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ive notice that alot of Ancient Greek artifacts portray people with curly hair and dark skin
are the ancient Greeks white like Hollywood portray them? or are they a mongrel race of people mixed with Asian and African
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quote:Originally posted by the questioner: ive notice that alot of Ancient Greek artifacts portray people with curly hair and dark skin
are the ancient Greeks white like Hollywood portray them? or are they a mongrel race of people mixed with Asian and African
A better question I want to ask you, is do you know what or how the white ones became dominant. It seems that in the art you could see a slow transition of the white settlers coming in...then all of a sudden...
What happened?
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quote:Originally posted by the questioner: ive notice that alot of Ancient Greek artifacts portray people with curly hair and dark skin
are the ancient Greeks white like Hollywood portray them? or are they a mongrel race of people mixed with Asian and African
Right, if you mixed a Chinese person with a Nigerian it would result in a curly haired " mongrel " such as this>
Lioness, you idiot he means the albino's from Central Asia.
Also Questioner, the Ancient Greeks were not white because in the U.S census and in the U.S, modern greeks were not considered White and were attacked by racists.
Considering the fact that the ancestors of the Ancient Greeks were black/brown people from Crete called the Minoans, and murals/paintings show numerous black/brown greeks and that they distinguished themselves from White Eurasians from Central Asia, they were most likely not White.
See people like Herodotus and Pliny the Elder to confirm this.
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quote:Originally posted by the questioner: ive notice that alot of Ancient Greek artifacts portray people with curly hair and dark skin
are the ancient Greeks white like Hollywood portray them? or are they a mongrel race of people mixed with Asian and African
Right, if you mixed a Chinese person with a Nigerian it would result in a curly haired " mongrel " such as this>
Lioness, you idiot he means the albino's from Central Asia.
Also Questioner, the Ancient Greeks were not white because in the U.S census and in the U.S, modern greeks were not considered White and were attacked by racists.
Considering the fact that the ancestors of the Ancient Greeks were black/brown people from Crete called the Minoans, and murals/paintings show numerous black/brown greeks and that they distinguished themselves from White Eurasians from Central Asia, they were most likely not White.
See people like Herodotus and Pliny the Elder to confirm this.
So according to you if many of the ancient Greeks looked like this modern curly haired Greek then they would noy be white becuase he's not white.
- this is before you do the mind reading of what the questioner thinks
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Here's my question, It's yes or no, only >
Are the today's Americans white?
. "Since the turn of the century, people born with blue eyes in the United States have dramatically decreased, with only about 10 percent having blue eyes today.
According to Mark Grant, an epidemiologist from Loyola University in Chicago. During the turn of the last century, the percentage of people with blue eyes stood at 57.4% for those born between 1899 through 1905; and 33.8% for those born between 1936 through 1951. According to Grant, in a study titled "Cohort effects in a genetically determined trait: eye color among US whites." This decrease in the occurrence of blue eyes is due to many factors, with the majority pointing to the increase in brown-eyed immigrants, mainly Hispanics and Asians, as well as heightened interracial relationships: as the other determinant. Blue eyes, next to green, are the rarest eye color in the world, as people of counties in Asia and Africa possess brown eyes."
They purposely avoid true history because that would blow their nonsense out of the water. Btw - add Turks to their mix. Turks always settled in territory that they conquered.
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the lioness why did you show a picture of a Modern Greek? i clearly said Ancient Greek and Chinese are not the only Asians in Asia
im starting to think that you post without thinking
many ancient Greeks also have dark complexion in addition to curly hair
for example in ancient Greek literature it is said that the true skin color of bravery is in between black and white
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ive notice that alot of Ancient Greek artifacts portray people with curly hair and dark skin
are the ancient Greeks white like Hollywood portray them? or are they a mongrel race of people mixed with Asian and African
quote:Originally posted by the questioner: the lioness why did you show a picture of a Modern Greek? i clearly said Ancient Greek and Chinese are not the only Asians in Asia
So then specify which Asians are a better candidate for mixing with Africans to produce Ancient Greeks.
(note 4: because they didn't have cameras in ancient Greece)
quote:Originally posted by the questioner:
many ancient Greeks also have dark complexion in addition to curly hair
(last guy Italian)
^ Did the ancient Greeks look like this
Or this? >
Let's use actual examples rather than terms like "white" and "black", stereotype race terms which have no agreed upon meaning
How about asking a question that is a legitimate observation of skin color, for instance "brown" or "light beige"
So in this post we have 5 brown skinned people. Could many of the Greeks have had brown skin? Yes
ive notice that alot of Ancient Greek artifacts portray people with curly hair and dark skin
are the ancient Greeks white like Hollywood portray them? or are they a mongrel race of people mixed with Asian and African
quote:Originally posted by the questioner: the lioness why did you show a picture of a Modern Greek? i clearly said Ancient Greek and Chinese are not the only Asians in Asia
So then specify which Asians are a better candidate for mixing with Africans to produce Ancient Greeks.
