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This is an example of how psychotic Europeans are. Here is Dienekes on the new study showing Neanderthal providing “harmful” genes to modern Europeans. Like an Ostrich with his head in the sand he refuses to believe the FACTS. As many racialist, he is rabid that Europeans are “special” and this was due to Neanderthal conferred genes to modern Europeans.

Also keep in mind many scientists have determine it is NOT Neanderthal admixture it is a really African substructure. That is why old and distant populations carry MORE Neanderthal admixture. Like Asians. While modern populations like Africans and Europeans carry LESS. I guess Asians are more “special” than Europeans. Lol!

Quote from Dienekes
Now that we know that Neandertal-introgressed DNA had (deleterious) functional consequences for modern humans, I think we also need a study on "useful stuff" conferred by Neandertal admixture. So far, the Neandertal genome has been used (mostly) as our closest relative, in order to identify novel gene variants shared by all modern humans but absent in Neandertals: the goal is to find things that "made us special". Pickings of this search have been slim.

Doubtlessly, as we begin to better understand the genetics underlying positive human traits, some of these will end up having come from archaic humans. Neandertal admixture was a huge injection of "new stuff" into the Eurasian modern human gene pool, and there is every reason to think that even if the "bad stuff" outweighed the "good", there was still plenty of room for functionally beneficial variants to be acquired from them

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The phenotypic legacy of admixture between modern humans and Neandertals

Corinne N. Simonti et al.

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Albinos are just so pathetically and disgustingly desperate to find something special about being Albino, that they lie and create false facts and false scenarios.

Note this lie by the Albino Dienekes:

Neandertal admixture was a huge injection of "new stuff" into the Eurasian modern human gene pool

See there?

The lying bastard is trying to limit the range of admixture to Europe and Asia (wanting us to think of the White-like Chinese, Japanese and Koreans).

But the fact is that Asia was Entirely Black in the beginning, at the time of Neanderthal, and is still substantially Black, both Negroid and Caucasoid Black.

Additionally: South Asia and Oceania are Majority Black, so as usual with the nonsense of Albinos, it doesn't hold water.

But it's not just Dienekes, all Albinos have a problem accepting their true defective nature - note Doxies tirades.

Note this Albinos musings back in 2010:

Quote: Surprisingly, the same level of Neanderthal admixture was found in a French subject, a Chinese subject, and a Papuan subject. This seems to suggest that Neanderthal admixture happened when modern humans began spreading out of Africa, probably in southwest Asia. But why was there no further admixture in Europe, where the two populations co-existed much longer? If there had been, we would see more Neanderthal admixture in present-day Europeans, but we don’t.


http://www.unz.com/pfrost/puzzle-of-neanderthal-admixture/

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Plea to the forum:

I'm juggling things, so please keep your eyes open for a study which measures the Neanderthal admixture in (just Blacks) of the Americas. That should be a real hoot. And also please, see if you can find an explanation for what the RED DOTS mean on the map below.



Worldwide distribution of B006 haplotype (the Neanderthal haplogroup) based on a sample of 6,092 X-chromosomes. Certain subpopulations were merged, when justified by their geographic proximity.

From the study: An X-Linked Haplotype of Neandertal Origin Is Present Among All Non-African Populations.

https://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/28/7/1957.full.pdf

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Okay, who is going to tell the Albinos that the Horn and North Africa is inhabited by Africans?

BTW - this map was quickly discarded by the Albinos shortly after it was created - can you see why?

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Albinos are insane.......

They are cracking up...

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quote:
Originally posted by kdolo:
Albinos are insane.......

They are cracking up...

Ha,ha,ha,ha:

This from the wiki article "Genetic admixture"


Quote: Admixture mapping is a method of gene mapping that uses a population of mixed ancestry (an admixed population) to find the genetic loci that contribute to differences in diseases or other phenotypes found between the different ancestral populations. The method is best applied to populations with recent admixture from two populations that were previously genetically isolated for tens of thousands of years, such as African Americans (admixture of African and European populations). The method attempts to correlate the degree of ancestry near a genetic locus with the phenotype or disease of interest. Genetic markers that differ in frequency between the ancestral populations are needed across the genome.

