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A dervish or darvesh (from Persian, Darvīsh via Turkish, Somali: Daraawiish, Arabic: Darwī) is someone treading a Sufi Muslim ascetic path or "Tariqah", known for their extreme poverty and austerity. In this respect, dervishes are most similar to mendicant friars in Christianity or Hindu/Buddhist/Jain sadhus.
Many dervishes are mendicant ascetics who have taken a vow of poverty, unlike mullahs. The main reason they beg is to learn humility, but Dervishes are prohibited to beg for their own good. They have to give the collected money to other poor people. Others work in common professions; Egyptian Qadiriyya known in Turkey as Kadiri are fishermen, for example.
The whirling dance or Sufi whirling that is proverbially associated with dervishes is best known in the West by the practices (performances) of the Mevlevi order in Turkey, and is part of a formal ceremony known as the Sema. It is, however, also practiced by other orders. The Sema is only one of the many Sufi ceremonies performed to try to reach religious ecstasy (majdhb, fana). The name Mevlevi comes from the Persian poet Rumi, who was a dervish himself. This practice, though not intended as entertainment, has become a tourist attraction in Turkey.
(Wouldn't you know, it would be the Turks to cheapen it).
There are various orders of Dervishes, almost all of which trace their origins from various Muslim saints and teachers, especially Imam Ali. Various orders and suborders have appeared and disappeared over the centuries. Dervishes spread into North Africa, Turkey, the Balkans, the Caucasus, Iran, Pakistan, India, Afghanistan and Tajikistan.
Egypt - A Dervish Assiut
Other groups include the Bektashis, who are connected to the janissaries, and the Senussi, who are rather orthodox in their beliefs. Other fraternities and subgroups chant verses of the Qur'an, play drums or whirl in groups, all according to their specific traditions. They practice meditation, as is the case with most of the Sufi orders in South Asia, many of whom owe allegiance to, or were influenced by, the Chishti order. Each fraternity uses its own garb and methods of acceptance and initiation, some of which may be rather severe.
The Dervish State was an early 20th-century Somali Sunni Islamic state that was established by Muhammad Abdullah Hassan, a religious leader who gathered Somali soldiers from across the Horn of Africa and united them into a loyal army known as the Dervishes. This Dervish army enabled Hassan to carve out a powerful state through conquest of lands claimed by the Somali Sultans, the Ethiopians and the European powers. The Dervish State acquired renown in the Islamic and Western worlds due to its resistance against Britain and Italy. The Dervish State successfully repulsed British forces four times and forced them to retreat to the coastal region. The polity also maintained relations with other authorities, receiving support from the Ottoman and German empires. The Turks also named Hassan Emir of the Somali nation, and the Germans promised to officially recognize any territories the Dervishes were to acquire.
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Sayyīd Muhammad `Abd Allāh al-Hasan was a Somali religious and patriotic leader. Referred to as the Mad Mullah by the British, he established the Dervish State in Somalia that fought the 20 year Somaliland Campaign against British, Italian and Ethiopian forces.
Hassan was born in 1856 in the valley of Sa'Madeeq. Some say he was born in Kirrit in northern Somalia. At the time, this part of Somalia was a protectorate of the United Kingdom. Between 1884 and 1960, the area was known as British Somaliland.
Hassan was the eldest son of Sheikh Abdille, who hailed from the Ogaden sub-clan of the Darod major clan. His mother, Timiro Sade, also a Somali, belonged to the Dhulbahante clan. His great grandfather, Sheikh Ismaan of Bardee, was a pious man of great repute who left his homeland slightly north of Qelafo along the Shebelle River valley in what is now the Ogaden and migrated southwards to settle with the religious Somali community at Bardera along the Jubba River.
