Central Europe had two mass migrations, one coming from the crescent region (these maybe came from Siberia originally) the other stream came Siberia to inhabit the North of Europe, these then moved to Central Europe. The time and dates of these happenings I can't say with certainty. (That is open to interpretation)....
Clown, that map shows THE FERTILE CRESCENT NOT THE CRESCENT! This just shows how dumb you truly are, but you think you're bright. SMH
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: So you're claim is that the Southen Caucasus isn't referend to, as the Crescent?
Yes my claim is there is no reference the Southern Caucus or any part of the Caucus is referred to as "the Crescent" and you claiming that it is is a LIE.
LOL You're dumb you know that, right?
Do you have any clue where the crescent topologically is locate on this map, and do you have nay clue where the Southern caucasus is topologically located on this map? lol
Do your understand where these two meet/ cross topologically? SMH
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: You say that there are several dates given on these migrations. What are some of those dates?
This is very important to people who post in this forum. Why are you disregarding their concerns?
What are some of the possible dates of mass migrations of whites from Central Asia or Siberia into Europe ? At least give us 2 or 3 credible theories on the date of this
Mindovermatter, don't help him. He can do it
Dating between 6 thousand and 1500 years ago.
quote:Was it a massive migration? Or was it rather a slow and persistent seeping of people, items and ideas that laid the foundation for the demographic map of Europe and Central Asia that we see today? The Bronze Age (about 5,000 – 3,000 years ago) was a period with large cultural upheavals. But just how these upheavals came to be have remained shrouded in mystery.
Assistant Professor Morten Allentoft from the Centre for GeoGenetics at the Natural History Museum of Denmark at the University of Copenhagen is a geneticist and is first author on the paper in Nature. He says:
- Both archaeologists and linguists have had theories about how cultures and languages have spread in our part of the world. We geneticists have now collaborated with them to publish an explanation based on a record amount of DNA-analyses of skeletons from the Bronze Age.
So far the archaeologists have been divided into two different camps. Professor Kristian Kristiansen of the University of Gothenburg, who initiated the project together with Lundbeck Foundation Professor Eske Willerslev says:
- The driving force in our study was to understand the big economical and social changes that happened at the beginning of the third millennium BC, spanning the Urals to Scandinavia. The old Neolithic farming cultures were replaced by a completely new perception of family, property and personhood. I and other archaeologists share the opinion that these changes came about as a result of massive migrations.
quote: By ~6,000–5,000 years ago, farmers throughout much of Europe had more hunter-gatherer ancestry than their predecessors, but in Russia, the Yamnaya steppe herders of this time were descended not only from the preceding eastern European hunter-gatherers, but also from a population of Near Eastern ancestry. [/b]Western and Eastern Europe came into contact ~4,500 years ago, as the Late Neolithic Corded Ware people from Germany traced ~75% of their ancestry to the Yamnaya, documenting a massive migration into the heartland of Europe from its eastern periphery. [/b]
This steppe ancestry persisted in all sampled central Europeans until at least ~3,000 years ago, and is ubiquitous in present-day Europeans. These results provide support for a steppe origin of at least some of the Indo-European languages of Europe.
--Wolfgang Haak et al.
Massive migration from the steppe was a source for Indo-European languages in Europe
You are a lame and funny individual. Dumb white supremacist. Retarded nazi.
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Central Europe had two mass migrations, one coming from the crescent region (these maybe came from Siberia originally) the other stream came Siberia to inhabit the North of Europe, these then moved to Central Europe. The time and dates of these happenings I can't say with certainty. (That is open to interpretation)....
Clown, that map shows THE FERTILE CRESCENT NOT THE CRESCENT! This just shows how dumb you truly are, but you think you're bright. SMH
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: So you're claim is that the Southen Caucasus isn't referend to, as the Crescent?
Yes my claim is there is no reference the Southern Caucus or any part of the Caucus is referred to as "the Crescent" and you claiming that it is is a LIE.
LOL You're dumb you know that, right?
why are you calling me dumb? You said the Southen Caucasus is referred to as "the crescent". You have now posted a map that has nothing to do with the whether or not the Southern Caucus is called "the crescent"
The long you try to hide and cover up mistakes is the longer it's you who looks dumb
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Central Europe had two mass migrations, one coming from the crescent region (these maybe came from Siberia originally) the other stream came Siberia to inhabit the North of Europe, these then moved to Central Europe. The time and dates of these happenings I can't say with certainty. (That is open to interpretation)....
Clown, that map shows THE FERTILE CRESCENT NOT THE CRESCENT! This just shows how dumb you truly are, but you think you're bright. SMH
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: So you're claim is that the Southen Caucasus isn't referend to, as the Crescent?
Yes my claim is there is no reference the Southern Caucus or any part of the Caucus is referred to as "the Crescent" and you claiming that it is is a LIE.
LOL You're dumb you know that, right?
why are you calling me dumb? You said the Southen Caucasus is referred to as "the crescent". You have now posted a map that has nothing to do with the whether or not the Southern Caucus is called "the crescent"
The long you try to hide and cover up mistakes is the longer it's you who looks dumb
Because it is. lol
I have no map this that ... lol Shut dumbass. The more you type the dumber you look. The Northern part of the crescent overlaps the Southern part of the Caucasus.
quote:We sequenced Early Neolithic genomes from the Zagros region of Iran (eastern Fertile Crescent), where some of the earliest evidence for farming is found, and identify a previously uncharacterized population that is neither ancestral to the first European farmers nor has contributed significantly to the ancestry of modern Europeans.
