels, he has proved unable to keep them in check.
Their brutal actions have prompted Christians to form vigilante groups, sparking a deadly cycle of revenge attacks.
The AU has some 4,000 peacekeepers in the country and France has deployed 1,600 troops to try to end the violence.
More than 1,000 people have died in the past month alone and the number displaced has more than doubled, to nearly a million.
On Wednesday, the UN warned that measles had broken out at the airport in the capital, Bangui, where about 100,000 people are seeking refuge from clashes.
The UN says about half the population of Bangui - more than 500,000 people - have been driven from their homes and 2.2 million people are in need of humanitarian assistance.
Central African Republic: CAR President Djotodia and PM Tiangaye Resign
The Central African Republic's interim president, Michel Djotodia, has resigned along with prime minister Nicolas Tiangaye.
The announcement came at the end of a summit of regional leaders in neighbouring Chad.
After a meeting with the CAR's entire provisional parliament until 4.00am, the Economic Community of Central African States (Eccas) announced the resignations at the end of its meeting on Friday.
The summit on Thursday suspended its debate on the crisis-hit coutry in order to fly all 135 members of the National Transitional Council from Bangui to N'Djamena.
With Chadian President Idriss Déby, the current Eccas head, leading the charge, they told them that the two, whose mutual relationship is notoriously bad, had to go.
The CAR's "own sons" had plunged the pay into a "war that dangerously compromises its future", Déby told the summit, putting the blame on "the political class in its entirety".
In Bangui thousands of people demonstrated near the airport on Friday to oppose Djotodia's return.
After weeks of sectarian violence, Bangui has been relatively calm this week, however.
"The situation is improving - slowly, but it is improving," the commander of the French troops in the CAR, General Francisco Soriano, said on Thursday.
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BBC Who is Michel Djotodia?
Becomes first Muslim leader of an overwhelmingly Christian country after seizing power from Francois Bozize in March 2013
Has led several rebel groups
Served as both defence minister and diplomat under previous peace deals
Said to have used diplomatic posting in Sudan's Darfur region to forge alliance with Janjaweed militia and fighters from Chad, who played a key role in his seizure of power
Has officially disbanded his Seleka rebel group but they continue to kill and loot
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It look like the muslim Seleka group and their leader muslim Michel Djotodia is a muslim terrorist and mercenary group like Boko Haram, Al Qaeda Mali and Al Qaeda Somalia financed by proxy countries in the Arabian peninsula to destabilized and massacre people in African countries.
It doesn't make sense that a muslim guerilla deposed the Christian president of a majority Christian country and installed a muslim as president. The Christian majority will go to war against the muslim minority. Its like the majority muslim nation of Egypt having a Christian Coptic president.
I didn't remember Central African Emperor Jean Bedel Bokassa until that thread. In the 1980s I believed the Western media reports that Bokassa was a dictator, a thief, a megalomaniac and somebody wasting money. today as an afrocentrist and conspiracy theorist I am thinking that Bokassa was probably sending a symbolic message to the world by crowning himself emperor seating on a gold eagle throne. Maybe Bokassa was trying to tell the world some of the Roman Emperors and French Kings were black people.
Emperor Jean Bedel Bokassa aka Bokassa 1
Emperor Bokassa 1
Emperor Bokassa 1
Emperor Bokassa 1 with Laurel crown
Central African Emperor Jean Bedel Bokassa.
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Born in French Equatorial Africa, the son of a village chief, Jean-Bédel Bokassa was orphaned at age 12. Educated in mission schools, he joined the French colonial army in 1939 as a private. He distinguished himself in the war in Indochina, winning medals and rising to the rank of captain. When French Equatorial Africa gained its independence as the Central African Republic in 1960, the new president David Dacko, who was his distant cousin, invited Bokassa to head the armed forces.[1] In 1966, Bokassa used his position to oust Dacko and declared himself president. He then began a reign of terror, taking all important government posts for himself.[2] He personally supervised judicial beatings and introduced a rule that thieves would have an ear cut off for the first two offenses and a hand for the third. In 1977, in emulation of his hero Napoleon, he crowned himself emperor of the Central African Empire in a ceremony costing $20 million, practically bankrupting the country. His diamond-encrusted crown alone cost $5 million.[2] In 1979 he had hundreds of schoolchildren arrested for refusing to wear uniforms made in a factory he owned, and was reported to have personally supervised the massacre of 100 of the schoolchildren by his Imperial Guard.