Hassan thus grew up among the Dhulbahante pastoralists, who were good herdsmen and warriors and who tended and used camels as well as horses. Young Hassan's hero was his maternal grandfather, Sade Mogan, who was a great warrior chief. In addition to being a good horseman, by the age of eleven, Hassan had learned the entire Qur'an by heart (he was a hafiz), and displayed all the qualities of a promising leader. He continued his religious education. In 1875, Hassan's grandfather died, which came as a shock. That same year, he worked as a Qur'anic teacher for two years. His thirst for Islamic learning was so intense that he left his job and devoted about ten years to visiting many famous centres of Islamic learning including Harar and Mogadishu and even some centres in Sudan.
Hassan received education from as many as seventy-two Somali and Arab religious teachers. In 1891, upon returning home, he married an Ogadeni woman. Three years later, along with two uncles and eleven other companions some of whom were his maternal kin, Hassan went to Mecca to perform the Hajj. The party stayed there for a year and a half and came under the charismatic influence of the newly-developing Saalihiya order under the leadership of the great Sudanese mystic, Mohammed Salih. Hassan received initiation and very rigorous spiritual training under Salih. From this experience, Hassan emerged a changed man spiritually transformed, 'shaken and over-awed', but determined to spread the teachings of the Saalihiya order in Somalia.
In 1895, Hassan returned to Berbera. The British considered Berbera merely 'Aden's butcher's shop', since they were only interested in getting regular supplies of meat from Somalia through this port for their British India outpost of Aden.
Taking advantage of Britain's complacency, Emperor Menelek II of Ethiopia asked Ras Makonnen, the Governor of his newly conquered Hararghe Province, to send armed bands to plunder and occupy Ogaden politically. The British withdrew from this area of their territory in Somalia.
In Berbera, Hassan could not succeed in spreading the teaching of the Saalihiya order due to the hostility of the local Qadiriyyah inhabitants. They did not like him criticising their eating khat, gorging on the fat of sheep's tail and following their traditional Qadiriyyah order. In 1897, he left Berbera to be with his Dulbahante kinsmen. On the way, at a place called Daymoole, he met some Somalis who were being looked after by a Catholic Mission. When he asked them about their clan and parents, the Somali orphans replied that they belonged to the "clan of the (Catholic) Fathers." This reply shook him, for he felt that the "Christian Overlordship in his country was tantamount to the destruction of his people's faith."
In 1899, some soldiers of the British armed forces met Hassan and sold him an official gun. When questioned about the loss of the gun, they told their superiors that Hassan had stolen the gun from them. On 29 March 1899, the British Vice Consul wrote a very stern and insulting letter to him accusing his camp of stealing the gun and asking him to return it immediately. This enraged Hassan and he sent a very brief and curt reply refuting the allegation. Hassan's attention had been focused on the Ethiopian invaders of Somalia, but this incident brought him into conflict with the British as well. The British, Ethiopian Emperor Menelek II, and a small numbers of Somalis then joined together to crush Hassan's Dervish movement.
In several of his poems and speeches, Hassan said that the British "have destroyed our religion and made our children their children" and that the Christian Ethiopians in league with the British were bent upon plundering the political and religious freedom of the Somali nation. He soon emerged as "a champion of his country's political and religious freedom, defending it against all Christian invaders" to his supporters. He issued a religious ordinance that any Somali who did not accept his goal and would not join his Salihiyya brotherhood would be considered as infidels (gaalo). He acquired weapons from the Ottoman Empire, Sudan, and other Islamic countries. He appointed his ministers and advisers in charge of different areas or sectors of Somalia and gave a clarion call for Somali unity and independence.
At this time Hassan organized his warriors. His Dervish movement had an essentially military character, and the Dervish State was fashioned on the model of a Salihiyya brotherhood. It had a rigid hierarchy and robust centralization.
Hassan threatened to drive the Christians into the sea, and he committed the first attack by launching a major military offensive with his 1,500 Dervishes, equipped with 20 modern rifles, on the British soldiers stationed in the region.
Hassan sent one of his men to Yemen in disguise for reconnaissance activities to report on the new aeroplanes' preparedness for attack. He sent his emissaries all over the country appealing for Somali people to join his movement and many responded to him enthusiastically.
