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Excellent conference lecture, Dr. Winters. And back in 1997!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6TuODS64AY&feature=em-upload_owner

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Marc thanks for the support. I posted this presentation because many people assume that I have not presented my work before European professionals working on Meso-American studies.


I made many presentations on the Olmecs at Anthrpological Conferences in which members of tha Academe attended. I made these presentations because back in the 1990's some laymen and other detractors attacking my work accussed me of not presenting my work before the academic community.


I have made presentation at international and national anthropological meetings, before my "peers" including AAA. For example Linda Schele attended my 1997 Olmec presentation.


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Friday, April 16th
... in Highland Chiapas. 9:30. Clyde Winters (Loyola U - Chicago) Olmec Symbolism in the Mayan Writing. 9:50. Nestor Quiroa (U Illinois ...
www.aaanet.org/csas/mtg99/program/pfri.html - 47k - Cached - Similar pages

Saturday, April 17th
... 11:15. Samuel Cooper (Bar Ilan U) The Classification of Biblical Sacrifice. 11:35. Clyde Winters (Loyola U - Chicago) Harappan Origins of Yogi. 11:55. ...
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preliminary program csas98
... Mexican Villages. 4:10 Clyde A. Winters (Uthman dan Fodio I) Jaguar Kings: Olmec Royalty and Religious Leaders in the First Person. 4:30 ...
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Thursday April, 3 - Early Afternoon
... Russia [1413]. 2:30 pm - Clyde A. Winters (Uthman dan Fodio Institute) - The Decipherment of Olmec Writing [1414]. 2:50 pm - James ...
www.aaanet.org/csas/mtg97/final.htm - 36k - Cached - Similar pages


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That's a really impressive corpus. You have been denied legitimate and exemplary recognition. Because the powers that be defend the mythologized view of history their predecessors hideously prefabricated. And they have an industry going back as far as written history itself successfully promoting themselves to the world. What a sad and destructive sham. I hope one day you get the recognition you deserve.

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'Dr'. Clyde Winters is a fraud and charlatan.

His "peer reviewed" literature is mostly open access, which involves a charge being paid by the author, or from pseudo-science/fringe journals.

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Open access has been criticized on quality grounds, as the desire to obtain publishing fees could cause the journal to relax the standard of peer review.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_publishing#Open_access_journals

The sort of extreme fringe journals Clyde get's his crackpottery printed in include white supremacist journals. He must be desperate.

The migration routes of the Proto-Mande
CA Winters
The Mankind Quarterly 27 (1), 77-96

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The Mankind Quarterly

It has been called a "cornerstone of the scientific racism establishment" and a "white supremacist journal", "scientific racism's keepers of the flame", a journal with a "racist orientation" and an "infamous racist journal", and "journal of 'scientific racism'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mankind_Quarterly
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quote:
Originally posted by Dead:
'Dr'. Clyde Winters is a fraud and charlatan.

His "peer reviewed" literature is mostly open access, which involves a charge being paid by the author, or from pseudo-science/fringe journals.

quote:
Open access has been criticized on quality grounds, as the desire to obtain publishing fees could cause the journal to relax the standard of peer review.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_publishing#Open_access_journals

The sort of extreme fringe journals Clyde get's his crackpottery printed in include white supremacist journals. He must be desperate.

The migration routes of the Proto-Mande
CA Winters
The Mankind Quarterly 27 (1), 77-96

quote:
The Mankind Quarterly

It has been called a "cornerstone of the scientific racism establishment" and a "white supremacist journal", "scientific racism's keepers of the flame", a journal with a "racist orientation" and an "infamous racist journal", and "journal of 'scientific racism'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mankind_Quarterly

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LOL.You wish I was a fraud. I am proud of my Mankind articles. It is the only article on the Proto-Mande language. Plus only Academe recognized papers are cited in PubMed.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2861655/The-dwindling-South-African-tribe-number-just-100-000-common-humans-earth.html

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I can just run a name-check on Google Scholar.

Most your papers are open access or from fringe/obscure journals, not legitimate peer-reviewed. A proper scholar came here several years back and told you this when he debated you on the Olmecs. He also called you a fraud.

Most your papers are published in strange journals from India or pseudo-scientific Afrocentric journals (e.g. Sertima's Journal of African Civilizations).

Proper journals like Current Anthropology, have put out papers debunking your claims since the 90s.
Robbing Native American Cultures: Van Sertima's Afrocentricity and the Olmecs

See footnote 10.

Also:

de Montellano, Bernard Ortiz, Gabriel Haslip-Viera, and Warren Barbour. "They were not here before Columbus: Afrocentric Hyperdiffusionism in the 1990s." Ethnohistory (1997): 199-234.

Again your claims are easily dismissed here (you are mentioned in a footnote).

You were basically labelled a "hyperdiffusionist black supremacist" crank in the 90s. Since then no scholar even pays any attention to your nonsense.

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quote:
Originally posted by kdolo:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2861655/The-dwindling-South-African-tribe-number-just-100-000-common-humans-earth.html

Great article.

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Khoisan, or Bushmen, now number about 100,000 individuals
For much of last 150,000 years tribe comprised majority of living humans
Only during the last 22,000 years have other African ethnicities, including the ones giving rise to Europeans and Asians, become bigger


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@Dead

Don't you think that any claims of fraud against Clyde Winters or any other persons writings should be based on "your" own reading of his work, rather than the type of journals that publish his work?

I am not an expert in these areas, I can't even claim to have more than a layman's curiousity in any of these fields, but I have observed enough of so-called Afrocentric evidence to see the clear bias of Western scholars, in which they ignore or misinterpret evidence that undermines the world view they prefer to represent.

I suppose the so called mainstream peer-reviewed publications your refer to are not free of what some round here might call "Eurocentrism".

If you are going to call someone a fraud, as opposed to believing some of their interpretations of the known facts are outlandish (according to currently accepted views), then present evidence you have checked and verified yourself, and give the accused the opportunity to respond to your accusations.

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Dr. Winters is a storyteller, weaving facts, fiction and speculation into plausible (to himself and intended audience) stories.

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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
quote:
Originally posted by Dead:
'Dr'. Clyde Winters is a fraud and charlatan.

His "peer reviewed" literature is mostly open access, which involves a charge being paid by the author, or from pseudo-science/fringe journals.

quote:
Open access has been criticized on quality grounds, as the desire to obtain publishing fees could cause the journal to relax the standard of peer review.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_publishing#Open_access_journals

The sort of extreme fringe journals Clyde get's his crackpottery printed in include white supremacist journals. He must be desperate.

The migration routes of the Proto-Mande
CA Winters
The Mankind Quarterly 27 (1), 77-96

quote:
The Mankind Quarterly

It has been called a "cornerstone of the scientific racism establishment" and a "white supremacist journal", "scientific racism's keepers of the flame", a journal with a "racist orientation" and an "infamous racist journal", and "journal of 'scientific racism'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mankind_Quarterly

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LOL.You wish I was a fraud. I am proud of my Mankind articles. It is the only article on the Proto-Mande language. Plus only Academe recognized papers are cited in PubMed.

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Clyde, you are taking advantage of some naiveté about peer reviewed journals and Pub Med. What thou claim is not accurate. Most of the "articles" you claim in journals like PNAS are your letters commenting on a legitimate article. These letters are NOT reviewed and just published-- i.e. like the vanity press Current research Journal of Social Sciences which has no review and published your article full of typos so it was not even proofread.
Similarly, the talk that is mentioned at the start of this thread, is NOT peer reviewed. Talks at regional meetings, particularly those that not part of organized sessions on a particular topic are NOT reviewed or given academic approval.

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quote:
Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
quote:
Originally posted by Dead:
'Dr'. Clyde Winters is a fraud and charlatan.

His "peer reviewed" literature is mostly open access, which involves a charge being paid by the author, or from pseudo-science/fringe journals.

quote:
Open access has been criticized on quality grounds, as the desire to obtain publishing fees could cause the journal to relax the standard of peer review.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_publishing#Open_access_journals

The sort of extreme fringe journals Clyde get's his crackpottery printed in include white supremacist journals. He must be desperate.

The migration routes of the Proto-Mande
CA Winters
The Mankind Quarterly 27 (1), 77-96

quote:
The Mankind Quarterly

It has been called a "cornerstone of the scientific racism establishment" and a "white supremacist journal", "scientific racism's keepers of the flame", a journal with a "racist orientation" and an "infamous racist journal", and "journal of 'scientific racism'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mankind_Quarterly

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LOL.You wish I was a fraud. I am proud of my Mankind articles. It is the only article on the Proto-Mande language. Plus only Academe recognized papers are cited in PubMed.

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Clyde, you are taking advantage of some naiveté about peer reviewed journals and Pub Med. What thou claim is not accurate. Most of the "articles" you claim in journals like PNAS are your letters commenting on a legitimate article. These letters are NOT reviewed and just published-- i.e. like the vanity press Current research Journal of Social Sciences which has no review and published your article full of typos so it was not even proofread.
Similarly, the talk that is mentioned at the start of this thread, is NOT peer reviewed. Talks at regional meetings, particularly those that not part of organized sessions on a particular topic are NOT reviewed or given academic approval.

LOL. You continue to be the Great Deciever.

This is false. Thousands of proposals are submitted for possible presentation they go through a peer review process before they are accepted for presentation. Stop pretending that every proposal submitted to Conferences is presented at the formal meeting.

Secondly, article, letter etc., if published in a peer-reviewed journal is peer reviewed. You do not have a paper cited by PubMed unless it was peer reviewed by the Academe experts.

LOL. You're just jealous that my work is published in many journals, and you only published the one paper in Current Anthropology. The fact my papers are cited at PubMed acknowledge they were peer reviewed.

Moreover, the number one cited paper on haplogroup M1 in East Africa, by Lluís Quintana-Murci Ornella Semino Hans-J. Bandelt Giuseppe Passarino Ken McElreavey & A. Silvana Santachiara-Benerecetti, Genetic evidence of an early exit of Homo sapiens sapiens from Africa through eastern Africa, was a letter in the journal Nature Genetics: http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v23/n4/full/ng1299_437.html

This Letter, is cited in 430 peer reviewed articles. This illustrates what little knowledge you have of the process of science and knowledge production. Letters to the Editor, in Science, is just as important as the research article.

This shows the important role Letters to the Editor, play in scientific research.

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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
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Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl:
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Clyde, you are taking advantage of some naiveté about peer reviewed journals and Pub Med. What thou claim is not accurate. Most of the "articles" you claim in journals like PNAS are your letters commenting on a legitimate article. These letters are NOT reviewed and just published-- i.e. like the vanity press Current research Journal of Social Sciences which has no review and published your article full of typos so it was not even proofread.
Similarly, the talk that is mentioned at the start of this thread, is NOT peer reviewed. Talks at regional meetings, particularly those that not part of organized sessions on a particular topic are NOT reviewed or given academic approval. [/qb]

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LOL. You continue to be the Great Deciever.

Secondly, article, letter etc., if published in a peer-reviewed journal is peer reviewed. You do not have a paper cited by PubMed unless it was peer reviewed by the Academe experts.

WRONG. You are playing semantics assuming that your readers don't know the difference. Letters to the editor and articles to journals are peer reviewed BUT what you have been sending in are COMMENTS AND RESPONSES which are not peer reviewed thus your claim that to be cited in pubMed guarantees peer review or acceptance by the scientific community is baloney. The reason your comment on Friedlander's paper is listed is BECAUSE it is attached to a valid paper and is included fro completeness. Just as another comment that just congratulated the authors was also listed.

The paper in question is:
Friedlander, J. S., et al. 2008 “The Genetic Structure of Pacific Islanders” PLoS Genetics January 18, 2008 DOI: 10.1371/journal.pgen.0040019

Clyde's comment is:
Winters, C. 2008 “Skeletal Evidence of Early Polynesian and Melanesian Contact in East Asia,”
Posted by PLoS_Genetics on 26 Feb 2008 at 13:45 GMT
Originally submitted as a Reader Response by Clyde Winters (c-winters@govst.edu) on 25 January 2008:

Notice that the response was posted one day after receiving—i.e. no time for peer review.

following is a letter from the editor of PLoS Genetics:

"Thanks for your message – good question. Reader Responses are intended to be more informal and to encourage community dialogue. As such, they do not undergo peer review by our editors or by external referees (whereas correspondence is treated differently and is peer reviewed).

Instead, Reader Responses are reviewed by staff (to check they are not obscene, abusive, defamatory, libelous, or in some other way illegal or discriminatory; otherwise, we will post them). I hope this helps.

Best wishes,
Andy

Andy Collings
Publications Manager, PLoS Genetics


I could multiply this with similar letters from Bioassays, and other journals, but this will suffice to show who is a liar and who is not. Readers of the discussion group can go to the open access PLoS Genetics and verify that my cites are exact. Clyde is trying to gain some measure of academic respectability, which cannot be gotten by publishing in vanity journals and self published Amazon books by leeching on to legitimate peer reviewed articles with non-reviewable "comments" and "responses."


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LOL. You're just jealous that my work is published in many journals, and you only published the one paper in Current Anthropology. The fact my papers are cited at PubMed acknowledge they were peer reviewed.
As I have shown this is not true. As to my record of refereed publications :
Among my 48 articles in refereed journals are, 2 lead articles in Science, 3 articles in Current Anthropology, 1 article inAmerican Anthropologist in addition a number of book chapters and 4 invited Encyclopedia articles. Oh yes, a book published by Rutgers University Press and translated to Spanish by Siglo XX publishers.

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Moreover, the number one cited paper on haplogroup M1 in East Africa, by Lluís Quintana-Murci Ornella Semino Hans-J. Bandelt Giuseppe Passarino Ken McElreavey & A. Silvana Santachiara-Benerecetti, Genetic evidence of an early exit of Homo sapiens sapiens from Africa through eastern Africa, was a letter in the journal Nature Genetics: http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v23/n4/full/ng1299_437.html

This Letter, is cited in 430 peer reviewed articles. This illustrates what little knowledge you have of the process of science and knowledge production. Letters to the Editor, in Science, is just as important as the research article.

Again , playing with words, As the letter from the editor of PLoS Genetics pointed out {b]Letters to the Editor[/b} ARE peer reviewed. The problem is that what you send in are NOT letters to the editor but non-reviewable "comments and responses"
How long can you fool your followers?

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quote:
Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
quote:
Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl:
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Clyde, you are taking advantage of some naiveté about peer reviewed journals and Pub Med. What thou claim is not accurate. Most of the "articles" you claim in journals like PNAS are your letters commenting on a legitimate article. These letters are NOT reviewed and just published-- i.e. like the vanity press Current research Journal of Social Sciences which has no review and published your article full of typos so it was not even proofread.
Similarly, the talk that is mentioned at the start of this thread, is NOT peer reviewed. Talks at regional meetings, particularly those that not part of organized sessions on a particular topic are NOT reviewed or given academic approval.

quote:
LOL. You continue to be the Great Deciever.

Secondly, article, letter etc., if published in a peer-reviewed journal is peer reviewed. You do not have a paper cited by PubMed unless it was peer reviewed by the Academe experts.

WRONG. You are playing semantics assuming that your readers don't know the difference. Letters to the editor and articles to journals are peer reviewed BUT what you have been sending in are COMMENTS AND RESPONSES which are not peer reviewed thus your claim that to be cited in pubMed guarantees peer review or acceptance by the scientific community is baloney. The reason your comment on Friedlander's paper is listed is BECAUSE it is attached to a valid paper and is included fro completeness. Just as another comment that just congratulated the authors was also listed.

The paper in question is:
Friedlander, J. S., et al. 2008 “The Genetic Structure of Pacific Islanders” PLoS Genetics January 18, 2008 DOI: 10.1371/journal.pgen.0040019

Clyde's comment is:
Winters, C. 2008 “Skeletal Evidence of Early Polynesian and Melanesian Contact in East Asia,”
Posted by PLoS_Genetics on 26 Feb 2008 at 13:45 GMT
Originally submitted as a Reader Response by Clyde Winters (c-winters@govst.edu) on 25 January 2008:

Notice that the response was posted one day after receiving—i.e. no time for peer review.

following is a letter from the editor of PLoS Genetics:

"Thanks for your message – good question. Reader Responses are intended to be more informal and to encourage community dialogue. As such, they do not undergo peer review by our editors or by external referees (whereas correspondence is treated differently and is peer reviewed).

Instead, Reader Responses are reviewed by staff (to check they are not obscene, abusive, defamatory, libelous, or in some other way illegal or discriminatory; otherwise, we will post them). I hope this helps.

Best wishes,
Andy

Andy Collings
Publications Manager, PLoS Genetics


I could multiply this with similar letters from Bioassays, and other journals, but this will suffice to show who is a liar and who is not. Readers of the discussion group can go to the open access PLoS Genetics and verify that my cites are exact. Clyde is trying to gain some measure of academic respectability, which cannot be gotten by publishing in vanity journals and self published Amazon books by leeching on to legitimate peer reviewed articles with non-reviewable "comments" and "responses."


quote:
LOL. You're just jealous that my work is published in many journals, and you only published the one paper in Current Anthropology. The fact my papers are cited at PubMed acknowledge they were peer reviewed.
As I have shown this is not true. As to my record of refereed publications :
Among my 48 articles in refereed journals are, 2 lead articles in Science, 3 articles in Current Anthropology, 1 article inAmerican Anthropologist in addition a number of book chapters and 4 invited Encyclopedia articles. Oh yes, a book published by Rutgers University Press and translated to Spanish by Siglo XX publishers.

quote:
Moreover, the number one cited paper on haplogroup M1 in East Africa, by Lluís Quintana-Murci Ornella Semino Hans-J. Bandelt Giuseppe Passarino Ken McElreavey & A. Silvana Santachiara-Benerecetti, Genetic evidence of an early exit of Homo sapiens sapiens from Africa through eastern Africa, was a letter in the journal Nature Genetics: http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v23/n4/full/ng1299_437.html

This Letter, is cited in 430 peer reviewed articles. This illustrates what little knowledge you have of the process of science and knowledge production. Letters to the Editor, in Science, is just as important as the research article.

Again , playing with words, As the letter from the editor of PLoS Genetics pointed out {b]Letters to the Editor[/b} ARE peer reviewed. The problem is that what you send in are NOT letters to the editor but non-reviewable "comments and responses"
How long can you fool your followers? [/QB]

LOL. Your jealousy will get you no-where. You published one article attacking Ivan's work, and that is your major contribution. In fact in this article you claimed I supported a Nubian discovery of America. Anybody with a cursory knowledge of my Olmec research knows I maintain the Olmec people spoke a Mande language and were called Xi.

Your research pales in comparison, to my 5 articles I have contributed to Books, 20 contributions to the Dravidian and other Encyclopedias, over 200 articles in journals, 100-150 web articles and around 16 books. In addition, 91 videos and between 100-150 presentations at National and International Conferences. The only paper cited by you is the Current Anthropology piece which has nothing to do with my research.

Deceitful One speaks again. I am not claiming that my 10-12 Comments to PLoS papers are letters to the editors. My letters to the editors were published by BioEssay and the Proceedings of the Royal Society. These papers were responded to by the authors.

Stop trying to compare my comments to PLoS articles and the Dienekes.blogspot, as letters to the editor. Oh Great Deceiver you are the one trying to be tricky .

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Whether You agree with Dr. Winters or not.

It seems some people are intent to discredit Black people bold enough to publish there work that is not en vogue with the white establishment.

Does not even matter if said person has taught other white people his views and the listened to him. These people covet what Clyde is doing so much that they will attack all his work and claim "How dare this Black Man think for himself, fall in line or face the wrath of the white establshment"

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[3.21] The Icthyophagi on reaching this people, delivered the gifts to the king of the country, and spoke as follows:- "Cambyses, king of the Persians, anxious to become thy ally and sworn friend, has sent us to hold converse with thee, and to bear thee the gifts thou seest, which are the things wherein he himself delights the most." Hereon the Ethiopian, who knew they came as spies, made answer:- "The king of the Persians sent you not with these gifts because he much desired to become my sworn friend - nor is the account which ye give of yourselves true, for ye are come to search out my kingdom. Also your king is not a just man - for were he so, he had not coveted a land which is not his own, nor brought slavery on a people who never did him any wrong. Bear him this bow, and say - 'The king of the Ethiops thus advises the king of the Persians when the Persians can pull a bow of this strength thus easily, then let him come with an army of superior strength against the long-lived Ethiopians - till then, let him thank the gods that they have not put it into the heart of the sons of the Ethiops to covet countries which do not belong to them. '


^^Look at these Black people called Ethiopians, The most FEARED, LOVED, AND HONOURED PEOPLE OF THE ANCIENT WORLD. White Greeks revered them as THE MOST HANDSOME, UNBLAMEABLE, AND LONGEST LIVING OF MEN.

Yet modern whites are shocked they were not rapists, genocidalist, murdereres, theifs like them. Why you think people like Doxie are quick to say Blacks did it too. They really believe everyone else was culture thieves, rapists, murderers, ethnic cleansers, pederast, and obsessed with conquering other countries all in the name of superiority

Really modern whites are always looking in the past for there equals, in wiping out over 200 million Native Americans, Stealing there Land and culture. PRETENDING TO BE THE NATIVE AMERICANS, Starving others to the point of death on purpose,

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^^Can you see the NATIVE INDIAN IN THEM!!!! [Mad]

Thats not all though
Raping and using there own children to prove a point against people they dislike. Rob there children of childhood, Wipe out Almost every mention of Black people in the Ancient world and claim that "Blacks have No real history".

Even have pederast as institutionalized in the country like the greek "Warriors"


quote:
Pederasty in ancient Greece was a socially acknowledged erotic relationship between an adult male (the erastes) and a younger male (the eromenos) usually in his teens. [1] It was characteristic of the Archaic and Classical periods.[2] Some scholars locate its origin in initiation ritual, particularly rites of passage on Crete, where it was associated with entrance into military life and the religion of Zeus.[3]

The social custom called paiderastia by the Greeks was both idealized and criticized in ancient literature and philosophy;[4] it has no formal existence in the Homeric epics, and seems to have developed in the late 7th century BC as an aspect of Greek homosocial culture,[5] which was characterized also by athletic and artistic nudity, delayed marriage for aristocrats, symposia, and the social seclusion of women.[6] The influence of pederasty was so pervasive that it has been called "the principal cultural model for free relationships between citizens."[7]

Scholars have debated the role or extent of pederasty, which is likely to have varied according to local custom and individual inclination.[8] The English word "pederasty" in present-day usage might imply the abuse of minors in certain jurisdictions, but Athenian law, for instance, recognized consent but not age as a factor in regulating sexual behavior.[9] As classical historian Robin Osborne has pointed out, historical discussion of paiderastia is complicated by 21st-century moral standards:

It was basically called a "Coming of age" ritual by these superior whitese, They convinced there own youth that Men Raping them was a part of growing up Read This:

quote:
, pederastic love was said to be favorable to democracy and feared by tyrants A man (philetor, "lover") selected a youth, enlisted the chosen one's friends to help him, and carried off the object of his affections to his andreion, a sort of men's club or meeting hall. The youth received gifts



So they Kidnapped CHILDREN in Greece and brought them To there mens club and buttered them up with "Gifts". Does that sound oddly familar? How much children are missing in these democratic countries in the west.


Who runs world pedophile rings?
http://www.globalnoncompliance.net/news/who-runs-world-pedophile-rings-/


Jimmy Savile Elite Paedophile Ring Exposed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyEUix7qPKM

Democracy, Where Black people are targets by those who are supposed to serve and protect(Police), Democracy, Brazil a country that does not even allow there majority(Black people) to be on TV except as Maids and transvestites.

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Afghanistan A Muslim country. Which is made up of people linked with Persians or Whites in the Middle east.

Dresses up there boys in dresses, and makes them dance for them So coverup your women head to foot with Hard to breathe Burkas and have your youth dress up like women:

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^This is Women in Afghan?


Gay Pashtun Bachi Bazi dance in Kandahar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0Xbdp4k9J0


The dancing boys of Afghanistan
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/sep/12/dancing-boys-afghanistan


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http://shariaunveiled.wordpress.com/2014/03/22/bacha-bazi-the-dancing-boys-of-afghanistan-video-documentary/


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http://bachabazi.blogspot.ca/2011/05/bacha-bazi-synopsis.html

^These are there replacements.

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quote:
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl:


Deceitful One speaks again. I am not claiming that my 10-12 Comments to PLoS papers are letters to the editors. My letters to the editors were published by BioEssay and the Proceedings of the Royal Society. These papers were responded to by the authors.

Stop trying to compare my comments to PLoS articles and the Dienekes.blogspot, as letters to the editor. Oh Great Deceiver you are the one trying to be tricky .

Continuing to lie and obfuscate. We have finally settled that the stuff you submit to PloS is not peer reviewed. However, you hope that playing with words will confuse your followers. In some journals, for example, Nature "letters" means something that is original research and is peer reviewed. However, not every journal uses the term equally, nor does a reply to a comment mean that somehow it becomes peer reviewed. Your submission to BioEssays for example.

