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Unfortunately she gave the lecture to a bunch of folks that don't even consider themselves as Africans or try to push this nonsense of Islam as being somehow true African conscious or the basis of African identity.
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^Do you disagree with the hypothesis that Islamic thought ultimately has partial African roots?
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While I'm positive that Islam has deep African roots, it really doesn't matter much for the past, but for the present, American Negroes who have embraced Islam (NOI, Black Moors, etc.) are definitely not as bummed out by the Trump Presidency as Negro Christians.
In fact, if you examine the current social setting of Negroes in America, you'd quickly find that all these random shootings are so-called Negro Christians and not NOI/Moors.
If you spend one day down-town in the city courtroom, you'll find that it is filled with ignorant Negro Christians, and it is rare to even find a black Muslim there.
Same goes for the Jew controlled Alcohol, tobacco and drug industries. Negro Christians heavily fuel the cash coffers of these vice industries in overwhelming numbers. Not to say that Mislims don't smoke or drink, but it's clear they aren't as addicted faithless Negroes who would identify themselves as Christians.
I watched as Negro "Christian" women ran one another over to spend their dollars with Jews on "Black" Friday, I couldn't help noticing that all these crazy Negro females running over each other to enter the store would identify themselves as Christians.
No doubt that Christianity also has it's roots in Africa, but it is crystal clear that for the Negro in America, Christianity is a chain and steel ball attached to a dumb Negro's ankle.
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Video description says: Esteemed Historian Dana Marnichi, Gives a great presentation on The Historical/Biblical Moabite/ Canaanite from the ancient land Of Canaan.. Just as The Prophet Noble Drew Ali Stated " The Moors are the descendants of the ancient Canaanites from the ancient land of Canaan...
Dana may have something a BROAD sense, since the people known as "Moors" have some associations with the region known as "Caanan"- which she identifies with a broad Middle Eastern zone, It could be said, in a broad sense, that sure, Moors are descendants of SOME people who came from the Middle East. However some seem to go overboard with this and want to claim all as Black Hebrews, who become Moors, sweeping over to Europe with fire ans sword.. And some of the prophecies of Noble Drew Ali are less than reliable. For example:
Sister M. Tiggs El said that the Holy Prophet told the Moors that “before the European came here (to North America), that the bananas were large, and the grapes were four-in-hand, it took two men with hand-sticks to carry one bunch of grapes.”
Only problem with this is that bananas were not grown on the coast of colonial North America for them to be "large" when the white man arrived. But there is a lot else that the Noble prophet said that is problematic for many black folk..
According to the Prophet, slavery developed in North America, because Moors themselves sold off black people to the white man. QUOTE:
Bro. I. Cook-Bey, G.G. of Ill, said that the Holy Prophet Noble Drew Ali told the Moors that “The Europeans went to the Moroccan government, and asked for permission to come over here (to North America) to develop this land, and they were given a 50 year mandate to do so. Then the Europeans went to an old Sheik and asked him to give them some people to help them to develop this land. The Sheik told them to “take those Moors, because they are not going to do anything.” http://hood-x.ning.com/profiles/blogs/prophecies-hadiths-of-prophet-nobel-drew-ali
So it was the Moors that sold other Moors to the white man... Apparently the blacks sold were just "surplus Moors"...
The Moors by the way were heavily involved in the slave trade and did not seem to mind trading destroying the families of their "black brothers" and selling them, children and all.. In fact the "moors" were among the pioneers of the large scale trade in African slaves. So much for "brothahood"..
The standard excuse is that "well the Moors was black so let us not complain.." Right... Just ask the blacks of Morocco used and traded as slaves by would be Moorish "soul brothers".. ANd as one history notes, the Moors were prime suppliers of black slaves to black buyers on the Senengambia coast.. In fact in the 19th century, the white French, once they had decided to drop slavery, had to protect black villagers against the depredations of Moor nomads hunting black slaves in the Senegal region.. QUOTE:
"increasingly, however it was Moorish slave traders who satisfied the demands of Senegalese slave owners." (Trevor Getz, Slavery and Reform in West Africa: Toward Emancipation in Nineteenth-Century )
^Muslim "brotherhood" in action...
"In pre-Islamic Arabia the majority of slaves were of Ethiopian origin... Abu al_Faraj al-Isbahani (d. 967), a literary historian who composed a multivolume work on Arabic poetry and songs, wrote that in the pre-Islamic era, Arabs enslaved their own children born of female slaves who served the sexual desires of their owners along with performing their other domestic duties." (Chouki el Hamel, Black Morocco: A History of Slavery, Race, and Islam)
^^Yet more kinder, gentla, Muslim "brothers"...
