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Rudy Giuliani: "Black lives matter" is racist, anti-American

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8cUAb3df0M


I'm not sure his statistics are correct

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A lot of American news outlets are making these claims.

And this we predicted as soon as the shooter was known.

However, non of them pin point specifically a person or people. They black everybody, the entire movement.

The man said that America has been looking as the problem of "race" for the last 20years the wrong way. Is this man crazy?

There has been a continues circle of attacks and terrorism on the black community in America, eversince America existed. Yes, long before his immigrant ancestors immigrated to North America in the late 1800.

Then he spoke on rap music?


This is what BrandNubian said the early 1990's, and it makes you wonder?


quote:
Momi and Daddy better fear for they chile
Cause they style is not just makin a fast chickens (?)
They also into murder and ass kickin
Distortion and kidnappin, the kid is black
Handsome ransome they just get you your kid back

Brand Nubian - Gangbang


Or MC Shan, early 90's


quote:
Contra a code for police in the projects
Ready to fly that head like an object
'Shan, you're makin records, why you wanna stay there?'
That's where I was raised, and my son's gonna play there
Let me tell you what justice did
For a close friend of mine named Rich Kid
They ran a worn-out line that he snuffed em
Then he beat em down he and cuffed him
A gun and a badge gives a feeling of toughness
After subdued they continue with roughness
According to the laws of the land we're defenseless
Thinkin that their jobs are beatin you senseless
Takin the names of fairytale props
There's one silly sucker called Robo Cop
The media skipped right past it
Robo Cop just put Rich in his casket
The bottom line: he wasn't under arrest
He needed ambulatory assistance for pains in his chest
If not for justice he would be in good health
My he rest in peace and think deep to yourself

MC Shan - Time for us to defend ourselves.


So, these songs show that rap music has been addressing this problem long before social conditions in Chicago took extreme forms, which are rooted in socioeconomic conditions, which Rudy Giuliani doesn't address. Nor have I ever heard him talk about the Nixon administration drug transportations into the black communities. Because there is were the real cause is at. Cut back in school funding, inferior educated etc...

Back in the 90's there was the Dutch tv-host who went to the Bronx. In her documentary she spoke to kids. And kids showed her their school and right across the street there was a large jailcenter. How promising for a kid to see in his, her psyche. The ghetto was created systematically, by tactical impoverishment.

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Rudy Guliani is a cross dressing crackpot

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Used Police & Tax Money to Pamper His Mistress

Back in 1999 and 2000, when Rudy was cheating on his second wife, he used public money and policemen to carry on his affair. How? Let me count the ways --
-- City-financed trips to Southampton, the expensive celebrity resort where his girlfriend had a condo
-- Undercover police drove his girlfriend (Judith Nathan) around New York, when Guiliani was nowhere near.
"She used the PD [police department] as her personal taxi service," according to one former Giuliani staffer.
-- Those police drove Judith 130 miles to Pennsylvania to visit her parents.
-- Those police drove Judith's FRIENDS around the city, even when SHE wasn't there.
-- Guiliani even made 2 police detectives walk Nathan's DOG. Yes, New York's finest, scooping up poop from the mayor's mistress' dog.

How pampered is Judith Nathan? Not only does she have a full time hair stylist, when she flies she has a second first-class seat -- for her Louis Vitton purse, which she calls "Baby Louis." At her wedding to Giuliani, she wore a tiara, and a NY police detective went with her to Atlanta to pick up the $20,000 Ceylon-sapphire-and-diamond ring Judith had picked out. All this from a girl who grew up in Hazelton PA, a coal mining town pop. 25,000. A woman who, in 1992, was making $1,200 a month as a part-time receptionist.

This scandal didn't come out earlier because the Giuliani administration covered up these expenses, by billing the money to obscure city agencies with no connection to security -- such as the Office of People With Disabilities, the Loft Board, and the Community Assistance Unit. They used some of that money to pre-pay $454,000 on an American Express card, which was used to pay for hotels, meals, and gas on these trips. City auditors questioned the Mayor's office back in 2001, but his staff refused to answer, claiming "security" reasons. The City Comptroller ruled that auditors "were unable to verify that these expenses were for legitimate or necessary purposes."

The girlfriend of the current New York mayor, billionare Michael Bloomberg, rides the bus to work and has no security detail at all.

Giuliani has always made a big deal about his "security" credentials, and crime in New York City did go down a lot during his tenure as mayor. (Though many people think the credit should go to Bejamin Bratton, the brilliant Police Commissioner that Guiliani hired -- and then fired after he started claiming credit for the successes.) But it is also becoming clear that Rudy, the son and nephew of mob-connected men, has some issues about security. He likes to surround himself with excessive numbers of security guards and police.

