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if the ancient Greeks were white, is there any evidence in their literature where they get sun burned?
whats the Ancient Greek word for sunburn?

if you wish to answer this question please post your reference

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who is that?
and what does he have to do with ancient Greeks?

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He's a Greek dude
maybe some ancient Greeks looked liked him, what's the problem?

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how do you know he's indigenous to Greece?
and how do you know he doesn't get sunburn?

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quote:
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how do you know he's indigenous to Greece?
and how do you know he doesn't get sunburn?

I didn't say whether or not he could get sunburn or not
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then why did you post him if he is irrelevant to my question?

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because your question is based on a false premise
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how is it false?

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i don't get it
if you think my question is based on false premise then why did you post something irrelevant to prove it wrong

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It is based on the idea that people are white
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Do you have any ancient contemporary reference to prove that ancient Greeks get sunburn?
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quote:
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Do you have any ancient contemporary reference to prove that ancient Greeks get sunburn?

https://books.google.com/books?id=B990CgAAQBAJ&pg=PA116&dq=Sunburn+%2
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Thomas Van Nortwick did not live in antiquity
please try again
be sure to put it in original classical greek

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ἃς δ᾽ αὖ σὺ βάκχας εἷρξας, ἃς συνήρπασας
κἄδησας ἐν δεσμοῖσι πανδήμου στέγης,
445φροῦδαί γ᾽ ἐκεῖναι λελυμέναι πρὸς ὀργάδας
σκιρτῶσι Βρόμιον ἀνακαλούμεναι θεόν:
αὐτόματα δ᾽ αὐταῖς δεσμὰ διελύθη ποδῶν
κλῇδές τ᾽ ἀνῆκαν θύρετρ᾽ ἄνευ θνητῆς χερός.
πολλῶν δ᾽ ὅδ᾽ ἁνὴρ θαυμάτων ἥκει πλέως
450ἐς τάσδε Θήβας. σοὶ δὲ τἄλλα χρὴ μέλειν.

Πενθεύς

μέθεσθε χειρῶν τοῦδ᾽: ἐν ἄρκυσιν γὰρ ὢν
οὐκ ἔστιν οὕτως ὠκὺς ὥστε μ᾽ ἐκφυγεῖν.

ἀτὰρ τὸ μὲν σῶμ᾽ οὐκ ἄμορφος εἶ, ξένε,
ὡς ἐς γυναῖκας, ἐφ᾽ ὅπερ ἐς Θήβας πάρει:
455πλόκαμός τε γάρ σου ταναός, οὐ πάλης ὕπο,
γένυν παρ᾽ αὐτὴν κεχυμένος, πόθου πλέως:
λευκὴν δὲ χροιὰν ἐκ παρασκευῆς ἔχεις,
οὐχ ἡλίου βολαῖσιν, ἀλλ᾽ ὑπὸ σκιᾶς,
τὴν Ἀφροδίτην καλλονῇ θηρώμενος.
460πρῶτον μὲν οὖν μοι λέξον ὅστις εἶ γένος.
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the word burn, scorched, or pain is no where mentioned in this quote

its talking about a tan not a burn

please try again

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quote:
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the word burn is no where mentioned in this quote

its talking about a tan not a burn

please try again

prove it, what word in ancient Greek are you referring to?
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σκιᾶς

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λευκὴν
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Greece is at the same latitude as Central Asia and Spain so the sunlight intensity is similar
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Ancient Greeks were largely naked not heavily clothed like the people who occupy greece today

before sunscreen

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
Greece is at the same latitude as Central Asia and Spain so the sunlight intensity is similar

False, Greece is surrounded by water and mountains which would affect the amount of sunlight they get. Central Asia is not a country, it's a vast region bigger then the United states, when you include Northern Afghanistan, Central Russia, Northern Iran, Western China, the Black Sea area etc etc.

That region of the world does not have the same sunlight levels as Greece SORRY!

And that Tan quote is made up, all the evidence shows the Ancient Greeks were a brown and black people!

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just because some Greeks were describe as being black and brown that doesn't mean they were African

but it definitely means they are not white/Caucasian

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quote:
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just because some Greeks were describe as being black and brown that doesn't mean they were African

but it definitely means they are not white/Caucasian

why are you still using the word "white" ?


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because its a political term that denotes modern Europeans

why do you keep showing that picture?
when you can't prove he's an indigenous greek

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quote:
Originally posted by Mindovermatter:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
Greece is at the same latitude as Central Asia and Spain so the sunlight intensity is similar

False, Greece is surrounded by water and mountains which would affect the amount of sunlight they get. Central Asia is not a country, it's a vast region bigger then the United states, when you include Northern Afghanistan, Central Russia, Northern Iran, Western China, the Black Sea area etc etc.

