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If the argument is...homosexuality is the NEXT stage in our evolution...that is opposite to the truth. It is the end. Homosexuality is devolution.
So yeah. I am big on evolution and the next step forward for humankind. Homosexuality does not comply. Sorry.
@lioness. Feces on the condom is not a work around. Ever had a poopy pamper in the room?
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The 'lifestyle homosexuality' we see in the media all the time? Sure. The gay community probably doesn't want to hear it, but in the long term it's likely detrimental to society in more ways than just in the sense of lowered fertility rates.
But it's not necessarily detrimental in other forms. See some of your fellow so-called 'straight' compatriots when they get out of prison with skeletons in their closet or 'straight' females who kiss their BFs in public when they go out.
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Putting aside the irony of all these "Afrocentric" wannabes projecting the social mores of modern right-wing American Christianity onto pre-colonial Africa aside...
I don't get why anyone here is so threatened by the existence or acceptance of homosexuality in humanity. Most people are born with a heterosexual orientation anyway, so giving LGBT people as many rights and respect as the straight and cis-gendered majority won't turn all humanity gay, or whatever "detriment to society" the homophobes imagine. Homosexuality as a sexual orientation is no more threatening to the rest of humanity than, say, left-handedness. As long as all parties involved are consenting adults and practice safe sex, I don't care what sex they all are. Let them marry and do whatever they want in their own bedrooms.
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^Right. Usually when this topic comes up, I don't comment on it. I'm pro emancipation for this demographic, but not to the point where I'm particularly invested. But when I see these homophobic sentiments creep into discussions about history, I have to speak up.
It would be entertaining to see Xyyman, or any of the other homophobes here, explain the behaviour of these 20 men (note: somewhat graphic as somehow not fitting within the range of human behaviour people already accept as part of humanity. What these 20 men did is highly dysfunctional and sick, maybe, but part of the human range, nonetheless (not that I don't think Daryell got poetic justice). Just read reports of human rights violations in war zones.
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"I'm pro emancipation for this demographic...... I have to speak up."
and what about the Blacks ?? any such compulsion to speak up on their behalf against the myriad of injustices ... amongst others, the theft/destruction of their history by Whites ?
why such sympathy for "the gays" and none for "the Blacks" ????
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Might want to take a lesson in quoting properly. What did I just say? I said I'm pro emancipation, but not particularly invested in their cause. For some reason you seem to think I'm as invested in apologizing for them as you are invested in being a homophobe. All I've criticised here is your double standards and your willingness to devote energy to entertaining recurrent thoughts and feelings about something that will likely never affect you. I've never suggested you need to embrace them and their lifestyle.
It reminds me of the religious primitives who hate harmless "pagan" practices in some remote Island with a passion. These natives will NEVER cross their path, yet they will devote their lives to seek these people out and turn them into little clones who speak, act and worship like them, just so they can sit back and feel better about themselves.
You don't even see the arrogance in your views, do you?
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Lol. This is what happens when thinking people encounter superstitious faith-based primitives. The history books are full with these encounters. Their own inability to articulate their views without coming across as an irrational bigots inevitably manifests itself in misplaced anger and dismissiveness. But you have yourself to blame for your shortcomings, not others.
Your mind is too primitive to even put up a fight and defend your superstitions.
quote:Originally posted by kdolo: Thanks for answering the question.
"This data reveals that relative to the general population, the LGBT population has a larger proportion of non-white people."
5% of African Americans are homosexual yet their population size is only 14% of America.
3% of White Americas are homosexual, yet are 70% of America's population.
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quote:Originally posted by Truthcentric:
Putting aside the irony of all these "Afrocentric" wannabes projecting the social mores of modern right-wing American Christianity onto pre-colonial Africa aside...
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"pre-colonial Africa"? How Eurocentric.
You're not listening to what African blacks have posted about homosexuality.
Even when or where occurring, in Inner Africa homosexuality is not and was never flaunted nor rampant as in all WestEurAsia dominant cultures since the glory of Greece to amoral America (USA) not to overlook the decadence of the Turko-Iranic-Arabian world in between.
Do you want to label African tellings of how it is as "right-wing American Christianity" when African scripture, by a Sudan (Khartoum Mesolithic) originated civilization whose pharaoh's genomes are found today among African blacks, condemned both sodomy and pederasty in the judgement of the soul per the Negative Confessions millenia before there even was a Xianity.