Original paper:
Chaubey G, Metspalu M, Kivisild T, Villems, R. 2007. “Peopling of South Asia: investigating the caste-tribe continuum in India,” BioEssays 29:91–100

Winters comment:
Winters C. 2007 “Did the Dravidian speakers originate in Africa?” BioEssays 29:497–498.


The authors replied to Winters in order to point out his embarassingly huge error. BTW Kivisild is the author of the 1999 paper that Winters continues to misquote. Does Winters think that he knows better than the author himself?

Gyaneshwer Chaubey, Mait Metspalu, Richard Villems, Toomas Kivisild. 2007. “Reply to Winters” BioEssays 29(5): 499

The key passage in Chaubey, et als’ reply says:

“MtDNA-based genetic arguments provided by Dr. Winters
in favor of gene flow from Africa to Dravidian-speaking Indians are, however, entirely erroneous. The author has been, unfortunately, confused by overlooking changes in mtDNA
haplogroup (hg) nomenclature. Namely hg, M1 in Kivisild
et al.(4) has been later changed to hg M3, in order to avoid
parallel nomenclatures.(5)
Furthermore, a recent dedicated
paper on phylogeography of mtDNA hg M1(6) as well as an
extensive comparative mapping of autosomal genetic markers
among many Indian populations relative to global populations
elsewhere, including Africans,(7) do not provide any clues for a putative recent gene flow, from Africa, to Dravidian-speaking populations in South Asia.

And contrary to Winters’ assertion (who is the liar?), BioEssays does not peer review his type of submission.

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In answer to your question - No - correspondence does not undergo peer review, it is read and accepted or rejected by the Editor only.

If you would like to send me your piece I will pass it to the Editor.

Best wishes
Stephanie Hamer
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----- Original Message -----
Dear Sirs:

A question: Are letters submitted to the "Correspondence" section of BioEssays refereed in the same way that other submitted articles are?

Thank you,

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quote:
Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl:


Deceitful One speaks again. I am not claiming that my 10-12 Comments to PLoS papers are letters to the editors. My letters to the editors were published by BioEssay and the Proceedings of the Royal Society. These papers were responded to by the authors.

Stop trying to compare my comments to PLoS articles and the Dienekes.blogspot, as letters to the editor. Oh Great Deceiver you are the one trying to be tricky .

Continuing to lie and obfuscate. We have finally settled that the stuff you submit to PloS is not peer reviewed. However, you hope that playing with words will confuse your followers. In some journals, for example, Nature "letters" means something that is original research and is peer reviewed. However, not every journal uses the term equally, nor does a reply to a comment mean that somehow it becomes peer reviewed. Your submission to BioEssays for example.

Original paper:
Chaubey G, Metspalu M, Kivisild T, Villems, R. 2007. “Peopling of South Asia: investigating the caste-tribe continuum in India,” BioEssays 29:91–100

Winters comment:
Winters C. 2007 “Did the Dravidian speakers originate in Africa?” BioEssays 29:497–498.


The authors replied to Winters in order to point out his embarassingly huge error. BTW Kivisild is the author of the 1999 paper that Winters continues to misquote. Does Winters think that he knows better than the author himself?

Gyaneshwer Chaubey, Mait Metspalu, Richard Villems, Toomas Kivisild. 2007. “Reply to Winters” BioEssays 29(5): 499

The key passage in Chaubey, et als’ reply says:

“MtDNA-based genetic arguments provided by Dr. Winters
in favor of gene flow from Africa to Dravidian-speaking Indians are, however, entirely erroneous. The author has been, unfortunately, confused by overlooking changes in mtDNA
haplogroup (hg) nomenclature. Namely hg, M1 in Kivisild
et al.(4) has been later changed to hg M3, in order to avoid
parallel nomenclatures.(5)
Furthermore, a recent dedicated
paper on phylogeography of mtDNA hg M1(6) as well as an
extensive comparative mapping of autosomal genetic markers
among many Indian populations relative to global populations
elsewhere, including Africans,(7) do not provide any clues for a putative recent gene flow, from Africa, to Dravidian-speaking populations in South Asia.

And contrary to Winters’ assertion (who is the liar?), BioEssays does not peer review his type of submission.

Subject: Re: Question
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In answer to your question - No - correspondence does not undergo peer review, it is read and accepted or rejected by the Editor only.

If you would like to send me your piece I will pass it to the Editor.

Best wishes
Stephanie Hamer
Editorial Administrator
BioEssays

----- Original Message -----
Dear Sirs:

A question: Are letters submitted to the "Correspondence" section of BioEssays refereed in the same way that other submitted articles are?

Thank you,

LOL. You are just so jealous of me and my success. Oh Deceitful One, if the Editor of BioEssay will publish anything, any one writes why don't you send them an article and see if it is published.

You are a liar, and sad because the only bright point in your career when anyone cared about what you wrote was your attack on Ivan. Ivan popularized what other people wrote about in the books he edited. As a result, he could not back up what he talked about.

I am not Ivan, I don't have patience for ignorant, racist people like you. I research what I write about carefully. We have debated many times on this forum and each time you lose.

You lose because you are not a researcher of truth. You come here solely to be embarrassed by me.

You just can't understand how a brother from the Ghetto, got a PhD, and can hold his own and surpass white researchers. Being, weak, and a Latino you just can't understand how I have the nerve to debate, Europeans and challenge their scholarship--when all your life you kept your head bowed low and stayed in the inferior place you situated yourself. This changed when you wrote the Ivan piece. For once in your life you were respected.

You have hoped that you could regain this respect by attacking my work but, members of the academe won't support you. As a result, it is laymen like yourself who attack my work--not the experts.

You are probably wondering why. I will tell you why. Linda Schele and some of the other Mayan experts attended my presentation. They knew what ammunition I had to support my research, firsthand--they don't want to get in a debate with me and lose. I will never forget how their students were looking at them waiting for them to question my research and they just sat their silent.

They are not foolish like you.They don't want to have anything they say published, so I can prove them wrong.

You love to challenge me and be found inferior. Oh Great Deceitful One, a liar never prospers.
.

.

.

.

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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
quote:
Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl:


Deceitful One speaks again. I am not claiming that my 10-12 Comments to PLoS papers are letters to the editors. My letters to the editors were published by BioEssay and the Proceedings of the Royal Society. These papers were responded to by the authors.

Stop trying to compare my comments to PLoS articles and the Dienekes.blogspot, as letters to the editor. Oh Great Deceiver you are the one trying to be tricky .

Continuing to lie and obfuscate. We have finally settled that the stuff you submit to PloS is not peer reviewed. However, you hope that playing with words will confuse your followers. In some journals, for example, Nature "letters" means something that is original research and is peer reviewed. However, not every journal uses the term equally, nor does a reply to a comment mean that somehow it becomes peer reviewed. Your submission to BioEssays for example.

Original paper:
Chaubey G, Metspalu M, Kivisild T, Villems, R. 2007. “Peopling of South Asia: investigating the caste-tribe continuum in India,” BioEssays 29:91–100

Winters comment:
Winters C. 2007 “Did the Dravidian speakers originate in Africa?” BioEssays 29:497–498.


The authors replied to Winters in order to point out his embarassingly huge error. BTW Kivisild is the author of the 1999 paper that Winters continues to misquote. Does Winters think that he knows better than the author himself?

Gyaneshwer Chaubey, Mait Metspalu, Richard Villems, Toomas Kivisild. 2007. “Reply to Winters” BioEssays 29(5): 499

The key passage in Chaubey, et als’ reply says:

“MtDNA-based genetic arguments provided by Dr. Winters
in favor of gene flow from Africa to Dravidian-speaking Indians are, however, entirely erroneous. The author has been, unfortunately, confused by overlooking changes in mtDNA
haplogroup (hg) nomenclature. Namely hg, M1 in Kivisild
et al.(4) has been later changed to hg M3, in order to avoid
parallel nomenclatures.(5)
Furthermore, a recent dedicated
paper on phylogeography of mtDNA hg M1(6) as well as an
extensive comparative mapping of autosomal genetic markers
among many Indian populations relative to global populations
elsewhere, including Africans,(7) do not provide any clues for a putative recent gene flow, from Africa, to Dravidian-speaking populations in South Asia.

And contrary to Winters’ assertion (who is the liar?), BioEssays does not peer review his type of submission.

Subject: Re: Question
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In answer to your question - No - correspondence does not undergo peer review, it is read and accepted or rejected by the Editor only.

If you would like to send me your piece I will pass it to the Editor.

Best wishes
Stephanie Hamer
Editorial Administrator
BioEssays

----- Original Message -----
Dear Sirs:

A question: Are letters submitted to the "Correspondence" section of BioEssays refereed in the same way that other submitted articles are?

Thank you,

LOL. You are just so jealous of me and my success. Oh Deceitful One, if the Editor of BioEssay will publish anything, any one writes why don't you send them an article and see if it is published.

You are a liar, and sad because the only bright point in your career when anyone cared about what you wrote was your attack on Ivan. Ivan popularized what other people wrote about in the books he edited. As a result, he could not back up what he talked about.

I am not Ivan, I don't have patience for ignorant, racist people like you. I research what I write about carefully. We have debated many times on this forum and each time you lose.

You lose because you are not a researcher of truth. You come here solely to be embarrassed by me.

You just can't understand how a brother from the Ghetto, got a PhD, and can hold his own and surpass white researchers. Being, weak, and a Latino you just can't understand how I have the nerve to debate, Europeans and challenge their scholarship--when all your life you kept your head bowed low and stayed in the inferior place you situated yourself. This changed when you wrote the Ivan piece. For once in your life you were respected.

You have hoped that you could regain this respect by attacking my work but, members of the academe won't support you. As a result, it is laymen like yourself who attack my work--not the experts.

You are probably wondering why. I will tell you why. Linda Schele and some of the other Mayan experts attended my presentation. They knew what ammunition I had to support my research, firsthand--they don't want to get in a debate with me and lose. I will never forget how their students were looking at them waiting for them to question my research and they just sat their silent.

They are not foolish like you.They don't want to have anything they say published, so I can prove them wrong.

You love to challenge me and be found inferior. Oh Great Deceitful One, a liar never prospers.
.

.

.

.

Please note that Clyde never addressed any of the evidence that the has been misrepresenting his "contributions" as refereed papers. In his usual fashion, when he is devoid of valid arguments he resorts to spewing ad hominem. Insults are the symbols of poverty of reason and desperation. The bottom line is that Winters BioEssay publication just like his PLoS Genetics ones are NOT refereed publications-- as attested by the editors of the respective journals. Screaming and yelling about "albinos denigrating the research of Afrocentrics" is not the point here. I am merely dealing with the question of honesty in the representation of what is being put forth. It has to do with method in science and with truth.
We still have to deal with whether "personal reflections" and "commentary" are peer reviewed., and later on with the question of Winters accuracy in quoting his sources-- again truth and honesty in academic discourse not content necessarily.

The next response will be an outpouring of irrelevant spam-- watch this space.

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quote:
Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
quote:
Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl:


Deceitful One speaks again. I am not claiming that my 10-12 Comments to PLoS papers are letters to the editors. My letters to the editors were published by BioEssay and the Proceedings of the Royal Society. These papers were responded to by the authors.

Stop trying to compare my comments to PLoS articles and the Dienekes.blogspot, as letters to the editor. Oh Great Deceiver you are the one trying to be tricky .

Continuing to lie and obfuscate. We have finally settled that the stuff you submit to PloS is not peer reviewed. However, you hope that playing with words will confuse your followers. In some journals, for example, Nature "letters" means something that is original research and is peer reviewed. However, not every journal uses the term equally, nor does a reply to a comment mean that somehow it becomes peer reviewed. Your submission to BioEssays for example.

Original paper:
Chaubey G, Metspalu M, Kivisild T, Villems, R. 2007. “Peopling of South Asia: investigating the caste-tribe continuum in India,” BioEssays 29:91–100

Winters comment:
Winters C. 2007 “Did the Dravidian speakers originate in Africa?” BioEssays 29:497–498.


The authors replied to Winters in order to point out his embarassingly huge error. BTW Kivisild is the author of the 1999 paper that Winters continues to misquote. Does Winters think that he knows better than the author himself?

Gyaneshwer Chaubey, Mait Metspalu, Richard Villems, Toomas Kivisild. 2007. “Reply to Winters” BioEssays 29(5): 499

The key passage in Chaubey, et als’ reply says:

“MtDNA-based genetic arguments provided by Dr. Winters
in favor of gene flow from Africa to Dravidian-speaking Indians are, however, entirely erroneous. The author has been, unfortunately, confused by overlooking changes in mtDNA
haplogroup (hg) nomenclature. Namely hg, M1 in Kivisild
et al.(4) has been later changed to hg M3, in order to avoid
parallel nomenclatures.(5)
Furthermore, a recent dedicated
paper on phylogeography of mtDNA hg M1(6) as well as an
extensive comparative mapping of autosomal genetic markers
among many Indian populations relative to global populations
elsewhere, including Africans,(7) do not provide any clues for a putative recent gene flow, from Africa, to Dravidian-speaking populations in South Asia.

And contrary to Winters’ assertion (who is the liar?), BioEssays does not peer review his type of submission.

Subject: Re: Question
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In answer to your question - No - correspondence does not undergo peer review, it is read and accepted or rejected by the Editor only.

If you would like to send me your piece I will pass it to the Editor.

Best wishes
Stephanie Hamer
Editorial Administrator
BioEssays

----- Original Message -----
Dear Sirs:

A question: Are letters submitted to the "Correspondence" section of BioEssays refereed in the same way that other submitted articles are?

Thank you,

LOL. You are just so jealous of me and my success. Oh Deceitful One, if the Editor of BioEssay will publish anything, any one writes why don't you send them an article and see if it is published.

You are a liar, and sad because the only bright point in your career when anyone cared about what you wrote was your attack on Ivan. Ivan popularized what other people wrote about in the books he edited. As a result, he could not back up what he talked about.

I am not Ivan, I don't have patience for ignorant, racist people like you. I research what I write about carefully. We have debated many times on this forum and each time you lose.

You lose because you are not a researcher of truth. You come here solely to be embarrassed by me.

You just can't understand how a brother from the Ghetto, got a PhD, and can hold his own and surpass white researchers. Being, weak, and a Latino you just can't understand how I have the nerve to debate, Europeans and challenge their scholarship--when all your life you kept your head bowed low and stayed in the inferior place you situated yourself. This changed when you wrote the Ivan piece. For once in your life you were respected.

You have hoped that you could regain this respect by attacking my work but, members of the academe won't support you. As a result, it is laymen like yourself who attack my work--not the experts.

You are probably wondering why. I will tell you why. Linda Schele and some of the other Mayan experts attended my presentation. They knew what ammunition I had to support my research, firsthand--they don't want to get in a debate with me and lose. I will never forget how their students were looking at them waiting for them to question my research and they just sat their silent.

They are not foolish like you.They don't want to have anything they say published, so I can prove them wrong.

You love to challenge me and be found inferior. Oh Great Deceitful One, a liar never prospers.
.

.

.

.

Please note that Clyde never addressed any of the evidence that the has been misrepresenting his "contributions" as refereed papers. In his usual fashion, when he is devoid of valid arguments he resorts to spewing ad hominem. Insults are the symbols of poverty of reason and desperation. The bottom line is that Winters BioEssay publication just like his PLoS Genetics ones are NOT refereed publications-- as attested by the editors of the respective journals. Screaming and yelling about "albinos denigrating the research of Afrocentrics" is not the point here. I am merely dealing with the question of honesty in the representation of what is being put forth. It has to do with method in science and with truth.
We still have to deal with whether "personal reflections" and "commentary" are peer reviewed., and later on with the question of Winters accuracy in quoting his sources-- again truth and honesty in academic discourse not content necessarily.

The next response will be an outpouring of irrelevant spam-- watch this space.

Oh Great Deceiver. Your post have nothing to do with science they just reflect your jealous heart. There is no way to satisfy the jealous mind.

As I said earlier, if these publications are not peer reviewed why don't you publish a paper in BioEssay relating to genetics. Just pick out a paper in the journal and send them a letter about any article you read there. If you are correct anything you write will be published.

Oh I forgot--you only write about Afrocentrism. LOL.

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Quetzalcoatl what was the current anthropology article you wrote? Was it one I linked on Sertima?
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Anyway, thanks for the info. So it turns out his only contributions to genuine peer-review journals are just 2 or 3 line comments he submitted, not articles (and yes, they don't peer-review the commentary attached to an article). All his other stuff is open access, or from obscure/fringe/pseudo-science journals like Sertima's, or the Mankind Quarterly (a white supremacist/neo-Nazi journal).
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Quetzalcoatl or Bernard Ortiz de Montellano you’re nothing but a crank. If not for Ivan and Afrocentrism you would be a nobody.

You claim to have published 48 articles, but I only found 24 of your papers , on your Academia.edu page.

quote:

1.Ghosts of the imagination. John Bierhorst's translation of Cantares Mexicanosmore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
2. Ethnohistory, Aztecs, Classical Nahuatl, Aztec Art, Religion, & Politics before and after the conquest, and Aztec poetry<div>()</div>
3. Black Warrior Dynasty: Afrocentricity and the New Worldmore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
4. More Info: English version of: “BLACK WARRIOR DYNASTS”:L’AFROCENTRISME ET LE NOUVEAU MONDE. In Fauvelle, F.-X., Chretien, J.-P., Perrot, C.-H. (eds.). Afrocentrismes. L’histoire des Africains entre Égypte et Amérique, 249-270 Paris: Karthala (2000)
5. Ethnopharmacology of Mexican asteraceamore,by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
6. Review Van Sertima Early America Revisitedmore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
7. Post Modern Culturalism and Scientific Illiteracymore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
8.Teaching Multicultural Science Rigorously: Culturally Relevant Sciencemore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
9.counting skulls;: comment on the Aztec cannibalism theory of Harner-Harrismoreby Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
10. Afrocentric creationismmore,by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
11. Afrocentric pseudoscience vs, culturally relevant sciencemore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
12. Medicina y Salud en Mesoamericamore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
13. A Methodology for Cross-Cultural Ethnomedical Researchmore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
14. Empirical Aztec Medicinemore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
15. Plant Evidence for Contact Between African and the New Worldmore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
16. The Dogon People Revisitedmore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
17. They Were Not Here Before Columbus: Afrocentricity in the 1990'smore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
18. Robbing Native American Cultures: Van Sertima's Afrocentricity and the Olmecsmore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
19. Post Modern Culturalism and Scientific Illiteracymore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
20. Aztec Cannibalism: An Ecological Necessity?more, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
21. Magic, Melanin Speading Scientific Iliteracy Among Minorities: Part IImore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
22. Multicultural Pseudoscience: Spreadding Scientific Iliteracy Among Minorities: part Imore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
23. Melanin, Afrocentricity, and Pseudosciencemore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
24. Caida de mollera: Aztec sources for a Mesoamerican disease of alleged Spanish originmore
by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano


An examination of your articles indicate that 17/24 of your articles are attacking Afrocentrism. That is 71% of your work.
This makes it clear your only claim to fame is attacking Ivan van Sertima. You have rode the back of Afrocentrism. You are trying to regain some relevancy attacking my work.
But as I said I do original research and you will not get away with spreading lies about my work without a fight. You pathetic crank.

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Anyway, thanks for the info. So it turns out his only contributions to genuine peer-review journals are just 2 or 3 line comments he submitted, not articles (and yes, they don't peer-review the commentary attached to an article). All his other stuff is open access, or from obscure/fringe/pseudo-science journals like Sertima's, or the Mankind Quarterly (a white supremacist/neo-Nazi journal).

LOL. Quetzalcoatl is your hero. This is natural for you because you hate the great history of Black/African people. But, remember Bernard's papers have nothing to do with my work, he just attack Ivan, Hunter and few others.

Bernard has tried to test his attacks on my work on this forum and he has suffered one defeat after the other. That is because his theories lack any foundation. Just think about it 17 published articles with the same theme, Ivan was wrong. Bernard you should be ashamed of yourself 17 articles on the same theme a criticism of one man's work:Ivan van Sertima.


But, alas the comments of Bernard are no more than a noisy fard. I invite you to inhale this fard and spread it among your Euronut friends and supporters.

Take in this fard and remember that I will be publishing more books and peer reviewed articles in the future . A situation that will break your heart further.

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Anyway, thanks for the info. So it turns out his only contributions to genuine peer-review journals are just 2 or 3 line comments he submitted, not articles (and yes, they don't peer-review the commentary attached to an article). All his other stuff is open access, or from obscure/fringe/pseudo-science journals like Sertima's, or the Mankind Quarterly (a white supremacist/neo-Nazi journal).

No, His "Comments" and "responses" are 2-3 pages and as usual have lots of footnotes. The problem as we know is that his footnotes and citations are very unreliable (more to come later), but since that are not peer reviewed they are not caught.
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Ok, so he wrote some papers debunking Sertima's lies. Actually I've cited his papers on here before, they're pretty good. He books though have nothing to do with Afrocentrism.

Aztec Medicine, Health, and Nutrition by Bernard R. Ortiz de Montellano
http://www.amazon.com/Medicine-Health-Nutrition-Bernard-Montellano/dp/0813515637
Myths of Ancient Mexico. by Michel Graulich, Bernard R. Ortiz de Montellano, Thelma Ortiz de Montellano
Tamoanchan, Tlalocan: Places of Mist by Alfredo López Austin, Bernard R. Ortiz de Montellano, Thelma Ortiz de Montellano

He seems to write about Aztec folklore myth etc.

In contrast Clyde, you spend 100% of your book time claiming 'blacks' founded all world civilizations.

http://www.amazon.com/Clyde-Winters/e/B00ALYO4EI/ref=sr_tc_2_0?qid=1417966209&sr=1-2-ent

African Empires in Ancient America by Dr. Clyde Winters (Apr 4, 2013)
The Ancient Black Civilizations of Asia Apr 26, 2013
by Dr Clyde Winters

Your crackpot books don't even have proper publishers like Quetzalcoatl's.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dead:
Anyway, thanks for the info. So it turns out his only contributions to genuine peer-review journals are just 2 or 3 line comments he submitted, not articles (and yes, they don't peer-review the commentary attached to an article). All his other stuff is open access, or from obscure/fringe/pseudo-science journals like Sertima's, or the Mankind Quarterly (a white supremacist/neo-Nazi journal).

No, His "Comments" and "responses" are 2-3 pages and as usual have lots of footnotes. The problem as we know is that his footnotes and citations are very unreliable (more to come later), but since that are not peer reviewed they are not caught.
Oh Great Deceiver, LOL, you are a big joke. On the one hand, you claim my BioEssay Letter was not peer reviewed, yet Toomas Kivisild et al responded to my paper. They responded to my paper because Toomas Kivisild had published two papers admitting that hg M1, was found among Indians and a figure documenting the same fact.

M1 in India it is found in India. This supports the recent spread of the Dravidians in India, which is supported by archaeology and linguistics.

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In the Kivisild et al 1999 study of Indian mtDNA around 15% carried haplogroup M1. See:

http://evolutsioon.ut.ee/publications/Kivisild1999b.pdf




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The Eastern African hg M1, HVS-I signature motif is 16,129, 16,189, 16,223, 16,249, and 16,311. In the Kivisild et al figure below we see the same motif. The mutations are shown less 16,000.

Here you can clearly see: mutations 129,189, 223 and 311, in Indian M1.

As you can see I supported my proposition that M1 existed in India. That is why my paper was published in BioEssay. If the Letter I wrote was not peer reviewed Kivisild et al would not have known I had discovered their deception.

Kivisild did not like being discovered spreading falsehoods about Dravidian people, to statisfy the Hindutva (Hindu Nationalist) agenda to make it appear Indo-Aryan speakers were always inhabiters of India, when they only arrived in India, around 1000 and 800 BC.

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quote:
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Ok, so he wrote some papers debunking Sertima's lies. Actually I've cited his papers on here before, they're pretty good. He books though have nothing to do with Afrocentrism.

Aztec Medicine, Health, and Nutrition by Bernard R. Ortiz de Montellano
http://www.amazon.com/Medicine-Health-Nutrition-Bernard-Montellano/dp/0813515637
Myths of Ancient Mexico. by Michel Graulich, Bernard R. Ortiz de Montellano, Thelma Ortiz de Montellano
Tamoanchan, Tlalocan: Places of Mist by Alfredo López Austin, Bernard R. Ortiz de Montellano, Thelma Ortiz de Montellano

He seems to write about Aztec folklore myth etc.

In contrast Clyde, you spend 100% of your book time claiming 'blacks' founded all world civilizations.

http://www.amazon.com/Clyde-Winters/e/B00ALYO4EI/ref=sr_tc_2_0?qid=1417966209&sr=1-2-ent

African Empires in Ancient America by Dr. Clyde Winters (Apr 4, 2013)
The Ancient Black Civilizations of Asia Apr 26, 2013
by Dr Clyde Winters

Your crackpot books don't even have proper publishers like Quetzalcoatl's.

LOL. A Book's publisher has nothing to do with the contents of a book. I am glad you mentioned The Ancient Black Civilizations of Asia, it is my number 1, selling book.