That region of the world does not have the same sunlight levels as Greece SORRY!

And that Tan quote is made up, all the evidence shows the Ancient Greeks were a brown and black people!

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Constantine II of Greece


This man's skin is not white and he has the ability to survive in Greece

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Mindovermatter:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
Greece is at the same latitude as Central Asia and Spain so the sunlight intensity is similar

False, Greece is surrounded by water and mountains which would affect the amount of sunlight they get. Central Asia is not a country, it's a vast region bigger then the United states, when you include Northern Afghanistan, Central Russia, Northern Iran, Western China, the Black Sea area etc etc.

That region of the world does not have the same sunlight levels as Greece SORRY!

And that Tan quote is made up, all the evidence shows the Ancient Greeks were a brown and black people!

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He has a reddish complexion not brown or black
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quote:
Originally posted by the questioner:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Mindovermatter:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
Greece is at the same latitude as Central Asia and Spain so the sunlight intensity is similar

False, Greece is surrounded by water and mountains which would affect the amount of sunlight they get. Central Asia is not a country, it's a vast region bigger then the United states, when you include Northern Afghanistan, Central Russia, Northern Iran, Western China, the Black Sea area etc etc.

That region of the world does not have the same sunlight levels as Greece SORRY!

And that Tan quote is made up, all the evidence shows the Ancient Greeks were a brown and black people!

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He has a reddish complexion not brown or black
This man's skin is not white and he has the ability to survive in Greece
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Is that supposed to be a "brown or black" ?
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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by the questioner:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Mindovermatter:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
Greece is at the same latitude as Central Asia and Spain so the sunlight intensity is similar

False, Greece is surrounded by water and mountains which would affect the amount of sunlight they get. Central Asia is not a country, it's a vast region bigger then the United states, when you include Northern Afghanistan, Central Russia, Northern Iran, Western China, the Black Sea area etc etc.

That region of the world does not have the same sunlight levels as Greece SORRY!

And that Tan quote is made up, all the evidence shows the Ancient Greeks were a brown and black people!

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He has a reddish complexion not brown or black
This man's skin is not white and he has the ability to survive in Greece
prove to me that he doesn't get sunburn
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quote:
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Is that supposed to be a "brown or black" ?

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This man's skin is brown

Sometimes in 18th century Europe and earlier they would refer to his complexion as "black"

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by kdolo:
Is that supposed to be a "brown or black" ?

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This man's skin is brown

Sometimes in 18th century Europe and earlier they would refer to his complexion as "black"

name one person in the 18th century or earlier who looked like him that was called "black"
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if you can't provide a quote mentioning sunburn i rest my case

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
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Originally posted by kdolo:
Is that supposed to be a "brown or black" ?

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This man's skin is brown

Sometimes in 18th century Europe and earlier they would refer to his complexion as "black"

name one person in the 18th century or earlier who looked like him that was called "black"
https://archive.org/details/memoirssecretse00mackgoog

"The Memoirs of the Secret Services of John Macky, Esq." (1733)

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Originally posted by the MIke111

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Daniel Finch, 2nd Earl of Nottingham, by Sir Godfrey Kneller, c. 1720

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The Complexion of Race: Categories of Difference in Eighteenth-century ...
By Roxann Wheeler
University of Pennsylvania Press;

http://bookalist.net/?p=115721

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in the English language black can also mean white or pale

black (adj.) Look up black at Dictionary.com
Old English blęc "dark," from Proto-Germanic *blakaz "burned" (cognates: Old Norse blakkr "dark," Old High German blah "black," Swedish bläck "ink," Dutch blaken "to burn"), from PIE *bhleg- "to burn, gleam, shine, flash" (cognates: Greek phlegein "to burn, scorch," Latin flagrare "to blaze, glow, burn"), from root *bhel- (1) "to shine, flash, burn;" see bleach (v.).

The same root produced Old English blac "bright, shining, glittering, pale;" the connecting notions being, perhaps, "fire" (bright) and "burned" (dark). The usual Old English word for "black" was sweart (see swart). According to OED: "In ME. it is often doubtful whether blac, blak, blake, means 'black, dark,' or 'pale, colourless, wan, livid.' " Used of dark-skinned people in Old English.

bleach (v.) Look up bleach at Dictionary.com
Old English blęcan "bleach, whiten," from Proto-Germanic *blaikjan "to make white" (cognates: Old Saxon blek, Old Norse bleikr, Dutch bleek, Old High German bleih, German bleich "pale;" Old Norse bleikja, Dutch bleken, German bleichen "to bleach"), from PIE root *bhel- (1) "to shine, flash, burn" (cognates: Sanskrit bhrajate "shines;" Greek phlegein "to burn;" Latin flamma "flame," fulmen "lightning," fulgere "to shine, flash," flagrare "to burn;" Old Church Slavonic belu "white;" Lithuanian balnas "pale").

