quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] Clyde it depends on percentages A white or black person could be 2% Native American or they could be 20% Native American -big difference Or 0% Most Black people in America are not part native American
See, this is what I mean.
Now how could this lying bitch possibly know
what percentage of native American, Black Americans are, or are not?
It doesn't pay to come up with a logical answer, since the question itself is pure nonsense.
You can tell which continent a person's ancestry is associated with by analyzing their DNA. I have looked at several sources on this. The best sources say we are 65-80% Sub Saharan African, after that around 22% white European, around 2% Native American That is an average, of course individuals may vary.
The way they do this is by comparing African American DNA to the DNA of Africans and others and percentages can be derived from this.
This corresponds to historical information.
So we are dealing with things that can be measured with scientific instruments.
They have for instance mapped the genome of some remains of prehistoric human remains found in Europe and while they may have had dark skin African American DNA does not match their DNA so their is no evedence that African Americans are part native European beyond our mixtures with white Europeans
In other words your ass is mainly African
We Are not Just Africans. The DNA does not prove that Afro-Americans are mainly Africans.You said that
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The best sources say we are 65-80% Sub Saharan African, after that around 22% white European, around 2% Native American
These figures do not make Afro-Americans mainly Africans because the vast majority of Black Native Americans (BNA) living from the Four Corners Region, into the Midwest up into New England and down into the Southeast United States were direct descendents of BNA migrants directly from Africa, the BNA from Washington State down to California were predominately from Melanesia. This means that BNA were already carrying African genes when Europeans brought African slaves to the U.S.A.
The idea that Afro-Americans carry 22% white European genes is bs. The saw called Afro-Americans claimed to be carriers of white genes carry R1-M173, R1-M269 and mtDNA X. This is a joke because the pristine form of R1-M173 is found in Africa, and R1-M269 and X, are all African haplogroups. Finally, the haplogroup carried by AAs that is suppose t be Native American, is mtDNA A, which is also carried by Africans like the Mande.
Your DNA evidence does not indicate that AAs are not BNA, because BNA were carriers of African genes too.
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“It’s the Blackness that scares everybody”: Why white people favor “African-Americans”
The word "Black" can be disruptive, disarming and political. Here's what it really means when I choose to use it
A new study from professor Erika Hall of Emory University’s Goizueta Business School suggests that white people have a far more negative view of the term “Black” than they do of the term “African-American.” For instance, study participants routinely concluded that a person had a higher level of education and job status, if that person was referred to as African-American rather than Black. “Only 38.46% of participants in the Black racial label estimated that the target was in a managerial position, while 73% of the targets in the African-American racial label condition estimated that the target was in a managerial position.” When the study controlled for the alternate use of “white” versus “Caucasian,” there was no significant perception of difference. Study participants also concluded that targets identified as “African-American” were perceived to have a higher socioeconomic status, to generally be more competent, and to have a “warmer” personality.
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The old NOI folks thought that ridding oneself of what they were taught was "The White Mans Names" would free their minds from the White man influence.
Actually, what they did was sink further into the White mans influence:
He had bullshitted them into exchanging their Black names (which he had usurped - along with their European languages) for the letter X, and the names of crazy-assed Arabs - now crazy-assed Black hating mulattoes.
To the point - embracing "Black" as your primary describer carries no such pitfalls. It is powerful and self asserting.
That is why I am always careful to use the term "Negro" for those whose minds are still in bondage - including the Africans so afflicted.
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'He had bullshitted them into exchanging their Black names (which he had usurped - along with their European languages) for the letter X, and the names of crazy-assed Arabs - now crazy-assed Black hating mulattoes. '
Yes.
Trading one slave name for another.
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quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: “It’s the Blackness that scares everybody”: Why white people favor “African-Americans”
The word "Black" can be disruptive, disarming and political. Here's what it really means when I choose to use it
A new study from professor Erika Hall of Emory University’s Goizueta Business School suggests that white people have a far more negative view of the term “Black” than they do of the term “African-American.” For instance, study participants routinely concluded that a person had a higher level of education and job status, if that person was referred to as African-American rather than Black. “Only 38.46% of participants in the Black racial label estimated that the target was in a managerial position, while 73% of the targets in the African-American racial label condition estimated that the target was in a managerial position.” When the study controlled for the alternate use of “white” versus “Caucasian,” there was no significant perception of difference. Study participants also concluded that targets identified as “African-American” were perceived to have a higher socioeconomic status, to generally be more competent, and to have a “warmer” personality.