Bernards' papers are mainly attacking Afrocentrism. They present no counter evidence falsifying any Afrocentric claims, they only want the reader to take his word that the material is false.

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Quetzalcoatl or Bernard Ortiz de Montellano you’re nothing but a crank. If not for Ivan and Afrocentrism you would be a nobody.

Bernard claims to have published 48 articles, but I only found 24 of your papers , on your Academia.edu page.

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1.Ghosts of the imagination. John Bierhorst's translation of Cantares Mexicanosmore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
2. Ethnohistory, Aztecs, Classical Nahuatl, Aztec Art, Religion, & Politics before and after the conquest, and Aztec poetry<div>()</div>
3. Black Warrior Dynasty: Afrocentricity and the New Worldmore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
4. More Info: English version of: “BLACK WARRIOR DYNASTS”:L’AFROCENTRISME ET LE NOUVEAU MONDE. In Fauvelle, F.-X., Chretien, J.-P., Perrot, C.-H. (eds.). Afrocentrismes. L’histoire des Africains entre Égypte et Amérique, 249-270 Paris: Karthala (2000)
5. Ethnopharmacology of Mexican asteraceamore,by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
6. Review Van Sertima Early America Revisitedmore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
7. Post Modern Culturalism and Scientific Illiteracymore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
8.Teaching Multicultural Science Rigorously: Culturally Relevant Sciencemore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
9.counting skulls;: comment on the Aztec cannibalism theory of Harner-Harrismoreby Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
10. Afrocentric creationismmore,by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
11. Afrocentric pseudoscience vs, culturally relevant sciencemore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
12. Medicina y Salud en Mesoamericamore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
13. A Methodology for Cross-Cultural Ethnomedical Researchmore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
14. Empirical Aztec Medicinemore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
15. Plant Evidence for Contact Between African and the New Worldmore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
16. The Dogon People Revisitedmore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
17. They Were Not Here Before Columbus: Afrocentricity in the 1990'smore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
18. Robbing Native American Cultures: Van Sertima's Afrocentricity and the Olmecsmore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
19. Post Modern Culturalism and Scientific Illiteracymore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
20. Aztec Cannibalism: An Ecological Necessity?more, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
21. Magic, Melanin Speading Scientific Iliteracy Among Minorities: Part IImore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
22. Multicultural Pseudoscience: Spreadding Scientific Iliteracy Among Minorities: part Imore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
23. Melanin, Afrocentricity, and Pseudosciencemore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano
24. Caida de mollera: Aztec sources for a Mesoamerican disease of alleged Spanish originmore
by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano


An examination of your articles indicate that 17/24 of your articles are attacking Afrocentrism. That is 71% of your work.
This makes it clear your only claim to fame is attacking Ivan van Sertima. You have rode the back of Afrocentrism. You are trying to regain some relevancy attacking my work.
But as I said I do original research and Bernard will not get away with spreading lies about my work without a fight. He is a pathetic crank.

Real scholars makes a name for themself producing original research--all Bernard writes are attacks on Ivan van Sertima's work which was published in the 1970's. Knowledge about the origin of the Olmecs has advanced since then.

The fact remains the Olmecs do not appear in Mexico until after 1200BC.

There is no secret about the Olmecs. Eurocentrists know that the Olmec do not appear in Mexico until after 1200BC.


Some researchers claim that I am wrongly ruling out an “indigenous revolution” for the origin of the Olmec civilization. This is their opinion—the archaeological evidence, not I, suggest that the founders of the Olmec civilization were not “indigenous” people.


In the Olmec World: Ritual and Rulership (1995), (ed.) by Carolyn Tate, on page 65, we find the following statement”Olmec culture as far as we know seems to have no antecedents; no material models remain for its monumental constructions and sculptures and the ritual acts captured in small objects”.

M. Coe, writing in Regional Perspective on the Olmecs (1989), (ed.) by Sharer and Grove, observed that “ on the contrary, the evidence although negative, is that the Olmec style of art, and Olmec engineering ability suddenly appeared full fledged from about 1200 BC”.

Mary E. Pye, writing in Olmec Archaeology in Mesoamerica (2000), (ed.) by J.E. Cark and M.E. Pye,makes it clear after a discussion of the pre-Olmec civilizations of the Mokaya tradition, that these cultures contributed nothing to the rise of the Olmec culture. Pye wrote “The Mokaya appear to have gradually come under Olmec influence during Cherla times and to have adopted Olmec ways. We use the term olmecization to describe the processes whereby independent groups tried to become Olmecs, or to become like the Olmecs” (p.234). Pye makes it clear that it was around 1200 BC that Olmec civilization rose in Mesoamerica. She continues “Much of the current debate about the Olmecs concerns the traditional mother culture view. For us this is still a primary issue. Our data from the Pacific coast show that the mother culture idea is still viable in terms of cultural practices. The early Olmecs created the first civilization in Mesoamerica; they had no peers, only contemporaries” (pp.245-46).

Richard A. Diehl The Olmecs:America’s first civilization (2005), wrote “ The identity of these first Olmecs remains a mystery. Some scholars believe they were Mokaya migrants from the Pacific coast of Chiapas who brought improved maize strains and incipient social stratification with them. Others propose that Olmec culture evolved among the local indigenous populations without significant external stimulus. I prefer the latter position, but freely admit that we lack sufficient information on the period before 1500 BC to resolve the issue” (p.25).

Pool (17-18), in Olmec Archaeology and early MesoAmerica (2007), argues that continuity exist between the Olmec and pre-Olmec cultures in Mexico “[even]though Coe now appears to favor an autochthonous origin for Olmec culture (Diehl & Coe 1995:150), he long held that the Olmec traits appeared at San Lorenzo rather suddenly during the Chicharras phase (ca 1450-1408 BC) (Coe 1970a:25,32; Coe and Diehl 1980a:150)”.

Pool admits (p.95), that “this conclusion contrasts markedly with that of the excavators of San Lorenzo, who reported dramatic change in ceramic type and argued on this basis for a foreign incursion of Olmecs into Olman (Coe and Diehl 1980a, p.150).”


The evidence presented by these authors make it clear that the Olmec introduced a unique culture to Mesoamerica that was adopted by the Mesoamericans. As these statements make it clear that was no continuity between pre-Olmec cultures and the Olmec culture.


Prior to the Olmec the Pre-Classic cultures were founded by Blacks. Bernard you will never be able to prove that the Olmecs were not Mande speakers from Africa.

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Quetzalcoatl what was the current anthropology article you wrote? Was it one I linked on Sertima?

I have 3 in Current Anthropology:

G. Haslip-Viera, B. R. Ortiz de Montellano and W. Barbour, "Robbing Native American Cultures: Van Sertima and the Olmecs," Current Anthropology, 38 (#3): 419-441 (1997).

C.H. Browner, B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, and A.J. Rubel, "A Methodology for Cross-Cultural Ethnomedical Research," Current Anthropology, 29, 681-702 (1988)

C.H. Browner, B. R. Ortiz de Montellano, and A. J. Rubel, "Reply to H. R. Fabrega, 'On Research Methdology for Ethnomedicine", Current Anthropology, 30: 347-348 (1989).

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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
An examination of your articles indicate that 17/24 of your articles are attacking Afrocentrism. That is 71% of your work.
This makes it clear your only claim to fame is attacking Ivan van Sertima. You have rode the back of Afrocentrism. You are trying to regain some relevancy attacking my work.
But as I said I do original research and Bernard will not get away with spreading lies about my work without a fight. He is a pathetic crank.

Real scholars makes a name for themself producing original research--all Bernard writes are attacks on Ivan van Sertima's work which was published in the 1970's. Knowledge about the origin of the Olmecs has advanced since then. [/QB]

Clyde is so pathetic ;-(. Even in attacking me he can't get his facts straight-- the Current Anthropology article on Van Sertima was published in 1997 not the 70s. Secondly, not everyone like Clyde puts every little thing he has done on academe.edu. I put things for which I had pdfs so that interested peole could download them outside the paywalls. My reputation in the legitimate academic community in science and and anthropology rests on my work on Aztec Medicine-my book is the standard reference on the topic- and on my work disproving the claims of two very well-known anthropologists, Marvin Harris and Michael Harner. These were lead articles in the premier journal Science. Since the question has arisen, I'll do a data dump-- notice that I have labeled what kind of publication it is:

A. Books published

Ancient and Modern Medical Practices in Mesoamerica. (Greeley, Co: Univ. of Northern Colorado, 1982).

Aztec Medicine, Nutrition and Health (New Brunswick: Rutgers University Press, 1990).

Medicina, salud, y nutrición de los aztecas (Mexico: Siglo XXI, 1993). Spanish translation of above.

B. Chapters Published

1. Authored

B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "El Conocimiento de la Naturaleza Entre Los Aztecas. Taxonomia," in A. Lopez Austin, Ed., La Historia General de la Medicina (Mexico: Academia Nacional de la Medicina, UNAM, 1984), Vol. 1, 115-132.

B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Los Principios Rectores de la Medicina Entre Los Mexicas. Etiologia, Diagnostico y Pronostico," in A. Lopez Austin, Ed., La Historia General de la Medicina (Mexico: Academia Nacional de la Medicina, UNAM, 1984), Vol. 1, 159-170.

B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Aztec Medicinal Herbs: Evaluation of Therapeutic Effectiveness," in N.L. Etkin, Ed., Plants Used in Indigenous Medicines: A Bio-cultural Approach (NY: Redgrave, 1986). pp. 113-127.

B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Aztec Sources of Some Mexican Folk Medicine," in R. Steiner, Ed., Folk Medicine: The Art and the Science (Washington, DC: American Chemical Society, 1986). pp. 1-22.

B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Syncretism in Mexican and Mexican-American Folk Medicine," 1992 Lecture Series. Working Papers #5 (College Park, MD: Dept. of Spanish and Portuguese, University of Maryland, 1989).

B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "The Body, Ethics and the Cosmos: Aztec Physiology," in D. Carrasco, ed. The Imagination of Matter: Religion and Ecology in Mesoamerican Traditions (Oxford: BAR International Series 515, 1989), 191-210.

B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Mesoamerican Religious Tradition and Medicine," in L.E. Sullivan, Ed., Healing and Restoring: Health and Medicine in the World's Religious Traditions (NY: Macmillan, 1989) pp. 359-394.

B. R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Multiculturalism, Cult Archaeology, and Pseudoscience," in F. Harrold and R. Eve, eds., Scientific Creationism and Cult Archaeology, 135-151. Ames: University of Iowa Press, 1995.

"Afrocentric Pseudoscience: The Miseducation of African-Americans," in N. Levitt and P. Gross, eds., The Flight from Science and Reason. Baltimore: Johns Hopkins Press. 1996 .

“Black Warrior Dynasts: L’Afrocentrisme et le Nouveau Monde,” In Fauvelle, F.-X., Chretien, J.-P., Perrot, C.-H. (eds.). Afrocentrismes. L’histoire des Africains entre Égypte et Amérique, 249-270 Paris: Karthala (2000). Revised publish in English ------, Mary Lefkowitz , ed. 200?


2. Co-authored

C. Browner and B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Herbal Emmenagogues Used by Women in Colombia and Mexico," in N.L. Etkin, Ed., Plants Used in Indigenous Medicines: A Bio-cultural Approach (NY: Redgrave, 1986). pp. 32-47.

C. H. Browner, B. R. Ortiz de Montellano and A. Rubel, "El analysis comparativo de sistemas médicos," In P. Sesia, ed. Medicina tradicional, herbolaria y salud comunitaria en Oaxaca. (Oaxaca: CIESAS\Gobierno del Estado de Oaxaca, 1992), pp. 223-263.

B. R. Ortiz de Montellano and Cathleen C. Loving. 2003. “Good versus Bad Culturally Relevant Science: Avoiding the Pitfalls,” In M.S. Hines, ed. Multicultural Science Education: Theory, Practice, and Promise 147-166 N.Y: Peter Lang.


D. Journal Articles Published

1. Refereed Journals

B. Ortiz de Montellano, "Jailhouse Politics," J. Contemporary Law, 1, 30-47 (1974).

_____ "Aztec Medicine: Empirical Considerations," Ethnomedizin (Hamburg), 3, (#3/4) 249-71 (1974-75).

_____ "Empirical Aztec Medicine," Science, 188, 215-220 (1975); Reprinted in the following: Katunob, 9 (#3) (1976), N. Klein, Ed., Culture, Curers and Contagion (San Francisco: Chandler Sharp, 1979).

_____ "Curanderos: Spanish Shamans or Aztec Scientists," Grito Del Sol, 1 (#3), 21-28 (1976); Reprinted in La Raza Habla (New Mexico State University), 1 (#4), 1976.

_____ "Aztec Cannibalism: An Ecological Necessity," Science, 200, 611-617 (1978).

_____ "The Scientific Basis for Aztec Treatment of Wounds," Estudios Sobre Etnobotanica y Antropologia Medica (Mexico), 3, 145-154 (1979).

_____ "The Mesoamerican Calendar: Philosophy and Computations," Grito Del Sol, 4 (#2), 47-73 (1979).

_____ "Aztec Survivals in Modern Folk Medicine," Grito Del Sol, 4 (#2), 11-26 (1979).

_____ "El Canibalismo Azteca, Necesidad Ecologica?," Anales de Antropologia (Mexico), 14, 155-182 (1979).

_____ "Las Yerbas De Tlaloc," Estudios De Cultura Nahuatl (Natl. Univ. Mexico), 14, 287-314 (1980).

_____ "Minorities and the Medical Professional Monopoly: Ethical, and Political Aspects of the Interaction of Traditional Medicine and Science," Grito Del Sol, 5 (#2), 27-70 (1980); Reprinted in: J.V. Martinez and D.I. Marinez, Eds., Aspects of Hispanic and American Indian Involvement in Biomedical Research (Bethesda, MD: SACNAS, 1982).

_____ "Counting Skulls: Comment on the Aztec Cannibalism Theory of Harner-Harris," American Anthropologist, 45 (#2), 403-406 (1983).

_____ "Reductionist or Holistic Medicine: Its Role in Latin America," Estudios de Antropologia Medica, 4, 115-137 (1986).

_____ "Caida de Mollera: Aztec Sources for a Disease of Supposed Spanish Origin," Ethnohistory, 34(#4), 381-399 (1987).

_____ "Ghosts of the Imagination: John Bierhorst's Translation of the Cantares Mexicanos," New Scholar, 11, 35-46 (1989). Reprinted in Tlalocan (Mexico), 11: 469-482 (1989).

______ "Multicultural Pseudoscience: Spreading Scientific Illiteracy Among Minorities. I" Skeptical Inquirer, 16 (#1): 46-50, 1991. Reprinted in Kendrick Frazer, ed. Science, Knowledge, and Belief: Encounters with the Paranormal. Bufffalo, NY: Prometheus Books. 1998. IN PRESS

_______"Magic Melanin: Spreading Scientific Illiteracy Among Minorities. II." Skeptical Inquirer, 16 (#2): 162-166, 1992.

_______"Afrocentric Creationism," Creation/Evolution, #29, 1-8, Winter 1991-1992.

_______"Afrocentricity, Melanin, and Pseudoscience," Yearbook of Physical Anthropology, 36: 33-58 (1993).

_______"The Dogon Revisited," Skeptical Inquirer. (Nov./Dec): 39-42 (1996).

_______ “Post-Modern Multiculturalism,”. APS Physics and Society Newsletter 26 (#4):3-5 (1997). Reprinted in American Physical Society News 7 (#1 January) 12 (1998)

______ Multicultural Science: Who Benefits? Science Education 85: 77-79 (2001).



Co-Authored:

B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, B.A. Loving, T.C. Shields and P.D. Gardner, "Metal-Ammonia Reduction of Nonconjugated Dienes and Enones," J. American Chemical Society, 89, 3365-3366 (1967).

L.J. Purdue, J. Bryant and B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Analysis of Pesticide Residues by a Dual-Electron Capture Detector Method," J. Agricultural and Food Chemistry, 17, 264-266 (1969).

D.Y. Myers, C.G. Stroebel, B.R. Ortiz de Montellano and P.D. Gardner, "Reaction of 3-cyclohexenyl Radical with Nucleophiles," J. American Chemical Society, 95, 5832-5833 (1973).

D.Y. Myers, C.G. Stroebel, B.R. Ortiz de Montellano and P.D. Gardner, "Coupling of Radicals with Nucleophiles: Scope of the Reaction," J. American Chemical Society, 96, 1981-1982 (1974).

J.A. Anderson, D.R. Bowen, J.A. Juskevice, B.R. Ortiz de Montellano and J.R. Woodyard, "Home Experiments in an Adult General Education Program," J. of College Science Teaching, 10 (#5), 297-299 (1981).

B.R. Ortiz de Montellano and P. Pastor, "Ciencia y Technologia Para Grupos Minoritarios," Ingenieria (National Univ. of Mexico), 51 (#3), 60-68 (1981).

J. Davidson and B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "The Antibacterial Properties of an Aztec Wound Remedy," Journal of Ethnopharmacology (Switzerland), 8, 149-161 (1984).

B.R. Ortiz de Montellano and C.H. Browner, "Chemical Bases for Medicinal Plant Use in Oaxaca, Mexico," Journal of Ethnopharmacology, 13, 57-88 (1985).

D. Marinez and B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, " Improving the Science and Mathematic Achievement of Mexican American Students: Ethnoscience or Culturally Relevant Science", ERIC Digest,EDO-RC-88-07 (March 1988).

C.H. Browner, B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, and A.J. Rubel, "A Methodology for Cross-Cultural Ethnomedical Research," Current Anthropology, 29, 681-702 (1988)

C.H. Browner, B. R. Ortiz de Montellano, and A. J. Rubel, "Reply to H. R. Fabrega, 'On Research Methdology for Ethnomedicine", Current Anthropology, 30: 347-348 (1989).

R.T. Trotter, B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, and M.H. Logan, "Fallen Fontanelle in the American Southwest: Its Origin, Epidemiology and Possible Organic Causes," Medical Anthropology, 10 (#4): 207-217 (1989).

T. Villaruel and B. R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Pain: A Mesoamerican View," Advances in Nursing Science, 15 (#1), 21-32 1992.

G. Haslip-Viera, B. R. Ortiz de Montellano and W. Barbour, "Robbing Native American Cultures: Van Sertima and the Olmecs," Current Anthropology, 38 (#3): 419-441 (1997).

B. R. Ortiz de Montellano, W. Barbour, and G. Haslip-Viera, “They Were Not Here Before Columbus: Afrocentric Diffusionism in the 1990’s, Ethnohistory 44 (#2): 199-234 1997.

M. Heinrich,, J. West, M. Robles, B. R. Ortiz de Montellano and E. R. Rodriguez, "Ethnopharmacology of Mexican Asteraceae (Compositae)," Annual Review of Pharmacology and Toxicology, 38:539-565(1998).


2. Invited Review Articles

B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Drugs of the Future: Drugs of the Past," Reviews in Anthropology, 6 (#4), 425-35 (1979); Reprinted in translation in Medicina Tradicional (Mexico), 2, (#8), 71-79 (1980).

_____ "Entheogens: The Interaction of Biology and Culture," Reviews in Anthropology, 8 (#4), 339-364 (1981).

_____ "The Body Dangerous: Physiology and Social Stratification," Reviews in Anthropology, 9 (#1), 97-106 (1982).

3. Nonrefereed Journals

B. R. Ortiz de Montellano, "The Stepchildren of Law and Order," St. Mary's University Bulletin, 4 (#1), 6-9 (1971).

_____ "Chicano Studies at the University of Utah," La Luz, 11-12 (April 1974).

_____ "Aztec Medicine: Fancy or Fact?," Student Osteopathic Medical Association Publication, 5 (#2), 1-3 (1976).

B. R. Ortiz de Montellano and I. Salas, "Spanish Origin Population in Detroit," (Detroit, MI: WSU Center for Urban Studies, MIMIC, 1984), 8 pages.

_______"Avoiding Egyptocentric Pseudoscience: Colleges Must Help Set Standards for Schools," Chronicle of Higher Education, March 22, 1992, B1-2.

B. Ortiz de Montellano and A. M. Saperstein, "Do Portland Essays distort science?" Physics Today (August), 66-67 (1993).

Bernard Ortiz de Montellano, "Pharaoh was no Einstein," Newsday, July 9, 1995, pp. A36, 38, 39.

Bernard Ortiz de Montellano, Plant Evidence for Contact Between Africa and the New. Posted electronically- http://www.thehallofmaat.com. June 2004.

Bernard Ortiz de Montellano. “Ethnic Politics and the Flight from Science.”Rocky Mountain Skeptic 17 (#5): 3-4 (September 2000); reprinted in Wonder een is gheen Wonder (Belgium) IN PRESS

Bernard Ortiz de Montellano "MAGIA MEDICINAL AZTECA".. Arqueología Mexicana XII (#69): 30-33 2004.

Bernard Ortiz de Montellano "MEDICINA Y SALUD EN MESOAMERICA ," Arqueologia Mexicana XIII (#74) 32-37 (2005)


4. Encyclopedia Articles

"Ethnopharmacology," in S. P. Parker, ed., McGraw-Hill Yearbook of Science and Technology (NY:McGraw-Hill, 6th Ed., 1987), pp. 311-313.

“Disease, Illness, and Curing”. The Archaeology of Ancient Mexico and Central America: An Encyclopedia. S.L. Evans and D. L. Webster, eds. New York: Garland Publishing (2001)

LA MEDICINA AZTECA. Storia della Sciezia, Sandro Petruccioli, ed. Vol II, pp. 1019-1026. Rome: Istituto della Enciclopedia Italiana. 2001.

THE HUMAN BODY. D. Carrasco, ed. Encyclopedia of Mesoamerica,, vol II, pp. 23-27 Oxford: Oxford University Press. 2001

E. Papers Published in Conference Proceedings

1. Refereed Papers

B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "The Rational Causes of Disease Among the Aztecs," Memoirs XLII Intl. Congress of Americanistes (Paris, Sept. 1976) 6, 287-299 (1979); Reprinted in Katunob, 10 (#2), (1979).

_____ "Una Clasificacion Botanica Entre Los Nahuas?," in X. Lozoya, Ed., Estado Actual Del Conocimiento de Plantas Medicas Mexicanas (Mexico: IMEPLAM, 1976) pp. 27-49.

_____ "Magic, Myth and Minority Scientists," Proceedings of the Society for the Advancement of Chicanos and Native Americans in Science (Boulder, CO, March 1978) 62-74; Reprinted in ERIC, Resources in Education (1979); Grito Del Sol, 4 (#2), (1979).

C. H. Browner and B. R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Enseñanzas qué derivan del uso de Yerbas Medicinales en Oxaca, México," Memorias 45o Congreso Internacional de Americanistas (Bogotá, Colombia, 1985). Patrones Cognitivos: Rituales y Fiestas de las Americas (Bogotá: Ediciones Uniandes, 1988), pp. 358-367.

----- "Afrocentric Pseudoscience: The Miseducation of African-Americans," Annals of the New York Academy of Science 775: 561-572 (1996)

F. Translations of Other Authors Published

1. Books

T. Ortiz de Montellano and B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, (Trans) of A. Lopez Austin, Human Body and Ideology. Aztec Physiological Concepts (Salt Lake City: University of Utah Press, 1988) 2 volumes.

B. R. Ortiz de Montellano and T. Ortiz de Montellano, (Trans.) of A. López Austin, Myths of the Opossum: Pathways of Mesoamerican Mythologies (Albuquerque: University of New Mexico Press, 1993).

B. R. Ortiz de Montellano and T. Ortiz de Montellano, (Trans.) of Leonardo López Luján, The Offerings of the Templo Mayor of Tenochtitlan (Boulder: University Press of Colorado, 1994).


B. R. Ortiz de Montellano and T. Ortiz de Montellano, (Trans.) of Eduardo Matos Moctezuma, Life and Death at the Templo Mayor (Boulder: University Press of Colorado, 1995).

B. R. Ortiz de Montellano and T. Ortiz de Montellano, (Trans.) of Georges Baudot, Utopia in Mexico (Boulder: University Press of Colorado, 1995).

B. R. Ortiz de Montellano and T. Ortiz de Montellano (Trans.) of Alfredo López Austin,The Rabbit on the Face of the Moon (Salt Lake City: University of Utah Press, 1996)

B. R. Ortiz de Montellano and T. Ortiz de Montellano, (Trans.) of Alfredo López Austin, Tamoanchan, Tlalocan (Boulder: University Press of Colorado, 1997).

B. R. Ortiz de Montellano and T. Ortiz de Montellano, (Trans.) of Michel Graulich, Myths of Ancient Mexico (Norman: Univ. of Oklahoma Press, 1997).

B. R. Ortiz de Montellano (trans.) Alfredo López Austin and Leonardo López Luján, The Indian Past (Norman: University of Oklahoma Press, 2001)

H. Book Reviews Published

1. Academic Journals
B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Review of F. Steyneffer, Florilegio Medicinal," The Americas, 40 (#4), 576-578 (1984).