Slaves of One Master: Globalization and Slavery in Arabia in the Age ..Matthew S. Hopper - 2015
Hopper’s book links the personal stories of enslaved Africans to the impersonal global commodity chains their labor enabled, demonstrating how the growing demand for workers created by a global demand for Persian Gulf products compelled the enslavement of these people and their transportation to eastern Arabia. His provocative and deeply researched history fills a salient gap in the literature on the African diaspora.
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a lot people still cant let go false tales about arabs and islam. I'm not even muslim and I recognize that video gave great information.alot stuff that pro blacks rant on islam or arabs is false information or misguided info
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Obama did not "ignore" so-called "Negro Christians." In fact he courted them intensely which is why they turned out in record numbers for him in 2008, and while not as high in 2012, still made a standard showing. And in fact Obama expanded faith based programs - creating a new White House office for faith-based programs and neighborhood partnerships- thus helping to garner some support among "Negro Christians." He appointed a former pastor to run the new office and its programs. https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/obama-announces-white-house-office-faith-based-and-neighborhood-partnerships
And Obama also played the Muslim side of the fence as well reaching out to various Muslim leaders and organizations.
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Percentage wise, black NOI/moors only comprise less than 1% of Negro Christians. Probably less than 1% of all African Americans.
Faith based initiatives have been very good for Republicans who are the initiators of the program. We saw how easy it was for George Bush to win re-election using Christian faith based bribes, as he expanded the program targeting ignorant and greedy Negro Baptists like T.D. Jakes, Creslow Dollar and other Christian pimps. The expansion was so effective (and Negroes so easily and cheaply brought), that in Bush's re-election, Republicans increased their Negro vote from 2% to over 7%. I personally asked several dozens of these Negro Christians (mostly female) why they choose to cast their vote for Bush, and their response was simply, because their Pastor told them to do it. Of course they did, since Jakes received $1M from Bush's faith based program.
Too bad there is not a survey for tracking voting patterns of Black Moors or Muslims. A wild guess would say they aren't as easily brought as their Negro Christian counterparts.
The saddest part is, Negro Christians overwhelmingly supported Obama with their votes, but are so ignorant, they received absolutely nothing for their 90% voter turn-out. Nothing! This shows how very unsophisticated and adolescent the Negro Christian voter is.
Negro Christians (US, UK, Brazil, Africa), excluding countries such as Panama, are the absolute dumbest people on the planet.
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quote:Originally posted by Swenet: ^Do you disagree with the hypothesis that Islamic thought ultimately has partial African roots?
Sure. But then again everything has African roots.
The Moors are on record saying they aren't Africans they are Moors and that this is the basis of their nationality. In my mind they are nothing more than disinformation agents designed to dilute the growth of true African national conscious, which is why they were created (along with the Boule, NAACP and other groups) around the time of Garvey to dissipate the energy and cause confusion.
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Well for the so-called "dumbest" people, they are the richest, most educated, most prosperous black folk on the planet, compared to your black Muslims or "Moors", stuck in poverty stricken backwaters from Nigeria to Somalia.
Mo betta Muslims... "Heroic" Negro Muslim terrorists and young black victims
And the Negro Muslims did precious little for Civil Rights for blacks in the US. They mostly talked and postured, while "Negro Christians" got the job done. While they were marching and dying, "Black "Moor" leader Elijah Muhammed was having sex with adolescent secretaries and ordering the death of Malcolm X. And on top of that, he found time to meet with vicious white racists of the American Nazi Party.
While black folk were laying their lives on the line for civil rights Negro Muslim leader Muhammed talked and talked but was a no-show. However he did find time to cosy up to white racists at the Negro "Founder's Day." Notice how the Negro Muslims allow white people to sit in front while they take a back seat...
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quote:Originally posted by Swenet: ^Do you disagree with the hypothesis that Islamic thought ultimately has partial African roots?
Sure. But then again everything has African roots.
The Moors are on record saying they aren't Africans they are Moors and that this is the basis of their nationality. In my mind they are nothing more than disinformation agents designed to dilute the growth of true African national conscious,..to dissipate the energy and cause confusion.
I think the same thing Doug- its a disinformation operation. While I have met a few individuals calling themselves "Moors" that I individually respect man to man, I think some of what they are preaching is false and diversionary, including how they try to "distance" themselves from anything African, referring to themselves racially as "Asiatics," among other things. Apparently being black or African is not good enough.