On 20 September 1979, French paratroopers deposed him and re-installed Dacko as president. Bokassa went into exile in France where he had a chateaux and other property bought with the money he had embezzled.[2] After his overthrow in 1979, Central Africa reverted to its former name and status as the Central African Republic. In his absence, he was tried and sentenced to death. He returned to the Central African Republic in 1986 and was put on trial for treason and murder. In 1987, he was cleared of charges of cannibalism, but found guilty of the murder of schoolchildren and other crimes. The death sentence was later commuted to life in solitary confinement, but just six years later, in 1993, he was freed. He lived a private life in his former capital, Bangui, and died in November 1996.
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David Dacko (March 24, 1930 – November 20, 2003) was the first President of the Central African Republic (CAR), from August 14, 1960 to January 1, 1966, and the third president of the CAR from September 21, 1979 to September 1, 1981. Even after being removed from power twice by coups d'état, Dacko continued to be a very active politician and presidential candidate with a loyal group of supporters. Dacko was thus an important political figure in CAR politics for a period of over half a century.
During his first term as president Dacko significantly increased diamond production in the CAR by eliminating the monopoly on mining held by concessionary companies and decreeing that any Central African could dig for diamonds. He also succeeded in having a diamond-cutting factory built in the capital, Bangui.[citation needed] Diamonds eventually became the CAR's most important export and remain so today, even though half or more of the country's diamonds are smuggled out of the country.[citation needed] Dacko encouraged the rapid "Centralafricanization" of the CAR's administration, which was accompanied by growing corruption and inefficiency, and he expanded the number of civil servants, which greatly increased the portion of the national budget needed to pay salaries. The difficulty of securing enough revenues to pay a large number of bureaucrats who are often inefficient and corrupt has been a major problem for the CAR ever since.
Dacko was torn between his need to retain the support of France and his need to show that he was not subservient to France. In order to cultivate alternative sources of support and display his independence in foreign policy, Dacko cultivated closer relations with the People's Republic of China, for example. By 1965, however, Dacko had lost the support of most Central Africans and may have been planning to resign from the presidency when he was overthrown.
On September 1, 1981, Dacko was overthrown in a bloodless coup carried out by army chief of staff General André Kolingba, who may have had the support of local French security officers who are suspected of having acted without authorization by France's new Socialist government led by President Mitterrand. Such allegations may never be substantiated, but Kolingba did subsequently enjoy a very close relationship with France and a presidential security team led by Colonel Mantion. Dacko, for his part, was not only unharmed, but eventually returned to politics to lead a party opposed to General Kolingba. Dacko participated in the presidential elections of 1992 and 1993 and in the latter obtained 20.10% of the votes cast. _____________________________________
André-Dieudonné Kolingba (12 August 1936 – 7 February 2010)[1] was the fourth president of the Central African Republic (CAR), from 1 September 1981 until 1 October 1993. He took power from President David Dacko in a bloodless coup d'état in 1981 and lost power to Ange-Félix Patassé in a democratic election held in 1993. Kolingba retained the strong support of France until the fall of the Berlin Wall, after which both internal and external pressure forced him to hold presidential elections which he lost.
His twelve-year term in office saw the growing influence of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank in decisions by donor-nations regarding financial support and management of the Central African state. Many members of Kolingba's ethnic group, the Yakoma people, obtained lucrative posts in the public, private and parastatal sectors of the CAR's economy during his era. This gave rise to growing tension between so-called "southerners" (including the riverine Yakoma) and "northerners" (including the savanna Gbaya) in the CAR which led to violent confrontations between these groups during the Patassé era (1993–2003).
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Ange-Félix Patassé (January 25, 1937 – April 5, 2011) was a Central African politician who was President of the Central African Republic from 1993 until 2003, when he was deposed by the rebel leader François Bozizé. Patassé was the first president in the CAR's history (since 1960) to be chosen in what was generally regarded as a fairly democratic election (1993) in that it was brought about by donor pressure on the Kolingba regime and assisted by the United Nations Electoral Assistance Unit. He was chosen a second time in a fair election (1999) as well. However, during his first term in office (1993–1999), three military mutinies in 1996–1997 led to increasing conflict between so-called "northerners" (like Patassé) and "southerners" (like his predecessor President André Kolingba). Expatriate mediators and peacekeeping troops were brought in to negotiate peace accords between Patassé and the mutineers and to maintain law and order. During his second term as president, Patassé increasingly lost the support of many of his long-time allies as well as the French, who had intervened to support him during his first term in office. Patassé was ousted in March 2003 and went into exile in Togo.
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François Bozizé Yangouvonda (born 14 October 1946) is a Central African politician who was the President of the Central African Republic from 2003 to 2013.