Damn - Albinos are just fuching SICK!

Okay, I know, many Africans believed it too.


For those who have never seen a map before:

The Albinos admit that Blacks have made it to Australia, which is about 15,000 walking miles away. But they couldn't make it the very few miles to Europe.


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According to the Albinos, Africans did this 70-60,000 years ago.


Australoid migration

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But they were only able to do this recently.
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Bahahaha [Big Grin]


Wut Up Mike, Good Tings A Gwan....

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Remember when Albinos were crowing that having Neanderthal DNA made them SPECIAL and more ADVANCED?


SLATE

New genetic evidence shows our ancestors interbred with now-extinct species.
By Ann Gibbons - Oct. 11 2012

In May 2010, researchers were able to get enough nuclear DNA from three female Neanderthals who lived in a cave in Croatia 38,000 to 44,000 years ago to splice together and publish the first draft of a Neanderthal genome. When they compared that draft genome with DNA from modern humans in Europe, Asia, and Africa, paleogeneticist Svante Pääbo of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, and his colleagues found that modern Europeans and Asians—but not Africans—have inherited between 1 percent and 4 percent of their genes from Neanderthals.


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In follow-up studies, researchers identified people who had inherited about 3 percent of their DNA from the Denisovans, as well as 4 percent to 6 percent of their DNA from Neanderthals. These people are found in a patchwork quilt of populations on islands of Southeast Asia, including Melanesians in Papua New Guinea, aboriginals in Australia, and Negritos in the Philippines.


http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_evolution/2012/10/neanderthal_and_denisovan_genetics_human_ancestors_interbred_with_extinct.html


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I guess that makes these people "SUPER SPECIAL" and "SUPER ADVANCED".

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Negritos

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
Plea to the forum:

I'm juggling things, so please keep your eyes open for a study which measures the Neanderthal admixture in (just Blacks) of the Americas. That should be a real hoot. And also please, see if you can find an explanation for what the RED DOTS mean on the map below.



Worldwide distribution of B006 haplotype (the Neanderthal haplogroup) based on a sample of 6,092 X-chromosomes. Certain subpopulations were merged, when justified by their geographic proximity.

From the study: An X-Linked Haplotype of Neandertal Origin Is Present Among All Non-African Populations.

https://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/28/7/1957.full.pdf

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Okay, who is going to tell the Albinos that the Horn and North Africa is inhabited by Africans?

BTW - this map was quickly discarded by the Albinos shortly after it was created - can you see why?

Interesting, "An X-Linked Haplotype of Neandertal Origin Is Present Among All Non-African Populations".

The Neanderthal specimin was found in Israel, but somehow it couldn't interact with African specimen. Was the Neanderthal limited?


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Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ This is why I think the genetic components they think are "neanderthal" may in fact be a common hominid genetic component that happens to be retained in certain human populations.

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The southern most Neanderthal in the world (Amud Cave, Israel)

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THE NEANDERTHALS:
A HUMAN RACE


To the above can be seen the Homo sapiensne ander thalensis Amud 1 skull, discovered in Israel. It is estimated that the owner of this skull would have stood 1.80 meters (5 feet, 11 inch es) tall. Its brain volume is the largest so far encountered for Neanderthals, at 1,740 cubic centimeters.

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"While the largest Homo erectus brains were about 1250 ml (2 imperial pints) and modern brains average about 1200–1500 ml in volume, female Neanderthal brains were about 1300 ml and those of males about 1600 ml, extending to 1740 ml in the Amud man."


Standardized Result - 1200–1500 cm3

Stringer, Christopher & Gamble, Clive. In Search of the Neanderthals. New York: Thames & Hudson, 1993.


http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/ViktoriyaShchupak.shtml


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quote:
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:

Interesting, "An X-Linked Haplotype of Neandertal Origin Is Present Among All Non-African Populations".