_____ "Myth and Urbanism. Review of D. Carrasco, Quetzalcoatl and the Irony of Empire," Science, 223, 1069-1090 (1984).

_____ "Review of A. Aveni, Skywatchers of Ancient Mexico," Technology and Culture, 26 (#2), 343-345 (1985).

______"Review of W. Fowler, The Cultural Evolution of the Pipil-Nicarao, Hispanic American Historical Review, 71 (#4), 880-881 (1991).

______"Review of Historia general de la medicina en Mexico, Vol. 1 and 2," Medical Anthropology Quarterly, 6 (#2), 167-171 (1992).

-----"Acculturation to Science. Review of J. Fortes and L. A. Lomnitz, Becoming a Scientist in Mexico. The Challenge of Creating a Scientific Community in Mexico. Science, 266, 837-839 (1994).

-----Review of Frances Karttunen, Between Worlds. Interpreters, Guides, and Survivors. Nahua Newsletter (#20, November): 15 (1995).

-----Review of E. A. Berlin and B. Berlin, Medical Ethnobiology of the Highland Maya of Chiapas, Mexico: The Gastrointestinal Diseases. Medical Ethnobiology of the Highland Maya of Chiapas, Mexico. Isis 88 (#2): 329-330 (1997).

----- Review of W. Mignolo, The Dark Side of the Renaissance. The Americas 53 (July): 138-139 (1977).

--------Review of Anthony Aveni, Stairway to the Stars: Skywatching in Three Great Ancient Societies. Isis 90 (#4):797-798 (1999).

-------Review of Ivan van Sertima, Early America Revisited. Latin American Antiquity 11:195-196 (2000).

---------Review of Henry J. Bruman, Alcohol in Ancient Mexico. Hispanic American Historical Review 82(#1): 129-130 (2002).


L. Papers Presented

1. Invited and/or Refereed Internationally or
Nationally

"Jailhouse Politics," paper delivered at a meeting of the Rocky Mountain Social Science Association, Colorado State University, May 1971.

"Aztec Medicine: Empirical Consideration," paper delivered at the Chemical Congress of the North American Continent, Mexico City, Mexico, December 1975.

"Habia Botanica entre los Nahoas?," (Ethnobotanical Classification of the Aztecs) paper delivered at a symposium on the Current Status of Mexican Medicinal Plants, Mexico City, March 1976.

"Aztec Medicine," paper delivered at the 3rd Annual Symposium sponsored by NIH Minority Biomedical Research Support Program (one of four keynote addresses), New Orleans, March 1976.

"Rational Causes of Disease Among the Aztecs," paper presented at a symposium on Precolumbian Concepts of Disease, at the XLII International Congress of Americanists, Paris, September 1976.

"Magic, Myth and Minority Scientists," invited paper to a conference on the Current Status of Chicanos and Native Americans in Science, Boulder, CO, February 1978.

"Aztec Ethnozoology," paper delivered at a conference on Mexican Medical History, Mexico City, October 1978.

"Reductionist or Holistic Medicine: Its Role in Latin America," invited paper to a Symposium-Medicina Tradicional, Alternativa de Saludat the XLIII International Congress of Americanists, Vancouver, Canada, August 1979. I also served as co-sponsor of the symposium.

Organized symposium and delivered paper "Ethical and Political Aspects of the Interaction of Traditional Medicine and Science," at a symposium entitled "Interaction of Traditional Medicine and Science" at the Annual Meeting of the Association for the Advancement of Chicanos and Native Americans in Science, Albuquerque, NM, September 1980.

"Etiologia y la Clasificacion de Enfermedades en la Medicina Azteca" and "Las Ciencias Fisicas y la Historiografia en el Estudio de la Medicina Pre-Hispanica," invited papers to a symposium on the "Study of Pre-Hispanic Medicine" sponsored by the National Academy of Medicine and the National University of Mexico, Mexico City, August 1981.

"Energy Saving Pharmaceuticals and Food Sources: The Aztec Perspective," invited paper, U.S. Department of Energy, Washington, DC, September 15, 1981.

"Precolumbian Medicine and the Persistence of Folklore," invited paper to symposium on "The Pre-Columbian Synthesis" sponsored by the Witte Museum and the University of Texas Medical School, San Antonio, TX, November 20-21, 1981.

"Herbs of the Aztec Rain God," delivered at symposium "Herbalism in Latin America: Multidisciplinary Perspectives," at the 80th Annual Meeting of the American Anthropological Association, Los Angeles, CA, December 1-5, 1981.

"Desert Plants as Phytochemical Resources - Aztec and Contemporary Uses," to a US-Mexico Symposium on "Renewable Resources of the Desert," Irvine, CA January 14-15, 1983.

Organized symposium, "Recent Anthropological Perspectives on Health and Ethnomedicine Among Hispanics," and delivered a paper entitled, "Herbal Remedies for Reproductive Health and their Implication for Humoral Medicine" (with Carole Browner) at th 82nd Annual Meeting of the American Anthropological Association, Chicago, IL, November 16-20, 1983.

"Chemistry, Symbolism and Syncretism: Aztec Sources of Mexican Folk Medicine," presented at a symposium, "Drugs: The Chemistry of Action and the Basis of Folk Remedies" at the International Chemical Congress of Pacific Basin Societies, Honolulu, Hawaii, December 16-21, 1984.

"Lessons to be Learned from Medicinal Plant Use in Oaxaca, Mexico," (with C. Browner) to be presented at symposium "Ensenansas de las Medicinas Paralelas" at the XLV International Congress of Americanists, Bogota, Colombia, July, 1985.

"Chemical Bases for Medicinal Plant Use in Oaxaca, Mexico" (with Carole Browner) presented at a symposium "The Folklore of the Procreative Process" at the III International Congress of Traditional and Folk Medicine, Cuernavaca, Mexico, October, 1985.

"Caida de mollera: Aztec Sources for a Mesoamerican Disease of Supposed European Origin," at symposium "Mesoamerican Ethnohistory: Codices and Manuscripts" in Annual Meeting of Association for Ethnohistory, Chicago, November 7-10, 1985.

"Diego Rivera and the Revival of Aztec Imagery", one of four invited lectures at inauguration of an exhibit - "A Retrospective of Diego Rivera's Work". Detroit Institute of Arts, March 5, 1986.

"Medicine and the Mesoamerican Religious Tradition", at a Symposium "Caring and Curing: Health and Medicine in the World's Religious Traditions", Chicago, April 24-26, 1986.

"The Body, Ethics and the Cosmos: Aztec Physiology" at a Symposium "The Imagination of Matter: Religion and Ecology in Mesoamerican Traditions", Boulder, CO, July 6-11, 1986.

"Feeding the World: Productivity of Food Plants," at Symposium "Teaching Culturally Relevant Science" at 4th Annual Meeting of the Society for the Advancement of Chicanos and Native Americans in Science (SACNAS), Los Angeles, September 25-27, 1986.

"A New Methodology for Ethnomedicine," at 85th Annual Meeting of the American Anthropological Association, Philadelphia, December 8, 1986.

" Teaching Science with Aztec Food Plants" invited lecture UCLA Graduate School of Education, February 6, 1987.

"Las Yerbas de la Gente: Evaluation of Folk Medicine," at Annual Meeting SACNAS, El Paso, TX, October 30, 1987.

"Aztec Art in A Cultural Context" lecture series at the Detroit Institute of Art, May-June 1989.

"Hispanics, National Defense and Culturally Relevant Science" presented at annual Conference SACNAS (Society for the Advance of Chicanos and Native Americans in Science), Irvine, CA, January 5, 1991."

"Feeding the World: "Big Green" and the Aztecs" presented at the annual Conference of SACNAS, Irvine, CA, January 5, 1991.

"Culturally Relevant Science and Hispanics" presented at a meeting of the Sandia Corporation-New Mexico Schools Consortium, February 1, 1991.

"Pain: A Mesoamerican View" presented at the 15th Annual Conference of the Midwest Nursing Research Society, Oklahoma City, April 27-30, 1991. With Antonia Villaruel.

"Review of To Change Place: Aztec Ceremonial Landscapes" at Conference "Tradition and Innovation in Aztec Society and Aztec Studies," Boulder, CO., June 30-July 5, 1991

Organizer of Symposium, "Whose Math and Science is it Anyway: Multicultural Science Education" and presenter of paper "A Critique of the Portland Baseline Science Essay" at the AAAS Annual Conference, Chicago, February 11, 1992.

Julian Zamora Research Center, Michigan State University, Invited Community Science Lecture, April 30, 1992.

Sigma Xi-California Academy of Science Lecture, "Multicultural Science and Pseudoscience: Spreading Scientific Illiteracy Among Minorities," San Francisco State University, May 15, 1992.

Presenter "Empirical Aztec Medicine," at Symposium "The Meeting of Medical Traditions in New Spain", UCLA, October 2, 1992.

Organizer of Symposium, "Multicultural Science: the Good, the Bad, and the Bogus" and presenter of paper "Afrocentric Pseudoscience" at Annual Conference of the Committee for the Investigation of the Paranormal, Dallas October 16-17, 1992 Dallas, TX

Presenter (with Diana Marinez), "Multiculturalism in Science: Why and How?" Joint Meeting National Science Teachers Association and Asociación Mexicana de Maestros de Ciencia, Mexico City, July 24 1993.

Paper " Evolution and Multiculturalism" at session "The Use and Abuse of Evolution," at AAAS Annual Meeting, San Francisco, CA February 20, 1994.

Presenter, "Afrocentric Pseudoscience: The Miseducation of African-Americans," at conference "The Flight from Science and Reason," New York Academy of Science, May 31-June 2, 1995.

Co-organizer Session "Pseudoscience, Biology and the Education of African-American Students," Annual Meeting of AAAS, February 12, 1996. Presenter "Afrocentric Pseudoscience vs. Culturally Relevant Science."

Presenter “Teaching Culturally Relevant Science: Problems, Promises, and Prospects” Annual Meeting Society for the Advancement of Chicanos and Native Americans in Science (SACNAS), Houston, TX, October 12, 1997

Presenter “Good vs. Bad Culturally Relevant Science: Avoiding the Pitfalls” (with Kathleen Loving) Association for Excellence in Teaching Science (AETS) Minneapolis, MN January 8-11, 1998

Notice that I not only have presented multiple times at national and international conferences, I have organized a number of sessions- so I know how meetings are organized. I hope this show that Clyde's claims about my not doing original research or my trying to build a reputation by refuting his and Van "Sertima's work are baloney. It's the other way, actually, writing about Afrocentrism is difficult because it is difficult to find good journals, i.e. not vanity ones like the "International Journal of Research on the Social Sciences", that are interested in printing this kind of stuff.

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Quetzalcoatl what was the current anthropology article you wrote? Was it one I linked on Sertima?

I have 3 in Current Anthropology:

G. Haslip-Viera, B. R. Ortiz de Montellano and W. Barbour, "Robbing Native American Cultures: Van Sertima and the Olmecs," Current Anthropology, 38 (#3): 419-441 (1997).

C.H. Browner, B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, and A.J. Rubel, "A Methodology for Cross-Cultural Ethnomedical Research," Current Anthropology, 29, 681-702 (1988)

C.H. Browner, B. R. Ortiz de Montellano, and A. J. Rubel, "Reply to H. R. Fabrega, 'On Research Methdology for Ethnomedicine", Current Anthropology, 30: 347-348 (1989).

LOL. Let's look at these papers. One was an attack on Ivan, the next a research article, and the third a Letter to the Editor.

Oh Great Deceiver, You have a lot of nerve. Here you are criticizing my Letter to BioEssay, as not being peer reviewed, yet you admit you published a Letter, in CA, and claim it as "peer reviewed.

LOL. You are a liar and fraud Oh Great Deceiver.

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Skeletal Evidence of African Olmecs
By Dr. Clyde A. Winters

Virtually nothing Clyde writes in the above article is true and he distorts Wiercinski (1972).

Firstly Clyde states: "There were 38 males and 62 female crania in the study from Tlatilco and 18 males and 7 females from Cerro". Yet Wiercinski's individual typological analysis [which Clyde later quotes] only used 63 skulls. The rest were in bad condition to take measurements.

So of these 63 skulls Wiercinski of the Polish Comparative-Morphological School carried out an individual typological and type-component analysis (using Michalski's 'halving-method') of 52 skulls from Tlatilco and 11 from Cerro de las Mesas. Here is his breakdown of those (my diagram):

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Wiercinski, A. (1972). "An Anthropological Study on the Origin of Olmecs". Swiatowit. 33. pp. 143-174.

First thing to note, is that contrary to Clyde who writes: "Wiercinski found African skeletons", not one of the "race types" is African.

Wiercinki's "Pacific-Equatorial", Laponoid-Equatorial", and "Armenoid-Bushmenoid" in his own words: "reflect [a] phenotypically complex of traits of the White or Black variety" but which have no biological basis whatsoever:

"It should be remembered that the results of this racial analysis based on the applications of the principles of the Polish Comparative-Morphological School with its distinctive and refined individual typology detached of any social, ethnic, linguistic or geographic division of mankind — are hardly comparable with the raciological studies of other anthropologists."

Clyde is too dumb to understand that the Polish "race types" of the Polish Comparative-Morphological School were not biological. So you could find any of the "types" in any population. You could find a Zulu being labelled "Nordic" by Wiercinski, lol.

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Let’s look at the publications of Bernard. He list 10 articles he wrote by himself, and the rest co-authored. Knowing that Bernard is a fraud we will not discuss the so-called articles he co-authored. I would bet 9/10, they were wrote by his students and he just attached his name to their work. There is nothing wrong with this it’s a good way to get your student’s work published. Below are the papers:
  • 1. Authored

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "El Conocimiento de la Naturaleza Entre Los Aztecas. Taxonomia," in A. Lopez Austin, Ed., La Historia General de la Medicina (Mexico: Academia Nacional de la Medicina, UNAM, 1984), Vol. 1, 115-132.

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Los Principios Rectores de la Medicina Entre Los Mexicas. Etiologia, Diagnostico y Pronostico," in A. Lopez Austin, Ed., La Historia General de la Medicina (Mexico: Academia Nacional de la Medicina, UNAM, 1984), Vol. 1, 159-170.

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Aztec Medicinal Herbs: Evaluation of Therapeutic Effectiveness," in N.L. Etkin, Ed., Plants Used in Indigenous Medicines: A Bio-cultural Approach (NY: Redgrave, 1986). pp. 113-127.

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Aztec Sources of Some Mexican Folk Medicine," in R. Steiner, Ed., Folk Medicine: The Art and the Science (Washington, DC: American Chemical Society, 1986). pp. 1-22.

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Syncretism in Mexican and Mexican-American Folk Medicine," 1992 Lecture Series. Working Papers #5 (College Park, MD: Dept. of Spanish and Portuguese, University of Maryland, 1989).

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "The Body, Ethics and the Cosmos: Aztec Physiology," in D. Carrasco, ed. The Imagination of Matter: Religion and Ecology in Mesoamerican Traditions (Oxford: BAR International Series 515, 1989), 191-210.

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Mesoamerican Religious Tradition and Medicine," in L.E. Sullivan, Ed., Healing and Restoring: Health and Medicine in the World's Religious Traditions (NY: Macmillan, 1989) pp. 359-394.

    B. R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Multiculturalism, Cult Archaeology, and Pseudoscience," in F. Harrold and R. Eve, eds., Scientific Creationism and Cult Archaeology, 135-151. Ames: University of Iowa Press, 1995.

    "Afrocentric Pseudoscience: The Miseducation of African-Americans," in N. Levitt and P. Gross, eds., The Flight from Science and Reason. Baltimore: Johns Hopkins Press. 1996 .

    “Black Warrior Dynasts: L’Afrocentrisme et le Nouveau Monde,” In Fauvelle, F.-X., Chretien, J.-P., Perrot, C.-H. (eds.). Afrocentrismes. L’histoire des Africains entre Égypte et Amérique, 249-270 Paris: Karthala (2000). Revised publish in English ------, Mary Lefkowitz , ed. 200?
Of these papers 40% are attacks on Ivan. As I said your career has been on the back of Afrocentrism, especially Ivan van Sertima.
Let’s look at the publications of Bernard. He list 10 articles he wrote by himself, and the rest co-authored. Knowing that Bernard is a fraud we will not discuss the so-called articles he co-authored. I would bet 9/10, they were wrote by his students and he just attached his name to their work. There is nothing wrong with this it’s a good way to get your student’s work published. Below are the papers:
  • 1. Authored

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "El Conocimiento de la Naturaleza Entre Los Aztecas. Taxonomia," in A. Lopez Austin, Ed., La Historia General de la Medicina (Mexico: Academia Nacional de la Medicina, UNAM, 1984), Vol. 1, 115-132.

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Los Principios Rectores de la Medicina Entre Los Mexicas. Etiologia, Diagnostico y Pronostico," in A. Lopez Austin, Ed., La Historia General de la Medicina (Mexico: Academia Nacional de la Medicina, UNAM, 1984), Vol. 1, 159-170.

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Aztec Medicinal Herbs: Evaluation of Therapeutic Effectiveness," in N.L. Etkin, Ed., Plants Used in Indigenous Medicines: A Bio-cultural Approach (NY: Redgrave, 1986). pp. 113-127.

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Aztec Sources of Some Mexican Folk Medicine," in R. Steiner, Ed., Folk Medicine: The Art and the Science (Washington, DC: American Chemical Society, 1986). pp. 1-22.

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Syncretism in Mexican and Mexican-American Folk Medicine," 1992 Lecture Series. Working Papers #5 (College Park, MD: Dept. of Spanish and Portuguese, University of Maryland, 1989).

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "The Body, Ethics and the Cosmos: Aztec Physiology," in D. Carrasco, ed. The Imagination of Matter: Religion and Ecology in Mesoamerican Traditions (Oxford: BAR International Series 515, 1989), 191-210.

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Mesoamerican Religious Tradition and Medicine," in L.E. Sullivan, Ed., Healing and Restoring: Health and Medicine in the World's Religious Traditions (NY: Macmillan, 1989) pp. 359-394.

    B. R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Multiculturalism, Cult Archaeology, and Pseudoscience," in F. Harrold and R. Eve, eds., Scientific Creationism and Cult Archaeology, 135-151. Ames: University of Iowa Press, 1995.

    "Afrocentric Pseudoscience: The Miseducation of African-Americans," in N. Levitt and P. Gross, eds., The Flight from Science and Reason. Baltimore: Johns Hopkins Press. 1996 .

    “Black Warrior Dynasts: L’Afrocentrisme et le Nouveau Monde,” In Fauvelle, F.-X., Chretien, J.-P., Perrot, C.-H. (eds.). Afrocentrismes. L’histoire des Africains entre Égypte et Amérique, 249-270 Paris: Karthala (2000). Revised publish in English ------, Mary Lefkowitz , ed. 200?

Of these papers 40% are attacks on Ivan. As I said your career has been on the back of Afrocentrism, especially Ivan van Sertima.

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quote:
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Skeletal Evidence of African Olmecs
By Dr. Clyde A. Winters

Virtually nothing Clyde writes in the above article is true and he distorts Wiercinski (1972).

Firstly Clyde states: "There were 38 males and 62 female crania in the study from Tlatilco and 18 males and 7 females from Cerro". Yet Wiercinski's individual typological analysis [which Clyde later quotes] only used 63 skulls. The rest were in bad condition to take measurements.

So of these 63 skulls Wiercinski of the Polish Comparative-Morphological School carried out an individual typological and type-component analysis (using Michalski's 'halving-method') of 52 skulls from Tlatilco and 11 from Cerro de las Mesas. Here is his breakdown of those (my diagram):

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Wiercinski, A. (1972). "An Anthropological Study on the Origin of Olmecs". Swiatowit. 33. pp. 143-174.

First thing to note, is that contrary to Clyde who writes: "Wiercinski found African skeletons", not one of the "race types" is African.

Wiercinki's "Pacific-Equatorial", Laponoid-Equatorial", and "Armenoid-Bushmenoid" in his own words: "reflect [a] phenotypically complex of traits of the White or Black variety" but which have no biological basis whatsoever:

"It should be remembered that the results of this racial analysis based on the applications of the principles of the Polish Comparative-Morphological School with its distinctive and refined individual typology detached of any social, ethnic, linguistic or geographic division of mankind — are hardly comparable with the raciological studies of other anthropologists."

Clyde is too dumb to understand that the Polish "race types" of the Polish Comparative-Morphological School were not biological. So you could find any of the "types" in any population. You could find a Zulu being labelled "Nordic" by Wiercinski, lol.

The laugh is on you. Wiercinski provides pictures in the article of the biological types. Pictures that show the categories were related to the Negro type.
Ivan van Sertima told us about the work Dr. Wiercinski who examined many Olmec skeletons. Dr. Wiercinski (1972) claims that the some of the Olmecs were of African origin. He supports this claim with skeletal evidence from several Olmec sites where he found skeletons that were analogous to the West African type black. Wiercinski discovered that 13.5 percent of the skeletons from Tlatilco and 4.5 percent of the skeletons from Cerro de las Mesas were Africoid (Rensberger,1988; Wiercinski, 1972; Wiercinski & Jairazbhoy 1975).

Diehl and Coe (1995, 12) of Harvard University have made it clear that until a skeleton of an African is found on an Olmec site he will not accept the art evidence that the were Africans among the Olmecs. This is rather surprising because Constance Irwin and Dr. Wiercinski (1972) have both reported that skeletal remains of Africans have been found in Mexico. Constance Irwin, in Fair Gods and Stone Faces, says that anthropologist see "distinct signs of Negroid ancestry in many a New World skull...."

Dr. Wiercinski (1972) claims that some of the Olmecs were of African origin. He supports this claim with skeletal evidence from several Olmec sites where he found skeletons that were analogous to the West African type black. Many Olmec skulls show cranial deformations (Pailles, 1980), yet Wiercinski (1972b) was able to determine the ethnic origins of the Olmecs. Marquez (1956, 179-80) made it clear that a common trait of the African skulls found in Mexico include marked prognathousness ,prominent cheek bones are also mentioned. Fronto-occipital deformation among the Olmec is not surprising because cranial deformations was common among the Mande speaking people until fairly recently (Desplanges, 1906).


To determine the racial heritage of the ancient Olmecs, Dr. Wiercinski (1972b) used classic diagnostic traits determined by craniometric and cranioscopic methods. These measurements were then compared to a series of three crania sets from Poland, Mongolia and Uganda to represent the three racial categories of mankind.
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In Table 1, we have the racial composition of the Olmec skulls. The only European type recorded in this table is the Alpine group which represents only 1.9 percent of the crania from Tlatilco.

The other alleged "white" crania from Wiercinski's typology of Olmec crania, represent the Dongolan (19.2 percent), Armenoid (7.7 percent), Armenoid-Bushman (3.9 percent) and Anatolian (3.9 percent). The Dongolan, Anatolian and Armenoid terms are euphemisms for the so-called "Brown Race" "Dynastic Race", "Hamitic Race",and etc., which racist Europeans claimed were the founders of civilization in Africa.


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In Table 2, we record the racial composition of the Olmec according to the Wiercinski (1972b) study. The races recorded in this table are based on the Polish Comparative-Morphological School (PCMS). The PCMS terms are misleading. As mentioned earlier the Dongolan , Armenoid, and Equatorial groups refer to African people with varying facial features which are all Blacks. This is obvious when we look at the iconographic and sculptural evidence used by Wiercinski (1972b) to support his conclusions.

Wiercinski (1972b) compared the physiognomy of the Olmecs to corresponding examples of Olmec sculptures and bas-reliefs on the stelas. For example, Wiercinski (1972b, p.160) makes it clear that the clossal Olmec heads represent the Dongolan type. It is interesting to note that the emperical frequencies of the Dongolan type at Tlatilco is .231, this was more than twice as high as Wiercinski's theorectical figure of .101, for the presence of Dongolans at Tlatilco.

The other possible African type found at Tlatilco and Cerro were the Laponoid group. The Laponoid group represents the Austroloid-Melanesian type of (Negro) Pacific Islander, not the Mongolian type. If we add together the following percent of the Olmecs represented in Table 2, by the Laponoid (21.2%), Equatorial (13.5), and Armenoid (18.3) groups we can assume that at least 53 percent of the Olmecs at Tlatilco were Africans or Blacks. Using the same figures recorded in Table 2 for Cerro,we observe that 40.8 percent of these Olmecs would have been classified as Black if they lived in contemporary America.
Below are the racial types identified by Wiercinski:

Equatorial Type
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Dongolan Type
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Sub-Pacific and Bushmanoid-Armenoid

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Anatolian

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Rossum (1996) has criticied the work of Wiercinski because he found that not only blacks, but whites were also present in ancient America. To support this view he (1) claims that Wiercinski was wrong because he found that Negro/Black people lived in Shang China, and 2) that he compared ancient skeletons to modern Old World people.

First, it was not surprising that Wiercinski found affinities between African and ancient Chinese populations, because everyone knows that many Negro/African /Oceanic skeletons (referred to as Loponoid by the Polish school) have been found in ancient China see: Kwang-chih Chang The Archaeology of ancient China (1976,1977, p.76,1987, pp.64,68). These Blacks were spread throughout Kwangsi, Kwantung, Szechwan, Yunnan and Pearl River delta.