These people are estimated to have separated from Early Neolithic farmers in Anatolia some 46-77,000 years ago and show affinities to modern day Pakistani and Afghan populations, but particularly to Iranian Zoroastrians.
We conclude that multiple, genetically differentiated hunter-gatherer populations adopted farming in SW-Asia, that components of pre-Neolithic population structure were preserved as farming spread into neighboring regions, and that the Zagros region was the cradle of eastward expansion.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] You say that there are several dates given on these migrations. What are some of those dates?
This is very important to people who post in this forum. Why are you disregarding their concerns?
What are some of the possible dates of mass migrations of whites from Central Asia or Siberia into Europe ? At least give us 2 or 3 credible theories on the date of this
Mindovermatter, don't help him. He can do it
Dating between 6 thousand and 1500 years ago.
quote:Was it a massive migration? Or was it rather a slow and persistent seeping of people, items and ideas that laid the foundation for the demographic map of Europe and Central Asia that we see today? The Bronze Age (about 5,000 – 3,000 years ago) was a period with large cultural upheavals. But just how these upheavals came to be have remained shrouded in mystery.
Assistant Professor Morten Allentoft from the Centre for GeoGenetics at the Natural History Museum of Denmark at the University of Copenhagen is a geneticist and is first author on the paper in Nature. He says:
- Both archaeologists and linguists have had theories about how cultures and languages have spread in our part of the world. We geneticists have now collaborated with them to publish an explanation based on a record amount of DNA-analyses of skeletons from the Bronze Age.
So far the archaeologists have been divided into two different camps. Professor Kristian Kristiansen of the University of Gothenburg, who initiated the project together with Lundbeck Foundation Professor Eske Willerslev says:
- The driving force in our study was to understand the big economical and social changes that happened at the beginning of the third millennium BC, spanning the Urals to Scandinavia. The old Neolithic farming cultures were replaced by a completely new perception of family, property and personhood. I and other archaeologists share the opinion that these changes came about as a result of massive migrations.
quote: By ~6,000–5,000 years ago, farmers throughout much of Europe had more hunter-gatherer ancestry than their predecessors, but in Russia, the Yamnaya steppe herders of this time were descended not only from the preceding eastern European hunter-gatherers, but also from a population of Near Eastern ancestry. [/b]Western and Eastern Europe came into contact ~4,500 years ago, as the Late Neolithic Corded Ware people from Germany traced ~75% of their ancestry to the Yamnaya, documenting a massive migration into the heartland of Europe from its eastern periphery. [/b]
This steppe ancestry persisted in all sampled central Europeans until at least ~3,000 years ago, and is ubiquitous in present-day Europeans. These results provide support for a steppe origin of at least some of the Indo-European languages of Europe.
--Wolfgang Haak et al.
Massive migration from the steppe was a source for Indo-European languages in Europe
Ish Gebor in your own words approximately when did a mass migration of Central Asians come into Central and Northern Europe?
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: Dating between 6 thousand and 1500 years ago.
Ok looking at the more recent date 1500 years ago you have posted a map of the Celts.
The Celts enter history around 400 BC and are said to have come out of the Hallstatt culture circa 800 - 500 BC shown on your map. That is located in Austria.
The predecessor is believed to be the Urnfield culture 1300 — c. 750 BCE. The Urnfield culture was located in an area stretching from western Hungary to eastern France, from the Alps to near the North Sea.
there are a few more predecessor cultures before that and then we wind up with the Bell Beaker culture. though from c. 2400 BCE Bell Beaker expanded eastwards over parts of Central and Eastern Europe where Corded Ware previously thrived
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^ that's all Europe
similarly the Corded Ware culture circa 2900 BCE — circa 2350
Corded Ware culture encompassed a vast area, from the Rhine on the west to the Volga in the east, occupying parts of Northern Europe, Central Europe and Eastern Europe.
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I asked you about Central Asians coming into Europe. The Celts were not Central Asians nor were their predecessors so your 1500 years ago date must be too recent, plus none of your text references are speaking of a mass migration of Central Asians 1500 years ago. They are talking earlier
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^ Dumbo the upheavals, the arrows are located at Austria, but the actual marker goes further than "present day" Austria. Are you crooked? It stars further east. Further more it says SPREAD!!!!! Do you know what the word spread means? LOL SMH
Celts were not Central Asians, of course not. lol And yes, 1500 years ago is relatively recent, so is 2900Ya. Somehow you missed the part where it says REPLACEMENT! MEGA LOL.
My point as I said from the beginning was, that several times are indicated. So your stupid cycle is meaningless. What is relevant is that the origins lie within Central Asia, whether the Northern (Iberia) or Southern part (caucasus), doesn't matter to me. It is what it is. Whether you like this or not.
quote:The story of the Celts began 5,000 years ago in Central Asia and is a saga of wars, alliances, victories and defeats.
The story of the Celts began 5,000 years ago in the nomadic steppes of Central Asia when the Kurdan people tamed the horse and then began a southward trek first into the Caucasus (Around 2400 BC) where the Indo European culture emerged, then into Anatolia from whence arose the mighty Hittite empire and then finally around 1800 BC into the Baltic regions, into what is now Eastern and Central Europe where the Unetice culture began.
It was the Huns who precipitated the Great Migrations into the Western Roman Empire in the form they took in the late fourth and fifth centuries. They were a confederation of Central Asian tribes, who came to spread out across a large area of Eurasia. They hover on the edges of our story, because although they established control over a large area of Eastern Europe under Attila’s rule (434-453), they never settled in large numbers within the Roman Empire itself: they preferred to raid it and leave its government to others. Instead, they pushed first the Goths, and then other Germanic peoples, to invade the Roman Empire to escape from them.