Bozizé rose to become a high-ranking army officer in the 1970s, under the rule of Jean-Bédel Bokassa. After Bokassa was ousted, Bozizé served in the government as Minister of Defense from 1979 to 1981 and as Minister of Information from 1981 to 1982. He participated in a failed 1982 coup attempt against President André Kolingba and subsequently fled the country. Years later, he served as Army Chief of Staff under President Ange-Félix Patassé, but he began a rebellion against Patassé in 2001.
Bozizé's forces captured Bangui in March 2003, while President Ange-Félix Patassé was outside the country, and Bozizé took power, ushering in a transitional period of government. He won the March–May 2005 presidential election in a second round of voting, and he was re-elected in the January 2011 presidential election, winning the vote in the first round.
In December 2012, the CAR was plunged into an uprising by rebel forces who condemned the Bozizé government for not honoring peace agreements after the Central African Republic Bush War in 2007. On 24 March 2013, Bozizé fled to Cameroon via the Democratic Republic of the Congo after the rebel forces attacked the capital city of Bangui and took control of the presidential palace.
For many years Bozizé was considered a supporter of Patassé and helped him suppress army mutinies in 1996 and 1997. Bozizé was named the Armed Forces Chief of Staff.
After Bozizé seized power in 2003, the Central African Republic Bush War began with the rebellion by the Union of Democratic Forces for Unity (UFDR), led by Michel Djotodia.[26] This quickly escalated into major fighting during 2004.[27] The UFDR rebel forces consisted of three allies, the Groupe d'action patriotique pour la liberation de Centrafrique (GAPLC), the Convention of Patriots for Justice and Peace (CPJP), the People's Army for the Restoration of Democracy (APRD), the Movement of Central African Liberators for Justice (MLCJ), and the Front démocratique Centrafricain (FDC)
On 10 December 2012, the Séléka CPSK-CPJP-UFDR (Séléka means coalition) seized the towns of N'Délé, Sam Ouandja and Ouadda. Rebels fought with government and allied CPJP troops for over an hour before securing the town of N'Délé.[48] On 27 December 2012, CAR President Francois Bozizé requested international assistance to help with the rebellion, in particular from France and the United States. French President Francois Hollande rejected the plea, saying that the 250 French troops stationed at Bangui M'Poko International Airport are there "in no way to intervene in the internal affairs".
On 24 March 2013, rebel forces heavily attacked the capital Bangui and took control of major structures, including the presidential palace. Bozizé's family fled across the river to the Democratic Republic of the Congo[56] and then to Yaoundé, the capital of Cameroon, where he was granted temporary refuge.[57] Subsequently, he requested that Benin grant him political asylum.[
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quote:These leaders are just like the African elites that sold my ancestors into slavery.
"Elite" means "best". So whom are you referring to here?
You say your ancestors were sold into slavery. But their descendants are now physically free--so they are free to return to the lands of their ancestors. Right? In fact, Liberia was founded on the idea of a "Law of Return".
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I think slavery was a cruel but legal international business practiced by all races and most nations. Slavery was base on the balance of power of the races and nations. When black people were powerful in world history they enslaved white, Semite and Asian people. When white people became powerful in world history they enslaved black people.
The real problem is not slavery that was invented when man became civilized, the real problem was the right and the treatment of the slave. European chattel slavery during the colonial era in America was the worst kind of slavery that the world has ever known because it was base on racism. According to the French code noire the black African slaves were furniture.
European countries with their armies armed with guns and cannons and a powerful navies armed with cannon wanted slaves for their American plantations and mines. They wouldn't have take no for answer when they asked the African kingdoms armed with middle age sword and bows for slaves. According to scholar Jean Phillipe Omotonde The African coast during the slave trade was encircles by European gun navies and forts. The Native American didn't want to sell the Europeans their lands the consequence was they were wipeout by superior Europeans firepower. The Chinese banned the British Opium dealing in China, the British reacted by sending their superior navy to attacked and defeated China and force them to open their country to the opium trade.
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quote:The real problem is not slavery that was invented when man became civilized, the real problem was the right and the treatment of the slave.
Mena at it's best slavery is demeaning to the human condition,yes some societies had a milder form of it than others but it non the less rob people of their dignity for even a bejeweled well dressed Slave can be sneered at by a free born poor man.
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mena7 - You are right on at least two accounts:
1) Slavery was common in all advanced civilizations.
2) What made the Albinos slavery unique, was that it was "Race" based. Though one could argue that by virtue of the "name" Slavery: i.e. the Albino SLAV'S: medieval slavery may have been "Race" based also.
