^^ Here we see in a chart made by Clyde Winters a claim that the below article by says that the frequency of haplogroup R-M269 in Africa is 5.2% but this is false Berniell-Lee's article does not say that.
The article states:
"The 883 male samples analyzed from west Central Africa were classified into 10 different haplogroups according to the recently published Y-Chromosome Phylogeny (Karafet et al. 2008) (fig. 1)."
So this figure 5.2% does not pertain to the whole of Africa as Clyde Winters falsely claims and secondly does not pertain to to the clade M269
Genetic and Demographic Implications of the Bantu Expansion: Insights from Human Paternal Lineages 2009
Gemma Berniell-Lee Francesc Calafell Elena Bosch Evelyne Heyer Lucas Sica Patrick Mouguiama-Daouda Lolke van der Veen Jean-Marie Hombert Lluis Quintana-Murci David Comas Mol Biol Evol (2009) 26 (7): 1581-1589.
A remarkable finding of our study is the substantial number of individuals belonging to haplogroup R1b1* (5.2%). Surprisingly, it has been previously observed in northern Cameroon (40%) at high frequencies (Cruciani et al. 2002) and at lower frequencies in southern Cameroon (1.12%) (Cruciani et al. 2002), Oman (1%), Egypt (2%), and Hutu from Rwanda (1%) (Luis et al. 2004). The presence of this lineage in Africa has been claimed to be a genetic signature of a possible backflow migration from west Asia into Africa (Cruciani et al. 2002).
As we can see, at right, in Berniell-Lee's chart, 0% of M269 is recorded in these______^ ____Central African populations of the study yet Clyde is telling us it represents the whole of Africa and that it represents M269, two false statements
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Haplogroup V88 has the greatest frequency in Africa. It is predominately carried by Chadic speakers, ranges between 2-60% among Central African Niger-Congo speakers (Cruciani et al, 2010).
Yes and that is exactly what we see represented in this Berniell-Lee that the Central Africans sampled in this article carried R1b1* which was identified by Cruciani in the following year, 2010, as V88
So Clyde is knowingly misrepresenting this article in two different ways.
But people like Ish Gebor will never question chronic misrepresentation like this
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^^ Here we see in a chart made by Clyde Winters a claim that the below article by says that the frequency of haplogroup R-M269 in Africa is 5.2% but this is false Berniell-Lee's article does not say that.
The article states:
"The 883 male samples analyzed from west Central Africa were classified into 10 different haplogroups according to the recently published Y-Chromosome Phylogeny (Karafet et al. 2008) (fig. 1)."
So this figure 5.2% does not pertain to the whole of Africa as Clyde Winters falsely claims and secondly does not pertain to to the clade M269
Genetic and Demographic Implications of the Bantu Expansion: Insights from Human Paternal Lineages 2009
Gemma Berniell-Lee Francesc Calafell Elena Bosch Evelyne Heyer Lucas Sica Patrick Mouguiama-Daouda Lolke van der Veen Jean-Marie Hombert Lluis Quintana-Murci David Comas Mol Biol Evol (2009) 26 (7): 1581-1589.
A remarkable finding of our study is the substantial number of individuals belonging to haplogroup R1b1* (5.2%). Surprisingly, it has been previously observed in northern Cameroon (40%) at high frequencies (Cruciani et al. 2002) and at lower frequencies in southern Cameroon (1.12%) (Cruciani et al. 2002), Oman (1%), Egypt (2%), and Hutu from Rwanda (1%) (Luis et al. 2004). The presence of this lineage in Africa has been claimed to be a genetic signature of a possible backflow migration from west Asia into Africa (Cruciani et al. 2002).
As we can see, at right, in Berniell-Lee's chart, 0% of M269 is recorded in these______^ ____Central African populations of the study yet Clyde is telling us it represents the whole of Africa and that it represents M269, two false statements
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Haplogroup V88 has the greatest frequency in Africa. It is predominately carried by Chadic speakers, ranges between 2-60% among Central African Niger-Congo speakers (Cruciani et al, 2010).
Yes and that is exactly what we see represented in this Berniell-Lee that the Central Africans sampled in this article carried R1b1* which was identified by Cruciani in the following year, 2010, as V88
So Clyde is knowingly misrepresenting this article in two different ways.
But people like Ish Gebor will never question chronic misrepresentation like this
You don't know what you're talking about. Prior to 2010 , R1b1* (R-P25*) was recognized as R-M269. After this date, African R1*-M173 was separated into V88 and M269. Africans who were found to carry M269, prior to 2010 continue to carry M269.
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Everyday more and more evidence supports the African introduction of Y-Chromosome R1 into the Americas.
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“Distribution of paternal lineages in Mestizo populations throughout Mexico: an in silico study based on Y-STR haplotypes” -J. A. Aguilar-Velázquez
Abstract The Mexican-Mestizo population arose following European contact with the Americas due to the admixture of principally Spaniards, Native Americans, and Africans around 500 years ago. Because the paternal lineage distribution of the Mexican population has been poorly investigated, this study inferred the haplogroups of ten populations based on 1859 haplotypes (Y-STR data) using two haplogroup predictor programs. In the Mexican population sample, we found predominantly European ancestry (50.1%), followed by Native American (32.5%), Eurasian (13.4%),??????? African (2.1%), East African-South Eurasian (1.3%), and Asian (0.6%) ancestries. In general, our results support a contrary north-to-south gradient throughout the Mexican territory of European and Native-American ancestries, respectively. Moreover, the presence of West-European R1b and Sub-Saharan African E1b1a haplogroups agrees with historical and genetic data of gene flow during the European conquest. This study represents the effort to analyze these paternal lineages on a large scale by taking advantage of Y-STR haplotype data to determine the distribution and ancestry proportions in this country.
Introduction The past 500 years of admixture among Europeans (primarily Spaniards), Native-Americans, and Africans have formed the majority of the contemporary Mestizo (admixed) population from Mexico (~93%). The National Institute of Anthropology defines a Mestizo as a person born in Mexico who has a Spanish-derived last name and a family with Mexican ancestors who can be traced back to the third generation [1]. The specific sets of single nucleotide polymorphisms of the Y-chromosome (Y-SNPs) are known as Y-linked haplogroups and constitute paternal lineages related by descent, which enable the definition of the paternal ancestry of individuals and populations.
But more astonishing is the E1b1a-V38. These are not West African slaves. Isn’t this Mota? E-V38 is virtually non-existence in West Africa.
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