Furthermore the teachings of their leader Noble Drew Ali are somewhat disturbing. Apparently, it was the Moors themselves that initiated the sale of black people to whites- so says their leading prophet, Noble Drew Ali.
According to the Prophet, slavery developed in North America, because Moors themselves sold off black people to the white man. QUOTE:
Bro. I. Cook-Bey, G.G. of Ill, said that the Holy Prophet Noble Drew Ali told the Moors that “The Europeans went to the Moroccan government, and asked for permission to come over here (to North America) to develop this land, and they were given a 50 year mandate to do so. Then the Europeans went to an old Sheik and asked him to give them some people to help them to develop this land. The Sheik told them to “take those Moors, because they are not going to do anything.” http://hood-x.ning.com/profiles/blogs/prophecies-hadiths-of-prophet-nobel-drew-ali
So it was the Moors that sold other blacks to the white man... Apparently the blacks sold were just "surplus Moors"...
ANd per the Prophet, US blacks must: “proclaim their nationality and their Divine Creed … and know that they are not Negroes, Colored Folks, Black People or Ethiopians.. "
^^But, "Asiatics" itself a word coined by white people, is OK to use... And the word "Moor" itself originated with white people..
The Moors by the way were heavily involved in the slave trade and did not seem to mind trading destroying the families of their "black brothers" and selling them, children and all.. In fact the "moors" were among the pioneers of the large scale trade in African slaves. So much for "brothahood"..
The standard excuse is that "well the Moors was black so let us not complain.." Right... Just ask the blacks of Morocco used and traded as slaves by would be Moorish "soul brothers".. ANd as one history notes, the Moors were prime suppliers of black slaves to black buyers on the Senengambia coast.. In fact in the 19th century, the white French, once they had decided to drop slavery, had to protect black villagers against the depredations of Moor nomads hunting black slaves in the Senegal region.. QUOTE: "increasingly, however it was Moorish slave traders who satisfied the demands of Senegalese slave owners." (Trevor Getz, Slavery and Reform in West Africa: Toward Emancipation in Nineteenth-Century )
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Rich slaves like O.J. and now, Bill Cosby? Rich national heroes, like Joe Louis, Sammy Davis Jr., who died penniless? Or, perhaps the official org of Negro Christians comprised of selfish mealy mouthed lawyers controlled by Jews/BAR; The NAACP?
So rich that their wealth is representative of the debt they carry like slaves carry quarry rock loads. This site should have some intelligent people. People who should comprehend that this image of wealth is no more than illusion. Chasing this false projection of "success" is the main reason why Africa is now deeply embedded in corruption, graft and slavery.
The Moors of Africa aren't to blame for African slavery any more than Chinese were the blame for Koreans who were enslaved, or Chinese who enslaved Chinese.
Prophet Noble Drew Ali is correct when he says that we are not defined by titles given to us by albinos. Only Christian Negroes like W.E.B. Dubois happily embrace these terms.
The personal decision to embrace America and keep feeding it to fuel your own destruction versus abandoning it to survive is in my opinion, not even a choice at all.
A Negro standing with his hand over his heart, pledging alliance and singing the national anthem has got to be the dumbest person on the planet!
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quote:Originally posted by Swenet: ^Do you disagree with the hypothesis that Islamic thought ultimately has partial African roots?
For readers who don't know, I was talking about the Kenite hypothesis, among other things. Not a direct link to Islam, or even the African continent, but readers who did their homework wil be able to see how that piece fits in the puzzle as far as connections to both Africa and Islam.
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quote:Originally posted by Swenet: ^Do you disagree with the hypothesis that Islamic thought ultimately has partial African roots?
For readers who don't know, I was talking about the Kenite hypothesis, among other things. Not a direct link to Islam, or even the African continent, but readers who did their homework wil be able to see how that piece fits in the puzzle as far as connections to both Africa and Islam.
True enough. In fact I have posted myself how much of Arabic script owes to the scripts of the Nile Valley, not to mention the various Berber scripts which were written in Arabic and of course the "Ink Road" in West Africa.
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There should be more books and written documents about the "ink road", I am so fascinated by it; it's downplayed and covered up by the ideology and dogma of Eurocentric/Eurasianist thought. I am sure the ink road also was one of the founding basis for the building of "academic" institutions and "enlightment" periods of the Western world and even perhaps even the eastern world &near-eastern world.
Whenever there is always arguments about eurocentrism and eurocentric/eurasianist supremacist thought, the arguments always devolves into how rich and advanced the nations and cultures of the silk road nations in Asia were (particularly China, Persia etc etc, which again is just another version of eurasianist supremacist thought).