But what truly distinguishes Albino Slavery from all others, is what went with it.
Not only was it totally Race Based: But in the annals of history, there are no other instances of the conquering people trying to erase all traces of the enslaved, even to acts of genocide and revising history. That is a new wrinkle introduced by the Albino people.
However, let me clarify one point:
When I say the annals of history, I am speaking of conventional text.
The Albino people had the foresight to arrange religious cover and justification for what they did. So you will find enough instances of Genocide and general killing, in the Christian old testament to give you nightmares for a long time. What better way to numb the human mind to what would be asked of the adherents. My guess is that the Turks did the same to the Koran.
On a personal note: Years ago I was researching some history/Bible text for commonality, when I ran across some stories of Moses as leader of the Israelites.
The Genocides he ordered, and his specifically ordering the killing of Women and Children (which were usually spared), certainly put the Albino revised Bible in a new light for me.
BTW - Only when Biblical text actually written by Hebrews is made public (the Dead Sea Scrolls) will we know what the Christian religion is really about.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: where did most of the black slaves come from?
This depended on the Slave trading nation. European Slave nations moved their trading activities form Northwest Africa down to Angola and the Congo.
American slavers specialized in stealing slaves from India and especially the East Coast of Africa. American slavers practically depopulated Mozambique. The British Slavers usually sold slaves from the Senegambian and Guinea coast.
Slavery was different in South America, Mexico and the United States. in the U.S. In the North most slaves worked along side their masters on a farm.
In the South you had large commercial plantations. Plantations were located in areas away from towns. These masters on large plantations usually staked dead slaves on poles, around their plantations to intimidate their slaves. The slaves staked on poles, were usually slaves who were disobedient or had attempted to escape the plantation.
In both the North and South slave masters believed in breeding slaves.
In Latin America, slavery varied. Farm hands were bred. But slaves in Latin American mines were worked to death and then replaced by fresh slaves from Africa. Mine owners felt it was cheaper to work slaves until they died than to breed slaves.
During the Wars for liberation slaves were forced to fight for their revolutionary and non-revolutionary masters, As a result, most African male slaves were killed off during the South American Wars for Liberation. This is why their are so few Blacks in South American countries today, where they may have formerly been the majority.
American slavers specialized in stealing slaves from India and especially the East Coast of Africa. American slavers practically depopulated Mozambique. The British Slavers usually sold slaves from the Senegambian and Guinea coast.
The vast majority of slaves taken by American traders to the U.S. were from West Africa. The main traffickers of Mozambique were Portugese. I have not heard anywhere that there were compartatively significant numbers taken from Mozambique to the U.S. You say that American slavers specialized in stealing slaves from India. What are you talking about? I have never heard that. In what numbers?
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: where did most of the black slaves come from?
This depended on the Slave trading nation. European Slave nations moved their trading activities form Northwest Africa down to Angola and the Congo.
American slavers specialized in stealing slaves from India and especially the East Coast of Africa. American slavers practically depopulated Mozambique. The British Slavers usually sold slaves from the Senegambian and Guinea coast.
Slavery was different in South America, Mexico and the United States. in the U.S. In the North most slaves worked along side their masters on a farm.
In the South you had large commercial plantations. Plantations were located in areas away from towns. These masters on large plantations usually staked dead slaves on poles, around their plantations to intimidate their slaves. The slaves staked on poles, were usually slaves who were disobedient or had attempted to escape the plantation.
In both the North and South slave masters believed in breeding slaves.
In Latin America, slavery varied. Farm hands were bred. But slaves in Latin American mines were worked to death and then replaced by fresh slaves from Africa. Mine owners felt it was cheaper to work slaves until they died than to breed slaves.
During the Wars for liberation slaves were forced to fight for their revolutionary and non-revolutionary masters, As a result, most African male slaves were killed off during the South American Wars for Liberation. This is why their are so few Blacks in South American countries today, where they may have formerly been the majority.
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Don't know if true but remember reading about how Argentina was 50% Black. There war defending there country was fought by majority Africans and if the Italian, I mean White Argentineans have there way Tango(A dance created by Africans) would lose its heritage.
What I dislike about Argentina is not that its Majority white, but that its majority racist. They think for some foolish reason they are better then Brazillians maybe football(soccer) has something to do with it and I hope thats the only reason. If not for Che Guevara and his non racist fight for Independence I would probably not even read up on this Country.
