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Benigno Bossi Portrait of a Woman Italy (1760) Engraving on Copper - Isolated Print, 123 x 90 mm. Parma, Biblioteca Parantina. The Image of the Black in Western Art Research Project and Photo Archive, W.E.B. Du Bois Institute for African and African...

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Abdullah, Chief of Said Pasha's Bodyguard" (1873) Carl Haag. Watercolor.

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aseantoo submitted: “Christofano dell'Altissimo Alchitrof, Emperor of Ethiopia Italy (1568) Oil on panel Uffizi Gallery

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skemono submitted to medievalpoc: Portrait de Louis Aniaba, prince d’Assinie (XVIIe-XVIIIe s.) Bibliothèque nationale de France [X]

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Narcisse, servant of the Duc d'Orléans" by Louis Caroggis Carmontelle (1770)

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Prospero Fontana The Adoration of the Magi Italy (c. 1548) Gemäldegalerie, Berlin

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A European noble man of medieval Venice, Italy. Anonymous Sculptor (Venice) Portrait Bust of a Man Italy (early 16th Century) Polychromed Bronze, 27.9 cm. (H) [Bust of a black man wearing a doublet, a soft cap with a tassle, and...

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bust of a black youth in livery, anonymous venetian artist, italy (c. 1740s) carved polychrome marble, The Victoria and Albert Museum

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Buste d'orientale", by Joseph Marie Le Guluche, 1896

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Anonymous Venetian Artist Bust of a Black Youth in Livery Italy (c. 1740s) Carved Polychrome Marble, 65.4 cm.

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Mauresque Noire “Black Moorish Woman,” Charles Cordier, 1856 - when others could not, he saw the beauty in dark skin waaaaay back when

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Moor ruler of Germany

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An early Victorian carved and painted figure of a Scotsman mid-19th century probably a tobacconist`s shop sign, the life size figure naturalistic carved, the base with thistles and raised on a square plinth, now with a removable dished circular tray 192cm. high; 6ft. 3½in.

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Alessandro Longhi Portrait of a Young Black Man Italy (c. 1760s) Oil on Canvas, 75 x 65 cm. The Image of the Black in Western Art Research Project and Photo Archive, W.E.B. Du Bois

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Saint Maurice Germany (1490) Polychrome and Gilded Wood

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Exceptional Venetian Blackamoor in Marble, c.18th century from antiquingwithpamela on Ruby Lane-28,000$

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Bust, You are viewing a superb bronze bust depicting a young Venetian blackamoor boy. It’s a recasting of is a copy of a bronze created in 1907 by Anton van Wouw. The piece is called Shangaan.I hope the photos do this stunning piece some justice, it’s certainly more impressive in the flesh and would make a great addition to any home interiors scheme.

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Anonymous German Artist Saint Gregory Germany (c. 1520) Oil on Wood Panel, 102 x 47 cm. Köln, Katholische Pfarrkirche St. Gereon. (painted wing of a lost altarpiece)

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Germany (1524) Anonymous, School of Lucas Cranach I - Pfirtscher Altar, Left Wing: Saint Maurice Oil on Wood, left wing, 93 x 41 cm. München, Bayerische Staatsgemäldesammlungen.

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The African Knight Saint Maurice: 16th century German painting showing a black African in European Armour that served as a model for the painting of Saint Maurice.

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eremoniele Moor, 1724, One of the finest examples of a blackamoor in the arts is the Mohr mit Smaragdstufe ("Moor with Emerald Cluster"), in the collection of the Grünes Gewölbe in Dresden, Germany. It was created by Balthasar Permoser in 1724. The statue is richly decorated with jewels and is 63.8 cm (2.09 ft) high.

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Moorish Rite

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Continental Marble, Shell Inlaid, Gilt and Paint-Decorated Blackamoor.