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In 1900, an Ethiopian expedition sent to arrest or kill Hassan looted a large number of camels of the Mohammed Subeer Ogaden sub-clan. In answer to his appeal, Hassan attacked the Ethiopian garrison at Jijiga on 4 March of that year and successfully recovered all the looted animals. This success emboldened Hassan and enhanced his reputation.
In June, three months later, Hassan raided the British-protected northern Somali clans of Eidagale and Isaaq and confiscated about 2,000 camels. He gained great prestige in recovering the looted stock from the Ethiopians and he used it along with his charisma and powers of oratory to improve his undisputed authority among the Ogaden. To harness Ogaden enthusiasm into final commitment, Hassan married the daughter of a prominent Ogaden chieftain and in return gave his own sister, Toohyar Sheikh Adbile, to Abdi Mohammed Waale, a notable Mohammed Subeer elder.
However, soon angered by his autocratic rule, Hussen Hirsi Dala Iljech' - a Mohammed Subeer chieftain - plotted to kill him. The news of the plot leaked to Hassan. He escaped but his prime minister and maternal uncle, Aw 'Abbas, was killed. Some weeks later, Mohammed Subeer sent a peace delegation of 32 men to Hassan, but he had all the members of the delegation arrested and killed. Shocked by this, Mohammed Subeer sought the help of the Ethiopians and the Dervish withdrew to Nugaal.
Hassan (by now better known by his honorific title of "Sayyid") patched up with the Dulbahante temporarily by paying huge blood monies. This frightened the British-protected North Somali pastoralists. Towards the end of 1900, Ethiopian Emperor Menelik proposed a joint action with the British against the Dervish. Accordingly, British Lt. Col. E. J. Swayne assembled a force of 1,500 Somali soldiers led by 21 European officers and started from Burco on 22 May 1901, while an Ethiopian army of 15,000 soldiers started from Harar to join the British forces intent on crushing the 20,000 Dervish fighters (of whom 40 percent were cavalry).
Somali Dervish soldiers engage their British counterparts at sea.
During 1901 and 1904, the Dervish army inflicted heavy losses on their enemies - the Ethiopians, the British, and the Italian forces. "His successes attracted to his banner even Somalis who did not follow his religious beliefs." On 9 January 1904, at the Jidaale (Jidballi) plain, the British Commander, General Charles Egerton, killed 1,000 Dervish. This defeat forced Sayyid and his remaining men to flee to Majeerteen country.
Around 1910, in a secret meeting under a big tree later nicknamed "Anjeel tale waa" ("The Tree of Bad Counsel"), about 600 Dervish followers decided to stop following Sayyid due to his perceived high-handedness. Their departure weakened, demoralized and angered Sayyid, and it was at this juncture that he composed his most famous poem entitled The Tree of Bad Counsel
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During his campaign to gather fighting men in southern Somalia, Sayyid Mohamed received enormous support from the Tolomoge population, securing forces from the hinterland in northern Somalia to the length of the entire Jubba region in southern Somalia, from Serinley near Bardera to the coast.
Sayyid Mohamed Abdulle Hassan's own Ogaden clansmen weren't entirely on his side when the Tolomoge saw the importance of siding with the nationalist leader in ridding themselves of the colonial powers. From Serinley to Dolow, the second arm of the Tolomoge wasn't happy with giving the British a second front for confrontation. The peaceful communities between Bardera and Dolow to the Tana River in East Africa were long established before the late 19th century uprising of Sayyid Mohamed Abdulle Hassan.
Sudan Dervish
The Tolomoge Rer Guri were content and basically wanted to herd their livestock from the grasslands of Jubba to Tana River peacefully, where they had settled at the time. The Tolomoge Galti from the north and central Somalia were antagonistic. Northern Gedo of Abdale, who was at the time in concert with the rer Guri, was content with the status quo.
