George Washinton had a mulatto complexion, so he could have been very dark. The images with a heraldic Moor, misunderstood as if he was posing with a very miniature slave, were to show his noble ancestry. He belonged to both European African tribes; the nobility and the bourgeoisie.
This thread is to discuss method.
Most Americans know this figure and will read the documents in google saying he, and his peers in the army wear brown and black of complexion. The people who hired them were instructed to take only men who were brown or black.
SO IF WE ARE GOING TO END RACISM TODAY WE HAVE TO INSTRUCT PEOPLE TO ASK; IF GOOD OLE WASHINGTON WAS BLACK, THEN WHY THE HELL DO YOU SHOW US A PINK FELLA?
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What do you think of Tom Jefferson's more than likely mixed ethnic heritage? Quadroon perhaps was 'ol' Tom? These relevations would have many screaming that socialists are altering history...eh too bad lol.Washington & Jefferson mixed breed "fathers of the nation"... sounds like a book/movie deal.
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An interesting concept Egmond, I never thought of it that way. But logically it does make sense, people who had the courage and intelligence to construct the beginnings of the U.S. would not likely be like a modern Southern cracker or redneck. Rather, they would likely be more like the Black creators of civilization.
And since this forum has spent years uncovering the lies and falsehoods created by the Albinos to conceal the actual Blackness of the important people in history, well, this would just be more of the same.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: An interesting concept Egmond, I never thought of it that way. But logically it does make sense, people who had the courage and intelligence to construct the beginnings of the U.S. would not likely be like a modern Southern cracker or redneck. Rather, they would likely be more like the Black creators of civilization.
And since this forum has spent years uncovering the lies and falsehoods created by the Albinos to conceal the actual Blackness of the important people in history, well, this would just be more of the same.
An Interesting concept? I did not come up with an concept. If you have a theory it will perform under the right condition. The European elite numbered 3 percent and they led the colonisationS. In Europe bourgeoisie and nobility fought for power and American republicans lead by bourgeoisie who were allowed to do trade, fought for independence.
The colonist, the slave masters were all brown and black complexioned European Africans. The pinks were European serfs, paraiahs and known as WHITE TRASH. There were NO pink slavemasters...
So Washington and all US president till in the 20th century were brown or black complexioned, and did not mix with pinks who were considered SUBHUMAN TILL 1848.
i DO NOT THINK THAT A PINK PERSON IS SUBHUMAN? BUT THE MASTERS TILL 1848 THOUGHT SO...
So this thread is how we can finally put an end to RACISM. Pinks can do little for us. I assume most pinks in the world are poor as Blacks are.
Its the museum curators and the people that restore peeling paintings that are in the know.
We need a different approach, Blacks did it to themselves. To claim pinks did it, is giving power to people who are nothing in this world.
Blacks neeD to go to museums, peer at the over paints, they are like a black person wearing pink make up, you still see the black skin underneath, AND ASK QUESTIONs.
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As a researcher I synthesize information from sources. Some people ask me for sources and think I am kopiing some pink professor. I am not.
If you google [B][/B] George Washington and complexion you find many documents. It was something of importance as they would not have a pink officer in their army.
The documents must be well understood as words often had different meaning. He had a MULATTO COMPLEXION does not mean he was a Mulatto. His complexion was between ivory (light beige) and dark brown to black. He was not jet black, but somewhat lighter.
Americans who pay taxes for the upkeep of museums should ask why a man described as dark brown is shown as pink to the paying public. This will lead to the end of racism. The faking of history must be brought to attention...no fighting or killing, just a raised eyebrow..
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This is a overpaint. Under the fake pink layer is a brown or black layer. They did not change the contours, so we still see the classical Black facial traits. There are still not retouched paintings on the web. I have collected those of the VAN AERSSEN VAN BEYEREN collection. I have better copies to scan, and devoted a publication to this collection. Anybody can see if the paint had darkened or the people were blacks.