He has essentially found a way to make himself a mob boss legally, surrounded by lots of beefy lieutenants and "muscle" everywhere he goes. That's why he's comfortable surrounding himself with clearly and deeply corrupt assistants, such as Bernard Kerik. And that's why he would consider such a shocking abuse of police as pampering his girlfriend -- that's what your "boys" do. That's why you make yourself the boss.

Surrounded by Corrupt and Criminal Friends (Felons, Molestors and Embezzlers)

Giuliani prizes loyalty, and he has stayed loyal to a number of friends who are flat out criminals. Even after he knows about their misdeeds and allegations (or convictions!) of crimes, Giuliani socializes with them, hires them at his security firm, or has them raise money for his campaigns.

The most notorious is Bernard Kerik, Giuliani's former chauffer, who pled guilty to two misdemeanors for receiving $165,000 in renovations from a company accused of mob ties. (He lobbied city officials to approve them anyway.] Recently, Kerik was indicted on 16 counts for tax evasion, fraud, lying to federal investigators, and tampering with witnesses. Giuliani appointed him as police commissioner (for only 16 months), hired him for $500,000 at his security company, convinced President Bush to nominate Kerik as Director of Homeland Security (before Kerik withdrew his nomination in disgrace), and continues to defend him. To this day, Giuliani will not rule out pardoning Kerik if Rudy is elected presidet.

Kerik shares one trait with Rudy -- using taxpayer resources for his extramarital affairs. In 2001, Kerik used an apartment donated for 9/11 rescue workers as a love nest for his affair with publisher Judith Regan. (Kerik has been married since 1998.) In fact, Kerik used Giuiliani Partners as the mail drop for the $75,000 payment at the heart of one of the tax fraud charges he was indicted for in Nov. 2007.

But Kerik's not the only one. A grand jury report concluded that priest Alan Placa, a longtime friend of Giuliani, molested several boys and helped cover up molestations by other priests, but he could not be prosecuted because the statute of limitations had run out. Giuliani -- who had the priest preside over his second wedding -- continues to defend him, and also employs the priest to this day at his security company.

Wait -- there's more! A major union supporter of Giuliani in his mayoral days went to prison in 2000 for stealing $2 million from union members. Bob Asher, convicted of bribery in 1986, recently (Nov. 26, 2007) hosted a $2,300 per person fundraiser for Giuliani. Rudy's South Carolina campaign chair resigned in June of 2007 after he was indicted for distribution of cocaine. Etc. etc. etc. Any politician can have one crooked supporter or friend. But Giuliana has lots of them, and he remains loyal to them -- and hires them -- long after he knows all about their alleged crimes and convictions.

Cheating, Three-Times-Married Husband

Giuliani's behavior has led him to three marriages and 20 years of rumors about his affairs. Even back in 1993, his mayoral campaign commissioned its own study of his vulnerabilities, which emphasized his "raucous social life" during his marriage, and said that his behavior raised "questions about a weirdness factor" in his personal life.

After divorcing his second cousin, Rudy married Donna Hanover, a TV new anchor in New York. In 1996, he started appearing in public frequently with his press secretary, Cristyne Lategano (who was 28, and the youngest NYC press secretary ever, when Giuliani appointed her.) Vanity Fair magazine reported that they were dating. Hanover then changed back to her maiden name on tax returns, stopped appearing with Guiliani in public, and barred Cristyne from any of her public events.

In Spring of 1999, Giuliani stopped appearing with Lategano and started dating Judith Nathan, an ambitious divorcee, while still married.

Giuliani was even more blatant about his affair with Nathan. She accompanied him to dozens of public events -- town-hall meetings, the opera, fundraisers, and the St. Patrick's Day parade, marching alongside him just as the mayor's wife always has. She even joined him at the huge Y2K Millenium Celebration in Times Square. He sang to her in Italian in New York restaurants, and kept what one newspaper called (at the time) "a love nest" in the St. Regis Hotel. Rudy finally started divorce proceedings against Hanover in 2000 and married Judith Nathan in 2003.

Mob Ties (through his Dad and Uncle)

For a guy who made his name attacking the mob, Rudy Giuliani has a surprising number of mob ties himself, including his father Harold -- a convicted felon who, according to the book "Rudy! An Investigative Biography", was involved (with Rudy's uncle Leo) in a shoot-out with a mob competitor. The book charges that Harold's best friend Lou Carbonetti, Jr. was a mobbed-up Democratic Party leader with connections to the boxing world. Harold Guiliani did prison time for robbery and served as the collector for Giuiliani's uncle Leo. And yes, Rudy Giuliani is a fan of the Sopranos, but that doesn't prove NOTHING.