During 1910-1914, Sayyid's capital moved from Illig to Taleh in the heart of Nugal where he built three garrison forts of massive stone work and a number of houses. He built a luxurious palace for himself and kept new guards drawn from outcast clans. By 1913, he had dominated the entire hinterland of the Somali peninsula by building forts at Jildali and Mirashi in Warsangali country, at Werder and Korahe in the Ogaden and Beledweyne in southern Somalia. On 9 August 1913, at the Battle of Dul Madoba, a Dervish force raided the Habar Yoonis clan near Burco and killed or wounded 57 members of the 110-man Somaliland Camel Constabulary. The dead included the British officer who commanded the constabulary, Colonel Richard Corfield. Hassan memorialized this action in his poem simply entitled "The Death of Richard Corfield." In the same year, the Dervish sacked Berbera. In 1914, the Somaliland Camel Corps was founded as an expanded and improved version of the constabulary.
A British force was gathering against the Dervishes when they were interrupted by the outbreak of World War I. Among the British officers deployed was Adrian Carton de Wiart (later Lieutenant General), who lost an eye during the campaign, and Hastings Ismay, a staff officer who was later Winston Churchill's chief military advisor.
By 1919, despite the British having built large stone forts to guard the passes to the hills, Hassan and his armed bands were at large, robbing and killing. The vision of Sayyid and his followers in Jubba was similar to that of people in Sudan and Egypt when the Ottoman Sultanate was retreating from those other Northeast African territories.
Hadendoa warriors (Hadendoa is the name of a nomadic subdivision of the Beja people. Other Beja include the Bisharin and Ababda. The area inhabited by the Hadendoa is today parts of Sudan, Egypt and Eritrea).
In the beginning of 1920, the British struck the Dervish settlements with a well-coordinated air and land attack and inflicted a stunning defeat. The forts of Hassan were damaged and his army suffered great losses. They hastily fled to Ogaden. Here, again with the help of his patriotic poetry and charisma, he tried to rebuild his army and accomplish the coalition of Ogaden clans, which made him a power in the land once again.
On 21 December 1920, Hassan died of influenza at the age of 64, his grave is believed to be somewhere close to Imi town of the Somali region of Ethiopia; however, the exact spot of the Sayid's grave is unknown, a matter that has concerned and occupied the Somali people. However, in the middle of 2009, the Somali Regional State administration expressed that they will exhume the remains of Mohammed Abdullah Hassan and rebury him in his old castle at Imi. Although, most individuals who knew the exact location of the Hassan's tomb are dead for a long time now, the Regional Information Minister Mr. Guled Casowe told on VOA Somali Section interview, that very few, senile individuals who can reveal the details of the Hassan's grave may be alive, making the region's search efforts attainable. The Somali Region of Ethiopia is trying to sample DNA test to determine whether the remains they found in a graveyard at Gindhir, could be that of Sayid Mohammed Abdullah Hassan.
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^It seem to me that if they could have left their "Foreign religious indoctrinations" behind, they might have won, and Somalia would today be a "Real" country.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: the comparisons dont make sense geographically
Many populations can have overlaping similarities in appearance That doesnt mean they are actually related
Look at the lips and nose of Shapur II and the photo of the Sufi, not a match
So now cliff carvings need to be anatomically accurate, and fit everyone in the nation, eh idiot?
I can't resist:
Damn you're Stupid!
Lioness it is obvious you are deeply embarrassed by Afrocentrics.
Lioness being embarrassed by members of your race is a fact of life. I find mysogynist hiphop artistes, Real Housewives of Atlanta or whatever their called, twerkers on Youtube, Hebrew Israelites and all those other sorts embarrassing. But hey it is them and I am me, and I know I am not them, so I get on with my life and don't bother about them. I have seen any post from Mike requiring you to be apologetic on his account, so just get on with your life and stop chasing him around.
There are hundreds of millions of black people all round the world, of diverse nationalities, cultures, languages, social backgrounds and what nots. Why do you expect them to be sensitive to your sensibilities? They don't know about you and they don't even know that people like you exist.