The Vandals, Alans and Sueves
Sizeable numbers of all three of these groups were displaced by the Huns, and travelled down the North Bank of the Danube to escape them. After battling with the Franks, who controlled the northern Rhine regions, they were able to walk across the river Rhine when it froze in the cold winter of 406-7, and invade Gaul. They moved South, and in 409 moved into Spain, where they tried to settle but were dislodged by the Visigoths.
In 429, the Vandals moved on to North Africa, in part of the complicated political manoeuvring of the dying Roman empire, when different groups would be promised lands in return for military aid to different court factions. They were at the gates of Hippo as its bishop, Augustine, was dying.
The Visigoths
In 376, the Goths, long-standing traders with and mercenaries for the Roman Empire, who were settled in large numbers on the north bank of the Danube, came under aggressive attack from the Huns. Their leader came to an agreement with the Emperor Valens that they would be given lands and allowed to settle on the Mediterranean side of the Danube; however, there was a famine, the emperor reneged on his promise and the Goths attacked, killing the emperor at the Battle of Adrianople in 378 and decimating the Roman field army. The Goths were inside the empire to stay, soon becoming known as the Visigoths (originally a tribal name, which became identified as meaning 'Western Goths').
From then on, they alternately made peace with various Roman emperors and generals and were double-crossed by them. Eventually they sacked Rome under Alaric in 410 (the incident that led Augustine to write his City of God). They were asked by Honorius to help drive the Vandals out of Spain, and settled in the Aquitaine in 418, the nucleus of what would become, by 475, an independent Visigothic kingdom covering most of the Iberian peninsula.
Ostrogoths
The Ostrogoths were a second wave of Goths from the around the Crimean, who had been a subject part of Attila's kingdom, but rebelled in the early 450s. They settled within the Roman Empire, on the Dalmatian coast, and were sent by the Byzantine emperor Zeno to take back Italy from Odoacer, who had deposed the last nominal Roman emperor of the West, Romulus Augustulus, in 476. Theodoric, the great Ostrogothic general, did so, inviting Odoacer to a banquet in 493 and killing him at the table. Theodoric ruled from Ravenna, where his mausoleum survives, together with several churches he had decorated with beautiful mosaics.
Franks
The Franks were a loose group of tribes who inhabited the Upper Rhine, a number of whom were living within the bounds of the empire from the mid-fourth century. They were further displaced in the early fifth century, partly by skirmishes with the Vandals, Sueves and Alans, as the latter made their way down the Rhine to escape from the Huns, and partly by the Huns themselves. They spread into Northern Gaul, following and continuing to skirmish with the other tribes. Two successful leaders, Childeric (who reigned c.457 – 481) and his son Clovis (who reigned 481-511), established Frankish dominance more securely there, ruling most of France north of the Loire. Clovis' decision to convert to the Nicene version of Christianity in 496 may have been decisive for its re-establishment in Western Europe, as the Frankish kingdom continued to prosper.
Scots
The Scots, or Irish, are mentioned by the fourth-century Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus as perpetuating countless attacks on Roman Britain, presumably all along the West coast. When the Roman troops were withdrawn in the early years of the fifth century, these attacks increased. At apparently around the same the same time, the late fourth or early fifth century (though its origins are lost in legend), the West of Scotland, Argyll and the Isles, was settled by Scots from Ulster, though these regions may always have looked West owing to their greater accessibility by sea than by land. Their territorial control grew imperceptibly over the next few centuries, helped by the monastic connections of powerful characters such as Columba of Iona.
Britons
After the withdrawal of the Roman administration in the early fifth century, the Britons were relatively vulnerable. They were raided from the North by the Picts, from the West by the Scots/Irish, and from the East by the Germanic tribes. There may already have been a number of Germanic mercenaries in Roman Britain; in any case, and whether or not they invited them over, the Britons were steadily pushed West by them over the ensuing centuries, into Dumbartonshire, Cumberland, Wales and the West Country. A number of them in the meantime settled in Brittany, which was itself, however, subject to Scots/Irish raids.
I have answered your question and responded to your requests.
It's time to continue the O.P.'s thread, thanks for you time of diversion and distractions. But no thanks.
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Why the **** did you remove the remainings of my post, then ask me crackpot questions?
quote: Modern-day Austria and Germany have been united at various points in history: their predecessors within the Holy Roman Empire, the Austrian-led German Confederation prior to the unification of German states under Prussia in 1871 and, most recently, the Anschluss in 1938 annexed Austria to the Third Reich.
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: ^ Dumbo the upheavals, the arrows are located Austria, but the actual marker goes further than "present day" Austria. Are you crooked? It stars further east. Further more it says SPREAD!!!!! Do you know what the word spread means? LOL SMH
Celts were not Central Asians, of course not. And yes, 1500 years ago is relatively recent, so is 2900Ya. Somehow you missed the part where it says REPLACEMENT! LARGE LOL.
My point as I said from the beginning was, that several point are indicated.
So if I asked you when did some masses of Central Asians come into Europe and you posted the Celts who spread from 900 BC and you now say "Celts were not Central Asians, of course not. " Why are your now posting on the Huns with an even more recent history in the region your text says "434-453" (AD) ???
You seem confused. I am asking you when masses of Central Asians came in and replaced earlier Europeans. Now you are saying it was the Huns who started invading the Eastern Roman Empire in 395 are a base population for modern Europeans? The only group in Europe that has Hun ancestry are the Magyars in Hungary.