Married His Second Cousin

Giuliani married his second cousin, Regina Perrugi. After 14 years, he divorced her, but got an official "annulment" -- a decree from the Catholic Church that the marriage never really happened (for 14 years!!), thus allowing remarriage in the Church.

http://realchange.org/giuliani.htm

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lol. Guillani likes to lecture black folk but hardly seems to
do likewise with corrupt white police individuals, or bureaucracies.
Nor has he lectured his rich white banker friends
much on their criminality.

I have heard some place that before Guillani took over
crime was already going DOWN in New York, and that
it was David Dinkins, mayor before him, who started things by
hiring 2000 new cops before Guillani had arrived and implemented
what he called the "Safe Communities" or "Safe
Streets" program. The much touted "Guillani approach"
took credit for an already DOWNWARD crime trend in place,
and a trend ALREADY IN PLACE by Dinkins of new hires,
debunking the mythology of Rudi as "savior" of NYC
and anti-crime guru. Anyone have any more data on this?

At least one detailed analysis notes that not only was
crime already DROPPING in NYC, but nationwide as well before Guillani showed up..

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2007/sep/01/how-much-credit-giuliani-due-fighting-crime/

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Never knew all of this. 3 marriages and a Catholic to add to that? How do these people get away with that. Corrupt and unethical yet has the audacity and balls to be the face of "values".

quote:
Originally posted by Bonampak420:
Rudy Guliani is a cross dressing crackpot

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Used Police & Tax Money to Pamper His Mistress

Back in 1999 and 2000, when Rudy was cheating on his second wife, he used public money and policemen to carry on his affair. How? Let me count the ways --
-- City-financed trips to Southampton, the expensive celebrity resort where his girlfriend had a condo
-- Undercover police drove his girlfriend (Judith Nathan) around New York, when Guiliani was nowhere near.
"She used the PD [police department] as her personal taxi service," according to one former Giuliani staffer.
-- Those police drove Judith 130 miles to Pennsylvania to visit her parents.
-- Those police drove Judith's FRIENDS around the city, even when SHE wasn't there.
-- Guiliani even made 2 police detectives walk Nathan's DOG. Yes, New York's finest, scooping up poop from the mayor's mistress' dog.

How pampered is Judith Nathan? Not only does she have a full time hair stylist, when she flies she has a second first-class seat -- for her Louis Vitton purse, which she calls "Baby Louis." At her wedding to Giuliani, she wore a tiara, and a NY police detective went with her to Atlanta to pick up the $20,000 Ceylon-sapphire-and-diamond ring Judith had picked out. All this from a girl who grew up in Hazelton PA, a coal mining town pop. 25,000. A woman who, in 1992, was making $1,200 a month as a part-time receptionist.

This scandal didn't come out earlier because the Giuliani administration covered up these expenses, by billing the money to obscure city agencies with no connection to security -- such as the Office of People With Disabilities, the Loft Board, and the Community Assistance Unit. They used some of that money to pre-pay $454,000 on an American Express card, which was used to pay for hotels, meals, and gas on these trips. City auditors questioned the Mayor's office back in 2001, but his staff refused to answer, claiming "security" reasons. The City Comptroller ruled that auditors "were unable to verify that these expenses were for legitimate or necessary purposes."

The girlfriend of the current New York mayor, billionare Michael Bloomberg, rides the bus to work and has no security detail at all.

Giuliani has always made a big deal about his "security" credentials, and crime in New York City did go down a lot during his tenure as mayor. (Though many people think the credit should go to Bejamin Bratton, the brilliant Police Commissioner that Guiliani hired -- and then fired after he started claiming credit for the successes.) But it is also becoming clear that Rudy, the son and nephew of mob-connected men, has some issues about security. He likes to surround himself with excessive numbers of security guards and police.

He has essentially found a way to make himself a mob boss legally, surrounded by lots of beefy lieutenants and "muscle" everywhere he goes. That's why he's comfortable surrounding himself with clearly and deeply corrupt assistants, such as Bernard Kerik. And that's why he would consider such a shocking abuse of police as pampering his girlfriend -- that's what your "boys" do. That's why you make yourself the boss.

Surrounded by Corrupt and Criminal Friends (Felons, Molestors and Embezzlers)

Giuliani prizes loyalty, and he has stayed loyal to a number of friends who are flat out criminals. Even after he knows about their misdeeds and allegations (or convictions!) of crimes, Giuliani socializes with them, hires them at his security firm, or has them raise money for his campaigns.

