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Following up on Clyde's post in the "Roman Depiction of Blacks" thread.
We need to document this history better.
I remember that American Indians were shipped from Louisiana to Haiti, and others were shipped to Cuba, but I forget the sources. I/we need to do better in researching and documenting our history.
Wiki:
In the other colonies slavery developed into a predominant form of labor over time. It is estimated that Carolina traders operating out of Charles Town shipped an estimated 30,000 to 51,000 Native American captives between 1670 and 1715 in a profitable slave trade with the Caribbean, Spanish Hispaniola, and Northern colonies. It was more profitable to have Native American slaves because African slaves had to be shipped and purchased while native slaves could be captured and immediately taken to plantations; whites in the Northern colonies sometimes preferred Native American slaves especially Native women and children, to Africans.
However, Carolinians had more of a preference for African slaves but also capitalized on the Indian slave trade combining both. In December of 1675 Carolina's grand council had a written justification of the approved enslavement and sale of Native Americans, claiming those whom were enemies of tribes the English had befriended were targets stating those enslaved were not "innocent Indians". The council also claimed it was within the wishes of their "Indian allies" to take their prisoners and that the prisoners were willing to work in the country or be transported elsewhere.
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If you have sourced info, please add it to the thread.
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The situation changed drastically in the early 19th century when plantation owners realized that slave labor could be produced domestically, without shipping cost and without having to deal with breaking people already enculturated in Africa
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In the wake of the deaths of indigenous Americans from European-conveyed microbes from which they had no immunity (comment - Albino BULLSH1T), the Spanish colonists turned to importing Africans. A racist and gross misinterpretation of this event posited that most Indians could not be enslaved because of their love for freedom, while Africans were used to having their labor controlled by “big men” in Africa.
This dangerous view obscured a basic fact of early modern history: Anyone could be enslaved. Over a million Europeans were held as slaves from the 1530s through the 1780s in Africa, and hundreds of thousands were kept as slaves by the Ottomans in eastern Europe and Asia. (John Smith, for instance, had been a slave of the Ottomans before he obtained freedom and helped colonize Virginia.) In 1650, more English were enslaved in Africa than Africans enslaved in English colonies. Even as late as the early nineteenth century, United States citizens were enslaved in North Africa.
As the pro-slavery ideologue George Fitzhugh noted in his book, Cannibals All (1857), in the history of world slavery, Europeans were commonly the ones held as slaves, and the enslavement of Africans was a relatively new historical development. Not until the eighteenth century did the words “slave” and “African” become nearly synonymous in the minds of Europeans and Euro-Americans.
let me write about the Garifuna of St. Vincent and tha Grenadines who are Black Natives who have Built Lands by emigrating to other parts of the Americas Freely, Garifunas are from Land of tha Vincys to Belieze, Honduras, Nicaragua, Mexico etc
You must use the info but understand that they obsessively call the Garifuna Black slaves because of the brainwashing of pig skin eurapeans who have lleft there filthy stink hands on peoples mind and CONvinced people of some slave trade that never was.
Read and understand from the Garifuna and read between the lines:
quote:The Garifuna society, also known as the Black Caribs, was first originated in XVII in San Vicente, about a century after the conquering of Central America, South America, and the lower Antilles.
The conquerors were not interested in San Vicente and Dominica at first because of its topographic features (they always state places that are unconquered was because of non interest) , lack of precious metals and grasslands for cattle raising, but the Caribs did become interested because of its magnificent areas for fishing.
Who were the Caribs? The Caribs were strong, robust men, of small stature, and mongoloid physical features. They had long, black, straight and thick hair, perfectly cut to their forehead and were generally dressed in a colorful christening skirt.Their original name was Callinagu and their place of origin was from the Orinoco Delta , which they abandoned for conquering the Lower Antilles.
When they arrived to the Lower Antilles, they exterminated the Arahuaco men, but decided to keep the women for their convenience. The union of these two Indian groups gave origin to a new society called the Caliponan (also known as the Yellow Caribs, Red Caribs, and Amerindians).
Formation of the Garifuna Society
Garifunas in TelaThe beginning of the formation process was in 1635, and believed to have been caused by the sinking of two Spanish ships loaded with black slaves who were being delivered to their buyers.
Don't listen to the river stink of europeans and there lies about slavery, they actually think that two slave ships sinking is the cause of Black Caribs or Garifuna, how stupid of they think people are??
quote: In those days it was common for the Caliponan to give misleading directions, which lead them to the riverbanks where they disposed the ships from their shipments (gold, wine, and slaves) and killed all of the crewmembers.