So true. They prefer African-American because they can visualize native Black Americans as outsiders, i.e., Africans. That is why I have returned to the use of Afro-American and negro to identify native Black Americans, as opposed to the African immigrants who have settled America in the past 30 years.
The term Afra-American/Afro-American was first used during the Harlem and Chicago Black Renaissance 1920-1950. During this period Harlem and Chicago were cultural centers, naturing black writers, artists, musicians, photographers, poets, and scholars. Whites hate the term Afro-American because it acknowledges our African heritage, while it firmly sets forth the fact that we are American.
Whites like to feel that America is their land. They promote the mongoloid Native Americans because they were predominately nomads who practice a mixed hunter-agro culture. Except for the mongoloid Indians who joined Black Native American Confederacies of the Five Civilized Tribes, and Mongoloid Indians who settled in the Four Corners region, mongoloid Indians hunted, and usually obtained the three sisters; beans, maize and squash from Black Native Americans.
Black Native Americans (BNA) were farmers. As a result, whites had to fight BNA to take their land. Sadly, whites were able to use Mongoloid and Black Native Americans to fight other Mongoloid and Black Native American tribes from the Midwest down into the Southeast U.S.A., Once a tribe was weakened the whites ignored treaties, if any had been made, and took the BNA lands and classified the Black Native Americans as "free colored" to steal not only their lands, but also their heritage.
Whites exterminating the Black Native Americans during the 1621 Thanksgiving
Alphose de Quatrefages, claimed that the black tribes of Latin America include the Choco, Manabis, Yaruras, Guarani, Charrus, Yamasee and Tzendal Chontal, in addition to numerous ethnic groups along the Orinoco river in Venezuela, and the Isthmus of Darien. The major Native American confederations were made up of Black and Mongoloid Native Americans. These confederations include the Iroquois, Muskhoean and Algonquin. Because they were blood-brothers Black and Mongoloid Native Americans often shared the same names for their tribes.
Some of the Black Native American tribes were the Blackfeet, Cree, Choctaw , Costanoan , Kashita (Kauche-te), Lenape, Manokin, Mendica , Nanticoke , Narragansett , Naudowessie , Nianties , Ohlone , Patawomeck, Pequot , Ramapo, Shinnecock, Seneca, Seminoles, Secolan, Tamacraw, Tsoyaha, Tuscarora , Wampanoag ( or Pokanoket), Washitaw (or Ouachita), Yamasee , and Yuchi. The Black Native Americans cultivated the “Three Sisters” – maize, beans and squash.
Many Black Native Americans were “exterminated”. Others were forced into slavery. Between 1670 and 1720 100,000 Native Americans were sold into slavery in the Caribbean. .
Pequot Indian loaded on Ships in Mass. for the voyage to Barbados to be sold as slaves. The women and children were kept as slaves in New England
. Since the ancestors of the Black Native Americans had originated in Africa they began to be identified as slave-Indian, freeman and finally “Colored”. And then as a result of bureaucratic erasure in the public records, the former black Native Americans simply became identified as “Colored”, like the former Sub-Saharan slaves , instead of Native Americans.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Clyde it depends on percentages A white or black person could be 2% Native American or they could be 20% Native American -big difference Or 0% Most Black people in America are not part native American
I disagree. This 2%, 20% part Indian is bs.I believe that 100% of Afro-Americans have Black Native American heritage. This results from the fact that the slaves on the plantations when Africans came to America were already Black Native Americans (BNA). The BNA mated with the African slaves. The white racists to make sure they took the BNA lands often ignored the treaties they made with the BNA from New England down to Florida, by taking the BNA tribesmen captured after a War and enslaving them, while the BNA not enslaved was given the Bible, made Christian, and labled "free colored". Over time, the freed African slaves were also forced to live in the "free colored" communities". In the "free colored" communities BNA and former African slaves mated.
After the Revolutionary War, some BNA moved to Canada with the British. Some of the remaining BNA tribesmen were allowed to live as "free colored" people in places like Seneca Village (the location of today's Central Park), and Martha's Vinyard. In places like Seneca Village and Martha's Vinyard, freed African slaves joined and mated with BNA. These "free colored" communities remained centers of Afro-American commerce and "citizenship", until whites took the land from the Afro-Americans.
Due to the interactions between BNA and African slaves as " free colored" people and slaves on the plantation my guess is that 100% of Afro-Americans have BNA ancestry.
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. Black Native Americans after learning the true intentions of Europeans to take their land fought numerous wars to hold on to their lands. many maroon communities in the caribbean and united states were founded by African and Native American run-away slaves.