Whether cosmopolitan or traditional, Inner Africa's general tenor toward male same sex relations is negative and mocking, despite even exceptions to the rule like Dahomey's gay page boys.
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Even when or where occurring, in Inner Africa homosexuality is not and was never flaunted nor rampant as in all WestEurAsia dominant cultures since the glory of Greece to amoral America (USA)
1) Is homosexulaity in your opinion immoral?
2) How do you measure whether or not a behavior is "rampant" in a society?
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I too wonder how these pre-colonial narratives we keep hearing about have been arrived at, given the fact that it has already been established on this forum that homosexual (and deviant sexual) activities have been recorded for both precolonial South and North Africa.
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^May be like the Crackas scapegoating, to salve his need to believe that there is someone even lower than he.
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"This data reveals that relative to the general population, the LGBT population has a larger proportion of non-white people."
5% of African Americans are homosexual yet their population size is only 14% of America.
3% of White Americas are homosexual, yet are 70% of America's population.
Unbelievable!
Ignorant Negroes still willing to allow Albinos to tell them about themselves! Just un fuching believable!
And did any say how they came upon this information???
Last I heard, most Gays didn't broadcast their sexual preference.
Oh I know, it comes from Albinos, so it MUST be true.
Seems Africans aren't the only ones!
Btw - as I'm sure you know, for me the issue is most certainly not homosexuality nor the lack of homosexuality - I don't care, it's about dumb Niggers doing what dumb Niggers do.
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Ignorant Negroes still willing to allow Albinos to tell them about themselves! Just un fuching believable!
And did any say how they came upon this information???
the surveyors went into the black, white, Hispanic, Asian and other communities and asked people to fill out questionarie forms on an anonymous basis. Therefore many closeted people could have been convinced that filling out the form would not make their sexual preference public.
Besides, what about Egmond Codfied's valubale contributions to Chocolate European studies?
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I've been thinking about this whole race mixing thing supposedly in the increase on T.V.
I think the primary motive for it is tat it makes for interesting television and that sells adverstising.
When you see such a realtionship on T.V. you get curious if in the drama if any racial politics might be brought up.
With Trayvon Martin, Ferguson and related incidents there is recent racial tensions in the air. That makes for excitement and on commercials you can sell cars and cable cell phone plans
Some more paranoid white people fear a wide scale revolt. Not because they they don't think they couldn't win but because it could be costly in human life and property. So now they are pushing racial harmony at least the" Jewish contolled " media is However this is not the 60s. Black people are not organizing that much nationally as far as I can see. There are no new Martins and Malcoms, These incidents are viewed as police policy related things by many
However the Republicans, I don't know, they want that negro out of office no matter what it takes That's not to say that Bush wasn't the first to have blacks in high cabinet postions, Condi and Colin However they are not supposed to know their place
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Do you like to get shyte on your dick Mike? Or do you prefer it wrapped before shyte gets on it. HE! HE! HA! HA! SMH
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@ Sage. So, does the Laws of Maat really condemn homosexuality. I have seen many different interpretation/translations. I do not trust white translators. Since you can read glyphs.
Does the Negative Confessions really talk about “I have not laid with other men”? I saw you bumped the Glyphs dictionary. I need to start looking at that seriously.
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Sigh! Mike you are missing the point Cass said there is a fixed number for Blacks who are gay…in the US. I came back with…..if that is true it should be the same for UK Blacks. Lioness caught on when he/she stated that .there mayb e “closet” homos but since the study was done “anymonously” the numbers may actually be correct. Come on man. Stop being so inane.
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Do you like to get shyte on your dick Mike? Or do you prefer it wrapped before shyte gets on it. HE! HE! HA! HA! SMH
Prostate massage is also used for sexual stimulation, often in order to reach orgasm. The prostate is sometimes referred to as the "male G-spot". Some men can achieve orgasm solely through stimulation of the prostate gland, such as prostate massage or receptive anal intercourse, and men who report the sensation of prostate stimulation often give descriptions similar to females' accounts of G-spot stimulation.[11][12] Prostate stimulation can produce stronger and more powerful orgasms than solely penile stimulation.