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João António Correia: O negro, 1869. Museu Nacional de Soares dos Reis

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Bust of Said Abdullah of the Darfour People / 1848 /Charles Henri Joseph Cordier or old Russian

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Arab and Berber (Moor) Portraits

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Moorish statue,before there were Europeans in Europe there were black people,which were known as moors

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The Moors (rulers of Europe) and their Legacy

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medievalpoc:Anonymous Portuguese Artist Reliquary Bust of Saint Benedict of Palermo Portugal (c.1750s) Polychrome Wood, 48 cm. Lisbõa, Igreja da Madre de Deus. Côro-alto. The Image of the Black in Western Art Research Project and Photo Archive, W.E.B. Du Bois Institute for African and African American Research, Harvard University

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Ancient Moor

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Anonymous Italian Artist :: "Black Woman with Drape " Italian Polychrome Marble, 80cm, (c. 1640s) Milano, Museo Poldi Pezzoli.

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Germany (c. 1460) Anonymous German artist - Reliquary Bust of Saint Maurice. Polychrome and Gilded Wood Brühl, Katholische Pfarrkirche St. Margaretha.

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Unknown Venetian Artist Presepio Figure (Black Magus, Christmas Creche) Italy (c. 1790) Painted terracotta, glass, textile with metallic thread, sequins; 28 x 9.5 x 6 cm. The Walters Art Museum

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I like Afrocentric history because there is always a new knowledge to learn and a new artifact to discover.

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medievalpoc: “ Jean-Baptiste Pigalle Paul France (1760) Terracotta Portrait Bust, 61 cm. Read more about Paul, an enslaved man in Pre-Revolutionary France, here. ”

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Charles Cordier | Bust. Nègre en Costume Algérien or Nègre du Soudan, ca. 1857 | The Minneapolis Institute of Arts, Minneapolis, MN | Image of the Black in Western Art (Harvard University)

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Oil on canvas of a black gentleman in 18th century livery.

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Detail from Karel Van Mander III. Prince George of Denmark (1653-1708) son of Frederick III. Denmark, 1667. Black images in in Western Art (Harvard Uni)

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Haiti, known as the "jewel of the islands", was the first independent nation of Latin America and the Caribbean, the first black-led republic in the world, and the second republic in the Americas when it gained independence in 1804 as part of a successful slave revolution lasting nearly a decade. Our Heroes Toussaint Louverture and Jean Jacques Dessaline.

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Une autre vision sur Jean-Jacques Dessalines | Ezili Danto . Haiti news

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errit Dou Portrait of a Man Netherlands (1635) Oil on Wood, 22.5 x 18 cm. KØBENHAVN, Statens Museum for Kunst. The Image of the Black ...

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Jacob Cornelisz van Oostsanen De Profeet Amos (The Prophet Amos) Netherlands (c. 1525) Print on paper, 57mm × 122mm. Rijksmuseum.

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This Byzantine inspired example is heavy on the gold leaf like many other pieces are. The flat silhouettes are used to tell stories in deep blues, oranges, reds, and browns. This appears to be painted on fresco over wood? Some natural texture is coming through

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Russian Quadripartite icon: 1. Saint Nicholas the Wonderworker and Archbishop of Myra in Lycia [† c. 345]. 2. Christ Pantocrator. 3. Holy Victory-bearer and Wonderworker George [† 303] slaying the Dragon. 4. Holy Great-martyr Paraskeva of Iconium [3rd C]. Age: XVIII Century

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Portrait of a Moor by Karel van Mander III. Circa 1640’s.

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Unknown Artist National Palace Sintra, Portugal (c. 11th century)

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Etruria: The Black Etruscans, The Black Phoenicians, The Latins, The Romans

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quote:
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Moorish statue,before there were Europeans in Europe there were black people,which were known as moors

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Eugene Joseph Verboeckhoven (Belgian, 1798-1881) "Portrait of an Oriental Man" Oil on canvas, 2

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Portrait of a Black Officer by Emile-Jean-Horace Vernet (1830s) private collection. The subject of this painting may be Alexandre Dumas' father, his inspiration for the semi-biographical Count of Monte Cristo.


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King Richard II, son of Edward The Black Prince.

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The first real-life portrait of an English King Richard II, facing the West door in Westminster Abbey in London.

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The gallery where this was sold only says: “A Mulatto Gentleman, French Empire circa 1800 by Fabre.” The cut of his coat, with the heavy notched collar, means it probably wasn't much later than 1810. via MedievalPOC tumbler, which you would probably enjoy browsing

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Woman in a Blue Turban" (c. 1827) Ferdinand Victor Eugène Delacroix. Oil on canvas. Dallas Museum of Art, Texas, USA.