During the New England slave trade a 100,000 Black Native Americans were sold into slavery in the Caribbean, especially Barbados. Up to 1770, Black Native Americans had three choices: 1) be exterminated, 2) slavery in the Caribbean or slavery on American Rice, Indigo or Tobacco Plantations, or 3) made into "free colored" people.
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Marking the historical moments when the British sold captive Indians into the Caribbean slave trade is possible. Every single rebellion against the invaders, beginning with the first organized resistence to the Virginians at the beginning of the 17th century and continuing through the Pequot genocide (1630s), and Metacom's Rebellion (1675-76), produced Indian slaves for the Caribbean trade. The slave trade was extensive. There is room here for only a few examples. The Carolinians waged a long struggle with Spain in Florida, the fruits of which were often captive Indians. Between 1702 and 1707, thousands of missionized Indians - already trained into docility and servitude - were sold into the Caribbean. The next year, Englishmen in the Carolinas seized between 10,000 and 12,000 more Christianized Indians and quickly dispatched them to slave islands in the West Indies. The Tuscaroras and Yamassees were so afflicted by these English colonial practices that both nations went to war to try to stop it. Both paid a heavy price, though the Tuscaroras survived. When they inevitably lost their 1711 war, the entire surviving population managed to flee north where they found refuge with the five nations of the powerful Iroquois Confederacy, ultimately surviving as the sixth nation of a confederation that continues today. The Yamassees, some of whom were part of the missionized Indians captured earlier, waged a long war against this slave trade, a war that lasted from 1715-28. They paid the ultimate price, their defeat signaling the virtual disappearance of the Yamassee nation though some survivors fled to other nations or to one of the hundreds of maroon communities across southeastern North America. A few years later, the defeat of the great pan-Indian rebellion of 1736-66, led by the famous war chief Pontiac, sent still more Indians on their way to Caribbean cane houses and cane fields. And from all the other invaded regions of North America came more rebellions, more slaves.
See: Hunting North American Indians in Barbados
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As you can see Black Native americans did not become slaves without a struggle.
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^Can anyone find the document with that quote by Carlos Cuervo Marquez - preferably in English?
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The first American slave ships were used to transport Black Native Americans, like the Pequot to serve as slaves in the Caribbean.
Pequot Indian loaded on Ships in Mass. for the voyage to Barbados to be sold as slaves. The women and children were kept as slaves in New England
Clyde stop trying to perpetrate a fraud. I know there were Native American Indian slaves but the above people in the illustration are West Africans NOT PEQUOT INDIANS !!! Where did you get this silly idea? The burden of proof is on you. You made a claim but had no proof. Did you simply make it up?
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The first American slave ships were used to transport Black Native Americans, like the Pequot to serve as slaves in the Caribbean.
Pequot Indian loaded on Ships in Mass. for the voyage to Barbados to be sold as slaves. The women and children were kept as slaves in New England
Clyde stop trying to perpetrate a fraud. I know there were Native American Indian slaves but the above people in the illustration are West Africans NOT PEQUOT INDIANS !!! Where did you get this silly idea? The burden of proof is on you. You made a claim but had no proof. Did you simply make it up?
Stupid white supremacist. This picture was labled Massachusett slave traders. The only slaves sold by people in Massachusetts liar were Pequot.
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Beginning in 1620 white Americans sold Black Native Americans into slavery in the Caribbean.Black Native Americans (BNA) were not as lucky as your people. The BNA were farmers. This made them vulnerable. The mongoloid Indians were mainly nomadic and warlike. Since the BNA lived on choice farmland whites knew where to find them and there were no caves to hide in. Whites wanted their land and people to work the land after they stole it. This meant that they made the BNA work on the stolen land as slaves for life. The first slaves in the Caribbean were Black Native Americans (BNA). Beginning in the 1620’s whites hired warlike Indians to attack the farming Indians who were predominately BNA to supply them with slaves. Up to 1776 600,000 Native Americans were sold into slavery in the Caribbean. 300,000 were killed in slave raids or starved after the raids . See http://www.examiner.com/article/the-westo-indians-and-native-american-slavery
. Black Native Americans being led to the Slave ships and Slavery
. The usual pattern was to Christianize the Indians and then enslave or exterminate them. Thousands of Pequot were loaded on ships and sold as slaves in Caribbean
The female Pequot and children were kept as slaves in New England and Virginia.