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War of the Triple Alliance, also called Paraguayan War, Spanish Guerra de la Triple Alianza, Portuguese Guerra da Tríplice Aliança , (1864/65–70), the bloodiest conflict in Latin American history, fought between Paraguay and the allied countries of Argentina, Brazil, and Uruguay.
Paraguay had been involved in boundary and tariff disputes with its more powerful neighbours, Argentina and Brazil, for years. The Uruguayans had also struggled to achieve and maintain their independence from those same powers, especially from Argentina.
In 1864 Brazil helped the leader of Uruguay’s Colorado Party to oust his Blanco (White) Party opponent, whereupon the dictator of Paraguay, Francisco Solano López, believing that the regional balance of power was threatened, went to war with Brazil. Bartolomé Mitre, president of Argentina, then organized an alliance with Brazil and Colorado-controlled Uruguay (the Triple Alliance), and together they declared war on Paraguay on May 1, 1865.
López’s action—following his buildup of a 50,000-man army, then the strongest in Latin America—was viewed by many as aggression for self- and national aggrandizement; but, as the war wore on, many Argentines and others saw the conflict as Mitre’s war of conquest.
It caused approximately 390,000 deaths, the highest rate of fatalities related to the number of combatants of any war in modern history. It particularly devastated Paraguay, which suffered catastrophic losses in population and was forced to cede territory to Argentina and Brazil.
According to the Argentina national census of 2010, the total Argentine population amount is 40,117,096, of which 149.493 are from African ancestry. The Afro-Argentine population resulting from the slave trade during the centuries of Spanish domination of the Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata had a major role in Argentine history. Throughout the 18th and 19th centuries, they comprised up to fifty percent of the population in some provinces, and had a deep impact on national culture. In the 19th century, the population declined sharply in number as a result of several factors such as the Argentine War of Independence (c. 1810-1818), high infant mortality rates, low numbers of married couples in this ethnic group, the Paraguayan War, cholera epidemics in 1861 and 1864, as well as a yellow fever epidemic in 1871. By the late 19th century, the Afro-Argentine population consisted mainly of women who mixed with European immigrants, whom arrived by the thousands on Argentine soil. In fact, the immigration torrent was so strong that Argentina eventually became the second country in the world that received the most immigrants, with 6.6 millions, second only to the USA.
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KING - Out of curiosity, how much of the above Albino history, as relates to what happened to Blacks, do you believe?
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American slavers specialized in stealing slaves from India and especially the East Coast of Africa. American slavers practically depopulated Mozambique. The British Slavers usually sold slaves from the Senegambian and Guinea coast.
The vast majority of slaves taken by American traders to the U.S. were from West Africa. The main traffickers of Mozambique were Portugese. I have not heard anywhere that there were compartatively significant numbers taken from Mozambique to the U.S. You say that American slavers specialized in stealing slaves from India. What are you talking about? I have never heard that. In what numbers?
That's because you haven't done the research. I discuss the Mozambique trade below:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: War of the Triple Alliance, also called Paraguayan War, Spanish Guerra de la Triple Alianza, Portuguese Guerra da Tríplice Aliança , (1864/65–70), the bloodiest conflict in Latin American history, fought between Paraguay and the allied countries of Argentina, Brazil, and Uruguay.
Paraguay had been involved in boundary and tariff disputes with its more powerful neighbours, Argentina and Brazil, for years. The Uruguayans had also struggled to achieve and maintain their independence from those same powers, especially from Argentina.
In 1864 Brazil helped the leader of Uruguay’s Colorado Party to oust his Blanco (White) Party opponent, whereupon the dictator of Paraguay, Francisco Solano López, believing that the regional balance of power was threatened, went to war with Brazil. Bartolomé Mitre, president of Argentina, then organized an alliance with Brazil and Colorado-controlled Uruguay (the Triple Alliance), and together they declared war on Paraguay on May 1, 1865.
López’s action—following his buildup of a 50,000-man army, then the strongest in Latin America—was viewed by many as aggression for self- and national aggrandizement; but, as the war wore on, many Argentines and others saw the conflict as Mitre’s war of conquest.
It caused approximately 390,000 deaths, the highest rate of fatalities related to the number of combatants of any war in modern history. It particularly devastated Paraguay, which suffered catastrophic losses in population and was forced to cede territory to Argentina and Brazil.