The same root probably produced black; perhaps because both black and white are colorless, or because both are associated with burning. Compare Old English scimian, related to the source of shine (n.), meaning both "to shine" and "to dim, grow dusky, grow dark." Related: Bleached; bleaching.

ancient Greek word Melas never meant bright or white

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http://i0.wp.com/www.blacktalkradionetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/black-means-pale.jpg?resize=400%2C297

https://books.google.com/books?id=aWQtAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA70&dq=black+means+pale+white&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjojvSmkZfLAhVT0GMKHRrFCvYQ6AEISjAG#v=onepage&q=black%20means%20pale%20white&f =false

i rest my case

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quote:
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Is that evidence? LOL
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quote:
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in the English language black can also mean white or pale

black (adj.) Look up black at Dictionary.com
Old English blęc "dark," from Proto-Germanic *blakaz "burned" (cognates: Old Norse blakkr "dark," Old High German blah "black," Swedish bläck "ink," Dutch blaken "to burn"), from PIE *bhleg- "to burn, gleam, shine, flash" (cognates: Greek phlegein "to burn, scorch," Latin flagrare "to blaze, glow, burn"), from root *bhel- (1) "to shine, flash, burn;" see bleach (v.).

The same root produced Old English blac "bright, shining, glittering, pale;" the connecting notions being, perhaps, "fire" (bright) and "burned" (dark). The usual Old English word for "black" was sweart (see swart). According to OED: "In ME. it is often doubtful whether blac, blak, blake, means 'black, dark,' or 'pale, colourless, wan, livid.' " Used of dark-skinned people in Old English.

bleach (v.) Look up bleach at Dictionary.com
Old English blęcan "bleach, whiten," from Proto-Germanic *blaikjan "to make white" (cognates: Old Saxon blek, Old Norse bleikr, Dutch bleek, Old High German bleih, German bleich "pale;" Old Norse bleikja, Dutch bleken, German bleichen "to bleach"), from PIE root *bhel- (1) "to shine, flash, burn" (cognates: Sanskrit bhrajate "shines;" Greek phlegein "to burn;" Latin flamma "flame," fulmen "lightning," fulgere "to shine, flash," flagrare "to burn;" Old Church Slavonic belu "white;" Lithuanian balnas "pale").

The same root probably produced black; perhaps because both black and white are colorless, or because both are associated with burning. Compare Old English scimian, related to the source of shine (n.), meaning both "to shine" and "to dim, grow dusky, grow dark." Related: Bleached; bleaching.

ancient Greek word Melas never meant bright or white

In many languages these terms/ definitions are relative.
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I assume you all understand that the degenerate lying Albino lioness, is trying to fool you by superimposing a real and legitimate quote from Macky's Memoirs onto a "FAKE White" portrait of Charles Lennox.

Ordinarily when posters do things like that, they are banned from the forum.


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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
I assume you all understand that the degenerate lying Albino lioness, is trying to fool you by superimposing a real and legitimate quote from Macky's Memoirs onto a "FAKE White" portrait of Charles Lennox.

Ordinarily when posters do things like that, they are banned from the forum.


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what evidence do you have that this painting is fake
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in the English language black can also mean white or pale

black (adj.) Look up black at Dictionary.com
Old English blęc "dark," from Proto-Germanic *blakaz "burned" (cognates: Old Norse blakkr "dark," Old High German blah "black," Swedish bläck "ink," Dutch blaken "to burn"), from PIE *bhleg- "to burn, gleam, shine, flash" (cognates: Greek phlegein "to burn, scorch," Latin flagrare "to blaze, glow, burn"), from root *bhel- (1) "to shine, flash, burn;" see bleach (v.).

The same root produced Old English blac "bright, shining, glittering, pale;" the connecting notions being, perhaps, "fire" (bright) and "burned" (dark). The usual Old English word for "black" was sweart (see swart). According to OED: "In ME. it is often doubtful whether blac, blak, blake, means 'black, dark,' or 'pale, colourless, wan, livid.' " Used of dark-skinned people in Old English.

bleach (v.) Look up bleach at Dictionary.com
Old English blęcan "bleach, whiten," from Proto-Germanic *blaikjan "to make white" (cognates: Old Saxon blek, Old Norse bleikr, Dutch bleek, Old High German bleih, German bleich "pale;" Old Norse bleikja, Dutch bleken, German bleichen "to bleach"), from PIE root *bhel- (1) "to shine, flash, burn" (cognates: Sanskrit bhrajate "shines;" Greek phlegein "to burn;" Latin flamma "flame," fulmen "lightning," fulgere "to shine, flash," flagrare "to burn;" Old Church Slavonic belu "white;" Lithuanian balnas "pale").