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You seem to have missed the point.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:

Interesting, "An X-Linked Haplotype of Neandertal Origin Is Present Among All Non-African Populations".

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You seem to have missed the point.

I've skimmed the thread. I'm doing multiple things at the same time, right now.
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ALL modern human populations carry "Neanderthal" ancestry because it is NOT Neanderthal ancestry.

It is African substructure. That is why Australiods carry MORE "Neanderthal" ancestry than Africans and Europeans. The first metapopulation OOA have a higher percentage of archaic genes. That is all. The more distant populations from Africa will carry higher archaic genetic material. It has nothing to do with humans and apes doing the nasty.


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Thank you xyyman.

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Nice find xyyman - but could you please post the link, I want to read the population list on the bottom. Thanks.
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Supplemental Data.pdf


http://genome.cshlp.org/content/suppl/2015/12/21/gr.191478.115.DC1/Supplemental_Data.pdf


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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26490036

BMC Genomics. 2015; 16: 834.
Published online 2015 Oct 22. doi: 10.1186/s12864-015-1991-5
PMCID: PMC4618522

Copy number variations in the genome of the Qatari population

Khalid A. Fakhro,# Noha A. Yousri,# Juan L. Rodriguez-Flores, Amal Robay, Michelle R. Staudt, Francisco Agosto-Perez, Jacqueline Salit, Joel A. Malek, Karsten Suhre, Amin Jayyousi, Mahmoud Zirie, Dora Stadler, Jason G. Mezey, and Ronald G. Crystal


Abstract
Background

The populations of the Arabian Peninsula remain the least represented in public genetic databases, both in terms of single nucleotide variants and of larger genomic mutations. We present the first high-resolution copy number variation (CNV) map for a Gulf Arab population, using a hybrid approach that integrates array genotyping intensity data and next-generation sequencing reads to call CNVs in the Qatari population.

Methods

CNVs were detected in 97 unrelated Qatari individuals by running two calling algorithms on each of two primary datasets: high-resolution genotyping (Illumina Omni 2.5M) and high depth whole-genome sequencing (Illumina PE 100bp). The four call-sets were integrated to identify high confidence CNV regions, which were subsequently annotated for putative functional effect and compared to public databases of CNVs in other populations. The availability of genome sequence was leveraged to identify tagging SNPs in high LD with common deletions in this population, enabling their imputation from genotyping experiments in the future.

Results

Genotyping intensities and genome sequencing data from 97 Qataris were analyzed with four different algorithms and integrated to discover 16,660 high confidence CNV regions (CNVRs) in the total population, affecting ~28 Mb in the median Qatari genome. Up to 40 % of all CNVs affected genes, including novel CNVs affecting Mendelian disease genes, segregating at different frequencies in the 3 major Qatari subpopulations, including those with Bedouin, Persian/South Asian, and African ancestry. Consistent with high consanguinity levels in the Bedouin subpopulation, we found an increased burden for homozygous deletions in this group. In comparison to known CNVs in the comprehensive Database of Genomic Variants, we found that 5 % of all CNVRs in Qataris were completely novel, with an enrichment of CNVs affecting several known chromosomal disorder loci and genes known to regulate sugar metabolism and type 2 diabetes in the Qatari cohort. Finally, we leveraged the availability of genome sequence to find suitable tagging SNPs for common deletions in this population.

Conclusion

We combine four independently generated datasets from 97 individuals to study CNVs for the first time at high-resolution in a Gulf Arab population.

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Ta! Lioness. You are good! I had my stop-watch on timing how quickly you will find it. If anyone would find it I knew it would be you. Makes me think you are more than one person. Anyways.

@ others. Fig4 is also interesting. It shows that Bantu SA Ovambo has as much “Neanderthal” ancestry as many Eurasians. Even more than the “admixed” ASW. Remnants of the ancient African sub-structure.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
[QB] Remember when Albinos were crowing that having Neanderthal DNA made them SPECIAL and more ADVANCED?



where is a quote saying neanderthals were more advanced or that humans with neanderthal ancestry are more advanced ?
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quote:
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Ta! Lioness. You are good! I had my stop-watch on timing how quickly you will find it. If anyone would find it I knew it would be you. Makes me think you are more than one person. Anyways.