According to the Argentina national census of 2010, the total Argentine population amount is 40,117,096, of which 149.493 are from African ancestry. The Afro-Argentine population resulting from the slave trade during the centuries of Spanish domination of the Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata had a major role in Argentine history. Throughout the 18th and 19th centuries, they comprised up to fifty percent of the population in some provinces, and had a deep impact on national culture. In the 19th century, the population declined sharply in number as a result of several factors such as the Argentine War of Independence (c. 1810-1818), high infant mortality rates, low numbers of married couples in this ethnic group, the Paraguayan War, cholera epidemics in 1861 and 1864, as well as a yellow fever epidemic in 1871. By the late 19th century, the Afro-Argentine population consisted mainly of women who mixed with European immigrants, whom arrived by the thousands on Argentine soil. In fact, the immigration torrent was so strong that Argentina eventually became the second country in the world that received the most immigrants, with 6.6 millions, second only to the USA.
I asked KING how much of this Albino history he believed, but got no reply.
He,he,he,he:
I think I just outed KING.
So the question is asked of all, how much, if any, of this do you believe?
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quote:These leaders are just like the African elites that sold my ancestors into slavery.
"Elite" means "best". So whom are you referring to here?
You say your ancestors were sold into slavery. But their descendants are now physically free--so they are free to return to the lands of their ancestors. Right? In fact, Liberia was founded on the idea of a "Law of Return".
You have been listening to the nonsense of Palestinians and Khazars for too long. There is no such a thing as a "Law or Right of Return".
As soon as one person leaves a plot of useable land, for whatever reason, it is quickly claimed by another. Any land that Black westerners take in Africa, would be at the expense of a native African. The ongoing conflicts in Liberia and Sierra Leone no doubt have this truth at its core. Even Senegal's promise of free land (worthless as that land is) would likely still take from a local.
Of course all of that dodges the salient point:
Of the millions of Blacks in the West, only the tiniest percentage have ever actually moved to Africa. And of those, some have returned to the West. Yes, the racist West!
Repeat: they preferred the Racist West to Africa.
I believe the Rapist Eldridge Cleaver was one of those.
I wonder if those singing the praises of Africa would care to explain that?
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It's a simple question, no proof is required, just your opinion. So what is stopping you from answering?
Even Jari could see a conflict there.
conflict or not...some say the Afrotinegen's are closer to 2 milli.
Like I said could careless about Argentina. Maybe you have been there mike. Can you tell the forum, whether they are racists or are they misunderstood?
Yeah I undertsand they claim that Brazil and Argentina were some socalled union. TRUE Mike or Not?
Was Che a Freedom fighter or was he a racist Mike?
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Mike, You love to dabble in unreal and fabricated history--manufactured in your fevered mind.
The conflict in Sierra Leone had nothing to do with indigenous vs returnees. The Krios are less than 5% of the population of Sierra Leone and they live mainly in Freetown. They were practically non-involved in the Civil War of the 1990s. The conflict in Liberia was staged by the CIA and though prompted by the Americo-Liberian(called "Congos" in Liberia) class dominance ended up being a struggle for power between war-lords. The Congos are still in Monrovia and the Charles Taylor(ex-president) and Johnson-Sirleaf(current President) are both regarded as Americo-Liberian. Though there has such a great amount of ethnic intermingling that such distinctions are held to be significant.
Mike, you are very amusing concerning your knowledge of Africa. Liberia is bigger then South Korea(50 million) yet has a population of only 4 million--maximum. When the returnees settled in Liberia its population was less than 1 million. Same with Sierra Leone. The returnees--may of whom were resettled in the colony of Freetown after being rescued from ships that were still smuggling captives after abolition--were settled in the Colony of Freetown which at that time was sparsely populated. Note that Lagos(a Portugese name), Nigeria was founded by African Brazilian captives who revolted and were dispatched back to the area now known as Lagos. Same for Benin Republic where some of the African Brazilians were sent.
So Mike, explain why the settler whites in South Africa, Nambibia, Kenya, etc. just don't want to leave. Whites also love Gabon and many just never leave after many years there.
The Lebanese, Indians and Chinese are flocking in too. Why is that? Plus, the Portugese are now sending their unemployed to Angola and Mozamibique given the hard times in Portugal. And the settler Arabs of North Africa hardly refer to themselves as "Africans" yet they never ever want to return to Arabia.
Re: Israel and Palestine. Something will be worked out for the Palestinian refugees as U.S. power in the region wanes. They will get their demands met for the most part.
Hong Kong was returned to China after 100 years and the Portugese had to give up Macao.
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The nonsense about loss's from the Argentine War of Independence and the Paraguayan War would make sense, if only Blacks fought in those Wars. But quite to the contrary, the Albinos say that THEY were the chief combatants, NOT Blacks. So how could it be that ONLY Blacks were devastated?
Similarly: high infant mortality rates, and low numbers of married couples in this ethnic group is cited.