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Francis Williams the Jamaican Mathematician and Poet, English c.1745

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Creole in a Red Turban, ca. 1840, oil on canvas by Jacques Guillaume Lucien Amans; The Historic New Orleans Collection,

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Anne-Louis Girodet de Roussy-Trioson, also given as Anne-Louis Girodet-Trioson or Girodet-Trioson (1767 – 1824), was a French painter. ~ "Portrait of Jean-Baptiste Belley"

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Oil on canvas, previously attributed to Johann Zoffany, 1779 Dido Elizabeth Belle is depicted here with her cousin Elizabeth Murray. This painting scandalised many of it’s 18th century audience due to its portrayal of Belle, a woman of colour, in a non-subservient position. Considered to be one of the first paintings to do so, it was probably commissioned by Belle’s father Admiral Sir John Lindsay in the late 1770’s.

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One of the first paintings of a Muslim in Britain. The portrait of Ayuba Suleiman Diallo (1701-1773), aka Job Ben Solomon by William Hoare of Bath was painted in 1733. The Qatar Museums Authority purchased the painting at Christie’s in Nov 2009. The painting was the subject of export restriction, having been judged to be of outstanding importance to the history and culture of Britain. It has been offered to the National Portrait Gallery on a loan agreement.

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King Lebna Dengel of Abyssinia (Ethiopia). Contemporary portrait of Lebna Dengel by Cristofano Dell'Altissimo. Circa 1532. The beginning of the end of the Solomonic empire of Ethiopia came under Lebna Dengel.

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Anonymous Artist (Devon); formerly att. Sir Joshua Reynolds Joe Green, Footman to the Quicke family of Newton St. Cyres England (1760s) discovered via research of Lucy MacKeith


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Moorish King ~ Painting showing the ruler of the Hafsid Dynasty King Mulay Ahmad. By Daniel Marques (cool-art) Taken on: April 3, 2010

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Oil painting of a Moorish Man with a headdress.

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Abd el-Ouahed ben Messaoud ben Mohammed Anoun (b.1558), Moorish Ambassador to Queen Elizabeth I

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Louis Benoît ZAMOR par Marie Victoire Lemoine, 1785 D'origine Indienne (né au Bengale ?), page de Madame du Barry

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Simon Willem Maris Portrait of a Young Black Woman Netherlands (1890s) 44 x 29 cm. Rijksmuseum, Amsterdam

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Dido Elizabeth Belle (1761-1804) daughter of Admiral Sir John Lindsay and an enslaved African woman known as Maria Belle. She was raised in England. Similar style portrait, though not American.

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Alphonse de Labroue [ French 1792-1863 ] AN AFRICAN NOBLE

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Hans BERG (1813-1874) Le jeune ottoman.

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Portrait of Mentor, half-length, seen from the front, his gaze directed into the distance at left; in military dress; composition set in an .

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Portrait de Jeune Noir avec Arc (portrait of a young African man with a bow) – by Hyacinthe Rigaud – c.1700.

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Portrait of the tambourinist John Fraser of the Coldstream Guards, c.1790 (Pharyah) Read about the Tambourine on

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Oil on canvas of a black gentleman in 18th century livery.

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William Matthew Prior (American artist, 1806-1873) Mrs. Nancy Lawson, wife of a Boston clothing merchant. 1843 (Prior-Hamblin School)

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IMAGE OF A BLACKAMOOR IN 19TH CENTURY ITALIAN ART

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Flemish/German. 1530-40. Portrait of a Wealthy African. Private Collection, Antwerp. or Sephardic Jewish merchant or banker

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Anton Domenico Gabbiani Portrait of Three... - People of Color in European Art History

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Additional Art of Medieval and Renaissance era Blacks in Europe

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A Moorish military musician in Berlin by Peter Schenk (c. 1690)

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Very Rare image of Henry II (972-1024) King of Italy and Germany also Holy Roman Emperor during the time of the Ottonian Dynasty. From the Sacramentary of Henry II (1002 -1014).

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Germany Switzerland: "Schwertbrunnen" (Sword Fountain). In 1535 the wooden fountain was replaced by one of stone. Column is from 1520. It is named after Moor Kaspar (youngest of Three Holy Kings...

