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It is obvious that since 1996 Bernardo Ortiz de Montellano or Quetzalcoatl has spent his time attacking my research on-line. During this time I have illustrated that his attacks lack any foundation.

I have shown that Wiener was right about the Mande substratum in the Mayan language, and the Mande origin of Olmec writing (via Tuxtla statuette) and Mayan calendar. This means that Bernardo has to be attacking my research for some other reason. That reason must be racism and jelousy.

It is no secret that Mestizos like Bernardo, are attacking Blacks in cities where they form a majority, i.e., Los Angeles. Like Bernardo, they claim Afro-Americans are trying to steal their heritage as "Native Americans". This is a lie, Mestizos like Bernardo carry some Africans genes, but they are basically "white" as evident in Bernardo's picture.

I believe that it is the white ancestry of Bernardo and the Mestizo cohort that leads them to attack Afro-Americans. They are happy to accept the fruits of looking like other whites, but they are jealous of Afro-Americans who continue to present the Negro phenotype associated with Native Americans from the paleoamericans up to the Olmecs.


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Bernardo is jealous that his color, genetics and phenotype deny any heritage from the Native Americans, and thus any relationship to Native Americans.

This jealousy has caused Bernardo , and other Mestizos to hate Afro-Americans who prove there were Black or African founders of Pre-Columbian American Civilizations. That is why Bernardo attempts to use the bandwagon effect to find support for his spurious comments. Sadly, the Mestizos hate of Blacks is not a new phenomena. Mongoloid Indians have also been jealous of the civilization and creativity of Afro-Mexicans and etc. You can learn more about this attempt to erase Blacks from the history of the Americas, in my video:What happened to the Black Mexicans:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdXVj2vqIhc


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quote:
Originally posted by kdolo:
Clyde, Is it jealousy and racism ??

Or more simply, refusal to believe in something that has not been openly sanctioned by the White academic carthedral.

Some people refuse to see what is right in front of them, until it is sanctioned by their 'superiors'.



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quote:
Originally posted by kdolo:
Ckyde, Is it jealousy and racism ??

Or more simply, refusal to believe in something that has not been openly sanctioned by the White academic carthedral.

Some people refuse to see what is right in front of them, until it is sanctioned by their 'superiors'.

That could be part of it , but even Bernardo admits that there is no interest on the part of the Establishment to publish his anti-Afrocentrism work. If the Academe is not concerned with this phenomena, according to Bernardo why does he continue to attack the Mande origin of the Olmec when he doesn't have any evidence to back up his claim. If the experts felt they could demolish the idea, I am sure they would publish articles falsifying the research of Wiener and myself. But up until today the "experts" don't comment.

The absence of interest by experts in attacking Afrocentrism, makes me have to believe that jealousy motivates the Bernardo's attacks on the history of ancient Afro-Americans.Couple this with Mestizo racially motivated attacks in California and elsewhere on Afro-Americans and their culture, suggest jealousy and racism.

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....could be....

Mestizos and mestizo oriented cultures tend to vigourously protect and advocate White Supremacy....as vigoursly as Whites...

They are usually quite happy being subordinate to Whites and see it as the most natural thing in the World.

Nothing disturbs them more than to see the "darkies" getting out of line...acting up...being "arrogante" as they say in Spanish.

They entire Spanish new world culture is based on this concept

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quote:
Originally posted by kdolo:
....could be....

Mestizos and mestizo oriented cultures tend to vigourously protect and advocate White Supremacy....as vigoursly as Whites...

They are usually quite happy being subordinate to Whites and see it as the most natural thing in the World.

Nothing disturbs them more than to see the "darkies" getting out of line...acting up...being "arrogante" as they say in Spanish.

They entire Spanish new world culture is based on this concept

Well said kdolo:

Often times the "near" (near White) mulatto is the Black mans greatest enemy. He values his position nearest the White man, and will defend that position vigorously.

Intelligent Blacks laugh at both of them, and I think intelligent White women do too - especially in the west.

However, as usual, Africans don't get the joke.

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"intelligent White women do too"

Yes. Of course, often the "near" (near White) mulattos" greatest hope in life is to get a real White woman....(and vice versa)

Blanquemiento is the name of the game....

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I would go as far as to say that no group of people love "FAKE WHITE MAN JESUS"

as much as Mestizos.

In every Mestizo home there are usually multiple "Fake White Man Jesus" pictures....all occupying central location......it is usually the firdt hing you see upon entering their homes.

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Then again Mikez, arent you the on who theorized that the White conquest of the new World occurred only with the help/collusion of the Mongol type against the Black type ???

Perhaps Mestizos who are largely the result of the White-Mongol pairings harbor the combination of longstanding White and Mongol anti Black sentiment...as a cultural and genetic memory.

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quote:
Originally posted by kdolo:
Then again Mike, aren't you the one who theorized that the White conquest of the new World occurred only with the help/collusion of the Mongol type against the Black type???

Perhaps Mestizos who are largely the result of the White-Mongol pairings harbor the combination of longstanding White and Mongol anti Black sentiment...as a cultural and genetic memory.

It is not a theory, it is proven fact with supporting evidence.

The Albinos have no problem admitting that their earlier bullshit about 600 Spaniards defeating the Aztec was a lie.
Now they just don't want you to know that the Aztec were Blacks.

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Note this Wiki article:

Fall of Tenochtitlan

The siege of Tenochtitlan, the capital of the Aztec Empire, was a decisive event in the Spanish conquest of Mexico. It occurred in 1521 following extensive manipulation of local factions and exploitation of preexisting divisions by Spanish conquistador Hernán Cortés, who was aided by the support of his indigenous allies and his interpreter and companion Malinche.

Although numerous battles were fought between the Aztec Empire and the Spanish-led coalition, which was itself composed primarily of indigenous (mostly Tlaxcaltec) personnel, it was the siege of Tenochtitlan—its outcome probably largely determined by the effects of a smallpox epidemic (which devastated the Aztec population and dealt a severe blow to the Aztec leadership while leaving an immune Spanish leadership intact)—that directly led to the downfall of the Aztec civilization and marked the end of the first phase of the Spanish conquest of the Aztec Empire.


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(Note: some estimate that 50,000 Mongol Indians took part in the battle, along with a few hundred Spanish).

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Just like the simple-minded accepted that 600 Spaniards defeated the Aztec:

They also accept that the Spanish/Europeans - ANYBODY - could be IMMUNE from a Disease WITHOUT FIRST GETTING IT!!!!!

Therefore just like the Europeans caught a disease, got sick, and then recovered, so did the native Americans.

Those that died where the murder victims of the degenerate Albinos.

Btw - not meaning to sound racist:

But who is more likely to survive disease or other calamity:

Pigmented people or Albinos?

Just saying.

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"But who is more likely to survive disease or other calamity:"


Good point !

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As to the Mestizos:

Here is how they render Malinche:


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DOES SHE IN ANY WAY RESEMBLE AN AZTEC ??????