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Cut the lying you stupid White people hating, Black racist, Black supremacist idiot. You don't want to end racism, you simply want the racism to be on White people instead. You most certainly do think Whites are subhuman & inferior you lying Black racist twit. Washington was in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM Black or mulatto. We are NOT pinks we are Whites you Black racist, Black supremacist, White people hating POS.
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This is what all old master paintings looked like, showing the bron and black complexioned elite of Europe. Rembrandt put the blackest one in the most important spot on a painting.
This is what the slavemasters looked like. They were never pink, as till 1848 pinks were slaves in Europe and shoeleather, not considered human.
Syndics of the clothmakers guild (1662)
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Another innovation by me is calling pinks by their proper color as PINKS. I follow Jane Austen who called them pink.
Whites are some North Africans who have a truly ivory skin. In Holland I seldom see a white skinned pink. They are red or purple or some other terrible color.
The white race was created to give pinks human status, and they used images of Greeks and ivory skinned Africans to make this white race.
When one will travel to North Africa, there is something else they never talk about. An ivory skinned person can have a extremely black skinned sibling, parent; child. And they all mix so anything might pop out. This you do not see with pinks who are uniformerly pink.
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Cut the lying you stupid White people hating, Black racist, Black supremacist idiot. You don't want to end racism, you simply want the racism to be on White people instead. You most certainly do think Whites are subhuman & inferior you lying Black racist twit. Washington was in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM Black or mulatto. BTW if what you say is true then it was YOU who genocided the Amerindians, maybe this "truth" of yours should get around so everyone knows that all the attrocities attributed to us Whites including the transatlantic slave trade were actually committed by you Blacks & you are just allowing us to be your scapegoats & allowing us to take the blame for what YOU did LOL. As I said you White people hating racist moron, you don't want equality you want Blacks on top, Whites on the very bottom. You don't want to end racism you simply want racism only towards Whites. You don't want to end so called White supremacy, you simply want it reversed to Black supremacy.
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Mike111, I have been using this image from some time never knowing it was fro your realhistory site.
This is a whitened image of the royal family and they are light skinned NEGROES.
The king is prognastic, others not. In the west they do not show him in profile. He is light brown, a brother Moulay Rashid is very dark. They seem to have married some pink women. The French told them they is whites, and they call the West Africans and such AFRICANS. I guess the albinos made a top in North Africa on their way to Central Asia. Moroccans are fully African; no mixing with pinks, no matter thos ivory white in winter. In summer they all tan, and only look prettier...
King Mohamed VI is often depicted as white, but he is light brown. They show the same carelesness about depicting complexion as the European nobility. Some bleach, some women were light make up and they prefer a white skin. But the majority is brown. They do not sho Black beaty in the media, but will have American Blacks in music clips, bleaching their own dark skinned artist. Saudi TV show Black men and fair skinned women. Fat Black man shaking their huge behinds on Saudie TV, a sight to behold. Women sit and smile, no female dancing or ass shaking over there...
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I laughed when I saw this because its part of my daily life here in Marrakech with them SANDNIGGERS. They are gorgeous to look at, and some days I stay at home in order not to be tempted. They are like us, but you see they veil their faces to shake the ass like there is no tomorrow.
Do we need more proof they are light skinned negroes. I feel these hard huge asses rubbing against me in the bus. One does not acknowledge things like this, one does not engage a strange woman, ever.
When they know you, they speak to you after making sure you will not hit on them. So they can start the flirting, and say scandalous things to you.
Both men and woman flirt and I am at a dangerous old age for people to be flirting with me...
I left the house to do shopping, a horse car loaded with veggies nearby. I collected some and pointed to the carrots. The young guy picked up a huge carrot and handed it to me with a smile as if we were engaged in the middle of the street in a very lewd act. I picked up a cucumber to perform my own lewd act and we laughed out loud. I try to behave as they are supposed to be strict Muslims, but they always lead me astray.