Skeletons from Liu-Chiang and Dawenkou, early Neolithic sites found in China, were also Negro. Moreover, the Dawenkou skeletons show skull deformation and extraction of teeth customs, analogous to customs among Blacks in Polynesia and Africa.

Secondly, Rossum argues that Wiercinski was wrong about Blacks in ancient America because a comparison of modern native American skeletal material and the ancient Olmec skeletal material indicate no admixture. The study of Vargas and Rossum are flawed. They are flawed because the skeletal reference collection they used in their comparison of Olmec skeletal remains and modern Amerindian propulations because the Mexicans have been mixing with African and European populations since the 1500's. This has left many components of these Old World people within and among Mexican Amerindians.

The iconography of the classic Olmec and Mayan civilization show no correspondence in facial features. But many contemporary Maya and other Amerind groups show African characteristics and DNA. Underhill, et al (1996) found that the Mayan people have an African Y chromosome. This would explain the "puffy" faces of contemporary Amerinds, which are incongruent with the Mayan type associated with classic Mayan sculptures and stelas.

Wiercinski on the otherhand, compared his SRC to an unmixed European and African sample. This comparison avoided the use of skeletal material that is clearly mixed with Africans and Europeans, in much the same way as the Afro-American people he discussed in his essay who have acquired "white" features since mixing with whites due to the slave trade.

A. von Wuthenau (1980), and Wiercinski (1972b) highlight the numerous art pieces depicting the African or Black variety which made up the Olmec people. This re-anlysis of the Olmec skeletal meterial from Tlatilco and Cerro, which correctly identifies Armenoid, Dongolan and Loponoid as euphmisms for "Negro" make it clear that a substantial number of the Olmecs were Blacks support the art evidence and writing which point to an African origin for Olmec civilization.

In conclusion, the Olmec people were called Xi. They did not speak a Mixe-Zoque language they spoke a Mande language, which is the substratum language for many Mexican languages.

The Olmec came from Saharan Africa 3200 years ago.They came in boats which are depicted in the Izapa Stela no.5, in twelve migratory waves. These Proto-Olmecs belonged to seven clans which served as the base for the Olmec people.

Physical anthropologist use many terms to refer to the African type represented by Olmec skeletal remains including Armenoid, Dongolan, Loponoid and Equatorial. The evidence of African skeletons found at many Olmec sites, and their trading partners from the Old World found by Dr. Andrzej Wiercinski prove the cosmopolitan nature of Olmec society. This skeletal evidence explains the discovery of many African tribes in Mexico and Central America when Columbus discovered the Americas (de Quatrefages, 1836).

The skeletal material from Tlatilco and Cerro de las Mesas and evidence that the Olmecs used an African writing to inscribe their monuments and artifacts, make it clear that Africans were a predominant part of the Olmec population.

These Olmecs constructed complex pyramids and large sculptured monuments weighing tons. The Maya during the Pre-Classic period built pyramids over the Olmec pyramids to disguise the Olmec origin of these pyramids.
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LOL. Bernard I have not put all of my articles and papers on Academia .edu. I am too lazy. Below is a list of some of my articles.
  • Articles
    Clyde A. Winters,"Contemporary Trends in Traditional Chinese Islamic Education". INTERNATIONAL REVIEW OF EDUCATION, 30(4):475 479.
    ___________________. 1987. "Koranic Education and Militant Islam in Nigeria". INTERNATIONAL REVIEW OF EDUCATION, 33(2):171 185.
    ___________________. 1987b. "Traditional and contemporary Trends in Chinese Muslim Education",MUSLIM EDUCATION QUARTERLY ,4(4):52 65.
    ___________________. 1988. "Contemporary Trends in Chinese Muslim Education". MUSLIM EDUCATION QUARTERLY,4(4):52 65.

    ___________________. 1988b. "ISLAMIZATION AND EDUCATION IN MUSLIM CHINA".THE MUSLIM WORLD LEAGUE JOURNAL, 15:18 23.

    ___________________. 1988c. "Psychology Test and Black Police Recruits",LABOR LAW JOURNAL, 39(9):634 636.

    ___________________. 1988d. "Police Quotas", CHICAGO TRIBUNE,9 December,Sec.1, p.26.

    ___________________. 1989. "Psychology Test, Suits and Minority Applicants", THE POLICE JOURNAL,LXll (l):22 30.


    __________________. 1989b. "Chicago Female Police", THE POLICE JOURNAL,LXll (2):136 142.

    __________________. 1990. "Problems of Variance in the Utility of the MMPI in the Selection of Metropolitan Police",THE POLICE JOURNAL,LXlll (2):121 128.

    ___________________. 1991. "Informal Assessment of Special Needs Adults and K W L Plus in Correctional Education". ADULT EDUCATION Connection 4(3):5.
    ___________________. 1991b. "Hispanics and Policing in Chicago and Cook County, Illinois". THE POLICE JOURNAL, LXlV (l):71 75.

    Mathews,M &________. 1992. Bibliotherapy and the Life centered
    curriculum for Offender populations in prison, Yearbook of
    Correctional Education, pp. 61-68.

    ___________________. 1993. "A Theoretical Model for Correctional Education in the U.S.". THE POLICE JOURNAL,LXVI (2):211-219.

    -----------------, et al. 1993. "The Role of a Computer-Managed
    Instructional System's Prescriptive Curriculum in the Basic
    Skills Areas of Math and Reading Scores for Correctional
    Pre-Trial Detainees". THE JOURNAL OF CORRECTIONAL EDUCATION, 44(1):10-19.

    ----------------.1993. "The Therapeutic use of the Essay in
    Corrections", JOURNAL OF CORRECTIONAL EDUCATION,44(2):58-61.

    ----------,et al..1993. "An Education Policy for Large Jail
    Programs:A Case Study". THE JOURNAL OF CORRECTIONAL EDUCATION, 44, (3): 124-133.

    -------------------.1993. "Making Math Easy for the Unique Learner".ADULT & CONTINUING EDUCATION TODAY,XXIII (10):5.

    ------------------.1994. "Non-Standard English and Reading".
    ERIC Clearinghouse on Reading, English and Communication.
    ED 358 438. 13 pp.

    __________________.1994. "The Application of Neurobiological
    Research in Special Education Instruction". Special Issue: Knowledge Production and Educational Change for Democratic Renewal, PART II: Implications for Educational Policy: Transforming Educational Practice. Thresholds in Education,
    20 (2 & 3), 36-42.

    _________________.1995a. "Inmate Opinions Towards Education and Participation in Prison Education Programmes". The Police Journal, LXVII, 39-50.

    _________________.1995b. IACEA Survey of correctional educators.
    Keeping Pace, (Newsletter Illinois Adult and Continuing
    Educators Association,Inc.) 13 (1), Spring, p.15.

    ________________.1995c. Neurobiological Learning and Adult Literacy, ERIC Clearinghouse on Reading & Communication Skills. ED 385 740.

    ________________.1995d. Gang's, Drugs and Violence. Teacher's
    Guide. Chicago: Gangs, Drugs and Violence Prevention
    Consultants.
    ________________.1996a. "Adult Math Learning Difficulty Among Offender Students". The Criminologist 20, (2), 75-80.

    _________________.1996c. "The Effects of Never-married Parenthood on Offender Non-marital Fatherhood". Police Journal LXIX (3), 262-265.

    ________________.1996d. "Adult Learning and Multisensory
    Teaching. ERIC Clearinghouse . ED 393 966. 16p.

    ________________.1996e. Concentrations of Poverty and Urban
    Gangs. The Criminologist, 20 (4), 217-228.

    ________________.1996f. Foundations of the Afrocentric Ancient
    History Curriculum, The Negro Educational Review,
    XLVII (3-4), 214-217.

    ________________.1997. Learning Disabilities, Crime, Delinquency,
    and Special Education Placement. Adolescence , 32 (126), 451-62.
    _______________. 1998. Urban American youth and correctional education.The Criminologist, 22(1), 15-20.


    _____________. 1998a.Ebonics and special education placement. The
    Negro Educational Review, 19 (1-2), 83-86.

    ____________. 1998b.Communication theory and its implication for teaching and offender rehabilitation. The Criminologist,
    22 (3),131-136.
    ___________.1998.Dewey, correctional education and offender habilitation.Police Journal, 59(6), 341-348.

    ___________.2000."Making math easy for the learning disabled
    adolescents: Neurobiology and the use of math
    manipulatives. Review Journal of Philosophy and Social Science, 25 (1&2), 58-68.

    ___________.2000. Neurological Basis Cognition, Emotion and
    Classroom Instruction. Research Journal of Philosophy and
    Social Sciences, 25 (1&2), 39-44.

    ___________.2002. Brain based learning and special education. In Thomas E. Deering (Ed.), Teacher Education (pp.128-167), Anu Books, Shivaji Road, Meerut India (ISBN: 81-85126-91-7).


    ____________.2003. Popular culture, critical pedagogy and the African American Print Media". In James J Van Patten (Ed.) The future of Education Issues & Trends (pp.164-184), Anu Books, Shivaji Road, Meerut India (ISBN: 81-85126-102-7)

    ____________.(2003). Emotion, neurobiological learning and classroom instruction, Research Journal of Philosophy and Social Science,No.1-2, pp.23-34.

    ____________.(2005). Teaching matters: Phonological Brain based teaching methods and reading improvement. Research Journal Philosophy & Social Science, 31 (1-2), 33-46.

    ____________.(2005). Informed Insight: Parental Attitudes Toward Technology. Tech Learning, February. Retrieved 2/1/05 at:
    http://www.techlearning.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=57702734

    ____________.(2005). Dewey and the organization of learning on the World Wide Web. In Midwest Philosophy of Education Society: Proceedings of Midwest Philosophy of Education Society Annual Conferences 2001-2003, (ED.) O. Jagusah, D. Smith, A. Makedon (pp. 565-575). Author House, Bloomington, IN. 47403.

    ____________.(2005). Predator or Victim:The role of correctional education, offender habitation and democracy. In Midwest Philosophy of Education Society: Proceedings of Midwest Philosophy of Education Society Annual Conferences 2001-2003, (ED.) O. Jagusah, D. Smith, A. Makedon (pp. 576-593). Author House, Bloomington, IN. 47403.

    _____________.(2005). Infusing an international curriculum in the Division of Education.Paul Keys (Ed.), Globalization and Education:The University in the Interdependent World of the Twenty-First Century (pp.13-18). Occasional Papers. International Colloquium Governors State University May 2004. University PK., Illinois: Governors State University.

    ______________.(2005). Closing the Gap. Letter to Editor, GDW-G EDTECH, Winter 2004. Retrieved 3/3/05. Http://edtech.texterity.com/article/200411/6/

    _____________.(2006).The Dilemma of School Anti-Harassment Policies and the First Amendment. Journal on Educational Controversy. Retrieved 2/23/2006.
    http://www.wce.wwu.edu?Resources?CEP/eJournal/V001n001/a003.shtml

    _____________.(2006). E-Pedagogy and the Student Social Science Research Community. Review Journal of Philosophy and Social Science, 31, 1&2, 75-104.

    ______________Brain based learning and special education. In Thomas E. Deering (Ed.), Teacher Education (pp.128-167), Anu Books, Shivaji Road, Meerut India (ISBN: 81-85126-91-7)
    _______________Emotional Intelligence and Teaching. Proceedings of the 2004-2005 Midwest Philosophy of Education Society (pp.341-356) ,2007.

    ___________(2007).Ignite Student Learning:Insights from a Neurologist and Classroom Teacher, in the TCRecord , 16 February 2007.

    ____________(2007).Planning for Disaster Education Policy in the Wake of Hurricane Katrina, Multicultural Education,15(2) (2007): 39-42

    Linguistics
    ___________2007. Did the Dravidian Speakers Originate in Africa? BioEssays, 27(5): 497-498.

    ___________2007b. High Levels of Genetic Divergence across Indian Populations. PloS Genetics. Retrieved 4/8/2008 http://www.plosgenetics.

    ____________2008. Can parallel mutation and neutral genome selection explain Eastern African M1 consensus HVS-1 motifs in Indian M Haplogroups. Int J Hum Genet, 13(3): 93-96.
    http://www.ijhg.com/article.asp?issn=0971-6866;year=2007;volume=13;issue=3;spage=93;epage=96;aulast=Winters

    ______________2008b. African millets taken to India by Dravidians. Ann of Bot, http://aob.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/eletters/100/5/903#49

    _______________2008. ARE DRAVIDIANS OF AFRICAN ORIGIN
    http://www.krepublishers.com/02-Journals/IJHG/IJHG-08-0-000-000-2008-Web/IJHG-08-4-317-368-2008-Abst-PDF/IJHG-08-4-325-08-362-Winder-C/IJHG-08-4-325-08-362-Winder-C-Tt.pdf
    ________________Aurignacian Culture:Evidence of Western Exit for Anatomically Modern Humans, South Asian Antropologist, (2008) 8(1) pp.79-81.
    _____________2009. Literacy Existed in the Indus Valley .Science Magazine. E-Letter. (2June 2009) http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/eletters/324/5931/1165

    Archaeogenetics

    ___________2007. Did the Dravidian Speakers Originate in Africa? BioEssays, 27(5): 497-498.

    ___________2007b. High Levels of Genetic Divergence across Indian Populations. PloS Genetics. Retrieved 4/8/2008 http://www.plosgenetics.

    ____________2008a. Can parallel mutation and neutral genome selection explain Eastern African M1 consensus HVS-1 motifs in Indian M Haplogroups. Int J Hum Genet, 13(3): 93-96.
    http://www.ijhg.com/article.asp?issn=0971-6866;year=2007;volume=13;issue=3;spage=93;epage=96;aulast=Winters


    _______________2008b. ARE DRAVIDIANS OF AFRICAN ORIGIN
    http://www.krepublishers.com/02-Journals/IJHG/IJHG-08-0-000-000-2008-Web/IJHG-08-4-317-368-2008-Abst-PDF/IJHG-08-4-325-08-362-Winder-C/IJHG-08-4-325-08-362-Winder-C-Tt.pdf
    ___________.2010. Y-Chromosome evidence of an African origin of Dravidian agriculture. International Journal of Genetics and Molecular Biology, 2(3): 030 – 033. http://www.academicjournals.org/IJGMB/abstracts/abstracts/abstracts2010/Mar/Winters.htm

    _____________2010b. 9bp and the Relationship Between African and Dravidian Speakers. Current Research Journal of Biological Sciences 2(4): 229-231. http://maxwellsci.com/print/crjbs/v2-229-231.pdf


    ______________2010c. The Fulani are not from the Middle East. PNAS .
    http://govst.academia.edu/documents/0174/1497/Fulani.pdf

    ___________.2010d. The Kushite Spread of Haplogroup R1*-M173 from Africa to Eurasia. Current Research Journal of Biological Sciences 2(4): 294-299. http://maxwellsci.com/print/crjbs/v2-294-299.pdf

    ____________.2010e. Paper Advantageous Alleles, Parallel Adaptation, Geographic Location andSickle Cell Anemia among Africans
    Advances in Bioresearch,1(2):69-71. http://www.soeagra.com/abr/vol2/12.pdf

    _______________ 2011a. The Demic Diffussion of the M-Haplogroup from East Africa to the Senegambia. BioResearch Bulletin ,4:51-54.
    Retrieved 9/23/2011 at http://bioresonline.com/Documents/AA000168.pdf


    ____________.2011b. Munda Speakers are the Oldest Population in India. The Internet Journal of Biological Anthropology. 4 (2) Retrieved 9/21/2011 http://www.ispub.com/journal/the_internet_journal_of_biological_anthropology/volume_4_number_2_61/article/munda-speakers-are-the-oldest-population-in-india.html

    _______________.2011c. Is Native American R Y-Chromosome of African Origin? Current Research Journal of Biological Sciences. Vol. 3 , (6): 555-558. http://maxwellsci.com/print/crjbs/v3-555-558.pdf


    _______________,2011d. Olmec (Mande) Loan Words in the Mayan, Mixe-Zoque and Taino Languages . Current Research Journal of Social Science Year: 2011 Vol: 3 Issue: 3 Pages/record No.: 152-179. http://maxwellsci.com/print/crjss/v3-152-179.pdf

    ______________.2011e. The Ancient Indian Populations Were Not Homogenous . Current Research Journal of Biological Sciences Year: 2011 Vol: 3 Issue: 2 Pages/record No.: 129-131

    ______________.2012. Comparison of Fulani and Nadar HLA. Indian J Hum Genet [serial online] 2012 [cited 2012 Jul 1];18:137-8. Available from: http://www.ijhg.com/text.asp?2012/18/1/137/96686

    _______________. 2011.The Gibraltar Out of Africa Exit for Anatomically Modern Humans. WebmedCentral BIOLOGY. http://www.webmedcentral.com/article_view/2311
    ________________.2012. Haplogroup L3 (M,N) probably spread across Africa before the Out of Africa event. http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/367/1590/770/reply

    _________________.2011. Haplogroup M23 is probably not Asian in origin. Hg M23 is of Africa. http://www.webmedcentral.com/article_view/2237
    _____________A Sub-Saharan Origin for European Farmers http://olmec98.net/BlkFarmers.pdf

    _____________There has been a Continous Indigenous Sub-Saharan Presence in North Africe for 30ky http://olmec98.net/ContinuousEurope.pdf

    __________________.2012. First Europran Farmers were Sub-Saharan Africans http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/279/1730/884.abstract/reply
As you can see I have written all these articles, while Bernard has written only ten (10) articles by himself. That’s why he is so jealous of my work. Shame on you Bernard.
I have also made tremendous contributions to Educational Psychology and Curriculum. I began the field of Emotion and Teaching, this is my number one paper downloaded at Academia edu. In addition I wrote the Social Studies Standards from the Chicago Public Schools. I have a number of books I have wrote in this area.

Clyde Winters, Brain Based Learning and Special Education, Shivaji Road, Meerut (India): Anu Books,2004.
_____________, Afrocentrism: Myth or Science. http://www,lulu.com, 2005.
_____________, Atlantis in Mexico. http://www,lulu.com, 2005.
_____________, Teaching Ancient Afrocentric History. http://www,lulu.com, 2005.

Below are some of the publications I contributed work too in the area of Social Studies Standards.
Winters, Clyde, Career Development Activies for Language Arts and Social Studies (6th Grade Social Studies Lessons). Chicago:Chicago Public Schools, 1998.
_____________, Structured Curriculum Handbook A Resource Guide for Grade Six Social Science First Semester. Chicago: Chicago Public Schools, 1999.
______________, (Program of Study Committee).Expecting More: Program of Study Grades 9& 10 Social Science. Chicago: Chicago Board of Education, 1997.
______________, (Program of Study Committee).Expecting More: Program of Study Grades 6, 7& 8 Social Science. Chicago: Chicago Board of Education, 1998.
In addition I contributed to the development of the revised editions of Allan A. Glatthorn, Floyd Boschee, Bruce M. Whitehead, Curriculum leadership: strategies for development and implementation and ; R. G. Owens and T.C. Valesky , ][bOrganizational Behavior in Education: Leadership and School Reform[/b] (10th Edition) (See: Prefaces).
Also. I just completed being a reader and editor of Pearsons up-coming on-line course in Educational Administration.
You can see scholars produce knowledge that is beneficial to other researchers. They don’t just produce the work of others.
LOL. Bernard I have not put all of my articles and papers on Academia .edu. I am too lazy. Below is a list of some of my articles.
  • Articles
    Clyde A. Winters,"Contemporary Trends in Traditional Chinese Islamic Education". INTERNATIONAL REVIEW OF EDUCATION, 30(4):475 479.
    ___________________. 1987. "Koranic Education and Militant Islam in Nigeria". INTERNATIONAL REVIEW OF EDUCATION, 33(2):171 185.
    ___________________. 1987b. "Traditional and contemporary Trends in Chinese Muslim Education",MUSLIM EDUCATION QUARTERLY ,4(4):52 65.
    ___________________. 1988. "Contemporary Trends in Chinese Muslim Education". MUSLIM EDUCATION QUARTERLY,4(4):52 65.

    ___________________. 1988b. "ISLAMIZATION AND EDUCATION IN MUSLIM CHINA".THE MUSLIM WORLD LEAGUE JOURNAL, 15:18 23.

    ___________________. 1988c. "Psychology Test and Black Police Recruits",LABOR LAW JOURNAL, 39(9):634 636.

    ___________________. 1988d. "Police Quotas", CHICAGO TRIBUNE,9 December,Sec.1, p.26.

    ___________________. 1989. "Psychology Test, Suits and Minority Applicants", THE POLICE JOURNAL,LXll (l):22 30.


    __________________. 1989b. "Chicago Female Police", THE POLICE JOURNAL,LXll (2):136 142.

    __________________. 1990. "Problems of Variance in the Utility of the MMPI in the Selection of Metropolitan Police",THE POLICE JOURNAL,LXlll (2):121 128.

    ___________________. 1991. "Informal Assessment of Special Needs Adults and K W L Plus in Correctional Education". ADULT EDUCATION Connection 4(3):5.
    ___________________. 1991b. "Hispanics and Policing in Chicago and Cook County, Illinois". THE POLICE JOURNAL, LXlV (l):71 75.

    Mathews,M &________. 1992. Bibliotherapy and the Life centered
    curriculum for Offender populations in prison, Yearbook of
    Correctional Education, pp. 61-68.

    ___________________. 1993. "A Theoretical Model for Correctional Education in the U.S.". THE POLICE JOURNAL,LXVI (2):211-219.

    -----------------, et al. 1993. "The Role of a Computer-Managed
    Instructional System's Prescriptive Curriculum in the Basic
    Skills Areas of Math and Reading Scores for Correctional
    Pre-Trial Detainees". THE JOURNAL OF CORRECTIONAL EDUCATION, 44(1):10-19.

    ----------------.1993. "The Therapeutic use of the Essay in
    Corrections", JOURNAL OF CORRECTIONAL EDUCATION,44(2):58-61.

    ----------,et al..1993. "An Education Policy for Large Jail
    Programs:A Case Study". THE JOURNAL OF CORRECTIONAL EDUCATION, 44, (3): 124-133.

    -------------------.1993. "Making Math Easy for the Unique Learner".ADULT & CONTINUING EDUCATION TODAY,XXIII (10):5.

    ------------------.1994. "Non-Standard English and Reading".
    ERIC Clearinghouse on Reading, English and Communication.
    ED 358 438. 13 pp.

    __________________.1994. "The Application of Neurobiological
    Research in Special Education Instruction". Special Issue: Knowledge Production and Educational Change for Democratic Renewal, PART II: Implications for Educational Policy: Transforming Educational Practice. Thresholds in Education,
    20 (2 & 3), 36-42.

    _________________.1995a. "Inmate Opinions Towards Education and Participation in Prison Education Programmes". The Police Journal, LXVII, 39-50.

    _________________.1995b. IACEA Survey of correctional educators.
    Keeping Pace, (Newsletter Illinois Adult and Continuing
    Educators Association,Inc.) 13 (1), Spring, p.15.

    ________________.1995c. Neurobiological Learning and Adult Literacy, ERIC Clearinghouse on Reading & Communication Skills. ED 385 740.

    ________________.1995d. Gang's, Drugs and Violence. Teacher's
    Guide. Chicago: Gangs, Drugs and Violence Prevention
    Consultants.
    ________________.1996a. "Adult Math Learning Difficulty Among Offender Students". The Criminologist 20, (2), 75-80.

    _________________.1996c. "The Effects of Never-married Parenthood on Offender Non-marital Fatherhood". Police Journal LXIX (3), 262-265.

    ________________.1996d. "Adult Learning and Multisensory
    Teaching. ERIC Clearinghouse . ED 393 966. 16p.

    ________________.1996e. Concentrations of Poverty and Urban
    Gangs. The Criminologist, 20 (4), 217-228.

    ________________.1996f. Foundations of the Afrocentric Ancient
    History Curriculum, The Negro Educational Review,
    XLVII (3-4), 214-217.

    ________________.1997. Learning Disabilities, Crime, Delinquency,
    and Special Education Placement. Adolescence , 32 (126), 451-62.
    _______________. 1998. Urban American youth and correctional education.The Criminologist, 22(1), 15-20.


    _____________. 1998a.Ebonics and special education placement. The
    Negro Educational Review, 19 (1-2), 83-86.

    ____________. 1998b.Communication theory and its implication for teaching and offender rehabilitation. The Criminologist,
    22 (3),131-136.
    ___________.1998.Dewey, correctional education and offender habilitation.Police Journal, 59(6), 341-348.

    ___________.2000."Making math easy for the learning disabled
    adolescents: Neurobiology and the use of math
    manipulatives. Review Journal of Philosophy and Social Science, 25 (1&2), 58-68.

    ___________.2000. Neurological Basis Cognition, Emotion and
    Classroom Instruction. Research Journal of Philosophy and
    Social Sciences, 25 (1&2), 39-44.

    ___________.2002. Brain based learning and special education. In Thomas E. Deering (Ed.), Teacher Education (pp.128-167), Anu Books, Shivaji Road, Meerut India (ISBN: 81-85126-91-7).