NO!!!

The Mestizos are playing the same game as their Albino masters/gods.
Falsely depicting Black people in their image.



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Wiki article:

La Malinche was a Nahua woman from the Mexican Gulf Coast, who played a role in the Spanish conquest of the Aztec Empire, acting as an interpreter, advisor, lover, and intermediary for Hernán Cortés. She was one of twenty women slaves given to the Spaniards by the natives of Tabasco in 1519. Later, she became a mistress to Cortés and gave birth to his first son, Martín, who is considered one of the first Mestizos (people of mixed European and indigenous American ancestry).

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^Just as the Mongol Indians were complicit in the fall of the Black Aztec Empire, they were also complicit in the fall of the Black Inca Empire.

In the following page, all the evidences and exhibits to prove, and explain, that reality have been assembled.


http://realhistoryww.com./world_history/ancient/Misc/Americas/The_Inca.htm


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For a good laugh at the lying degeneracy of Albinos, please read this livescience article from 2009.


http://www.livescience.com/3423-africans-columbus-world.html

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Do you have any more pics of Aztecs ?

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quote:
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Do you have any more pics of Aztecs ?

This page has many lifelike Aztec artifacts.

http://realhistoryww.com./world_history/ancient/Misc/Americas/Aztec_history.htm

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History is never neutral, as a result it is the highest point of propaganda. WE have been lied too by the Academe. In school you learn that the Native Americans were all mongoloid people. But this is false. There were Black Native Americans. This was especially true of the Aztecs. Archaeological evidence, Mayan and Spanish descriptions of the Aztec, and pictorial evidence from the codexes indicate they were Black.

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The Spanish described the Aztec as follows: “The people of this land are well made, rather tall than short. They are swarthy as leopards (see below), of good manners and gestures, for the greater part very skillful, robust, and tireless, and at the same time the most moderate men known. They are very warlike and face death with the greatest resolution” See: Daily Life of the Aztecs – Scribd, www.scribd.com/doc/116295428/Daily-Life-of-the-Aztecs
As you can see it was the Spanish who described the Aztecs as “swarthy” or black like leopards and jaguars.

The African or negro character of the Aztecs is supported by Mexican statements about the Aztecs and the codexes. The Maya called the Aztecs xilaan “curly or frizzy hair”, which is characteristic of Sub-Saharan Africans. In addition we find Black/Negro/African people in the Mexican codexes including Codex Telleriano and Codex Mendoza.
In addition to the textual evidence of Blacks in Mexico we also iconographic evidence from Mayan sub-pyramids of Blacks. For example, there are pictures of black scientists and chief from Xultun pyramid.

The archaeological, textual, and linguistic evidence make it clear the Aztecs were probably Black.The description of the Aztecs by the Spanish and Maya as black and frizzy haired match the pictures of the last Aztecs.

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Indigenous Mexicans do not look like Mestizos

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Some Mestizos may hate themselves. Their light and white skins betry their origin as the products of white French, Spanish and German men who exploited their Black and Mongoloid grandmothers to make the Mestizo raza.

Many Mestizos declare viva la raza, when in reality their faces and features tell the story of exploited indigenous Black and mongoloid women who were raped to satisfy the sexual desire of their white fathers, who murdered the husbands and lovers of their poor mistreated and abused indigenous grandmothers. Mestizos like their grandfathers seek to steal the history of Black Native Americans, because they are ashamed that their real history is the history of the criminals and sexual deviants who made their race.

That is why when they say viva la raza, they are celebrating the rape and exploitation of the indigenous Black and mongoloid people. To be proud of Mestizo heritage, while denying the history of the Black indigenous Americans is just them paying homage to the evil history of their grandfathers.

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The Maya called the Aztecs xilaan “curly or frizzy hair”, which is characteristic of Sub-Saharan Africans.

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quote:
Originally posted by kdolo:
....could be....

Mestizos and mestizo oriented cultures tend to vigourously protect and advocate White Supremacy....as vigoursly as Whites...

They are usually quite happy being subordinate to Whites and see it as the most natural thing in the World.

Nothing disturbs them more than to see the "darkies" getting out of line...acting up...being "arrogante" as they say in Spanish.

They entire Spanish new world culture is based on this concept

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According to mainstream history their ancestors walked from Russia with

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According to mainstream history their ancestors walked from Russia with

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You have confused the peoples:

The Maya were NOT a Mongol people!

In phenotype they were ordinary Blacks.

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This is what the Mongol type people looked like.

Note that these people are identified as Maya Warriors. That is information supplied to us.

We do not understand the total relationship between the people.


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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
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The Maya were NOT a Mongol people!

In phenotype they were ordinary Blacks.

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According to mainstream history all of the people of North and South America except the handful of paleolithic Europeans are descendants of a crew that walked from Russia.

I'm not the one that's confused. Planet Earth is confused.

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The mongoloid Maya mainly lived in Yucatec. The Black Mayan people mainly lived in Chiapas, Belize, Guatemala and Hondurus. It is here that we find the oldest pyramids.

The mongoloid and Black Mayans were heavily influenced by the Mande speaking Olmecs. As a result we detect a Mande substratum in the Mayan language.

Archaeologists are discovering that under Mayan pyramids we find Olmec inspired iconography. This indicates that the mongoloid people stole Black Mayan civilization and attempted to pass it off as their own creation.

Below are some of the murals from Xultun .


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Many pyramids are of Olmec origin. This is evident in the dragon motifs.

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This Olmec motif is found on pyramids that were covered over by later Mayan pyramids. These subpyramids were probably built by the Olmec.

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A good example of the Architectural skill and innovations of the First Nation Blacks is the pyramidal complex at Xultun. These Blacks left evidence of their identity in the architectural workroom.

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The Xultun pyramidal complex shows a variety of architectural styles and buildings

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The First Nation Blacks in Mexico had a right to create their own architectural style just like other Blacks in Africa who developed different pyramidial style.

Check out this article: Inference of Ancient Black Mexican Tribes and DNA, By Dr. Clyde Winters

Abstract

Background: Controversy surrounds the time period when Indigenous Mexican-African admixture occurred. Most researchers assume this admixture took place after the Atlantic Slave Trade. But, Spanish eyewitness accounts, Mayan skeletons with sickle cell anemia, and West African skeletal remains generally,indicate that there were Black Native Mexican and Meso-American communities in Meso-America before 1492. Using genetic association studies of available Indigenous Mexican and African genome-wide SNP genotypes and HLA we infer the probable pre-or post Columbian date for the admixture. Here we analyze the historical and archaeogentic literature relating to the American foundational haplogroups and HLA to extract ancestry information detailing when Indigenous Mexican-African admixture took place.