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Don Antonio Manuele de Funta, Ambassador of the King of the Kongo to the Pope." Baltimore Museum of Art. Rafaello Schiamiossi . Code name for Black Italian nobility because the Kongo and Lingala language is connected to Latin.

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Queen Sophia Charlotte was queen consort of the United Kingdom and wife to King George III of Britain. She is a direct descendant of the Sousa family, a black branch of the Portuguese Royal House. Her appearance was black, with full lips and distinct facial features. Artists of the 18th century were asked to tone down “extreme” features of their subjects, but Sir Allan Ramsay, an anti-slavery artist, always painted Queen Charlotte in her actual appearance.

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Belgium, Germany. The origins of every civilization is from people of color as proven, yet again, from this ancient statue.

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Engraving of Henry Stewart or Stuart, 1st Duke of Albany (7 December 1545 – 10 February 1567), styled Lord Darnley before 1565, was king consort of Scotland. He was a first cousin to and the second husband of Mary, Queen of Scots, and was the father of her son James VI of Scotland, who succeeded Elizabeth I of England as King James I of England.

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The Princess Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (1744-1818). She was a daughter of The Duke Carl and his wife, The Princess Elizabeth of Saxe-Hildburghausen. She was Queen of Great Britain (1761-1800) of the United Kingdom (1800-1818) of Hanover (1814-1818) as the wife of King George III. Her surviving children were Kings George IV, William IV, and Ernst August I, The Princes Frederick, Edward, Augustus, Adolphus, and The Princesses Charlotte, Augusta, Elizabeth, Mary, Sophia, & Amelia.

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Mozart was a Moor! This is what Mozart actually looks like. The image was found in a radio station in Belgium. The Moors (so-called 'Black' people) brought Classical Music to Europe. Not only that but when you read the REAL bios of him, he’s described as having brown skin, “negroid features” (broad, wide nose, etc) and wiry hair.

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Portrait of John Moore, Jr.

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Painting of Henri Christophe, First King of the Republic of Haiti (b. October 8, 1767 – d. October 8, 1820).

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Alessandro de' Medici (1510-1537) ruled Florence as its first Duke. The illegitimate son of Cardinal Giulio de' Medici and an African slave, he was called il Moro, the Moor. Alessandro had two children Giulio and Giulia with his mistress Taddea Malespina and through them the majority of the Italian noble houses are descended. There are many portraits of the Duke including Cristofano dell'Altissimo's (1525–1605) painting from the Giovio Series.

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Ozias Humphry, 'Baron Nagell’s Running Footman' c.1795

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Anonymous German Illuminator Drawing of a Reliquary for the Abbey of Halle-Saint Maurice Germany (1525) Illumination on Parchment (full page), 350 x 250 mm. Aschaffenburg, Hofbibliothek. The Image of the Black in Western Art Research Project and Photo Archive, W.E.B. Du Bois Institute for African and African American Research, Harvard University

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“Unknown student of the Seminary of Painters The Western Kings on Horseback / 泰西王侯騎馬図屏風: King of Abyssinia Japan (1600s) Suntory Museum of Art, Tokyo [Source] Another incredible Japanese Christian painting from the Jesuit Seminary... or Roman Pope dress in pink.

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Now that is interesting stuff.

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Great stuff Mena7... keep it coming..

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Mena7,

ROTFLMBO, Some of those people weren't even Black. No such thing as a Black European, just as there is no such thing as a White African or Asian. Go find your own history in Africa and stop trying to steal others'.

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CelticWarrioress,

Spoken like a true Kentuckian...There are aboriginal populations of very dark complexion peoples in southern Asia, Australia, and various islands in the Pacific and Indian Oceans. There is also evidence that early Europeans and Americans had blatantly
African characteristics (Grimaldi, Luzia Woman, etc.). Ancient Egyptians usually acknowledged as African, just not "Black African" seems to be fine, yet when someone points out Europeans, just not "White Europeans" it doesn't apply anymore. This is hypocrisy.