(note 4: because they didn't have cameras in ancient Greece)
quote:Originally posted by the questioner:
many ancient Greeks also have dark complexion in addition to curly hair
(last guy Italian)
^ Did the ancient Greeks look like this
Or this? >
Let's use actual examples rather than terms like "white" and "black", stereotype race terms which have no agreed upon meaning
How about asking a question that is a legitimate observation of skin color, for instance "brown" or "light beige"
So in this post we have 5 brown skinned people. Could many of the Greeks have had brown skin? Yes
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Why are you showing Sicilians with African admixture, then try to close the thread, supposedly? How come you have no problem with multiple supposed back migrations to Africa (of whcih in most cases there is no evidence lol smh), yet make such a great deal out of recent African migration into Southern Europe. Why is it so important to you to show Europeans as "pure" and more diverse as Africans? I like to know what's up with that.
This question has been addressed many times by several people already, however it has been responded at by you. All you do is keep on rambling.
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quote:Originally posted by the questioner: ive notice that alot of Ancient Greek artifacts portray people with curly hair and dark skin
are the ancient Greeks white like Hollywood portray them? or are they a mongrel race of people mixed with Asian and African
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
Why are you showing Sicilians with African admixture, then try to close the thread, supposedly? How come you have no problem with multiple supposed back migrations to Africa (of whcih in most cases there is no evidence lol smh), yet make such a great deal out of recent African migration into Southern Europe. Why is it so important to you to show Europeans as "pure" and more diverse as Africans? I like to know what's up with that.
This question has been addressed many times by several people already, however it has been responded at by you. All you do is keep on rambling. [/QB]
I don't give a damn about purity.
the questioner didn't mention Southern Europeans or African migration there, that's all you.
His proposal is that the ancient Greeks were not European
and he uses this old school racist terminology " a mongrel race" and doesn't even realize it
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the lioness can you prove that the Ancient Greeks were "European"? Ancient Greeks do appear to be European because they lived in what we now call Europe
but are they European in origin?
the word mongrel means : an individual resulting from the interbreeding of diverse breeds or strains; especially : one of unknown ancestry
i used the word mongrel on purpose
curly hair is a result of mixing with black Africans
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Questioner you are beginning to sound like a troll now, Whites can't have curly hair lol?
First of all I think it's been now an established fact that all modern White Europeans are basically albino's or iterations of people with albinism.
This means that back then, with having vision problems, blindness, eye problems, neurological defiencies, skin cancer and various skin ailments, and god knows what else if you simply look at the stuff that affects modern day White Americans daily, THERE IS JUST NO WAY THAT wHITES COULD HAVE BEEN THE ANCIENT GREEKS OR CIVILIZATION BUILDERS!
You had no glasses, modern medicine, technology, hospitals, suncreens, treatments etc to help people afflicted with albinism, so Whites had no choice but to live in Caves or places like Central Asia.
One, you need to able to draw pictures, read things, reading, writing, architecture, math, science etc which Whites never came up with on their own and this is an actual fact questioner.
The Indo-Europeans never devoloped their own writing or reading systems or literacy in general, which is why the Western writing system is based on a Phoenician alphabet today.
They were horse nomads who didn't have the means to build large sophisticated civilizations like Indus Valley, Sumeria, Egypt, Babylon, China etc etc because of their albinism and because they were not adapted to it or to those environments plus they were backwards.
So no, the Ancient Greeks could not have been Whites, because it would have been physically impossible to come up with the things that the Ancient Greeks built or physically built them; also being illiterate and not creating your own writing system which you need for an advanced ancient civilization, guarantees that you are not going to end up building anything complicated except become nomads on steppe environments.
Makes sense questioner?
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Look up quotes by Herodotus, Tacitus, and Xenophon then if you want proof. There is loads of written evidence suggesting they were not white.
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Yes. This crowd is oblivious, wilfully ignorant or pplagiarizing works as old as Rogers' 1952 Sex & Race pp. 81 & 292 with 16 Greek coins 3 of Helios 6 of Delphos 3 of Athena 4 random broad featured nappy hair individuals.