We are trying to get to the time period at which huge masses of Central Asians came in and replaced the population. Obviously modern Europeans in general are not largely comprised of Hun ancestry
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
It was the Huns who precipitated the Great Migrations into the Western Roman Empire in the form they took in the late fourth and fifth centuries. They were a confederation of Central Asian tribes, who came to spread out across a large area of Eurasia. They hover on the edges of our story, because although they established control over a large area of Eastern Europe under Attila’s rule (434-453), they never settled in large numbers within the Roman Empire itself: they preferred to raid it and leave its government to others. Instead, they pushed first the Goths, and then other Germanic peoples, to invade the Roman Empire to escape from them.
^ so what happened prior to these Huns coming in?
The Germanic people were in Europe.
So this whole Huns thing is an irrelevant diversion
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^For those wondering how I know that Cass is a mulatto; It's because I know what modern Europeans originally looked like. All modern Europeans descend from either the Germanics, Slav's or Turks from Central Asia.
HERODOTUS circa 440 B.C.
Book 4: [4.108] The Budini are a large and powerful nation: they have all deep blue eyes, and bright red hair. (At this time the Budini were still in their home territory east of the Tanais (Don) River, in what is now modern day Russia.
Tacitus (56-118 A.D.)
The Roman historian Cornelius Tacitus (56-118 A.D.) Tacitus: Germany Book 1 [1]. Describing the Germanics, who along with the Slav's and Turks are the current White people in the world. (The Germanics have by now migrated across northern Europe and settled in western Europe and Britain).
Here Tacitus is describing the western Germanics: (They) All have fierce blue eyes, red hair, huge frames, fit only for a sudden exertion. They are less able to bear laborious work. Heat and thirst they cannot in the least endure; to cold and hunger their climate and their soil inure them.
^^^ note the dates, hundreds of years prior to the Huns invading the region
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It would be good to know which book that picture is in. As that Black Knight is one (of many - all), whose identity the Albinos hide by declaring him to be the mythical Saint Maurice.
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Lioness is trying to derail this thread, please ignore her and not acknowledge her presence in this thread. Ish.....
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quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter: How does one get access to databases and libraries, are there torrent leaks and files of them uploaded online? If you or anyone here knows about them, is there anyway you could PM those?
One of the ways is to require a Ph.D. in the specific field.
Here's the full post. Same problem. In your own words what is " starting to make sense now." ?
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quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter: Lioness is trying to derail this thread, please ignore her and not acknowledge her presence in this thread. Ish.....
don't get scared now
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quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter: Lioness is trying to derail this thread, please ignore her and not acknowledge her presence in this thread. Ish.....
Already did.
Black Legions.
quote: Three days of blood-soaked butchery in the unfamiliar forests of Germany culminated in one of the Roman Empire's darkest moments, and may have helped shape the Europe of today
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Nice Ish Gebor maps of White Eurasians invasion of the majority Brown and Black Europe. Nice picture of Black Knight said to be Saint Moor or Saint Maurice.Nice painting of Garden of delight by Lioness.
I think The Habsburg royal family of the holy Roman Empire using the black eagle as their symbol and other European family using the black lion as their symbol symbolized the power of the Black ancestor who founded the monarchy or created the Kingdom.
An illustration from Schedelsche Weltchronik depicting the structure of the Reich: The Holy Roman Emperor is sitting; on his right are three ecclesiastics; on his left are four secular electors.
oat of arms of an emperor with Reichsadler
The Quarter Eagle, hand-coloured woodcut (c. 1510) by Hans Burgkmair.
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St.Andrews, Byzantine Black European saint, 10th century, Russian icon:
"The Descent of the Holy Spirit." Archiepiscopal shop in Veliky Novgorod. The turn of XV-XVI centuries."
Portugese Sailors in Japan 1542 A.D:
Depiction of Prestor John, 1655-1680 Britsh Museum:
19th Century Russian Icon - St. Nicholas:
Coat of Arms of Groß-Enzersdorf is a town and municipality in the district of Gänserndorf in the Austrian state of Lower Austria, directly to the east of Vienna and north of the river Danube:
English: Coat of arms (shield only) of Clemens Wenzeslaus August Hubertus Franz Xaver von Sachsen, bishop of Regensburg, Germany (1763 - 1768), bishop of Freising, Germany (1763 - 1768), archbishop of Trier, Germany (1768 - 1801), bishop of Augsburg, Germany (1768 - 1812). Coat of arms currently used in Freising Germany:
BTW Liarness, yes ^^^^^these are WHAT THE BLACK NEOLITHIC MIDDLE EASTERN FARMER MIGRANTS TO EUROPE MOST LIKELY LOOKED LIKE AND PROBABLY ACTUALLY LOOKED LIKE!
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Hammaborg ist Mitglied bei der Chivalric Fighting Arts Association
As early as the late middle ages, people of African descent began appearing in European treatises on swordsmanship and the martial arts, such as the book of Hans Talhoffer (1467), plates of which are featured below:
About seventy-five years later, combatants of African descent were also illustrated in the martial arts treatise of Paulus Hector Mair (1542).
Above: Plates from the work of Hans Tallhoffer (thanks to Michael Chidester for locating these images)
Above: A sickle fencer, clearly of African descent, pictured in Paulus Hector Mair’s De arte athletica, published in Augsburg, Germany, ca 1542.
Above: A fencer of African descent, wielding an early rapier (or “sidesword”) pictured in Paulus Hector Mair’s De arte athletica, published in Augsburg, Germany, ca 1542. Source:
Hammaborg ist Mitglied bei der Chivalric Fighting Arts Association
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ROTFLMBO, ohh lord I gotta stop laughing. Man the things you Anti-White Black supremacists come up with ROFLMBO. Such hatred for Whites, so much so that you'll out right lie to try to claim Whites are inferior lol. Thanks Troll Patrol keep giving me ammunition Dutch wanna be. I'll be keeping this one,after all you posted it so you obviously agree. Not to mention you like to make statements then claim you didn't say it.