@ others. Fig4 is also interesting. It shows that Bantu SA Ovambo has as much “Neanderthal” ancestry as many Eurasians. Even more than the “admixed” ASW. Remnants of the ancient African sub-structure.

you were hoping no one would find it and you could flip it the way you wanted.

I wasn't able to get good resolution on the populations listed in order to be able to read it
Does one of the other readable supp list figures or tables in the pdf correspond strictly?

http://genome.cshlp.org/content/suppl/2015/12/21/gr.191478.115.DC1/Supplemental_Data.pdf

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Use Paint software combined with Adobe.

Also suprising is the amount of Neanderthal ancestry the Mbuti carry, but then again it is not since they are very old. Khoi weren't listed but that would be interesting. Are the Ovambu related to San ?

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quote:
Originally posted by xyyman:
Use Paint software combined with Adobe.


that wont work if the original resolution is not high enough to read the text
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Siiighh! Open in Adobe, adjust resolution, camera, drop in Paint. Save. Smh.

quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by xyyman:
Use Paint software combined with Adobe.


that wont work if the original resolution is not high enough to read the text

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quote:
Originally posted by xyyman:


Also suprising is the amount of Neanderthal ancestry the Mbuti carry,

put up some quotes with sources listed
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Thank you lioness!
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Thanks Mike.....
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Siiighh! Open in Adobe, adjust resolution, camera, drop in Paint. Save. Smh.

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Originally posted by xyyman:
Use Paint software combined with Adobe.


that wont work if the original resolution is not high enough to read the text


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As I said there is no such thing as Neanderthal admixture with humans. ALL global populations carry it. It is substructure. Africans carry the least because of their high diversity. ie shorter segments. Australoids and Far Asians carry longer segments because of less diversity and is therefore easily recognizable. Europeans are a mixture of old Africans (metapopulation)and Neo(new) Africans. Thus they fall on between. This is not rocket science.

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X: " Europeans are a mixture of old Africans (metapopulation)and Neo(new) Africans. Thus they fall on between. This is not rocket science. "

Right, Extra-Africans (OOA) in Europe evolved to become Europeans (light skin matches tree-bark). Later groups came with variable coloration, depending on their source (OOA->India, OOA-> Crimea, OOA->Iberia =>> Europe as Ice Age ended and agriculture increased).

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No! No! You are not keeping up. Neanderthal was black skin, All ancient humans up to La Brana was also black skin. Light skin correlates with the arrival of Neolithics. Lazaridis et al and Mathesien et al.

Irregardless of the similar Phenotype Europeans have very little relation to India. That is the problem we use eye ball anthropology and NOT science to come to conclusions. Indians are primarily mtDNA hg-M subclade and not H. Modern European females are primarily on the L3-N. mtDNA hg-H is found on BOTH sides of the Medit Sea. get it!

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quote:
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No! No! You are not keeping up. Neanderthal was black skin, All ancient humans up to La Brana was also black skin. Light skin correlates with the arrival of Neolithics. Lazaridis et al and Mathesien et al.

Irregardless of the similar Phenotype Europeans have very little relation to India. That is the problem we use eye ball anthropology and NOT science to come to conclusions. Indians are primarily mtDNA hg-M subclade and not H. Modern European females are primarily on the L3-N. mtDNA hg-H is found on BOTH sides of the Medit Sea. get it!

You are using flawed analysis, even though there might be different mtdna within Indians and Europeans, Indians and Europeans still cluster TOGETHER on genetic charts. How come?

Because the R1a haplogroup arose in Southern and South-west Asia BEFORE it traveled to Europe via the Central Asian migrations to Europe starting from 1200 BC to the fall of the Roman empire. Indians are one of the most major carriers of this haplogroup BESIDES EUROPEANS!