    ____________.2003. Popular culture, critical pedagogy and the African American Print Media". In James J Van Patten (Ed.) The future of Education Issues & Trends (pp.164-184), Anu Books, Shivaji Road, Meerut India (ISBN: 81-85126-102-7)

    ____________.(2003). Emotion, neurobiological learning and classroom instruction, Research Journal of Philosophy and Social Science,No.1-2, pp.23-34.

    ____________.(2005). Teaching matters: Phonological Brain based teaching methods and reading improvement. Research Journal Philosophy & Social Science, 31 (1-2), 33-46.

    ____________.(2005). Informed Insight: Parental Attitudes Toward Technology. Tech Learning, February. Retrieved 2/1/05 at:
    http://www.techlearning.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=57702734

    ____________.(2005). Dewey and the organization of learning on the World Wide Web. In Midwest Philosophy of Education Society: Proceedings of Midwest Philosophy of Education Society Annual Conferences 2001-2003, (ED.) O. Jagusah, D. Smith, A. Makedon (pp. 565-575). Author House, Bloomington, IN. 47403.

    ____________.(2005). Predator or Victim:The role of correctional education, offender habitation and democracy. In Midwest Philosophy of Education Society: Proceedings of Midwest Philosophy of Education Society Annual Conferences 2001-2003, (ED.) O. Jagusah, D. Smith, A. Makedon (pp. 576-593). Author House, Bloomington, IN. 47403.

    _____________.(2005). Infusing an international curriculum in the Division of Education.Paul Keys (Ed.), Globalization and Education:The University in the Interdependent World of the Twenty-First Century (pp.13-18). Occasional Papers. International Colloquium Governors State University May 2004. University PK., Illinois: Governors State University.

    ______________.(2005). Closing the Gap. Letter to Editor, GDW-G EDTECH, Winter 2004. Retrieved 3/3/05. Http://edtech.texterity.com/article/200411/6/

    _____________.(2006).The Dilemma of School Anti-Harassment Policies and the First Amendment. Journal on Educational Controversy. Retrieved 2/23/2006.
    http://www.wce.wwu.edu?Resources?CEP/eJournal/V001n001/a003.shtml

    _____________.(2006). E-Pedagogy and the Student Social Science Research Community. Review Journal of Philosophy and Social Science, 31, 1&2, 75-104.

    ______________Brain based learning and special education. In Thomas E. Deering (Ed.), Teacher Education (pp.128-167), Anu Books, Shivaji Road, Meerut India (ISBN: 81-85126-91-7)
    _______________Emotional Intelligence and Teaching. Proceedings of the 2004-2005 Midwest Philosophy of Education Society (pp.341-356) ,2007.

    ___________(2007).Ignite Student Learning:Insights from a Neurologist and Classroom Teacher, in the TCRecord , 16 February 2007.

    ____________(2007).Planning for Disaster Education Policy in the Wake of Hurricane Katrina, Multicultural Education,15(2) (2007): 39-42

    Linguistics
    ___________2007. Did the Dravidian Speakers Originate in Africa? BioEssays, 27(5): 497-498.

    ___________2007b. High Levels of Genetic Divergence across Indian Populations. PloS Genetics. Retrieved 4/8/2008 http://www.plosgenetics.

    ____________2008. Can parallel mutation and neutral genome selection explain Eastern African M1 consensus HVS-1 motifs in Indian M Haplogroups. Int J Hum Genet, 13(3): 93-96.
    http://www.ijhg.com/article.asp?issn=0971-6866;year=2007;volume=13;issue=3;spage=93;epage=96;aulast=Winters

    ______________2008b. African millets taken to India by Dravidians. Ann of Bot, http://aob.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/eletters/100/5/903#49

    _______________2008. ARE DRAVIDIANS OF AFRICAN ORIGIN
    http://www.krepublishers.com/02-Journals/IJHG/IJHG-08-0-000-000-2008-Web/IJHG-08-4-317-368-2008-Abst-PDF/IJHG-08-4-325-08-362-Winder-C/IJHG-08-4-325-08-362-Winder-C-Tt.pdf
    ________________Aurignacian Culture:Evidence of Western Exit for Anatomically Modern Humans, South Asian Antropologist, (2008) 8(1) pp.79-81.
    _____________2009. Literacy Existed in the Indus Valley .Science Magazine. E-Letter. (2June 2009) http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/eletters/324/5931/1165

    Archaeogenetics

    ___________2007. Did the Dravidian Speakers Originate in Africa? BioEssays, 27(5): 497-498.

    ___________2007b. High Levels of Genetic Divergence across Indian Populations. PloS Genetics. Retrieved 4/8/2008 http://www.plosgenetics.

    ____________2008a. Can parallel mutation and neutral genome selection explain Eastern African M1 consensus HVS-1 motifs in Indian M Haplogroups. Int J Hum Genet, 13(3): 93-96.
    http://www.ijhg.com/article.asp?issn=0971-6866;year=2007;volume=13;issue=3;spage=93;epage=96;aulast=Winters


    _______________2008b. ARE DRAVIDIANS OF AFRICAN ORIGIN
    http://www.krepublishers.com/02-Journals/IJHG/IJHG-08-0-000-000-2008-Web/IJHG-08-4-317-368-2008-Abst-PDF/IJHG-08-4-325-08-362-Winder-C/IJHG-08-4-325-08-362-Winder-C-Tt.pdf
    ___________.2010. Y-Chromosome evidence of an African origin of Dravidian agriculture. International Journal of Genetics and Molecular Biology, 2(3): 030 – 033. http://www.academicjournals.org/IJGMB/abstracts/abstracts/abstracts2010/Mar/Winters.htm

    _____________2010b. 9bp and the Relationship Between African and Dravidian Speakers. Current Research Journal of Biological Sciences 2(4): 229-231. http://maxwellsci.com/print/crjbs/v2-229-231.pdf


    ______________2010c. The Fulani are not from the Middle East. PNAS .
    http://govst.academia.edu/documents/0174/1497/Fulani.pdf

    ___________.2010d. The Kushite Spread of Haplogroup R1*-M173 from Africa to Eurasia. Current Research Journal of Biological Sciences 2(4): 294-299. http://maxwellsci.com/print/crjbs/v2-294-299.pdf

    ____________.2010e. Paper Advantageous Alleles, Parallel Adaptation, Geographic Location and Sickle Cell Anemia among Africans Advances in Bioresearch,1(2):69-71. http://www.soeagra.com/abr/vol2/12.pdf

    _______________ 2011a. The Demic Diffussion of the M-Haplogroup from East Africa to the Senegambia. BioResearch Bulletin ,4:51-54.
    Retrieved 9/23/2011 at http://bioresonline.com/Documents/AA000168.pdf


    ____________.2011b. Munda Speakers are the Oldest Population in India. The Internet Journal of Biological Anthropology. 4 (2) Retrieved 9/21/2011 http://www.ispub.com/journal/the_internet_journal_of_biological_anthropology/volume_4_number_2_61/article/munda-speakers-are-the-oldest-population-in-india.html

    _______________.2011c. Is Native American R Y-Chromosome of African Origin? Current Research Journal of Biological Sciences. Vol. 3 , (6): 555-558. http://maxwellsci.com/print/crjbs/v3-555-558.pdf


    _______________,2011d. Olmec (Mande) Loan Words in the Mayan, Mixe-Zoque and Taino Languages . Current Research Journal of Social Science Year: 2011 Vol: 3 Issue: 3 Pages/record No.: 152-179. http://maxwellsci.com/print/crjss/v3-152-179.pdf

    ______________.2011e. The Ancient Indian Populations Were Not Homogenous . Current Research Journal of Biological Sciences Year: 2011 Vol: 3 Issue: 2 Pages/record No.: 129-131

    ______________.2012. Comparison of Fulani and Nadar HLA. Indian J Hum Genet [serial online] 2012 [cited 2012 Jul 1];18:137-8. Available from: http://www.ijhg.com/text.asp?2012/18/1/137/96686

    _______________. 2011.The Gibraltar Out of Africa Exit for Anatomically Modern Humans. WebmedCentral BIOLOGY. http://www.webmedcentral.com/article_view/2311
    ________________.2012. Haplogroup L3 (M,N) probably spread across Africa before the Out of Africa event. http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/367/1590/770/reply

    _________________.2011. Haplogroup M23 is probably not Asian in origin. Hg M23 is of Africa. http://www.webmedcentral.com/article_view/2237
    _____________A Sub-Saharan Origin for European Farmers http://olmec98.net/BlkFarmers.pdf

    _____________There has been a Continous Indigenous Sub-Saharan Presence in North Africe for 30ky http://olmec98.net/ContinuousEurope.pdf

    __________________.2012. First Europran Farmers were Sub-Saharan Africans http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/279/1730/884.abstract/reply
As you can see I have written all these articles, while Bernard has written only ten (10) articles by himself. That’s why he is so jealous of my work. Shame on you Bernard. Get a life.


I have also made tremendous contributions to Educational Psychology and Curriculum.

I began the field of Emotion and Teaching, this is my number one paper downloaded at Academia edu. In addition I wrote the Social Studies Standards from the Chicago Public Schools. I have a number of books I have wrote in this area.[/list]

Clyde Winters, Brain Based Learning and Special Education, Shivaji Road, Meerut (India): Anu Books,2004.

_____________, Afrocentrism: Myth or Science. http://www,lulu.com, 2005.

_____________, Atlantis in Mexico. http://www,lulu.com, 2005.

_____________, Teaching Ancient Afrocentric History. http://www,lulu.com, 2005.
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Below are some of the publications I contributed work too in the area of Social Studies Standards.
  • Winters, Clyde, Career Development Activies for Language Arts and Social Studies (6th Grade Social Studies Lessons). Chicago:Chicago Public Schools, 1998.

    _____________, Structured Curriculum Handbook A Resource Guide for Grade Six Social Science First Semester. Chicago: Chicago Public Schools, 1999.

    ______________, (Program of Study Committee).Expecting More: Program of Study Grades 9& 10 Social Science. Chicago: Chicago Board of Education, 1997.

    ______________, (Program of Study Committee).Expecting More: Program of Study Grades 6, 7& 8 Social Science. Chicago: Chicago Board of Education, 1998.

In addition I contributed to the development of the revised editions of Allan A. Glatthorn, Floyd Boschee, Bruce M. Whitehead, Curriculum leadership: strategies for development and implementation and ; R. G. Owens and T.C. Valesky , Organizational Behavior in Education: Leadership and School Reform (10th Edition) (See: Prefaces).

Also. I just completed being a reader and editor of Pearsons up-coming on-line course in Educational Administration.

You can see scholars produce knowledge that is beneficial to other researchers. They don’t just produce the work of others.

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[An examination of your articles indicate that 17/24 of your articles are attacking Afrocentrism. That is 71% of your work.
This makes it clear your only claim to fame is attacking Ivan van Sertima. You have rode the back of Afrocentrism. You are trying to regain some relevancy attacking my work.
But as I said I do original research and Bernard will not get away with spreading lies about my work without a fight. He is a pathetic crank.

Real scholars makes a name for themself producing original research--all Bernard writes are attacks on Ivan van Sertima's work which was published in the 1970's. Knowledge about the origin of the Olmecs has advanced since then.

The fact remains the Olmecs do not appear in Mexico until after 1200BC.

There is no secret about the Olmecs. Eurocentrists know that the Olmec do not appear in Mexico until after 1200BC.


Some researchers claim that I am wrongly ruling out an “indigenous revolution” for the origin of the Olmec civilization. This is their opinion—the archaeological evidence, not I, suggest that the founders of the Olmec civilization were not “indigenous” people.


In the Olmec World: Ritual and Rulership (1995), (ed.) by Carolyn Tate, on page 65, we find the following statement”Olmec culture as far as we know seems to have no antecedents; no material models remain for its monumental constructions and sculptures and the ritual acts captured in small objects”.

M. Coe, writing in Regional Perspective on the Olmecs (1989), (ed.) by Sharer and Grove, observed that “ on the contrary, the evidence although negative, is that the Olmec style of art, and Olmec engineering ability suddenly appeared full fledged from about 1200 BC”.

Mary E. Pye, writing in Olmec Archaeology in Mesoamerica (2000), (ed.) by J.E. Cark and M.E. Pye,makes it clear after a discussion of the pre-Olmec civilizations of the Mokaya tradition, that these cultures contributed nothing to the rise of the Olmec culture. Pye wrote “The Mokaya appear to have gradually come under Olmec influence during Cherla times and to have adopted Olmec ways. We use the term olmecization to describe the processes whereby independent groups tried to become Olmecs, or to become like the Olmecs” (p.234). Pye makes it clear that it was around 1200 BC that Olmec civilization rose in Mesoamerica. She continues “Much of the current debate about the Olmecs concerns the traditional mother culture view. For us this is still a primary issue. Our data from the Pacific coast show that the mother culture idea is still viable in terms of cultural practices. The early Olmecs created the first civilization in Mesoamerica; they had no peers, only contemporaries” (pp.245-46).

Richard A. Diehl The Olmecs:America’s first civilization (2005), wrote “ The identity of these first Olmecs remains a mystery. Some scholars believe they were Mokaya migrants from the Pacific coast of Chiapas who brought improved maize strains and incipient social stratification with them. Others propose that Olmec culture evolved among the local indigenous populations without significant external stimulus. I prefer the latter position, but freely admit that we lack sufficient information on the period before 1500 BC to resolve the issue” (p.25).

Pool (17-18), in Olmec Archaeology and early MesoAmerica (2007), argues that continuity exist between the Olmec and pre-Olmec cultures in Mexico “[even]though Coe now appears to favor an autochthonous origin for Olmec culture (Diehl & Coe 1995:150), he long held that the Olmec traits appeared at San Lorenzo rather suddenly during the Chicharras phase (ca 1450-1408 BC) (Coe 1970a:25,32; Coe and Diehl 1980a:150)”.

Pool admits (p.95), that “this conclusion contrasts markedly with that of the excavators of San Lorenzo, who reported dramatic change in ceramic type and argued on this basis for a foreign incursion of Olmecs into Olman (Coe and Diehl 1980a, p.150).”


The evidence presented by these authors make it clear that the Olmec introduced a unique culture to Mesoamerica that was adopted by the Mesoamericans. As these statements make it clear that was no continuity between pre-Olmec cultures and the Olmec culture.


Prior to the Olmec the Pre-Classic cultures were founded by Blacks. Bernard you will never be able to prove that the Olmecs were not Mande speakers from Africa. [/QB]

As I predicted, the air is filled with spam distracting from the fact that Winters' contributions to refereed journals are in forms tat are NOT refereed. The question at hand is not their content but the lying about the ability to publish referred articles in quality refereed journals as opposed to vanity journals. We will eventually get to the misquotes represented here. Also the appropriate maxim here is "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." You are the claimant- not me. It is Clyde's job to prove not just to me or his acolytes but to Olmec scholars and others that he is right.
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Anyway, thanks for the info. So it turns out his only contributions to genuine peer-review journals are just 2 or 3 line comments he submitted, not articles (and yes, they don't peer-review the commentary attached to an article). All his other stuff is open access, or from obscure/fringe/pseudo-science journals like Sertima's, or the Mankind Quarterly (a white supremacist/neo-Nazi journal).

No, His "Comments" and "responses" are 2-3 pages and as usual have lots of footnotes. The problem as we know is that his footnotes and citations are very unreliable (more to come later), but since that are not peer reviewed they are not caught.
Oh Great Deceiver, LOL, you are a big joke. On the one hand, you claim my BioEssay Letter was not peer reviewed, yet Toomas Kivisild et al responded to my paper. They responded to my paper because Toomas Kivisild had published two papers admitting that hg M1, was found among Indians and a figure documenting the same fact.

M1 in India it is found in India. This supports the recent spread of the Dravidians in India, which is supported by archaeology and linguistics.

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In the Kivisild et al 1999 study of Indian mtDNA around 15% carried haplogroup M1. See:

http://evolutsioon.ut.ee/publications/Kivisild1999b.pdf




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The Eastern African hg M1, HVS-I signature motif is 16,129, 16,189, 16,223, 16,249, and 16,311. In the Kivisild et al figure below we see the same motif. The mutations are shown less 16,000.

Here you can clearly see: mutations 129,189, 223 and 311, in Indian M1.

As you can see I supported my proposition that M1 existed in India. That is why my paper was published in BioEssay. If the Letter I wrote was not peer reviewed Kivisild et al would not have known I had discovered their deception.

Kivisild did not like being discovered spreading falsehoods about Dravidian people, to statisfy the Hindutva (Hindu Nationalist) agenda to make it appear Indo-Aryan speakers were always inhabiters of India, when they only arrived in India, around 1000 and 800 BC.

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More spam to distract from your claims of refereed publications in quality refereed journals. Kivisild, himself wrote you extensively in 2008 pointing out your error and your misunderstanding of basic genetics and misuse of his 1999 paper. This, too will be dealt with eventually, but this thread has to do with your false claims.
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Quetzalcoatl what was the current anthropology article you wrote? Was it one I linked on Sertima?

I have 3 in Current Anthropology:

G. Haslip-Viera, B. R. Ortiz de Montellano and W. Barbour, "Robbing Native American Cultures: Van Sertima and the Olmecs," Current Anthropology, 38 (#3): 419-441 (1997).

C.H. Browner, B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, and A.J. Rubel, "A Methodology for Cross-Cultural Ethnomedical Research," Current Anthropology, 29, 681-702 (1988)

C.H. Browner, B. R. Ortiz de Montellano, and A. J. Rubel, "Reply to H. R. Fabrega, 'On Research Methdology for Ethnomedicine", Current Anthropology, 30: 347-348 (1989).

LOL. Let's look at these papers. One was an attack on Ivan, the next a research article, and the third a Letter to the Editor.

Oh Great Deceiver, You have a lot of nerve. Here you are criticizing my Letter to BioEssay, as not being peer reviewed, yet you admit you published a Letter, in CA, and claim it as "peer reviewed.

LOL. You are a liar and fraud Oh Great Deceiver.

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This post in dealt with a question about what I had published in Current Anthropology. Not what was refereed or not.
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Let’s look at the publications of Bernard. He list 10 articles he wrote by himself, and the rest co-authored. Knowing that Bernard is a fraud we will not discuss the so-called articles he co-authored. I would bet 9/10, they were wrote by his students and he just attached his name to their work. There is nothing wrong with this it’s a good way to get your student’s work published. Below are the papers:
  • 1. Authored

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "El Conocimiento de la Naturaleza Entre Los Aztecas. Taxonomia," in A. Lopez Austin, Ed., La Historia General de la Medicina (Mexico: Academia Nacional de la Medicina, UNAM, 1984), Vol. 1, 115-132.

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Los Principios Rectores de la Medicina Entre Los Mexicas. Etiologia, Diagnostico y Pronostico," in A. Lopez Austin, Ed., La Historia General de la Medicina (Mexico: Academia Nacional de la Medicina, UNAM, 1984), Vol. 1, 159-170.

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Aztec Medicinal Herbs: Evaluation of Therapeutic Effectiveness," in N.L. Etkin, Ed., Plants Used in Indigenous Medicines: A Bio-cultural Approach (NY: Redgrave, 1986). pp. 113-127.

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Aztec Sources of Some Mexican Folk Medicine," in R. Steiner, Ed., Folk Medicine: The Art and the Science (Washington, DC: American Chemical Society, 1986). pp. 1-22.

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Syncretism in Mexican and Mexican-American Folk Medicine," 1992 Lecture Series. Working Papers #5 (College Park, MD: Dept. of Spanish and Portuguese, University of Maryland, 1989).

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "The Body, Ethics and the Cosmos: Aztec Physiology," in D. Carrasco, ed. The Imagination of Matter: Religion and Ecology in Mesoamerican Traditions (Oxford: BAR International Series 515, 1989), 191-210.

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Mesoamerican Religious Tradition and Medicine," in L.E. Sullivan, Ed., Healing and Restoring: Health and Medicine in the World's Religious Traditions (NY: Macmillan, 1989) pp. 359-394.

    B. R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Multiculturalism, Cult Archaeology, and Pseudoscience," in F. Harrold and R. Eve, eds., Scientific Creationism and Cult Archaeology, 135-151. Ames: University of Iowa Press, 1995.

    "Afrocentric Pseudoscience: The Miseducation of African-Americans," in N. Levitt and P. Gross, eds., The Flight from Science and Reason. Baltimore: Johns Hopkins Press. 1996 .

    “Black Warrior Dynasts: L’Afrocentrisme et le Nouveau Monde,” In Fauvelle, F.-X., Chretien, J.-P., Perrot, C.-H. (eds.). Afrocentrismes. L’histoire des Africains entre Égypte et Amérique, 249-270 Paris: Karthala (2000). Revised publish in English ------, Mary Lefkowitz , ed. 200?
Of these papers 40% are attacks on Ivan. As I said your career has been on the back of Afrocentrism, especially Ivan van Sertima.
Let’s look at the publications of Bernard. He list 10 articles he wrote by himself, and the rest co-authored. Knowing that Bernard is a fraud we will not discuss the so-called articles he co-authored. I would bet 9/10, they were wrote by his students and he just attached his name to their work. There is nothing wrong with this it’s a good way to get your student’s work published. Below are the papers:
  • 1. Authored

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "El Conocimiento de la Naturaleza Entre Los Aztecas. Taxonomia," in A. Lopez Austin, Ed., La Historia General de la Medicina (Mexico: Academia Nacional de la Medicina, UNAM, 1984), Vol. 1, 115-132.

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Los Principios Rectores de la Medicina Entre Los Mexicas. Etiologia, Diagnostico y Pronostico," in A. Lopez Austin, Ed., La Historia General de la Medicina (Mexico: Academia Nacional de la Medicina, UNAM, 1984), Vol. 1, 159-170.

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Aztec Medicinal Herbs: Evaluation of Therapeutic Effectiveness," in N.L. Etkin, Ed., Plants Used in Indigenous Medicines: A Bio-cultural Approach (NY: Redgrave, 1986). pp. 113-127.

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Aztec Sources of Some Mexican Folk Medicine," in R. Steiner, Ed., Folk Medicine: The Art and the Science (Washington, DC: American Chemical Society, 1986). pp. 1-22.

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Syncretism in Mexican and Mexican-American Folk Medicine," 1992 Lecture Series. Working Papers #5 (College Park, MD: Dept. of Spanish and Portuguese, University of Maryland, 1989).

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "The Body, Ethics and the Cosmos: Aztec Physiology," in D. Carrasco, ed. The Imagination of Matter: Religion and Ecology in Mesoamerican Traditions (Oxford: BAR International Series 515, 1989), 191-210.

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Mesoamerican Religious Tradition and Medicine," in L.E. Sullivan, Ed., Healing and Restoring: Health and Medicine in the World's Religious Traditions (NY: Macmillan, 1989) pp. 359-394.

    B. R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Multiculturalism, Cult Archaeology, and Pseudoscience," in F. Harrold and R. Eve, eds., Scientific Creationism and Cult Archaeology, 135-151. Ames: University of Iowa Press, 1995.

    "Afrocentric Pseudoscience: The Miseducation of African-Americans," in N. Levitt and P. Gross, eds., The Flight from Science and Reason. Baltimore: Johns Hopkins Press. 1996 .

    “Black Warrior Dynasts: L’Afrocentrisme et le Nouveau Monde,” In Fauvelle, F.-X., Chretien, J.-P., Perrot, C.-H. (eds.). Afrocentrismes. L’histoire des Africains entre Égypte et Amérique, 249-270 Paris: Karthala (2000). Revised publish in English ------, Mary Lefkowitz , ed. 200?

Of these papers 40% are attacks on Ivan. As I said your career has been on the back of Afrocentrism, especially Ivan van Sertima.

Poor Clyde- desperately using spam to distract from his false claims of refereed publications in quality refereed journals :-(.
Liars figure and figures lie. He argues that I have 10 solo publications and mixes refereed journal articles and chapters in books to get there. Actually there are 32 and-more importantly - he omits my book published by Rutgers University Press and translated to Spanish. Something he will never attain. Of the 32 papers and chapters ONE (the French volume) has to do with Van Sertima. That is 3% not 40%. Five of 32 have to do with Afrocentric science teaching, i.e. The Portland Essays And Hunter Adams.

What is even more amusing is his claim to exclude co-authored papers because they "were written with my students" 1) Practically all the articles in scientific journals are coauthored with students, but the credit goest to the major professor. Clyde would be excluding a lot of Nobel Prize winners by this criteria.

2) ONE of my co-authored refereed papers has a student (Villaruel- who got her PhD in Nursing not anthropology), ONE Judy Davidson was a PhD student at UCLA not my university and ONE Michael Heinrich was once my student but our Annual Review in Pharmacology and Toxicology article (which Clyde will also never attain) was written when he was Chair of the Pharmacognosy Department, University College, London. Another co-author Eloy Rodriguez is James Perkins Professor of Environmental Studies at Cornell University. Look him up in Wikipedia.
3) what is also amusing is that by excluding co-authored papers, Clyde excludes the papers on Van Sertima that he complains about :-). My co-authors there are not my students, Gabriel Haslip-Viera, a Puerto-Rican is Professor and Chair of the Department of Sociology at City College of New York, Warren Barbour, an African-American archaeologist specializing on Mesoamerica, is Professor of Anthropology at SUNY , Buffalo. BTW all of these Universities are more prestigious than Governors State University and they all are Full Professors.