AWW Why did you remove that post Troll Patrol hmmm???
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quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: ROTFLMBO, ohh lord I gotta stop laughing. Man the things you Anti-White Black supremacists come up with ROFLMBO. Such hatred for Whites, so much so that you'll out right lie to try to claim Whites are inferior lol. Thanks Troll Patrol keep giving me ammunition Dutch wanna be. I'll be keeping this one,after all you posted it so you obviously agree. Not to mention you like to make statements then claim you didn't say it.
AWW Why did you remove that post Troll Patrol hmmm???
I have better ones for now. I need confirmation on the others. As soon as that is done, I will repost them for you honey. Don't worry.
Enjoy,
Thomas-Alexandre Dumas (1762-1806)
Sketch entitled “St. Georges and the Dragon,” depicting Saint-Georges boxing.
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^^^Ish it looks like Mike IS RIGHT! Black European Christians and Black Muslims DID NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH EACH OTHER! They BOTH HOWEVER DID HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BOTH WHITE PROTESTANT CHRISTIANS AND EURASIAN ALBINO WHITE MIGRANTS/IMMIGRANTS OF VARIOUS STRIPES AS WELL AS WHITE TURKISH/TURKIC ALBINO MUSLIMS!
And the French texts above, with them mentioning Black European christian's fighting alongside Black/colored/non-white Islamic moors to ATTACK AND DRIVE OUT WHITE ALBINO EURASIAN TYPE PEOPLE FROM EUROPE; PROVES MIKE'S THEORY ABOUT THOSE SO CALLED MEDIEVAL AND POST-ANCIENT EUROPEAN "RELIGIOUS" WARS AS REALLY BEING RACIAL/RACE BASED CONFLICTS AND WARS BETWEEN BLACK EUROPEANS/AFRICANS, AND WHITE EURASIAN ALBINO INVADERS AND MIGRANTS AND IMMIGRANTS!
I basically deduced and figured this out in this thread here:
Basically the post-Roman and early Medieval Catholic Europeans were the Black Europeans and the protestant Europeans were the White Eurasian albino Europeans.
There was routine fighting and massacre events like the St.Barthelow's day massacre, where Black European Catholics tried to drive out and attack or extinguish the White Eurasian albino presence in Europe; but it seems that the number of White Eurasian albino's were too great for the Black Europeans to overcome....
More:
Coat of arms, Sankt Peter am Kammersberg, Germany:
Bishop coat of arms Freising Germany:
Another Coat of Arms seen in Freising Germany:
Brungardt Coat of Arms, Nuremberg, Bavaria, Germany, 1505.:
Eching Wappen Coat of Arms Eching is a municipality in the Upper Bavarian District of Freising Germany:
Coat of Arms under the Savoy Kingdom of Sardinia flag, by Johannes Jansonnius 1642:
19th century coat of arms of the Kingdom of Sardinia under the Savoy dynasty:
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^^^ Ish Gebor what do these black "moor" heads represent in Heraldry? What is the meaning of some of the various symbols they used on these crests and coats of arms?
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It was the Huns who precipitated the Great Migrations into the Western Roman Empire in the form they took in the late fourth and fifth centuries. They were a confederation of Central Asian tribes, who came to spread out across a large area of Eurasia. They hover on the edges of our story, because although they established control over a large area of Eastern Europe under Attila’s rule (434-453), they never settled in large numbers within the Roman Empire itself: they preferred to raid it and leave its government to others. Instead, they pushed first the Goths, and then other Germanic peoples, to invade the Roman Empire to escape from them.
Ish Gebor the above is not a very clear historical outline of the "barbarian migrations" but we'll look at it anyway.
The above says the Huns were a confederation of Central Asian tribes. The map shows their movements According to your source they first pushed first the Germanic peoples, the Goths and others to invade the Roman Empire to escape from them.
It goes on to say the Huns never settled in large numbers within the Roman Empire itself. They pushed the Germanic people to invade the Roman empire it wasn't the Central Asians who actually came in and migrated in this period.
So these Central Asian barbarians attacked the Germanic Goth people who were all called "barbarians" of another type. The word "barbarian" derives from the Greek word "barbaroi " which meant "all that are not Greek,"
Tell us more about these Germanic Goth people. Were they white people? What were they doing before the Huns attacked them in 376?
Also what is this term "Germania" that the Greeks and Romans talked about? Was that the same location as Germany?
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It was the Huns who precipitated the Great Migrations into the Western Roman Empire in the form they took in the late fourth and fifth centuries. They were a confederation of Central Asian tribes, who came to spread out across a large area of Eurasia. They hover on the edges of our story, because although they established control over a large area of Eastern Europe under Attila’s rule (434-453), they never settled in large numbers within the Roman Empire itself: they preferred to raid it and leave its government to others. Instead, they pushed first the Goths, and then other Germanic peoples, to invade the Roman Empire to escape from them.
Ish Gebor the above is not a very clear historical outline of the "barbarian migrations" but we'll look at it anyway.
The above says the Huns were a confederation of Central Asian tribes. The map shows their movements According to your source they first pushed first the Germanic peoples, the Goths and others to invade the Roman Empire to escape from them.
It goes on to say the Huns never settled in large numbers within the Roman Empire itself. They pushed the Germanic people to invade the Roman empire it wasn't the Central Asians who actually came in and migrated in this period.