Results: Indigenous Mexican and African archaeogenetic, DNA and HLA resources were analyzed to determine to what extent admixture had occurred between these populations. The sample indicated that Indigenous Mexican-African admixture has taken place across Mexican fundamental male and female lineages; and that Africans and Indigenous Mexicans share HLA alleles. In addition, archaeogenetic evidence including, African [Mande] inscriptions, Mande substratum in Mayan languages, Africans depicted in Mayan murals at San Bartolo and Xultun, African skeletons generally, and ancient Mayan skeletons with sickle cell anemia support Spanish eyewitness accounts of Black Native American tribes [Otomi, Chontal (Mayan speaking group) ,Yarura and etc.] in Meso-America when they arrived on the scene.

Conclusion: We demonstrate that given the age of the African skeletons, excavated at Meso-American archaeological sites and Spanish eyewitness accounts of Black Mexicans, Indigenous Mexican- African admixture occurred prior to the European discovery of America. The date for the African skeletons indicate that there were several waves of West Africans who probably introduced African haplotypes into the Americas. The 25,000 Malians who sailed to America in 1310 probably had a major influence on the exchange of African genes in the Americas.

See: https://www.academia.edu/11544535/Inference_of_Ancient_Black_Mexican_Tribes_and_DNA


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Afro-Mexicans : http://kwekudee-tripdownmemorylane.blogspot.com/2014/08/afro-mexicans-mexicanos-negros-brave.html

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quote:
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Are Mestizos Jealousy of Afro-American History?


Mestizos by definition are people of combined European and Amerindian ancestry

Afro-Americans Americans are primarily African and on average have a smaller amount of European ancestry.
Some have American Indian, Asian and other ancestry but on average, less than the European admixture

Comparitively the average Afro-American has much less indigenous American ancestry than the average mestizo.
That is not suprising

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters

Are Mestizos Jealousy of Afro-American History?


Mestizos by definition are people of combined European and Amerindian ancestry

Afro-Americans Americans are primarily African and on average have a smaller amount of European ancestry.
Some have American Indian, Asian and other ancestry but on average, less than the European admixture

Comparitively the average Afro-American has much less indigenous American ancestry than the average mestizo.
That is not suprising

LOL. You have not done any research in this area. The Mestizos also carry African genes as I pointed out above.

Many Afro-Americans carry Black Native American genes including haplogroup A. The majority of Native Americans carry R1-M173 and haplogroup X. These genes are also carried by Afro-Americans. Gates and others believe that the presence of R1, indicate European heritage, when in reality it denotes Black Native American heritage. See: https://www.academia.edu/12204210/AFRICAN_ORIGIN_OF_NATIVE_AMERICAN_R1-M173

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters

Are Mestizos Jealousy of Afro-American History?


Mestizos by definition are people of combined European and Amerindian ancestry

Afro-Americans Americans are primarily African and on average have a smaller amount of European ancestry.
Some have American Indian, Asian and other ancestry but on average, less than the European admixture

Comparitively the average Afro-American has much less indigenous American ancestry than the average mestizo.
That is not suprising

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There is a high frequency of African-Mestizo admixture ranging between 20-40% .
The admixture rate between Africans and indigenous Mexican Indians ranges between 5-50% .

References:


1. Lisker R, et al.(1996). Genetic structure of autochthonous populations of Meso-america:Mexico. Am. J. Hum Biol 68:395-404.

2. Suarez-Diaz,E. (2014) Indigenous populations in Mexico. Medical anthropology in the Work of Ruben Lisker in the 1960's. Studies in History and Philosophy of Biological and Biomedical Sciences 47:108-117.

3. Lisker,R.(1981. Estructura genetia de la poblacion Mexicana. Aspectos Medicos y Anthropologica, Mexico: Salvat.

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quote:
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Originally posted by the lioness,:
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Originally posted by Clyde Winters

Are Mestizos Jealousy of Afro-American History?


Mestizos by definition are people of combined European and Amerindian ancestry

Afro-Americans Americans are primarily African and on average have a smaller amount of European ancestry.
Some have American Indian, Asian and other ancestry but on average, less than the European admixture

Comparitively the average Afro-American has much less indigenous American ancestry than the average mestizo.
That is not suprising

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This is an invented graph. Lisker did not use y-chromosomes he used 6GPD


quote:
There is a high frequency of African-Mestizo admixture ranging between 20-40% .
The admixture rate between Africans and indigenous Mexican Indians ranges between 5-50% .

References:


1. Lisker R, et al.(1996). Genetic structure of autochthonous populations of Meso-america:Mexico. Am. J. Hum Biol 68:395-404.

2. Suarez-Diaz,E. (2014) Indigenous populations in Mexico. Medical anthropology in the Work of Ruben Lisker in the 1960's. Studies in History and Philosophy of Biological and Biomedical Sciences 47:108-117.

3. Lisker,R.(1981. Estructura genetia de la poblacion Mexicana. Aspectos Medicos y Anthropologica, Mexico: Salvat.

.

R.Lisker, E. Ramirez, and V. Babinsky. 1996. “Genetic Structure of Autochtonous populations of Mesoamerica:Mexico,” [u]Human Biology[[/u] 68 (#3): 395-404. (properly cited)

Winters also like to play around with definitions to obscure. MESTIZO is defined as European + Indian; Nobody but Winters uses the term “mongoloid Native Americans”, which already presupposes what he intends to prove. MULATTO is defined as Black + white. Then there is African + Indian., and finally the trihybrid European + Black + Indian.

Table 2 in Lisker says

group black ... Indian… white

Paraiso 0.217... 0.474… 0.309
El Carmen 0.284… 0.432… 0.284
Veracruz 0.256 …. 0.394… 0.350
Saladero 0.302… 0.386… 0.312
Tamiahua 0.405… 0.307… 0.288

Aha! This could only happen after the arrival of the Spanish and African slaves. It is meaningless for the purposes Winters wants to use them. Also note there are more whites in Paraiso then blacks (30.9% vs 21.7%). Veracruz (35% vs 25.6%), Saladero (31.2% vs 30.2%). Black and White genetic contributions are the same in El Carmen and the only place there are more blacks is Tamiahua (40.5% vs 28.8).


Actually the more relevant part of the table is also not mentioned by Winters, i.e. not Mestizos, which by definition are already mixed with whites in Colonial Times. What we need is data on INDIAN GROUPS, Lisker Table 2 continues;


group black indian white
Huichol 0.00 0.912 0.088
Totonaco 0.00 0.854 0.146
Chontal 0.050 0.783 0.167
Chol 0.00 0.778 0.222
Zapoteco 0.00 0.741 0.259
Huasteco 0.00 0.627 0.373
Cora 0.008 0.792 0.20

In these Indian groups you get zero African contribution with the exception of the Maya Chontal group at 5% (not very significant); the Chol live in the area of the Classic Maya civilization, the Zapotec live in the area where writing was first found in Mesoamerica, the Totonac are the Indians living in Veracruz--and the better example to use rather then the Veracruz mestizo sample cited by Winters, the Huasteco are the supposedly ancestral Maya speakers just before the Mande came.. The paper points out that populations used were monolingual and identified themselves as Indian-- therefore, if there had been precolumbian African contact in the Maya area these would be the groups where it would show up. It doesn't.