The most notorious is Bernard Kerik, Giuliani's former chauffer, who pled guilty to two misdemeanors for receiving $165,000 in renovations from a company accused of mob ties. (He lobbied city officials to approve them anyway.] Recently, Kerik was indicted on 16 counts for tax evasion, fraud, lying to federal investigators, and tampering with witnesses. Giuliani appointed him as police commissioner (for only 16 months), hired him for $500,000 at his security company, convinced President Bush to nominate Kerik as Director of Homeland Security (before Kerik withdrew his nomination in disgrace), and continues to defend him. To this day, Giuliani will not rule out pardoning Kerik if Rudy is elected presidet.

Kerik shares one trait with Rudy -- using taxpayer resources for his extramarital affairs. In 2001, Kerik used an apartment donated for 9/11 rescue workers as a love nest for his affair with publisher Judith Regan. (Kerik has been married since 1998.) In fact, Kerik used Giuiliani Partners as the mail drop for the $75,000 payment at the heart of one of the tax fraud charges he was indicted for in Nov. 2007.

But Kerik's not the only one. A grand jury report concluded that priest Alan Placa, a longtime friend of Giuliani, molested several boys and helped cover up molestations by other priests, but he could not be prosecuted because the statute of limitations had run out. Giuliani -- who had the priest preside over his second wedding -- continues to defend him, and also employs the priest to this day at his security company.

Wait -- there's more! A major union supporter of Giuliani in his mayoral days went to prison in 2000 for stealing $2 million from union members. Bob Asher, convicted of bribery in 1986, recently (Nov. 26, 2007) hosted a $2,300 per person fundraiser for Giuliani. Rudy's South Carolina campaign chair resigned in June of 2007 after he was indicted for distribution of cocaine. Etc. etc. etc. Any politician can have one crooked supporter or friend. But Giuliana has lots of them, and he remains loyal to them -- and hires them -- long after he knows all about their alleged crimes and convictions.

Cheating, Three-Times-Married Husband

Giuliani's behavior has led him to three marriages and 20 years of rumors about his affairs. Even back in 1993, his mayoral campaign commissioned its own study of his vulnerabilities, which emphasized his "raucous social life" during his marriage, and said that his behavior raised "questions about a weirdness factor" in his personal life.

After divorcing his second cousin, Rudy married Donna Hanover, a TV new anchor in New York. In 1996, he started appearing in public frequently with his press secretary, Cristyne Lategano (who was 28, and the youngest NYC press secretary ever, when Giuliani appointed her.) Vanity Fair magazine reported that they were dating. Hanover then changed back to her maiden name on tax returns, stopped appearing with Guiliani in public, and barred Cristyne from any of her public events.

In Spring of 1999, Giuliani stopped appearing with Lategano and started dating Judith Nathan, an ambitious divorcee, while still married.

Giuliani was even more blatant about his affair with Nathan. She accompanied him to dozens of public events -- town-hall meetings, the opera, fundraisers, and the St. Patrick's Day parade, marching alongside him just as the mayor's wife always has. She even joined him at the huge Y2K Millenium Celebration in Times Square. He sang to her in Italian in New York restaurants, and kept what one newspaper called (at the time) "a love nest" in the St. Regis Hotel. Rudy finally started divorce proceedings against Hanover in 2000 and married Judith Nathan in 2003.

Mob Ties (through his Dad and Uncle)

For a guy who made his name attacking the mob, Rudy Giuliani has a surprising number of mob ties himself, including his father Harold -- a convicted felon who, according to the book "Rudy! An Investigative Biography", was involved (with Rudy's uncle Leo) in a shoot-out with a mob competitor. The book charges that Harold's best friend Lou Carbonetti, Jr. was a mobbed-up Democratic Party leader with connections to the boxing world. Harold Guiliani did prison time for robbery and served as the collector for Giuiliani's uncle Leo. And yes, Rudy Giuliani is a fan of the Sopranos, but that doesn't prove NOTHING.

Married His Second Cousin

Giuliani married his second cousin, Regina Perrugi. After 14 years, he divorced her, but got an official "annulment" -- a decree from the Catholic Church that the marriage never really happened (for 14 years!!), thus allowing remarriage in the Church.

http://realchange.org/giuliani.htm


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^^ That's all ad hominem on Guiliani. It's irrelevant to what he said.

He said

quote:

"It's inherently racist because, number one, it divides us. ... All lives matter: White lives, black lives, all lives,"

"Number two: Black Lives Matter never protests when every 14 hours somebody is killed in Chicago, probably 70-80% of the time (by) a black person. Where are they then? Where are they when a young black child is killed?"
“The real danger to them — 99 out of 100 times — is other black kids who are going to kill them,” the Republican ex-mayor added, citing a fake statistic.

“That’s the way they’re gonna die,” he added.

If he “were a black father,” he said, he’d warn his son to “be very careful of those kids in the neighborhood and don’t get involved with them because, son, there’s a 99% chance they’re going to kill you — not the police!”