Books

Ancient and Modern Medical Practices in Mesoamerica. Greeley, CO: Univ. of Northern Colorado.

Translator with T. Ortiz de Montellano of Alfredo López Austin, Human Body and Ideology. Aztec Physiological Concepts (Salt Lake City: University of Utah Press, 1988) 2 vol.

Aztec Medicine, Health, and Nutrition (New Brunswick: University of Rutgers Press 1990).


Chapters
B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "El Conocimiento de la Naturaleza Entre Los Aztecas. Taxonomia," in A. Lopez Austin, Ed., La Historia General de la Medicina (Mexico: Academia Nacional de la Medicina, UNAM, 1984), Vol. 1, 115-132.

B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Los Principios Rectores de la Medicina Entre Los Mexicas. Etiologia, Diagnostico y Pronostico," in A. Lopez Austin, Ed., La Historia General de la Medicina (Mexico: Academia Nacional de la Medicina, UNAM, 1984), Vol. 1, 159-170.

B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Aztec Medicinal Herbs: Evaluation of Therapeutic Effectiveness," in N.L. Etkin, Ed., Plants Used in Indigenous Medicines: A Bio-cultural Approach (NY: Redgrave, 1986). pp. 113-127.

B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Aztec Sources of Some Mexican Folk Medicine," in R. Steiner, Ed., Folk Medicine: The Art and the Science (Washington, DC: American Chemical Society, 1986). pp. 1-22.

B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Syncretism in Mexican and Mexican-American Folk Medicine," 1992 Lecture Series. Working Papers #5 (College Park, MD: Dept. of Spanish and Portuguese, University of Maryland, 1989).

B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "The Body, Ethics and the Cosmos: Aztec Physiology," in D. Carrasco, ed. The Imagination of Matter: Religion and Ecology in Mesoamerican Traditions (Oxford: BAR International Series 515, 1989), 191-210.

B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Mesoamerican Religious Tradition and Medicine," in L.E. Sullivan, Ed., Healing and Restoring: Health and Medicine in the World's Religious Traditions (NY: Macmillan, 1989) pp. 359-394.

B. R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Multiculturalism, Cult Archaeology, and Pseudoscience," in F. Harrold and R. Eve, eds., Scientific Creationism and Cult Archaeology, 135-151. Ames: University of Iowa Press, 1995.

"Afrocentric Pseudoscience: The Miseducation of African-Americans," in N. Levitt and P. Gross, eds., The Flight from Science and Reason. Baltimore: Johns Hopkins Press. 1996 .

“Black Warrior Dynasts: L’Afrocentrisme et le Nouveau Monde,” In Fauvelle, F.-X., Chretien, J.-P., Perrot, C.-H. (eds.). Afrocentrismes. L’histoire des Africains entre Égypte et Amérique, 249-270 Paris: Karthala (2000). Revised publish in English ------, Mary Lefkowitz , ed. 200?

1. Refereed Journals

B. Ortiz de Montellano, "Jailhouse Politics," J. Contemporary Law, 1, 30-47 (1974).

_____ "Aztec Medicine: Empirical Considerations," Ethnomedizin (Hamburg), 3, (#3/4) 249-71 (1974-75).

_____ "Empirical Aztec Medicine," Science, 188, 215-220 (1975); Reprinted in the following: Katunob, 9 (#3) (1976), N. Klein, Ed., Culture, Curers and Contagion (San Francisco: Chandler Sharp, 1979).

_____ "Curanderos: Spanish Shamans or Aztec Scientists," Grito Del Sol, 1 (#3), 21-28 (1976); Reprinted in La Raza Habla (New Mexico State University), 1 (#4), 1976.

_____ "Aztec Cannibalism: An Ecological Necessity," Science, 200, 611-617 (1978).

_____ "The Scientific Basis for Aztec Treatment of Wounds," Estudios Sobre Etnobotanica y Antropologia Medica (Mexico), 3, 145-154 (1979).

_____ "The Mesoamerican Calendar: Philosophy and Computations," Grito Del Sol, 4 (#2), 47-73 (1979).

_____ "Aztec Survivals in Modern Folk Medicine," Grito Del Sol, 4 (#2), 11-26 (1979).

_____ "El Canibalismo Azteca, Necesidad Ecologica?," Anales de Antropologia (Mexico), 14, 155-182 (1979).

_____ "Las Yerbas De Tlaloc," Estudios De Cultura Nahuatl (Natl. Univ. Mexico), 14, 287-314 (1980).

_____ "Minorities and the Medical Professional Monopoly: Ethical, and Political Aspects of the Interaction of Traditional Medicine and Science," Grito Del Sol, 5 (#2), 27-70 (1980); Reprinted in: J.V. Martinez and D.I. Marinez, Eds., Aspects of Hispanic and American Indian Involvement in Biomedical Research (Bethesda, MD: SACNAS, 1982).

_____ "Counting Skulls: Comment on the Aztec Cannibalism Theory of Harner-Harris," American Anthropologist, 45 (#2), 403-406 (1983).

_____ "Reductionist or Holistic Medicine: Its Role in Latin America," Estudios de Antropologia Medica, 4, 115-137 (1986).

_____ "Caida de Mollera: Aztec Sources for a Disease of Supposed Spanish Origin," Ethnohistory, 34(#4), 381-399 (1987).

_____ "Ghosts of the Imagination: John Bierhorst's Translation of the Cantares Mexicanos," New Scholar, 11, 35-46 (1989). Reprinted in Tlalocan (Mexico), 11: 469-482 (1989).

______ "Multicultural Pseudoscience: Spreading Scientific Illiteracy Among Minorities. I" Skeptical Inquirer, 16 (#1): 46-50, 1991. Reprinted in Kendrick Frazer, ed. Science, Knowledge, and Belief: Encounters with the Paranormal. Bufffalo, NY: Prometheus Books. 1998. IN PRESS

_______"Magic Melanin: Spreading Scientific Illiteracy Among Minorities. II." Skeptical Inquirer, 16 (#2): 162-166, 1992.

_______"Afrocentric Creationism," Creation/Evolution, #29, 1-8, Winter 1991-1992.

_______"Afrocentricity, Melanin, and Pseudoscience," Yearbook of Physical Anthropology, 36: 33-58 (1993).

_______"The Dogon Revisited," Skeptical Inquirer. (Nov./Dec): 39-42 (1996).

_______ “Post-Modern Multiculturalism,”. APS Physics and Society Newsletter 26 (#4):3-5 (1997). Reprinted in American Physical Society News 7 (#1 January) 12 (1998)

______ Multicultural Science: Who Benefits? Science Education 85: 77-79 (2001).


But again, this is all spam and ad hominem attempts to distract from Clyde's false claim of refereed publications in quality refereed journals

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Quetzalcoatl what was the current anthropology article you wrote? Was it one I linked on Sertima?

I have 3 in Current Anthropology:

G. Haslip-Viera, B. R. Ortiz de Montellano and W. Barbour, "Robbing Native American Cultures: Van Sertima and the Olmecs," Current Anthropology, 38 (#3): 419-441 (1997).

C.H. Browner, B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, and A.J. Rubel, "A Methodology for Cross-Cultural Ethnomedical Research," Current Anthropology, 29, 681-702 (1988)

C.H. Browner, B. R. Ortiz de Montellano, and A. J. Rubel, "Reply to H. R. Fabrega, 'On Research Methdology for Ethnomedicine", Current Anthropology, 30: 347-348 (1989).

LOL. Let's look at these papers. One was an attack on Ivan, the next a research article, and the third a Letter to the Editor.

Oh Great Deceiver, You have a lot of nerve. Here you are criticizing my Letter to BioEssay, as not being peer reviewed, yet you admit you published a Letter, in CA, and claim it as "peer reviewed.

LOL. You are a liar and fraud Oh Great Deceiver.

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This post in dealt with a question about what I had published in Current Anthropology. Not what was refereed or not.
True. I am illustrating how attacking Ivan gave you recognition . This is not scholarship, its Euronut propaganda.

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Let’s look at the publications of Bernard. He list 10 articles he wrote by himself, and the rest co-authored. Knowing that Bernard is a fraud we will not discuss the so-called articles he co-authored. I would bet 9/10, they were wrote by his students and he just attached his name to their work. There is nothing wrong with this it’s a good way to get your student’s work published. Below are the papers:
  • 1. Authored

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "El Conocimiento de la Naturaleza Entre Los Aztecas. Taxonomia," in A. Lopez Austin, Ed., La Historia General de la Medicina (Mexico: Academia Nacional de la Medicina, UNAM, 1984), Vol. 1, 115-132.

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Los Principios Rectores de la Medicina Entre Los Mexicas. Etiologia, Diagnostico y Pronostico," in A. Lopez Austin, Ed., La Historia General de la Medicina (Mexico: Academia Nacional de la Medicina, UNAM, 1984), Vol. 1, 159-170.

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Aztec Medicinal Herbs: Evaluation of Therapeutic Effectiveness," in N.L. Etkin, Ed., Plants Used in Indigenous Medicines: A Bio-cultural Approach (NY: Redgrave, 1986). pp. 113-127.

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Aztec Sources of Some Mexican Folk Medicine," in R. Steiner, Ed., Folk Medicine: The Art and the Science (Washington, DC: American Chemical Society, 1986). pp. 1-22.

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Syncretism in Mexican and Mexican-American Folk Medicine," 1992 Lecture Series. Working Papers #5 (College Park, MD: Dept. of Spanish and Portuguese, University of Maryland, 1989).

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "The Body, Ethics and the Cosmos: Aztec Physiology," in D. Carrasco, ed. The Imagination of Matter: Religion and Ecology in Mesoamerican Traditions (Oxford: BAR International Series 515, 1989), 191-210.

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Mesoamerican Religious Tradition and Medicine," in L.E. Sullivan, Ed., Healing and Restoring: Health and Medicine in the World's Religious Traditions (NY: Macmillan, 1989) pp. 359-394.

    B. R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Multiculturalism, Cult Archaeology, and Pseudoscience," in F. Harrold and R. Eve, eds., Scientific Creationism and Cult Archaeology, 135-151. Ames: University of Iowa Press, 1995.

    "Afrocentric Pseudoscience: The Miseducation of African-Americans," in N. Levitt and P. Gross, eds., The Flight from Science and Reason. Baltimore: Johns Hopkins Press. 1996 .

    “Black Warrior Dynasts: L’Afrocentrisme et le Nouveau Monde,” In Fauvelle, F.-X., Chretien, J.-P., Perrot, C.-H. (eds.). Afrocentrismes. L’histoire des Africains entre Égypte et Amérique, 249-270 Paris: Karthala (2000). Revised publish in English ------, Mary Lefkowitz , ed. 200?
Of these papers 40% are attacks on Ivan. As I said your career has been on the back of Afrocentrism, especially Ivan van Sertima.
Let’s look at the publications of Bernard. He list 10 articles he wrote by himself, and the rest co-authored. Knowing that Bernard is a fraud we will not discuss the so-called articles he co-authored. I would bet 9/10, they were wrote by his students and he just attached his name to their work. There is nothing wrong with this it’s a good way to get your student’s work published. Below are the papers:
  • 1. Authored

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "El Conocimiento de la Naturaleza Entre Los Aztecas. Taxonomia," in A. Lopez Austin, Ed., La Historia General de la Medicina (Mexico: Academia Nacional de la Medicina, UNAM, 1984), Vol. 1, 115-132.

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Los Principios Rectores de la Medicina Entre Los Mexicas. Etiologia, Diagnostico y Pronostico," in A. Lopez Austin, Ed., La Historia General de la Medicina (Mexico: Academia Nacional de la Medicina, UNAM, 1984), Vol. 1, 159-170.

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Aztec Medicinal Herbs: Evaluation of Therapeutic Effectiveness," in N.L. Etkin, Ed., Plants Used in Indigenous Medicines: A Bio-cultural Approach (NY: Redgrave, 1986). pp. 113-127.

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Aztec Sources of Some Mexican Folk Medicine," in R. Steiner, Ed., Folk Medicine: The Art and the Science (Washington, DC: American Chemical Society, 1986). pp. 1-22.

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Syncretism in Mexican and Mexican-American Folk Medicine," 1992 Lecture Series. Working Papers #5 (College Park, MD: Dept. of Spanish and Portuguese, University of Maryland, 1989).

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "The Body, Ethics and the Cosmos: Aztec Physiology," in D. Carrasco, ed. The Imagination of Matter: Religion and Ecology in Mesoamerican Traditions (Oxford: BAR International Series 515, 1989), 191-210.

    B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Mesoamerican Religious Tradition and Medicine," in L.E. Sullivan, Ed., Healing and Restoring: Health and Medicine in the World's Religious Traditions (NY: Macmillan, 1989) pp. 359-394.

    B. R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Multiculturalism, Cult Archaeology, and Pseudoscience," in F. Harrold and R. Eve, eds., Scientific Creationism and Cult Archaeology, 135-151. Ames: University of Iowa Press, 1995.

    "Afrocentric Pseudoscience: The Miseducation of African-Americans," in N. Levitt and P. Gross, eds., The Flight from Science and Reason. Baltimore: Johns Hopkins Press. 1996 .

    “Black Warrior Dynasts: L’Afrocentrisme et le Nouveau Monde,” In Fauvelle, F.-X., Chretien, J.-P., Perrot, C.-H. (eds.). Afrocentrismes. L’histoire des Africains entre Égypte et Amérique, 249-270 Paris: Karthala (2000). Revised publish in English ------, Mary Lefkowitz , ed. 200?

Of these papers 40% are attacks on Ivan. As I said your career has been on the back of Afrocentrism, especially Ivan van Sertima.

Poor Clyde- desperately using spam to distract from his false claims of refereed publications in quality refereed journals :-(.
Liars figure and figures lie. He argues that I have 10 solo publications and mixes refereed journal articles and chapters in books to get there. Actually there are 32 and-more importantly - he omits my book published by Rutgers University Press and translated to Spanish. Something he will never attain. Of the 32 papers and chapters ONE (the French volume) has to do with Van Sertima. That is 3% not 40%. Five of 32 have to do with Afrocentric science teaching, i.e. The Portland Essays And Hunter Adams.

What is even more amusing is his claim to exclude co-authored papers because they "were written with my students" 1) Practically all the articles in scientific journals are coauthored with students, but the credit goest to the major professor. Clyde would be excluding a lot of Nobel Prize winners by this criteria.

2) ONE of my co-authored refereed papers has a student (Villaruel- who got her PhD in Nursing not anthropology), ONE Judy Davidson was a PhD student at UCLA not my university and ONE Michael Heinrich was once my student but our Annual Review in Pharmacology and Toxicology article (which Clyde will also never attain) was written when he was Chair of the Pharmacognosy Department, University College, London. Another co-author Eloy Rodriguez is James Perkins Professor of Environmental Studies at Cornell University. Look him up in Wikipedia.
3) what is also amusing is that by excluding co-authored papers, Clyde excludes the papers on Van Sertima that he complains about :-). My co-authors there are not my students, Gabriel Haslip-Viera, a Puerto-Rican is Professor and Chair of the Department of Sociology at City College of New York, Warren Barbour, an African-American archaeologist specializing on Mesoamerica, is Professor of Anthropology at SUNY , Buffalo. BTW all of these Universities are more prestigious than Governors State University and they all are Full Professors.

Books

Ancient and Modern Medical Practices in Mesoamerica. Greeley, CO: Univ. of Northern Colorado.

Translator with T. Ortiz de Montellano of Alfredo López Austin, Human Body and Ideology. Aztec Physiological Concepts (Salt Lake City: University of Utah Press, 1988) 2 vol.

Aztec Medicine, Health, and Nutrition (New Brunswick: University of Rutgers Press 1990).


Chapters
B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "El Conocimiento de la Naturaleza Entre Los Aztecas. Taxonomia," in A. Lopez Austin, Ed., La Historia General de la Medicina (Mexico: Academia Nacional de la Medicina, UNAM, 1984), Vol. 1, 115-132.

B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Los Principios Rectores de la Medicina Entre Los Mexicas. Etiologia, Diagnostico y Pronostico," in A. Lopez Austin, Ed., La Historia General de la Medicina (Mexico: Academia Nacional de la Medicina, UNAM, 1984), Vol. 1, 159-170.

B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Aztec Medicinal Herbs: Evaluation of Therapeutic Effectiveness," in N.L. Etkin, Ed., Plants Used in Indigenous Medicines: A Bio-cultural Approach (NY: Redgrave, 1986). pp. 113-127.

B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Aztec Sources of Some Mexican Folk Medicine," in R. Steiner, Ed., Folk Medicine: The Art and the Science (Washington, DC: American Chemical Society, 1986). pp. 1-22.

B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Syncretism in Mexican and Mexican-American Folk Medicine," 1992 Lecture Series. Working Papers #5 (College Park, MD: Dept. of Spanish and Portuguese, University of Maryland, 1989).

B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "The Body, Ethics and the Cosmos: Aztec Physiology," in D. Carrasco, ed. The Imagination of Matter: Religion and Ecology in Mesoamerican Traditions (Oxford: BAR International Series 515, 1989), 191-210.

B.R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Mesoamerican Religious Tradition and Medicine," in L.E. Sullivan, Ed., Healing and Restoring: Health and Medicine in the World's Religious Traditions (NY: Macmillan, 1989) pp. 359-394.

B. R. Ortiz de Montellano, "Multiculturalism, Cult Archaeology, and Pseudoscience," in F. Harrold and R. Eve, eds., Scientific Creationism and Cult Archaeology, 135-151. Ames: University of Iowa Press, 1995.

"Afrocentric Pseudoscience: The Miseducation of African-Americans," in N. Levitt and P. Gross, eds., The Flight from Science and Reason. Baltimore: Johns Hopkins Press. 1996 .

“Black Warrior Dynasts: L’Afrocentrisme et le Nouveau Monde,” In Fauvelle, F.-X., Chretien, J.-P., Perrot, C.-H. (eds.). Afrocentrismes. L’histoire des Africains entre Égypte et Amérique, 249-270 Paris: Karthala (2000). Revised publish in English ------, Mary Lefkowitz , ed. 200?

1. Refereed Journals

B. Ortiz de Montellano, "Jailhouse Politics," J. Contemporary Law, 1, 30-47 (1974).

_____ "Aztec Medicine: Empirical Considerations," Ethnomedizin (Hamburg), 3, (#3/4) 249-71 (1974-75).

_____ "Empirical Aztec Medicine," Science, 188, 215-220 (1975); Reprinted in the following: Katunob, 9 (#3) (1976), N. Klein, Ed., Culture, Curers and Contagion (San Francisco: Chandler Sharp, 1979).

_____ "Curanderos: Spanish Shamans or Aztec Scientists," Grito Del Sol, 1 (#3), 21-28 (1976); Reprinted in La Raza Habla (New Mexico State University), 1 (#4), 1976.

_____ "Aztec Cannibalism: An Ecological Necessity," Science, 200, 611-617 (1978).

_____ "The Scientific Basis for Aztec Treatment of Wounds," Estudios Sobre Etnobotanica y Antropologia Medica (Mexico), 3, 145-154 (1979).

_____ "The Mesoamerican Calendar: Philosophy and Computations," Grito Del Sol, 4 (#2), 47-73 (1979).

_____ "Aztec Survivals in Modern Folk Medicine," Grito Del Sol, 4 (#2), 11-26 (1979).

_____ "El Canibalismo Azteca, Necesidad Ecologica?," Anales de Antropologia (Mexico), 14, 155-182 (1979).

_____ "Las Yerbas De Tlaloc," Estudios De Cultura Nahuatl (Natl. Univ. Mexico), 14, 287-314 (1980).

_____ "Minorities and the Medical Professional Monopoly: Ethical, and Political Aspects of the Interaction of Traditional Medicine and Science," Grito Del Sol, 5 (#2), 27-70 (1980); Reprinted in: J.V. Martinez and D.I. Marinez, Eds., Aspects of Hispanic and American Indian Involvement in Biomedical Research (Bethesda, MD: SACNAS, 1982).

_____ "Counting Skulls: Comment on the Aztec Cannibalism Theory of Harner-Harris," American Anthropologist, 45 (#2), 403-406 (1983).

_____ "Reductionist or Holistic Medicine: Its Role in Latin America," Estudios de Antropologia Medica, 4, 115-137 (1986).

_____ "Caida de Mollera: Aztec Sources for a Disease of Supposed Spanish Origin," Ethnohistory, 34(#4), 381-399 (1987).

_____ "Ghosts of the Imagination: John Bierhorst's Translation of the Cantares Mexicanos," New Scholar, 11, 35-46 (1989). Reprinted in Tlalocan (Mexico), 11: 469-482 (1989).

______ "Multicultural Pseudoscience: Spreading Scientific Illiteracy Among Minorities. I" Skeptical Inquirer, 16 (#1): 46-50, 1991. Reprinted in Kendrick Frazer, ed. Science, Knowledge, and Belief: Encounters with the Paranormal. Bufffalo, NY: Prometheus Books. 1998. IN PRESS

_______"Magic Melanin: Spreading Scientific Illiteracy Among Minorities. II." Skeptical Inquirer, 16 (#2): 162-166, 1992.

_______"Afrocentric Creationism," Creation/Evolution, #29, 1-8, Winter 1991-1992.

_______"Afrocentricity, Melanin, and Pseudoscience," Yearbook of Physical Anthropology, 36: 33-58 (1993).

_______"The Dogon Revisited," Skeptical Inquirer. (Nov./Dec): 39-42 (1996).

_______ “Post-Modern Multiculturalism,”. APS Physics and Society Newsletter 26 (#4):3-5 (1997). Reprinted in American Physical Society News 7 (#1 January) 12 (1998)

______ Multicultural Science: Who Benefits? Science Education 85: 77-79 (2001).


But again, this is all spam and ad hominem attempts to distract from Clyde's false claim of refereed publications in quality refereed journals

Oh Great Deceiver, I never criticized your students. It was just showing how you have rode their backs to get articles published, just like you are riding Afrocentrism.

You pathetic fraud. Do some real research instead of riding the backs of others. Oh that's right--you're a retiree--no students for you to use. LOL

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Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
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Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl:
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Originally posted by Dead:
Anyway, thanks for the info. So it turns out his only contributions to genuine peer-review journals are just 2 or 3 line comments he submitted, not articles (and yes, they don't peer-review the commentary attached to an article). All his other stuff is open access, or from obscure/fringe/pseudo-science journals like Sertima's, or the Mankind Quarterly (a white supremacist/neo-Nazi journal).

No, His "Comments" and "responses" are 2-3 pages and as usual have lots of footnotes. The problem as we know is that his footnotes and citations are very unreliable (more to come later), but since that are not peer reviewed they are not caught.
Oh Great Deceiver, LOL, you are a big joke. On the one hand, you claim my BioEssay Letter was not peer reviewed, yet Toomas Kivisild et al responded to my paper. They responded to my paper because Toomas Kivisild had published two papers admitting that hg M1, was found among Indians and a figure documenting the same fact.

M1 in India it is found in India. This supports the recent spread of the Dravidians in India, which is supported by archaeology and linguistics.

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In the Kivisild et al 1999 study of Indian mtDNA around 15% carried haplogroup M1. See:

http://evolutsioon.ut.ee/publications/Kivisild1999b.pdf




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The Eastern African hg M1, HVS-I signature motif is 16,129, 16,189, 16,223, 16,249, and 16,311. In the Kivisild et al figure below we see the same motif. The mutations are shown less 16,000.

Here you can clearly see: mutations 129,189, 223 and 311, in Indian M1.

As you can see I supported my proposition that M1 existed in India. That is why my paper was published in BioEssay. If the Letter I wrote was not peer reviewed Kivisild et al would not have known I had discovered their deception.

Kivisild did not like being discovered spreading falsehoods about Dravidian people, to statisfy the Hindutva (Hindu Nationalist) agenda to make it appear Indo-Aryan speakers were always inhabiters of India, when they only arrived in India, around 1000 and 800 BC.

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More spam to distract from your claims of refereed publications in quality refereed journals. Kivisild, himself wrote you extensively in 2008 pointing out your error and your misunderstanding of basic genetics and misuse of his 1999 paper. This, too will be dealt with eventually, but this thread has to do with your false claims.
LOL. The figures published by Kivisild above shows that his 2007 article was misleading and
false. The only thing he said was that he never identified M1, it was really M3. But the figure and Table 4 above, show that Kivisild was a liar and fraud--just like you.

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Skeletal Evidence of African Olmecs
By Dr. Clyde A. Winters

Virtually nothing Clyde writes in the above article is true and he distorts Wiercinski (1972).

Firstly Clyde states: "There were 38 males and 62 female crania in the study from Tlatilco and 18 males and 7 females from Cerro". Yet Wiercinski's individual typological analysis [which Clyde later quotes] only used 63 skulls. The rest were in bad condition to take measurements.