In 1992, a study conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) found that 26% of men 18 to 59 and 20% of women 18 to 59 had engaged in heterosexual anal sex; a similar 2005 survey (also conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) found a rising incidence of anal sex relations in the American heterosexual population. The survey showed that 40% of men and 35% of women between 25 and 44 had engaged in heterosexual anal sex.
"Studies indicate that about 25 percent of heterosexual couples have had anal sex at least once, and 10 percent regularly have anal penetration."
12% Nigerian secondary school students practise anal sex' Written by Muda Oyeniran, Lagos Thursday, December 8, 2011
Not less than 12 percent of public secondary school students in Nigeria practise anal sex while 12.1 per cent of university students and 15.2 per cent adolescents in northern Nigeria engage in the act. Morenike Ukpong, the coordinator of the New Vaccine and Microbicide Advocacy Society, a Lagos-based non-governmental organisation, who disclosed this to the Nigerian Tribune said the role of anal sex in driving the HIV epidemic away from Nigeria could no longer be ignored.
She further said there were evidences to show that about 10 per cent of women and 14 per cent of men in the general populace practised anal sex, adding that the use of condom during this sexual act was low because of the erroneous belief that anal sex was safer than vagina sex.
"Request for anal sex by clients of female sex workers is high with men paying higher to have anal sex for many reasons," she stated.
According to Ukpong, anal sex is known to be the highest risk form of sexual transmission of HIV infection with approximately 14 times higher risk of HIV transmission when compared to penile-vagina sex.
"The probability of HIV infection transmission in penetrative anal sex is about 1.4 per cent per sex act both in heterosexual and homosexual relationships. For women, the risk is highest as they will always be the receptor in either vagina or anal sex," Ukpong added.
She said there was the need to discuss more openly about the risk of anal sex adding that the discussion around sex must become broader to encourage public understanding of the multiple forms of sexual practices (vagina, oral, anal) and the risk of HIV infection associated with all the forms of sex.
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The need to discuss a rectal microbicide agenda for Nigeria...... I am in Ethiopia and I sat down through a 2 days session listening to data presentation about the HIV context and situation in Africa. Asusual, I was all out to hear and listen about what the data was saying
about Nigeria.
One key issue was the place and role of anal sex in driving the HIV epidemic in Nigeria. This can no longer be ignored. As per statistics, yes there are Statistics from Nigeria that shows that anal sex is practiced by 12% of public secondary schools students (Bamidele et al, 2009). There was another presentation that showed that 12.1% of university students and 15.2% in-school adolescents in Northern Nigeria practice anal sex.
What does this evidence mean? Anal sex is known to be the highest risk form of sexual transmission of HIV infection with approximately 14 (10 - 20) times higher risk of HIV transmission when compared to penile-vagina sex. The probability of HIV infection transmission in penetrative anal sex is about 1.4% per sex act both in heterosexual and homosexual relationships.
There are evidence to show that about 10% of women and 14% of men in the general population practice anal sex with condom use being low during this sexual practice as a result of multiple erroneous believes including believes that anal sex is safer than vagina sex. Request for anal sex by clients of FSW is high (not a negligible proportion) with men paying higher to have anal sex with sex workers (male and female) for many reasons (more pleasurable, tighter, gets to ejaculate faster and for prevention of STIs, and it is cleaner as fewer people engage with this 'hole').
And you know what? For women, the risk is highest as they will always be the receptor in either vagina or anal sex. Maybe this be an unidentified driver of the HIV epidemic amongst females. Study do show that many women engage in anal sex during pregnancy, menstruation, for pleasure and a whole host of other reasons. Yet evidence show that as receptors of sex (anal or vagina) their risk are increased.
What do we need to do? I personally think there is the need to discuss more openly about the risk of anal sex. Many times we discuss sex during our sex, sexuality and HIV education in a way that unconsciously limit our verbal and non verbal communication about sex to vagina sex. Our discussion around sex must become broader to encourage public understanding of the multiple forms of sexual practices (vagina, oral, anal) and the risk of HIV infection associated with all the forms of sex. I had personally been engaged in a public discuss with university students where a major player in the HIV field actually noted in her discuss that anal sex was safe. Anal sex is associated with high risk and we need to get the public to understand this. Our family life education series need to identify this and share this information in schools in view of the statistics that show that despite under-reporting, 12% -15% of adolescents practice anal sex.