I don't think Black Livers Matters is a racist title.

That is just a reaction to not getting equal treatment

The 99% thing is obviously a made up percentage


quote:

According to FBI data, 90 per cent of black people murdered in the US in 2014 were killed by other black people and 82 per cent of white people murdered in 2014 were killed by other white people.




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quote:
Originally posted by xyyman:
Never knew all of this. 3 marriages and a Catholic to add to that? How do these people get away with that. Corrupt and unethical yet has the audacity and balls to be the face of "values".


Indeed. Let's look at the statement of "America's mayor"..

==================================================

Rudy says:
[the slogan Black Lives Matter] "It's inherently racist because, number one, it divides us. ... All lives matter: White lives, black lives, all lives,"

Baloney from a deceptive dinosaur who himself ignored, downplayed
or provided cover for racism in the NY Police Dept.
Of course "all lives matter." Whoever said they didn't? This is
the kind of simplistic right-wing pablum and strawman "spin" Giulanni
trades in. Its primary purpose is to dismiss and disparage
the legitimate concerns of black citizens over police conduct
and practice. That is Giulani's and the right wing's real
propaganda objective. They can dismiss and wave away embarrassing
questions about policies they helped support and implement that violate
civil liberties and unfairly harass a segment of the
population significantly based on what race they are.

If all lives matter as "Rudy" claims why did he show consistently
a callous attitude towards the black victims of police brutality,
or refuse to rein in the policies and practices he supported and touted
until not only black folk but a broad coalition of New Yorkers
took to the street in large numbers to embarrass him and drop
his poll numbers? The fallout of the Diallo slayings illustrates
the point. But not just Diallo, There were several police killings
some involving the "cowboys" of the plain-clothes unit that illustrated
that something was terribly wrong with aspects of Giuliani's police regime.
The Patrick Baley killing where prosecutors seemed to dawdle,
refusing to interview several witnesses to the police slaying
of the black man- a tactic critics said, designed to stymie the
investigation and shield racist cops- is yet another in a long
line of cases in point. Time and time again black parents and
relatives of victims of police misconduct met callous and contemptuous
treatment by Giulanni's henchmen in the system. Time and again
they were sandbagged and sidetracked, while the wrongdoers who killed
their children cruised comfortably on. Not my mere opinion-
such books as Why Blacks Fear 'America's Mayor" gives the ugly
details, and they are very ugly.

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"Number two: Black Lives Matter never protests when every 14 hours somebody is killed in Chicago, probably 70-80% of the time (by) a black person. Where are they then? Where are they when a young black child is killed?"
“The real danger to them — 99 out of 100 times — is other black kids who are going to kill them,” the Republican ex-mayor added, citing a fake statistic.

“That’s the way they’re gonna die,” he added.


This is partially a fair criticism of BLM, the amount of time they
SOMETIMES spend on media stunts rather than organizing within the black
community to help stem violence. But the same criticism can
be leveled at "Rudy." Why is it that he too spends so little
time criticizing racist practices, attitudes and personnel
under his administration, that demonized or victimized thousands of law abiding black people?


If he “were a black father,” he said, he’d warn his son to “be very careful of those kids in the neighborhood and don’t get involved with them because, son, there’s a 99% chance they’re going to kill you — not the police!”

Sounds so pious, but the statistic is fake. About 8 percent
of blacks murders nationwide are caused by white people (FBI stats 2013).
And how come "Rudy" doesn't likewise advise his police not to
constantly harass innocent young people, giving them arrest records
on various pretexts or saddling them with a record for
minor violations- in percentages way disproportionate compared
to white youth? For example black drug use is LESS than white drug
use, but its blacks more often singled out for targeting and
harassment than whites. The same pattern shows up in sentencing.
How come "America's mayor" seldom talks about such things?
Could it be that he himself is complicit in helping to intensify
that pattern in NYC? ANd not just the among police but prosecutors as
well that consistently refuse to vigorously prosecute police misconduct?
Again, "Rudy" has little to say about such things- they were
part and parcel of his administration.


If he “were a black father,”

The irony of this hypocrite's statement is that if he were a black
father whose son was killed by police in circumstances that
seemed to indicate the full story was not being told or worse about
his son's death, then said black father would be treated contemptuously
and callously by "Rudy" and his henchmen within the system, as if
the black father himself was a criminal.

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^^"Rudy" briefs Donald on black fathers..

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'How come "America's mayor" seldom talks about such things'

Cuz he is a racist.