So these Central Asian barbarians attacked the Germanic Goth people who were all called "barbarians" of another type. The word "barbarian" derives from the Greek word "barbaroi " which meant "all that are not Greek,"
Tell us more about these Germanic Goth people. Were they white people? What were they doing before the Huns attacked them in 376?
Also what is this term "Germania" that the Greeks and Romans talked about? Was that the same location as Germany?
^^^Ish please ignore Lioness in this post and carry the discussion in the Black Anatolian thread. And please continue posting more pictures of Black Europeans instead of red herring comments, non-sequitur discussions and topics and arguments.
CLEARLY THE GERMANICS WERE DESCENDED FROM AN EARLIER MIGRATION FROM THE THE SIBERIAN STEPPES, OF SO CALLED WHITE INDO-EUROPEAN STEPPE PEOPLES FROM THE EURASIAN STEPPES, WHOM REACHED EUROPE IN AN EARLIER PERIOD, THAT HAD SETTLED IN NORTHERN EUROPE BEFORE THE HUNNIC INCURSIONS!
And of course many troops in the Hunnic auxillary WERE WHITE! Such as the Alans, Avars, Bulgars, Sarmatians etc etc etc. and even various Gothic tribes that actually aided the Huns! These barbarian tribes were known for warring and attacking each other for supremacy on the steppes independent of the race of the steppe tribes.
Now let us continue with the pics:
The Adoration of the Kings, detail. Circle of Jan Gossaert. Flemish (c. 1520s):
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^^^^^^^he he he he he he he, so a white Jesus needs to be helped by a BLACK "magi" from a land said to be "white", and helped in a region where the white people there worship and venerate Black rulers and lords depicted in their town heraldry and coat of arms; and follow a religion, that created this imagery, that originated from a non-white black/brown majority region/area of the world, at the time of the origin of said religion?
Think about this, it's pretty deep, are we looking at the whole picture, the whole idea and all the different possible views, or just what we want to see and feel is right? Not reality?
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Hehehe so a Black Jesus gave his life for Whitey ROTFLMBO. Sorry I gotta catch my breath laughing so hard. Sorry no Black man has ever willingly given their life for a White & no Black ever would either.
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quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter: [QB] ^^^^^^^he he he he he he he, so a white Jesus needs to be helped by a BLACK "magi" from a land said to be "white", and helped in a region where the white people there worship and venerate Black rulers and lords depicted in their town heraldry and coat of arms;
Rulers and lords are depicted in heraldry?
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In the left panel there's a woman and baby floating above the ground In the center panel there are three men surrounding a similar woman and a baby. The two men standing are holding chalices and the older man kneeling down also has a chalice on the floor.
MIndovermatter, what's going on here? what's the story here? Who are these people?
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quote:In the left panel there's a woman and baby floating above the ground In the center panel there are three men surrounding a similar woman and a baby. The two men standing are holding chalices and the older man kneeling down also has a chalice on the floor.
MIndovermatter, what's going on here? what's the story here? Who are these people?
Why Liarness, those are all really black/colored people, except they are just whitened fake depictions of those ACTUAL black/colored people; just like all those fake white portrayals of Attila the Hun and Genghis Khan, and various other peoples; and dare I say it JESUS! Jesus was not white, and many white racists even admit that!
And the mistake our dear Eurasian Albino friends made here, is in depicting the visiting magi as a BLACK MAN, when he is supposed to come from a supposed WHITE CIVILIZATION, LIKE PERSIA!
So what we are really seeing, is a painting, made by the deceptive medieval church period of the time, to indoctrinate and brain-wash medieval Eurasian albino migrants into Europe; into accepting the Black/colored religion of Christanity by creating a fake whitened depiction of the birth of Jesus event in a European setting, and the approval of the birth by a visiting BLACK MAGI! EXCEPT WITH A FAKE WHITENED DEPICTIONS OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS AT THIS BIRTH EVENT IN QUESTION!
Just like the Romans, when they tried to convert the Germanic/Gothic tribes to Christanity created a fake WHITE GERMANIC LOOKING JESUS AND MARY DEPICTIONS AND ARTWORKS OF THEM FOR THAT PURPOSE OF PROPOGANDA; so too it seems, did medieval colored/Black Europeans try to brainwash and indoctrinate the Eurasian albino hordes into accepting their religion of Christanity, as propaganda paintings and pictures like this fake whitenized birth of Jesus painting shows!
And when I was talking about these European albino's depicting and putting Black European nobles in their heraldry and coat of arms, I am of course TALKING ABOUT THE BLACK EUROPEANS DEPICTED ON VARIOUS COAT OF ARMS AND HERALDRY WHICH HAVE BEEN POSTED MANY TIMES ON THIS THREAD ALREADY; of which you asked and inquired about to Ish Gebor on this very page.
But it seems that again, you falsely and deceptively intentionally cherry picked and mis-interpreted things and ignored key info as if they didn't exist; for your own agenda and purpose and to falsely mislead, start a non-sequitur argument and ultimately derail this thread.