The Africans were anxious to establish friend links to avoid being sent back to their owners as slaves; therefore they soon adopted their customs and native garifuna language. Shortly after, they married the Caliponan women who gave birth to a whole new kind of siblings. (don't listen to the slave trade gibberish there has always bin Black, Red and Yellow caribs)
Their descendents preserved the height and skin color of their father, who on the contrary of the Caliponan were tall and corpulent. This new society (Garifuna) centered their family life in the sexual division of work as a base for their economic activities
In the XVII century, a drastic change occurred in the Vicentinian society. The black society had become the dominant group due to their geometric growth because of the immigration of refugees.
This is a Farce, And the repeated lie of the dirty diseased pig skins rears its ugly head again, slaves get stronger due to slave ships sinking and numbers grow, same thing they say about every Black Native society they came across in the west, that's how they cover up the Black Natives heritage is by claiming they had mad sex and there numbers grew from slaves joining and there Jungle fever. eurapean pig skins are filthy Liars and they spew poo out there mouth everytime they speak.
quote:The constant fighting for power and territorial disputes soon divided both sides. Garifunas forced the Caliponan to move to the Western part and they move to the Northwestern part of the island.
Both groups tried to resolve their personal difficulties, because they were aware that an internal division would drive the conqueror's attention to them.
When news about their differences arrived to France, the French took part in this division by supporting the Caliponan. They soon inhabited Caliponan land, while Garifunas defended their land from any European colonization.
The French made many intents, but they soon were convinced they had to stop interfering(BAHAHAHAHAH WONDER WHY) and had to maintain peace links with Garifunas.
The French get there ass kicked by the Garifuna and then realized that this could be another Haiti so they quickly changed there mind and decided supporting the yellow caribs was a mistake and decided peace with the Garifuna was a better situation. Wonder why
quote: Garifunas acquired the French taste for wine instead of rum, dominated French language, incorporated French words to their dialect, adopted the French currency as a mean for commercial trading
Remember people most People are Chivalrous, Respectful and Honorable. The eurapeans don't know these terms and have no clue about keeping treaties. They lie, speak with a fork tongue and try to find ways to not honour there treaties. pig skins are the epitome of deceivers
Like all people, the Garifuna found out the hard way that French were just as pig skinned diseased as the rest of them and had no honor
quote: , obtained French names and customs, and eventually became their allies against the English colonization.
French and English Interference
The three coming decades, 1730-1762, were characterized by the constant disputes between France and Great Britain for the desire of gaining power over San Vicente, Dominica, and Santa Lucia. (Remember people they claimed San Vincete as a backwater place that had nothing of value)
The occurrence of these acts can be described as follows:
1730: San Vicente, Dominica, and Santa Lucia are declared to be free from European inheritance.
1742: British colony is established in Rattan (Roatan).
1748: Aix-La Chapelle Treaty is signed in which San Vicente, Dominica, and Tobago are declared of exclusive possession of the Caliponan natives.
1750: Peace Treaty signed between Spain and Great Britain. 1756: War between France and England begins.
1759: English attack Martinica, and take over Guadalupe Island.
1761: English take over Dominica.
1762: Martinica is taken over by the English (February 4th). In that same date Granada, Tobago, San Vicente, and Santa Lucia were ceded to Great Britain.
1763: Paris Peace Treaty is signed. San Vicente, Grenada, and Dominica were ceded to Great Britain Cuba was given to Spain; Guadalupe, Martinica, and Santa Lucia were ceded to France.
Great Britain then declared war against the French; the disputing possessions were Martinica, and Santa Lucia. These acts of treason infuriated the French, who in reprisal, responded by exporting their revolutionary ideals to the Caribbean Islands in possession of the English. However, Garifunas understood that these philanthropic manifestations were not to be taken seriously, because most French wanted desired that Garifuna and English would destroy each other and consequently be force to leave the island.
Therefore, Garifunas demanded sufficient warlike material from the French as a guarantee of their noble intentions.
The War of Exile
First Phase: the Garifunas led by Du Valleé were such a powerful group that they constantly defeated the English.
The defates of the british was so humiliating that they had to admit that the Garifunas were a powerful group What a Shock, Lot like Haiti
quote:This group gained power over Kingstown, Dorset shire Hill, and another group lead by Chatolier gained power over Chateaubelair. Both groups soon joined forces, along with men that they ha collected in their way, and became such a powerful group that many feared them.