And there is no "European race" or "European genes" because again modern White Europeans ARE NOT NATIVE OR INDIGENOUS TO EUROPE! Except for maybe the Basque or Welsh, most modern Europeans are mongrels and recent migrants from Eurasia. ALL WHITE EUROPEANS BECAUSE OF THIS, ARE GENETICALLY DISTINCT FROM EACH OTHER!

Therefore because of this, WHITE EUROPEANS ARE INDIAN ALBINO'S WELL AS THE ACCUMULATION OF ALBINO'S OF OTHER GROUPS, SO YES WHITE EUROPEANS DO INDEED HAVE SIMILARITIES WITH INDIANS AND DO HAVE DEEP CONNECTIONS TO SOUTHERN ASIANS LIKE INDIANS WHICH IS A FACT!

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quote:
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Neanderthal was black skin, All ancient humans up to La Brana was also black skin.

quote:
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As I said there is no such thing as Neanderthal admixture with humans.

I agree with Mindovermatter, xyyman is clearly confused. Above two contradictory statments
The skin color of the Neanderthal is irrelevant to the issue of whether humans mixed with them.

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Irregardless of the similar Phenotype Europeans have very little relation to India. That is the problem we use eye ball anthropology and NOT science to come to conclusions. Indians are primarily mtDNA hg-M subclade and not H. Modern European females are primarily on the L3-N. mtDNA hg-H is found on BOTH sides of the Medit Sea. get it!

No, the problem is when you try to mislead people by excluding either their maternal or paternal DNA.
In this case you chose to leave out their paternal DNA which does overlap with Europeans . So stop the trickery

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^ lol! Back at it? misdirection and confusion.

The point I am making is ALL humans and humanoids were black skinned up to 6000BC. No admixture required.

Also. On the maternal side. Most women on BOTH sides of the Medit Sea are virtually identical. carrying hg-H. Of course Africans carry more hg-L

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quote:
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^ lol! Back at it? misdirection and confusion.

The point I am making is ALL humans and humanoids were black skinned up to 6000BC. No admixture required.

Also. On the maternal side. Most women on BOTH sides of the Medit Sea are virtually identical. carrying hg-H. Of course Africans carry more hg-L

Hg H was covered already, a few times.

But for the sake of the argument.

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Haplogroup L1b roots deeply in the human mtDNA phylogeny and has the characteristic motif 16126, 16187, 16189, 16223, 16264, 16270, 116278, 16311.

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Our results also point to a less ancient western African gene flow to Tunisia involving haplogroups L2a and L3b. Thus the sub-Saharan contribution to northern Africa starting from the east would have taken place before the Neolithic. The western African contribution to North Africa should have occurred before the Sahara’s formation (15,000 BP).

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The dates for subhaplogroups H1 and H3 (13,000 and 10,000 years, respectively) in Iberian and North African populations allow for this possibility. Kefi et al.’s (2005) data on ancient DNA could be viewed as being in agreement with such a presence in North Africa in ancient times (about 15,000–6,000 years ago) and with the fact that the North African populations are considered by most scholars as having their closest relations with European and Asian populations (Cherni et al. 2008; Ennafaa et al. 2009; Kefi et al. 2005; Rando et al. 1998). How- ever, considering the general understanding nowadays that human settlement of the rest of the world emerged from eastern northern Africa less than 50,000 years ago, a better explanation of these haplogroups might be that their frequencies re- flect the original modern human population of these parts of Africa as much as or more than intrusions from outside the continent. The ways that gene frequencies may increase or decrease based on adaptive selection, gene flow, and/or social processes is under study and would benefit from the results of studies on autosomal and Y-chromosome markers.