Winters is playing tricks again by omitting the part of the paper he is quoting in support of his position.



Suares-Diaz, E. 2014 “Indigenous populations in Mexico: Medical anthropology in the work of Ruben Lisker in the 1960s,” [u] Studies in History and Philosophy of Biological and Biomedical Sciences [/u]47: 108-117


p. 114 Their area of study focused on the so-called Costa Chica in the Pacific Coast of southern Mexico, Lisker found that hemolytic anemaia was not that common in Mexican indigenous populations, but more interestingly, that the enzyme’s deficiency was correlated with distance to Cuijinicuilapa, a town in which African slaves had settled during colonial times. The farther from Cuijinicuilapa, the lower the frequency of G6PD and HbS; the village of Pochutla, for instance, showing a lower frequency than Ometepec. Using other blood markers, he calculated that in Cuijinicuilapa 56% of the genes are Negroid.


p. 114 These communities lived indifferent regions of the country, including the Northern mountains, and the east and west coast, where slave trade had taken place in the 16th century, according to Aguirre Beltrán. This time, Lisker obtained two thousand blood samples. The results confirmed the hypothesis of the Negro admixture in the west Mexican coast, in some places reaching a level of 40% of admixture. Lisker did not study the country at large. His results apply only to communities where historically we knew that slaves had settled in colonial times

Winters seems to forget that between his "1200 BC Mande" and 2015 there were many centuries where African brought as slaves lived and bred in Mexico.

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Please define which haplogroups represent an "Negroid/African contribution".

Ditto: "Indian contribution"

Ditto: "European contribution"

Btw - African + Indian = Zambo

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quote:
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Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
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Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters

Are Mestizos Jealousy of Afro-American History?


Mestizos by definition are people of combined European and Amerindian ancestry

Afro-Americans Americans are primarily African and on average have a smaller amount of European ancestry.
Some have American Indian, Asian and other ancestry but on average, less than the European admixture

Comparitively the average Afro-American has much less indigenous American ancestry than the average mestizo.
That is not suprising

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This is an invented graph. Lisker did not use y-chromosomes he used 6GPD


quote:
There is a high frequency of African-Mestizo admixture ranging between 20-40% .
The admixture rate between Africans and indigenous Mexican Indians ranges between 5-50% .

References:


1. Lisker R, et al.(1996). Genetic structure of autochthonous populations of Meso-america:Mexico. Am. J. Hum Biol 68:395-404.

2. Suarez-Diaz,E. (2014) Indigenous populations in Mexico. Medical anthropology in the Work of Ruben Lisker in the 1960's. Studies in History and Philosophy of Biological and Biomedical Sciences 47:108-117.

3. Lisker,R.(1981. Estructura genetia de la poblacion Mexicana. Aspectos Medicos y Anthropologica, Mexico: Salvat.

.

R.Lisker, E. Ramirez, and V. Babinsky. 1996. “Genetic Structure of Autochtonous populations of Mesoamerica:Mexico,” [u]Human Biology[[/u] 68 (#3): 395-404. (properly cited)

Winters also like to play around with definitions to obscure. MESTIZO is defined as European + Indian; Nobody but Winters uses the term “mongoloid Native Americans”, which already presupposes what he intends to prove. MULATTO is defined as Black + white. Then there is African + Indian., and finally the trihybrid European + Black + Indian.

Table 2 in Lisker says

group black ... Indian… white

Paraiso 0.217... 0.474… 0.309
El Carmen 0.284… 0.432… 0.284
Veracruz 0.256 …. 0.394… 0.350
Saladero 0.302… 0.386… 0.312
Tamiahua 0.405… 0.307… 0.288

Aha! This could only happen after the arrival of the Spanish and African slaves. It is meaningless for the purposes Winters wants to use them. Also note there are more whites in Paraiso then blacks (30.9% vs 21.7%). Veracruz (35% vs 25.6%), Saladero (31.2% vs 30.2%). Black and White genetic contributions are the same in El Carmen and the only place there are more blacks is Tamiahua (40.5% vs 28.8).


Actually the more relevant part of the table is also not mentioned by Winters, i.e. not Mestizos, which by definition are already mixed with whites in Colonial Times. What we need is data on INDIAN GROUPS, Lisker Table 2 continues;


group black indian white
Huichol 0.00 0.912 0.088
Totonaco 0.00 0.854 0.146
Chontal 0.050 0.783 0.167
Chol 0.00 0.778 0.222
Zapoteco 0.00 0.741 0.259
Huasteco 0.00 0.627 0.373
Cora 0.008 0.792 0.20

In these Indian groups you get zero African contribution with the exception of the Maya Chontal group at 5% (not very significant); the Chol live in the area of the Classic Maya civilization, the Zapotec live in the area where writing was first found in Mesoamerica, the Totonac are the Indians living in Veracruz--and the better example to use rather then the Veracruz mestizo sample cited by Winters, the Huasteco are the supposedly ancestral Maya speakers just before the Mande came.. The paper points out that populations used were monolingual and identified themselves as Indian-- therefore, if there had been precolumbian African contact in the Maya area these would be the groups where it would show up. It doesn't.

Winters is playing tricks again by omitting the part of the paper he is quoting in support of his position.



Suares-Diaz, E. 2014 “Indigenous populations in Mexico: Medical anthropology in the work of Ruben Lisker in the 1960s,” [u] Studies in History and Philosophy of Biological and Biomedical Sciences [/u]47: 108-117


p. 114 Their area of study focused on the so-called Costa Chica in the Pacific Coast of southern Mexico, Lisker found that hemolytic anemaia was not that common in Mexican indigenous populations, but more interestingly, that the enzyme’s deficiency was correlated with distance to Cuijinicuilapa, a town in which African slaves had settled during colonial times. The farther from Cuijinicuilapa, the lower the frequency of G6PD and HbS; the village of Pochutla, for instance, showing a lower frequency than Ometepec. Using other blood markers, he calculated that in Cuijinicuilapa 56% of the genes are Negroid.


p. 114 These communities lived indifferent regions of the country, including the Northern mountains, and the east and west coast, where slave trade had taken place in the 16th century, according to Aguirre Beltrán. This time, Lisker obtained two thousand blood samples. The results confirmed the hypothesis of the Negro admixture in the west Mexican coast, in some places reaching a level of 40% of admixture. Lisker did not study the country at large. His results apply only to communities where historically we knew that slaves had settled in colonial times

Winters seems to forget that between his "1200 BC Mande" and 2015 there were many centuries where African brought as slaves lived and bred in Mexico.

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No I haven't it is due to the slave trade that many contemprary Mexicans have African features.

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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
quote:
Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl:
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Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
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Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters

Are Mestizos Jealousy of Afro-American History?