Soon came the death of Chatolier, who was convinced of his paranormal powers and invincibility, who made the fatal mistake of asking Alexander Leith (English) to a duel that caused his death. Chatolier`s death evidently confused the Garifuna-French alliance who held the fighting back and carefully awaited for the next step.
Second Phase: In this stage, the hostility lasted a little more than a year, and was characterized for being a war of exhaustion. Set before the numerous losses of seven months of fighting, and finding no solution to solve their differences, the English governor accompanied by the military force of 4,000 men decided to attack the Garifuna-French alliance.
Something smells about this about face Surreneder that does not make sense but I may need to find more info
quote: Faced upon the military power force upon them, the Garifuna determined that it was convenient to stop the war and finally surrendered.
quote: Garifuna Expatriation
The English began to worry about their future in the island in comparison to the unexpected number of Garifunas living in their new territory.
That's what Smells the Surrender of the Garifuna, yet they were the majority in the English side of the islands now yet they somehow surrendered???
quote: Therefore, the search for new land where the Garifuna could settle began.
This is fishy fishy fishy, THe Garifuna is told they would have new land for them to settle on yet they somehow surrendered to
quote: Finally in February 20th, 1797, a total of 2,248 Garifunas along with stored food supplies were set aboard ships and then headed toward the Honduran Coast and Bay Islands. In April 12th, 1797, the Garifunas first set foot in Honduran territory.
Thousands of Garifuna settle on the Honduran coas after allegedly surrendering to English forces..hmm does that make sense to yoall people??? Seems Garifuna was doing a Haitian ting
quote: Although the English left them with enough food supplies, utensils, fishing chords, and seeds for planting, it became a little difficult to clean the terrain and to plant before the rainy season began.
Garifunas then asked the Spanish to take them to the Honduran Coast.
Do tha Haitian, Seems Haiti was what Garifuna was Copying to gain more Land
quote: The Spanish accepted gracefully because they knew, that by doing this, they would now own the Bay Islands, and they would also acquire an additional labor force. The Spanish kept their promise; Garifunas arrived in Trujillo, Colon (Honduras) on May 17th, 1797.
In the early 1900s more then 100 enterprises had been exporting bananas from the Central American coast and Garifunas were involved in this commercial trading by helping these companies with the sowing and loading of banana. These companies soon extended their trading circle along the coast f Honduras and concentrated their fruit shipping along Punta Castilla (Trujillo), Tela, La Ceiba, and Cortés in Honduras; and in Livingston and Puerto Barrios in Guatemala, and finally in Belize City. Garifunas mostly concentrated in nearby towns because working for these companies had become a good source of income.
However, in the 1940s some of these companies were shut down because their banana plantations had been greatly affected by plagues; this caused the unemployment of many Garifunas.
Garifunas then got involved in the seafaring business where they immigrated to other parts of Central and North America.
Seems the Garifuna was expanding there empire to other parts of European controlled Americas....
quote:Garifuna Society Today
Culture: Their social and cultural characteristics are manifested in their archaic family and social structures, which have suffered very little changes. They still share their dialect, circular dances, religious practices, Punta dance, tales, banana cultivation, and rooster and pig sacrifices with the indigenous people of the Amazon. are still based in subsistence farming.
Among the different communities there is a great potential of production, and in most cases the land is very fertile for farming, however the only people involved are the elders because young people believe farming is not a great source of income.
Youngsters are mostly dedicated to fishing, because most of the fish are set for sale and produce an immediate source of income. Youngsters show little or no interest in participating in social reunions with the rest of their community; elders and the women are usually the ones who interact with these reunions. It can be concluded that young Garifunas seem to be more interested in immigrating to North America.
Location: The Garifuna population that lives in the Atlantic Coast, between Belize and Nicaragua, is distributed in 43 towns and villages. Approximately 98,000 Garifunas live in Honduras, and they are mostly concentrated along the North coast from Masca, Cortés to Plaplaya, Gracias a Dios. Among other villages are: Santa Rosa de Aguan, Tornabé, Limón, Nueva Armenia, San Juán, Cosuna, Triunfo de la Cruz, and Baja Mar.
Health: Garifuna are subject to poor sanitary conditions throughout most of the area. The lack of clinical establishments, basic infrastructure projects, illness prevention programs, and nutrition programs greatly affect Garifunas.
People stop going to doctors, You don't need a doctor. Believe you will get better and pray to God and You will heal.