The backsides are a constant source of delight and I will jump at any opportunity to grab a muslim ass, as you now they are very clean so sitting on my face is welcomed...here in the hot desert. The silky gowns they were do nothing to hide their assets and with the guys its like Idris Elba all the time. And like the Surinamese these men are always groping themselves...
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Moulay or Prince Rashid. I was told he was the darkest one in the family. Here is een marrying his niece Lalla or Princess Om Khaltoum.
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That is a Black complexion NOT Mulatto !!! George Washington was full blooded North African, it's documented
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That is a Black complexion NOT Mulatto !!! George Washington was full blooded North African, it's documented
If you google George Washington + complexion you will see many documents that testify to his having a MULATTO COMPLEXION. This does not mean he was a mulatto, just he was not light beige or very black skinned. He was like me, dark brown.
The little heraldic Moor on some portraits are to symbolise his noble ancestry, they are god forbids not a slave nor his Black son West Ford.
All founding fathers of the US were BLACK EUROPEANS. PINKS WERE CONSIDERED white trash TILL 1848.
Now how come white trash is todays superior human in just 166 years?
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This is Moulay Rashid, the very dark brother of the King of Morocco.
This here photo is doctored to make him light looking next to the very black person, to show that North Africans are whites.
Like hell they are....
You could google Moulay Rashid and look at all his portraits. They avoid profile shots so we cannot see if they have subnasal prognathism, these light skinned negroes.
But it shows the pinks are still at it, while Blacks go on murdering each other.
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Mike111, I have been using this image from some time never knowing it was fro your realhistory site.
This is a whitened image of the royal family and they are light skinned NEGROES.
The king is prognastic, others not. In the west they do not show him in profile. He is light brown, a brother Moulay Rashid is very dark. They seem to have married some pink women. The French told them they is whites, and they call the West Africans and such AFRICANS. I guess the albinos made a top in North Africa on their way to Central Asia. Moroccans are fully African; no mixing with pinks, no matter thos ivory white in winter. In summer they all tan, and only look prettier...
King Mohamed VI is often depicted as white, but he is light brown. They show the same carelesness about depicting complexion as the European nobility. Some bleach, some women were light make up and they prefer a white skin. But the majority is brown. They do not sho Black beaty in the media, but will have American Blacks in music clips, bleaching their own dark skinned artist. Saudi TV show Black men and fair skinned women. Fat Black man shaking their huge behinds on Saudie TV, a sight to behold. Women sit and smile, no female dancing or ass shaking over there...
The elderly lady second from left is the Kings Mother. No official mention of her as such, as Moroccan Kings never acknowledged a marriage before this here present king introduced his wife Lalla Salma. She is just consort but in the west they call her Queen. His brother married publicly but we cannot be sure if she is his first or only wife. Marriage is a truly private affair. Family law was changed and now no man can go and secretly marry a second woman, without asking his first wife for permission.
And the men complain...
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This is Moulay Rashid, the very dark brother of the King of Morocco.
This here photo is doctored to make him light looking next to the very black person, to show that North Africans are whites.
Like hell they are....
You could google Moulay Rashid and look at all his portraits. They avoid profile shots so we cannot see if they have subnasal prognathism, these light skinned negroes.
But it shows the pinks are still at it, while Blacks go on murdering each other.
That is a Black complexion NOT Mulatto !!! George Washington was full blooded North African, it's documented
If you google George Washington + complexion you will see many documents that testify to his having a MULATTO COMPLEXION. This does not mean he was a mulatto, just he was not light beige or very black skinned. He was like me, dark brown.