Fortunately I am not interested in that, I am interested in depictions of Black Europeans/Blacks in European art, so I am going to continue:
Siebmacher, 1605, plate 83, Germany:
St. Gall Wappenbuch, 1462-91, Black European Heads, Germany:
Algarve Kingdom Municipal Coats of Arms, Portugal:
Insignia Lucensium, 1550-55, Italy:
Zacharias Bartsch, Busch, Germany 1550-1555:
Portrait of a Hunter in a Landscape, attributed to Louis Gauffier, France (1762-1801):
Terracotta, ca. 750–600 B.C. Cyprus:
Bernd Krysmanski, Hogarth's Hidden Parts: Satiric Allusion, Erotic Wit, Blasphemous Bawdiness and Dark Humour in Eighteenth-Century English Art, Hildesheim, Zurich, New York: Georg Olms, 2010. 18th century England:
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Hehehe so a Black Jesus gave his life for Whitey ROTFLMBO. Sorry I gotta catch my breath laughing so hard. Sorry no Black man has ever willingly given their life for a White & no Black ever would either.
Doxie, long before the cataclysm took place.
So Praise the Lord,
Miniature of the Immaculate Conception and of Henry VII kneeling, with the trompe l'oeil border, and an illuminated large initial with the royal coat of arms. From the Office of the Mass for the Immaculate Conception England, S.; c. 1485 - c. 1509 Royal 2 A XIX f. 1 The British Library, London
The Earliest Known Image of the Virgin Mary (Circa 150 CE)
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: ^^^ Ish Gebor what do these black "moor" heads represent in Heraldry? What is the meaning of some of the various symbols they used on these crests and coats of arms?
quote:Originally posted by mena7: Nice Ish Gebor maps of White Eurasians invasion of the majority Brown and Black Europe. Nice picture of Black Knight said to be Saint Moor or Saint Maurice.Nice painting of Garden of delight by Lioness.
I think The Habsburg royal family of the holy Roman Empire using the black eagle as their symbol and other European family using the black lion as their symbol symbolized the power of the Black ancestor who founded the monarchy or created the Kingdom.
An illustration from Schedelsche Weltchronik depicting the structure of the Reich: The Holy Roman Emperor is sitting; on his right are three ecclesiastics; on his left are four secular electors.
oat of arms of an emperor with Reichsadler
The Quarter Eagle, hand-coloured woodcut (c. 1510) by Hans Burgkmair.
quote:Black soldiers, specifically identified as Moors, were actively recruited by Rome, and served in Britain, France, Switzerland, Austria, Hungary, Poland, and Romania. St. Maurice, patron saint of medieval Europe, was only one of many Black soldiers and officers under the employ of the Roman Empire.
After the invasion of 711 came other waves of Moors even darker. It was this occupation of Portugal which accounts for the fact that even noble families had absorbed the blood of the Moor.
Golden Age Of The Moor, Edited by Ivan Van Sertima Natures Knows No Color-Line, by J. A. Rogers
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It would be good to know which book that picture is in. As that Black Knight is one (of many - all), whose identity the Albinos hide by declaring him to be the mythical Saint Maurice.
Black warrior and Roman soldier martyred for Christianity in the 3rd century, St. Maurice (coutesy: Image of the Black in Western Art Archive at Harvard University's W.E.B. Du Bois Institute for African and African American Research)
For detailed information you need to contact the Harvard University's W.E.B. Du Bois Institute for African and African American Research Center.
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Oh lord you got me laughing again at the thought of a Black Christ dying for Whitey ROTFLMBO. Sorry honey but if Jesus was Black he'd been killing Whitey not dying for all including Whitey. Jesus the cracka killer lol ROTFLMBO. Ohh wait the BHIs actually believes that Black Jesus is gonna kill the crackas lol.
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quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Troll Patrol.
Oh lord you got me laughing again at the thought of a Black Christ dying for Whitey ROTFLMBO. Sorry honey but if Jesus was Black he'd been killing Whitey not dying for all including Whitey. Jesus the cracka killer lol ROTFLMBO. Ohh wait the BHIs actually believes that Black Jesus is gonna kill the crackas lol.
Sistah, that was straight up blasphemous. Da Lord Luvs "ur boty"! Ask the Lord to cast out the demon of hate, which holds you in possession.
Two keys symbolizing the lock to the Pearly Gates of Haven.
Coat of arms of Pope Benedict XVI & the moor of Freising
Koninklijke Bibliotheek Den Haag Hours of the Virgin: Sext The three Magi meet at the crossroads on their journey to Jerusalem
The first black figures in the art of the Low Countries, or Netherlands, can chiefly be found in miniatures, illuminations and illustrations from the late Middle Ages – the Gothic period – and the early Renaissance. After circa 1300 a range of ‘roles’ for blacks evolved in Netherlandish art, in line with developments in the rest of Europe.
There were the Armorials with heraldic arms of families and territories.
Bavaria. Austria, Brabant, Flanders, Holland and more Armorial of Gelre 1370-1395
It would be good to know which book that picture is in. As that Black Knight is one (of many - all), whose identity the Albinos hide by declaring him to be the mythical Saint Maurice.
The Image of the Black in Western Art, Vol. II, Part 1 — 20: Reliquary statue of St. Maurice. Heiltumsbuch, fol. 227v. 1525-1527. Aschaffenburg, Hofbibliothek.
I do see the oddity in declaring every image an image of Saint Maurice. And admitting that the Romans had black legions, while distort the entire history. Admitting black communities and black presence while distort the entire history, they have established over the last few centuries.
quote: A common misconception is that the Romans in Britain were all born in Italy, had white skin, and spoke Latin. Not so: ever since the Emperor Claudius' multi‐ethnic Roman army landed at Richborough in Kent in ad 43, there has been a black African presence in Britain (Britannia). Two types of Africans came to Britain: those who were Roman citizens, from African families of the ruling classes who had embraced Romanization (the acceptance of Latin and Roman culture), and those who did not necessarily have a choice, such as slaves and soldiers mustered in one of the Roman provinces in Africa.