Docotors know when God heals that's why they give you a range or timline of healing, doctors hurt your healing, trust God.
quote: We can conclude that about 78% of the children under 12 years of age suffer from malnutrition, and that 3 out of 10 will die before they are 2 years old.
Housing: their housing consist of small huts with walls made of royal palm, sugar cane and of cement blocks. The ceiling is commonly made of hay, however they also use zinc as a ceiling too. There is a great tendency to replace their traditional style of housing for more modern types; however, these changes have helped improve their health conditions.
Politics: Garifunas do not believe in politics, they believe that they are too peaceful and that they can handle their personal problems without the intervention of any legal force; however, in some areas a governor is in charge of providing justice between the people. Only Garifunas that had the opportunity of being well educated are the ones that occupy government positions today.
Language: Most Garifunas not only speak Spanish, but also use the Igńeri dialect that is a combination of Arahuaco, French, Swahili, and Bantu.
Religion: Garifunas still maintain their own religious system that is a mixture of African and Amerindian traditions to which they have incorporated Catholic elements. Of great importance is the Garifuna religious system called Gubida that is the conception of the dreams and possession rituals as altered states of conscience considered, by the participants and believers, to be caused by the possession of a spiritual entity.
Education: 72% of the population is illiterate or semi-illiterate. Not enough schools are provided for them in he nearby areas; and villages that have schools, only have teachers to provide them with enough education to reach a 3rd grade level and sometimes a 6th grade level if they are lucky. Only 10% of the Garifunas who finish elementary school continue with their studies, another percentage immigrates to the United States, and the rest just integrate their community life and eventually become illiterates again because of the lack of practice. >> Top
Organizations in Representation of Garifunas
· ONECA (Organizacion Negra Centroamericana/Central American Black Organization). The largest umbrella organization for Black communities in Central America and the Caribbean. President: Celeo Alvarez Casildo
· ODECO (Organización de Desarrollo Étnico Comunitario)
Objectives: 1. Development of Local Capacities. 2. Incidence and Empowerment of Afro-Honduran population. 3. Institutional Development, Fortification, and Efficiency.
Its Directive Board is composed of 15 members, nominated as follows:
President: Celio Álvarez Cabildo Secretary: Zulma Valencia Vice-President: Luis Francisco Green Technical Affairs: Onelia Colon Public Prosecutor: Bernard Martinez Discipline Affairs: Robustiana Castro Secretary of Education: Delsy Alvarez Children Affairs: Gregorio Jimenez Secretary of Promotion: Galata Arzú Secretary of Youth: Karen Bargas Secretary of Cultural Affairs: Laura Alvarez Secretary of Sports: Candida Blanco Secretary of Feminine Affairs: Miriam Tifet Treasurer: Felicia Lacayo Legal and Human Rights Department: Norman A. Jimenez Address: Bo. Potreritos, Avenida Júnior, ˝ cuadra debajo de Escuela Copan Galel La Ceiba Atlántida, Honduras, C.A. Phone No.: (504) 2443-3651 Fax No.: (504) 2443-4642 (504) 2440-2498 Email: odeco.hn @ gmail.com
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· OFRANEH: (Organización Fraternal Negra Hondureńa). Objectives: 1. Provide help to Garifuna Society. 2. Provide defense of Garifuna territory. 3. Defense of Garifuna's culture
Directive Board General Coordinator: Gregoria Flores Coordination Assistant: Miriam Miranda Act Coordinator: Ana Lucy Bengoechea Legal Affairs: Teófilo Lacayo
E-mail: ofraneh@laceiba.com Website: http://www.ofraneh.org/ofraneh/index.html Address: Bo. Independencia, esquina opuesta Escuela Luis Landa. La Ceiba, Atlántida, Honduras, C. A. Phone No. : (504)-443-2492
Garifunas are Black Native Americans that have always fought for there rights and defended themselves against 3 european countries for defence and regulation of there country, they also expanded there land rights with the acceptance of europeans moving them to the coast of many countries to thrive.
Garifunas are not African slaves, they are Black Caribs...
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: I remember that American Indians were shipped from Louisiana to Haiti, and others were shipped to Cuba, but I forget the sources.
As it turns out one source of that information was part of the text of the 1860 census of the United States.
Note: St. Domingo = Haiti and Dominican Republic
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(they always state places that are unconquered was because of non interest) , lack of precious metals and grasslands for cattle raising, but the Caribs did become interested because of its magnificent areas for fishing. 
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