quote: The earliest known description of Washington was written in 1760 by his companion-in-arms and friend George Mercer, who attempted a "portraiture" in the following words: "He may be described as being as straight as an Indian, measuring six feet two inches in his stockings, and weighing 175 pounds when he took his seat in the House of Burgesses in 1759. His frame is padded with well-developed muscles, indicating great strength. His bones and joints are large, as are his feet and hands. He is wide shouldered, but has not a deep or round chest; is neat waisted, but is broad across the hips, and has rather long legs and arms. His head is well shaped though not large, but is gracefully poised on a superb neck. A large and straight rather than prominent nose; blue-gray penetrating eyes, which are widely separated and overhung by a heavy brow. His face is long rather than broad, with high round cheek bones, and terminates in a good firm chin. He has a clear though rather a colorless pale skin, which burns with the sun. A pleasing, benevolent, though a commanding countenance, dark brown hair, which he wears in a cue. His mouth is large and generally firmly closed, but which from time to time discloses some defective teeth. His features are regular and placid, with all the muscles of his face under perfect control, though flexible and expressive of deep feeling when moved by emotion. In conversation he looks you full in the face, is deliberate, deferential and engaging. His voice is agreeable rather than strong. His demeanor at all times composed and dignified. His movements and gestures are graceful, his walk majestic, and he is a splendid horseman."
Maybe you can direct us to the other quote links where he is described as having a mulatto complexion
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The forum was not originally black supremacist, despite having a few Afrocentric members (their posts in threads that debated the ancient Egyptian race controversy and racial topics in general were formerly moderated). However the admin and owner of the forum "Sammy" left in September 2008, writing he could no longer keep up with moderation: “”Maybe we should start charging them to make you happy. $10 a month for each member then I can pay for a full time staff to sit here and monitor what everyone says.[1] Only one mod "Ausar" (aka "Ardo") from 2009-2014 posted on the forum, but rarely logged in. The lack of moderation led to black supremacists dominating the forum, and there have been many issues with libelous threads being created about members, racism, anti-Semitism, other inflammatory posts, doxxing and the posting of pornography. Realizing the forum is a dump, in Oct-Nov, 2014 "Ausar" passed his account (via password) to a black supremacist poster (alTakruri, Tukuler).[2] Nearly all remaining posters at Egyptsearch, are Afrocentrist cranks. An exception is B. O. de Montellano who posts as "Quetzalcoatl", and refutes Clyde Winters.[3][4] [edit]See also
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They did not include Mike111...
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We will keep on looking, for things dissapear when I mention these state secrets.
For now we know that the other members of his class were brown complexioned, and the ones who hired them were instructed to only take brown ones as officers...
People will notice there are many different descriptions of his person. ometimes a brown or black person is also perceived as PALE... tHE FACT HE WAS BROWN OR BLACK WAS A GIVEN BUT WITHIN THIS RANGE HE WAS PERCEIVED AS PALE...
I have many times named Jane Austen as a source and she discusses complexion in a completely different way then we do today.
Next the word beauty was reserved for a very light beige, ivory skin. Others were pretty, handsome, lovely etc.
Yet Austen breaks ranks when she wrote about Emma Woodhouse in Emma: She is loveliness itself.
If one reads the novel and compares descriptions, Emma Woodhouse is very dark, almost black like Austens mother, with the hazel eyes of Austen and her father, who was a trustee to an Antiguan plantation...
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Nicolas Martiau George Washington Mulato grand father.
George Washington son West Ford
George Washington black son West Ford
Black descendant of George Washington. son West Ford.
Did George Washington the so-called first president of the United States descend from French Muurs? Did he ascend back to the Muurs?
Muslim Moor:
Context:In the early 16th century south of France was indundated with Moorish people. Some of these Moors came with the 7th century invasion from Africa. Others were indigenous peoples of South of France, who had lived there for thousands and thousands of years. Recall that the humans left Africa and populated Europe beginning with southern Europe then onward to the uttermost north.
Was the bloodline of George Washington from one of those Moorish families? Now, disabuse your mind of earlier programming, come with an inquisitive and inquiring man and let us together embark on a sojourn to the past.
Let’s take a look at the man Nicolas Martiau.