So of these 63 skulls Wiercinski of the Polish Comparative-Morphological School carried out an individual typological and type-component analysis (using Michalski's 'halving-method') of 52 skulls from Tlatilco and 11 from Cerro de las Mesas. Here is his breakdown of those (my diagram):

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Wiercinski, A. (1972). "An Anthropological Study on the Origin of Olmecs". Swiatowit. 33. pp. 143-174.

First thing to note, is that contrary to Clyde who writes: "Wiercinski found African skeletons", not one of the "race types" is African.

Wiercinki's "Pacific-Equatorial", Laponoid-Equatorial", and "Armenoid-Bushmenoid" in his own words: "reflect [a] phenotypically complex of traits of the White or Black variety" but which have no biological basis whatsoever:

"It should be remembered that the results of this racial analysis based on the applications of the principles of the Polish Comparative-Morphological School with its distinctive and refined individual typology detached of any social, ethnic, linguistic or geographic division of mankind — are hardly comparable with the raciological studies of other anthropologists."

Clyde is too dumb to understand that the Polish "race types" of the Polish Comparative-Morphological School were not biological. So you could find any of the "types" in any population. You could find a Zulu being labelled "Nordic" by Wiercinski, lol.

The laugh is on you. Wiercinski provides pictures in the article of the biological types. Pictures that show the categories were related to the Negro type.
Ivan van Sertima told us about the work Dr. Wiercinski who examined many Olmec skeletons. Dr. Wiercinski (1972) claims that the some of the Olmecs were of African origin. He supports this claim with skeletal evidence from several Olmec sites where he found skeletons that were analogous to the West African type black. Wiercinski discovered that 13.5 percent of the skeletons from Tlatilco and 4.5 percent of the skeletons from Cerro de las Mesas were Africoid (Rensberger,1988; Wiercinski, 1972; Wiercinski & Jairazbhoy 1975).

Diehl and Coe (1995, 12) of Harvard University have made it clear that until a skeleton of an African is found on an Olmec site he will not accept the art evidence that the were Africans among the Olmecs. This is rather surprising because Constance Irwin and Dr. Wiercinski (1972) have both reported that skeletal remains of Africans have been found in Mexico. Constance Irwin, in Fair Gods and Stone Faces, says that anthropologist see "distinct signs of Negroid ancestry in many a New World skull...."

Dr. Wiercinski (1972) claims that some of the Olmecs were of African origin. He supports this claim with skeletal evidence from several Olmec sites where he found skeletons that were analogous to the West African type black. Many Olmec skulls show cranial deformations (Pailles, 1980), yet Wiercinski (1972b) was able to determine the ethnic origins of the Olmecs. Marquez (1956, 179-80) made it clear that a common trait of the African skulls found in Mexico include marked prognathousness ,prominent cheek bones are also mentioned. Fronto-occipital deformation among the Olmec is not surprising because cranial deformations was common among the Mande speaking people until fairly recently (Desplanges, 1906).


To determine the racial heritage of the ancient Olmecs, Dr. Wiercinski (1972b) used classic diagnostic traits determined by craniometric and cranioscopic methods. These measurements were then compared to a series of three crania sets from Poland, Mongolia and Uganda to represent the three racial categories of mankind.
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In Table 1, we have the racial composition of the Olmec skulls. The only European type recorded in this table is the Alpine group which represents only 1.9 percent of the crania from Tlatilco.

The other alleged "white" crania from Wiercinski's typology of Olmec crania, represent the Dongolan (19.2 percent), Armenoid (7.7 percent), Armenoid-Bushman (3.9 percent) and Anatolian (3.9 percent). The Dongolan, Anatolian and Armenoid terms are euphemisms for the so-called "Brown Race" "Dynastic Race", "Hamitic Race",and etc., which racist Europeans claimed were the founders of civilization in Africa.


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In Table 2, we record the racial composition of the Olmec according to the Wiercinski (1972b) study. The races recorded in this table are based on the Polish Comparative-Morphological School (PCMS). The PCMS terms are misleading. As mentioned earlier the Dongolan , Armenoid, and Equatorial groups refer to African people with varying facial features which are all Blacks. This is obvious when we look at the iconographic and sculptural evidence used by Wiercinski (1972b) to support his conclusions.

Wiercinski (1972b) compared the physiognomy of the Olmecs to corresponding examples of Olmec sculptures and bas-reliefs on the stelas. For example, Wiercinski (1972b, p.160) makes it clear that the clossal Olmec heads represent the Dongolan type. It is interesting to note that the emperical frequencies of the Dongolan type at Tlatilco is .231, this was more than twice as high as Wiercinski's theorectical figure of .101, for the presence of Dongolans at Tlatilco.

The other possible African type found at Tlatilco and Cerro were the Laponoid group. The Laponoid group represents the Austroloid-Melanesian type of (Negro) Pacific Islander, not the Mongolian type. If we add together the following percent of the Olmecs represented in Table 2, by the Laponoid (21.2%), Equatorial (13.5), and Armenoid (18.3) groups we can assume that at least 53 percent of the Olmecs at Tlatilco were Africans or Blacks. Using the same figures recorded in Table 2 for Cerro,we observe that 40.8 percent of these Olmecs would have been classified as Black if they lived in contemporary America.
Below are the racial types identified by Wiercinski:

Equatorial Type
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Dongolan Type
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Sub-Pacific and Bushmanoid-Armenoid

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Anatolian

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Rossum (1996) has criticied the work of Wiercinski because he found that not only blacks, but whites were also present in ancient America. To support this view he (1) claims that Wiercinski was wrong because he found that Negro/Black people lived in Shang China, and 2) that he compared ancient skeletons to modern Old World people.

First, it was not surprising that Wiercinski found affinities between African and ancient Chinese populations, because everyone knows that many Negro/African /Oceanic skeletons (referred to as Loponoid by the Polish school) have been found in ancient China see: Kwang-chih Chang The Archaeology of ancient China (1976,1977, p.76,1987, pp.64,68). These Blacks were spread throughout Kwangsi, Kwantung, Szechwan, Yunnan and Pearl River delta.

Skeletons from Liu-Chiang and Dawenkou, early Neolithic sites found in China, were also Negro. Moreover, the Dawenkou skeletons show skull deformation and extraction of teeth customs, analogous to customs among Blacks in Polynesia and Africa.

Secondly, Rossum argues that Wiercinski was wrong about Blacks in ancient America because a comparison of modern native American skeletal material and the ancient Olmec skeletal material indicate no admixture. The study of Vargas and Rossum are flawed. They are flawed because the skeletal reference collection they used in their comparison of Olmec skeletal remains and modern Amerindian propulations because the Mexicans have been mixing with African and European populations since the 1500's. This has left many components of these Old World people within and among Mexican Amerindians.

The iconography of the classic Olmec and Mayan civilization show no correspondence in facial features. But many contemporary Maya and other Amerind groups show African characteristics and DNA. Underhill, et al (1996) found that the Mayan people have an African Y chromosome. This would explain the "puffy" faces of contemporary Amerinds, which are incongruent with the Mayan type associated with classic Mayan sculptures and stelas.

Wiercinski on the otherhand, compared his SRC to an unmixed European and African sample. This comparison avoided the use of skeletal material that is clearly mixed with Africans and Europeans, in much the same way as the Afro-American people he discussed in his essay who have acquired "white" features since mixing with whites due to the slave trade.

A. von Wuthenau (1980), and Wiercinski (1972b) highlight the numerous art pieces depicting the African or Black variety which made up the Olmec people. This re-anlysis of the Olmec skeletal meterial from Tlatilco and Cerro, which correctly identifies Armenoid, Dongolan and Loponoid as euphmisms for "Negro" make it clear that a substantial number of the Olmecs were Blacks support the art evidence and writing which point to an African origin for Olmec civilization.

In conclusion, the Olmec people were called Xi. They did not speak a Mixe-Zoque language they spoke a Mande language, which is the substratum language for many Mexican languages.

The Olmec came from Saharan Africa 3200 years ago.They came in boats which are depicted in the Izapa Stela no.5, in twelve migratory waves. These Proto-Olmecs belonged to seven clans which served as the base for the Olmec people.

Physical anthropologist use many terms to refer to the African type represented by Olmec skeletal remains including Armenoid, Dongolan, Loponoid and Equatorial. The evidence of African skeletons found at many Olmec sites, and their trading partners from the Old World found by Dr. Andrzej Wiercinski prove the cosmopolitan nature of Olmec society. This skeletal evidence explains the discovery of many African tribes in Mexico and Central America when Columbus discovered the Americas (de Quatrefages, 1836).

The skeletal material from Tlatilco and Cerro de las Mesas and evidence that the Olmecs used an African writing to inscribe their monuments and artifacts, make it clear that Africans were a predominant part of the Olmec population.

These Olmecs constructed complex pyramids and large sculptured monuments weighing tons. The Maya during the Pre-Classic period built pyramids over the Olmec pyramids to disguise the Olmec origin of these pyramids.
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More spam as I predicted to get away from Clyde's false claim to refereed publications in quality refereed journals.

You can judge the accuracy of Wiercinski’s methodology from his paper

Wiercinski, A. "The Analysis of Racial Structure of Early Dynastic Populations in Egypt." In Materialy i Prace Antropologiczne 72, by Zaklad Antropologii Polskiej Akademii Nauk, 3-48. Wroclaw: Zaklad Antropologii Polskiej Akademii Nauk, 1965.
Which is summarized in this more available publication

Problema de las variaciones antroposcopicas de los antiguos egipcios [originalmente llamado "The Problem of Anthroposcopic Variations of Ancient Egyptians"] por Andrzej Wiercinski ul. Spiska 4A m 55, Warszawa, Polonia. in Population Biology of Ancient Egyptians London-New York 1973, pags. 143-165.

Resumen[ BOM Summary]
Este articulo muestra un análisis comparativo de las distribuciones de frecuencias de un grupo de caracteres craneoscopicos que discriminan entre las poblaciones Negroides y Caucasoides. Se investigaron varias series de cráneos Pre-dinásticos y de las primeras dinastías provenientes del Alto y Bajo Egipto. Parece que todos pertenecen al grupo Caucasoide y muestran una gran similitud con las series de la India. Sin embargo, fue detectada cierta cantidad de mezcla Negroide y Mongoloide pero esta no excede de 25%.

My (rough) translation

This article is a comparative anlaysis of the frequency distributions of a groups of cranial measurements that discriminate between negroid and Caucasoid populations. A number of series of Pre-Dynastic and the first dynasties from Lower and Upper Egypt. They all appear to be Caucasoid and are very similar to the Indian series. However, a certain amount of Negroid and Mongoloid was detected, but it did not exceed 25%

So, according to Wiercinski less than 25% of the population of ancient Egypt was black. If you like Wiercinski on the Olmecs you should like this one too.

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LOL. Bernard I have not put all of my articles and papers on Academia .edu. I am too lazy. Below is a list of some of my articles.
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[*]Articles
Clyde A. Winters,"Contemporary Trends in Traditional Chinese Islamic Education". INTERNATIONAL REVIEW OF EDUCATION, 30(4):475 479.
___________________. 1987. "Koranic Education and Militant Islam in Nigeria". INTERNATIONAL REVIEW OF EDUCATION, 33(2):171 185.
___________________. 1987b. "Traditional and contemporary Trends in Chinese Muslim Education",MUSLIM EDUCATION QUARTERLY ,4(4):52 65.
___________________. 1988. "Contemporary Trends in Chinese Muslim Education". MUSLIM EDUCATION QUARTERLY,4(4):52 65.

___________________. 1988b. "ISLAMIZATION AND EDUCATION IN MUSLIM CHINA".THE MUSLIM WORLD LEAGUE JOURNAL, 15:18 23.

___________________. 1988c. "Psychology Test and Black Police Recruits",LABOR LAW JOURNAL, 39(9):634 636.

___________________. 1988d. "Police Quotas", CHICAGO TRIBUNE,9 December,Sec.1, p.26.

___________________. 1989. "Psychology Test, Suits and Minority Applicants", THE POLICE JOURNAL,LXll (l):22 30.


__________________. 1989b. "Chicago Female Police", THE POLICE JOURNAL,LXll (2):136 142.

__________________. 1990. "Problems of Variance in the Utility of the MMPI in the Selection of Metropolitan Police",THE POLICE JOURNAL,LXlll (2):121 128.

___________________. 1991. "Informal Assessment of Special Needs Adults and K W L Plus in Correctional Education". ADULT EDUCATION Connection 4(3):5.
___________________. 1991b. "Hispanics and Policing in Chicago and Cook County, Illinois". THE POLICE JOURNAL, LXlV (l):71 75.

Mathews,M &________. 1992. Bibliotherapy and the Life centered
curriculum for Offender populations in prison, Yearbook of
Correctional Education, pp. 61-68.

___________________. 1993. "A Theoretical Model for Correctional Education in the U.S.". THE POLICE JOURNAL,LXVI (2):211-219.

-----------------, et al. 1993. "The Role of a Computer-Managed
Instructional System's Prescriptive Curriculum in the Basic
Skills Areas of Math and Reading Scores for Correctional
Pre-Trial Detainees". THE JOURNAL OF CORRECTIONAL EDUCATION, 44(1):10-19.

----------------.1993. "The Therapeutic use of the Essay in
Corrections", JOURNAL OF CORRECTIONAL EDUCATION,44(2):58-61.

----------,et al..1993. "An Education Policy for Large Jail
Programs:A Case Study". THE JOURNAL OF CORRECTIONAL EDUCATION, 44, (3): 124-133.

Spam to get away from your false claim offered publications in quality refereed journals. I only posted my work because you were lying about it.
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What is even more amusing is his claim to exclude co-authored papers because they "were written with my students" 1) Practically all the articles in scientific journals are coauthored with students, but the credit goest to the major professor. Clyde would be excluding a lot of Nobel Prize winners by this criteria.

2) ONE of my co-authored refereed papers has a student (Villaruel- who got her PhD in Nursing not anthropology), ONE Judy Davidson was a PhD student at UCLA not my university and ONE Michael Heinrich was once my student but our Annual Review in Pharmacology and Toxicology article (which Clyde will also never attain) was written when he was Chair of the Pharmacognosy Department, University College, London. Another co-author Eloy Rodriguez is James Perkins Professor of Environmental Studies at Cornell University. Look him up in Wikipedia.
3) what is also amusing is that by excluding co-authored papers, Clyde excludes the papers on Van Sertima that he complains about :-). My co-authors there are not my students, Gabriel Haslip-Viera, a Puerto-Rican is Professor and Chair of the Department of Sociology at City College of New York, Warren Barbour, an African-American archaeologist specializing on Mesoamerica, is Professor of Anthropology at SUNY , Buffalo. BTW all of these Universities are more prestigious than Governors State University and they all are Full Professors.

But again, this is all spam and ad hominem attempts to distract from Clyde's false claim of refereed publications in quality refereed journals [/qb]

Oh Great Deceiver, I never criticized your students. It was just showing how you have rode their backs to get articles published, just like you are riding Afrocentrism.

You pathetic fraud. Do some real research instead of riding the backs of others. Oh that's right--you're a retiree--no students for you to use. LOL

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More spam to distract from the false claim that Clyde has refereed publications in quality refereed journals.
Poor Clyde is getting desperate-- to the point that it is blinding him to the point he can't read. A few inches above this I pointed out, by name the only TWO graduate students (not mine) who co-authored papers. All the other co-authors are Professors in better universities than Governors State University and mostly Full Professors, which Clyde will never attain. I have provided the names, if I'm such a deceiver and liar Google their names.

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quote:
Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
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What is even more amusing is his claim to exclude co-authored papers because they "were written with my students" 1) Practically all the articles in scientific journals are coauthored with students, but the credit goest to the major professor. Clyde would be excluding a lot of Nobel Prize winners by this criteria.

2) ONE of my co-authored refereed papers has a student (Villaruel- who got her PhD in Nursing not anthropology), ONE Judy Davidson was a PhD student at UCLA not my university and ONE Michael Heinrich was once my student but our Annual Review in Pharmacology and Toxicology article (which Clyde will also never attain) was written when he was Chair of the Pharmacognosy Department, University College, London. Another co-author Eloy Rodriguez is James Perkins Professor of Environmental Studies at Cornell University. Look him up in Wikipedia.
3) what is also amusing is that by excluding co-authored papers, Clyde excludes the papers on Van Sertima that he complains about :-). My co-authors there are not my students, Gabriel Haslip-Viera, a Puerto-Rican is Professor and Chair of the Department of Sociology at City College of New York, Warren Barbour, an African-American archaeologist specializing on Mesoamerica, is Professor of Anthropology at SUNY , Buffalo. BTW all of these Universities are more prestigious than Governors State University and they all are Full Professors.

But again, this is all spam and ad hominem attempts to distract from Clyde's false claim of refereed publications in quality refereed journals

Oh Great Deceiver, I never criticized your students. It was just showing how you have rode their backs to get articles published, just like you are riding Afrocentrism.

You pathetic fraud. Do some real research instead of riding the backs of others. Oh that's right--you're a retiree--no students for you to use. LOL

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More spam to distract from the false claim that Clyde has refereed publications in quality refereed journals.
Poor Clyde is getting desperate-- to the point that it is blinding him to the point he can't read. A few inches above this I pointed out, by name the only TWO graduate students (not mine) who co-authored papers. All the other co-authors are Professors in better universities than Governors State University and mostly Full Professors, which Clyde will never attain. I have provided the names, if I'm such a deceiver and liar Google their names. [/QB][/QUOTE]

As I said before, I never attacked your students. I said and repeat you just placed your name on their research. LOL. Oh what a Great Deceiver you are.

Sadly,you had to depend on the work of your students to publish articles that were not about Afrocentrism. That's why you have not written any recent papers.

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Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl:
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Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
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Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl:
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Originally posted by Dead:
Anyway, thanks for the info. So it turns out his only contributions to genuine peer-review journals are just 2 or 3 line comments he submitted, not articles (and yes, they don't peer-review the commentary attached to an article). All his other stuff is open access, or from obscure/fringe/pseudo-science journals like Sertima's, or the Mankind Quarterly (a white supremacist/neo-Nazi journal).

No, His "Comments" and "responses" are 2-3 pages and as usual have lots of footnotes. The problem as we know is that his footnotes and citations are very unreliable (more to come later), but since that are not peer reviewed they are not caught.
Oh Great Deceiver, LOL, you are a big joke. On the one hand, you claim my BioEssay Letter was not peer reviewed, yet Toomas Kivisild et al responded to my paper. They responded to my paper because Toomas Kivisild had published two papers admitting that hg M1, was found among Indians and a figure documenting the same fact.

M1 in India it is found in India. This supports the recent spread of the Dravidians in India, which is supported by archaeology and linguistics.

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In the Kivisild et al 1999 study of Indian mtDNA around 15% carried haplogroup M1. See:

http://evolutsioon.ut.ee/publications/Kivisild1999b.pdf




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The Eastern African hg M1, HVS-I signature motif is 16,129, 16,189, 16,223, 16,249, and 16,311. In the Kivisild et al figure below we see the same motif. The mutations are shown less 16,000.

Here you can clearly see: mutations 129,189, 223 and 311, in Indian M1.

As you can see I supported my proposition that M1 existed in India. That is why my paper was published in BioEssay. If the Letter I wrote was not peer reviewed Kivisild et al would not have known I had discovered their deception.

Kivisild did not like being discovered spreading falsehoods about Dravidian people, to statisfy the Hindutva (Hindu Nationalist) agenda to make it appear Indo-Aryan speakers were always inhabiters of India, when they only arrived in India, around 1000 and 800 BC.

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More spam to distract from your claims of refereed publications in quality refereed journals. Kivisild, himself wrote you extensively in 2008 pointing out your error and your misunderstanding of basic genetics and misuse of his 1999 paper. This, too will be dealt with eventually, but this thread has to do with your false claims.
LOL. The figures published by Kivisild above shows that his 2007 article was misleading and
false. The only thing he said was that he never identified M1, it was really M3. But the figure and Table 4 above, show that Kivisild was a liar and fraud--just like you.

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Spam to distract from the false claim that Clyde has refereed publications in quality refereed journals.

The reason Kivisild replied to Clyde's comment was that 1) the editors as is routine sent it to him for reply-- just as James Pretell comment on your paper in International Journal Human Genetics was sent to you by its editors and 2) Kivisild was nauseated by your repeating an egregious error, which he had pointed out personally, at nauseam in 2008. He was not sent the letter as a referee, who are you trying to fool?

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Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
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What is even more amusing is his claim to exclude co-authored papers because they "were written with my students" 1) Practically all the articles in scientific journals are coauthored with students, but the credit goest to the major professor. Clyde would be excluding a lot of Nobel Prize winners by this criteria.

2) ONE of my co-authored refereed papers has a student (Villaruel- who got her PhD in Nursing not anthropology), ONE Judy Davidson was a PhD student at UCLA not my university and ONE Michael Heinrich was once my student but our Annual Review in Pharmacology and Toxicology article (which Clyde will also never attain) was written when he was Chair of the Pharmacognosy Department, University College, London. Another co-author Eloy Rodriguez is James Perkins Professor of Environmental Studies at Cornell University. Look him up in Wikipedia.
3) what is also amusing is that by excluding co-authored papers, Clyde excludes the papers on Van Sertima that he complains about :-). My co-authors there are not my students, Gabriel Haslip-Viera, a Puerto-Rican is Professor and Chair of the Department of Sociology at City College of New York, Warren Barbour, an African-American archaeologist specializing on Mesoamerica, is Professor of Anthropology at SUNY , Buffalo. BTW all of these Universities are more prestigious than Governors State University and they all are Full Professors.

But again, this is all spam and ad hominem attempts to distract from Clyde's false claim of refereed publications in quality refereed journals

Oh Great Deceiver, I never criticized your students. It was just showing how you have rode their backs to get articles published, just like you are riding Afrocentrism.

You pathetic fraud. Do some real research instead of riding the backs of others. Oh that's right--you're a retiree--no students for you to use. LOL

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More spam to distract from the false claim that Clyde has refereed publications in quality refereed journals.
Poor Clyde is getting desperate-- to the point that it is blinding him to the point he can't read. A few inches above this I pointed out, by name the only TWO graduate students (not mine) who co-authored papers. All the other co-authors are Professors in better universities than Governors State University and mostly Full Professors, which Clyde will never attain. I have provided the names, if I'm such a deceiver and liar Google their names.


[QUOTE]As I said before, I never attacked your students. I said and repeat you just placed your name on their research. LOL. Oh what a Great Deceiver you are.

Sadly,you had to depend on the work of your students to publish articles that were not about Afrocentrism. That's why you have not written any recent papers.
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Spam to distract about the false claim that Clyde has refereed contributions to quality refereed journals. I'm waiting for the editors of PNAS, Annals of Botany, and Proceedings of the Royal Society to respond before we can continue on the proper topic. I, unlike you, document my allegations.

You must think that the people on this discussion group are idiots or can't read. I documented that, of all my co-authored papers and chapters only TWO graduate students in other colleges and universities participated. They can read and count how any publications AND BOOKS are single author and they can google , if they doubt, for the names of my other co-authors. Something your work cannot stand as I will show on the next thread-- your record of misquotes and misleading summaries.

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Spam to distract from the false claim that Clyde has refereed publications in quality refereed journals.

The reason Kivisild replied to Clyde's comment was that 1) the editors as is routine sent it to him for reply-- just as James Pretell comment on your paper in International Journal Human Genetics was sent to you by its editors and 2) Kivisild was nauseated by your repeating an egregious error, which he had pointed out personally, at nauseam in 2008. He was not sent the letter as a referee, who are you trying to fool?

LOL. Oh Great Deceiver, like you Kivisild was lying and I proved it.

You are such a liar. What you mean by quality refereed journals, is refereed journals recognized by the Academe. As I have already shown my papers listed at PubMed are Academe recognized journals. Journals that I have published in. Moreover, the PubMed citations include research articles.

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LOL.You wish I was a fraud.

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Clyde you're an idiot who doesn't understand Wiercinski, or the Polish typological data.

I have translated Michalski and Wiercinski's papers, and first posted Michalski's typology online in 2012. This includes 64+ of his "types".

Weircinski never wrote that there were African Olmec skeletons. You're a liar. And as I explained the "race types" of the Polish typology were not biological.

"Every human population is composed of a number of racial elements and combinations of these, or mixed types. A single population may consist of different types, and a single type may occur in different populations. Hence, it is possible to establish the racial affinities of individuals, independent of their ethnic origins." (Wiercinski et al., 1962)

According to Wiercinski, a "race type" denotes a static phenotypically similar group of individuals, regardless of their ethnic origin/ancestry. This is why a commentator in the above cited article pointed out that Wiercinski's "race types" could have come from the planet Mars.

"Once he has his types he is stuck with them [...] a population [that] is divided into Negritid, Mongolid, and Europid types [...] even if the population came from Mars!".

So Wiercinski's "black race types" are not Africans. You could be Mexican, an Eskimo, or Scandinavian, yet be labelled either a "type" within the "black variety", "yellow variety" or "white variety" according to the Polish typologists. Needless to say this typology junk was thrown out of science ages ago. But the Polish scientists were a bit backward and continued this stuff into the 80s.

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