Mestizos by definition are people of combined European and Amerindian ancestry

Afro-Americans Americans are primarily African and on average have a smaller amount of European ancestry.
Some have American Indian, Asian and other ancestry but on average, less than the European admixture

Comparitively the average Afro-American has much less indigenous American ancestry than the average mestizo.
That is not suprising

 -
This is an invented graph. Lisker did not use y-chromosomes he used 6GPD


quote:
There is a high frequency of African-Mestizo admixture ranging between 20-40% .
The admixture rate between Africans and indigenous Mexican Indians ranges between 5-50% .

References:


1. Lisker R, et al.(1996). Genetic structure of autochthonous populations of Meso-america:Mexico. Am. J. Hum Biol 68:395-404.

2. Suarez-Diaz,E. (2014) Indigenous populations in Mexico. Medical anthropology in the Work of Ruben Lisker in the 1960's. Studies in History and Philosophy of Biological and Biomedical Sciences 47:108-117.

3. Lisker,R.(1981. Estructura genetia de la poblacion Mexicana. Aspectos Medicos y Anthropologica, Mexico: Salvat.

.

R.Lisker, E. Ramirez, and V. Babinsky. 1996. “Genetic Structure of Autochtonous populations of Mesoamerica:Mexico,” [u]Human Biology[[/u] 68 (#3): 395-404. (properly cited)

Winters also like to play around with definitions to obscure. MESTIZO is defined as European + Indian; Nobody but Winters uses the term “mongoloid Native Americans”, which already presupposes what he intends to prove. MULATTO is defined as Black + white. Then there is African + Indian., and finally the trihybrid European + Black + Indian.

Table 2 in Lisker says

group black ... Indian… white

Paraiso 0.217... 0.474… 0.309
El Carmen 0.284… 0.432… 0.284
Veracruz 0.256 …. 0.394… 0.350
Saladero 0.302… 0.386… 0.312
Tamiahua 0.405… 0.307… 0.288

Aha! This could only happen after the arrival of the Spanish and African slaves. It is meaningless for the purposes Winters wants to use them. Also note there are more whites in Paraiso then blacks (30.9% vs 21.7%). Veracruz (35% vs 25.6%), Saladero (31.2% vs 30.2%). Black and White genetic contributions are the same in El Carmen and the only place there are more blacks is Tamiahua (40.5% vs 28.8).


Actually the more relevant part of the table is also not mentioned by Winters, i.e. not Mestizos, which by definition are already mixed with whites in Colonial Times. What we need is data on INDIAN GROUPS, Lisker Table 2 continues;


group black indian white
Huichol 0.00 0.912 0.088
Totonaco 0.00 0.854 0.146
Chontal 0.050 0.783 0.167
Chol 0.00 0.778 0.222
Zapoteco 0.00 0.741 0.259
Huasteco 0.00 0.627 0.373
Cora 0.008 0.792 0.20

In these Indian groups you get zero African contribution with the exception of the Maya Chontal group at 5% (not very significant); the Chol live in the area of the Classic Maya civilization, the Zapotec live in the area where writing was first found in Mesoamerica, the Totonac are the Indians living in Veracruz--and the better example to use rather then the Veracruz mestizo sample cited by Winters, the Huasteco are the supposedly ancestral Maya speakers just before the Mande came.. The paper points out that populations used were monolingual and identified themselves as Indian-- therefore, if there had been precolumbian African contact in the Maya area these would be the groups where it would show up. It doesn't.

Winters is playing tricks again by omitting the part of the paper he is quoting in support of his position.



Suares-Diaz, E. 2014 “Indigenous populations in Mexico: Medical anthropology in the work of Ruben Lisker in the 1960s,” [u] Studies in History and Philosophy of Biological and Biomedical Sciences [/u]47: 108-117


p. 114 Their area of study focused on the so-called Costa Chica in the Pacific Coast of southern Mexico, Lisker found that hemolytic anemaia was not that common in Mexican indigenous populations, but more interestingly, that the enzyme’s deficiency was correlated with distance to Cuijinicuilapa, a town in which African slaves had settled during colonial times. The farther from Cuijinicuilapa, the lower the frequency of G6PD and HbS; the village of Pochutla, for instance, showing a lower frequency than Ometepec. Using other blood markers, he calculated that in Cuijinicuilapa 56% of the genes are Negroid.


p. 114 These communities lived indifferent regions of the country, including the Northern mountains, and the east and west coast, where slave trade had taken place in the 16th century, according to Aguirre Beltrán. This time, Lisker obtained two thousand blood samples. The results confirmed the hypothesis of the Negro admixture in the west Mexican coast, in some places reaching a level of 40% of admixture. Lisker did not study the country at large. His results apply only to communities where historically we knew that slaves had settled in colonial times

Winters seems to forget that between his "1200 BC Mande" and 2015 there were many centuries where African brought as slaves lived and bred in Mexico.

'
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.
No I haven't it is due to the slave trade that many contemprary Mexicans have African features.

Notice, that instead of dealing with his misstatements about Lisker, we get distracting spam.
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quote:
Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
quote:
Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters

Are Mestizos Jealousy of Afro-American History?


Mestizos by definition are people of combined European and Amerindian ancestry

Afro-Americans Americans are primarily African and on average have a smaller amount of European ancestry.
Some have American Indian, Asian and other ancestry but on average, less than the European admixture

Comparitively the average Afro-American has much less indigenous American ancestry than the average mestizo.
That is not suprising

 -
This is an invented graph. Lisker did not use y-chromosomes he used 6GPD


quote:
There is a high frequency of African-Mestizo admixture ranging between 20-40% .
The admixture rate between Africans and indigenous Mexican Indians ranges between 5-50% .

References:


1. Lisker R, et al.(1996). Genetic structure of autochthonous populations of Meso-america:Mexico. Am. J. Hum Biol 68:395-404.

2. Suarez-Diaz,E. (2014) Indigenous populations in Mexico. Medical anthropology in the Work of Ruben Lisker in the 1960's. Studies in History and Philosophy of Biological and Biomedical Sciences 47:108-117.

3. Lisker,R.(1981. Estructura genetia de la poblacion Mexicana. Aspectos Medicos y Anthropologica, Mexico: Salvat.

.

R.Lisker, E. Ramirez, and V. Babinsky. 1996. “Genetic Structure of Autochtonous populations of Mesoamerica:Mexico,” [u]Human Biology[[/u] 68 (#3): 395-404. (properly cited)

Winters also like to play around with definitions to obscure. MESTIZO is defined as European + Indian; Nobody but Winters uses the term “mongoloid Native Americans”, which already presupposes what he intends to prove. MULATTO is defined as Black + white. Then there is African + Indian., and finally the trihybrid European + Black + Indian.

Table 2 in Lisker says

group black ... Indian… white

Paraiso 0.217... 0.474… 0.309
El Carmen 0.284… 0.432… 0.284
Veracruz 0.256 …. 0.394… 0.350
Saladero 0.302… 0.386… 0.312
Tamiahua 0.405… 0.307… 0.288

Aha! This could only happen after the arrival of the Spanish and African slaves. It is meaningless for the purposes Winters wants to use them. Also note there are more whites in Paraiso then blacks (30.9% vs 21.7%). Veracruz (35% vs 25.6%), Saladero (31.2% vs 30.2%). Black and White genetic contributions are the same in El Carmen and the only place there are more blacks is Tamiahua (40.5% vs 28.8).