quote: Patricia Penn Hilden, Professor Emerita Ethnic Studies Department, Ethnic Studies University of California, wrote;
"The extent of the trade in North American Indians that I and others are beginning to document becomes clearer with each foray into the archives. And increasingly the question becomes why the silence? I think there are two basic reasons. First, the overculture's silence is easily explained by the fact that its historians never want to come to terms with a bloody and terrible past. The acknowledgment of African slavery by overcultural U.S. historians took decades of struggle by African American scholars and activists. That the indigenous genocide hidden behind all United States history has yet to be recognized is, like the issue of Indian slavery, due to the powerlessness of indigenous peoples and - it must be said - to their own reluctance. The trade in Indian slaves was profitable both to whites and to Indians, and in many cases, the capture and sale would never have reached the extent it did without the active participation of indigenous people themselves. In a time when indigenous peoples are struggling to re-write their own histories, tell their own stories, interpret their own literatures in their own indigenous ways, research not surprisingly focuses less on the painful histories of collaboration and inter-tribal warfare and more on resistance and struggle. But the whole story, the entire past, matters - to all of us. And so this work must be done. Beyond the enriching of Native America's own history, as well as that of the overculture, there are other implications buried within this quest. Here, too, scholars of the African diaspora have given us a crucial lead, and we must follow it. A few examples only. As Judith Carney has painstakingly recorded the African roots of southern rice production, so Indian scholars must add the Indian roots of that same agriculture. As Michael Gomez has shown us with precision the African origins of southern slaves, so we must try to track our own peoples as they disappeared into the vast maw of the West Indian slave markets. As Kamau Brathwaite has recorded the African cultural roots of Bajan identity, so we must add the North American Indian contribution - to the Bajan world, as well as to the world across the Caribbean. It is time, as I realize again every time I am swamped by invitations to come to Jamaica, to the Dominican Republic, to Haiti, to Martinique and Guadaloupe, to Cuba, and back to Barbados whenever I speak of this work. Women I meet tell me that their old grannies have always told the grandchildren that they were Indian as well as African. They want me to come tell these ladies that this is so and why before their grannies die. Others - Caribbean people now living in the United States - recount similar family stories, tales that always before seemed preposterous to many of their hearers, or tales that many argued linked people of African descent only to the Arawaks or Caribs but never, ever to North American Indians. But perhaps it is more than this. Perhaps for us indigenous scholars, it is just now, at last, time. In the words of Haitian scholar Michel-Rolph Trouillot: "At some stage, for reasons that are themselves historical, most often spurred by controversy, collectivities experience the need to impose a test of credibility on certain events and narratives because it matters to them whether these events are true or false, whether these stories are fact or fiction."19
The first American slave ships were used to transport Black Native Americans, like the Pequot to serve as slaves in the Caribbean.
Pequot Indian loaded on Ships in Mass. for the voyage to Barbados to be sold as slaves. The women and children were kept as slaves in New England
Clyde stop trying to perpetrate a fraud. I know there were Native American Indian slaves but the above people in the illustration are West Africans NOT PEQUOT INDIANS !!! Where did you get this silly idea? The burden of proof is on you. You made a claim but had no proof. Did you simply make it up?
Stupid white supremacist. This picture was labled Massachusett slave traders. The only slaves sold by people in Massachusetts liar were Pequot.
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Cococnut Clyde tries to trick the readership with more lies and deny enslavement of Africans
He shows a picture of Massachusetts slave trading on a ship but provides no link to prove that the picture is labeled of Massachusetts. But so what if it is. By the mid-18th century, enslavement of Africans had become common practice in Massachusetts. No legislation was passed that abolished slavery until the Thirteenth Amendment in 1865 was ratified by the state. Clyde says the picture depicts slaves to be sold. Where is the proof that the slaves in the picture were not bought slaves that the traders juswt purchased being borded on to the ship?
But again it doesn't matter Massachusetts and Rhode Island were the principal slave trading colonies in New England, and Boston was one of the primary ports of departure for slave ships. Slaveholding was significant economically in Rhode Island where there were sizable plantations using slave labor. In Massachusetts,
In 1644 Boston merchants began importing slaves directly from Africa, selling them in the West Indies, and bringing home sugar to make rum, initiating the so-called triangular trade
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Are all Africans Americans mixed with white Europeans? No but most are
Are all African Americans mixed with Native Americans no, some clearly are and it documented and proven be genetics - but most African Americans are not mixed with Native Americans most African Americans of the time did not escape slavery and go into Native American tribes.
-try proving an African American has native American ancestry. Do you have any methodology for that besides blowing hot air out of your srse?