The same root probably produced black; perhaps because both black and white are colorless, or because both are associated with burning. Compare Old English scimian, related to the source of shine (n.), meaning both "to shine" and "to dim, grow dusky, grow dark." Related: Bleached; bleaching.

ancient Greek word Melas never meant bright or white

In many languages these terms/ definitions are relative.
can you give examples?
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"...Black complexion, much like King Charles" ^

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Charles II of England by John Michael Wright

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"...Black complexion, much like King Charles" ^

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Charles II of England by John Michael Wright

in the English language black can also mean white or pale

black (adj.) Look up black at Dictionary.com
Old English blęc "dark," from Proto-Germanic *blakaz "burned" (cognates: Old Norse blakkr "dark," Old High German blah "black," Swedish bläck "ink," Dutch blaken "to burn"), from PIE *bhleg- "to burn, gleam, shine, flash" (cognates: Greek phlegein "to burn, scorch," Latin flagrare "to blaze, glow, burn"), from root *bhel- (1) "to shine, flash, burn;" see bleach (v.).

The same root produced Old English blac "bright, shining, glittering, pale;" the connecting notions being, perhaps, "fire" (bright) and "burned" (dark). The usual Old English word for "black" was sweart (see swart). According to OED: "In ME. it is often doubtful whether blac, blak, blake, means 'black, dark,' or 'pale, colourless, wan, livid.' " Used of dark-skinned people in Old English.

bleach (v.) Look up bleach at Dictionary.com
Old English blęcan "bleach, whiten," from Proto-Germanic *blaikjan "to make white" (cognates: Old Saxon blek, Old Norse bleikr, Dutch bleek, Old High German bleih, German bleich "pale;" Old Norse bleikja, Dutch bleken, German bleichen "to bleach"), from PIE root *bhel- (1) "to shine, flash, burn" (cognates: Sanskrit bhrajate "shines;" Greek phlegein "to burn;" Latin flamma "flame," fulmen "lightning," fulgere "to shine, flash," flagrare "to burn;" Old Church Slavonic belu "white;" Lithuanian balnas "pale").

The same root probably produced black; perhaps because both black and white are colorless, or because both are associated with burning. Compare Old English scimian, related to the source of shine (n.), meaning both "to shine" and "to dim, grow dusky, grow dark." Related: Bleached; bleaching.


http://i0.wp.com/www.blacktalkradionetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/black-means-pale.jpg?resize=400%2C297

https://books.google.com/books?id=aWQtAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA70&dq=black+means+pale+white&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjojvSmkZfLAhVT0GMKHRrFCvYQ6AEISjAG#v=onepage&q=black%20means%20pale%20white&f =false

ancient Greek word Melas never meant bright or white  -

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what evidence do you have that this painting is fake

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questioner - You are starting to get on my nerves. I do NOT like purposeful stupidity, such as lioness uses and which now YOU are starting to exhibit.

But in the interest of peace, I will assume that you really are stupid:

In which case I will point out that Charles is CLEARLY described as having a "BLACK COMPLEXION" not a "Black countenance," or a "Black disposition", which would make the term open to interpretation.

No, it is "BLACK COMPLEXION":

Now in the interest of making it understandable for even the stupidest SOB, I will supply a definition for "COMPLEXION".

Websters:

Simple Definition of complexion

: the color or appearance of the skin especially on the face


Now I will supply an example of the color BLACK:

THIS IS THE COLOR BLACK.

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I hope I have thoroughly answered your question.

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webster never lived during Charles lenos time

post the definition of "complexion" during the 17th century

you still never answered my question

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Now I will supply an example of the color BLACK:

THIS IS THE COLOR BLACK.

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I hope I have thoroughly answered your question. [/QB]

Thus there are no people with a black complexion in America today
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Now I will supply an example of the color BLACK:

THIS IS THE COLOR BLACK.

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I hope I have thoroughly answered your question.

Thus there are no people with a black complexion in America today [/QB]
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quote:
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Now I will supply an example of the color BLACK:

THIS IS THE COLOR BLACK.

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Thus there are no people with a black complexion in America today

THIS IS THE COLOR WHITE!

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Thus there are no people with a White complexion in America today.

What an idiot!

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lets get back on subject

Does anyone have a quote from a ancient Greek that mentions sunburn

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