Actually the more relevant part of the table is also not mentioned by Winters, i.e. not Mestizos, which by definition are already mixed with whites in Colonial Times. What we need is data on INDIAN GROUPS, Lisker Table 2 continues;


group black indian white
Huichol 0.00 0.912 0.088
Totonaco 0.00 0.854 0.146
Chontal 0.050 0.783 0.167
Chol 0.00 0.778 0.222
Zapoteco 0.00 0.741 0.259
Huasteco 0.00 0.627 0.373
Cora 0.008 0.792 0.20

In these Indian groups you get zero African contribution with the exception of the Maya Chontal group at 5% (not very significant); the Chol live in the area of the Classic Maya civilization, the Zapotec live in the area where writing was first found in Mesoamerica, the Totonac are the Indians living in Veracruz--and the better example to use rather then the Veracruz mestizo sample cited by Winters, the Huasteco are the supposedly ancestral Maya speakers just before the Mande came.. The paper points out that populations used were monolingual and identified themselves as Indian-- therefore, if there had been precolumbian African contact in the Maya area these would be the groups where it would show up. It doesn't.

Winters is playing tricks again by omitting the part of the paper he is quoting in support of his position.



Suares-Diaz, E. 2014 “Indigenous populations in Mexico: Medical anthropology in the work of Ruben Lisker in the 1960s,” [u] Studies in History and Philosophy of Biological and Biomedical Sciences [/u]47: 108-117


p. 114 Their area of study focused on the so-called Costa Chica in the Pacific Coast of southern Mexico, Lisker found that hemolytic anemaia was not that common in Mexican indigenous populations, but more interestingly, that the enzyme’s deficiency was correlated with distance to Cuijinicuilapa, a town in which African slaves had settled during colonial times. The farther from Cuijinicuilapa, the lower the frequency of G6PD and HbS; the village of Pochutla, for instance, showing a lower frequency than Ometepec. Using other blood markers, he calculated that in Cuijinicuilapa 56% of the genes are Negroid.


p. 114 These communities lived indifferent regions of the country, including the Northern mountains, and the east and west coast, where slave trade had taken place in the 16th century, according to Aguirre Beltrán. This time, Lisker obtained two thousand blood samples. The results confirmed the hypothesis of the Negro admixture in the west Mexican coast, in some places reaching a level of 40% of admixture. Lisker did not study the country at large. His results apply only to communities where historically we knew that slaves had settled in colonial times

Winters seems to forget that between his "1200 BC Mande" and 2015 there were many centuries where African brought as slaves lived and bred in Mexico.

'
 -


.
No I haven't it is due to the slave trade that many contemprary Mexicans have African features.

Notice, that instead of dealing with his misstatements about Lisker, we get distracting spam.
I made no mistakes on Lisker. The article is on-line so anyone interested can read the article themselves.Lisker has written other articles on the same subject and note the African admixture with Mexicans. You are a liar and a fraud.

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Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl:
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Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
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Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl:
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Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
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Originally posted by the lioness,:
[qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters

Are Mestizos Jealousy of Afro-American History?


Mestizos by definition are people of combined European and Amerindian ancestry

Afro-Americans Americans are primarily African and on average have a smaller amount of European ancestry.
Some have American Indian, Asian and other ancestry but on average, less than the European admixture

Comparitively the average Afro-American has much less indigenous American ancestry than the average mestizo.
That is not suprising

 -
This is an invented graph. Lisker did not use y-chromosomes he used 6GPD


quote:
There is a high frequency of African-Mestizo admixture ranging between 20-40% .
The admixture rate between Africans and indigenous Mexican Indians ranges between 5-50% .

References:


1. Lisker R, et al.(1996). Genetic structure of autochthonous populations of Meso-america:Mexico. Am. J. Hum Biol 68:395-404.

2. Suarez-Diaz,E. (2014) Indigenous populations in Mexico. Medical anthropology in the Work of Ruben Lisker in the 1960's. Studies in History and Philosophy of Biological and Biomedical Sciences 47:108-117.

3. Lisker,R.(1981. Estructura genetia de la poblacion Mexicana. Aspectos Medicos y Anthropologica, Mexico: Salvat.

.

R.Lisker, E. Ramirez, and V. Babinsky. 1996. “Genetic Structure of Autochtonous populations of Mesoamerica:Mexico,” [u]Human Biology[[/u] 68 (#3): 395-404. (properly cited)

Winters also like to play around with definitions to obscure. MESTIZO is defined as European + Indian; Nobody but Winters uses the term “mongoloid Native Americans”, which already presupposes what he intends to prove. MULATTO is defined as Black + white. Then there is African + Indian., and finally the trihybrid European + Black + Indian.

Table 2 in Lisker says

group black ... Indian… white

Paraiso 0.217... 0.474… 0.309
El Carmen 0.284… 0.432… 0.284
Veracruz 0.256 …. 0.394… 0.350
Saladero 0.302… 0.386… 0.312
Tamiahua 0.405… 0.307… 0.288

Aha! This could only happen after the arrival of the Spanish and African slaves. It is meaningless for the purposes Winters wants to use them. Also note there are more whites in Paraiso then blacks (30.9% vs 21.7%). Veracruz (35% vs 25.6%), Saladero (31.2% vs 30.2%). Black and White genetic contributions are the same in El Carmen and the only place there are more blacks is Tamiahua (40.5% vs 28.8).


Actually the more relevant part of the table is also not mentioned by Winters, i.e. not Mestizos, which by definition are already mixed with whites in Colonial Times. What we need is data on INDIAN GROUPS, Lisker Table 2 continues;


group black indian white
Huichol 0.00 0.912 0.088
Totonaco 0.00 0.854 0.146
Chontal 0.050 0.783 0.167
Chol 0.00 0.778 0.222
Zapoteco 0.00 0.741 0.259
Huasteco 0.00 0.627 0.373
Cora 0.008 0.792 0.20

In these Indian groups you get zero African contribution with the exception of the Maya Chontal group at 5% (not very significant); the Chol live in the area of the Classic Maya civilization, the Zapotec live in the area where writing was first found in Mesoamerica, the Totonac are the Indians living in Veracruz--and the better example to use rather then the Veracruz mestizo sample cited by Winters, the Huasteco are the supposedly ancestral Maya speakers just before the Mande came.. The paper points out that populations used were monolingual and identified themselves as Indian-- therefore, if there had been precolumbian African contact in the Maya area these would be the groups where it would show up. It doesn't.

Winters is playing tricks again by omitting the part of the paper he is quoting in support of his position.