This thread makes no sense. If on average African Americans are about 20% white European than we are not just Africans. That is a large percentage. So why does the thread title say "Just Africans" ???
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So once again Coconut Clyde is a liar and trickster, trying to cover up the Maafa
Maafa 21: Black Genocide in 21st Century America is an anti-abortion documentary film made in 2009 by pro-life activist Mark Crutcher to turn African Americans against Planned Parenthood. The film, which has been enthusiastically received by anti-abortion activists, argues that the modern-day prevalence of abortion among African Americans is rooted in an attempted genocide or maafa of black people. Considered propaganda by journalist Michelle Goldberg and historian Esther Katz, the film fits into a pro-life advertising campaign aimed at African Americans, to argue against abortion and birth control.
The film repeats elements of an American conspiracy theory called black genocide, using many of the same arguments as black separatists such as the Black Panther Party in the early 1970s.
Marcus Hotchkiss Crutcher III (born 1948) is an American pro-life activist and author. He is the founder and president of Life Dynamics Inc. (LDI) and creator of the documentary Maafa 21. He is from Denton, Texas.
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Albinos like Lioness and Crutcher have no trouble using Black vernacular when they see benefit in doing so.
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The first American slave ships were used to transport Black Native Americans, like the Pequot to serve as slaves in the Caribbean.
Pequot Indian loaded on Ships in Mass. for the voyage to Barbados to be sold as slaves. The women and children were kept as slaves in New England
Clyde stop trying to perpetrate a fraud. I know there were Native American Indian slaves but the above people in the illustration are West Africans NOT PEQUOT INDIANS !!! Where did you get this silly idea? The burden of proof is on you. You made a claim but had no proof. Did you simply make it up?
Stupid white supremacist. This picture was labled Massachusett slave traders. The only slaves sold by people in Massachusetts liar were Pequot.
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Cococnut Clyde tries to trick the readership with more lies and deny enslavement of Africans
He shows a picture of Massachusetts slave trading on a ship but provides no link to prove that the picture is labeled of Massachusetts. But so what if it is. By the mid-18th century, enslavement of Africans had become common practice in Massachusetts. No legislation was passed that abolished slavery until the Thirteenth Amendment in 1865 was ratified by the state. Clyde says the picture depicts slaves to be sold. Where is the proof that the slaves in the picture were not bought slaves that the traders juswt purchased being borded on to the ship?
But again it doesn't matter Massachusetts and Rhode Island were the principal slave trading colonies in New England, and Boston was one of the primary ports of departure for slave ships. Slaveholding was significant economically in Rhode Island where there were sizable plantations using slave labor. In Massachusetts,
In 1644 Boston merchants began importing slaves directly from Africa, selling them in the West Indies, and bringing home sugar to make rum, initiating the so-called triangular trade
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Clyde, you are back to old form.
What accounts for the enthusiasm - got a girlfriend?
Nope. I just celebrated my 45th wedding anniversary.
I am tired of allowing white supremacists like Montellano and lioness get away with calling people racist when they are the real racist. In addition, now that I have been able to verify that our ancestors are not just Africans, I will no longer teach a lie.
lioness is pathetic. I presented two sources in the text describing the Native American slave trade, and she still tries to deny it, and claim the only slaves the American colonists sold were Africans. Click this link
. Its people like him/her who perpetuate lies about Black history to keep us down and ignorant..
The first American slave ships were used to transport Black Native Americans, like the Pequot to serve as slaves in the Caribbean.
Pequot Indian loaded on Ships in Mass. for the voyage to Barbados to be sold as slaves. The women and children were kept as slaves in New England
Clyde stop trying to perpetrate a fraud. I know there were Native American Indian slaves but the above people in the illustration are West Africans NOT PEQUOT INDIANS !!! Where did you get this silly idea? The burden of proof is on you. You made a claim but had no proof. Did you simply make it up?
Stupid white supremacist. This picture was labled Massachusett slave traders. The only slaves sold by people in Massachusetts liar were Pequot.
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Cococnut Clyde tries to trick the readership with more lies and deny enslavement of Africans
He shows a picture of Massachusetts slave trading on a ship but provides no link to prove that the picture is labeled of Massachusetts. But so what if it is. By the mid-18th century, enslavement of Africans had become common practice in Massachusetts. No legislation was passed that abolished slavery until the Thirteenth Amendment in 1865 was ratified by the state. Clyde says the picture depicts slaves to be sold. Where is the proof that the slaves in the picture were not bought slaves that the traders juswt purchased being borded on to the ship?