Voici, la statue en bronze du buste de Nicolas Martiau, oeuvre de Désiré Bardot, au jardin de la barbette situé sur le front de mer, face au port.
There was a distinct French Huguenot strain in the lineage of Governor Washington. It came to him from his first American ancestor, Nicolas Martiau, a Huguenot refugee who came to Virginia in 1620. This resulted in Washington’s blend of Cavalier and Huguenot.
Coinage Nicolas Martiau
Martiau, who was the personal representative of Henry, Fifth Earl of Huntington, was naturalized in England before coming to Virginia. He served in the House of Burgesses, and was appointed a justice. He was a member of the Virginia Company.
Henry sent Martiau and another to Virginia at his own expense to protect his trade there and build fortifications where necessary. The Earl apparently obtained for Martiau, the special form of naturalization granted only by proclamation. This gave him the right to acquire property and privilege to vote and hold office.
Martiau was 33 years old, when he arrived Virginia in the sailing ship, Francis Bona Ventura – one of 153 passengers. He selected places for palisades and fortifications at Yorktown; at Fort Story; and at Old Point Comfort, Fort Monroe, one of the oldest forts in America.
In 1632, Martiau took his seat in the House of Burgesses as a representative from Yorktown and Isle of Kent.
The Martiau Plantation comprised 1300 acres including the site of Yorktown. For his dwelling, he selected the high bluff on the curve of the York River as it widens to the Chesapeake Bay. This patent is in the Land Office at Richmond, and contains his family’s name.
His will is on file in the State Library. In his will, he provides for, and sets free his two so-called Negro servants and bequeaths legacies on them (they were probably two black Europeans like himself, who had served him all his life). This gesture antedated similar actions by George Washington a century and a half later. Washington was one of the first slave owners – if not the first to do so.
The Courts of Virginia were much like county courts of England. The first court at which Martiau sat was July 12, 1633. His last appearance was on Sept. 24, 1655. Occasionally, the court met at Martiau’s home. Martiau’s wife was the widow of an army lieutenant. Nothing is known of her arrival, or of her maiden name. (From all indications she must have been a white European lower class girl). It seems that the family name of the earliest maternal ancestor in Virginia of George Washington, must remain unknown.
Jane Martiau died before 1640, and was buried most likely in the family burial plot not far from the big house. Also buried there are Captain Nicolas Martiau Sr., and his son, Nicolas Martiau Jr., who never attained majority. Other children were Elizabeth, (married to Col George Reade. Mary) married to Col. John Scarsbrook, leader in Bacon’s Rebellion, Sarah was married to Capt. William Fuller, Puritan Governor of Maryland.
The gravestones of Elizabeth Martiau, and her husband, Colonel George Read, are in Yorktown’s Grace Episcopal Church graveyard. The ledgers were discovered during excavations on Buckner Street, Yorktown. They were restored and preserved in 1931 by another Martiau descendant – Letitia Pate Evans. The colonial town’s Read Street is named for Colonel Read, according to a native Yorktownian.
Postscripts:
Incidentally, George Washington the most famous descendant of Nicolas Martiau fathered a son with Venus, a young slave who lived on the estate of his half brother John Augustine Washington.
Venus’s son with George Washington, who was called West Ford. His descendants are still alive today and their two centuries old family tradition has been researched and verified.
Descendants of West Ford
What a way blood goes around like a river, proving the saying, what flows around, comes around
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I like to see King Mohammed VI of Morocco wearing his traditional Moorish robe. The Brown Moorish King Mohammed VI is the only ruling African King. The King of Swaziland is in a landlock country, Swaziland is probably a protectorat. The Ethiopian monarchy was deposed by the military. The Moorish Royal family of Morocco is probably very powerful and well connected.
KingMohammed VI Moorish Robe.