But My, my, doesn't that sound like any modern Racist talking about Ghetto inhabitants, rather than Black pioneers?
What, White Babies are stronger than Black Babies? What, Whites Marry, Blacks don't? Like I said that's pure "MODERN" Racism.
Finally, it's admitted that only Women were left.
You see, that's how I outed you KING. You may be dumb, but you ain't that dumb.
Argentina is a clear case of Black Genocide, but you couldn't bring yourself to admit that, nor the fact that your people routinely do murder and other crimes against humanity.
But yet you barefacedly sing those "Combyya" songs about the brotherhood of man, all the while knowing that Albinos use these tactics to catch Blacks unawares and defenseless - What hypocrisy!
Of course that does not excuse the Blacks own responsibility for falling for the Albino mans ruses. These were obviously naive Native PaleoAmericans and African Slaves.
Black North Americans, who were mainly from Europe, would NEVER have fallen for those Albino tactics.
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On the "Law of Return" : Mike, you are woefully ignorant of history and the power of conquerors. Any Jew can just get on a plane and settle in Israel at any time. That's real Mike. I once saw on TV a Jewish family from Brooklyn, New York boasting that they had finally returned to their homeland--promised by their God. Now, how did they get to Israel? They just got some papers and flew in at the Tel-Aviv airport. Simple. Same for the Russian Jews who just flooded in during the 1980s. The Falasha of Ethiopia tried it but they are seen mainly as fake Jews looking for a handout. Same for the U.S. blacks at Dimona. The Jews--bemused--just sent them to the desert to isolate them.
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lamin, your post is hardly worth answering. But I worry that Jari might believe you, hell, that fool will believe anything.
So suffice to say that Whites in Africa have the expectation of living as "Lords of the Land" in their own White or foreign communities. NOT as workers of the land, and members of African communities. They expect Africans to be their servants - ASSHOLE!
The curse is for trying to feed me simple-minded nonsense like that.
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Mike you don't have to tell me about Racist disgusting Argentians. Don't respect racists.
Heck even an toothless racist euro will make derogatory remarks to others thinking somehow instead of understanding what it means to be disadvantgaed they would cling to there skin color as if that gives them free reign to hate others. Funny thing though is other selfhating minorites will laugh at that not realizing that they are STILL breeding hate based on color. Imagine an Afghan calling someone "abeed" when there country is controlled by america. Just gotta laugh at these self haters can't hate them back because you play right into the hands of the euros . They want poor people attacking eachother fighting over crumbs meanwhile they eat the whole pie.
Che was an real revolutionary, too bad his countrymen are so backwards.
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quote:So suffice to say that Whites in Africa have the expectation of living as "Lords of the Land" in their own White or foreign communities. NOT as workers of the land, and members of African communities. They expect Africans to be their servants - ASSHOLE!
There you go, contradicting yourself--as usual. You wrote that blacks in Western countries avoid Africa--as if there was something intrinsically wrong with Africa. I pointed out that whites who settled in Africa just love it there and never want to leave.
So explain why blacks from Western countries behave towards Africa in ways diametrically opposite those of the whites?
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quote:Black North Americans, who were mainly from Europe, would NEVER have fallen for those Albino tactics.
So how did they get over to America. Mike?
Ellis Island or JFK? Loony tunes to start the New Year. Mike, you are a riot. Keep it up Mike. They say laughter is a good health tonic. Thanks Mike.
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Black North Americans, who were mainly from Europe, would NEVER have fallen for those Albino tactics.
How could the Black British, Portugese, Spanish, French, Dutch, etc speaking European blacks become slaves in North America? I thought they where killed off in a genocide in Europe?
And why kill them? Couldn't they be used as slaves? How did all those European blacks get in Brazil and the Carribean? I thought they killed off the Euroblacks in a genocide in Europe?
I'm sure Mike can make it all add up
The greatest albino trick was to get these British, French, Dutch, etc speaking European blacks to think they were from Africa. We fell for their tactics but Mike has shown us who we truly are.
Blacks in America and Brazil need to stop saying they are African when in fact the vast majority are native Europeans, the European Blackman aka the Euroblack
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Lamin you make a great point to Mike by telling him millions of Europeans live in Africa. Mike was trying to downgrade Africa by saying African Americans who migrated to Africa cant lived there so they migrated back to racist America. The reality is if you are not a professional with a college degree or a rich businessman with a lot of money in the bank it will be difficult for you to migrate and live in Africa ,Asia or Latin America because there is not enough regular jobs for the native population.