Suares-Diaz, E. 2014 “Indigenous populations in Mexico: Medical anthropology in the work of Ruben Lisker in the 1960s,” [u] Studies in History and Philosophy of Biological and Biomedical Sciences [/u]47: 108-117


p. 114 Their area of study focused on the so-called Costa Chica in the Pacific Coast of southern Mexico, Lisker found that hemolytic anemaia was not that common in Mexican indigenous populations, but more interestingly, that the enzyme’s deficiency was correlated with distance to Cuijinicuilapa, a town in which African slaves had settled during colonial times. The farther from Cuijinicuilapa, the lower the frequency of G6PD and HbS; the village of Pochutla, for instance, showing a lower frequency than Ometepec. Using other blood markers, he calculated that in Cuijinicuilapa 56% of the genes are Negroid.


p. 114 These communities lived indifferent regions of the country, including the Northern mountains, and the east and west coast, where slave trade had taken place in the 16th century, according to Aguirre Beltrán. This time, Lisker obtained two thousand blood samples. The results confirmed the hypothesis of the Negro admixture in the west Mexican coast, in some places reaching a level of 40% of admixture. Lisker did not study the country at large. His results apply only to communities where historically we knew that slaves had settled in colonial times

Winters seems to forget that between his "1200 BC Mande" and 2015 there were many centuries where African brought as slaves lived and bred in Mexico.

'
 -


.
No I haven't it is due to the slave trade that many contemprary Mexicans have African features.

. made no mistakes on Lisker. The article is on-line so anyone interested can read the article themselves.Lisker has written other articles on the same subject and note the African admixture with Mexicans. You are a liar and a fraud.
Diistracting ad hominem- yes people absolutely should check Lisker.1995. Instead , How do you explain a plot of Y-chromosomes when Lisker did not have the equipment to do tho and used frequencies of 6GPD ins tread?
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Mestizo should see the Black Native Americans as their ancestors and they shouldn't erased them from history like the Europeans did to black civilizations worldwide because of envy and jealousy.

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Stupid Euronut! These two were descendents of the Aztecs. They look just like the original sttlers of Mexico.

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Look at the nose and hair of the Aztec couple and compare it to the Aztecs you can clearly see the common ancestry of these people. Stop posting pictures of people who lived in the Aztec empire instead of the true Aztecs depicted below.

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History is never neutral, as a result it is the highest point of propaganda. WE have been lied too by the Academe. In school you learn that the Native Americans were all mongoloid people. But this is false. There were Black Native Americans. This was especially true of the Aztecs. Archaeological evidence, Mayan and Spanish descriptions of the Aztec, and pictorial evidence from the codexes indicate they were Black.

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The Spanish described the Aztec as follows: “The people of this land are well made, rather tall than short. They are swarthy as leopards (see below), of good manners and gestures, for the greater part very skillful, robust, and tireless, and at the same time the most moderate men known. They are very warlike and face death with the greatest resolution” See: Daily Life of the Aztecs – Scribd, www.scribd.com/doc/116295428/Daily-Life-of-the-Aztecs
As you can see it was the Spanish who described the Aztecs as “swarthy” or black like leopards and jaguars.

The African or negro character of the Aztecs is supported by Mexican statements about the Aztecs and the codexes. The Maya called the Aztecs xilaan “curly or frizzy hair”, which is characteristic of Sub-Saharan Africans. In addition we find Black/Negro/African people in the Mexican codexes including Codex Telleriano and Codex Mendoza.
In addition to the textual evidence of Blacks in Mexico we also iconographic evidence from Mayan sub-pyramids of Blacks. For example, there are pictures of black scientists and chief from Xultun pyramid.

The archaeological, textual, and linguistic evidence make it clear the Aztecs were probably Black.The description of the Aztecs by the Spanish and Maya as black and frizzy haired match the pictures of the last Aztecs.


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Stupid Euronut! These two were descendents of the Aztecs. They look just like the original sttlers of Mexico.

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Look at the nose and hair of the Aztec couple and compare it to the Aztecs you can clearly see the common ancestry of these people. Stop posting pictures of people who lived in the Aztec empire instead of the true Aztecs depicted below.

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History is never neutral, as a result it is the highest point of propaganda. WE have been lied too by the Academe. In school you learn that the Native Americans were all mongoloid people. But this is false. There were Black Native Americans. This was especially true of the Aztecs. Archaeological evidence, Mayan and Spanish descriptions of the Aztec, and pictorial evidence from the codexes indicate they were Black.

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The Spanish described the Aztec as follows: “The people of this land are well made, rather tall than short. They are swarthy as leopards (see below), of good manners and gestures, for the greater part very skillful, robust, and tireless, and at the same time the most moderate men known. They are very warlike and face death with the greatest resolution” See: Daily Life of the Aztecs – Scribd, www.scribd.com/doc/116295428/Daily-Life-of-the-Aztecs
As you can see it was the Spanish who described the Aztecs as “swarthy” or black like leopards and jaguars.

The African or negro character of the Aztecs is supported by Mexican statements about the Aztecs and the codexes. The Maya called the Aztecs xilaan “curly or frizzy hair”, which is characteristic of Sub-Saharan Africans. In addition we find Black/Negro/African people in the Mexican codexes including Codex Telleriano and Codex Mendoza.
In addition to the textual evidence of Blacks in Mexico we also iconographic evidence from Mayan sub-pyramids of Blacks. For example, there are pictures of black scientists and chief from Xultun pyramid.

The archaeological, textual, and linguistic evidence make it clear the Aztecs were probably Black.The description of the Aztecs by the Spanish and Maya as black and frizzy haired match the pictures of the last Aztecs.

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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
[QB] Stupid Euronut! These two were descendents of the Aztecs. They look just like the original sttlers of Mexico.

Look at the nose and hair of the Aztec couple and compare it to the Aztecs you can clearly see the common ancestry of these people.

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^ Maximo and Bartola





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Maximo at a younger age


^^^ Looks nothing at all like an African. These are Central American people, mentally retarded with a sever birth defect called Microcephaly. Clyde and Mike have done zero research on these people, don't even no their names. They don't even have afros. Their hair is frizzed up to make them look exotic as did P.T. Barnum with his other human "exhibits" Circassian "moss-haired girls". We can clearly from the child aged photo of Massimo he had wavy straight hair.
Even if they had true curly hair they did not look at all like Africans. Yall is stupid




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^ As we see here everybody here, dark or lighter has hair that is hanging down no indication that it is afro hair.
Also note the lower two rows of figures. their bodies are dark but their faces are light !!!
That is because painted their bodies dark, you silly fools.
We can also look at other codex pictures where the aggressor and victim are both the lighter color


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an African man

^^^ Were the Spanish stunned when they first saw the Aztecs and reported they looked just like Africans ???
No they did not because they didn't look just like Africans, they looked like Central Americans


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^^^ See this guy? He is quite swarthy. He would not be mistaken for Asian , African or European

He looks like a Central American, they have their own distinctive looks that come from living there for thousands of years

But Clyde and Mike are trying to rob Peter to pay Paul.