Just lie back, relax and enjoy Mike's offensive wit. You are too eager to see all black people being nice to white people. Surprise, some are not, and they are never going to be. Get used to it.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] the comparisons dont make sense geographically
Many populations can have overlaping similarities in appearance That doesnt mean they are actually related
Look at the lips and nose of Shapur II and the photo of the Sufi, not a match
So now cliff carvings need to be anatomically accurate, and fit everyone in the nation, eh idiot?
I can't resist:
Damn you're Stupid!
Lioness it is obvious you are deeply embarrassed by Afrocentrics.
Mike is certainly not a Eurocentric. He thinks Africans are backward and stupid. He doesn't have high regards for Persians (more luke warm) so he doesn't mind noting what he thinks are similaritites between Beja and Persians. He doesn't see himself as a descendant of Persians. He sees himself as a descendant of Black Europeans and you will not see him drawing similar comparsions between Africans and Europeans. In fact he goes out of his way to disassociate what he sees as Black Europeans and Africans. It is evident you have not read the afrocentric classics. A black person imagining himself a Hapsburg is the opposite of afrocentrism. It's not African centered, obviously. The Hapsburgs have nothing to do with Africa. Therefore identifying with them is instant denial of ones actual African ancestry and is Eurocentric
And ironically while Mike will claim European he won't claim a specific familiy so he qustioned why you were claiming to be a Hapsburg. Of course you had no answer. You can't out-Mike Mike
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Btw - it's been four years, aren't you tired of looking at that Black woman's face?
Wouldn't you really like to pull yours out, and shake it at that damn Black bitches avatar face?
And you know I keep telling you, it's not healthy. You may loose yourself, if you play the part too long.
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^So then ausar has to worry, his record of eleven years may be in jeopardy. But I hope you noticed that he had to come back. Without his alter-ego, the Bedouin ausar, he was lost. Can't say I didn't warn you.
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Lioness, why are so concerned with a pussy cat like Mike? On the scale of racists (if the term can be applied to him) Mike ranks a 2 on a scale of 10. How about these guys for instance?
I am aware of Mike's low opinion of African people, and I disagree with many of his views but I don't have any urge to chase him and debate or correct him on every point.
I think you should save your energy for bigger fry, and stop chasing Mike round. You conduct is more like a jilted ex. Let things go.
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^^^ This guy is named "Irritated Genie" ( Ayo Kimathi )
He has had a small range radio show for several years sometimes collaborting with Samir Shabazz.of the New Black Panther Party's . I think Samir is in jail now on a second gun possession charge.
Ironically, also for several years, Irritated Genie, unknown to his listeners, also worked at the same time as having this radio show, in weapons procurement for the U.S. Dept of Homeland security (in other words working for the man, to put it mildly) And Samir Shabazz and his other close associates knew about it
It was only exposed recently, forcing Irritated Genie to quit this well paid job
In other words he has zero credibility as a black militant
Let's suppose he never had a job at Homeland security His influence is still a very limited range broadcast and despite his extrordinary hypocricy he doesn't pretend his opinions are science
Mike's distortions on the other hand he tries to pass off as history they are all over the internet, miseducating black people. Mike's site is the primary information source on world history for many of our black youth who did not attend college Yes it's my fault for not having a similar world history website
My goal is not to counter black bigots It is to counter people who lie about black history
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Mike's distortions on the other hand he tries to pass off as history they are all over the internet, miseducating black people. Mike's site is the primary information source on world history for many of our black youth who did not attend college Yes it's my fault for not having a similar world history website
My goal is not to counter black bigots It is to counter people who lie about black history
I assume that you are referring to the Site Realhistoryww.com as "My" site. Leaving that to the side for a while, lets interrogate some of your statements:
Firstly: Paraphrasing, you said that the history on the site is false. Well in order for you to know that the history there is false, you must also know what the "Truthful" history is - otherwise you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
So please tell us, What is the truthful history?
Secondly: you say that the denizens of the site are "NOT" college educated. Question, how do you know that?
He,he,he,he:
You know you can't answer, and you know what's coming. But go ahead, try anyway.