1. Evidence [...]
2. High‐ranking officials [...]
3. Soldiers [...]
--The Oxford Companion to Black British History Edited by David Dabydeen, John Gilmore, and Cecily Jones
The Image of the Black in Western Art Research Project and Photo Archive, W.E.B. Du Bois Institute for African and African American Research, Harvard University
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^ get the quoting right between Mike and Is Gebor
"I do see the oddity in declaring every image an image of Saint Maurice. And admitting that the Romans had black legions, while distort the entire history. Admitting black communities and black presence while distort the entire history, they have established over the last few centuries."
--there is no oddity of oddity in declaring every image an image of Saint Maurice. Most of the images we have been looking at have been of Magi not Maurice
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. I'm sure you will get better at this as time goes on. But right now, you need to be conscious of material created by Blacks, and material created by Albinos, as they will have a very different look and purpose.
As an example, the picture above is of no historical value, as it is merely a prop in support of the Albinos nonsense history. This is easily ascertained by looking at the Black King, who is drawn in Black CARICATURE: quite different from even his troops. Black people don't draw Black people like that. Only the resentful, fearful, sniveling Albinos draw Black people like that.
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quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter: he he he he he he he, so a white Jesus needs to be helped by a BLACK "magi" from a land said to be "white", and helped in a region where the white people there worship and venerate Black rulers and lords depicted in their town heraldry and coat of arms;
quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter:
the mistake our dear Eurasian Albino friends made here, is in depicting the visiting magi as a BLACK MAN, when he is supposed to come from a supposed WHITE CIVILIZATION, LIKE PERSIA!
So what we are really seeing, is a painting, made by the deceptive medieval church period of the time, to indoctrinate and brain-wash medieval Eurasian albino migrants into Europe; into accepting the Black/colored religion of Christanity by creating a fake whitened depiction of the birth of Jesus event in a European setting, and the approval of the birth by a visiting BLACK MAGI! EXCEPT WITH A FAKE WHITENED DEPICTIONS OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS AT THIS BIRTH EVENT IN QUESTION!
So let's break this down into what we know
1) coats of arms are where the white people worship and venerate Black rulers and lords
2) the medieval church had to indoctrinate and brain-wash medieval Eurasian albino migrants into Europe; into accepting the Black/colored religion of Christanity by creating a fake whitened depiction of the birth of Jesus
3) depicting the visiting magi as a BLACK MAN, when he is supposed to come from a supposed WHITE CIVILIZATION, LIKE PERSIA!
^^^ So this Persian guy wasn't black, it's fake
but everybody else was black
I don't get it. White people were venerating Black rulers and lords? If they were venerating Black rulers and lords then why why weren't the black rulers and lords dictating what's going on these paintings.
You said the medieval church had to indoctrinate and brain-wash medieval Eurasian albino migrants into Europe; into accepting the Black/colored religion of Christanity by creating a fake whitened depiction of the birth of Jesus.
But if they venerated Black rulers and lords then why would they have to change anybody in these scenes from black to white?
You said the medieval church had to indoctrinate and brain-wash medieval Eurasian albino migrants into Europe; into accepting the Black/colored religion of Christanity by creating a fake whitened depiction of the birth of Jesus. But if these albino immigrants were coming in not as Christians then why would a white medieval church want them to accept a Black/colored religion of Christianity ?
And if these images of black people in these coats of arms represented white people venerating Black rulers and lords what were the names of these Black rulers and lords and what happened to the rulership? If you venerate black rulership you would have to be subject to it. What black ruler would consider themselves being venerated if their rulership was taken away from them?
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. I'm sure you will get better at this as time goes on. But right now, you need to be conscious of material created by Blacks, and material created by Albinos, as they will have a very different look and purpose.
As an example, the picture above is of no historical value, as it is merely a prop in support of the Albinos nonsense history. This is easily ascertained by looking at the Black King, who is drawn in Black CARICATURE: quite different from even his troops. Black people don't draw Black people like that. Only the resentful, fearful, sniveling Albinos draw Black people like that.
The Adoration of the Magi, or The Epiphany is a triptych oil painting on wood panel by the Netherlandish artist Hieronymus Bosch, executed around 1485-1500.[1] It is housed in the Museo del Prado of Madrid, Spain.
what about this one? Is the black man a caricature here or realistic?
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. I'm sure you will get better at this as time goes on. But right now, you need to be conscious of material created by Blacks, and material created by Albinos, as they will have a very different look and purpose.
As an example, the picture above is of no historical value, as it is merely a prop in support of the Albinos nonsense history. This is easily ascertained by looking at the Black King, who is drawn in Black CARICATURE: quite different from even his troops. Black people don't draw Black people like that. Only the resentful, fearful, sniveling Albinos draw Black people like that.
Very well, I am no art curator. Neither have I seen it from up close.
Rembrandt van Rijn, Two Moors, 1661
Details:
In the seventeenth century, African men – then known as Moors – were rarely depicted. And if they were, it was usually as servants in portraits. But Rembrandt painted them as subjects in their own right.
Rembrandt painted the men in very thin layers of paint. Although he depicted their heads, like the white shawl, in great detail, many other parts are only sketchily painted. Presumably, Rembrandt’s main interest was in the exotic heads and how he could represent them with a very limited palette.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^I'm sorry Ish Gebor, but sometimes you seem incredibly stupid.
Why? I am merely posting what is out there. What is stupid about that? As I said, I am on art curator. My field is ICT.
Those images are from Black in Western Art Research Project and Photo Archive, W.E.B. Du Bois Institute for African and African American Research, Harvard University.
My suggestion is to take it up with them. Perhaps in some international debate/ symposium.
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