While that may be true, but there were many "roads" in Ancient times, not just the silk road but also the "amber road" in Baltic Europe etc etc. Which again doesn't get mentioned, because the people who write modern false history and the framed arguments they force everyone into it, pertaining to the subject matter don't want to bring it up.
Personally in my opinion, there were many advanced African civilizations that we know very little about, or which have been covered up and downplayed; whom were just as advanced as the silk road civilizations.
For one, I actually think that many of these not known/unknown advanced African civilizations were even ahead and out-produced civilizations like the Ancient Chinese, Hellenes etc etc (Ancient China has got to be one of the most overhyped and overrated civilizations known to man).
I proved that in the recent rhapta discovery thread, where they discovered the remains of a little known grand civilization underwater, in South-East Africa.
I am sure there are lots of hidden accounts and testimony and writings of this ink road in many of these Malian/Timbuktu documents that were part of the libraries of Timbuktu, which Doug mentioned had to be hidden and protected and archived which have not been given to the western world yet.
When we can finally see those documents one day, then we can establish the true real history of Africa and the ink road, without eurasianist/eurocentric distortions and blinders consistently corrupting a realist authentic natural view of the history of Ancient African civilizations.....
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There you go. Though I had ancient influences in mind, especially formative influences on Judaism that naturally became a part of Islam, there are a lot of ways to look at this, including the influences you mention.
Quote: "God came from Teman, the Holy One from Mount Paran. …I saw the tents of Cushan under affliction; the tent-curtains of the land of Midian trembled." —Habakkuk 3:3a,7
Biblical text linking (in passing) the god of all Abrahamic religions to 'Cushite' people and territories in the Negev/Hejaz area.
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Also in regards to Islam, I am not a big fan of any of the abrahamic religion. I think that these religions started out with good intentions, but eventually became corrupted and degraded, and eventually became weaponized for the interest of powerful groups and actors.
I think modern day Islam is a great example of this, it's really just a plagiarized and nomadic violent version of both Christanity and Judaism with an Arabian centrist and supremacist world view inserted into it. I might have worked for the arabian peninsula arabs at one particular time period, but it's really dysgenic and retarding to modern day followers of it.
Modern Islam is actually a very racist religion, because ever since the Turks and Europeans took over and mongrelized the Middle Eastern region; Islam transformed from the religion for Black Arab centrist warlords to the religion of white wannabe and race-confused eurasian/european worshipping mulatto/quadroon/white warlords, sheiks, psychopaths, and backwards ignoramus's.
Modern Islam actually in a sense, is a white eurasianist supremacist religion but in a hidden covert way, just like White Europeanized christanity and Turkic Khazar Judaism is today.
Christanity started out with great intentions and the good thing is that it is some way reformable and malleable unlike Islam. However, its really just an amalgation of Ancient Greek, Roman, Buddhist, Hindu, Egyptian, African, Persian religious ideas and concepts put together under a false monotheistic religion.
And like Islam, it became the weaponized religion of power hungry whites and their need to control everything.
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quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter: There should be more books and written documents about the "ink road", I am so fascinated by it; it's downplayed and covered up by the ideology and dogma of Eurocentric/Eurasianist thought. I am sure the ink road also was one of the founding basis for the building of "academic" institutions and "enlightment" periods of the Western world and even perhaps even the eastern world &near-eastern world.
Whenever there is always arguments about eurocentrism and eurocentric/eurasianist supremacist thought, the arguments always devolves into how rich and advanced the nations and cultures of the silk road nations in Asia were (particularly China, Persia etc etc, which again is just another version of eurasianist supremacist thought).
While that may be true, but there were many "roads" in Ancient times, not just the silk road but also the "amber road" in Baltic Europe etc etc. Which again doesn't get mentioned, because the people who write modern false history and the framed arguments they force everyone into it, pertaining to the subject matter don't want to bring it up.
Personally in my opinion, there were many advanced African civilizations that we know very little about, or which have been covered up and downplayed; whom were just as advanced as the silk road civilizations.
For one, I actually think that many of these not known/unknown advanced African civilizations were even ahead and out-produced civilizations like the Ancient Chinese, Hellenes etc etc (Ancient China has got to be one of the most overhyped and overrated civilizations known to man).
I proved that in the recent rhapta discovery thread, where they discovered the remains of a little known grand civilization underwater, in South-East Africa.
I am sure there are lots of hidden accounts and testimony and writings of this ink road in many of these Malian/Timbuktu documents that were part of the libraries of Timbuktu, which Doug mentioned had to be hidden and protected and archived which have not been given to the western world yet.