Lamin you are right there are millions of white Europeans living in Africa. Many of the Europeans are French, British, German, Portuguese, Dutch etc. Most of them are professionals, businessmen or working for Western corporations. I know the Lebanese have a heavy presence in West Africa. The Chinese now are migrating to Africa. It looks like Africa is the place to be in the 21st cent.
I didn't Know African immigrants from Brazil created the Nigerian city of Lagos. There is a possibility those Africans who created the city of Lagos were black Portugueses who lived in Brazil. According to IronLion after the Reconquista of the Iberian peninsula many black Moors and black Jews migrated to Nigeria. Lioness I think the black Europeans who didn't want to bleach out by mixing with white migrated to Africa, the Caribbean, Latin America and North America. In Africa they integrated the major African tribes. In Latin America the black Europeans became part of the mulato class. In the Caribbean the black European became part of the Afranchis class or free black. In America the black European became the southern black plantation owners who owned slaves and later they bleach out by marrying their black children to white children.
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The oldest (as relates to man) and richest continent on Earth, is also the poorest and most backward continent on Earth. It can't employ it's people, and it cannot feed all of it's people.
Listening to the likes of lamin, helps me make sense of it all. As a matter of fact, listening to lamin make me wonder how they've done so well.
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quote:In America the black European became the southern black plantation owners who owned slaves and later they bleach out by marrying their black children to white children.
Yeah like emperor Bokassa was a black European.
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quote:In America the black European became the southern black plantation owners who owned slaves and later they bleach out by marrying their black children to white children.
Yeah like emperor Bokassa was a black European.
How easy it is for the ignorant to make snide remarks when as known ignoramuses there is no expectation of proof by anyone.
Mena7 on the other hand CAN provide circumstantial evidence in support of that position.
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Mike why you getting upset with me for the guy have a European king's state of mind plus he BLK!Aka a "Black European" , complete with the gold laurel leaf crown like a Caesar. All hail Caesar Bokassa emporer of Ro.."ahem".."cough" "cough"..haruuumph! ...Central African Republic.. Posts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: I wonder if Mike thinks he's not of African descent, Mike ?
All humans, even you Albinos, are of African descent.
That's a cop out. I mean do you have recent African ancestry, ancestors native to Africa within the past 1000 years?
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Lioness That's a cop out. I mean do you have recent African ancestry, ancestors native to Africa within the past 1000 years?
Come on within 1000 yrs??? that'whats we call a soft ball I can find more than a few European white folks that would point to recent African ancestry within the last 150 to 200yrs.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Lioness That's a cop out. I mean do you have recent African ancestry, ancestors native to Africa within the past 1000 years?
Come on within 1000 yrs??? that'whats we call a soft ball I can find more than a few European white folks that would point to recent African ancestry within the last 150 to 200yrs.
OK 60% or more recent, within 1000 years, African ancestry. got to be some way to phrase it
Mike has already said he's Middle Eastern so I don't know why he is so more obsessed with Black Europeans and thinks Middle Easterners are shabby, go figure
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: I don't know why he is so more obsessed with Black Europeans and thinks Middle Easterners are shabby, go figure
The youngsters on the forum can search posts from back a few years, and see similar comments about my "Supposed" obsession with Turks.
At that time, my insistence that the White and White-like (Mulatto) people in Arabia, North Africa, and the Middle East were in fact Turks NOT Arabs, who were Black: And also some people from recent European Invasions: was meant with laughter and derisive comments.
Now after years of patient teaching of actual history, only the truly stupid, still confuse Turks and Arabs.
Just as there was ample evidence of Turks taking on the identities of Blacks, there is also ample evidence of Black Europeans in Europe and the Americas. Once uncovered, truth cannot be stopped.
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^You asked the question several times in the past, and it was answered. Just two posts above, you use part of the answer. Yet you STILL ask the same question again. Clearly lack of Melanin has had a very bad effect on your Brain tissue.
See that's the trouble with lies, It's hard to remember and keep track of all of them.
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somebody please isolate the Mike quotes in this thread where he clarifies if he's native European or not
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Here is an interesting number for those interested in actually researching Brazil, as opposed to simply repeating what the Albinos tell you - like the Negroes who did the film above did.
In 1865 the Black population of Brazil was 3.5 million.
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Mike a while ago you said you were Middle Eastern.
Many black people in this forum would be happy to say they are not primarily European in ancestry.
>>> For the record Mikew you are not primarily European. correct?
please answer this so we can move on, I dont want to keep bringing it up
You need to give a clear answer on this because many of your posts say most African Americans are primarily black Europeans not primarily African. People should no if you are part of this or not
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