--Frigi et al.
Ancient Local Evolution of African mtDNA Haplogroups in Tunisian Berber


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Haplogroup H dominates present-day Western European mitochondrial DNA variability (>40%), yet was less common (~19%) among Early Neolithic farmers (~5450 BC) and virtually absent in Mesolithic hunter-gatherers. Here we investigate this major component of the maternal population history of modern Europeans and sequence 39 complete haplogroup H mitochondrial genomes from ancient human remains. We then compare this 'real-time' genetic data with cultural changes taking place between the Early Neolithic (~5450 BC) and Bronze Age (~2200 BC) in Central Europe. Our results reveal that the current diversity and distribution of haplogroup H were largely established by the Mid Neolithic (~4000 BC), but with substantial genetic contributions from subsequent pan-European cultures such as the Bell Beakers expanding out of Iberia in the Late Neolithic (~2800 BC). Dated haplogroup H genomes allow us to reconstruct the recent evolutionary history of haplogroup H and reveal a mutation rate 45% higher than current estimates for human mitochondria.
--Brotherton P1, Haak W, Templeton J,

Nat Commun. 2013;4:1764. doi: 10.1038/ncomms2656.

Neolithic mitochondrial haplogroup H genomes and the genetic origins of Europeans.

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quote:
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^ lol! Back at it? misdirection and confusion.

The point I am making is ALL humans and humanoids were black skinned up to 6000BC. No admixture required.

Also. On the maternal side. Most women on BOTH sides of the Medit Sea are virtually identical. carrying hg-H. Of course Africans carry more hg-L

You are the king of misdirection because you suggest the skin color of neanderthals has relevance to if humans interbred with them
That makes no sense at all
The neanderthal genome has been mapped.
If they interbred with humans any skin color they had would not prevent them from doing so.

You misdirect in every post but your biggest problem is you don't even realize it. That's how far gone you are

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^ I am responding to DD'ENN

He/she suggested that the first OOA as turning light AFTER OOA. I am saying no!!!!! All humans and humanoids(Neanderthal) were black skinned and remained black up to 6000BC. The complete genome of Neanderthals confirmed they were black skinned and they occupied Europe for 300,000years!!!!!. The First OOA remained in Europe for 25-30,000 years and still remained black skinned, like La Brana

The first appearance of light skin coincide with the first appearance of new(neo) Africans about 7OOOyears ago. Selective sweep taking place recently about 2000BC. confirmed by Lazaridis and Mathesien and a few other authors.

The Haplogroups of the female side also confirms this. That is why hg-H is found on BOTH sides of the Medit sea with the older haplotypes found on the African shores. The only enigma is R1b-M269.
Which is slowly being resolved. They are NOT from the Steppes of Asia. We know that now. But where did they come from and what led to their sudden dominance in the last 1500years? We know even up to the medieval age they were still not dominant.

The rise and dominance of light skin in Europe.............!!!

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quote:
Originally posted by xyyman:
^ lol! Back at it? misdirection and confusion.

The point I am making is ALL humans and humanoids were black skinned up to 6000BC. No admixture required.

Also. On the maternal side. Most women on BOTH sides of the Medit Sea are virtually identical. carrying hg-H. Of course Africans carry more hg-L

You are the king of misdirection because you suggest the skin color of neanderthals has relevance to if humans interbred with them
That makes no sense at all
The neanderthal genome has been mapped.
If they interbred with humans any skin color they had would not prevent them from doing so.

You misdirect in every post but your biggest problem is you don't even realize it. That's how far gone you are


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OH! the mock up in the circle is mine. But the chart itself is the original from the study....just saying. [Big Grin]
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Xyyman, is this the same Dieneckes post as this one:

"Africans are thus just a leaf of the Eurasian family tree, casting serious doubt -if this model is to be believed- to the position that H. sapiens originated in Africa and are descended from people who never left the continent. It seems much simpler to derive them from an early migration (~200kya?) from Asia which would nicely explain why the continent's first sapiens populations appear tentatively in the northeastern corner, and why they do not replace archaic hominins for most of the 200 thousand years until today. In a reversal of perspective it is not Skhul/Qafzeh that are the "migration that failed", but rather the Omo 1 outlier is."