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^What happened Lioness, Cat got your tongue?
Lame pun I know, but is Lioness worth any better?
I hate it when idiots force you to speak to them.
The best that can happen is that others think you a vulgar bully for chastising the idiot.
Time is running out lioness, will you try an answer, or will you take your just punishment willingly?
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Originally posted by the lioness,:
Mike's distortions on the other hand he tries to pass off as history they are all over the internet, miseducating black people. Mike's site is the primary information source on world history for many of our black youth who did not attend college Yes it's my fault for not having a similar world history website
My goal is not to counter black bigots It is to counter people who lie about black history.
Time's up Lioness:
By your own failure, you have exposed yourself as just a talking lunatic with no knowledge and no legitimate point of view. Just an empty Albino carcass which has delusionally taken on the task of protecting the Albino world from the truths revealed by Black researchers.
And you are so deep in your Albino delusion and corruption that you don't even realize the fundamental lie and corruption of assuming the identity of a Black woman in carrying out your nefarious undertaking.
Damn, you're Stupid, and worthless!
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: My goal is not to counter black bigots It is to counter people who lie about black history
And what do you do to counter people who lie about white history, which I presume you consider to be realhistory?
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[qb] Mike's distortions on the other hand he tries to pass off as history they are all over the internet, miseducating black people. Mike's site is the primary information source on world history for many of our black youth who did not attend college Yes it's my fault for not having a similar world history website
My goal is not to counter black bigots It is to counter people who lie about black history
I assume that you are referring to the Site Realhistoryww.com as "My" site. Leaving that to the side for a while, lets interrogate some of your statements:
opps I made a mistake
realhistoryww.com must not be Mike's website
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: My goal is not to counter black bigots It is to counter people who lie about black history
And what do you do to counter people who lie about white history, which I presume you consider to be realhistory?
If somebody lies about white history
then why would I consider that real history?
that doesn't make sense
What is your criteria for judging what makes one version of history true and another false?
What makes Mike's version or interpretation of history false and the standard version of history true?
For the layman is it anything else besides the authority of the parties that propagate the different versions?
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Standard history may not all be true but comparitely Mike's interpretations are poorly argued and absurd in many cases,
He uses standard history sources but reinterpretated from the perspective of a lunatic asylum inmate Unlike Clyde who liste extensive footnote references Mike usually leaves them out. He doesn't want you to see for yourself, his sources and further information
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Standard history may not all be true but comparitely Mike's interpretations are poorly argued and absurd in many cases.
He,he,he,he,he:
My own little Doormat, beat the sh1t out of it, and it comes back for more.
Geez, this creature has me feeling like an abuser, but what can I do, I can't let this creatures lies stand.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^It seem to me that if they could have left their "Foreign religious indoctrinations" behind, they might have won, and Somalia would today be a "Real" country.
The real problem wasn't the overseas religious teachings it was the splintering of the Somali into independent clans. Somalia as a nation never existed until 1960 when the British and Italian Somalilands united. Prior to this the Horn of Africa was broken up into various city states and later sultanates. The sultanates should have formed alliances with one another. It was this that allowed colonization to take place. In that quoted excerpt you can clearly see that some Somali clans were either allied with the British or Italians against the Dervishes. You also had Ethiopia aiding the British. Colonization would not have been possible if Africans dropped their squabbles with each other and recognized the Europeans as a dangerous and common threat to not only Africa but their own statehood sovereignty. Many nations were silly enough into thinking that signing "treaties" or becoming "protectorates" were bilateral moves similarly to how the Native Americans were hoodwinked.
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Somalis can brag about their caucasiod features, and their Somalid Race haplogroups all day long but to the Euro's Somali's ain't nothing but a bunch a ni**as, unless it is on paper in academia where everything is just theoretical. Do ya'll know when you are being played? It is like telling an ugly girl she is beautiful just so you can get a little something something, and what Euro's want from Somalia is penetration into the Gulf of Aden. and the countries strategic position on the Indian Ocean will always be more valuable than Somali lives to Euro's and now the Chinese. Tribalism in the face of Euro Hegemony is suicide.