I leave it to some astute ES researcher to post or link the pages via GoogleBooks. The device I'm using won't let me.
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the lioness can you prove that the Ancient Greeks were that complexion? and can you prove that the ancient greeks had straight hair like the man you posted?
quote:Originally posted by the questioner: that the ancient Greeks are not white
something tangible or a quote from an ancient Greek to support your claim
So if the ancient Greeks were of this complexion are they or are they not white?
this is not a rhetorical question. Some people might say the above man is white, others would say he's not white.
I'm asking you, in your opinion, is this man white ?
After you answer that we can proceed to how the ancient Greeks might have looked. First, terminology must be clarified
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quote:Originally posted by the questioner: in my opinion i say no
So hair is then irrelevant
How would one know to what extent a man like that is dark skinned and to what extent he's tanned?
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DNA reveals origin of Greece's ancient Minoan culture 15 May 2013 From the section Science & Environment
Europe's first advanced civilisation was local in origin and not imported from elsewhere, a study says. Analysis of DNA from ancient remains on the Greek island of Crete suggests the Minoans were indigenous Europeans, shedding new light on a debate over the provenance of this ancient culture. Scholars have variously argued the Bronze Age civilisation arrived from Africa, Anatolia or the Middle East. Details appear in Nature Communications journal. The concept of the Minoan civilisation was first developed by Sir Arthur Evans, the British archaeologist who unearthed the Bronze Age palace of Knossos on Crete. Evans named the people who built these cities after the legendary King Minos who, according to tradition, ordered the construction of a labyrinth on Crete to hold the mythical half-man, half-bull creature known as the minotaur. Evans was of the opinion that the real-life Bronze Age culture on Crete must have its origins elsewhere. And so, he suggested that the Minoans were refugees from Egypt's Nile delta, fleeing the region's conquest by a southern king some 5,000 years ago. Surprisingly advanced "He was surprised to find this advanced civilisation on Crete," said co-author George Stamatoyannopoulos, from the University of Washington in Seattle, US. The evidence for this idea included apparent similarities between Egyptian and Minoan art and resemblances between circular tombs built by the early inhabitants of southern Crete and those built by ancient Libyans. But other archaeologists have argued for origins in Palestine, Syria, or Anatolia. In this study, Prof Stamatoyannopoulos and colleagues analysed the DNA of 37 individuals buried in a cave on the Lassithi plateau in the island's east. The majority of the burials are thought to date to the middle of the Minoan period - around 3,700 years ago. The analysis focused on mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) extracted from the teeth of the skeletons, This type of DNA is stored in the cell's "batteries" and is passed down, more or less unchanged, from mother to child. They then compared the frequencies of distinct mtDNA lineages, known as "haplogroups", in this ancient Minoan set with similar data for 135 other populations, including ancient samples from Europe and Anatolia as well as modern peoples. The comparison seemed to rule out an origin for the Minoans in North Africa: the ancient Cretans showed little genetic similarity to Libyans, Egyptians or the Sudanese. They were also genetically distant from populations in the Arabian Peninsula, including Saudis, and Yemenis. Locally sourced The ancient Minoan DNA was most similar to populations from western and northern Europe. The population showed particular genetic affinities with Bronze Age populations from Sardinia and Iberia and Neolithic samples from Scandinavia and France. They also resembled people who live on the Lassithi Plateau today, a population that has previously attracted attention from geneticists. The authors therefore conclude that the Minoan civilisation was a local development, originated by inhabitants who probably reached the island around 9,000 years ago, in Neolithic times. "There has been all this controversy over the years. We have shown how the analysis of DNA can help archaeologists and historians put things straight," Prof Stamatoyannopoulos told BBC News. "The Minoans are Europeans and are also related to present-day Cretans - on the maternal side." He added: "It's obvious that there was very important local development. But it is clear that, for example, in the art, there were influences from other peoples. So we need to see the Mediterranean as a pool, not as a group of isolated nations." "There is evidence of cultural influence from Egypt to the Minoans and going the other way."
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Those light skin women are actually fake overpaints or intentional overpaints done to repair damage, they are not the real women, Mike has proved this on realhistory.
Also many groups outside of Europe have "European maternal lineages", does not make them European. The Minoans had genes, like black African genes and there are minoans that are black as Africans in paintings. They were clearly non-white.
Also the Ancient Greeks pretty much died out as a race when they fell, first they were several plagues that killed around 80% of original population, secondly climate change in the past killed the remaining original populations and the albino Eurasians then mixed them out to the results today, then there were the Turks/Slavs etc etc.
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