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2016/02/are-living-africans-nested-within.html

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Xyyman said about my comment: "He/she suggested that the first OOA as turning light AFTER OOA. I am saying no!!!!! "

Ok, what I'm really saying is that the early African emigrants to Europe were tree-bark tone like pygmies, and gradually became lighter as they moved northward and the tree bark and environment became lighter (cloudy-snowy 1/2 of the year). It wasn't strict gene expression, but epigenetics (much less solar exposure, so relatively little tanning, despite having the gene sequence for dark skin.)

In Hawaii, I met some Japanese guys who deliberately tanned until they were Tamil-toned. So their gene sequence must be "black skin" but Japanese are very light generally. That's what I think happened in Europe, they had dark skin gene sequence but with time became lighter because the gene sequence wasn't expressed. I don't think we have any samples of skin older than Otzi, so actual skin color is unknown, only the gene sequence is known, the epigenetics is not known.

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But to your point. The ONLY thing we have to go by is the gene....expression.

We do not have actual skin samples. So what is left is the genotype. Thus Neanderthal was black skinned along with all humans up to about 6000BC.

Notice KO1 may have extremely dark skin but probably had blue eyes. There is NO correlation between light eyes and light skin.

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What is "selective sweep" ?

And how does it produce White people ?

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selective sweep is essentially when a gene/phenotype starts off at low frequency and slowly rise to high frequency and dominance.

The chart shows the MAJOR genes/alleles that produces light skin. You can see the alleles are dominant at about 2500BC. But further back in time shows dark skin alleles/light yellow color bars in the chart are dominant.

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X: "The point I am making is ALL humans and humanoids were black skinned up to 6000BC."

Ok, I'd say tree-bark-toned, with variability depending on local climate and niche, so between jet-black and tan/apricot/grey; with exception being the Dead Sea region (excluding the surrounding hills) and probably a few other unusual localities. They certainly did have melanin, but how much it was expressed on the skin surface (without suntanning to increase expression) is unknown.

I think the later immigration of people from the Levant into Europe included a large proportion of Red Sea derived people, who had no strong selection for melanin (low UV and white-salt-crust environment) and due to harsh (hot days/chilly nights) climate had a culture of wearing full-cover garments (and circumcision to protect genitals from friction with coarse fibers)rather than the more typical loincloth/skirt (to protect genitals from rough vegetation).

I think blue eyes are better in cloudy-misty-snowy areas (Baltic Sea), worse in bright clear sky conditions (like Asian steppe).

X: "The ONLY thing we have to go by is the gene....expression."

No, that's just one tool among many. I'm wary of too much reliance on gene code cracking to the exclusion of other data. Especially when pushed by biased researchers and propagandists of any type.

Black bears in Vancouver are blond-furred, is that detected in their genotype? I don't know.

Some neandertals were coded for melanin, but is that hair or skin or both?

Spirit bear:

"It is noted for about 1⁄10 of their population having white or cream-colored coats. This color is due to a double recessive gene unique in the subspecies. They are not albinos[1] and not any more related to polar bears or the "blonde" brown bears of Alaska's "ABC Islands" than other members of their species. Sometimes, a black mother can have a white cub."

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quote:
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Use Paint software combined with Adobe.

Also suprising is the amount of Neanderthal ancestry the Mbuti carry, but then again it is not since they are very old. Khoi weren't listed but that would be interesting. Are the Ovambu related to San ?

Mitochondrially perhaps, but our history is closely linked with the OvaHerero (culturally, linguistically etc) .
The thing about these DNA tests is that there's no way to define a "baseline owambo" (or any other ethnic group for that matter). I have OvaHimba ancestry as well as AaWambo ancestry, but I self identify as Ovambo. A relative of mine is half Nama/Owambo but speaks OshiWambo & identifies as such, aside from that, there's been a lot of "mixing" between different indigenous groups also.

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owambo/ovambu ~ ova/egg + wamba(Old English) womb

possible source of name Bambuti & Yoruba god Oba

Oba/ova + Mbo(Java) mother

Oka(Japan) mother

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