(Also likely closeted - hence his masochistic behavior and beliefs )

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
Rudy Giuliani: "Black lives matter" is racist, anti-American

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8cUAb3df0M


I'm not sure his statistics are correct

The CDC Has Debunked The 'Absent Black Father' Myth

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http://uk.complex.com/pop-culture/2015/05/the-cdc-has-debunked-the-absent-black-father-myth

The Myth Of The Absent Black Father

https://thinkprogress.org/the-myth-of-the-absent-black-father-ecc4e961c2e8#.zaheoveln

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Zarahan,

Who said all lives don't matter? You,Troll Patrol,Mike,Kdolo,Clyde,MOM,Xy-YTPeople-Hater,Habsburg,Doug,Narmer,Fourty2Tribes,El-Maestro,Jantavanta,TheReal,Bonampak and BLM all of you have said White lives don't matter, that only Black lives matter.


Both are correct BLM is an Anti-White hate group the same as NOI,NBPP,BHIs are.

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I've heard Rudy Giuliani speak of his "family members being police officers", five to be exact.

Rudy Giuliani is the child of an immigrant. And this is the history of African Americans:


A Brief History of Slavery and the Origins of American Policing

Written by Victor E. Kappeler, Ph.D.


The birth and development of the American police can be traced to a multitude of historical, legal and political-economic conditions. The institution of slavery and the control of minorities, however, were two of the more formidable historic features of American society shaping early policing. Slave patrols and Night Watches, which later became modern police departments, were both designed to control the behaviors of minorities. For example, New England settlers appointed Indian Constables to police Native Americans (National Constable Association, 1995), the St. Louis police were founded to protect residents from Native Americans in that frontier city, and many southern police departments began as slave patrols. In 1704, the colony of Carolina developed the nation's first slave patrol. Slave patrols helped to maintain the economic order and to assist the wealthy landowners in recovering and punishing slaves who essentially were considered property.

Policing was not the only social institution enmeshed in slavery. Slavery was fully institutionalized in the American economic and legal order with laws being enacted at both the state and national divisions of government. Virginia, for example, enacted more than 130 slave statutes between 1689 and 1865. Slavery and the abuse of people of color, however, was not merely a southern affair as many have been taught to believe. Connecticut, New York and other colonies enacted laws to criminalize and control slaves. Congress also passed fugitive Slave Laws, laws allowing the detention and return of escaped slaves, in 1793 and 1850. As Turner, Giacopassi and Vandiver (2006:186) remark, “the literature clearly establishes that a legally sanctioned law enforcement system existed in America before the Civil War for the express purpose of controlling the slave population and protecting the interests of slave owners. The similarities between the slave patrols and modern American policing are too salient to dismiss or ignore. Hence, the slave patrol should be considered a forerunner of modern American law enforcement.”

The legacy of slavery and racism did not end after the Civil War. In fact it can be argued that extreme violence against people of color became even worse with the rise of vigilante groups who resisted Reconstruction. Because vigilantes, by definition, have no external restraints, lynch mobs had a justified reputation for hanging minorities first and asking questions later. Because of its tradition of slavery, which rested on the racist rationalization that Blacks were sub-human, America had a long and shameful history of mistreating people of color, long after the end of the Civil War. Perhaps the most infamous American vigilante group, the Ku Klux Klan started in the 1860s, was notorious for assaulting and lynching Black men for transgressions that would not be considered crimes at all, had a White man committed them. Lynching occurred across the entire county not just in the South. Finally, in 1871 Congress passed the Ku Klux Klan Act, which prohibited state actors from violating the Civil Rights of all citizens in part because of law enforcements’ involvement with the infamous group. This legislation, however, did not stem the tide of racial or ethnic abuse that persisted well into the 1960s.

Though having white skin did not prevent discrimination in America, being White undoubtedly made it easier for ethnic minorities to assimilate into the mainstream of America. The additional burden of racism has made that transition much more difficult for those whose skin is black, brown, red, or yellow. In no small part because of the tradition of slavery, Blacks have long been targets of abuse. The use of patrols to capture runaway slaves was one of the precursors of formal police forces, especially in the South. This disastrous legacy persisted as an element of the police role even after the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. In some cases, police harassment simply meant people of African descent were more likely to be stopped and questioned by the police, while at the other extreme, they have suffered beatings, and even murder, at the hands of White police. Questions still arise today about the disproportionately high numbers of people of African descent killed, beaten, and arrested by police in major urban cities of America.


--Victor E. Kappeler, Ph.D.
Associate Dean and Foundation Professor
School of Justice Studies
Eastern Kentucky University

References

National Constables Association (1995). Constable. In W. G. Bailey (Ed.), The Encyclopedia of Police Science (2nd ed., pp. 114–114). New York, NY: Garland Press.

Turner, K. B. , Giacopassi , D. , & Vandiver , M. (2006) . Ignoring the Past: Coverage of Slavery and Slave Patrols in Criminal Justice Texts. Journal of Criminal Justice Education, 17: (1), 181–195.