But again it doesn't matter Massachusetts and Rhode Island were the principal slave trading colonies in New England, and Boston was one of the primary ports of departure for slave ships. Slaveholding was significant economically in Rhode Island where there were sizable plantations using slave labor. In Massachusetts,
In 1644 Boston merchants began importing slaves directly from Africa, selling them in the West Indies, and bringing home sugar to make rum, initiating the so-called triangular trade
So once again Coconut Clyde is a liar and trickster, trying to cover up the Maafa
LOL. Stupid white Supremacist! Nobody believes your lies.
. Black Native Americans being led to the Slave ships and Slavery
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Coconut Clyde continues to lie and now he has this new picture up confirming that the one above it are not Indians. As we can plainly see the people in this new picture in no form or fashion match the African slaves in the picture at the top of the post. Coconut Clyde how dumb can you be you just added to my argument that the people in the top picture are Africans not Indians !!
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lioness is pathetic. I presented two sources in the text describing the Native American slave trade, and she still tries to deny it, and claim the only slaves the American colonists sold were Africans.
Coconut Clyde continues to LIE
I never said that no Native Americans were slaves.
Clyde why did you lie and say I said African Americans are just African?
Clyde why did you lie and say that I said there were never any Native American slaves? There were Native American slaves Clyde what is wrong with you?
There were Native American slaves but where Clyde is lying is that he says they are depicted in this picture. These are not Native Americans. They are Africans. Mike has taught Clyde to continue to deny the Maafa and lie endlessly to covere up each time he gets exposed
Dr Clyde Winters can no longer be regarded as an Afrocentrist because he lie about historical pictures of the oppression of Africans and tries to switch the identities. He is a trickster and deceiver
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Black Native American slaves in the Caribbean[/img]
[b]Pequot Indian loaded on Ships in Massachusetts for the voyage to Barbados to be sold as slaves. The women and children were kept as slaves in New England
Note hat worn by the West Indian slaver. It is the same hat worn by the Massachusetts sailors on the slave ship.
Both the Black Native Americans and African slaves were Negroes so you could not tell the difference between an African slave and a Black Native American.
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[b]Pequot Indian loaded on Ships in Massachusetts for the voyage to Barbados to be sold as slaves. The women and children were kept as slaves in New England
Note hat worn by the West Indian slaver. It is the same hat worn by the Massachusetts sailors on the slave ship.
Both the Black Native Americans and African slaves were Negroes so you could not tell the difference between an African slave and a Black Native American.
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Clyde must think he is dealing with two year olds. Here he tries to suggest that all slaves in the West Indies were indigenous West Indians and that vast numbers of Africans were not brought there to work the plantions. He has put in his own caption " Black Native American slaves in the Caribbean" It's a lie. Those are Africans Clyde is so embarrassed now, so lacking in manhood to admit error that now he will continue to post one picture after another and continue making false captions and continue to make sad attempts to mislead the readers all ito try to save his fragile pride and ego. Instead of admitting to error he will falsify history and lie. A lie to cover up the previous lie, endlessly
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You racist liar. I never said all the slaves in the West Indies were Black Native Americans.I said you could not tell the differences between an African or Black Native American slave.
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The original triangular trade did not involve Africa. In the [1] first leg of this trade New England Slavers would go to the West Indies and buy sugar. [2]They would take the sugar back to New England and make it into Rum. [3] After making the Rum, New England slavers would sail to Virginia and buy Native American Slaves, and take the slaves and Rum to the West Indies and start the trade over again.
Between 1620 and 1776 Black Native Americans were sold as slaves in the Caribbean. Beginning in the 1620’s whites hired warlike Indians to attack the farming Indians who were predominately BNA to supply them with slaves. Up to 1776 600,000 Native Americans were sold into slavery in the Caribbean. 300,000 were killed in slave raids or starved after the raids . See http://www.examiner.com/article/the-westo-indians-and-native-american-slavery Click this link to read more about the Native American Slave trade
Taken to the Slave Ship
Black Native Americans being loaded on the ships
Black Native American slaves landing in the Caribbean[/img]
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quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: [qb] Black Native American slaves in the Caribbean[/img] Pequot Indian loaded on Ships in Massachusetts for the voyage to Barbados to be sold as slaves. The women and children were kept as slaves in New England
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: You racist liar. I never said all the slaves in the West Indies were Black Native Americans.I said you could not tell the differences between an African or Black Native American slave.
Then why have you lied and labeled the above as Indians If you cannot tell the difference ???????????