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quote:
Originally posted by NabtaPlayaPlaya:
CelticWarrioress,

Spoken like a true Kentuckian...There are aboriginal populations of very dark complexion peoples in southern Asia, Australia, and various islands in the Pacific and Indian Oceans. There is also evidence that early Europeans and Americans had blatantly
African characteristics (Grimaldi, Luzia Woman, etc.). Ancient Egyptians usually acknowledged as African, just not "Black African" seems to be fine, yet when someone points out Europeans, just not "White Europeans" it doesn't apply anymore. This is hypocrisy.

That moron is nothing but a hypocrite. Surprised so many people read Celtic's posts. Complete waste of time.
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NabtaPlayaPlaya,

Black Supremacist,Whitey hater. How is saying there is no such thing as a Black European AND NO such thing as a White African or White Asian hypocritical? Its the truth,seems your Black supremacist butt just has a problem with Blacks being told they aren't European (they aren't) & can't have European history, & to get out but has no problem with Whites being told they aren't African, can't have any part of African history,& to get out. That's a hypocrite for you.


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Whitey hating Black supremacist, look at your own self, you are the epitome of hypocrite. You hate Whites, think Whites are inferior but yet you want to steal our history,our heritage, our homeland, harm our children. How's that for hypocrite mfer. You ignore because you have no response that wouldn't prove you as the Black supremacist White people hating pos you are.

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Konstantin Makovsky (Russian, 1839-1915) 'Moor'

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Marten van Mytens III Portrait of a Young Black Man in Eastern European Livery Vienna (c. 1750) oil on canvas Height: 190.5 cm (75 in)W...

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Graman Quacy, Entdecker der Quassia (1690 - 1780) was a healer, botanist of great renown throughout the Netherlands. One of his remedies was a bitter tea he used to treat infections by intestinal parasites, based on the plant Quassia amara which is named after him, as the discoverer of its medicinal properties. Quassia is still used in industrially produced medicines today. In contemporary accounts he was described as "one of the most extraordinary black men in Suriname, and perhaps the worl...

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Mena, Nice photos.

Photos are great in proving that high level blacks did exist in Europe as well as providing proof of European albino whitewashing of history.

In those times, it was common for people to maintain personal journals and memoirs of their lives which provided additional details of the intimate relations between them and European albinos, as well as other blacks of the time.
These personal records could then be used to establish what was the real social interactions of these historic figures and how much they actively participated in European domination of today's world.
Meaning, I wonder which of these were truly "Black-centric", socially neutral, or actively working towards the elevation of their own, versus those who would be considered traitors, working against their own.

As the old saying goes, "The hunting Dog, once the hunt is over, gets eaten".

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If blacks were indigenous to Europe what were the languages they spoke?
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Blacks are/were indigenous to every place. Just because those in Europe may not have been Bantu or Niger/Congo doesn't mean they were not black.

Everyone wants to restrict the word black to sub-Saharan Africans but over here at Egyptsearch black is not restricted to Africans.

Some of the languages they spoke are English, German, French, Swedish, Italian and any other European languages you can think of.

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quote:
Originally posted by A Habsburg Agenda:
Blacks are/were indigenous to every place. Just because those in Europe may not have been Bantu or Niger/Congo doesn't mean they were not black.

Everyone wants to restrict the word black to sub-Saharan Africans but over here at Egyptsearch black is not restricted to Africans.

Some of the languages they spoke are English, German, French, Swedish, Italian and any other European languages you can think of.

Those are indo European languages brought from the steppes.
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1578 attr. to Cornelis Ketel - Portrait of Edward Gill.

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Lorenzo de Medici, Duke of Urbino. Married to Madeleine de La Tour d'Auvergne. Brera Altarpiece, after 1472, oil.

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Alessandro de Medici

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Buste d'orientale", by Joseph Marie Le Guluche, 1896

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Stefan VI Rares of King of Moldova

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Prince Dimitri XVII c. Located at Spaso-Preobrazhensky Solovetsky Monastery

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Vladimir Sviatoslavich the Great c. 958 – 15 July 1015, was a prince of Novgorod, grand prince of Kiev, and ruler of Kievan Rus' from 980 to 1015. According to the Primary Chronicle, he founded the city of Belgorod in 991. In 992 he went on a campaign against the Croats, most likely the White Croats that lived on the border of modern Ukraine. Vladimir continued to expand his territories capturing Polotsk and Smolensk and taking of Kiev in 978 where he was proclaimed knyaz of all Kievan Rus.