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While Rudy Giuliani the child of immigrants came to endow white priivalges in America, black Americans who lived there for way longer had to suffer under racist policies created by white politicians. For some odd reason I don't hear Rudy Giuliani talking about this part of history.


The State Against Blacks

'The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery couldn't do. . . . And that is to destroy the black family.'

By Jason L. Riley Updated Jan. 22, 2011 12:01 a.m. ET
Devon, Pa.

'Sometimes I sarcastically, perhaps cynically, say that I'm glad that I received virtually all of my education before it became fashionable for white people to like black people," writes Walter Williams in his new autobiography, "Up from the Projects." "By that I mean that I encountered back then a more honest assessment of my strengths and weaknesses. Professors didn't hesitate to criticize me—sometimes to the point of saying, 'That's nonsense.'"

Mr. Williams, an economist at George Mason University, is contrasting being black and poor in the 1940s and '50s with today's experience. It's a theme that permeates his short, bracing volume of reminiscence, and it's where we began our conversation on a recent morning at his home in suburban Philadelphia.

"We lived in the Richard Allen housing projects" in Philadelphia, says Mr. Williams. "My father deserted us when I was three and my sister was two. But we were the only kids who didn't have a mother and father in the house. These were poor black people and a few whites living in a housing project, and it was unusual not to have a mother and father in the house. Today, in the same projects, it would be rare to have a mother and father in the house."

Even in the antebellum era, when slaves often weren't permitted to wed, most black children lived with a biological mother and father. During Reconstruction and up until the 1940s, 75% to 85% of black children lived in two-parent families. Today, more than 70% of black children are born to single women. "The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery couldn't do, what Jim Crow couldn't do, what the harshest racism couldn't do," Mr. Williams says. "And that is to destroy the black family."

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Government programs and regulations are favorite butts of the professor, who is best known today for his weekly column—started in 1977 and now appearing in more than 140 newspapers—and for his stints guest-hosting Rush Limbaugh's popular radio program. Libertarianism is currently in vogue, thanks to the election of a statist president and the subsequent rise of the tea party movement. But Walter Williams was a libertarian before it was cool. And like other prominent right-of-center blacks—Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steele—his intellectual odyssey began on the political left.

"I was more than anything a radical," says Mr. Williams. "I was more sympathetic to Malcolm X than Martin Luther King because Malcolm X was more of a radical who was willing to confront discrimination in ways that I thought it should be confronted, including perhaps the use of violence.

"But I really just wanted to be left alone. I thought some laws, like minimum-wage laws, helped poor people and poor black people and protected workers from exploitation. I thought they were a good thing until I was pressed by professors to look at the evidence."

During his junior year at California State College in Los Angeles, Mr. Williams switched his major from sociology to economics after reading W.E.B. Du Bois's "Black Reconstruction in America," a Marxist take on the South's transformation after the Civil War that will never be confused with "The Wealth of Nations." Even so, the book taught him that "black people cannot make great progress until they understand the economic system, until they know something about economics."

He earned his doctorate in 1972 from UCLA, which had one of the top economics departments in the country, and he says he "probably became a libertarian through exposure to tough-mined professors"—James Buchanan, Armen Alchian, Milton Friedman—"who encouraged me to think with my brain instead of my heart. I learned that you have to evaluate the effects of public policy as opposed to intentions."

Mr. Williams distinguished himself in the mid-1970s through his research on the effects of the Davis-Bacon Act of 1931—which got the government involved in setting wage levels—and on the impact of minimum-wage law on youth and minority unemployment. He concluded that minimum wages caused high rates of teenage unemployment, particularly among minority teenagers. His research also showed that Davis-Bacon, which requires high prevailing (read: union) wages on federally financed or assisted construction projects, was the product of lawmakers with explicitly racist motivations.

One of Congress's goals at the time was to stop black laborers from displacing whites by working for less money. Missouri Rep. John Cochran said that he had "received numerous complaints in recent months about Southern contractors employing low-paid colored mechanics." And Alabama Rep. Clayton Allgood fretted about contractors with "cheap colored labor . . . of the sort that is in competition with white labor throughout the country."

Today just 17% of construction workers are unionized, but Democratic politicians, in deference to the AFL-CIO, have kept Davis-Bacon in place to protect them. Because most black construction workers aren't union members, however, the law has the effect of freezing them out of jobs. It also serves to significantly increase the costs of government projects, since there are fewer contractors to bid on them than there would be without Davis-Bacon.

Analysis of this issue launched Mr. Williams's career as a public intellectual, and in 1982 he published his first book, "The State Against Blacks," arguing that laws regulating economic activity are far larger impediments to black progress than racial bigotry and discrimination. Nearly 30 years later, he stands by that premise.