King of Morocco meeting UAE Arab Sheikh
Mulato King of Morocco Mohammed VI meeting Mulato President of the USA Barack Hussein Obama. There is a story that Maurs King Juba II of Mauritania migrated to North America Mississipi area in the classical era. The American Moorish science states that the King of Morocco authorized the British to colonized North America. They say some Moors were living in the USA during the colonial era.
The portrait of George Washington above King Mohammed Vi of Morocco and the USA Pres Barack Obama
Two Moors Brown Moors King Mohammed VI, Black Moors Senegalese President
King Mohammed VI meeting Prince Charles of England.
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Black Moorish King Moulay Rashid King Mohammed VI of Morocco grand grand grand father founder of the Alawite Dynsty that currently rule Morocco.
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Egghead you're an idiot. That West Ford was NOT George Washington's son, Washington had NO children as he was STERILE, so he has NO blood descendants.
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1. Oral history for two branches of Ford's descendants who only met each other in 1994.
2. Bushrod Washington, Washington's nephew, explicitly provided for Ford in his will. He left him land.
This proves that at the very least, West was family....a Washington.
"Linda Allen Bryant wrote the book “I Cannot Tell A Lie.” Published in 2004, it tells the story of how, in 1784, George Washington fathered a boy named West Ford through a slave named Venus. A direct descendent of Ford, Bryant bases her claim on her family’s 200-year-old oral history and on evidence showing that the Washington family afforded special treatment to West Ford. A local historian in Fairfax County, Virginia, discovered a freed slave register that proved that West Ford had been the slave of Hannah Bushrod Washington (1738-1801), wife of George Washington’s brother John. Commenting on Bryant’s claim, Dennis J. Pogue, Associate Director for Preservation at Mount Vernon said, “We at Mount Vernon believe that there is no evidence, other than the Ford family oral history, to support the claim that George Washington was the father of West Ford. To the contrary, we believe that when all of the evidence is examined carefully, there is considerable circumstantial evidence to contradict the claim ... There is some pretty strong evidence suggesting that West Ford may have been the son of another member of the Washington family.” He did not elaborate."
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I WOULD WISH THE FRIENDS HERE WOULD FIND A WAY TO RETRIEVE THE DOCUMENT SAYING WASHINGTON HAD A MULATTO COMPLEXION ...i HEARD THAT NOTHING GETS LOST ON INTERNET..THERE IS A SECONDAY INTERNET..PLEASE HELP US...LET THIS NOT THE END OF THIS COUPE OF OURS...THE aMERICAN FOUNDING FATHERS WERE AFRICAN eUROPEANS? DEFINED AS BLACK CAUCASIANS AND THEN TURNED PINK...
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tHE PHOTO AT THE WHITE HOUSE OF GEORGE WASHINGTON SHOWS A OVER PAINT OF A BLACK PORTRAIT.
My email to Obama asked him to look at all the portraits at the white house and confirm hey are over paints. You all are asked to go to a museum and review the PHYSICAL evidence.
Your addition to to the unspecified term MOOR makes the whole thing confusing.
A Moor to me is a classical African in European art, an heraldic symbol in art and literature.
Jane Austen has in Emma; Mr.Elton, black, spruce and smiling.
Shakespeare has Hamlet. Cast off thy nighted colour, speaks his mother. He was the Moor in the play, and all were brown or black of complexion.
Moroccan are Berbers and they are light brown, brown, very brown and black of skin. But they show all signs of blackness. They are no pinks, they are wholly from Africa and not mixed wih pinks from Central Asia Mike 1111 tels us about.
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Me? A black supremacist? Ahahaahaaahaaaa!!!!!!!!!!
i AINT A bLACK SUPRMATIST EITHER? JUST STATING THAT THE FOUNDERS OF eUROPE WERE bLACKS AND REGARDED PINK IMMIGRANTS WHO CAME MUCH LATER AS PARIAHS? SERFS AND SHOE LEATHER CATTLE. iT IS ALL THERE IN THE SOURCES...
wE SHOULD WORK TOGETHER..
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