It's the ongoing identity crisis with black people.
Imagining you are not African is an art form now. You let your imagination run wild and people love it.


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^^ Look at this. What proud Afrocentric would call their book "We are not just Africans" ???

Look at the wording "just Africans" as if being African by itself is not enough, not something to be proud of, lacking in some way.

Would Chinese Americans or Mexican Americans who might have some admixture go around writing books called "We are not just Chinese" ? or "We are not just Mexicans"

Only Black people in America do that. Why?
It's called P.T.S.S.
“Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome"

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The Spanish described the Aztec as follows: “The people of this land are well made, rather tall than short. They are swarthy as leopards (see below), of good manners and gestures, for the greater part very skillful, robust, and tireless, and at the same time the most moderate men known. They are very warlike and face death with the greatest resolution” See: Daily Life of the Aztecs – Scribd, www.scribd.com/doc/116295428/Daily-Life-of-the-Aztecs

As you can see it was the Spanish who described the Aztecs as “swarthy” or black like leopards and jaguars.

The African or negro character of the Aztecs is supported by Mexican statements about the Aztecs and the codexes. The Maya called the Aztecs xilaan “curly or frizzy hair”, which is characteristic of many Afro-Americans.


lioness Stupid Euronut. Maximo looks just like other Aztec Black Native Americans with wavy or frizzed hair.

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Wavy is the Definition of Frizzy hair .

Some Africans have wavy hair, but Wavy hair was common to Aztec Afro-Americans as depicted in the Aztec codex provided earlier.

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Learn more about Black Native Americans in my recent book.

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Stop spreading your Euronut lies.

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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

Negro means Black-Stupid

lioness Stupid Euronut. Maximo looks just like other Aztec Black Native Americans with wavy or frizzed hair.

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Clyde, normal people don't think Maximo looks Black or Negro have you lost your mind?

It's better to admit you are mistaken at this point becuase if you keep going people are going to think DR. Clyde Winters doesn't have the foggiest idea of what a Black person looks like

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lioness is not a normal person. She can not tell the difference between an Afro-American and an American Indian.


quote:
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No they did not report that because they didn't look just like Africans,
-they looked like Central Americans


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^^^ See this guy? He is quite swarthy. He would not be mistaken for Asian , African or European

He looks like a Central American, they have their own distinctive looks that come from living there for thousands of years

But Clyde and Mike are trying to rob Peter to pay Paul.

It's the ongoing identity crisis with black people.
Imagining you are not African is an art form now. You let your imagination run wild and people love it.


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^^ Look at this. What proud Afrocentric would call their book "We are not just Africans" ???

Look at the wording "just Africans" as if being African by itself is not enough, not something to be proud of, lacking in some way.

Would Chinese Americans or Mexican Americans who might have some admixture go around writing books called "We are not just Chinese" ? or "We are not just Mexicans"

Only Black people in America do that. Why?
It's called P.T.S.S.
“Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome"

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lioness stop spreading Eurocentric lies! This guy is a Central American mongoloid American Indian--not a Black Native American like the Aztecs and Maximo.

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A negro or Black is a person with:

1) Direct African ancestry

2) Brown to yellow complexion.

3) Long limbs

4) shape of the head and face varies

5) flat to semi pointed nose ( traditionally some Negro/Black people like to pinch the noses of their children )with dark skin


Here is a picture of several Wolof engaged in a conversation. Note the individuals in the picture the person in the center facing you appears to have a flat nose; whereas the person facing the center person has a nose which appears to be semi-pointed.This highlights the various nose types found among negroes.

6) curly to straight hair

7) round to slanted eyes depending on the Negro group

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Note the varying shape of the eyes evident in these negroes.

8) thick of thin lips

Some people believe that Filipino and other Asian people can be classified as Negroes because of their dark color. But a careful examination of the two clearly demonstrates differences between both group in facial features eventhough the shape of the eye may be the same.
Tanzanian
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Filipino

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Look at differences in the form of the head, forehead and mouth. Note both have flat noses but they are clearly different in how they are established.

Both children are handsome and well proportioned . Note also the color both are brown but the African has a more richer brown complexion.


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quote:
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Negro means Black-Stupid

lioness Stupid Euronut. Maximo looks just like other Aztec Black Native Americans with wavy or frizzed hair.

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Clyde, normal people don't think Maximo looks Black or Negro have you lost your mind?

It's better to admit you are mistaken at this point becuase if you keep going people are going to think DR. Clyde Winters doesn't have the foggiest idea of what a Black person looks like


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Interesting but how would you describe this batek lady,I can't post pictures that well.
http://68.media.tumblr.com/2a5542f6b3bfac098fbde3ef10837099/tumblr_n0jio5OGKo1t0u74to1_1280.jpg

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quote:
Originally posted by Thereal:
Interesting but how would you describe this batek lady,I can't post pictures that well.
http://68.media.tumblr.com/2a5542f6b3bfac098fbde3ef10837099/tumblr_n0jio5OGKo1t0u74to1_1280.jpg

Wut Up Thereal,

Assisting you on your picture

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Clyde who looks more similar to A

B or C ?

Do we need to go on?

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quote:
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Clyde who looks more similar to A

B or C ?

Do we need to go on?

Stupid Euronut all Black people don't look alike except too you racist.


I choose D.



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Maximo and his Aztec sister looks just like the ancient Cherla Afro-American tribe of Mexico.


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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by kdolo:
....could be....

Mestizos and mestizo oriented cultures tend to vigourously protect and advocate White Supremacy....as vigoursly as Whites...

They are usually quite happy being subordinate to Whites and see it as the most natural thing in the World.

Nothing disturbs them more than to see the "darkies" getting out of line...acting up...being "arrogante" as they say in Spanish.

They entire Spanish new world culture is based on this concept

Well said kdolo:

Often times the "near" (near White) mulatto is the Black mans greatest enemy. He values his position nearest the White man, and will defend that position vigorously.

Intelligent Blacks laugh at both of them, and I think intelligent White women do too - especially in the west.

However, as usual, Africans don't get the joke.

Some of we Africans get the joke, because we have received Special Knowledge of Self. Therefore, we can value what is discussed here, without having had a long-term direct interaction with White People in their own country.
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MAXIMO
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Maximo as a child

Clyde let's finish this plain and single.
Is the above person Negroid, yes or no ?

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Clyde - Please note that by engaging with lioness, you gave he/her opening and opportunity to completely obfuscate the threads meaning. So that now, rather than being about Mestizos and Blacks, it is about people with microcephaly.
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Bernardo Ortiz de Montellano RIP

Sad to learn this guy died. He published some good papers debunking Clyde's Afrolunacy.

https://sacnas.org/news/ortiz-de-montellano

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quote:
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Bernardo Ortiz de Montellano RIP

Sad to learn this guy died. He published some good papers debunking Clyde's Afrolunacy.

https://sacnas.org/news/ortiz-de-montellano

He never published one paper refuting my work. Cite any paper he published refuting my work.

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