When we can finally see those documents one day, then we can establish the true real history of Africa and the ink road, without eurasianist/eurocentric distortions and blinders consistently corrupting a realist authentic natural view of the history of Ancient African civilizations.....
I'm under the assumption that the "dark ages" is basically just the age albinos had lost total control of being in tuned to anything of influence so they have this blank spot in history that they can't explain very well from their point of view, so they came up with that term as an excuse for the blank spot. I'm sure under that there's all sorts of stuff black civilizations were doing. I know at the very least there was already trade between South America and Africa, some albino historians will even admit that, as there is evidence of plants that are not native to South America that originated in Africa.
I was reading some old memiors after the moors were defeated in spain and some albino had a very clear understanding of some of the accomplishments they had in that one area alone. What made me sick was how she was potraying the moors that remained there, reduced to nothing but slaves. Of course today's "academic historian thug" albino paint them all as African slaves that were shipped there, but of course they were in reality spanish moors that stayed there as slaves.
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There you go. Though I had ancient influences in mind, especially formative influences on Judaism that naturally became a part of Islam, there are a lot of ways to look at this, including the influences you mention.
Quote: "God came from Teman, the Holy One from Mount Paran. …I saw the tents of Cushan under affliction; the tent-curtains of the land of Midian trembled." —Habakkuk 3:3a,7
Biblical text linking (in passing) the god of all Abrahamic religions to 'Cushite' people and territories in the Negev/Hejaz area.
Yes. That is why I think the roots of everything are in Africa. All religion, all culture and so forth. We have discussed these connections between South Arabia and Africa many times here. In fact a lot of the stuff Dana covered in the video we discussed here with her long ago.
There you go. Though I had ancient influences in mind, especially formative influences on Judaism that naturally became a part of Islam, there are a lot of ways to look at this, including the influences you mention.
Quote: "God came from Teman, the Holy One from Mount Paran. …I saw the tents of Cushan under affliction; the tent-curtains of the land of Midian trembled." —Habakkuk 3:3a,7
Biblical text linking (in passing) the god of all Abrahamic religions to 'Cushite' people and territories in the Negev/Hejaz area.
Yes. That is why I think the roots of everything are in Africa. All religion, all culture and so forth. We have discussed these connections between South Arabia and Africa many times here. In fact a lot of the stuff Dana covered in the video we discussed here with her long ago.
We have known this for the last 50 years, so how many times must it be repeated? Repetition does not lead to strategy or planning even after 10 trillion iterations.
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Asir Province is located at the southwest of Saudi Arabia and is a border province with Yemen.
quote:Originally posted by dana marniche:
On the other hand their is genetic evidence of Kohanim as you are already aware of and archeological evidence that the historical villages composing the Israel of the Old Testament or Pentateuch was in the Asir region.....
My point was that there is no Hebrew or Jewish genealogy outside of Abyssinian and ancient Arabian tribal genealogy....
One thins is certain either the early Arabians settled in the same places mentioned in the Bible and named hundreds of places after their homeland in Palestine or else the history of the early Biblical peoples has been severely distorted....
Several prominent Israeli scholars are also now admitting that there is little evidence for the Old Testament Israel in Palestine and for an Exodus from Egypt.....
Also modern scholars are finding other proofs that Israel was in the south Arabian area and that many of the Biblical stories were about Arabians. See Queen of Sheba a book by Bernard Leeman. It is found on-line.
quote:Originally posted by Kalonji: You are losing your credibility and you’re losing it fast. Salibi’s whole thesis is based on the assertion that the names of biblical cities have been mistranslated, and that there are supposed to be dublicates in Arabia. His book is called, The bible Came from Arabia, and it is called that for a reason. And now you’re basically telling me I shouldn’t look inside the same book Salibi used to make his claim, to test those claims? Are you out of your ever loving mind?
You were even talking about the most mythical cities of all, Sodom and Gomorrah, and now you’re telling me that I need historical background in my arguments?
The whole point of using biblical quotes, was to show that the people who wrote the bible absolutely didn’t conceive themselves as being located in Arabia. And if one cannot use the bible to do that, then your (and Salibi’s) thesis falls flat on its face.
You can try to talk around that all you want by telling me ‘’to quote outside of the bible’’ (as if I didn’t do that already in my initial responses), but it just shows how dishonest you are.
Whether characters are historical or not, the fact remains, that they (the Hebrews) saw themselves as being located on a geographical height that is north of Egypt. Which is consistent with modern day Israel.
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