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I never said all the slaves in the West Indies were Black Native Americans.I said you could not tell the differences between an African or Black Native American slave.
Show us one account in a colonial journal where indigenous West Indians are described as looking indistingishable Africans and having afro hair.
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The population living in America with the most native Caribbean descent are Puerto Ricans who on average carry 12% Indian DNA
65% West Eurasian (Mediterranean, Northern European and/or Middle Eastern) and 20% Sub-Saharan African Again, individuals may vary
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Why are ya'll wasting energy debating with Liarness when it's clear it doesn't know it's ass from a Big hole in the wall?
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quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: Why are ya'll wasting energy debating with Liarness when it's clear it doesn't know it's ass from a Big hole in the wall?
Yes her comments are stupid but sometimes my responses provide material for my blog so I kill two birds at once.
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lioness you try to massacre our history like your people massacred the Black Native American people.
Note the top knot hairstyle of the Lenape above and the Yamasee below.
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The Lenape Indians in Ohio Country had a difficult calculation to make as to which side (if any) and how to support during the British-American fighting. The question split the Lenape internally. In this cauldron, a strange morsel: Lenape who were Moravian** Christian converts had established a little missionary village. “Gnadenhutten” literally means “huts of grace”. As one might imagine, Gnadenhutten and its sister settlements of pacifistic, Christian Lenape stood in a terribly ambiguous position in the brutal irregular war going on around them. Their fellow Lenape distrusted them because they were Christians; their fellow Christians, because they were Lenape. Suspected by the British of being friendly enough with the American colonists to pass intelligence to their eventual murderers, these converts were in 1781 forced out of Gnadenhutten by British-allied Lenape to a new settlement aptly named “Captive Town”. Starving there in the ensuing winter, the Moravians dispatched nearly 100 of their number back to Gnadenhutten to retrieve food abandoned at that settlement.
The Moravians were still at their village when a raiding party of Pennsylvanians descended on the town. Under no authority but the militiamen’s own festering grievances from the ongoing dirty war, the Pennsylvanians rounded up the Delaware [Nanticoke??] and heartlessly declared their deaths.
Here were Indians who would pay for the violence Indians had done. And they were the best kind: the kind who didn’t fight back. After spending a night praying and preparing for the end, the Moravian Lenape were systematically butchered on the morning of March 8† with mallet blows and scalpings.
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Clyde is trying to use cheap appeals to your emotions. He assumed that if you are outraged by a massacre of Indians then whatever he says after that must be true.
Lapowinsa, Chief of the Lenape, Lappawinsoe painted by Gustavus Hesselius in 1735.
Susie Elkhair (d. 1926) of the Delaware Tribe of Indians, wearing ribbonwork shawl ^similarly a straight haired Indian woman pictured here
Most African Americans lived amoung the Europeans. Most did not join Native Americans tribes or intermarry with native Americans. Some native Americans even had African slaves.
Some Black Americans have Native American ancestry, others don't One cannot assume a given Black American instantly has native American ancestry. A Black person who has ancestors in America going back for generations cannot instantly assume they are necessarily part Indian. And if one does have Native American ancestry cannot assume to have a lot of it.
THERE HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF PROOF otherwise you are just blowing hot air
Most African Americas have about 10 times more white European ancestry than they do Native American ancestry. That can be proven with genetics and geeologyical records.
Are all African Americans equal parts African, equal parts Native American except for a tiny portion of white European? If you are a wishful thinking specialist that's what you believe.
Guess what people , most of us are not Native American at all
Most of us are largely African
I don't want to hear any more dumb replies like "the lioness wants this poor Native American to have their arm chopped off so everything I say must be right"
You can show a hundred pictures and text of Indians That does not prove we as African Americans are connected to thsoe pictures. If your argument is dependant on having my name in it you have no argument.
Either you will step to the plate of scholarship and present prooof of large scale admixture between Africans and Indians or you won't .
Either you have some way of proving a given African American has native Indian ancestry or you cannot.
Either you have some way of proving most or all African Americans have Native Indian ancestry or you don't.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Clyde is trying to use cheap appeals to your emotions. He assumed that if you are outraged by a massacre of Indians then whatever he says after that must be true.
Lapowinsa, Chief of the Lenape, Lappawinsoe painted by Gustavus Hesselius in 1735.
Susie Elkhair (d. 1926) of the Delaware Tribe of Indians, wearing ribbonwork shawl ^similarly a straight haired Indian woman pictured here
Most African Americans lived amoung the Europeans. Most did not join Native Americans tribes or intermarry with native Americans. Some native Americans even had African slaves.