"Racial discrimination is not the problem of black people that it used to be" in his youth, says Mr. Williams. "Today I doubt you could find any significant problem that blacks face that is caused by racial discrimination. The 70% illegitimacy rate is a devastating problem, but it doesn't have a damn thing to do with racism. The fact that in some areas black people are huddled in their homes at night, sometimes serving meals on the floor so they don't get hit by a stray bullet—that's not because the Klan is riding through the neighborhood."

Over the decades, Mr. Williams's writings have sought to highlight "the moral superiority of individual liberty and free markets," as he puts it. "I try to write so that economics is understandable to the ordinary person without an economics background." His motivation? "I think it's important for people to understand the ideas of scarcity and decision-making in everyday life so that they won't be ripped off by politicians," he says. "Politicians exploit economic illiteracy."

Which is why, he adds, the tea party movement is a positive development in our politics and long overdue. "For the first time in my lifetime—and I'm approaching 75 years old—you hear Americans debating about the U.S. Constitution," he says. "You hear them saying 'This is unconstitutional' or 'We need limits on government'—things that I haven't heard before. I've been arguing them for years, but now there's widespread acceptance of the idea that we need to limit the government."

Still, he's concerned about how far the country has strayed from the type of limited government envisioned by the Founding Fathers. "In 1794, Congress appropriated $15,000 to help some French refugees," he says. In objection, "James Madison stood on the House floor and said he could not take to lay his finger on that article in the Constitution that allows Congress to take the money of its constituents for the purposes of benevolence. Well, if you look at the federal budget today, two-thirds to three-quarters of it is for the purposes of benevolence."

Mr. Williams says that "if there is anything good to be said about the Democratic White House and the [previous] Congress and their brazen attempt to take over the economy and control our lives, it's that the tea party movement has come out of it. But we have gone so far from the basic constitutional principles that made us a great country that it's a question of whether we can get back."

The place to start, says Mr. Williams by way of advice to the new Republican House, is on the spending side of the federal ledger. "We need a constitutional amendment that limits the amount of money the government can spend," he says. "Let's say 18% of GDP to start. The benefit of a spending limitation amendment is that you're going to force Congress to trade off against the various spending constituencies. Somebody says, 'I want you to spend $10 billion on this,' and the congressman can respond, 'My hands are tied, so you have to show me where I can cut $10 billion first.'"

Mr. Williams says he hopes that the tea party has staying power, but "liberty and limited government is the unusual state of human affairs. The normal state throughout mankind's history is for him to be subject to arbitrary abuse and control by government."

He adds: "A historian writing 100 or 200 years from now might well say, 'You know, there was this little historical curiosity that existed for maybe 200 years, where people were free from arbitrary abuse and control by government and where there was a large measure of respect for private property rights. But then it went back to the normal state of affairs.'"

Hoping to end our conversation on a sunnier note, I pose a final question about race. "A Man of Letters," Thomas Sowell's fabulous book of correspondence, includes a letter the Stanford economist sent in 2006 to Mr. Williams, whom he's known for four decades. "[B]ack in the early years," writes Mr. Sowell, "you and I were pretty pessimistic as to whether what we were writing would make an impact—especially since the two of us seemed to be the only ones saying what we were saying. Today at least we know that there are lots of other blacks writing and saying similar things . . . and many of them are sufficiently younger that we know there will be good people carrying on the fight after we are gone."

Asked if he shares his friend's optimism, Mr. Williams responds that he does. "You find more and more black people—not enough in my opinion but more and more—questioning the status quo," he says. "When I fill in for Rush, I get emails from blacks who say they agree with what I'm saying. And there are a lot of white people questioning ideas on race, too. There's less white guilt out there. It's progress."


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I have yet to see the All Lives Matter Movement..yeah! that's right they don't exist.
He is over compensating for his family's criminal past, his dad was a felon robbing a Harlem milk man and was a mafia enforcer.

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Typo in my last post. (endow white priivalges) Enjoy white privilege.


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I have yet to see the All Lives Matter Movement..yeah! that's right they don't exist.
He is over compensating for his family's criminal past, his dad was a felon robbing a Harlem milk man and was a mafia enforcer.

If so, technically they should have shot him. The whole round in the chest, or back. (I don't know if that was politically correct or incorrect?)
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quote:

'The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery couldn't do. . . . And that is to destroy the black family.'

Stupidass comment if ever I saw it. Selling families that'd never see each other again and raping black women didn't destroy families? Give this guy a urine test, I think he's on something!
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Police Behavior during
Tra c and Street Stops, 2011
Lynn Langton, Ph.D., and Matthew Durose, BJS Statisticians


http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/pbtss11.pdf

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