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Il Presepe Napoletano del '700: -Schede critiche 15 Reggia di Caserta.

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School of Francois de Troy (Toulouse) Portrait of A “Mulatto” Aristocrat in Armor - France (c. 1680-1730) Oil on Canvas, 82.5 x 64.5 cm.via Christies

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Clouet: Henry III of France,1571

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Anonymous Follower of Giotto (Neapolitan School) The Adoration of the Magi Italy (1343) Tempera and Ground Gold on Wood Overall, with engaged frame, 26 1/8 x 18 3/8 in. (66.4 x 46.7 cm); painted surface, including tooled border, 21 3/8 x 15 in. (54.3 x 38.1 cm).

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Portrait of Francois de Montmorency. By Corneille de Lyon, 1570-74.

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An Ottoman Zeibek (Bir Osmanlı Zeybeği)

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Unknown Gothic Master, sculptor Head of a Woman with Crown Hungary (c. 1360) Sandstone, height: 16 cm Hungarian National Gallery, Budapest

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John VI (Portuguese: Dom João VI; 13 May 1767 – 10 March 1826) was King of the United Kingdom of Portugal, Brazil and the Algarves from 1816 to 1822, and, although de facto the United Kingdom over which he ruled ceased to exist, he remained so de jure from 1822 to 1825; after the recognition of Brazilian independence under the 1825 Treaty of Rio de Janeiro, he continued as King of Portugal and the Algarves until his death in 1826. He also had become Titular Emperor of Brazil for life

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coin showing the 3 Brothers Thaler, 3 of the children of Christian I of Saxony (Dresden, 29 October 1560 – Dresden, 25 September 1591). He was Elector of Saxony from 1586 to 1591. His sons shown in the coin are Christian II (successor of his father as Elector), Johan Georg I (successor of his brother as Elector) and Augustus.

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Jan van Bijlert (1597/98-1671) Casper

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Louis Vigee

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Frederico Bartolini (Italian) Portrait Of An Arab Woman

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José Silbert (French, 1862-1936). Arab in a Red Headscarf, 1905

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Sibylla of Anjou (c. 1112–1165) was a countess consort of Flanders. She was the daughter of Fulk V of Anjou and Ermengarde of Maine, and wife of William Clito and Thierry, Count of Flanders.

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Portrait of a gentleman said to be Lorenzo Colonna - (after) Jacob Ferdinand Voet

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Ludolf de Jongh: Portrait of Jan Jansz. van Nes (1631-80), vice-admiral of Holland and West-Friesland (1666)

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MORONI, Giovanni Battista Portrait of a Soldier 1555-59

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Portrait of Cosimo I de Medici ~Agnolo Bronzino c. 1544 to 1545 Oil on panel 86 x 67 cm Art Gallery of New South Wales 78. 1996 , Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

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French king Louis XIV wanted to strengthen royal power and boost revenues from his overseas empire to New France. He sent out settlers and soldiers to North American, by the early 1700s, French forts, missions, and trading posts stretched from Quebec to Louisiana.

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Sir Francis Drake (1540-1596), a legendary explorer for Queen Elizabeth I and a bit of a pirate....ahem, privateer... gathering a fantastic amount of booty-the old fashioned kind-from the Spanish. He also circumnavigated the globe, third after Magellan and some guy I'd never heardof-García Jofre de Loaísa. See:

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Dido Elizabeth Belle (1761-1804) was the daughter of Admiral Sir John Lindsay and an enslaved African woman known as Maria Belle. Dido was recognised by her father and raised by his family in Scotland receiving the most complete education for a lady of her time.

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quote:
Originally posted by CelticWarrioress:
Mena7,

ROTFLMBO, Some of those people weren't even Black. No such thing as a Black European

Do you not see the images?
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Troll Patrol,

Yes I do and some of those people were not Black. Some were some were not. I stand by what I said, there is no such thing as a Black European the same as there is no such thing as a White African.

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quote:
Originally posted by CelticWarrioress:
Troll Patrol,

Yes I do and some of those people were not Black. Some were some were not. I stand by what I said, there is no such thing as a Black European the same as there is no such thing as a White African.

Some where, that is all wanted to hear, dear.
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Anglo-Saxon gold shilling, c. 660, Two Emperors type.