Some Black Americans have Native American ancestry, others don't One cannot assume a given Black American instantly has native American ancestry. A Black person who has ancestors in America going back for generations cannot instantly assume they are necessarily part Indian. And if one does have Native American ancestry cannot assume to have a lot of it.
THERE HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF PROOF otherwise you are just blowing hot air
Most African Americas have about 10 times more white European ancestry than they do Native American ancestry. That can be proven with genetics and geeologyical records.
Are all African Americans equal parts African, equal parts Native American except for a tiny portion of white European? If you are a wishful thinking specialist that's what you believe.
Guess what people , most of us are not Native American at all
Most of us are largely African
I don't want to hear any more dumb replies like "the lioness wants this poor Native American to have their arm chopped off so everything I say must be right"
You can show a hundred pictures and text of Indians That does not prove we as African Americans are connected to thsoe pictures. If your argument is dependant on having my name in it you have no argument.
Either you will step to the plate of scholarship and present prooof of large scale admixture between Africans and Indians or you won't .
Either you have some way of proving a given African American has native Indian ancestry or you cannot.
Either you have some way of proving most or all African Americans have Native Indian ancestry or you don't.
LOL. You're not Afro-American stop pretending.Your mission is to deceive and lie.
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Some white and some African Americans have Native Indian ancsetry
But there are other white and other African Americans who may have very little or no Indian ancestry but pretend they do and some of them have been able to participate as Indians by Indians. There is a complex of reasons behind this
So you can't tell by looking
Indians had a huge decline in their population will African Americans have had a huge increase. Some did but most African Americans did not have ancestors who mixed with Indian tribes. You have to have some sort of proof
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: So you can't tell by looking
You can't tell but others who are more intelligent can. My great grandmother and grandmother both strongly show their native American blood.
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The Delaware Tribe of Indians, sometimes called the Eastern Delaware, based in Bartlesville, Oklahoma, is one of three federally recognized tribes of Delaware Indians in the United States, along with the Delaware Nation based in Anadarko, Oklahoma and the Stockbridge-Munsee Community of Wisconsin. More Lenape or Delaware people live in Canada. The historically Algonquian-speaking Delaware refer to themselves as Lenni Lenape. At contact, in the early 17th century, the tribe lived along the Delaware River, named for Lord de la Warr, territory in lower present-day New York state and eastern New Jersey, and western Long Island.
The Delaware nation was the first to sign a treaty with the new United States. They signed the treaty on the 17th September 1778. Despite the treaty, the Delaware were forced to cede their Eastern lands and moved first to Ohio, later Indiana (Plainfield), Missouri, Kansas, and Indian Territory. The ancestors of the Delaware Nation, following a different migration route, settled in Anadarko. Other Delaware bands moved north with the Iroquois after the American Revolutionary War to form two reserves in Ontario, Canada.
Traditionally the Delaware were divided into the Munsee, Unami, and Unalachtigo, three social divisions determined by language and location. After dealing with the United States on a government-to-government basis, the ancestors of the Delaware Tribe of Indians agreed in 1867 to relocation to Oklahoma, to live within the Cherokee Nation. The Delaware Tribe of Indians operated autonomously within the lands of the Cherokee Nation.
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Check out new Book Review: We are not JUST Africans.
Khalil Shaheed has written a review of my book: We are not just Africans. In the review he claims I treated him "shabby", this is false he attacked me and I prayed that God do to him what he directed at me. I believe that anything you say can manifest. As a result, if you curse me I will curse you back.
Eventhough he lies about out debate, the review of my book is good and some you out there may find the review helpful in choosing my book for your own viewing pleasure.
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Check out new Book Review: We are not JUST Africans.
Khalil Shaheed has written a review of my book: We are not just Africans. In the review he claims I treated him "shabby", this is false he attacked me and I prayed that God do to him what he directed at me. I believe that anything you say can manifest. As a result, if you curse me I will curse you back.
Eventhough he lies about out debate, the review of my book is good and some you out there may find the review helpful in choosing my book for your own viewing pleasure.
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quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: Check out new Book Review: We are not JUST Africans.
Khalil Shaheed has written a review of my book: We are not just Africans. In the review he claims I treated him "shabby", this is false he attacked me and I prayed that God do to him what he directed at me. I believe that anything you say can manifest. As a result, if you curse me I will curse you back.
Eventhough he lies about out debate, the review of my book is good and some you out there may find the review helpful in choosing my book for your own viewing pleasure.
I see what you mean, it will increase attention on you eventually.
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