Arabism as a political and economic philosophy is a non starter. Kenya, Ethiopia, Rawanda and Nigeria ( despite corruption) will continue to outpace Somalia.
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quote:Originally posted by Andromeda2025: Somalis can brag about their caucasiod features, and their Somalid Race haplogroups all day long but to the Euro's Somali's ain't nothing but a bunch a ni**as, unless it is on paper in academia where everything is just theoretical. Do ya'll know when you are being played? It is like telling an ugly girl she is beautiful just so you can get a little something something, and what Euro's want from Somalia is penetration into the Gulf of Aden. and the countries strategic position on the Indian Ocean will always be more valuable than Somali lives to Euro's and now the Chinese. Tribalism in the face of Euro Hegemony is suicide.
Arabism as a political and economic philosophy is a non starter. Kenya, Ethiopia, Rawanda and Nigeria ( despite corruption) will continue to outpace Somalia.
Kenya, Ethiopia, Rwanda and Nigeria only exist as independent countries in name only. Most of these countries' leaders have sold off their lands and resources to foreign interests while the citizens remain one of the poorest in the world. China has gotten into the act the last ten years virtually scamming Africans with the "We build We own" propaganda. In Kenya there are Chinese owned restaurants where Native Kenyans are banned after 5 pm (apartheid ring a bell?). Africa has been sold for quite a long time now.
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quote:Originally posted by Andromeda2025: Somalis can brag about their caucasiod features, and their Somalid Race haplogroups all day long but to the Euro's Somali's ain't nothing but a bunch a ni**as, unless it is on paper in academia where everything is just theoretical. Do ya'll know when you are being played? It is like telling an ugly girl she is beautiful just so you can get a little something something, and what Euro's want from Somalia is penetration into the Gulf of Aden. and the countries strategic position on the Indian Ocean will always be more valuable than Somali lives to Euro's and now the Chinese. Tribalism in the face of Euro Hegemony is suicide.
Arabism as a political and economic philosophy is a non starter. Kenya, Ethiopia, Rawanda and Nigeria ( despite corruption) will continue to outpace Somalia.
Don't believe that nonsense at forumbiodiversity. It's imposing garbage to cause devision.
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What makes you think Somalis have "caucasoid features". I have seen many Somalis and I don't associate their features with so-called "caucasoid traits".
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Why do black people have a wide range of features but whites have little to no physical diversity?
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quote:Originally posted by Suliman: Why do black people have a wide range of features but whites have little to no physical diversity?
Because they originate from a certain subset.
Africa had many small pockets, who sometimes did not even interact with each other.
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That can't be solely it,even the negritos vary enough in comparison to whites,some look like dark skin Chinese type people or some look like a darker Khoisan, the only whites that look different are the southern Euros but most know why.
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Eumelanin (OCA-Negative & OCA-positive) Versus Eumelanin deficient (OCA-dominate).
Whereas OCA-Negative is the absence of OCA defect (True black)
OCA-Positive is an OCA autosomal carrier, with and without physical albinism traits. (Black/Mulatto)
OCA-Dominate (white) is complete OCA phenotype capable of only displaying all limited phenotype traits of albinism (Complete/Partial albinism), unable to display OCA-Negative or even OCA-Positive physical traits.
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I'm not just talking about color,they all look the same,I've seen this video of the aetas and thought I could clearly see how the east Asian phenotype came about,I thinks the color but thin featured black still don't look like white folks unless they have albinism. https://youtu.be/w38RUXe9q10Posts: 1123 | From: New York | Registered: Feb 2016
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quote:Originally posted by Thereal: That can't be solely it,even the negritos vary enough in comparison to whites,some look like dark skin Chinese type people or some look like a darker Khoisan, the only whites that look different are the southern Euros but most know why.
As we know "negritos" are amongst the oldest of people, so "negritos" have drifts of sub sets as well. In other words, they had a longer time to "develop" different traits.
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