Do we discourage anal sex? People have choices. We need to promote safe practices. Anal sex and howbeit all sexual practices need to be made safe (use dental dams for oral sex, condom for vagina sex, and condom + lubricants for anal sex and vagina sex with the vagina is dry). These are existing tools and are effective. We need to advocate for increased distribution and access to lubricants in the same spaces as condoms can be accessed. And for the future, there is the rectal microbicide.
What is rectal microbicide? It is a product currently being developed. When developed, it will be available as a lubricant, gel, douche or an enema that can be used by women and men to reduce the risk of HIV transmission during anal sex. It would be able to offer some level of protection from HIV infection even in the absence of a condom. It would also serve as a backup protection if a condom breaks or slips off during anal intercourse. For more information, visit www.rectalmicrobicides.org
Some Nigerian researchers are very much interested in conducting rectal microbicide research. Lets support this process. Lets speak up for rectal microbicide in Nigeria. Lets discuss about this during our World AIDS day activities as we ensure a AIDS free generation. Photo Speak
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You do realize there is a biological ie evolutionary purpose to these organs? The anus is to defecate. I know some of you think we know better than what nature intended it for. Just saying……I am guilty sometimes myself. Who can pass up a good BJ…from a female. May be we should overlook the intended purpose of the mouth besides talking and eating.
You know what these numbers tell me? Men don’t care where they stick it. And it is the same women who like ie women don’t really like it like that. ----- Quote :
In 1992, a study conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) found that 26% of men 18 to 59 and 20% of women 18 to 59 had engaged in heterosexual anal sex;
Enough of this. Lol!
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So this is NOT he Nigerian CDC equivalent. Not peer-reviewed
Morenike Ukpong, the coordinator of the New Vaccine and Microbicide Advocacy Society, a Lagos-based non-governmental organisation
Who funded the paper?
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: So this is NOT he Nigerian CDC equivalent. Not peer-reviewed
Morenike Ukpong, the coordinator of the New Vaccine and Microbicide Advocacy Society, a Lagos-based non-governmental organisation
Who funded the paper?
An anonymous survey of 2593 men and 1818 women in Cape Town according to Kalichman et al (2009), they found out 14% of Men and 10% of Women have engaged in anal sex in the last 3 months, of this only 67% of the men use condoms compared to just 50% of the woman.
Even there is a significant drop of condom use among truck drivers (N=320) in South Africa Ramjee et al (2002) and sex workers (N=147) in Kenya. Schwandt et al (2006). The two studies find 42% of truck drivers having anal sex with female sex workers, while it was 40% among female sex worker who said they have ever practised anal sex.
This is not the end of the surprising data. In Lane et al (2006) findings, it showed that young people between the ages of 15-24 years in South Africa engage in anal sexual behaviour. There is no difference between the sexes, while young male engage at rate of 5.5%, young female are at 5.3%.
More interesting is Matasha (1998) findings that among primary school pupils in Tanzania, 9% had anal sex as their first sexual experience.
Taken together, these studies show that there is a previously unknown anal sexual behaviour among heterosexuals but the focus on anal sex and health for many years has been the limited to gay/MSM communities.
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quote:Originally posted by Tukuler:
Dahomey's gay page boys
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Whoops. I mistakenly conflated Mossi gay page boys and Dahomey female-female marriage.
Sorry.
quote:Originally posted by Swenet:
I too wonder how these pre-colonial narratives we keep hearing about have been arrived at, given the fact that it has already been established on this forum that homosexual (and deviant sexual) activities have been recorded for both [pre-modern] South and North Africa.
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As you already well know European "narratives" of Inner African sexual practices were informed by direct observation and interview. But what the LGBT etc writers are saying ignores early Euro recordings of murder of male homosexuals merely for expressing their queer eye on a straight guy lust, not excluding foreign white Euro colonizers who propositioned.
Reading The 1000 Nights and a Night Entertainment, 19th c Euro porn books, and a book of African sex tales shows how tame African sexual fantasies and mores were in comparison to the Irano-Turkic-Arabian and European-Americas cultures at the time.
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You do realize there is a biological ie evolutionary purpose to these organs?
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@ Mensaman Here ordered from head to toe please reorder for which has the highest number of sensitive nerve endings:
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