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Inventing the Penny: Charlemagne’s Lost Effort at a Standard Currency -- (English Penny from the twelfth century featuring King John.)

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Rare English Gold Sovereign of Queen Mary | Sovereigns are large, thin gold coins that feature imposing portraits of the respective monarch. The Mary I Gold Sovereign coin was issued under the authority of the first Queen Regnant of England, Mary Tudor (Mary I), daughter of Henry VIII. She was also the the grand-daughter of Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand of Spain.

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The Gold Ryal, also known as the Rose Noble, was an English gold coin first issued in 1464, during the "first reign" of Edward IV (1461-1470). From the 1430s onwards, the price of gold had been rising, with the result that the gold noble, which had been in use since 1344, was worth more on the continent than in England. The nobles were exported en masse to the continent for profit, resulting in a shortage of the coins.

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Mena:The evidence of European Middle Age coins show that many European Kings were Black people.Even the Visigoth King who suppose to be White German appeared as a Black man with breaded hair on the middle Age coins. I know now why historian call the Middle Age the Dark age, maybe it is not because of the backwardness after the fall of the Roman empire but because the European kings were Black men.


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English coins Silver Long-Cross Penny of King Henry III. (Class 5c) British and old English coins Silver Long-Cross Penny of King Henry III. Coins of the UK, Great Britain Coins, British coins, English Coinage, Long Cross Pennies.

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Ireland: Hiberno-Norse. Phase III (c.1035-60) Penny (obverse)

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Silver early penny, Series Q1g, c. 725-40, bearing facing bust. CM.1890-2007, De Wit Collection.

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Ireland: Hiberno-Norse. Phase II (c.1015-35) Penny in the Name ofSihtric Anlafsson (obverse)

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Silver early penny, Series Q, East Anglia, c. 720-40, lent by Lord Stewartby

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Henry VIII (1509-1547) - Silver Testoon | AMR Coins

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A pattern penny of Queen Elizabeth, dated 1601 ancient-coins

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Triens of Recared I, King of Visigoths in Spain, Verso. Visigothic coins, 6th century

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Gold triens of Recared I, King of Visigoths in Spain, Verso, Visigothic coins, 6th-7th century

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Signet ring Alaric II King of the Visigoths, circa 507

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Saint Démétrios 1st part of 11 th C

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Mena7,

Come off it. NONE of those people were Black. Stop trying to steal what is not yours to claim. White children have the right to know who they are, where they come from, who their ancestors were. They have a right to knowledge of self, a right to feel pride in their people. They have a right to know their history, their heritage, their identity. They have a right to their homeland. They have a right to look at ancient artifacts in Europe (paintings, statues,figurines,remains) and see themselves in those depictions. All things you and your Black racist Black supremacist ilk are trying to rob them of. You want them to walk lost in this world wondering who they are, where they come from. Not knowing their history, thinking they have none. Thinking they have no homeland nowhere they belong. You want them to look at all ancient artifacts even in Europe and think where's mine, where's my people's where do I fit in, feeling no pride. That's just wrong.

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Saint Demitrios, Byzantine Ivory Ikon, very rare design.

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12th C steatite with Paramerion

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12th C modified by crusader owner

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Nice find.
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Nice, thread.
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Thanks the real and Ish Gebor. Celtic Warrior dont be racist and egotistical, the Black European monarchs that ruled Europe were not only the Kings of Black people they were also the king of White people. The Black European monarchs in that thread were the kings and emperors of your White ancestors Celtic Warrior. Tell your children those ancient Black Kings are their kings and the White European kings and queens of today are the descenndants of the Black European kings and queens.The Black race is the mother and father of the White race so the Black monarchs are also your monarchs Celticwarrior.

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Black Pope, probably Pope Francis.


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Coin of Lorenzo De Medici

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Thank you.
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15th or 16th century terra-cotta bust, Lorenzo de' Medici

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Ive notice that the lioness and mena are polar opposites

The lioness limits black history to Sub-Saharan Africa and slavery
(black people have a history outside of these fields such as ancient Egypt and Moors)

Mena over-expands black history to include the whole world outside of Africa
(i get that there are black people outside of Africa but everyone's history is not black)

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